Guest guest Posted May 23, 2002 Report Share Posted May 23, 2002 Dear Krushnaji and list members, I am attempting Chart 47. 1) At first glance Jupiter and Mars are in Parivartan. 2) Mars is in 3rd house with 4 points. 3) 6th lord Jupiter has become very powerful due to Shani. Because Guru is 6th lord, Shani cannot become samdharmi to it. Death can take place in the Mahadasa of 3rd lord or its samdharmi. Mars, Moon and Rahu (Jupiter and Venus) are Samdharmis and 3rd lord is Guru. The native was born in Venus Mahadasa and it was followed by Sun and Moons Mahadasa. **************************************************** Why did the death not take place in Moons Mahadasa ? Moon is in 3rd house and it is with 6 points in SAV Is it because Moon is LOD for 1st house ? **************************************************** Shani and Venus are natural samdhamis and also functional samdharmis in the chart as both are together in Navamsa. Shani and Venus are lords of D and E for 8th house and hence in their antra are eager to give results. Venus is also LOE for 3rd house so I am lost here as why would the antra of Shani give death as it is in 5th house and its antra comes before Venus ... I have not followed something correctly. Please correct my misunderstandings. Thanking you, Ash , " krushanain " <krushanain> wrote: > Dear Members, > Here I give some charts, for the event of Death. This will > also explain how samdharmi works. > Chart no(34) D.O.B. 30th Dec 1879 time 1:20 am IST (GMT + 5.5) > Place 9N50, 078E15 Ayanansha 21:10:22 > Death on 15th April 1950 > > Chart no 35: D.O.B. 31st Jan 1896 Time 05:07 am IST ( GMT +5.5) > 22N00, 73E16 ayanansha 21:23:50 Death in Rahu Mars Sub ( correct > date not available) > > Chart no 47: D.O.B. 2nd Nov 1935 Time 05:40 AM IST (GMT +5.5) > 13N28, 077E32 ayanansha 077E32 Death in Mars main Venus sub ( date > not known) > > Chart no 44: D.O.B. 4th April 1948 at 05:25 AM IST (GMT +5.5) > 26N18, 073E04 Ayanansha 22:07:30 Death in Rahu main Saturn Sub) > > If these problems are solved, members will get the idea how > samdharmi acts. > I am going out for 2 days. > krushna > > > > Chart no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2002 Report Share Posted May 24, 2002 Hello asham, I think Venus is stronger for death than Saturn. She is also lord of B and E and in C, so more involved in the matter. I also thought looking at the 1st as B and then Venus is in the 12th. So this could justify the role she plays but I understand your question and agree that if I had to guess the date of death Saturn could also have been a choice. We will wait and see what Krushna can tell us. Best regards Margarita ashsam73 [ashsam73] Friday, May 24, 2002 4:32 AM Chart 47 - Attempt Dear Krushnaji and list members, I am attempting Chart 47. 1) At first glance Jupiter and Mars are in Parivartan. 2) Mars is in 3rd house with 4 points. 3) 6th lord Jupiter has become very powerful due to Shani. Because Guru is 6th lord, Shani cannot become samdharmi to it. Death can take place in the Mahadasa of 3rd lord or its samdharmi. Mars, Moon and Rahu (Jupiter and Venus) are Samdharmis and 3rd lord is Guru. The native was born in Venus Mahadasa and it was followed by Sun and Moons Mahadasa. **************************************************** Why did the death not take place in Moons Mahadasa ? Moon is in 3rd house and it is with 6 points in SAV Is it because Moon is LOD for 1st house ? **************************************************** Shani and Venus are natural samdhamis and also functional samdharmis in the chart as both are together in Navamsa. Shani and Venus are lords of D and E for 8th house and hence in their antra are eager to give results. Venus is also LOE for 3rd house so I am lost here as why would the antra of Shani give death as it is in 5th house and its antra comes before Venus ... I have not followed something correctly. Please correct my misunderstandings. Thanking you, Ash , " krushanain " <krushanain> wrote: > Dear Members, > Here I give some charts, for the event of Death. This will > also explain how samdharmi works. > Chart no(34) D.O.B. 30th Dec 1879 time 1:20 am IST (GMT + 5.5) > Place 9N50, 078E15 Ayanansha 21:10:22 > Death on 15th April 1950 > > Chart no 35: D.O.B. 31st Jan 1896 Time 05:07 am IST ( GMT +5.5) > 22N00, 73E16 ayanansha 21:23:50 Death in Rahu Mars Sub ( correct > date not available) > > Chart no 47: D.O.B. 2nd Nov 1935 Time 05:40 AM IST (GMT +5.5) > 13N28, 077E32 ayanansha 077E32 Death in Mars main Venus sub ( date > not known) > > Chart no 44: D.O.B. 4th April 1948 at 05:25 AM IST (GMT +5.5) > 26N18, 073E04 Ayanansha 22:07:30 Death in Rahu main Saturn Sub) > > If these problems are solved, members will get the idea how > samdharmi acts. > I am going out for 2 days. > krushna > > > > Chart no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2002 Report Share Posted May 24, 2002 Hello Margarita, Thank you for your reply. Margarita, If Venus is stronger for death because of more involvement, it would open up a whole new way to look at chart analysis which would be good for me as I never looked or approached the chart that way. It is very interesting way and approach. For an event like death, its also very important to identify the Mahadasa as it would kinda dictate atleast how long will a person live. I could not figure out why Moons Mahadasa did not give death ? Why was Mars Mahadasa chosen ? We shall wait for Krushnaji to get back to us. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello asham, > I think Venus is stronger for death than Saturn. She is > also lord of B and E and in C, so more involved in the > matter. I also thought looking at the 1st as B and then > Venus is in the 12th. So this could justify the role she > plays but I understand your question and agree that if I > had to guess the date of death Saturn could also have been > a choice. We will wait and see what Krushna can tell us. > Best regards > Margarita > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > Friday, May 24, 2002 4:32 AM > > Chart 47 - Attempt > > Dear Krushnaji and list members, > I am attempting Chart 47. > > 1) At first glance Jupiter and Mars are in Parivartan. > 2) Mars is in 3rd house with 4 points. > 3) 6th lord Jupiter has become very powerful due to Shani. > Because > Guru is 6th lord, Shani cannot become samdharmi to it. > > Death can take place in the Mahadasa of 3rd lord or its > samdharmi. > Mars, Moon and Rahu (Jupiter and Venus) are Samdharmis and > 3rd lord > is Guru. > > The native was born in Venus Mahadasa and it was followed > by Sun and > Moons Mahadasa. > > **************************************************** > Why did the death not take place in Moons Mahadasa ? > Moon is in 3rd house and it is with 6 points in SAV > > Is it because Moon is LOD for 1st house ? > **************************************************** > > Shani and Venus are natural samdhamis and also functional > samdharmis > in the chart as both are together in Navamsa. > > Shani and Venus are lords of D and E for 8th house and > hence in their > antra are eager to give results. > > Venus is also LOE for 3rd house so I am lost here as why > would the > antra of Shani give death as it is in 5th house and its > antra comes > before Venus ... > > I have not followed something correctly. > > Please correct my misunderstandings. > > Thanking you, > Ash > > > > > > , " krushanain " > <krushanain> > wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Here I give some charts, for the event of Death. > This will > > also explain how samdharmi works. > > Chart no(34) D.O.B. 30th Dec 1879 time 1:20 am IST (GMT + > 5.5) > > Place 9N50, 078E15 Ayanansha 21:10:22 > > Death on 15th April 1950 > > > > Chart no 35: D.O.B. 31st Jan 1896 Time 05:07 am IST ( GMT > +5.5) > > 22N00, 73E16 ayanansha 21:23:50 Death in Rahu Mars Sub > ( correct > > date not available) > > > > Chart no 47: D.O.B. 2nd Nov 1935 Time 05:40 AM IST (GMT > +5.5) > > 13N28, 077E32 ayanansha 077E32 Death in Mars main Venus > sub ( date > > not known) > > > > Chart no 44: D.O.B. 4th April 1948 at 05:25 AM IST (GMT > +5.5) > > 26N18, 073E04 Ayanansha 22:07:30 Death in Rahu main > Saturn Sub) > > > > If these problems are solved, members will get > the idea > how > > samdharmi acts. > > I am going out for 2 days. > > krushna > > > > > > > > Chart no > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Hello Ash, You raised a very interesting question about the maha dasha. Well Krushna gave these charts to see how samdharmi works but of course there is the question of the mainlord. Personally I think that there must be some basic " rules " that determines the lifespan. We have seen similar rules about marriage (early, delayed) so there must be some rules about longevity. I have not done research in this matter although I think this would be very important, death being, together with marriage some very important events in life (marriage being stepping in social life, death stepping out of it). Not knowing the basic rules about longevity it will be difficult to determine the right maha dasha especially when more lords can come forward. As to chart 47, I think short life is indicated anyway. Here is how I see this. Moon is lord of A for the 3th, so " life giving " but placed in house A for death, so " death giving " . She is poorly placed with Mars who is lord of the 12th taking the 3th as B. In navamsha Moon is also spoiled by Mars and Saturn. So Moon becomes weak karaka for life as well for death. Saturn as NK for the 3th is strong in rashi and navamsha, so perhaps Moon dasha was a bit too early to give death because Saturn was giving protection ??? Looking at the 1st for health and well being we see that Venus is in the 12th, so this is not good. Jupiter is lord of the 6th in this chart. He has low points but nevertheless has malefic sight on the 6th (health), the 8th (death) and on the 10th (house A for the 3th = life) so this is not a good omen either. Of course, this doesn't answer your question about Moon maha dasha in a satisfactory manner; In mails dated 3th and 5th of October 2000, Krushna gave some " hints " : we have to look at houses A,B and C and death does not come in 1st or 2nd sub of strong significator (so maha dasha also enters here), but he didn't give more specifications so perhaps you can read that mail. Perhaps I will pick up all the death charts I have and then look (through the eyes of AV system) to find some constant rules that applies. Best regards Margarita ashsam73 [ashsam73] Friday, May 24, 2002 6:40 PM Re: Chart 47 - Attempt Hello Margarita, Thank you for your reply. Margarita, If Venus is stronger for death because of more involvement, it would open up a whole new way to look at chart analysis which would be good for me as I never looked or approached the chart that way. It is very interesting way and approach. For an event like death, its also very important to identify the Mahadasa as it would kinda dictate atleast how long will a person live. I could not figure out why Moons Mahadasa did not give death ? Why was Mars Mahadasa chosen ? We shall wait for Krushnaji to get back to us. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello asham, > I think Venus is stronger for death than Saturn. She is > also lord of B and E and in C, so more involved in the > matter. I also thought looking at the 1st as B and then > Venus is in the 12th. So this could justify the role she > plays but I understand your question and agree that if I > had to guess the date of death Saturn could also have been > a choice. We will wait and see what Krushna can tell us. > Best regards > Margarita > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > Friday, May 24, 2002 4:32 AM > > Chart 47 - Attempt > > Dear Krushnaji and list members, > I am attempting Chart 47. > > 1) At first glance Jupiter and Mars are in Parivartan. > 2) Mars is in 3rd house with 4 points. > 3) 6th lord Jupiter has become very powerful due to Shani. > Because > Guru is 6th lord, Shani cannot become samdharmi to it. > > Death can take place in the Mahadasa of 3rd lord or its > samdharmi. > Mars, Moon and Rahu (Jupiter and Venus) are Samdharmis and > 3rd lord > is Guru. > > The native was born in Venus Mahadasa and it was followed > by Sun and > Moons Mahadasa. > > **************************************************** > Why did the death not take place in Moons Mahadasa ? > Moon is in 3rd house and it is with 6 points in SAV > > Is it because Moon is LOD for 1st house ? > **************************************************** > > Shani and Venus are natural samdhamis and also functional > samdharmis > in the chart as both are together in Navamsa. > > Shani and Venus are lords of D and E for 8th house and > hence in their > antra are eager to give results. > > Venus is also LOE for 3rd house so I am lost here as why > would the > antra of Shani give death as it is in 5th house and its > antra comes > before Venus ... > > I have not followed something correctly. > > Please correct my misunderstandings. > > Thanking you, > Ash > > > > > > , " krushanain " > <krushanain> > wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Here I give some charts, for the event of Death. > This will > > also explain how samdharmi works. > > Chart no(34) D.O.B. 30th Dec 1879 time 1:20 am IST (GMT + > 5.5) > > Place 9N50, 078E15 Ayanansha 21:10:22 > > Death on 15th April 1950 > > > > Chart no 35: D.O.B. 31st Jan 1896 Time 05:07 am IST ( GMT > +5.5) > > 22N00, 73E16 ayanansha 21:23:50 Death in Rahu Mars Sub > ( correct > > date not available) > > > > Chart no 47: D.O.B. 2nd Nov 1935 Time 05:40 AM IST (GMT > +5.5) > > 13N28, 077E32 ayanansha 077E32 Death in Mars main Venus > sub ( date > > not known) > > > > Chart no 44: D.O.B. 4th April 1948 at 05:25 AM IST (GMT > +5.5) > > 26N18, 073E04 Ayanansha 22:07:30 Death in Rahu main > Saturn Sub) > > > > If these problems are solved, members will get > the idea > how > > samdharmi acts. > > I am going out for 2 days. > > krushna > > > > > > > > Chart no > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 Dear Margarita and Ash, You both had a very good discussion. For any chart, considering the death, which is very important event, the role of Mahadasha swami is important. The mahadasha swami (Main Dasha Lord) should not have it's sight on the A.B.C house. Here Jupiter is lord of house A, and it have it's sight on B, So Jupiter can not give the result. Mow any planet situated in 3rd house with more points can come forward. Here we have Moon, Mars and Rahu. Moon is with more points, but it's situation with Rahu changes it's nature. It is with in 3 degrees from Rahu. Venus here is lord of house E and is situated in 10th place from 3rd house. It is with 4 points, but being lord of E, it gets points from Moon and Mars. Such Moon afflicted by Rahu, can not give important result. So no death in Moon main period. Now mars which is with 4 points can work on both the sides. Also Mars is samdharmi to Moon. Second thing Moon is also lord of house A, so karak for longevity. Mars is 12th lord in both the cases (for 3rd house and also 8th house) So 12th lord for 3rd house, can give adverse result for longevity. Now considering the sub lord, Venus is having highest points ( considering Points of Moon and Mars being in 4th place becames 19+15=34) (Rule: lord of D or E if are with 4 points can take the points of the planets in 4th place) So not including the points of Mars( 12th lord ) Venus becames powerful lord. Again if we consider Jupiter, as it is having it's sight on 8th house, it will not come forward to give the result. Here sun can come forward. Rahu's main period is also able to give the result, but Mars main is earlier to Rahu's main. For ascertaing the death period, If all the planets have more points for 8th house, means earli death. Points with 12 points can work on both the sides. So if all planets are with more points above 13 then death may be at early age. If two planets are with less points then medium age say below 50 years. If 4 planets are with 12 or less then 12 then say about 50 to 70 years. If more then 4 planets are with 12 or less then 12 points, more longevity. Here we can exclude the planets having sight on the ABC houses. If more planets are situated in 2nd, 6th and 9th house, again can give more longevity. For Jupiter, Saturn and Mars, we can have additional houses. Finding the event like Death is a delicate topic. So one should avoid calculating for a live person. For study purpose we can discuss chart of a dead person. krushna , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Ash, > You raised a very interesting question about the maha > dasha. Well Krushna gave these charts to see how samdharmi > works but of course there is the question of the mainlord. > Personally I think that there must be some basic " rules " > that determines the lifespan. We have seen similar rules > about marriage (early, delayed) so there must be some rules > about longevity. I have not done research in this matter > although I think this would be very important, death being, > together with marriage some very important events in life > (marriage being stepping in social life, death stepping out > of it). > Not knowing the basic rules about longevity it will be > difficult to determine the right maha dasha especially when > more lords can come forward. > As to chart 47, I think short life is indicated anyway. > Here is how I see this. > Moon is lord of A for the 3th, so " life giving " but placed > in house A for death, so " death giving " . She is poorly > placed with Mars who is lord of the 12th taking the 3th as > B. In navamsha Moon is also spoiled by Mars and Saturn. So > Moon becomes weak karaka for life as well for death. Saturn > as NK for the 3th is strong in rashi and navamsha, so > perhaps Moon dasha was a bit too early to give death > because Saturn was giving protection ??? > Looking at the 1st for health and well being we see that > Venus is in the 12th, so this is not good. > Jupiter is lord of the 6th in this chart. He has low points > but nevertheless has malefic sight on the 6th (health), the > 8th (death) and on the 10th (house A for the 3th = life) so > this is not a good omen either. > Of course, this doesn't answer your question about Moon > maha dasha in a satisfactory manner; In mails dated 3th > and 5th of October 2000, Krushna gave some " hints " : we > have to look at houses A,B and C and death does not come > in 1st or 2nd sub of strong significator (so maha dasha > also enters here), but he didn't give more specifications > so perhaps you can read that mail. Perhaps I will pick up > all the death charts I have and then look (through the > eyes of AV system) to find some constant rules that > applies. > Best regards > Margarita > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > Friday, May 24, 2002 6:40 PM > > Re: Chart 47 - Attempt > > Hello Margarita, > > Thank you for your reply. Margarita, If Venus is stronger > for death > because of more involvement, it would open up a whole new > way to look > at chart analysis which would be good for me as I never > looked or > approached the chart that way. It is very interesting way > and > approach. > > For an event like death, its also very important to > identify the > Mahadasa as it would kinda dictate atleast how long will a > person > live. I could not figure out why Moons Mahadasa did not > give > death ? Why was Mars Mahadasa chosen ? > > We shall wait for Krushnaji to get back to us. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " dmlettens " > <dmlettens@s...> > wrote: > > Hello asham, > > I think Venus is stronger for death than Saturn. She is > > also lord of B and E and in C, so more involved in the > > matter. I also thought looking at the 1st as B and then > > Venus is in the 12th. So this could justify the role she > > plays but I understand your question and agree that if I > > had to guess the date of death Saturn could also have > been > > a choice. We will wait and see what Krushna can tell us. > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > > Friday, May 24, 2002 4:32 AM > > > > Chart 47 - Attempt > > > > Dear Krushnaji and list members, > > I am attempting Chart 47. > > > > 1) At first glance Jupiter and Mars are in Parivartan. > > 2) Mars is in 3rd house with 4 points. > > 3) 6th lord Jupiter has become very powerful due to > Shani. > > Because > > Guru is 6th lord, Shani cannot become samdharmi to it. > > > > Death can take place in the Mahadasa of 3rd lord or its > > samdharmi. > > Mars, Moon and Rahu (Jupiter and Venus) are Samdharmis > and > > 3rd lord > > is Guru. > > > > The native was born in Venus Mahadasa and it was followed > > by Sun and > > Moons Mahadasa. > > > > **************************************************** > > Why did the death not take place in Moons Mahadasa ? > > Moon is in 3rd house and it is with 6 points in SAV > > > > Is it because Moon is LOD for 1st house ? > > **************************************************** > > > > Shani and Venus are natural samdhamis and also functional > > samdharmis > > in the chart as both are together in Navamsa. > > > > Shani and Venus are lords of D and E for 8th house and > > hence in their > > antra are eager to give results. > > > > Venus is also LOE for 3rd house so I am lost here as why > > would the > > antra of Shani give death as it is in 5th house and its > > antra comes > > before Venus ... > > > > I have not followed something correctly. > > > > Please correct my misunderstandings. > > > > Thanking you, > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " krushanain " > > <krushanain> > > wrote: > > > Dear Members, > > > Here I give some charts, for the event of Death. > > This will > > > also explain how samdharmi works. > > > Chart no(34) D.O.B. 30th Dec 1879 time 1:20 am IST (GMT > + > > 5.5) > > > Place 9N50, 078E15 Ayanansha 21:10:22 > > > Death on 15th April 1950 > > > > > > Chart no 35: D.O.B. 31st Jan 1896 Time 05:07 am IST ( > GMT > > +5.5) > > > 22N00, 73E16 ayanansha 21:23:50 Death in Rahu Mars Sub > > ( correct > > > date not available) > > > > > > Chart no 47: D.O.B. 2nd Nov 1935 Time 05:40 AM IST > (GMT > > +5.5) > > > 13N28, 077E32 ayanansha 077E32 Death in Mars main > Venus > > sub ( date > > > not known) > > > > > > Chart no 44: D.O.B. 4th April 1948 at 05:25 AM IST (GMT > > +5.5) > > > 26N18, 073E04 Ayanansha 22:07:30 Death in Rahu main > > Saturn Sub) > > > > > > If these problems are solved, members will > get > > the idea > > how > > > samdharmi acts. > > > I am going out for 2 days. > > > krushna > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart no > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 Dear Ash, Regarding your questions I have answered about Moon. krushna , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear Krushnaji and list members, > I am attempting Chart 47. > > 1) At first glance Jupiter and Mars are in Parivartan. > 2) Mars is in 3rd house with 4 points. > 3) 6th lord Jupiter has become very powerful due to Shani. Because > Guru is 6th lord, Shani cannot become samdharmi to it. > > Death can take place in the Mahadasa of 3rd lord or its samdharmi. > Mars, Moon and Rahu (Jupiter and Venus) are Samdharmis and 3rd lord > is Guru. > > The native was born in Venus Mahadasa and it was followed by Sun and > Moons Mahadasa. > > **************************************************** > Why did the death not take place in Moons Mahadasa ? > Moon is in 3rd house and it is with 6 points in SAV > > Is it because Moon is LOD for 1st house ? > **************************************************** > > Shani and Venus are natural samdhamis and also functional samdharmis > in the chart as both are together in Navamsa. > > Shani and Venus are lords of D and E for 8th house and hence in their > antra are eager to give results. > > Venus is also LOE for 3rd house so I am lost here as why would the > antra of Shani give death as it is in 5th house and its antra comes > before Venus ... > > I have not followed something correctly. > > Please correct my misunderstandings. > > Thanking you, > Ash > > > > > > , " krushanain " <krushanain> > wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Here I give some charts, for the event of Death. This will > > also explain how samdharmi works. > > Chart no(34) D.O.B. 30th Dec 1879 time 1:20 am IST (GMT + 5.5) > > Place 9N50, 078E15 Ayanansha 21:10:22 > > Death on 15th April 1950 > > > > Chart no 35: D.O.B. 31st Jan 1896 Time 05:07 am IST ( GMT +5.5) > > 22N00, 73E16 ayanansha 21:23:50 Death in Rahu Mars Sub ( correct > > date not available) > > > > Chart no 47: D.O.B. 2nd Nov 1935 Time 05:40 AM IST (GMT +5.5) > > 13N28, 077E32 ayanansha 077E32 Death in Mars main Venus sub ( date > > not known) > > > > Chart no 44: D.O.B. 4th April 1948 at 05:25 AM IST (GMT +5.5) > > 26N18, 073E04 Ayanansha 22:07:30 Death in Rahu main Saturn Sub) > > > > If these problems are solved, members will get the idea > how > > samdharmi acts. > > I am going out for 2 days. > > krushna > > > > > > > > Chart no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 Thank you so much Krushna for these very interesting comments; I will see how they work with the other charts I have to get the feel of them. Best regards Margarita krushanain [krushanain] Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:37 PM Re: Chart 47 - Attempt Dear Margarita and Ash, You both had a very good discussion. For any chart, considering the death, which is very important event, the role of Mahadasha swami is important. The mahadasha swami (Main Dasha Lord) should not have it's sight on the A.B.C house. Here Jupiter is lord of house A, and it have it's sight on B, So Jupiter can not give the result. Mow any planet situated in 3rd house with more points can come forward. Here we have Moon, Mars and Rahu. Moon is with more points, but it's situation with Rahu changes it's nature. It is with in 3 degrees from Rahu. Venus here is lord of house E and is situated in 10th place from 3rd house. It is with 4 points, but being lord of E, it gets points from Moon and Mars. Such Moon afflicted by Rahu, can not give important result. So no death in Moon main period. Now mars which is with 4 points can work on both the sides. Also Mars is samdharmi to Moon. Second thing Moon is also lord of house A, so karak for longevity. Mars is 12th lord in both the cases (for 3rd house and also 8th house) So 12th lord for 3rd house, can give adverse result for longevity. Now considering the sub lord, Venus is having highest points ( considering Points of Moon and Mars being in 4th place becames 19+15=34) (Rule: lord of D or E if are with 4 points can take the points of the planets in 4th place) So not including the points of Mars( 12th lord ) Venus becames powerful lord. Again if we consider Jupiter, as it is having it's sight on 8th house, it will not come forward to give the result. Here sun can come forward. Rahu's main period is also able to give the result, but Mars main is earlier to Rahu's main. For ascertaing the death period, If all the planets have more points for 8th house, means earli death. Points with 12 points can work on both the sides. So if all planets are with more points above 13 then death may be at early age. If two planets are with less points then medium age say below 50 years. If 4 planets are with 12 or less then 12 then say about 50 to 70 years. If more then 4 planets are with 12 or less then 12 points, more longevity. Here we can exclude the planets having sight on the ABC houses. If more planets are situated in 2nd, 6th and 9th house, again can give more longevity. For Jupiter, Saturn and Mars, we can have additional houses. Finding the event like Death is a delicate topic. So one should avoid calculating for a live person. For study purpose we can discuss chart of a dead person. krushna , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Ash, > You raised a very interesting question about the maha > dasha. Well Krushna gave these charts to see how samdharmi > works but of course there is the question of the mainlord. > Personally I think that there must be some basic " rules " > that determines the lifespan. We have seen similar rules > about marriage (early, delayed) so there must be some rules > about longevity. I have not done research in this matter > although I think this would be very important, death being, > together with marriage some very important events in life > (marriage being stepping in social life, death stepping out > of it). > Not knowing the basic rules about longevity it will be > difficult to determine the right maha dasha especially when > more lords can come forward. > As to chart 47, I think short life is indicated anyway. > Here is how I see this. > Moon is lord of A for the 3th, so " life giving " but placed > in house A for death, so " death giving " . She is poorly > placed with Mars who is lord of the 12th taking the 3th as > B. In navamsha Moon is also spoiled by Mars and Saturn. So > Moon becomes weak karaka for life as well for death. Saturn > as NK for the 3th is strong in rashi and navamsha, so > perhaps Moon dasha was a bit too early to give death > because Saturn was giving protection ??? > Looking at the 1st for health and well being we see that > Venus is in the 12th, so this is not good. > Jupiter is lord of the 6th in this chart. He has low points > but nevertheless has malefic sight on the 6th (health), the > 8th (death) and on the 10th (house A for the 3th = life) so > this is not a good omen either. > Of course, this doesn't answer your question about Moon > maha dasha in a satisfactory manner; In mails dated 3th > and 5th of October 2000, Krushna gave some " hints " : we > have to look at houses A,B and C and death does not come > in 1st or 2nd sub of strong significator (so maha dasha > also enters here), but he didn't give more specifications > so perhaps you can read that mail. Perhaps I will pick up > all the death charts I have and then look (through the > eyes of AV system) to find some constant rules that > applies. > Best regards > Margarita > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > Friday, May 24, 2002 6:40 PM > > Re: Chart 47 - Attempt > > Hello Margarita, > > Thank you for your reply. Margarita, If Venus is stronger > for death > because of more involvement, it would open up a whole new > way to look > at chart analysis which would be good for me as I never > looked or > approached the chart that way. It is very interesting way > and > approach. > > For an event like death, its also very important to > identify the > Mahadasa as it would kinda dictate atleast how long will a > person > live. I could not figure out why Moons Mahadasa did not > give > death ? Why was Mars Mahadasa chosen ? > > We shall wait for Krushnaji to get back to us. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " dmlettens " > <dmlettens@s...> > wrote: > > Hello asham, > > I think Venus is stronger for death than Saturn. She is > > also lord of B and E and in C, so more involved in the > > matter. I also thought looking at the 1st as B and then > > Venus is in the 12th. So this could justify the role she > > plays but I understand your question and agree that if I > > had to guess the date of death Saturn could also have > been > > a choice. We will wait and see what Krushna can tell us. > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > > Friday, May 24, 2002 4:32 AM > > > > Chart 47 - Attempt > > > > Dear Krushnaji and list members, > > I am attempting Chart 47. > > > > 1) At first glance Jupiter and Mars are in Parivartan. > > 2) Mars is in 3rd house with 4 points. > > 3) 6th lord Jupiter has become very powerful due to > Shani. > > Because > > Guru is 6th lord, Shani cannot become samdharmi to it. > > > > Death can take place in the Mahadasa of 3rd lord or its > > samdharmi. > > Mars, Moon and Rahu (Jupiter and Venus) are Samdharmis > and > > 3rd lord > > is Guru. > > > > The native was born in Venus Mahadasa and it was followed > > by Sun and > > Moons Mahadasa. > > > > **************************************************** > > Why did the death not take place in Moons Mahadasa ? > > Moon is in 3rd house and it is with 6 points in SAV > > > > Is it because Moon is LOD for 1st house ? > > **************************************************** > > > > Shani and Venus are natural samdhamis and also functional > > samdharmis > > in the chart as both are together in Navamsa. > > > > Shani and Venus are lords of D and E for 8th house and > > hence in their > > antra are eager to give results. > > > > Venus is also LOE for 3rd house so I am lost here as why > > would the > > antra of Shani give death as it is in 5th house and its > > antra comes > > before Venus ... > > > > I have not followed something correctly. > > > > Please correct my misunderstandings. > > > > Thanking you, > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " krushanain " > > <krushanain> > > wrote: > > > Dear Members, > > > Here I give some charts, for the event of Death. > > This will > > > also explain how samdharmi works. > > > Chart no(34) D.O.B. 30th Dec 1879 time 1:20 am IST (GMT > + > > 5.5) > > > Place 9N50, 078E15 Ayanansha 21:10:22 > > > Death on 15th April 1950 > > > > > > Chart no 35: D.O.B. 31st Jan 1896 Time 05:07 am IST ( > GMT > > +5.5) > > > 22N00, 73E16 ayanansha 21:23:50 Death in Rahu Mars Sub > > ( correct > > > date not available) > > > > > > Chart no 47: D.O.B. 2nd Nov 1935 Time 05:40 AM IST > (GMT > > +5.5) > > > 13N28, 077E32 ayanansha 077E32 Death in Mars main > Venus > > sub ( date > > > not known) > > > > > > Chart no 44: D.O.B. 4th April 1948 at 05:25 AM IST (GMT > > +5.5) > > > 26N18, 073E04 Ayanansha 22:07:30 Death in Rahu main > > Saturn Sub) > > > > > > If these problems are solved, members will > get > > the idea > > how > > > samdharmi acts. > > > I am going out for 2 days. > > > krushna > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart no > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 Dear Krushnaji, Thank you for your detailed guidance. I shall try to comprehend these laws and try to apply them. You are correct about pointing out the prediction of death as a delicate topic. Atleast I get very uncomfortable with the topic of Death due to my little knowledge. Its very interesting to see how Rahu can hold Moon back in its Mahadasa from giving results of death. This could be treated like a blessing in disguise (depends on how one looks at it). You have advised us to compute the longitivity as low/medium/long. This I would assume would be based on the average life expectancy depending on the country one is in. Low : If all planets are having high points for 8th house Medium : if 2 planets are with low points High : if 4 or more planets are with low points. This is excluding planets that aspect A,B and C house. i.e. 3rd, 8th and 12th house. Just like we predict Marriage and we use Shani to idenfity if there is delay or early marriage and SAV (for 0 points) could we use these points as bench marks. eg. if there are 3 planets with weak points so according to these calculatoin the age would be Medium. Assume for a country the life expectancy is say 90 years. So Medium could be 30-60 years. So we should start to examine the Mahadasa after 30 years and then try to predict the antar dasa assumning the Mahadasa is linked to 3rd lord, in 3rd house with more points or samdharmi to 3rd lord. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " krushanain " <krushanain> wrote: > Dear Margarita and Ash, > You both had a very good discussion. For any chart, > considering the death, which is very important event, the role of > Mahadasha swami is important. The mahadasha swami (Main Dasha Lord) > should not have it's sight on the A.B.C house. Here Jupiter is lord > of house A, and it have it's sight on B, So Jupiter can not give the > result. Mow any planet situated in 3rd house with more points can > come forward. Here we have Moon, Mars and Rahu. Moon is with more > points, but it's situation with Rahu changes it's nature. It is with > in 3 degrees from Rahu. Venus here is lord of house E and is situated > in 10th place from 3rd house. It is with 4 points, but being lord of > E, it gets points from Moon and Mars. > Such Moon afflicted by Rahu, can not give important > result. So no death in Moon main period. Now mars which is with 4 > points can work on both the sides. Also Mars is samdharmi to Moon. > Second thing Moon is also lord of house A, so karak for longevity. > Mars is 12th lord in both the cases (for 3rd house and also 8th > house) So 12th lord for 3rd house, can give adverse result for > longevity. > Now considering the sub lord, Venus is having highest > points ( considering Points of Moon and Mars being in 4th place > becames 19+15=34) (Rule: lord of D or E if are with 4 points can take > the points of the planets in 4th place) So not including the points > of Mars( 12th lord ) Venus becames powerful lord. > Again if we consider Jupiter, as it is having it's sight on > 8th house, it will not come forward to give the result. Here sun can > come forward. > Rahu's main period is also able to give the result, but > Mars main is earlier to Rahu's main. > For ascertaing the death period, If all the planets have > more points for 8th house, means earli death. Points with 12 points > can work on both the sides. So if all planets are with more points > above 13 then death may be at early age. If two planets are with less > points then medium age say below 50 years. If 4 planets are with 12 > or less then 12 then say about 50 to 70 years. If more then 4 planets > are with 12 or less then 12 points, more longevity. Here we can > exclude the planets having sight on the ABC houses. > If more planets are situated in 2nd, 6th and 9th house, > again can give more longevity. For Jupiter, Saturn and Mars, we can > have additional houses. > Finding the event like Death is a delicate topic. So one > should avoid calculating for a live person. For study purpose we can > discuss chart of a dead person. > krushna > > > , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> > wrote: > > Hello Ash, > > You raised a very interesting question about the maha > > dasha. Well Krushna gave these charts to see how samdharmi > > works but of course there is the question of the mainlord. > > Personally I think that there must be some basic " rules " > > that determines the lifespan. We have seen similar rules > > about marriage (early, delayed) so there must be some rules > > about longevity. I have not done research in this matter > > although I think this would be very important, death being, > > together with marriage some very important events in life > > (marriage being stepping in social life, death stepping out > > of it). > > Not knowing the basic rules about longevity it will be > > difficult to determine the right maha dasha especially when > > more lords can come forward. > > As to chart 47, I think short life is indicated anyway. > > Here is how I see this. > > Moon is lord of A for the 3th, so " life giving " but placed > > in house A for death, so " death giving " . She is poorly > > placed with Mars who is lord of the 12th taking the 3th as > > B. In navamsha Moon is also spoiled by Mars and Saturn. So > > Moon becomes weak karaka for life as well for death. Saturn > > as NK for the 3th is strong in rashi and navamsha, so > > perhaps Moon dasha was a bit too early to give death > > because Saturn was giving protection ??? > > Looking at the 1st for health and well being we see that > > Venus is in the 12th, so this is not good. > > Jupiter is lord of the 6th in this chart. He has low points > > but nevertheless has malefic sight on the 6th (health), the > > 8th (death) and on the 10th (house A for the 3th = life) so > > this is not a good omen either. > > Of course, this doesn't answer your question about Moon > > maha dasha in a satisfactory manner; In mails dated 3th > > and 5th of October 2000, Krushna gave some " hints " : we > > have to look at houses A,B and C and death does not come > > in 1st or 2nd sub of strong significator (so maha dasha > > also enters here), but he didn't give more specifications > > so perhaps you can read that mail. Perhaps I will pick up > > all the death charts I have and then look (through the > > eyes of AV system) to find some constant rules that > > applies. > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > > Friday, May 24, 2002 6:40 PM > > > > Re: Chart 47 - Attempt > > > > Hello Margarita, > > > > Thank you for your reply. Margarita, If Venus is stronger > > for death > > because of more involvement, it would open up a whole new > > way to look > > at chart analysis which would be good for me as I never > > looked or > > approached the chart that way. It is very interesting way > > and > > approach. > > > > For an event like death, its also very important to > > identify the > > Mahadasa as it would kinda dictate atleast how long will a > > person > > live. I could not figure out why Moons Mahadasa did not > > give > > death ? Why was Mars Mahadasa chosen ? > > > > We shall wait for Krushnaji to get back to us. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " dmlettens " > > <dmlettens@s...> > > wrote: > > > Hello asham, > > > I think Venus is stronger for death than Saturn. She is > > > also lord of B and E and in C, so more involved in the > > > matter. I also thought looking at the 1st as B and then > > > Venus is in the 12th. So this could justify the role she > > > plays but I understand your question and agree that if I > > > had to guess the date of death Saturn could also have > > been > > > a choice. We will wait and see what Krushna can tell us. > > > Best regards > > > Margarita > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > > > Friday, May 24, 2002 4:32 AM > > > > > > Chart 47 - Attempt > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji and list members, > > > I am attempting Chart 47. > > > > > > 1) At first glance Jupiter and Mars are in Parivartan. > > > 2) Mars is in 3rd house with 4 points. > > > 3) 6th lord Jupiter has become very powerful due to > > Shani. > > > Because > > > Guru is 6th lord, Shani cannot become samdharmi to it. > > > > > > Death can take place in the Mahadasa of 3rd lord or its > > > samdharmi. > > > Mars, Moon and Rahu (Jupiter and Venus) are Samdharmis > > and > > > 3rd lord > > > is Guru. > > > > > > The native was born in Venus Mahadasa and it was followed > > > by Sun and > > > Moons Mahadasa. > > > > > > **************************************************** > > > Why did the death not take place in Moons Mahadasa ? > > > Moon is in 3rd house and it is with 6 points in SAV > > > > > > Is it because Moon is LOD for 1st house ? > > > **************************************************** > > > > > > Shani and Venus are natural samdhamis and also functional > > > samdharmis > > > in the chart as both are together in Navamsa. > > > > > > Shani and Venus are lords of D and E for 8th house and > > > hence in their > > > antra are eager to give results. > > > > > > Venus is also LOE for 3rd house so I am lost here as why > > > would the > > > antra of Shani give death as it is in 5th house and its > > > antra comes > > > before Venus ... > > > > > > I have not followed something correctly. > > > > > > Please correct my misunderstandings. > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " krushanain " > > > <krushanain> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Here I give some charts, for the event of Death. > > > This will > > > > also explain how samdharmi works. > > > > Chart no(34) D.O.B. 30th Dec 1879 time 1:20 am IST (GMT > > + > > > 5.5) > > > > Place 9N50, 078E15 Ayanansha 21:10:22 > > > > Death on 15th April 1950 > > > > > > > > Chart no 35: D.O.B. 31st Jan 1896 Time 05:07 am IST ( > > GMT > > > +5.5) > > > > 22N00, 73E16 ayanansha 21:23:50 Death in Rahu Mars Sub > > > ( correct > > > > date not available) > > > > > > > > Chart no 47: D.O.B. 2nd Nov 1935 Time 05:40 AM IST > > (GMT > > > +5.5) > > > > 13N28, 077E32 ayanansha 077E32 Death in Mars main > > Venus > > > sub ( date > > > > not known) > > > > > > > > Chart no 44: D.O.B. 4th April 1948 at 05:25 AM IST (GMT > > > +5.5) > > > > 26N18, 073E04 Ayanansha 22:07:30 Death in Rahu main > > > Saturn Sub) > > > > > > > > If these problems are solved, members will > > get > > > the idea > > > how > > > > samdharmi acts. > > > > I am going out for 2 days. > > > > krushna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart no > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 Dear Krushnaji, Thank you for your answer. Yes I got your answer in your previous mail. It will take some time for me to fully understand and grasp the deep meanings fo your words. Slowly but surely :=) Thank you so much, Cheers !!! Ash , " krushanain " <krushanain> wrote: > Dear Ash, > Regarding your questions I have answered about Moon. > krushna > > , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> > wrote: > > Dear Krushnaji and list members, > > I am attempting Chart 47. > > > > 1) At first glance Jupiter and Mars are in Parivartan. > > 2) Mars is in 3rd house with 4 points. > > 3) 6th lord Jupiter has become very powerful due to Shani. Because > > Guru is 6th lord, Shani cannot become samdharmi to it. > > > > Death can take place in the Mahadasa of 3rd lord or its samdharmi. > > Mars, Moon and Rahu (Jupiter and Venus) are Samdharmis and 3rd lord > > is Guru. > > > > The native was born in Venus Mahadasa and it was followed by Sun > and > > Moons Mahadasa. > > > > **************************************************** > > Why did the death not take place in Moons Mahadasa ? > > Moon is in 3rd house and it is with 6 points in SAV > > > > Is it because Moon is LOD for 1st house ? > > **************************************************** > > > > Shani and Venus are natural samdhamis and also functional > samdharmis > > in the chart as both are together in Navamsa. > > > > Shani and Venus are lords of D and E for 8th house and hence in > their > > antra are eager to give results. > > > > Venus is also LOE for 3rd house so I am lost here as why would the > > antra of Shani give death as it is in 5th house and its antra comes > > before Venus ... > > > > I have not followed something correctly. > > > > Please correct my misunderstandings. > > > > Thanking you, > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " krushanain " > <krushanain> > > wrote: > > > Dear Members, > > > Here I give some charts, for the event of Death. This will > > > also explain how samdharmi works. > > > Chart no(34) D.O.B. 30th Dec 1879 time 1:20 am IST (GMT + 5.5) > > > Place 9N50, 078E15 Ayanansha 21:10:22 > > > Death on 15th April 1950 > > > > > > Chart no 35: D.O.B. 31st Jan 1896 Time 05:07 am IST ( GMT +5.5) > > > 22N00, 73E16 ayanansha 21:23:50 Death in Rahu Mars Sub ( correct > > > date not available) > > > > > > Chart no 47: D.O.B. 2nd Nov 1935 Time 05:40 AM IST (GMT +5.5) > > > 13N28, 077E32 ayanansha 077E32 Death in Mars main Venus sub ( > date > > > not known) > > > > > > Chart no 44: D.O.B. 4th April 1948 at 05:25 AM IST (GMT +5.5) > > > 26N18, 073E04 Ayanansha 22:07:30 Death in Rahu main Saturn Sub) > > > > > > If these problems are solved, members will get the idea > > how > > > samdharmi acts. > > > I am going out for 2 days. > > > krushna > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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