Rectification of the birthtimechart 020125:Ash

[Guest guest]

Dear Ash,-

1) Rashi chart is used for the finding the power of the

planets.

2) Rashi and navamansha chart are for consideration of aspect, and

samdharmi. Both have equal status.

3) For finding the probable date, the combination of planets should

be used. Mostly the sub period is of the powerful planet, or lords of

D or E. and transit of sun in Rashi or Constelation of other planets.

We may get such periods 2 or three. Now we have to select from that.

If the person is from India, it became easy. Because some special

things are done on good Muhurth. For Marriage, such dates are given,

So it can be find out the date which will suit the native. This will

make the thing very narrow down.

4) When the marriage life is happy, it is very easy to find out the

date. When there is some problem, in such case it became some what

difficult. Same is the case for other events of the life.

5) If all the planets are having good points above 12, and there is

no problem indicated, then the powerful planet or lord of D or E will

give the result. For events like marriage, age factor is important.

If there is no delay indicated, means, first powerful planet can give

the result. ( We must ascertain the status of the planets.)

5) Status of the planet: any relationship with sixth lord, or gain of

power due to sixth lord. Planet good for all the houses related with

the event, should be selected.

6) the relationship of the house B and it's seventh lord also plays a

important role.

7) Your question about marriage with out the permission of the

parents is covered in love marriage.

krushna

 

-- In , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> Dear Krushnaji,

>

> Thank you for your answer. I am still lost and confused on how to

> arrive at different dates (based on transits) [Yes I made a mistake

> of not identifying Jupiter and Mercury's constellation in Pisces

> thank you for pointing that out]. Which one to take as more

> appropriate. I have read the Lesson on Transits, but I am still

> confused.

> Could you give me some methodology as to come to the dates using

> transits.

>

> 1) If there are more than 2 strong planets, which constellations to

> take, how to go about selecting the dates based on constellation

and

> strong planets, do these have to be considered in Rasi or Navamsa

or

> both, and if both then how do we know which one to take ?.

>

> 2) I have asked for some clarifications in my mail, could you

please

> clarify those questions for me please.

>

> There is still a lot of confusion for me in the following areas.

>

> 1) Narrowing down the dates ?

> 2) Which chart to consider (Rasi or Navamsa, I do understand that

> both have equal status, but in cases where there is strong

indication

> of marriage in Rasi and delay indicated in Navamsa then which one

to

> consider ?

> 3) For every chart, should we also make a worksheet for Navamsa

just

> like we do for Rasi, so far I have been only creating the Sanjays

> spread sheet for Rasi.

> 4) If it is possible and when you have some time, could you give a

> small write up on how to narrow down the dates when there are

> multiple strong planets for the 7th house. eg. What if 6 planets

are

> strong in the worksheet for 7th house (furnishing more than 12

points)

> then in that case how do we go about pin pointing the dates based

on

> Sun's Transit and which one to take or which ones are stronger to

> give the event.

> 5) How are marriages without the concent of elders and parents to

be

> identified (You had just given a small sentence where you said to

> consider Mars, Venus and Saturn for such indications. What

> indications are we talking about.)

>

> When I try and answer a few questions a new bundle of them crop

up .

>

> Could you please answer the clarifications and these questions,

they

> will help me learn and clarify my confusion.

>

> Best Regards,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

>

> , " krushanain "

<krushanain>

> wrote:

> > Dear Ash,

> > Lord of A is Mars, B is Mercury, and C is Saturn it self.

If

> > you see in the Navamansha chart, Saturn is with Mercury and

> aspecting

> > on Mars. This causes the delay.

> > Timing of marriage you find is correct, We can have one

more

> > date, which is the transit in Pisces Sign of Jupiter and

> > Constellation of Mercury( April 3 to April 15).

> > krushna

> >

> >

> > , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Krushnaji, Sanjay and list members,

> > >

> > > I did the chart and I also get Pisces ascendent with Navamsa

> lagna

> > as

> > > Sagittarius.

> > >

> > > I also came to the same conclusion as Sanjay did that if one

> > > considers Rasi chart then there is no delay.

> > >

> > > In Navamsa chart, Shani is in 2nd in its own house with mercury

> > > thereby aspecting house C and D for 7th house significance.

That

> > > would definitely indicate delay in marriage of upto 27.5

> years ???

> > > [Am not too sure about the 27.5 years, I had read that in one

of

> > the

> > > posts : Could you clarify the delay period please].

> > >

> > > Since Shani is in house A for 7th house, shouldnt that make its

> > > karakatwa strong indicating early marriage, even if it is

Shani.

> > > [Could you clarify this point too ?].

> > >

> > > In the Navamsa chart 12th lord from 7th (Venus) is in 7th

house,

> > > there by spoiling the results.

> > >

> > > If he marrys in Venus antra in Guru Mahadasa then there would

be

> > > problems as venus is the 12th lord from 7th house in Navamsa.

> > >

> > > Mercury gives highest points for 7th house in worksheet. Its

> antar

> > > dasa runs from 2000 - 2003 april.

> > > Mercury is also in house D in rasi and eager to give results.

It

> > is

> > > with Shani so it should push its results in the last 1/3

portion

> of

> > > this antar dasa. Hence it should give marriage from april 2002

> to

> > > april 2003.

> > > The probable date for marriage would be when sun transits the

> > > constellation of strong significator which would be mercury and

> > > jupiter (from Rasi 7th house worksheet points) i.e from July

6th

> > > through July 16th. So maybe the marriage will take place in

2002

> > > between July 6th and July 16th.

> > >

> > > Questions.

> > >

> > > 1) If Rasi has good signs of marriage and Navamsa has delay,

> which

> > > one should we consider for effects ?

> > >

> > > 2) What is the order in which we should check for delays in

> > marriage ?

> > >

> > > Please feel free to correct my understanding.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " krushanain "

> > <krushanain>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Sanjay,

> > > > For pisces ascendent, check the navamansha chart.

> > > > The rashi chart and navamansha chart have equal status. So

the

> > > effect

> > > > should be taken as combined considering both the chart. I

think

> > you

> > > > will find the answer for delay in marriage.

> > > > krushna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Sanjay Jaggia "

> > > > <sanjaygg2001> wrote:

> > > > > Respected Krushnaji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I cast the chart for time 1:26 and 12:26 also. For 1:26, I

> get

> > > > Pisces

> > > > > ascendant and again, I see no reason why there should be

> delay

> > in

> > > > marriage.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, if we cast the chart for 12:26 and get Aquarius

> > > ascendant,

> > > > then we

> > > > > get Saturn aspecting all three A, B and C. Even though

Saturn

> > is

> > > > aspected by

> > > > > Jupiter, Jupiter has only 4 points for house 7 and as

> > functional

> > > > karaka for

> > > > > this house, it is spoilt.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter is also spoilt by the aspect from a Mars with 5

> points.

> > > As

> > > > such, I

> > > > > think the ability of Jupiter to reduce the delay caused by

> > Saturn

> > > is

> > > > > nullified for the 7th house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Natural karaka Venus is strong and he might get a chance to

> > marry

> > > > in the sub

> > > > > of Venus beginning in July 2004. Or in the sub of Ketu

> starting

> > > in

> > > > 2003.

> > > > >

> > > > > I could not see other reasons for delay as there is no

planet

> > > > giving 0 for

> > > > > any house, Jupiter is not in Libra either in Rashi or

> navamsha,

> > > > Venus is not

> > > > > in a bad nakshatra or too close or far from the Sun. I have

> not

> > > > looked for

> > > > > 2/12 or other relations as these show quality of marriage

and

> > not

> > > > the event

> > > > > itself.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please advise if this line of reasoning is correct. We can

> now

> > > look

> > > > for

> > > > > other events in his life to get a closer fixing for the

> > ascendant.

> > > > >

> > > > > kind regards

> > > > > Sanjay

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > " krushanain " <krushanain>

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, January 26, 2002 2:02 AM

> > > > > Re: Rectification of

the

> > > > birthtimechart

> > > > > 020125

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash, and list members,

> > > > > You have casted the chart correct, as per data the

> data

> > > > given.

> > > > > The points in the worksheet are also correct. As per the

> chart,

> > > > there

> > > > > is no indication of delayed marriage. Jupiter and Moon are

> lord

> > > of E

> > > > > and D, So there is no effect of it's sight. Jupiter itself

> can

> > > give

> > > > > the result. So as per this chart the native should have

> married

> > in

> > > > > the sub of Jupiter. Now if we consider, whether the native

> > might

> > > > have

> > > > > married, with out the knowedge of parents, but there is no

> such

> > > yog.

> > > > > There is no indication. ( for this we consider Venus, Mars,

> and

> > > > > Saturn, along with the lords of 5th, 7th and 12th house. )

> > > > > from this it is confirmed, there must be some thing

> > wrong

> > > in

> > > > > the chart. From the figured given in the chart, about

Dinman,

> 31

> > > > > Ghati 38 pal(12 hours 39 min), can not be for the birth

place

> > on

> > > the

> > > > > day. For the birth place it should be 33 Ghati 43 pal.( 13

> > hours

> > > 29

> > > > > minits) The day time given in the chart is for the place

> having

> > > > > longitude 10:N:XX or near about. For that place the sun

rise

> > will

> > > be

> > > > > at 05:45 am. a difference of about 52 min. As the time of

> birth

> > is

> > > > > given from Sun rise, so the birth time must be earlier to

the

> > time

> > > > > given by at least 52 min.

> > > > > Now can you find a new chart, and any reason for

delay

> > in

> > > the

> > > > > marriage?

> > > > > Please note all the events of the life, must match

> with

> > the

> > > > > chart, this is basic thing. My experience is about 90%

events

> > > > matches

> > > > > with the chart. Some events do not match, may be due to

some

> > thing

> > > > > unknown, or still not known.

> > > > > krushna

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In , " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73@h...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Krushnaji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here is my attempt.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I plotted the chart with the data give.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lagna : Aries 5.56 degrees with Venus in it. Aswini

> Nakshatra

> > > > > > Navamsa : Taurus.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From this chart, none of the luminiaries are in the sign

of

> > > saturn

> > > > > or

> > > > > > saturn itself except in trimsamsa lagna is aquarius, this

> > would

> > > > > > indicate low intellegence or intellecutal capacity or low

> IQ.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marriage Indications.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From this chart, The marriage indications are good as

> > > > > > 1) There are no points rendering 0 points in SAV.

> > > > > > 2) No indications of delay as Shani is not aspecting

house

> A,

> > B

> > > > or C

> > > > > > Shani is lord of house C.

> > > > > > ********************************************

> > > > > > Clarifications wanted here

> > > > > > [Does Shani owning house C indicates delay

> > > > > > ********************************************

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Looking at the spread sheet, House A, B and C are

aspected

> by

> > > > > Guru ,

> > > > > > Mars and Venus. So their samdharmi can come forwared to

> give

> > > > > results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Samdharmi's

> > > > > > ***********

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Guru has no samdharmi. It is alone in 11th house in rasi

> and

> > > 12th

> > > > > > hosue in Navamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mars is Samdharmi to Venus as they exchange signs in Rasi

> and

> > > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Venus is samdharmi to mars.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For 7th house, Venus gets the least points being 6th and

> Mars

> > > too

> > > > > > gets only 10 points. Hence for 7th house significance

they

> > will

> > > > > not

> > > > > > act as samdharmi as in order for them to become

samdharmis

> > they

> > > > > > should have atleast 12 points for the house under

> > consideration.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Looking at the spread sheet for 7th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Guru has the highest points 23.

> > > > > > Moon has 16

> > > > > > Me has 14

> > > > > > Su has 13

> > > > > > Ma has 10

> > > > > > Sa has 9

> > > > > > Ve has 6

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no indication of delay of marriage so the

marriage

> > can

> > > > > take

> > > > > > place when the person reaches maturity.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At 18 the dasa running was Rahu/Sun.

> > > > > > Sun can give the results as it is benefic with 13 points.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun is also benefic for B,C,D and E houses and malefic

for

> 2nd

> > > > > house

> > > > > > or A (9 points).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun only has 3 points in SAV. [What does this mean ?]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun Antradasa is 1 year. Dividing into 3 parts. Since

> there

> > > is

> > > > no

> > > > > > aspect of Shani and aspect of Guru is there on house B

the

> > > > marriage

> > > > > > should have taken place in the first 1/3rd portion of Sun

> > antra

> > > > > > That is from 14th August 1993 30th November 1993.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun Rise is at 4:47:34 at Koraba.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Adding 2.26 + 4:47:34 = 7:13 am.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do we take this time and rectify the birth chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please let us know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " krushanain "

> > > > > <krushanain>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > Here is a chart, where I found mistake in

> calculating

> > the

> > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > time. The birth data given in this chart was as per old

> > indian

> > > > > > > tradition. The time of birth is given, time after

> Sunrise.

> > But

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > time of sun rise should be for the place of the birth.

So

> > many

> > > > > > times

> > > > > > > the person prepairing the chart do not have time of

> Sunrise

> > > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > place, so he use the time given in the ephemeries. This

> can

> > > make

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > > So here with I am giving the chart, and the data

as

> > > given

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > chart. We are to rectify the birth time using AV system.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This person is unmarried, and We have to find probable

> > time,

> > > > when

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > may marry.

> > > > > > > D.O.Birth 1st June 1974.

> > > > > > > Birth time given 2:26 am ( calculated from the time

given

> > > after

> > > > > sun

> > > > > > > rise)

> > > > > > > Place of birth Koraba 25N30, 88:E:10.

> > > > > > > Krushna's Ayanansha 22:29:22

> > > > > > > We are having only the fact that he is not

married.

> > So

> > > the

> > > > > > > chart should indicate, the reason for delay marriage.

> > > > > > > krushna.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > _______

> > > > >

> > > > > Get your free @ address at

[Guest guest]

Dear Ash,

For the present case, We have Mercury, Jupiter and Venus. For

this case Sun is sixth lord, which can not be considered as evil.

So Sun's transit in Sagitarius, Gemini, and Pisces, can be selected.

Sag: Jupiter + Venus,

Gemini: Mercury + Jupiter

Pisces: Jupiter and Mercury.

Now we are selecting the period of Mercury, so other two can be

considered for the date of the event. If you refer any Ephemeries

giving Muhurth, you can find in March April and May, there are good

muhurth. Now person is having his moon in Virgo, So Moon in Upchay

stan on the day and in 1 or 7th place are good. Now Upchay stan from

Virgo are Scorpio, Aqua, Gem, and Cancer, and 1st is Virgo and 7th is

Pisces. Now we can find the Moon in these sign.

on 1-4-2002 Moon is in Sco, 8-4-2002 moon is in Aqua,

So we can select in similar way, any auspicious day.

krushna

 

 

, " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...>

wrote:

> Dear Krushnaji,

>

> One more thing, You said

>

> " Timing of marriage you find is correct, We can have one more

> > date, which is the transit in Pisces Sign of Jupiter and

> > Constellation of Mercury( April 3 to April 15). "

>

> I had selected the dates in the constellation of Mercury and

Jupiter

> and came to the Dates of July 6 thru July 16th.

>

> I had missed the dates in the contellstion of Jupiter and Mercury,

> but on retro thinking, between the two, if I had to take my pick I

> still would have gone with July 6th thru July 16th.

> My reason would be that in the spread sheet Mercury is still

stronger

> than Jupiter point wise.

>

> But that crops up another question, which one do we select based on

> suns transit into the constellation of

> 1) Mercury and Jupiter .

> 2) Jupiter and Mercury.

>

> Are there any rules for such selection ? Which one is right ?

>

> Thank You for your patience,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

> , " krushanain "

<krushanain>

> wrote:

> > Dear Ash,

> > Lord of A is Mars, B is Mercury, and C is Saturn it self.

If

> > you see in the Navamansha chart, Saturn is with Mercury and

> aspecting

> > on Mars. This causes the delay.

> > Timing of marriage you find is correct, We can have one

more

> > date, which is the transit in Pisces Sign of Jupiter and

> > Constellation of Mercury( April 3 to April 15).

> > krushna

> >

> >

> > , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Krushnaji, Sanjay and list members,

> > >

> > > I did the chart and I also get Pisces ascendent with Navamsa

> lagna

> > as

> > > Sagittarius.

> > >

> > > I also came to the same conclusion as Sanjay did that if one

> > > considers Rasi chart then there is no delay.

> > >

> > > In Navamsa chart, Shani is in 2nd in its own house with mercury

> > > thereby aspecting house C and D for 7th house significance.

That

> > > would definitely indicate delay in marriage of upto 27.5

> years ???

> > > [Am not too sure about the 27.5 years, I had read that in one

of

> > the

> > > posts : Could you clarify the delay period please].

> > >

> > > Since Shani is in house A for 7th house, shouldnt that make its

> > > karakatwa strong indicating early marriage, even if it is

Shani.

> > > [Could you clarify this point too ?].

> > >

> > > In the Navamsa chart 12th lord from 7th (Venus) is in 7th

house,

> > > there by spoiling the results.

> > >

> > > If he marrys in Venus antra in Guru Mahadasa then there would

be

> > > problems as venus is the 12th lord from 7th house in Navamsa.

> > >

> > > Mercury gives highest points for 7th house in worksheet. Its

> antar

> > > dasa runs from 2000 - 2003 april.

> > > Mercury is also in house D in rasi and eager to give results.

It

> > is

> > > with Shani so it should push its results in the last 1/3

portion

> of

> > > this antar dasa. Hence it should give marriage from april 2002

> to

> > > april 2003.

> > > The probable date for marriage would be when sun transits the

> > > constellation of strong significator which would be mercury and

> > > jupiter (from Rasi 7th house worksheet points) i.e from July

6th

> > > through July 16th. So maybe the marriage will take place in

2002

> > > between July 6th and July 16th.

> > >

> > > Questions.

> > >

> > > 1) If Rasi has good signs of marriage and Navamsa has delay,

> which

> > > one should we consider for effects ?

> > >

> > > 2) What is the order in which we should check for delays in

> > marriage ?

> > >

> > > Please feel free to correct my understanding.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " krushanain "

> > <krushanain>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Sanjay,

> > > > For pisces ascendent, check the navamansha chart.

> > > > The rashi chart and navamansha chart have equal status. So

the

> > > effect

> > > > should be taken as combined considering both the chart. I

think

> > you

> > > > will find the answer for delay in marriage.

> > > > krushna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Sanjay Jaggia "

> > > > <sanjaygg2001> wrote:

> > > > > Respected Krushnaji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I cast the chart for time 1:26 and 12:26 also. For 1:26, I

> get

> > > > Pisces

> > > > > ascendant and again, I see no reason why there should be

> delay

> > in

> > > > marriage.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, if we cast the chart for 12:26 and get Aquarius

> > > ascendant,

> > > > then we

> > > > > get Saturn aspecting all three A, B and C. Even though

Saturn

> > is

> > > > aspected by

> > > > > Jupiter, Jupiter has only 4 points for house 7 and as

> > functional

> > > > karaka for

> > > > > this house, it is spoilt.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter is also spoilt by the aspect from a Mars with 5

> points.

> > > As

> > > > such, I

> > > > > think the ability of Jupiter to reduce the delay caused by

> > Saturn

> > > is

> > > > > nullified for the 7th house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Natural karaka Venus is strong and he might get a chance to

> > marry

> > > > in the sub

> > > > > of Venus beginning in July 2004. Or in the sub of Ketu

> starting

> > > in

> > > > 2003.

> > > > >

> > > > > I could not see other reasons for delay as there is no

planet

> > > > giving 0 for

> > > > > any house, Jupiter is not in Libra either in Rashi or

> navamsha,

> > > > Venus is not

> > > > > in a bad nakshatra or too close or far from the Sun. I have

> not

> > > > looked for

> > > > > 2/12 or other relations as these show quality of marriage

and

> > not

> > > > the event

> > > > > itself.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please advise if this line of reasoning is correct. We can

> now

> > > look

> > > > for

> > > > > other events in his life to get a closer fixing for the

> > ascendant.

> > > > >

> > > > > kind regards

> > > > > Sanjay

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > " krushanain " <krushanain>

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, January 26, 2002 2:02 AM

> > > > > Re: Rectification of

the

> > > > birthtimechart

> > > > > 020125

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash, and list members,

> > > > > You have casted the chart correct, as per data the

> data

> > > > given.

> > > > > The points in the worksheet are also correct. As per the

> chart,

> > > > there

> > > > > is no indication of delayed marriage. Jupiter and Moon are

> lord

> > > of E

> > > > > and D, So there is no effect of it's sight. Jupiter itself

> can

> > > give

> > > > > the result. So as per this chart the native should have

> married

> > in

> > > > > the sub of Jupiter. Now if we consider, whether the native

> > might

> > > > have

> > > > > married, with out the knowedge of parents, but there is no

> such

> > > yog.

> > > > > There is no indication. ( for this we consider Venus, Mars,

> and

> > > > > Saturn, along with the lords of 5th, 7th and 12th house. )

> > > > > from this it is confirmed, there must be some thing

> > wrong

> > > in

> > > > > the chart. From the figured given in the chart, about

Dinman,

> 31

> > > > > Ghati 38 pal(12 hours 39 min), can not be for the birth

place

> > on

> > > the

> > > > > day. For the birth place it should be 33 Ghati 43 pal.( 13

> > hours

> > > 29

> > > > > minits) The day time given in the chart is for the place

> having

> > > > > longitude 10:N:XX or near about. For that place the sun

rise

> > will

> > > be

> > > > > at 05:45 am. a difference of about 52 min. As the time of

> birth

> > is

> > > > > given from Sun rise, so the birth time must be earlier to

the

> > time

> > > > > given by at least 52 min.

> > > > > Now can you find a new chart, and any reason for

delay

> > in

> > > the

> > > > > marriage?

> > > > > Please note all the events of the life, must match

> with

> > the

> > > > > chart, this is basic thing. My experience is about 90%

events

> > > > matches

> > > > > with the chart. Some events do not match, may be due to

some

> > thing

> > > > > unknown, or still not known.

> > > > > krushna

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In , " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73@h...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Krushnaji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here is my attempt.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I plotted the chart with the data give.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lagna : Aries 5.56 degrees with Venus in it. Aswini

> Nakshatra

> > > > > > Navamsa : Taurus.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From this chart, none of the luminiaries are in the sign

of

> > > saturn

> > > > > or

> > > > > > saturn itself except in trimsamsa lagna is aquarius, this

> > would

> > > > > > indicate low intellegence or intellecutal capacity or low

> IQ.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marriage Indications.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From this chart, The marriage indications are good as

> > > > > > 1) There are no points rendering 0 points in SAV.

> > > > > > 2) No indications of delay as Shani is not aspecting

house

> A,

> > B

> > > > or C

> > > > > > Shani is lord of house C.

> > > > > > ********************************************

> > > > > > Clarifications wanted here

> > > > > > [Does Shani owning house C indicates delay

> > > > > > ********************************************

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Looking at the spread sheet, House A, B and C are

aspected

> by

> > > > > Guru ,

> > > > > > Mars and Venus. So their samdharmi can come forwared to

> give

> > > > > results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Samdharmi's

> > > > > > ***********

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Guru has no samdharmi. It is alone in 11th house in rasi

> and

> > > 12th

> > > > > > hosue in Navamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mars is Samdharmi to Venus as they exchange signs in Rasi

> and

> > > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Venus is samdharmi to mars.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For 7th house, Venus gets the least points being 6th and

> Mars

> > > too

> > > > > > gets only 10 points. Hence for 7th house significance

they

> > will

> > > > > not

> > > > > > act as samdharmi as in order for them to become

samdharmis

> > they

> > > > > > should have atleast 12 points for the house under

> > consideration.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Looking at the spread sheet for 7th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Guru has the highest points 23.

> > > > > > Moon has 16

> > > > > > Me has 14

> > > > > > Su has 13

> > > > > > Ma has 10

> > > > > > Sa has 9

> > > > > > Ve has 6

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no indication of delay of marriage so the

marriage

> > can

> > > > > take

> > > > > > place when the person reaches maturity.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At 18 the dasa running was Rahu/Sun.

> > > > > > Sun can give the results as it is benefic with 13 points.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun is also benefic for B,C,D and E houses and malefic

for

> 2nd

> > > > > house

> > > > > > or A (9 points).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun only has 3 points in SAV. [What does this mean ?]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun Antradasa is 1 year. Dividing into 3 parts. Since

> there

> > > is

> > > > no

> > > > > > aspect of Shani and aspect of Guru is there on house B

the

> > > > marriage

> > > > > > should have taken place in the first 1/3rd portion of Sun

> > antra

> > > > > > That is from 14th August 1993 30th November 1993.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun Rise is at 4:47:34 at Koraba.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Adding 2.26 + 4:47:34 = 7:13 am.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do we take this time and rectify the birth chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please let us know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " krushanain "

> > > > > <krushanain>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > Here is a chart, where I found mistake in

> calculating

> > the

> > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > time. The birth data given in this chart was as per old

> > indian

> > > > > > > tradition. The time of birth is given, time after

> Sunrise.

> > But

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > time of sun rise should be for the place of the birth.

So

> > many

> > > > > > times

> > > > > > > the person prepairing the chart do not have time of

> Sunrise

> > > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > place, so he use the time given in the ephemeries. This

> can

> > > make

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > > So here with I am giving the chart, and the data

as

> > > given

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > chart. We are to rectify the birth time using AV system.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This person is unmarried, and We have to find probable

> > time,

> > > > when

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > may marry.

> > > > > > > D.O.Birth 1st June 1974.

> > > > > > > Birth time given 2:26 am ( calculated from the time

given

> > > after

> > > > > sun

> > > > > > > rise)

> > > > > > > Place of birth Koraba 25N30, 88:E:10.

> > > > > > > Krushna's Ayanansha 22:29:22

> > > > > > > We are having only the fact that he is not

married.

> > So

> > > the

> > > > > > > chart should indicate, the reason for delay marriage.

> > > > > > > krushna.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > _______

> > > > >

> > > > > Get your free @ address at

[Guest guest]

Dear Krushnaji,

Thank you for your answer. I shall keep these points in mind when

analysing chats.

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, " krushanain " <krushanain>

wrote:

> Dear Ash,

> For the present case, We have Mercury, Jupiter and Venus. For

> this case Sun is sixth lord, which can not be considered as evil.

> So Sun's transit in Sagitarius, Gemini, and Pisces, can be

selected.

> Sag: Jupiter + Venus,

> Gemini: Mercury + Jupiter

> Pisces: Jupiter and Mercury.

> Now we are selecting the period of Mercury, so other two can

be

> considered for the date of the event. If you refer any Ephemeries

> giving Muhurth, you can find in March April and May, there are

good

> muhurth. Now person is having his moon in Virgo, So Moon in Upchay

> stan on the day and in 1 or 7th place are good. Now Upchay stan

from

> Virgo are Scorpio, Aqua, Gem, and Cancer, and 1st is Virgo and 7th

is

> Pisces. Now we can find the Moon in these sign.

> on 1-4-2002 Moon is in Sco, 8-4-2002 moon is in Aqua,

> So we can select in similar way, any auspicious day.

> krushna

>

>

> , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Krushnaji,

> >

> > One more thing, You said

> >

> > " Timing of marriage you find is correct, We can have one more

> > > date, which is the transit in Pisces Sign of Jupiter and

> > > Constellation of Mercury( April 3 to April 15). "

> >

> > I had selected the dates in the constellation of Mercury and

> Jupiter

> > and came to the Dates of July 6 thru July 16th.

> >

> > I had missed the dates in the contellstion of Jupiter and

Mercury,

> > but on retro thinking, between the two, if I had to take my pick

I

> > still would have gone with July 6th thru July 16th.

> > My reason would be that in the spread sheet Mercury is still

> stronger

> > than Jupiter point wise.

> >

> > But that crops up another question, which one do we select based

on

> > suns transit into the constellation of

> > 1) Mercury and Jupiter .

> > 2) Jupiter and Mercury.

> >

> > Are there any rules for such selection ? Which one is right ?

> >

> > Thank You for your patience,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> > , " krushanain "

> <krushanain>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Ash,

> > > Lord of A is Mars, B is Mercury, and C is Saturn it

self.

> If

> > > you see in the Navamansha chart, Saturn is with Mercury and

> > aspecting

> > > on Mars. This causes the delay.

> > > Timing of marriage you find is correct, We can have one

> more

> > > date, which is the transit in Pisces Sign of Jupiter and

> > > Constellation of Mercury( April 3 to April 15).

> > > krushna

> > >

> > >

> > > , " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73@h...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Krushnaji, Sanjay and list members,

> > > >

> > > > I did the chart and I also get Pisces ascendent with Navamsa

> > lagna

> > > as

> > > > Sagittarius.

> > > >

> > > > I also came to the same conclusion as Sanjay did that if one

> > > > considers Rasi chart then there is no delay.

> > > >

> > > > In Navamsa chart, Shani is in 2nd in its own house with

mercury

> > > > thereby aspecting house C and D for 7th house significance.

> That

> > > > would definitely indicate delay in marriage of upto 27.5

> > years ???

> > > > [Am not too sure about the 27.5 years, I had read that in

one

> of

> > > the

> > > > posts : Could you clarify the delay period please].

> > > >

> > > > Since Shani is in house A for 7th house, shouldnt that make

its

> > > > karakatwa strong indicating early marriage, even if it is

> Shani.

> > > > [Could you clarify this point too ?].

> > > >

> > > > In the Navamsa chart 12th lord from 7th (Venus) is in 7th

> house,

> > > > there by spoiling the results.

> > > >

> > > > If he marrys in Venus antra in Guru Mahadasa then there

would

> be

> > > > problems as venus is the 12th lord from 7th house in Navamsa.

> > > >

> > > > Mercury gives highest points for 7th house in worksheet.

Its

> > antar

> > > > dasa runs from 2000 - 2003 april.

> > > > Mercury is also in house D in rasi and eager to give

results.

> It

> > > is

> > > > with Shani so it should push its results in the last 1/3

> portion

> > of

> > > > this antar dasa. Hence it should give marriage from april

2002

> > to

> > > > april 2003.

> > > > The probable date for marriage would be when sun transits

the

> > > > constellation of strong significator which would be mercury

and

> > > > jupiter (from Rasi 7th house worksheet points) i.e from July

> 6th

> > > > through July 16th. So maybe the marriage will take place in

> 2002

> > > > between July 6th and July 16th.

> > > >

> > > > Questions.

> > > >

> > > > 1) If Rasi has good signs of marriage and Navamsa has delay,

> > which

> > > > one should we consider for effects ?

> > > >

> > > > 2) What is the order in which we should check for delays in

> > > marriage ?

> > > >

> > > > Please feel free to correct my understanding.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > , " krushanain "

> > > <krushanain>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Sanjay,

> > > > > For pisces ascendent, check the navamansha chart.

> > > > > The rashi chart and navamansha chart have equal status. So

> the

> > > > effect

> > > > > should be taken as combined considering both the chart. I

> think

> > > you

> > > > > will find the answer for delay in marriage.

> > > > > krushna

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Sanjay Jaggia "

> > > > > <sanjaygg2001> wrote:

> > > > > > Respected Krushnaji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I cast the chart for time 1:26 and 12:26 also. For 1:26,

I

> > get

> > > > > Pisces

> > > > > > ascendant and again, I see no reason why there should be

> > delay

> > > in

> > > > > marriage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, if we cast the chart for 12:26 and get Aquarius

> > > > ascendant,

> > > > > then we

> > > > > > get Saturn aspecting all three A, B and C. Even though

> Saturn

> > > is

> > > > > aspected by

> > > > > > Jupiter, Jupiter has only 4 points for house 7 and as

> > > functional

> > > > > karaka for

> > > > > > this house, it is spoilt.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter is also spoilt by the aspect from a Mars with 5

> > points.

> > > > As

> > > > > such, I

> > > > > > think the ability of Jupiter to reduce the delay caused

by

> > > Saturn

> > > > is

> > > > > > nullified for the 7th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Natural karaka Venus is strong and he might get a chance

to

> > > marry

> > > > > in the sub

> > > > > > of Venus beginning in July 2004. Or in the sub of Ketu

> > starting

> > > > in

> > > > > 2003.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I could not see other reasons for delay as there is no

> planet

> > > > > giving 0 for

> > > > > > any house, Jupiter is not in Libra either in Rashi or

> > navamsha,

> > > > > Venus is not

> > > > > > in a bad nakshatra or too close or far from the Sun. I

have

> > not

> > > > > looked for

> > > > > > 2/12 or other relations as these show quality of

marriage

> and

> > > not

> > > > > the event

> > > > > > itself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please advise if this line of reasoning is correct. We

can

> > now

> > > > look

> > > > > for

> > > > > > other events in his life to get a closer fixing for the

> > > ascendant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kind regards

> > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > " krushanain " <krushanain>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturday, January 26, 2002 2:02 AM

> > > > > > Re: Rectification of

> the

> > > > > birthtimechart

> > > > > > 020125

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ash, and list members,

> > > > > > You have casted the chart correct, as per data

the

> > data

> > > > > given.

> > > > > > The points in the worksheet are also correct. As per the

> > chart,

> > > > > there

> > > > > > is no indication of delayed marriage. Jupiter and Moon

are

> > lord

> > > > of E

> > > > > > and D, So there is no effect of it's sight. Jupiter

itself

> > can

> > > > give

> > > > > > the result. So as per this chart the native should have

> > married

> > > in

> > > > > > the sub of Jupiter. Now if we consider, whether the

native

> > > might

> > > > > have

> > > > > > married, with out the knowedge of parents, but there is

no

> > such

> > > > yog.

> > > > > > There is no indication. ( for this we consider Venus,

Mars,

> > and

> > > > > > Saturn, along with the lords of 5th, 7th and 12th

house. )

> > > > > > from this it is confirmed, there must be some

thing

> > > wrong

> > > > in

> > > > > > the chart. From the figured given in the chart, about

> Dinman,

> > 31

> > > > > > Ghati 38 pal(12 hours 39 min), can not be for the birth

> place

> > > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > day. For the birth place it should be 33 Ghati 43 pal.(

13

> > > hours

> > > > 29

> > > > > > minits) The day time given in the chart is for the place

> > having

> > > > > > longitude 10:N:XX or near about. For that place the sun

> rise

> > > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > at 05:45 am. a difference of about 52 min. As the time

of

> > birth

> > > is

> > > > > > given from Sun rise, so the birth time must be earlier

to

> the

> > > time

> > > > > > given by at least 52 min.

> > > > > > Now can you find a new chart, and any reason for

> delay

> > > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > marriage?

> > > > > > Please note all the events of the life, must

match

> > with

> > > the

> > > > > > chart, this is basic thing. My experience is about 90%

> events

> > > > > matches

> > > > > > with the chart. Some events do not match, may be due to

> some

> > > thing

> > > > > > unknown, or still not known.

> > > > > > krushna

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73@h...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here is my attempt.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I plotted the chart with the data give.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lagna : Aries 5.56 degrees with Venus in it. Aswini

> > Nakshatra

> > > > > > > Navamsa : Taurus.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > From this chart, none of the luminiaries are in the

sign

> of

> > > > saturn

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > saturn itself except in trimsamsa lagna is aquarius,

this

> > > would

> > > > > > > indicate low intellegence or intellecutal capacity or

low

> > IQ.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marriage Indications.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > From this chart, The marriage indications are good as

> > > > > > > 1) There are no points rendering 0 points in SAV.

> > > > > > > 2) No indications of delay as Shani is not aspecting

> house

> > A,

> > > B

> > > > > or C

> > > > > > > Shani is lord of house C.

> > > > > > > ********************************************

> > > > > > > Clarifications wanted here

> > > > > > > [Does Shani owning house C indicates delay

> > > > > > > ********************************************

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Looking at the spread sheet, House A, B and C are

> aspected

> > by

> > > > > > Guru ,

> > > > > > > Mars and Venus. So their samdharmi can come forwared

to

> > give

> > > > > > results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Samdharmi's

> > > > > > > ***********

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Guru has no samdharmi. It is alone in 11th house in

rasi

> > and

> > > > 12th

> > > > > > > hosue in Navamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mars is Samdharmi to Venus as they exchange signs in

Rasi

> > and

> > > > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Venus is samdharmi to mars.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For 7th house, Venus gets the least points being 6th

and

> > Mars

> > > > too

> > > > > > > gets only 10 points. Hence for 7th house significance

> they

> > > will

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > act as samdharmi as in order for them to become

> samdharmis

> > > they

> > > > > > > should have atleast 12 points for the house under

> > > consideration.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Looking at the spread sheet for 7th house.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Guru has the highest points 23.

> > > > > > > Moon has 16

> > > > > > > Me has 14

> > > > > > > Su has 13

> > > > > > > Ma has 10

> > > > > > > Sa has 9

> > > > > > > Ve has 6

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no indication of delay of marriage so the

> marriage

> > > can

> > > > > > take

> > > > > > > place when the person reaches maturity.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > At 18 the dasa running was Rahu/Sun.

> > > > > > > Sun can give the results as it is benefic with 13

points.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun is also benefic for B,C,D and E houses and malefic

> for

> > 2nd

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > or A (9 points).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun only has 3 points in SAV. [What does this mean ?]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun Antradasa is 1 year. Dividing into 3 parts.

Since

> > there

> > > > is

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > aspect of Shani and aspect of Guru is there on house B

> the

> > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > should have taken place in the first 1/3rd portion of

Sun

> > > antra

> > > > > > > That is from 14th August 1993 30th November 1993.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun Rise is at 4:47:34 at Koraba.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Adding 2.26 + 4:47:34 = 7:13 am.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do we take this time and rectify the birth chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please let us know.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " krushanain "

> > > > > > <krushanain>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > Here is a chart, where I found mistake in

> > calculating

> > > the

> > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > time. The birth data given in this chart was as per

old

> > > indian

> > > > > > > > tradition. The time of birth is given, time after

> > Sunrise.

> > > But

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > time of sun rise should be for the place of the

birth.

> So

> > > many

> > > > > > > times

> > > > > > > > the person prepairing the chart do not have time of

> > Sunrise

> > > > for

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > place, so he use the time given in the ephemeries.

This

> > can

> > > > make

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > > > So here with I am giving the chart, and the

data

> as

> > > > given

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > chart. We are to rectify the birth time using AV

system.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This person is unmarried, and We have to find

probable

> > > time,

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > may marry.

> > > > > > > > D.O.Birth 1st June 1974.

> > > > > > > > Birth time given 2:26 am ( calculated from the time

> given

> > > > after

> > > > > > sun

> > > > > > > > rise)

> > > > > > > > Place of birth Koraba 25N30, 88:E:10.

> > > > > > > > Krushna's Ayanansha 22:29:22

> > > > > > > > We are having only the fact that he is not

> married.

> > > So

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > chart should indicate, the reason for delay marriage.

> > > > > > > > krushna.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

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