Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 It has been brought to my attention by Partha that Indian astrologers are using Libra for Vajpayee's rising sign. That's more like it! He has Saturn the yogakaraka exalted in the first. It was hard to justify the Scorpio rising chart, there wasn't much strength to it. When we consider that Libra rises in the horoscope of Vajpayee, instead ofScorpio, the whole karma changes, of course, and for the better. Scorpio just doesn't have the strength to indicate a manin such a high position. Vajpayee enters the Jupiter-Saturn sub period in April of 2003. Saturn will give him support of the masses and he will win the popular election. Saturn receives the aspect of Mars from the house of war, the sixth, but he will certainly come out on top as Saturn is so, so strong. Jupiter in the third as the lord of the third gives him strong karma in relation to the armed forces, especially since Sagittarius is there. Mercury brings luck there as the lord of the ninth, a trine, and the Sun there gives him the soul of a warrior. The rising sign Libra is a masculine one, and the determined, hard-as- nails Saturn sits there. What a different picture as compared to the weak moon with Venus in the first. The true rising situation, coupled with the Sun in a warrior sign, indicates the kind of strong leader which India needs. Libra is steady and Saturn is patient. When the sub period of Saturn begins, he will have a good Jupiter transit working for him. At the very beginning, the Sun and Mars will be powerful, too. Jupiter is good because it occupies its own sign, but it has the baggage of being the sixth lord. The Saturn sub period will be different because Saturn has no blemishes- sign and lordship are as perfect as can be. In India's independence chart, the planetary periods are Venus- Saturn. They will be until the end of 2004. Venus is the ascendent lord and Saturn is also the yogakaraka in this chart, the umblemished lord. They both sit strongly in the house of the armed forces and strength, the third. In fact, there is quite a raj yoga in that chart involving the lords of both trines, the ascendent lord and the lords of two quadrants otherwise. No doubt about it, India is strong. Something will happen when Vajpayee enters the Saturnian sub period, thanksto theMartianaspect, and he and India will come out strong, that is for sure. /?yguid=40489357 Dharma/Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 Dear Dharma, For Scorpio and Libra ascendent you have justified the chart of P.M., Now try other ascendents, All suits him, and you will be able to find out similar results. With Leo ascendent : chart shows Gajkesari, Anapha, and Raj yog. With Virgo: Anafha, Dhurhura, Vasumati, Sakat, Mahapurush, and two Raj Yog. With Libra: Shubha, anafa, Dhurahura, vasumati, Sakat, Mahapurush, and Raj yog. With Scorpio: Shubha, Anafa, Dhurahura, Parvata, and Two Raj yog. This is a speciality of Our P.M. that all charts suits him. krushna , " deandddd " <0108@t...> wrote: > It has been brought to my attention by Partha that Indian astrologers > are using Libra for Vajpayee's rising sign. That's more like it! He > has Saturn the yogakaraka exalted in the first. > > It was hard to justify the Scorpio rising chart, there wasn't much > strength to it. > > When we consider that Libra rises in the horoscope of Vajpayee, > instead ofScorpio, the whole karma changes, of course, and for the > better. Scorpio just doesn't have the strength to indicate a manin > such a high position. > > Vajpayee enters the Jupiter-Saturn sub period in April of 2003. > Saturn will give him support of the masses and he will win the > popular election. Saturn receives the aspect of Mars from the house > of war, the sixth, but he will certainly come out on top as Saturn is > so, so strong. > > Jupiter in the third as the lord of the third gives him strong karma > in relation to the armed forces, especially since Sagittarius is > there. Mercury brings luck there as the lord of the ninth, a trine, > and the Sun there gives him the soul of a warrior. > > The rising sign Libra is a masculine one, and the determined, hard- as- > nails Saturn sits there. What a different picture as compared to the > weak moon with Venus in the first. The true rising situation, coupled > with the Sun in a warrior sign, indicates the kind of strong leader > which India needs. > > Libra is steady and Saturn is patient. When the sub period of Saturn > begins, he will have a good Jupiter transit working for him. At the > very beginning, the Sun and Mars will be powerful, too. > > Jupiter is good because it occupies its own sign, but it has the > baggage of being the sixth lord. The Saturn sub period will be > different because Saturn has no blemishes- sign and lordship are as > perfect as can be. > > In India's independence chart, the planetary periods are Venus- > Saturn. They will be until the end of 2004. Venus is the ascendent > lord and Saturn is also the yogakaraka in this chart, the umblemished > lord. They both sit strongly in the house of the armed forces and > strength, the third. In fact, there is quite a raj yoga in that chart > involving the lords of both trines, the ascendent lord and the lords > of two quadrants otherwise. No doubt about it, India is strong. > Something will happen when Vajpayee enters the Saturnian sub period, > thanksto theMartianaspect, and he and India will come out strong, > that is for sure. > > /?yguid=40489357 > > Dharma/Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 Respected Kruhna, What is the deeper meaning of this mail ? Perhaps people like him will not give their correct TOB because it reveals too much ? I suppose by checking specific events in his life with AV system a correct ascendent must turn up ? Best regards Margarita krushanain [krushanain] Monday, May 27, 2002 8:43 AM Re: Correction on Vajpayee Dear Dharma, For Scorpio and Libra ascendent you have justified the chart of P.M., Now try other ascendents, All suits him, and you will be able to find out similar results. With Leo ascendent : chart shows Gajkesari, Anapha, and Raj yog. With Virgo: Anafha, Dhurhura, Vasumati, Sakat, Mahapurush, and two Raj Yog. With Libra: Shubha, anafa, Dhurahura, vasumati, Sakat, Mahapurush, and Raj yog. With Scorpio: Shubha, Anafa, Dhurahura, Parvata, and Two Raj yog. This is a speciality of Our P.M. that all charts suits him. krushna , " deandddd " <0108@t...> wrote: > It has been brought to my attention by Partha that Indian astrologers > are using Libra for Vajpayee's rising sign. That's more like it! He > has Saturn the yogakaraka exalted in the first. > > It was hard to justify the Scorpio rising chart, there wasn't much > strength to it. > > When we consider that Libra rises in the horoscope of Vajpayee, > instead ofScorpio, the whole karma changes, of course, and for the > better. Scorpio just doesn't have the strength to indicate a manin > such a high position. > > Vajpayee enters the Jupiter-Saturn sub period in April of 2003. > Saturn will give him support of the masses and he will win the > popular election. Saturn receives the aspect of Mars from the house > of war, the sixth, but he will certainly come out on top as Saturn is > so, so strong. > > Jupiter in the third as the lord of the third gives him strong karma > in relation to the armed forces, especially since Sagittarius is > there. Mercury brings luck there as the lord of the ninth, a trine, > and the Sun there gives him the soul of a warrior. > > The rising sign Libra is a masculine one, and the determined, hard- as- > nails Saturn sits there. What a different picture as compared to the > weak moon with Venus in the first. The true rising situation, coupled > with the Sun in a warrior sign, indicates the kind of strong leader > which India needs. > > Libra is steady and Saturn is patient. When the sub period of Saturn > begins, he will have a good Jupiter transit working for him. At the > very beginning, the Sun and Mars will be powerful, too. > > Jupiter is good because it occupies its own sign, but it has the > baggage of being the sixth lord. The Saturn sub period will be > different because Saturn has no blemishes- sign and lordship are as > perfect as can be. > > In India's independence chart, the planetary periods are Venus- > Saturn. They will be until the end of 2004. Venus is the ascendent > lord and Saturn is also the yogakaraka in this chart, the umblemished > lord. They both sit strongly in the house of the armed forces and > strength, the third. In fact, there is quite a raj yoga in that chart > involving the lords of both trines, the ascendent lord and the lords > of two quadrants otherwise. No doubt about it, India is strong. > Something will happen when Vajpayee enters the Saturnian sub period, > thanksto theMartianaspect, and he and India will come out strong, > that is for sure. > > /?yguid=40489357 > > Dharma/Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 Dear Margarita, Yes you are correct, With out knowing the correct T.O.B. Only by placement of the planets, Justifying two charts for the samwe reason,How for it is reasonable? If we apply similar way, with some prejudice results, it can be with any chart. Will it not be? I have tried with Astakvarg for India and Pak charts, after 14th June, Matter seems to be tence, and after 9th July it may be serious. (there may be difference of 24 hours) War means Much effect on the economy of the country, ( for country like India and Pak). I never tried before, this system for Mundane. Let us wait and see. It is not much away. krushna , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Respected Kruhna, > What is the deeper meaning of this mail ? Perhaps people > like him will not give their correct TOB because it reveals > too much ? > I suppose by checking specific events in his life with AV > system a correct ascendent must turn up ? > Best regards > Margarita > > > krushanain [krushanain] > Monday, May 27, 2002 8:43 AM > > Re: Correction on > Vajpayee > > Dear Dharma, > For Scorpio and Libra ascendent you have justified > the chart > of P.M., Now try other ascendents, All suits him, and you > will be > able to find out similar results. > With Leo ascendent : chart shows Gajkesari, Anapha, > and Raj > yog. > With Virgo: Anafha, Dhurhura, Vasumati, Sakat, > Mahapurush, and > two Raj Yog. > With Libra: Shubha, anafa, Dhurahura, vasumati, > Sakat, > Mahapurush, and Raj yog. > With Scorpio: Shubha, Anafa, Dhurahura, Parvata, and > Two Raj > yog. > This is a speciality of Our P.M. that all charts > suits him. > krushna > > , " deandddd " > <0108@t...> wrote: > > It has been brought to my attention by Partha that Indian > astrologers > > are using Libra for Vajpayee's rising sign. That's more > like it! He > > has Saturn the yogakaraka exalted in the first. > > > > It was hard to justify the Scorpio rising chart, there > wasn't much > > strength to it. > > > > When we consider that Libra rises in the horoscope of > Vajpayee, > > instead ofScorpio, the whole karma changes, of course, > and for the > > better. Scorpio just doesn't have the strength to > indicate a manin > > such a high position. > > > > Vajpayee enters the Jupiter-Saturn sub period in April of > 2003. > > Saturn will give him support of the masses and he will > win the > > popular election. Saturn receives the aspect of Mars from > the house > > of war, the sixth, but he will certainly come out on top > as Saturn > is > > so, so strong. > > > > Jupiter in the third as the lord of the third gives him > strong > karma > > in relation to the armed forces, especially since > Sagittarius is > > there. Mercury brings luck there as the lord of the > ninth, a trine, > > and the Sun there gives him the soul of a warrior. > > > > The rising sign Libra is a masculine one, and the > determined, hard- > as- > > nails Saturn sits there. What a different picture as > compared to > the > > weak moon with Venus in the first. The true rising > situation, > coupled > > with the Sun in a warrior sign, indicates the kind of > strong leader > > which India needs. > > > > Libra is steady and Saturn is patient. When the sub > period of > Saturn > > begins, he will have a good Jupiter transit working for > him. At the > > very beginning, the Sun and Mars will be powerful, too. > > > > Jupiter is good because it occupies its own sign, but it > has the > > baggage of being the sixth lord. The Saturn sub period > will be > > different because Saturn has no blemishes- sign and > lordship are as > > perfect as can be. > > > > In India's independence chart, the planetary periods are > Venus- > > Saturn. They will be until the end of 2004. Venus is the > ascendent > > lord and Saturn is also the yogakaraka in this chart, the > umblemished > > lord. They both sit strongly in the house of the armed > forces and > > strength, the third. In fact, there is quite a raj yoga > in that > chart > > involving the lords of both trines, the ascendent lord > and the > lords > > of two quadrants otherwise. No doubt about it, India is > strong. > > Something will happen when Vajpayee enters the Saturnian > sub > period, > > thanksto theMartianaspect, and he and India will come out > strong, > > that is for sure. > > > > /?yguid=40489357 > > > > Dharma/Dean > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2002 Report Share Posted May 28, 2002 Yes Krushna, I agree. I have had this impression when ascendent falls between two signs, so often charts work either way . I hope that for the countries involved things will turn out in a positive way. Unfortunately, we cannot chance history ! Best regards Margarita krushanain [krushanain] Monday, May 27, 2002 9:30 PM Re: Correction on Vajpayee Dear Margarita, Yes you are correct, With out knowing the correct T.O.B. Only by placement of the planets, Justifying two charts for the samwe reason,How for it is reasonable? If we apply similar way, with some prejudice results, it can be with any chart. Will it not be? I have tried with Astakvarg for India and Pak charts, after 14th June, Matter seems to be tence, and after 9th July it may be serious. (there may be difference of 24 hours) War means Much effect on the economy of the country, ( for country like India and Pak). I never tried before, this system for Mundane. Let us wait and see. It is not much away. krushna , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Respected Kruhna, > What is the deeper meaning of this mail ? Perhaps people > like him will not give their correct TOB because it reveals > too much ? > I suppose by checking specific events in his life with AV > system a correct ascendent must turn up ? > Best regards > Margarita > > > krushanain [krushanain] > Monday, May 27, 2002 8:43 AM > > Re: Correction on > Vajpayee > > Dear Dharma, > For Scorpio and Libra ascendent you have justified > the chart > of P.M., Now try other ascendents, All suits him, and you > will be > able to find out similar results. > With Leo ascendent : chart shows Gajkesari, Anapha, > and Raj > yog. > With Virgo: Anafha, Dhurhura, Vasumati, Sakat, > Mahapurush, and > two Raj Yog. > With Libra: Shubha, anafa, Dhurahura, vasumati, > Sakat, > Mahapurush, and Raj yog. > With Scorpio: Shubha, Anafa, Dhurahura, Parvata, and > Two Raj > yog. > This is a speciality of Our P.M. that all charts > suits him. > krushna > > , " deandddd " > <0108@t...> wrote: > > It has been brought to my attention by Partha that Indian > astrologers > > are using Libra for Vajpayee's rising sign. That's more > like it! He > > has Saturn the yogakaraka exalted in the first. > > > > It was hard to justify the Scorpio rising chart, there > wasn't much > > strength to it. > > > > When we consider that Libra rises in the horoscope of > Vajpayee, > > instead ofScorpio, the whole karma changes, of course, > and for the > > better. Scorpio just doesn't have the strength to > indicate a manin > > such a high position. > > > > Vajpayee enters the Jupiter-Saturn sub period in April of > 2003. > > Saturn will give him support of the masses and he will > win the > > popular election. Saturn receives the aspect of Mars from > the house > > of war, the sixth, but he will certainly come out on top > as Saturn > is > > so, so strong. > > > > Jupiter in the third as the lord of the third gives him > strong > karma > > in relation to the armed forces, especially since > Sagittarius is > > there. Mercury brings luck there as the lord of the > ninth, a trine, > > and the Sun there gives him the soul of a warrior. > > > > The rising sign Libra is a masculine one, and the > determined, hard- > as- > > nails Saturn sits there. What a different picture as > compared to > the > > weak moon with Venus in the first. The true rising > situation, > coupled > > with the Sun in a warrior sign, indicates the kind of > strong leader > > which India needs. > > > > Libra is steady and Saturn is patient. When the sub > period of > Saturn > > begins, he will have a good Jupiter transit working for > him. At the > > very beginning, the Sun and Mars will be powerful, too. > > > > Jupiter is good because it occupies its own sign, but it > has the > > baggage of being the sixth lord. The Saturn sub period > will be > > different because Saturn has no blemishes- sign and > lordship are as > > perfect as can be. > > > > In India's independence chart, the planetary periods are > Venus- > > Saturn. They will be until the end of 2004. Venus is the > ascendent > > lord and Saturn is also the yogakaraka in this chart, the > umblemished > > lord. They both sit strongly in the house of the armed > forces and > > strength, the third. In fact, there is quite a raj yoga > in that > chart > > involving the lords of both trines, the ascendent lord > and the > lords > > of two quadrants otherwise. No doubt about it, India is > strong. > > Something will happen when Vajpayee enters the Saturnian > sub > period, > > thanksto theMartianaspect, and he and India will come out > strong, > > that is for sure. > > > > /?yguid=40489357 > > > > Dharma/Dean > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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