Guest guest Posted January 10, 2002 Report Share Posted January 10, 2002 Dear Krushna and Margarita, I have some troubles to understand the unity of the system. May I ask a naive question? In lesson 5, page 26, I read: " Then, by figuring out the 3rd, 6th, 10th and 11th houses from that starting point, I came to the conclusion that the planet that gets the highest bindus in these houses is the significator planet that gives the results in its antaradasha as it relates to the 1st house starting point. " In the worsheet, the three houses which give the basic strength points are: * 8th house from house B * the main significator house * the 10th house from house A (in fact, 5th house from B). So, are the houses in which the planet that gets the highest bindus is the significator: * the 3rd, 6th, 10th and 11th or * the 1st (main significator house) * the 8th * the 10th from the 8th Thanks a lot for your light! Denis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2002 Report Share Posted January 10, 2002 Dear Denis, I will try to explain it again. Follow the following steps 1)Ascertain the house as per the result is required. (every house denotes certain results)For Example for Marriage, Partnership 7th house. For Income 11th house. For service, job 6th house etc. It might have been given in some lesson, Or you can find out from any book on Basic astrology. 2) Denote this house as " B " . 3) Select 8th house from this house, call it as " A " . House A denotes the karkatva for house " B " . 4) So we should select Upchay houses from " A " . House A, and sixth and 10th house from A, are the main upchay house. 3rd house and 11th house from A are Secondary Upchay houses. Denote 3rd house as " D " and 11th house as " E " . Lord of these houses are eager to give the result of house " B " in their sub period. ( if we see we will find that E and D houses are the upchay houses from " B " . E is 6th from B and D is 10th from B,) 5) We find the total of the points as per sarvastak varga for the houses A.B,and C. This total we call as basic strength of the planet for house B. 6) 10th house is a important house in upchay houses. Malefic planets in 10th house becames strong. As per astakvarg we consider any planet with less then 4 points as malefic. So if planets in 10th house with less points are considered as strong. This theory we apply for interrelation of planets. If any planet, with less points, situated in the 10th house from a planet, becames powerful. Therefore the basic strength of the planet is added to the planet situated at 10th house from it. Condition is the planet in 10th house should have less then 4 points. 5) Similarly for the lords of D and E, to distingwish them from other planets, we add 5 points in their basic strength. 6) Similar treatment is given to the planets situated in D and E house with more then 4 points. ( Planet with more then 4 points in any house is treated as good tenant of that house, and help to give the result for the lord of that house, in it's absence.) 7)The effect of the sight of planets is considered. The basic theory is malefic planets gives benefic sight, and benefic planets have malefic sight. So the effect of sight of a planet on the houses is considered and effect is given. 8) In the same way effect of the sight on other planets is also given. 9) This way we get the final strength of the planets in numerical value for a perticular house. 10) Planets give the result for any house as per it's strength. Less then 12 points, are considered as malefic result, and more then 12 points are considered as benefic for any house. The benefic result of any house can be achived in the sub period of the planet having more then 12 points. 11) For finding the timing event, We must consider the status of the planet. such as 6th lord of the chart can not give benefic result. Similarly the lord of 12th house from house B can not give benefic result for house B. If any planet gives Zero points in sarvastak to any house, can not give benefic result. 12) lords of D and E, or the planets situated in house D and E with more points ( more then 4 in sarvastak) can give the results event if they are with less points compared to other planets ( but should have more then 12 points) I have tried to explain it, but I know I am unable to explain properly in English, so I would like to request Margarita to help in the matter. She can explain it in proper and simple way, easy to understand. krushna , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> wrote: > > Dear Krushna and Margarita, > > I have some troubles to understand the unity of the system. May I ask a > naive question? > > In lesson 5, page 26, I read: > " Then, by figuring out the 3rd, 6th, 10th and 11th houses from that starting > point, I came to the conclusion that the planet that gets the highest bindus > in these houses is the significator planet that gives the results in its > antaradasha as it relates to the 1st house starting point. " > > In the worsheet, the three houses which give the basic strength points are: > * 8th house from house B > * the main significator house > * the 10th house from house A (in fact, 5th house from B). > > So, are the houses in which the planet that gets the highest bindus is the > significator: > * the 3rd, 6th, 10th and 11th > or > * the 1st (main significator house) > * the 8th > * the 10th from the 8th > > Thanks a lot for your light! > > Denis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 -- Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mes sites : www.denislaboure.fr.st www.astrocours.fr.st - " krushanain " <krushanain Friday, January 11, 2002 7:26 AM Re: Upachayas houses > Dear Denis, > I will try to explain it again. > Follow the following steps > 1)Ascertain the house as per the result is required. (every > house denotes certain results)For Example for Marriage, Partnership > 7th house. For Income 11th house. For service, job 6th house etc. It > might have been given in some lesson, Or you can find out from any > book on Basic astrology. > 2) Denote this house as " B " . > 3) Select 8th house from this house, call it as " A " . House A > denotes the karkatva for house " B " . > 4) So we should select Upchay houses from " A " . House A, and > sixth and 10th house from A, are the main upchay house. 3rd house and > 11th house from A are Secondary Upchay houses. Denote 3rd house > as " D " and 11th house as " E " . Lord of these houses are eager to give > the result of house " B " in their sub period. ( if we see we will find > that E and D houses are the upchay houses from " B " . E is 6th from B > and D is 10th from B,) > 5) We find the total of the points as per sarvastak varga for > the houses A.B,and C. This total we call as basic strength of the > planet for house B. > 6) 10th house is a important house in upchay houses. Malefic > planets in 10th house becames strong. As per astakvarg we consider > any planet with less then 4 points as malefic. So if planets in 10th > house with less points are considered as strong. This theory we apply > for interrelation of planets. If any planet, with less points, > situated in the 10th house from a planet, becames powerful. Therefore > the basic strength of the planet is added to the planet situated at > 10th house from it. Condition is the planet in 10th house should have > less then 4 points. > 5) Similarly for the lords of D and E, to distingwish them > from other planets, we add 5 points in their basic strength. > 6) Similar treatment is given to the planets situated in D > and E house with more then 4 points. ( Planet with more then 4 points > in any house is treated as good tenant of that house, and help to > give the result for the lord of that house, in it's absence.) > 7)The effect of the sight of planets is considered. The basic > theory is malefic planets gives benefic sight, and benefic planets > have malefic sight. So the effect of sight of a planet on the houses > is considered and effect is given. > 8) In the same way effect of the sight on other planets is > also given. > 9) This way we get the final strength of the planets in > numerical value for a perticular house. > 10) Planets give the result for any house as per it's > strength. Less then 12 points, are considered as malefic result, and > more then 12 points are considered as benefic for any house. The > benefic result of any house can be achived in the sub period of the > planet having more then 12 points. > 11) For finding the timing event, We must consider the > status of the planet. such as 6th lord of the chart can not give > benefic result. Similarly the lord of 12th house from house B can not > give benefic result for house B. If any planet gives Zero points in > sarvastak to any house, can not give benefic result. > 12) lords of D and E, or the planets situated in house D and > E with more points ( more then 4 in sarvastak) can give the results > event if they are with less points compared to other planets ( but > should have more then 12 points) > I have tried to explain it, but I know I am unable to explain > properly in English, so I would like to request Margarita to help in > the matter. She can explain it in proper and simple way, easy to > understand. > krushna > > > > , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> > wrote: > > > > Dear Krushna and Margarita, > > > > I have some troubles to understand the unity of the system. May I > ask a > > naive question? > > > > In lesson 5, page 26, I read: > > " Then, by figuring out the 3rd, 6th, 10th and 11th houses from that > starting > > point, I came to the conclusion that the planet that gets the > highest bindus > > in these houses is the significator planet that gives the results > in its > > antaradasha as it relates to the 1st house starting point. " > > > > In the worsheet, the three houses which give the basic strength > points are: > > * 8th house from house B > > * the main significator house > > * the 10th house from house A (in fact, 5th house from B). > > > > So, are the houses in which the planet that gets the highest bindus > is the > > significator: > > * the 3rd, 6th, 10th and 11th > > or > > * the 1st (main significator house) > > * the 8th > > * the 10th from the 8th > > > > Thanks a lot for your light! > > > > Denis > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Dear Krushna, Thank you for your clear answer. I have some troubles to understand the rationale underlying these rules. So, the houses which give the results * are not the 6th and 10th houses from " the house as per the result is required " . * are the 6th and 10th houses from the 8th from " the house as per the result is required " . Why do we use a so indirect rule? (the 8th from the basic house)? I understand the 8th house from the basic rule gives the karaka (natural significator) of the matter. Is it enough to replace the basic house itself? Thanks a lot for your patience! Denis -- Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mes sites : www.denislaboure.fr.st www.astrocours.fr.st - " krushanain " <krushanain Friday, January 11, 2002 7:26 AM Re: Upachayas houses > Dear Denis, > I will try to explain it again. > Follow the following steps > 1)Ascertain the house as per the result is required. (every > house denotes certain results)For Example for Marriage, Partnership > 7th house. For Income 11th house. For service, job 6th house etc. It > might have been given in some lesson, Or you can find out from any > book on Basic astrology. > 2) Denote this house as " B " . > 3) Select 8th house from this house, call it as " A " . House A > denotes the karkatva for house " B " . > 4) So we should select Upchay houses from " A " . House A, and > sixth and 10th house from A, are the main upchay house. 3rd house and > 11th house from A are Secondary Upchay houses. Denote 3rd house > as " D " and 11th house as " E " . Lord of these houses are eager to give > the result of house " B " in their sub period. ( if we see we will find > that E and D houses are the upchay houses from " B " . E is 6th from B > and D is 10th from B,) > 5) We find the total of the points as per sarvastak varga for > the houses A.B,and C. This total we call as basic strength of the > planet for house B. > 6) 10th house is a important house in upchay houses. Malefic > planets in 10th house becames strong. As per astakvarg we consider > any planet with less then 4 points as malefic. So if planets in 10th > house with less points are considered as strong. This theory we apply > for interrelation of planets. If any planet, with less points, > situated in the 10th house from a planet, becames powerful. Therefore > the basic strength of the planet is added to the planet situated at > 10th house from it. Condition is the planet in 10th house should have > less then 4 points. > 5) Similarly for the lords of D and E, to distingwish them > from other planets, we add 5 points in their basic strength. > 6) Similar treatment is given to the planets situated in D > and E house with more then 4 points. ( Planet with more then 4 points > in any house is treated as good tenant of that house, and help to > give the result for the lord of that house, in it's absence.) > 7)The effect of the sight of planets is considered. The basic > theory is malefic planets gives benefic sight, and benefic planets > have malefic sight. So the effect of sight of a planet on the houses > is considered and effect is given. > 8) In the same way effect of the sight on other planets is > also given. > 9) This way we get the final strength of the planets in > numerical value for a perticular house. > 10) Planets give the result for any house as per it's > strength. Less then 12 points, are considered as malefic result, and > more then 12 points are considered as benefic for any house. The > benefic result of any house can be achived in the sub period of the > planet having more then 12 points. > 11) For finding the timing event, We must consider the > status of the planet. such as 6th lord of the chart can not give > benefic result. Similarly the lord of 12th house from house B can not > give benefic result for house B. If any planet gives Zero points in > sarvastak to any house, can not give benefic result. > 12) lords of D and E, or the planets situated in house D and > E with more points ( more then 4 in sarvastak) can give the results > event if they are with less points compared to other planets ( but > should have more then 12 points) > I have tried to explain it, but I know I am unable to explain > properly in English, so I would like to request Margarita to help in > the matter. She can explain it in proper and simple way, easy to > understand. > krushna > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Hello, I think the explanation is very clear but if Denis still has some problems he’s welcome to ask. Best regards Margarita -----Original Message----- krushanain [krushanain] Friday, January 11, 2002 7:27 AM To: Subject: Re: Upachayas houses Dear Denis, I will try to explain it again. Follow the following steps 1)Ascertain the house as per the result is required. (every house denotes certain results)For Example for Marriage, Partnership 7th house. For Income 11th house. For service, job 6th house etc. It might have been given in some lesson, Or you can find out from any book on Basic astrology. 2) Denote this house as " B " . 3) Select 8th house from this house, call it as " A " . House A denotes the karkatva for house " B " . 4) So we should select Upchay houses from " A " . House A, and sixth and 10th house from A, are the main upchay house. 3rd house and 11th house from A are Secondary Upchay houses. Denote 3rd house as " D " and 11th house as " E " . Lord of these houses are eager to give the result of house " B " in their sub period. ( if we see we will find that E and D houses are the upchay houses from " B " . E is 6th from B and D is 10th from B,) 5) We find the total of the points as per sarvastak varga for the houses A.B,and C. This total we call as basic strength of the planet for house B. 6) 10th house is a important house in upchay houses. Malefic planets in 10th house becames strong. As per astakvarg we consider any planet with less then 4 points as malefic. So if planets in 10th house with less points are considered as strong. This theory we apply for interrelation of planets. If any planet, with less points, situated in the 10th house from a planet, becames powerful. Therefore the basic strength of the planet is added to the planet situated at 10th house from it. Condition is the planet in 10th house should have less then 4 points. 5) Similarly for the lords of D and E, to distingwish them from other planets, we add 5 points in their basic strength. 6) Similar treatment is given to the planets situated in D and E house with more then 4 points. ( Planet with more then 4 points in any house is treated as good tenant of that house, and help to give the result for the lord of that house, in it's absence.) 7)The effect of the sight of planets is considered. The basic theory is malefic planets gives benefic sight, and benefic planets have malefic sight. So the effect of sight of a planet on the houses is considered and effect is given. 8) In the same way effect of the sight on other planets is also given. 9) This way we get the final strength of the planets in numerical value for a perticular house. 10) Planets give the result for any house as per it's strength. Less then 12 points, are considered as malefic result, and more then 12 points are considered as benefic for any house. The benefic result of any house can be achived in the sub period of the planet having more then 12 points. 11) For finding the timing event, We must consider the status of the planet. such as 6th lord of the chart can not give benefic result. Similarly the lord of 12th house from house B can not give benefic result for house B. If any planet gives Zero points in sarvastak to any house, can not give benefic result. 12) lords of D and E, or the planets situated in house D and E with more points ( more then 4 in sarvastak) can give the results event if they are with less points compared to other planets ( but should have more then 12 points) I have tried to explain it, but I know I am unable to explain properly in English, so I would like to request Margarita to help in the matter. She can explain it in proper and simple way, easy to understand. krushna , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> wrote: > > Dear Krushna and Margarita, > > I have some troubles to understand the unity of the system. May I ask a > naive question? > > In lesson 5, page 26, I read: > " Then, by figuring out the 3rd, 6th, 10th and 11th houses from that starting > point, I came to the conclusion that the planet that gets the highest bindus > in these houses is the significator planet that gives the results in its > antaradasha as it relates to the 1st house starting point. " > > In the worsheet, the three houses which give the basic strength points are: > * 8th house from house B > * the main significator house > * the 10th house from house A (in fact, 5th house from B). > > So, are the houses in which the planet that gets the highest bindus is the > significator: > * the 3rd, 6th, 10th and 11th > or > * the 1st (main significator house) > * the 8th > * the 10th from the 8th > > Thanks a lot for your light! > > Denis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Well Denis, I suppose with Krushna’smail everything is understood. If you still have problems I will try to explain but if you don’t apply the system regularly on every chart you study, it never can take root. If you try to focus on points and interrelationship of the houses, after some time, it suddenly becomes clear. Anyway, that’s how it worked for me ! Good luck ! Margarita -----Original Message----- DENIS LABOURE [Laboure] Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:01 PM To: Subject: Upachayas houses Dear Krushna and Margarita, I have some troubles to understand the unity of the system. May I ask a naive question? In lesson 5, page 26, I read: " Then, by figuring out the 3rd, 6th, 10th and 11th houses from that starting point, I came to the conclusion that the planet that gets the highest bindus in these houses is the significator planet that gives the results in its antaradasha as it relates to the 1st house starting point. " In the worsheet, the three houses which give the basic strength points are: * 8th house from house B * the main significator house * the 10th house from house A (in fact, 5th house from B). So, are the houses in which the planet that gets the highest bindus is the significator: * the 3rd, 6th, 10th and 11th or * the 1st (main significator house) * the 8th * the 10th from the 8th Thanks a lot for your light! Denis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Dear Dennis, Let me try to answer and Margarita, Krushnaji and other list members can correct me if my understanding is not clear about this. 8th house from a house under consideration is the Karaka of the house. You can check that and this is as per the texts. House A = 8th from the hosue under consideration. House B = House that is being examined House C = 5th from house B or 10th from house A House D = 6th house from B or 11th from House A House E = 10th from House B or 3rd from House A Now Significance of House under consideration that being house B and planets that shall be good or bad based on Vimsottari Dasa (Starting from Moon Sign) will depend on the above houses. Each planet contributes certain points for the house and have bindus ( planets < 4 points are malefic and > 4 points are benefic) for the house. Now planets also cast aspects and those are dealt with also as casting benefic or malefic aspects. Now to come to the total points as given int he Master Worksheet we are finding out the net effect after considering all the influences. This sets the stage then to find and do predictions based on Vimsottari dasa starting from moon. Lets take an example of Lagna i.e 1st House. We know that the 8th from the house under consideration determines it length. What are u examining from the 8th house from lagna ?. What you are examining is the effects of its Karaka or significator. in the terminology used here that would be house A. House B ofcourse is the house under consideration i.e. Lagna. House C now is 5th from Lagna or 10th from House A (8th). We do know that planets in the 5th house being in trines to Lagna has a telling say. If planets in the 5th house are inimical to the lagna then this can be hard on the health of the native or the first house affairs. House D is the 10th house from Lagna or the 3rd house from its karaka i.e house A or the 8th house. We also know that 10th house is the most powerful quadrant and an upachaya or house of growth. It is 3rd from the karaka i.e. 8th house and its the house of growth for the karaka and 10th from lagna hence its also the house of growth for the lagna so it works doubly and this could be one of the reasons for it being Eager to give results for the house again under consideration i.e. Lagna. House E is the 6th house. 6th house is 11th from its Karaka i.e. House A and obviously 6th from Lagna. The 6th house denotes status of the native apart from enemies and its a trik house, but its also an Upachaya house or the house of growth. If you understand the Dhimanta yoga you will see that if the 1st lord or lagna lord conjoins with the 6th lord or in the 6th house then we get a Dhimanta Yoga meaning that the native aspires for knowledge and is very intellegent etc (the exact definition you can get from astrology books). 11th house is the house of Gains and 11th from 8th house of house A significes Gains to the karaka for the lagna. So in this way what is happening in essence is that you are studying not only the Lagna but also its karaka and we do know and understand that you have to consider both the house and its karaka for predicting its final manifestation apart from the planets and their strengths to either do good or bad to a particular house under consideration, and once u know all that then you can predict the time of when good or bad effects will be felt with the aid of Vimsottari dasa. In Ashtakavarga you are not replacing the house, what in essence you are doing is finding out how the planets will effect the house under consideration. All planets help each other and the total of pluses and minuses on a house will actually show how a planet will act for the house. ***** Krushnaji can clarify this part ********************* House B (lagna) is the physical plane, House C (5th house) is the Mental Plane and House A (8th house) works on the Spiritual plane. (Krushnaji can clarify this). House D and E are eager to give results and how much would be answered by house C. ************************************************************ Navamsa has equal weightage to Rasi Chart and both should be examined before making predictions along with the divisional charts. I hope that this clarifies. Cheers !!! Ash , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> wrote: > Dear Krushna, > > Thank you for your clear answer. I have some troubles to understand the > rationale underlying these rules. > > So, the houses which give the results > * are not the 6th and 10th houses from " the house as per the result is > required " . > * are the 6th and 10th houses from the 8th from " the house as per the result > is required " . > > Why do we use a so indirect rule? (the 8th from the basic house)? I > understand the 8th house from the basic rule gives the karaka (natural > significator) of the matter. Is it enough to replace the basic house itself? > > Thanks a lot for your patience! > Denis > > -- > Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les > cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons > d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mes sites : > www.denislaboure.fr.st > www.astrocours.fr.st > - > " krushanain " <krushanain> > > Friday, January 11, 2002 7:26 AM > Re: Upachayas houses > > > > Dear Denis, > > I will try to explain it again. > > Follow the following steps > > 1)Ascertain the house as per the result is required. (every > > house denotes certain results)For Example for Marriage, Partnership > > 7th house. For Income 11th house. For service, job 6th house etc. It > > might have been given in some lesson, Or you can find out from any > > book on Basic astrology. > > 2) Denote this house as " B " . > > 3) Select 8th house from this house, call it as " A " . House A > > denotes the karkatva for house " B " . > > 4) So we should select Upchay houses from " A " . House A, and > > sixth and 10th house from A, are the main upchay house. 3rd house and > > 11th house from A are Secondary Upchay houses. Denote 3rd house > > as " D " and 11th house as " E " . Lord of these houses are eager to give > > the result of house " B " in their sub period. ( if we see we will find > > that E and D houses are the upchay houses from " B " . E is 6th from B > > and D is 10th from B,) > > 5) We find the total of the points as per sarvastak varga for > > the houses A.B,and C. This total we call as basic strength of the > > planet for house B. > > 6) 10th house is a important house in upchay houses. Malefic > > planets in 10th house becames strong. As per astakvarg we consider > > any planet with less then 4 points as malefic. So if planets in 10th > > house with less points are considered as strong. This theory we apply > > for interrelation of planets. If any planet, with less points, > > situated in the 10th house from a planet, becames powerful. Therefore > > the basic strength of the planet is added to the planet situated at > > 10th house from it. Condition is the planet in 10th house should have > > less then 4 points. > > 5) Similarly for the lords of D and E, to distingwish them > > from other planets, we add 5 points in their basic strength. > > 6) Similar treatment is given to the planets situated in D > > and E house with more then 4 points. ( Planet with more then 4 points > > in any house is treated as good tenant of that house, and help to > > give the result for the lord of that house, in it's absence.) > > 7)The effect of the sight of planets is considered. The basic > > theory is malefic planets gives benefic sight, and benefic planets > > have malefic sight. So the effect of sight of a planet on the houses > > is considered and effect is given. > > 8) In the same way effect of the sight on other planets is > > also given. > > 9) This way we get the final strength of the planets in > > numerical value for a perticular house. > > 10) Planets give the result for any house as per it's > > strength. Less then 12 points, are considered as malefic result, and > > more then 12 points are considered as benefic for any house. The > > benefic result of any house can be achived in the sub period of the > > planet having more then 12 points. > > 11) For finding the timing event, We must consider the > > status of the planet. such as 6th lord of the chart can not give > > benefic result. Similarly the lord of 12th house from house B can not > > give benefic result for house B. If any planet gives Zero points in > > sarvastak to any house, can not give benefic result. > > 12) lords of D and E, or the planets situated in house D and > > E with more points ( more then 4 in sarvastak) can give the results > > event if they are with less points compared to other planets ( but > > should have more then 12 points) > > I have tried to explain it, but I know I am unable to explain > > properly in English, so I would like to request Margarita to help in > > the matter. She can explain it in proper and simple way, easy to > > understand. > > krushna > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Dear Ash, Very nice explaination it means you have followed the system. Some typing mistake are there about house D and E, ( while considering in Example you have taken it correct.) Regarding Planes in next mail. krushna , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear Dennis, > > Let me try to answer and Margarita, Krushnaji and other list members > can correct me if my understanding is not clear about this. > > 8th house from a house under consideration is the Karaka of the house. > You can check that and this is as per the texts. > > House A = 8th from the hosue under consideration. > House B = House that is being examined > House C = 5th from house B or 10th from house A > House D = 6th house from B or 11th from House A > House E = 10th from House B or 3rd from House A > > Now Significance of House under consideration that being house B and > planets that shall be good or bad based on Vimsottari Dasa (Starting > from Moon Sign) will depend on the above houses. > > Each planet contributes certain points for the house and have bindus > ( planets < 4 points are malefic and > 4 points are benefic) for the > house. Now planets also cast aspects and those are dealt with also > as casting benefic or malefic aspects. > > Now to come to the total points as given int he Master Worksheet we > are finding out the net effect after considering all the influences. > > This sets the stage then to find and do predictions based on > Vimsottari dasa starting from moon. > > Lets take an example of Lagna i.e 1st House. > > We know that the 8th from the house under consideration determines it > length. What are u examining from the 8th house from lagna ?. What > you are examining is the effects of its Karaka or significator. in > the terminology used here that would be house A. > > House B ofcourse is the house under consideration i.e. Lagna. > > House C now is 5th from Lagna or 10th from House A (8th). We do know > that planets in the 5th house being in trines to Lagna has a telling > say. If planets in the 5th house are inimical to the lagna then this > can be hard on the health of the native or the first house affairs. > > House D is the 10th house from Lagna or the 3rd house from its karaka > i.e house A or the 8th house. > We also know that 10th house is the most powerful quadrant and an > upachaya or house of growth. It is 3rd from the karaka i.e. 8th > house and its the house of growth for the karaka and 10th from lagna > hence its also the house of growth for the lagna so it works doubly > and this could be one of the reasons for it being Eager to give > results for the house again under consideration i.e. Lagna. > > House E is the 6th house. 6th house is 11th from its Karaka i.e. > House A and obviously 6th from Lagna. The 6th house denotes status > of the native apart from enemies and its a trik house, but its also > an Upachaya house or the house of growth. If you understand the > Dhimanta yoga you will see that if the 1st lord or lagna lord > conjoins with the 6th lord or in the 6th house then we get a Dhimanta > Yoga meaning that the native aspires for knowledge and is very > intellegent etc (the exact definition you can get from astrology > books). 11th house is the house of Gains and 11th from 8th house of > house A significes Gains to the karaka for the lagna. > > So in this way what is happening in essence is that you are studying > not only the Lagna but also its karaka and we do know and understand > that you have to consider both the house and its karaka for > predicting its final manifestation apart from the planets and their > strengths to either do good or bad to a particular house under > consideration, and once u know all that then you can predict the time > of when good or bad effects will be felt with the aid of Vimsottari > dasa. > > In Ashtakavarga you are not replacing the house, what in essence you > are doing is finding out how the planets will effect the house under > consideration. All planets help each other and the total of pluses > and minuses on a house will actually show how a planet will act for > the house. > > ***** Krushnaji can clarify this part ********************* > House B (lagna) is the physical plane, House C (5th house) is the > Mental Plane and House A (8th house) works on the Spiritual plane. > (Krushnaji can clarify this). > > House D and E are eager to give results and how much would be > answered by house C. > > ************************************************************ > > Navamsa has equal weightage to Rasi Chart and both should be examined > before making predictions along with the divisional charts. > > I hope that this clarifies. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> > wrote: > > Dear Krushna, > > > > Thank you for your clear answer. I have some troubles to understand > the > > rationale underlying these rules. > > > > So, the houses which give the results > > * are not the 6th and 10th houses from " the house as per the result > is > > required " . > > * are the 6th and 10th houses from the 8th from " the house as per > the result > > is required " . > > > > Why do we use a so indirect rule? (the 8th from the basic house)? I > > understand the 8th house from the basic rule gives the karaka > (natural > > significator) of the matter. Is it enough to replace the basic > house itself? > > > > Thanks a lot for your patience! > > Denis > > > > -- > > Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et > les > > cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des > leçons > > d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mes sites : > > www.denislaboure.fr.st > > www.astrocours.fr.st > > - > > " krushanain " <krushanain> > > > > Friday, January 11, 2002 7:26 AM > > Re: Upachayas houses > > > > > > > Dear Denis, > > > I will try to explain it again. > > > Follow the following steps > > > 1)Ascertain the house as per the result is required. > (every > > > house denotes certain results)For Example for Marriage, > Partnership > > > 7th house. For Income 11th house. For service, job 6th house etc. > It > > > might have been given in some lesson, Or you can find out from any > > > book on Basic astrology. > > > 2) Denote this house as " B " . > > > 3) Select 8th house from this house, call it as " A " . > House A > > > denotes the karkatva for house " B " . > > > 4) So we should select Upchay houses from " A " . House A, > and > > > sixth and 10th house from A, are the main upchay house. 3rd house > and > > > 11th house from A are Secondary Upchay houses. Denote 3rd house > > > as " D " and 11th house as " E " . Lord of these houses are eager to > give > > > the result of house " B " in their sub period. ( if we see we will > find > > > that E and D houses are the upchay houses from " B " . E is 6th from > B > > > and D is 10th from B,) > > > 5) We find the total of the points as per sarvastak varga > for > > > the houses A.B,and C. This total we call as basic strength of the > > > planet for house B. > > > 6) 10th house is a important house in upchay houses. > Malefic > > > planets in 10th house becames strong. As per astakvarg we consider > > > any planet with less then 4 points as malefic. So if planets in > 10th > > > house with less points are considered as strong. This theory we > apply > > > for interrelation of planets. If any planet, with less points, > > > situated in the 10th house from a planet, becames powerful. > Therefore > > > the basic strength of the planet is added to the planet situated > at > > > 10th house from it. Condition is the planet in 10th house should > have > > > less then 4 points. > > > 5) Similarly for the lords of D and E, to distingwish them > > > from other planets, we add 5 points in their basic strength. > > > 6) Similar treatment is given to the planets situated in D > > > and E house with more then 4 points. ( Planet with more then 4 > points > > > in any house is treated as good tenant of that house, and help to > > > give the result for the lord of that house, in it's absence.) > > > 7)The effect of the sight of planets is considered. The > basic > > > theory is malefic planets gives benefic sight, and benefic planets > > > have malefic sight. So the effect of sight of a planet on the > houses > > > is considered and effect is given. > > > 8) In the same way effect of the sight on other planets is > > > also given. > > > 9) This way we get the final strength of the planets in > > > numerical value for a perticular house. > > > 10) Planets give the result for any house as per it's > > > strength. Less then 12 points, are considered as malefic result, > and > > > more then 12 points are considered as benefic for any house. The > > > benefic result of any house can be achived in the sub period of > the > > > planet having more then 12 points. > > > 11) For finding the timing event, We must consider the > > > status of the planet. such as 6th lord of the chart can not give > > > benefic result. Similarly the lord of 12th house from house B can > not > > > give benefic result for house B. If any planet gives Zero points > in > > > sarvastak to any house, can not give benefic result. > > > 12) lords of D and E, or the planets situated in house D > and > > > E with more points ( more then 4 in sarvastak) can give the > results > > > event if they are with less points compared to other planets ( but > > > should have more then 12 points) > > > I have tried to explain it, but I know I am unable to > explain > > > properly in English, so I would like to request Margarita to help > in > > > the matter. She can explain it in proper and simple way, easy to > > > understand. > > > krushna > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2002 Report Share Posted January 12, 2002 Dear Asham, Thank you for your explanations. It is perfectly clear now. Denis -- Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mes sites : www.denislaboure.fr.st www.astrocours.fr.st - " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 Friday, January 11, 2002 6:07 PM Re: Upachayas houses Dear Dennis, Let me try to answer and Margarita, Krushnaji and other list members can correct me if my understanding is not clear about this. 8th house from a house under consideration is the Karaka of the house. You can check that and this is as per the texts. House A = 8th from the hosue under consideration. House B = House that is being examined House C = 5th from house B or 10th from house A House D = 6th house from B or 11th from House A House E = 10th from House B or 3rd from House A Now Significance of House under consideration that being house B and planets that shall be good or bad based on Vimsottari Dasa (Starting from Moon Sign) will depend on the above houses. Each planet contributes certain points for the house and have bindus ( planets < 4 points are malefic and > 4 points are benefic) for the house. Now planets also cast aspects and those are dealt with also as casting benefic or malefic aspects. Now to come to the total points as given int he Master Worksheet we are finding out the net effect after considering all the influences. This sets the stage then to find and do predictions based on Vimsottari dasa starting from moon. Lets take an example of Lagna i.e 1st House. We know that the 8th from the house under consideration determines it length. What are u examining from the 8th house from lagna ?. What you are examining is the effects of its Karaka or significator. in the terminology used here that would be house A. House B ofcourse is the house under consideration i.e. Lagna. House C now is 5th from Lagna or 10th from House A (8th). We do know that planets in the 5th house being in trines to Lagna has a telling say. If planets in the 5th house are inimical to the lagna then this can be hard on the health of the native or the first house affairs. House D is the 10th house from Lagna or the 3rd house from its karaka i.e house A or the 8th house. We also know that 10th house is the most powerful quadrant and an upachaya or house of growth. It is 3rd from the karaka i.e. 8th house and its the house of growth for the karaka and 10th from lagna hence its also the house of growth for the lagna so it works doubly and this could be one of the reasons for it being Eager to give results for the house again under consideration i.e. Lagna. House E is the 6th house. 6th house is 11th from its Karaka i.e. House A and obviously 6th from Lagna. The 6th house denotes status of the native apart from enemies and its a trik house, but its also an Upachaya house or the house of growth. If you understand the Dhimanta yoga you will see that if the 1st lord or lagna lord conjoins with the 6th lord or in the 6th house then we get a Dhimanta Yoga meaning that the native aspires for knowledge and is very intellegent etc (the exact definition you can get from astrology books). 11th house is the house of Gains and 11th from 8th house of house A significes Gains to the karaka for the lagna. So in this way what is happening in essence is that you are studying not only the Lagna but also its karaka and we do know and understand that you have to consider both the house and its karaka for predicting its final manifestation apart from the planets and their strengths to either do good or bad to a particular house under consideration, and once u know all that then you can predict the time of when good or bad effects will be felt with the aid of Vimsottari dasa. In Ashtakavarga you are not replacing the house, what in essence you are doing is finding out how the planets will effect the house under consideration. All planets help each other and the total of pluses and minuses on a house will actually show how a planet will act for the house. ***** Krushnaji can clarify this part ********************* House B (lagna) is the physical plane, House C (5th house) is the Mental Plane and House A (8th house) works on the Spiritual plane. (Krushnaji can clarify this). House D and E are eager to give results and how much would be answered by house C. ************************************************************ Navamsa has equal weightage to Rasi Chart and both should be examined before making predictions along with the divisional charts. I hope that this clarifies. Cheers !!! Ash , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...> wrote: > Dear Krushna, > > Thank you for your clear answer. I have some troubles to understand the > rationale underlying these rules. > > So, the houses which give the results > * are not the 6th and 10th houses from " the house as per the result is > required " . > * are the 6th and 10th houses from the 8th from " the house as per the result > is required " . > > Why do we use a so indirect rule? (the 8th from the basic house)? I > understand the 8th house from the basic rule gives the karaka (natural > significator) of the matter. Is it enough to replace the basic house itself? > > Thanks a lot for your patience! > Denis > > -- > Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les > cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons > d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mes sites : > www.denislaboure.fr.st > www.astrocours.fr.st > - > " krushanain " <krushanain> > > Friday, January 11, 2002 7:26 AM > Re: Upachayas houses > > > > Dear Denis, > > I will try to explain it again. > > Follow the following steps > > 1)Ascertain the house as per the result is required. (every > > house denotes certain results)For Example for Marriage, Partnership > > 7th house. For Income 11th house. For service, job 6th house etc. It > > might have been given in some lesson, Or you can find out from any > > book on Basic astrology. > > 2) Denote this house as " B " . > > 3) Select 8th house from this house, call it as " A " . House A > > denotes the karkatva for house " B " . > > 4) So we should select Upchay houses from " A " . House A, and > > sixth and 10th house from A, are the main upchay house. 3rd house and > > 11th house from A are Secondary Upchay houses. Denote 3rd house > > as " D " and 11th house as " E " . Lord of these houses are eager to give > > the result of house " B " in their sub period. ( if we see we will find > > that E and D houses are the upchay houses from " B " . E is 6th from B > > and D is 10th from B,) > > 5) We find the total of the points as per sarvastak varga for > > the houses A.B,and C. This total we call as basic strength of the > > planet for house B. > > 6) 10th house is a important house in upchay houses. Malefic > > planets in 10th house becames strong. As per astakvarg we consider > > any planet with less then 4 points as malefic. So if planets in 10th > > house with less points are considered as strong. This theory we apply > > for interrelation of planets. If any planet, with less points, > > situated in the 10th house from a planet, becames powerful. Therefore > > the basic strength of the planet is added to the planet situated at > > 10th house from it. Condition is the planet in 10th house should have > > less then 4 points. > > 5) Similarly for the lords of D and E, to distingwish them > > from other planets, we add 5 points in their basic strength. > > 6) Similar treatment is given to the planets situated in D > > and E house with more then 4 points. ( Planet with more then 4 points > > in any house is treated as good tenant of that house, and help to > > give the result for the lord of that house, in it's absence.) > > 7)The effect of the sight of planets is considered. The basic > > theory is malefic planets gives benefic sight, and benefic planets > > have malefic sight. So the effect of sight of a planet on the houses > > is considered and effect is given. > > 8) In the same way effect of the sight on other planets is > > also given. > > 9) This way we get the final strength of the planets in > > numerical value for a perticular house. > > 10) Planets give the result for any house as per it's > > strength. Less then 12 points, are considered as malefic result, and > > more then 12 points are considered as benefic for any house. The > > benefic result of any house can be achived in the sub period of the > > planet having more then 12 points. > > 11) For finding the timing event, We must consider the > > status of the planet. such as 6th lord of the chart can not give > > benefic result. Similarly the lord of 12th house from house B can not > > give benefic result for house B. If any planet gives Zero points in > > sarvastak to any house, can not give benefic result. > > 12) lords of D and E, or the planets situated in house D and > > E with more points ( more then 4 in sarvastak) can give the results > > event if they are with less points compared to other planets ( but > > should have more then 12 points) > > I have tried to explain it, but I know I am unable to explain > > properly in English, so I would like to request Margarita to help in > > the matter. She can explain it in proper and simple way, easy to > > understand. > > krushna > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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