death chart 44

May 28, 2002

Hello Ash,

Well as to aspects of Jupiter on the 3th house, I think

this has nothing to do with the event of death because if

we begin to mix the different houses we will be lost

completely. Perhaps I am wrong, but that's how I feel about

it. In this case I reasoned that lords of D and E who are

Mercury and Saturn are most eager to give the results and

Saturn came first, he did it.

I am convinced you are doing very well; the problem is that

I am also convinced that there are other factors that

intervene with this event of death. I can of course consult

a lot of books on astrology were many laws are given but

they are wrong most of the time and just apply to the

examples given and " fit " those charts.

I have taken 4 charts of people who died young (born after

1960) 3 of them had a violent death either accident or

killed in some way and in those 3 charts the main lord was

not necessarily related to the 3th house but to the lord of

the 6th house. So I thought this interesting. 3 charts had

also very low points for the 8th house. The one who died a

natural death at age 20 should have lived long because only

the Moon could give results and this is also the sub he

died in. So this works. Perhaps it's a very complex and

complicated matter and I have to look for more charts.

Usually the FK and NK for the 1st and 3th houses are also

very weak and this seems logical. I will try to find out if

I can.

Good luck and best regards

Margarita

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May 28, 2002

Dear Margarita and Ash,

A good research work, this will clear the points more clear.

Just I have mailed a answer, but after clicking on Send button, it

asked me my ID, when such things happens, that mail did not reaches

in the group.

In that I have given the relation in 3rd and 6th house.

Mercury is lord of both the house, in Kal Purush chart.

For chart no 44, it is interesting to see the situation of

Saturn Mars and Mercury. Saturn and Mars are in 6th house. Mars is FK

for 3rd and 8th house, NK for 3rd is Saturn, and Mercury N.K. for 8th

house is situated in the sign of Saturn.

In connection with one question asked by Ash, The situation of

Saturn in 6th house do not delays the death ( Aspect on A B C) Here

reason is 6th lord and adverse effect on the NK of Longevity.

Margarita, If you can give the charts, where you do not found

the event not in line with the laws of the system, it will be a good

study. This also clarify the limitations of the system if any.

krushna

, " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...>

wrote:

> Hello Ash,

> Well as to aspects of Jupiter on the 3th house, I think

> this has nothing to do with the event of death because if

> we begin to mix the different houses we will be lost

> completely. Perhaps I am wrong, but that's how I feel about

> it. In this case I reasoned that lords of D and E who are

> Mercury and Saturn are most eager to give the results and

> Saturn came first, he did it.

> I am convinced you are doing very well; the problem is that

> I am also convinced that there are other factors that

> intervene with this event of death. I can of course consult

> a lot of books on astrology were many laws are given but

> they are wrong most of the time and just apply to the

> examples given and " fit " those charts.

> I have taken 4 charts of people who died young (born after

> 1960) 3 of them had a violent death either accident or

> killed in some way and in those 3 charts the main lord was

> not necessarily related to the 3th house but to the lord of

> the 6th house. So I thought this interesting. 3 charts had

> also very low points for the 8th house. The one who died a

> natural death at age 20 should have lived long because only

> the Moon could give results and this is also the sub he

> died in. So this works. Perhaps it's a very complex and

> complicated matter and I have to look for more charts.

> Usually the FK and NK for the 1st and 3th houses are also

> very weak and this seems logical. I will try to find out if

> I can.

> Good luck and best regards

> Margarita

>

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May 28, 2002

Dear Krushnaji,

Thank you for your answer.

I think I am a little slow to grasp what you have explained.

I did not understand the meaning of the following.

" Here reason is 6th lord and adverse effect on the NK of Longevity. "

In the chart Moon and Shani are in parivartan. Moon cannot be

treated as the 6th lord, so how does it effect the NK of longevity

and what role does parivartan play or does it ?

If its not too much could you please re-explain it to me, I would

really appreicate it.

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " krushanain " <krushanain>

wrote:

> Dear Margarita and Ash,

> A good research work, this will clear the points more

clear.

> Just I have mailed a answer, but after clicking on Send button, it

> asked me my ID, when such things happens, that mail did not reaches

> in the group.

> In that I have given the relation in 3rd and 6th house.

> Mercury is lord of both the house, in Kal Purush chart.

> For chart no 44, it is interesting to see the situation of

> Saturn Mars and Mercury. Saturn and Mars are in 6th house. Mars is

FK

> for 3rd and 8th house, NK for 3rd is Saturn, and Mercury N.K. for

8th

> house is situated in the sign of Saturn.

> In connection with one question asked by Ash, The situation

of

> Saturn in 6th house do not delays the death ( Aspect on A B C) Here

> reason is 6th lord and adverse effect on the NK of Longevity.

> Margarita, If you can give the charts, where you do not

found

> the event not in line with the laws of the system, it will be a

good

> study. This also clarify the limitations of the system if any.

> krushna

> , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...>

> wrote:

> > Hello Ash,

> > Well as to aspects of Jupiter on the 3th house, I think

> > this has nothing to do with the event of death because if

> > we begin to mix the different houses we will be lost

> > completely. Perhaps I am wrong, but that's how I feel about

> > it. In this case I reasoned that lords of D and E who are

> > Mercury and Saturn are most eager to give the results and

> > Saturn came first, he did it.

> > I am convinced you are doing very well; the problem is that

> > I am also convinced that there are other factors that

> > intervene with this event of death. I can of course consult

> > a lot of books on astrology were many laws are given but

> > they are wrong most of the time and just apply to the

> > examples given and " fit " those charts.

> > I have taken 4 charts of people who died young (born after

> > 1960) 3 of them had a violent death either accident or

> > killed in some way and in those 3 charts the main lord was

> > not necessarily related to the 3th house but to the lord of

> > the 6th house. So I thought this interesting. 3 charts had

> > also very low points for the 8th house. The one who died a

> > natural death at age 20 should have lived long because only

> > the Moon could give results and this is also the sub he

> > died in. So this works. Perhaps it's a very complex and

> > complicated matter and I have to look for more charts.

> > Usually the FK and NK for the 1st and 3th houses are also

> > very weak and this seems logical. I will try to find out if

> > I can.

> > Good luck and best regards

> > Margarita

> >

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May 28, 2002

Dear Ash,

6th house and it's lord, planets in 6th house, always play

role of a culprit. Sun and Moon are not taking the effect of being

6th lord. Here Saturn is in 6th house, along with Mars. You can treat

sixth house as a black hole, where every planet plays in reverse way.

There is also effect of the sight of 6th lord also. (other then

Sun and Moon)

krushna

, " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...>

wrote:

> Dear Krushnaji,

> Thank you for your answer.

>

> I think I am a little slow to grasp what you have explained.

>

> I did not understand the meaning of the following.

> " Here reason is 6th lord and adverse effect on the NK of

Longevity. "

>

> In the chart Moon and Shani are in parivartan. Moon cannot be

> treated as the 6th lord, so how does it effect the NK of longevity

> and what role does parivartan play or does it ?

>

> If its not too much could you please re-explain it to me, I would

> really appreicate it.

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " krushanain "

> wrote:

> > Dear Margarita and Ash,

> > A good research work, this will clear the points more

> clear.

> > Just I have mailed a answer, but after clicking on Send button,

it

> > asked me my ID, when such things happens, that mail did not

reaches

> > in the group.

> > In that I have given the relation in 3rd and 6th house.

> > Mercury is lord of both the house, in Kal Purush chart.

> > For chart no 44, it is interesting to see the situation

of

> > Saturn Mars and Mercury. Saturn and Mars are in 6th house. Mars

is

> FK

> > for 3rd and 8th house, NK for 3rd is Saturn, and Mercury N.K. for

> 8th

> > house is situated in the sign of Saturn.

> > In connection with one question asked by Ash, The

situation

> of

> > Saturn in 6th house do not delays the death ( Aspect on A B C)

Here

> > reason is 6th lord and adverse effect on the NK of Longevity.

> > Margarita, If you can give the charts, where you do not

> found

> > the event not in line with the laws of the system, it will be a

> good

> > study. This also clarify the limitations of the system if any.

> > krushna

> > , " dmlettens "

<dmlettens@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Hello Ash,

> > > Well as to aspects of Jupiter on the 3th house, I think

> > > this has nothing to do with the event of death because if

> > > we begin to mix the different houses we will be lost

> > > completely. Perhaps I am wrong, but that's how I feel about

> > > it. In this case I reasoned that lords of D and E who are

> > > Mercury and Saturn are most eager to give the results and

> > > Saturn came first, he did it.

> > > I am convinced you are doing very well; the problem is that

> > > I am also convinced that there are other factors that

> > > intervene with this event of death. I can of course consult

> > > a lot of books on astrology were many laws are given but

> > > they are wrong most of the time and just apply to the

> > > examples given and " fit " those charts.

> > > I have taken 4 charts of people who died young (born after

> > > 1960) 3 of them had a violent death either accident or

> > > killed in some way and in those 3 charts the main lord was

> > > not necessarily related to the 3th house but to the lord of

> > > the 6th house. So I thought this interesting. 3 charts had

> > > also very low points for the 8th house. The one who died a

> > > natural death at age 20 should have lived long because only

> > > the Moon could give results and this is also the sub he

> > > died in. So this works. Perhaps it's a very complex and

> > > complicated matter and I have to look for more charts.

> > > Usually the FK and NK for the 1st and 3th houses are also

> > > very weak and this seems logical. I will try to find out if

> > > I can.

> > > Good luck and best regards

> > > Margarita

> > >

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May 29, 2002

Dear Krushnaji,

I think I understand it now. What I did not do was to

consider " PLANETS IN 6TH HOUSE " also acting as a culprit, I was just

trying to consider aspect of 6th lord.

Thanking you for re-explaining,

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " krushanain " <krushanain>

wrote:

> Dear Ash,

> 6th house and it's lord, planets in 6th house, always play

> role of a culprit. Sun and Moon are not taking the effect of being

> 6th lord. Here Saturn is in 6th house, along with Mars. You can

treat

> sixth house as a black hole, where every planet plays in reverse

way.

> There is also effect of the sight of 6th lord also. (other

then

> Sun and Moon)

> krushna

> , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Krushnaji,

> > Thank you for your answer.

> >

> > I think I am a little slow to grasp what you have explained.

> >

> > I did not understand the meaning of the following.

> > " Here reason is 6th lord and adverse effect on the NK of

> Longevity. "

> >

> > In the chart Moon and Shani are in parivartan. Moon cannot be

> > treated as the 6th lord, so how does it effect the NK of

longevity

> > and what role does parivartan play or does it ?

> >

> > If its not too much could you please re-explain it to me, I would

> > really appreicate it.

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " krushanain "

> <krushanain>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Margarita and Ash,

> > > A good research work, this will clear the points more

> > clear.

> > > Just I have mailed a answer, but after clicking on Send button,

> it

> > > asked me my ID, when such things happens, that mail did not

> reaches

> > > in the group.

> > > In that I have given the relation in 3rd and 6th house.

> > > Mercury is lord of both the house, in Kal Purush chart.

> > > For chart no 44, it is interesting to see the situation

> of

> > > Saturn Mars and Mercury. Saturn and Mars are in 6th house. Mars

> is

> > FK

> > > for 3rd and 8th house, NK for 3rd is Saturn, and Mercury N.K.

for

> > 8th

> > > house is situated in the sign of Saturn.

> > > In connection with one question asked by Ash, The

> situation

> > of

> > > Saturn in 6th house do not delays the death ( Aspect on A B C)

> Here

> > > reason is 6th lord and adverse effect on the NK of Longevity.

> > > Margarita, If you can give the charts, where you do not

> > found

> > > the event not in line with the laws of the system, it will be a

> > good

> > > study. This also clarify the limitations of the system if any.

> > > krushna

> > > , " dmlettens "

> <dmlettens@s...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Hello Ash,

> > > > Well as to aspects of Jupiter on the 3th house, I think

> > > > this has nothing to do with the event of death because if

> > > > we begin to mix the different houses we will be lost

> > > > completely. Perhaps I am wrong, but that's how I feel about

> > > > it. In this case I reasoned that lords of D and E who are

> > > > Mercury and Saturn are most eager to give the results and

> > > > Saturn came first, he did it.

> > > > I am convinced you are doing very well; the problem is that

> > > > I am also convinced that there are other factors that

> > > > intervene with this event of death. I can of course consult

> > > > a lot of books on astrology were many laws are given but

> > > > they are wrong most of the time and just apply to the

> > > > examples given and " fit " those charts.

> > > > I have taken 4 charts of people who died young (born after

> > > > 1960) 3 of them had a violent death either accident or

> > > > killed in some way and in those 3 charts the main lord was

> > > > not necessarily related to the 3th house but to the lord of

> > > > the 6th house. So I thought this interesting. 3 charts had

> > > > also very low points for the 8th house. The one who died a

> > > > natural death at age 20 should have lived long because only

> > > > the Moon could give results and this is also the sub he

> > > > died in. So this works. Perhaps it's a very complex and

> > > > complicated matter and I have to look for more charts.

> > > > Usually the FK and NK for the 1st and 3th houses are also

> > > > very weak and this seems logical. I will try to find out if

> > > > I can.

> > > > Good luck and best regards

> > > > Margarita

> > > >

> > > > ---

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May 29, 2002

Dear Krushnaji,

I have got one more question.

I think I am making a mistake in understanding something.

Your wrote :

" > > In connection with one question asked by Ash, The

situation

> of

> > Saturn in 6th house do not delays the death ( Aspect on A B C) "

I thought that the aspect of Shani delays events by conjoining or by

aspecting houses or planets.

You corrected my understand but I did not know the reason why Shani

aspecting House A,B and C would not delay the event.

I understand that Shani cannot give death in its antra as its

Aspecting A,B and C unless its LOD or LOE, but I am talking about the

reason why Shani would not delay any event, including death by its

conjuction or aspect based on Shanis natural nature to delay events.