Guest guest Posted December 30, 2001 Report Share Posted December 30, 2001 Dear Krushna and Margarita, There is something basic I do not understand. Is the Ist house giving the results of the 6th house? OR Is the 6th house giving the results of the Ist house? In lesson 5 page 25, I read: " The marriages were performed in the antardasha of the lord of the 4th and the 12th house, even if there was no involvment with the seventh house or its lord at all " . So, I imagine the 12th house is giving the effects of the 7th house. The 12th house is the 6th from the 7th house. And the 4th house is the 10th from the 7th. In lesson 5 page 30, I read: " Twelfth house: from the 12th house and its Upachaya houses, any matters revolving around children can be properly assessed. " Nothing about mariages! The 5th house is the 6th from the 5th! If we take in account the main upachayas, it is inconsistent. In the first case, the results come from the 6th house from the radical house. In the second case, the radical house gives the results of the 6th house from itself. Thank you for your lights. Denis -- Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mes sites : www.denislaboure.fr.st www.astrocours.fr.st > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2001 Report Share Posted December 30, 2001 Dear Denis, I think there is some confusion. I try to answer in capital letters in your message -----Original Message----- DENIS LABOURE [Laboure] Sunday, December 30, 2001 6:17 PM To: Subject: Upachayas houses Dear Krushna and Margarita, There is something basic I do not understand. Is the Ist house giving the results of the 6th house? OR Is the 6th house giving the results of the Ist house? 6th HOUSE IS HOUSE E FOR FIRST HOUSE, SO 6th HOUSE GIVES RESULTS FOR THE FIRST. YOU KNOW THAT LORDS OF D AND E ARE EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS FOR HOUSE B In lesson 5 page 25, I read: " The marriages were performed in the antardasha of the lord of the 4th and the 12th house, even if there was no involvment with the seventh house or its lord at all " . So, I imagine the 12th house is giving the effects of the 7th house. The 12th house is the 6th from the 7th house. And the 4th house is the 10th from the 7th. SAME THING HERE. CONSIDERING THE 7th AS B, LORDS OF 4th AND 12th ARE LORDS OF D AND E AND WILL TRY TO GIVE RESULTS FOR THE 7th AS B In lesson 5 page 30, I read: " Twelfth house: from the 12th house and its Upachaya houses, any matters revolving around children can be properly assessed. " Nothing about mariages! The 5th house is the 6th from the 5th! THE 12th IS HOUSE A FOR THE 5th. WE KNOW THAT LORD A IS THE KARAKA OR SIGNIFICATOR AND IS IMPORTANT FOR RESULTS HAPPENING IN B=5th. THIS LORD HAS TO BE STRONG TO GIVE RESULTS FOR THE 5th. If we take in account the main upachayas, it is inconsistent. In the first case, the results come from the 6th house from the radical house. In the second case, the radical house gives the results of the 6th house from itself. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RADICAL HOUSES PERHAPS YOU CAN DOWNLOAD AND PRINT THE 12 PAGES WERE FOR EACH ASENDENT AND THE TWELVE HOUSES YOU SEE IMMEDIATELY WHICH ARE HOUSES A,B,C,D AND E IN DIFFERENT COLORS. SO IT’S EASY TO SPOT WHICH HOUSE OR LORD WILL COME FORWARD TO GIVE RESULTS. THOSE SHEETS TOGETHER WITH THE WORKSHEET MAKE WORK QUICK AND EASIER. Thank you for your lights. YOU ARE WELCOME. BEST REGARDS MARGARITA Denis -- Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mes sites : www.denislaboure.fr.st www.astrocours.fr.st > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2001 Report Share Posted December 31, 2001 Dear Margarita, Thank you for your explanations. I have understood the source of the confusion. I considered the houses D and E were the secondary upachayas houses. May I ask another question? " Rahu and Kethu are samdharmi to the lord of the sign, and the lord of the constellation in which they are situated " . In my chart, Rahu is in Scorpio, in conjunction with Saturn. So, Rahu may give the results of: * the planet it is conjunct to * the lord of the sign * the lord of the constellation * the planets may work by themselves So, how may we choose the right subperiod? Does it exist a hierarchy? Krishnamurti should have prefered the lord of the nakshatra... Thanks a lot Denis > In lesson 5 page 25, I read: > " The marriages were performed in the antardasha of the lord of the 4th and > the 12th house, even if there was no involvment with the seventh house or > its lord at all " . So, I imagine the 12th house is giving the effects of the > 7th house. The 12th house is the 6th from the 7th house. And the 4th house > is the 10th from the 7th. > SAME THING HERE. CONSIDERING THE 7th AS B, LORDS OF 4th AND 12th ARE LORDS > OF D AND E AND WILL TRY TO GIVE RESULTS FOR THE 7th AS B > > In lesson 5 page 30, I read: > " Twelfth house: from the 12th house and its Upachaya houses, any matters > revolving around children can be properly assessed. " Nothing about mariages! > The 5th house is the 6th from the 5th! > THE 12th IS HOUSE A FOR THE 5th. WE KNOW THAT LORD A IS THE KARAKA OR > SIGNIFICATOR AND IS IMPORTANT FOR RESULTS HAPPENING IN B=5th. THIS LORD HAS > TO BE STRONG TO GIVE RESULTS FOR THE 5th. > If we take in account the main upachayas, it is inconsistent. In the first > case, the results come from the 6th house from the radical house. In the > second case, the radical house gives the results of the 6th house from > itself. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RADICAL HOUSES > PERHAPS YOU CAN DOWNLOAD AND PRINT THE 12 PAGES WERE FOR EACH ASENDENT AND > THE TWELVE HOUSES YOU SEE IMMEDIATELY WHICH ARE HOUSES A,B,C,D AND E IN > DIFFERENT COLORS. SO IT'S EASY TO SPOT WHICH HOUSE OR LORD WILL COME FORWARD > TO GIVE RESULTS. THOSE SHEETS TOGETHER WITH THE WORKSHEET MAKE WORK QUICK > AND EASIER. > Thank you for your lights. > YOU ARE WELCOME. BEST REGARDS MARGARITA > Denis > -- > Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les > cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons > d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mes sites : > www.denislaboure.fr.st > www.astrocours.fr.st > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 Hello Denis, I’ll try to answer your question in your message. -----Original Message----- DENIS LABOURE [Laboure] Monday, December 31, 2001 8:11 PM To: Re: Upachayas houses Dear Margarita, Thank you for your explanations. I have understood the source of the confusion. I considered the houses D and E were the secondary upachayas houses. May I ask another question? " Rahu and Kethu are samdharmi to the lord of the sign, and the lord of the constellation in which they are situated " . In my chart, Rahu is in Scorpio, in conjunction with Saturn. So, Rahu may give the results of: * the planet it is conjunct to YES * the lord of the sign YES * the lord of the constellation YES * the planets may work by themselves WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT ? So, how may we choose the right subperiod? Does it exist a hierarchy? Krishnamurti should have prefered the lord of the nakshatra... ALSO LOOK AT THE NAVAMSHA CHART AND TRY TO SEE HOW RAHU IS MORE OR LESS STRONG AS SAMDHARMI. KRUSHNA HAS MENTIONED DEGREES OF “SAMDHARMISHIP” IN A MAIL NOT SO LONG AGO BUT I DON’T FIND IT BACK JUST NOW. BUT FOR EXAMPLE IF YOUR RAHU IS IN SATURN NAKSHATRA AND IN SATURN NAVAMSA AND/OR IN SATURN’S SIGN IN NAVAMSA, OR CONJUNCT SATURN IN THIS CHART THEN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT WILL BE VERY EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS FOR SATURN. LOOK ALSO IN WHICH HOUSE RAHU FALLS FOR THE DIFFERENT HOUSES CONCERNED.I DON’T KNOW ABOUT KRISHNAMURTI’S PREFERENCES;I JUST THINK EVERY CASE IS DIFFERENT AND HAS TO BE EVALUATED INDEPENDENTLY BECAUSE SO MANY FACTORS ARE INVOLVED AND EVERY CHART IS UNIQUE. I THINK YOU COULD TRY TO MAKE A LIST AND SEE TO WHOM RAHU BECOMES STRONGEST SAMDHARMI ?? Thanks a lot WELCOME - MARGARITA Denis > In lesson 5 page 25, I read: > " The marriages were performed in the antardasha of the lord of the 4th and > the 12th house, even if there was no involvment with the seventh house or > its lord at all " . So, I imagine the 12th house is giving the effects of the > 7th house. The 12th house is the 6th from the 7th house. And the 4th house > is the 10th from the 7th. > SAME THING HERE. CONSIDERING THE 7th AS B, LORDS OF 4th AND 12th ARE LORDS > OF D AND E AND WILL TRY TO GIVE RESULTS FOR THE 7th AS B > > In lesson 5 page 30, I read: > " Twelfth house: from the 12th house and its Upachaya houses, any matters > revolving around children can be properly assessed. " Nothing about mariages! > The 5th house is the 6th from the 5th! > THE 12th IS HOUSE A FOR THE 5th. WE KNOW THAT LORD A IS THE KARAKA OR > SIGNIFICATOR AND IS IMPORTANT FOR RESULTS HAPPENING IN B=5th. THIS LORD HAS > TO BE STRONG TO GIVE RESULTS FOR THE 5th. > If we take in account the main upachayas, it is inconsistent. In the first > case, the results come from the 6th house from the radical house. In the > second case, the radical house gives the results of the 6th house from > itself. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RADICAL HOUSES > PERHAPS YOU CAN DOWNLOAD AND PRINT THE 12 PAGES WERE FOR EACH ASENDENT AND > THE TWELVE HOUSES YOU SEE IMMEDIATELY WHICH ARE HOUSES A,B,C,D AND E IN > DIFFERENT COLORS. SO IT'S EASY TO SPOT WHICH HOUSE OR LORD WILL COME FORWARD > TO GIVE RESULTS. THOSE SHEETS TOGETHER WITH THE WORKSHEET MAKE WORK QUICK > AND EASIER. > Thank you for your lights. > YOU ARE WELCOME. BEST REGARDS MARGARITA > Denis > -- > Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les > cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons > d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mes sites : > www.denislaboure.fr.st > www.astrocours.fr.st > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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