karen's children

[Guest guest]

Hello Peter,

OK so first child born 19/07/1981.(you typed 1991 but I suppose that was

typing error). This was when Sun transited Moon/Jupiter.

I'm convinced that a second child was conceived under influence of Mercury

and then born during Venus/Ketu. Ketu is slow moving and represents Jupiter

and Saturn so I suppose this would be in the last part of Ketu bukti from

01/01/1984 till 19/06/1984. The second half of march seems nice for Sun

transit; this would be either Jupiter/Jupiter or Jupiter/Saturn.

As to the sex of the child, I cannot tell because I have to know the day of

conception. According to the age of the mother and position of the Moon in

particular nakshatra, you get either male or female child. But as I'm unable

to guess the right TOB so I cannot guess the sex of the child.

As for the third child it can be conceived in Sun/Mars and born in Sun Rahu.

I think the 3th child was born first half of april 1986.

I'm sorry to say but I find the task rather difficult and I don't feel I

have enough knowledge to find out the right dates, but it's nice to try.

Thank you for reading all my attempts and let me know the right dates, then

I will try to mach the right sex of the children

Best regards

Margarita

[Guest guest]

Hi Margarita,

Sorry but you were a fair bit out with your next 2 estimates.

The second child was born in the Sun/Mars period on 26/7/1985

The third child was born in the Sun/Ju period on 29/3/1987

 

Let's see how you go with the sex of the last two.

 

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Hello Peter,

Well, I didn't expect to be right because the system gives "posibility" of childbirth. Now some people have babies like rabbits, others just plan the births of their children, so it becomes rather tricky.I find it nevertheless a good system for parents who want children and have problems having any, then you can see which period "can" bring conception or birth.As to the sex of the children we look at the position of the Moon and the age of the mother.(This list came with lesson 20) First child is born with Moon between 23 aquarius and 6 pisces, so conception took place when Moon was in the same nakshatra = P.BHADRA. Native being in her 21nd year, this gives female child. So something is wrong and child came early or late

Second child is born with Moon between 21 libra and 5 scorpio = probably VISHAKA. Mother was in het 25th year but this nakshatra can give male or female, so I don't know.

Third child was born with Moon between 6 and 20 pisces=U BADHRA or REVATI. The mother was in her 27th year so it should be a male child.

I don't know if this is correct because some children come early or late. I know there are also other methods to check the sex of the child, something to do with Jupiter's transit, but I don't know how that works.

Sun and Moon period produced no children, so this fits nicely.

Marriage and childbirth are really difficult to predict with this system because in our culture we decide so many things ourselves. As to my personal experience I find the 5th and 12th houses work very well for "relationship" and people wanting a child are often helped by knowing the period when a child can be conceived; then they are happy with whatever turns up, boy or girl.

 

Best regards

Margarita

 

 

Peter [petermay]Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:41 AMMargarita Lettens; Subject: Re: karen's childrenHi Margarita,Sorry but you were a fair bit out with your next 2 estimates.The second child was born in the Sun/Mars period on 26/7/1985The third child was born in the Sun/Ju period on 29/3/1987Let's see how you go with the sex of the last two.PeterNamaste

[Guest guest]

Dear Margarita,

For female chart you should refer 11th house alsp child birth.

Or you should refer 11th house mainly then 5th house.

When we consider 3rd house for mother so Lagna is 11th house

from 3rd. ( mother and child relation.) again 7th house for wife, so

5th is again 11th house from 7th.

thanks

krushna

 

, " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...>

wrote:

> Hello Peter,

> Well, I didn't expect to be right because the system

gives " posibility " of

> childbirth. Now some people have babies like rabbits, others just

plan the

> births of their children, so it becomes rather tricky.I find it

nevertheless

> a good system for parents who want children and have problems

having any,

> then you can see which period " can " bring conception or birth.As to

the sex

> of the children we look at the position of the Moon and the age of

the

> mother.(This list came with lesson 20) First child is born with

Moon between

> 23 aquarius and 6 pisces, so conception took place when Moon was in

the same

> nakshatra = P.BHADRA. Native being in her 21nd year, this gives

female

> child. So something is wrong and child came early or late

> Second child is born with Moon between 21 libra and 5 scorpio =

probably

> VISHAKA. Mother was in het 25th year but this nakshatra can give

male or

> female, so I don't know.

> Third child was born with Moon between 6 and 20 pisces=U BADHRA or

REVATI.

> The mother was in her 27th year so it should be a male child.

> I don't know if this is correct because some children come early or

late. I

> know there are also other methods to check the sex of the child,

something

> to do with Jupiter's transit, but I don't know how that works.

> Sun and Moon period produced no children, so this fits nicely.

> Marriage and childbirth are really difficult to predict with this

system

> because in our culture we decide so many things ourselves. As to my

personal

> experience I find the 5th and 12th houses work very well

for " relationship "

> and people wanting a child are often helped by knowing the period

when a

> child can be conceived; then they are happy with whatever turns up,

boy or

> girl.

>

> Best regards

> Margarita

>

>

> Peter [petermay@p...]

> Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:41 AM

> Margarita Lettens;

> Re: karen's children

>

>

> Hi Margarita,

> Sorry but you were a fair bit out with your next 2 estimates.

> The second child was born in the Sun/Mars period on 26/7/1985

> The third child was born in the Sun/Ju period on 29/3/1987

>

> Let's see how you go with the sex of the last two.

>

> Peter

> Namaste

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Margarita,

For the first child, we should consider points in 3,6,10,11

also, if these are in rising order then firtst child is femal, if

these are in zigzag manner more possibilty for male child. ( this is

mentioned in the lesson)

Here you can mark one thing, at the time of Conception the sun

was haing it's transit from Mars Constellation, and in the sign ruled

by Mercury or Venus( Saturn). Of course the date of Conception taken

from the date of birth, which may make some difference. but the

transit of Sun is for 13 days so it may be same.

The table given for the sex, is useful for planning, it may

not be helpful for judging the sex of the child.

For child birth the transit of the sun should be considered

for the day of conception.

Total preganancy period is 272.5, for a healthy mother, if

there is fever in this period, the period changes so the date of

delivery, so the constellation of Moon. hence it will be a mis guide

to find the date of conception. It is alright for study purpose,

considering all ideal conditions.

krushna

 

 

, " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...>

wrote:

> Hello Peter,

> Well, I didn't expect to be right because the system

gives " posibility " of

> childbirth. Now some people have babies like rabbits, others just

plan the

> births of their children, so it becomes rather tricky.I find it

nevertheless

> a good system for parents who want children and have problems

having any,

> then you can see which period " can " bring conception or birth.As to

the sex

> of the children we look at the position of the Moon and the age of

the

> mother.(This list came with lesson 20) First child is born with

Moon between

> 23 aquarius and 6 pisces, so conception took place when Moon was in

the same

> nakshatra = P.BHADRA. Native being in her 21nd year, this gives

female

> child. So something is wrong and child came early or late

> Second child is born with Moon between 21 libra and 5 scorpio =

probably

> VISHAKA. Mother was in het 25th year but this nakshatra can give

male or

> female, so I don't know.

> Third child was born with Moon between 6 and 20 pisces=U BADHRA or

REVATI.

> The mother was in her 27th year so it should be a male child.

> I don't know if this is correct because some children come early or

late. I

> know there are also other methods to check the sex of the child,

something

> to do with Jupiter's transit, but I don't know how that works.

> Sun and Moon period produced no children, so this fits nicely.

> Marriage and childbirth are really difficult to predict with this

system

> because in our culture we decide so many things ourselves. As to my

personal

> experience I find the 5th and 12th houses work very well

for " relationship "

> and people wanting a child are often helped by knowing the period

when a

> child can be conceived; then they are happy with whatever turns up,

boy or

> girl.

>

> Best regards

> Margarita

>

>

> Peter [petermay@p...]

> Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:41 AM

> Margarita Lettens;

> Re: karen's children

>

>

> Hi Margarita,

> Sorry but you were a fair bit out with your next 2 estimates.

> The second child was born in the Sun/Mars period on 26/7/1985

> The third child was born in the Sun/Ju period on 29/3/1987

>

> Let's see how you go with the sex of the last two.

>

> Peter

> Namaste

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much Krushna for your comments. I feel it's all very complicated especially when people chose themselves when to have children.There is one point nevertheless that I find very strange. I have the impression that children should belong to the 5th house in the female chart because women are much more involved with their children then men. By looking at the 11th house (for female)we in fact look at the "children of the spouse".

I understand you reasoning. If I look at my 9th house(my father) I myself become the 1st and thus am the child of my father, but if I count from my 3th house (my mother) then I become the 7th house ??? , this cannot be; I can only be the child of my father. So in India children are always seen as "offspring" of men !!! I think I will spent my energies on other topics although I think the system works very well to see when children can be conceived for couples who have problems.

Best regards

Margarita

-Original Message-----krushanain [krushanain]Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:34 PM Subject: Re: karen's children

Dear Margarita, For female chart you should refer 11th house alsp child birth. Or you should refer 11th house mainly then 5th house. When we consider 3rd house for mother so Lagna is 11th house from 3rd. ( mother and child relation.) again 7th house for wife, so 5th is again 11th house from 7th. thanks krushna , "dmlettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> Hello Peter,> Well, I didn't expect to be right because the system gives "posibility" of> childbirth. Now some people have babies like rabbits, others just plan the> births of their children, so it becomes rather tricky.I find it nevertheless> a good system for parents who want children and have problems having any,> then you can see which period "can" bring conception or birth.As to the sex> of the children we look at the position of the Moon and the age of the> mother.(This list came with lesson 20) First child is born with Moon between> 23 aquarius and 6 pisces, so conception took place when Moon was in the same> nakshatra = P.BHADRA. Native being in her 21nd year, this gives female> child. So something is wrong and child came early or late> Second child is born with Moon between 21 libra and 5 scorpio = probably> VISHAKA. Mother was in het 25th year but this nakshatra can give male or> female, so I don't know.> Third child was born with Moon between 6 and 20 pisces=U BADHRA or REVATI.> The mother was in her 27th year so it should be a male child.> I don't know if this is correct because some children come early or late. I> know there are also other methods to check the sex of the child, something> to do with Jupiter's transit, but I don't know how that works.> Sun and Moon period produced no children, so this fits nicely.> Marriage and childbirth are really difficult to predict with this system> because in our culture we decide so many things ourselves. As to my personal> experience I find the 5th and 12th houses work very well for "relationship"> and people wanting a child are often helped by knowing the period when a> child can be conceived; then they are happy with whatever turns up, boy or> girl.> > Best regards> Margarita> > > Peter [petermay@p...]> Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:41 AM> Margarita Lettens; > Re: karen's children> > > Hi Margarita,> Sorry but you were a fair bit out with your next 2 estimates.> The second child was born in the Sun/Mars period on 26/7/1985> The third child was born in the Sun/Ju period on 29/3/1987> > Let's see how you go with the sex of the last two.> > Peter> Namaste> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Margarita,

Yes I agree with you that it will be difficult to find sex of

the child.

My comments below in Capital....

 

krushna

, " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...>

wrote:

> Thank you very much Krushna for your comments. I feel it's all very

> complicated especially when people chose themselves when to have

> children.There is one point nevertheless that I find very strange.

I have

> the impression that children should belong to the 5th house in the

female

> chart because women are much more involved with their children then

men. By

> looking at the 11th house (for female)we in fact look at

the " children of

> the spouse " .

> I understand you reasoning. If I look at my 9th house(my father) I

myself

> become the 1st and thus am the child of my father, but if I count

from my

> 3th house (my mother) then I become the 7th house ???IT SHOULD BE

11TH HOUSE NOT 7TH( FROM MOTHER'S HOUSE , 3RD THE LAGNA IS 11TH MEANS

SELF) , this cannot be; I

> can only be the child of my father. So in India children are

always seen as

> " offspring " of men !!! I think I will spent my energies on other

topics

> although I think the system works very well to see when children

can be

> conceived for couples who have problems.

> Best regards

> Margarita

> -Original Message-----

> krushanain@h... [krushanain@h...]

> Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:34 PM

>

> Re: karen's children

>

>

> Dear Margarita,

> For female chart you should refer 11th house alsp child

birth.

> Or you should refer 11th house mainly then 5th house.

> When we consider 3rd house for mother so Lagna is 11th

house

> from 3rd. ( mother and child relation.) again 7th house for wife,

so

> 5th is again 11th house from 7th.

> thanks

> krushna

>

> , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...>

> wrote:

> > Hello Peter,

> > Well, I didn't expect to be right because the system

> gives " posibility " of

> > childbirth. Now some people have babies like rabbits, others

just

> plan the

> > births of their children, so it becomes rather tricky.I find it

> nevertheless

> > a good system for parents who want children and have problems

> having any,

> > then you can see which period " can " bring conception or

birth.As to

> the sex

> > of the children we look at the position of the Moon and the age

of

> the

> > mother.(This list came with lesson 20) First child is born with

> Moon between

> > 23 aquarius and 6 pisces, so conception took place when Moon

was in

> the same

> > nakshatra = P.BHADRA. Native being in her 21nd year, this gives

> female

> > child. So something is wrong and child came early or late

> > Second child is born with Moon between 21 libra and 5 scorpio =

> probably

> > VISHAKA. Mother was in het 25th year but this nakshatra can give

> male or

> > female, so I don't know.

> > Third child was born with Moon between 6 and 20 pisces=U

BADHRA or

> REVATI.

> > The mother was in her 27th year so it should be a male child.

> > I don't know if this is correct because some children come

early or

> late. I

> > know there are also other methods to check the sex of the child,

> something

> > to do with Jupiter's transit, but I don't know how that works.

> > Sun and Moon period produced no children, so this fits nicely.

> > Marriage and childbirth are really difficult to predict with

this

> system

> > because in our culture we decide so many things ourselves. As

to my

> personal

> > experience I find the 5th and 12th houses work very well

> for " relationship "

> > and people wanting a child are often helped by knowing the

period

> when a

> > child can be conceived; then they are happy with whatever turns

up,

> boy or

> > girl.

> >

> > Best regards

> > Margarita

> >

> >

> > Peter [petermay@p...]

> > Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:41 AM

> > Margarita Lettens;

> > Re: karen's children

> >

> >

> > Hi Margarita,

> > Sorry but you were a fair bit out with your next 2 estimates.

> > The second child was born in the Sun/Mars period on 26/7/1985

> > The third child was born in the Sun/Ju period on 29/3/1987

> >

> > Let's see how you go with the sex of the last two.

> >

> > Peter

> > Namaste

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Margarita,

The children were in fact 3 boys. There was however a girl who was miscarried between the 1st and second child.

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Respected Krushna,

I am not quite clear on the meaning of your letter saying you should also

consider the 1th house re children. Do you mean literally the 11th house

from lagna or are you refering to the part later in the letter when you say

3rd house for mother so Lagna is 11th from 3rd. And when you consider 7th

house for wife then 5th house is 11th from 7th.

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Respected Peterji,

When we consider female chart for child birth, we should

refer 11th house. I think Karen is Female, So I have sujjested

Margarita to check for child birth from 11th house.

For mother we say 3rd house, in any chart. from 3rd house

the native is 11th house, means Lagna. If we consider the male chart

then 7th house is his wife, and 5th house is child, again 5th is 11th

from 7th, there for for female chart we should consider 11th house

for child birth.

In Vedic astrology all the results given are for male

charts. Now a days we have to predict from female chart, so from

female chart regarding child birth we should consider 11th house.

That is only the difference in male and female chart, and

only this canbe a check to find the sex of the chart,( if we know the

child birth.) In Karen's chart, 11th house well syncronize with the

events about chid birth, So I think it is female chart.

krushna

 

 

, " Peter " <petermay@p...> wrote:

> Respected Krushna,

> I am not quite clear on the meaning of your letter saying you

should also

> consider the 1th house re children. Do you mean literally the 11th

house

> from lagna or are you refering to the part later in the letter when

you say

> 3rd house for mother so Lagna is 11th from 3rd. And when you

consider 7th

> house for wife then 5th house is 11th from 7th.

> Peter

> Namaste

[Guest guest]

Well, thank you Peter, As Krushna said, it's rather difficult to know the sex of the child because many factors are involved. I think in India this table is used for "programming" a child. As in these countries boys are more welcome (generally speaking), or at least they want some boys in the family if only they get girls, then I think you can plan the conception in the right period . I don't think this applies in western culture where people just never think about the right conception time although (in my opinion) chosing the right time to conceive would perhaps, in the long run, create a better world ???!!!

Thank you for your patience, even if most things turned out wrong, it was a good exercice to squeeze my brain in the right patterns to master this system.

Best regards

Margarita

 

Peter [petermay]Saturday, December 01, 2001 5:40 AM Subject: Re: karen's children

Dear Margarita,

The children were in fact 3 boys. There was however a girl who was miscarried between the 1st and second child.

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Hi Margarita,

It wasn't a one way street Margarita as I also learned quite a lot from following your reasoning. Also of course we both learned quite a lot from the comments made by Krushna throughout the exercise.

Peter

Namaste