Guest guest Posted May 31, 2002 Report Share Posted May 31, 2002 Respected Krushna, Thank you for the feed back on these charts. I can agree with you about the reasoning that " unnatural death " does not come necessarily under the 3th lord. But there is still the problem of longevity. I suppose this must be in some way " included " in the birth chart, conception chart or whatever. Could the dasha bukthi in which birth happens contain the seed of the longevity ???? I'm somehow convinced that " everything is written " ; decoding it is another matter of course. Thank you for looking at these charts and best regards Margarita --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 5/24/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2002 Report Share Posted May 31, 2002 Dear Margarita,and list members, Yes I agree with you. The reason for death in any case must be denoted in the chart. The karak planet will be different for different types of death (other then natural death). Death as a result of Juridictory implimentation, due to enmity, due to accident, killing in robbery, and different reasons the main lord will be of relevent house. Regarding the sub lord it must be related to 8th house. Death should be in the sub of powerful planet for 8th house. Some results in Vedic astrology are given in classical text, which gives different types of death. I have not checked such things. For more study and clarifications we should have more charts, for similar incident. If the members are having such charts, should give here for study purpose. Charts given in some books, are not reliable and are adulterate, because possibility of rectifying the time to suit their saying. I will find out in my notes, if any thing in this respect is given. krushna , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Respected Krushna, > Thank you for the feed back on these charts. I can agree > with you about the reasoning that " unnatural death " does > not come necessarily under the 3th lord. But there is still > the problem of longevity. I suppose this must be in some > way " included " in the birth chart, conception chart or > whatever. Could the dasha bukthi in which birth happens > contain the seed of the longevity ???? I'm somehow > convinced that " everything is written " ; decoding it is > another matter of course. > Thank you for looking at these charts and best regards > Margarita > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: > 5/24/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 Respected Krushna, Thank you for your comments. As you say there must be indications in the chart. The only thing is that of course we are not focused on these as long as life goes on. I was thinking of the Moon also. Moon is in the same nakshatra at conception and birth, so she gives the " starting point " of life and this is seen of course in the systems of dashas that use the Moon as basis for their calculation. But there are also the different " planes " You sent a mail on that which I don't find back for the moment (don't remember the folder I put it) . In this perspective, do the angular houses (1st,4th,7th and 10th) who belong to the " physical plane " (if I remember well) also have something to say in this matter ???? Best regards Margarita krushanain [krushanain] Saturday, June 01, 2002 6:55 AM Re: death charts Dear Margarita,and list members, Yes I agree with you. The reason for death in any case must be denoted in the chart. The karak planet will be different for different types of death (other then natural death). Death as a result of Juridictory implimentation, due to enmity, due to accident, killing in robbery, and different reasons the main lord will be of relevent house. Regarding the sub lord it must be related to 8th house. Death should be in the sub of powerful planet for 8th house. Some results in Vedic astrology are given in classical text, which gives different types of death. I have not checked such things. For more study and clarifications we should have more charts, for similar incident. If the members are having such charts, should give here for study purpose. Charts given in some books, are not reliable and are adulterate, because possibility of rectifying the time to suit their saying. I will find out in my notes, if any thing in this respect is given. krushna , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Respected Krushna, > Thank you for the feed back on these charts. I can agree > with you about the reasoning that " unnatural death " does > not come necessarily under the 3th lord. But there is still > the problem of longevity. I suppose this must be in some > way " included " in the birth chart, conception chart or > whatever. Could the dasha bukthi in which birth happens > contain the seed of the longevity ???? I'm somehow > convinced that " everything is written " ; decoding it is > another matter of course. > Thank you for looking at these charts and best regards > Margarita > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: > 5/24/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 Dear Krushna, This is my father's chart: Henri Labouré: 23 september 1932 18h30 (17h30 UT) Sury le Comtal (France: 46N32 4E10). Ascendant 6 Pisces. He died on 8 april 1998, about 14h/14h30 UT. He was crushed by his own tractor. I hope it will help. Denis > For more study and clarifications we should have more > charts, for similar incident. If the members are having such charts, > should give here for study purpose. Charts given in some books, are > not reliable and are adulterate, because possibility of rectifying > the time to suit their saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 Hello Denis, I have a problem with the TOB. You take 1 h off, (17h30)so this doesn't give 6° Pisces asc. According to my sources the local time in France was the same as the universal time when he was born and this gives 19° Pisces. Could you explain please Best regards Margarita DENIS LABOURE [Laboure] Saturday, June 01, 2002 12:33 PM Re: Re: death charts Dear Krushna, This is my father's chart: Henri Labouré: 23 september 1932 18h30 (17h30 UT) Sury le Comtal (France: 46N32 4E10). Ascendant 6 Pisces. He died on 8 april 1998, about 14h/14h30 UT. He was crushed by his own tractor. I hope it will help. Denis > For more study and clarifications we should have more > charts, for similar incident. If the members are having such charts, > should give here for study purpose. Charts given in some books, are > not reliable and are adulterate, because possibility of rectifying > the time to suit their saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 Dear Margarita, Official time (birth certificate) is 18h30. In France, from 1916 to 1940, the time system was: GMT+1 in summer and GMT+0 in winter. So, from 2 april 1932 to 1 october 1932, the system was GMT+1. From that, the GMT time birth was 17h30. So, you will find an ascendant at 6°10' Pisces (ayanamsa 21.54.04). Your infos are wrong about time zones in France. They probably come from USA! (Goravani has never understood there are some cities with a " western longitude " in Europe. In his software, You are obliged to enter such cities like Dublin in GMT. Otherwise, it will automatically add the time zone instead to substract it). Best regards Denis -- Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : www.astrocours.fr.st - " dmlettens " <dmlettens Saturday, June 01, 2002 6:05 PM RE: Re: death charts Hello Denis, I have a problem with the TOB. You take 1 h off, (17h30)so this doesn't give 6° Pisces asc. According to my sources the local time in France was the same as the universal time when he was born and this gives 19° Pisces. Could you explain please Best regards Margarita DENIS LABOURE [Laboure] Saturday, June 01, 2002 12:33 PM Re: Re: death charts Dear Krushna, This is my father's chart: Henri Labouré: 23 september 1932 18h30 (17h30 UT) Sury le Comtal (France: 46N32 4E10). Ascendant 6 Pisces. He died on 8 april 1998, about 14h/14h30 UT. He was crushed by his own tractor. I hope it will help. Denis > For more study and clarifications we should have more > charts, for similar incident. If the members are having such charts, > should give here for study purpose. Charts given in some books, are > not reliable and are adulterate, because possibility of rectifying > the time to suit their saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 OK Denis, thanks, I just looked up the wrong country (Spain instead of France). Tjhis was my error, I must have been in one of my brilliant days !!!!! By the way, I didn't use Goravani. I agree that this program gets it wrong for locations in Europe when they come west of the meridian but nevertheless belong to east of meridian timezone. I usually check with other programs and if in doubt consult some sites on internet that give reliable information. Thanks and best regards Margarita DENIS LABOURE [Laboure] Saturday, June 01, 2002 7:05 PM Re: Re: death charts Dear Margarita, Official time (birth certificate) is 18h30. In France, from 1916 to 1940, the time system was: GMT+1 in summer and GMT+0 in winter. So, from 2 april 1932 to 1 october 1932, the system was GMT+1. From that, the GMT time birth was 17h30. So, you will find an ascendant at 6°10' Pisces (ayanamsa 21.54.04). Your infos are wrong about time zones in France. They probably come from USA! (Goravani has never understood there are some cities with a " western longitude " in Europe. In his software, You are obliged to enter such cities like Dublin in GMT. Otherwise, it will automatically add the time zone instead to substract it). Best regards Denis -- Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : www.astrocours.fr.st - " dmlettens " <dmlettens Saturday, June 01, 2002 6:05 PM RE: Re: death charts Hello Denis, I have a problem with the TOB. You take 1 h off, (17h30)so this doesn't give 6° Pisces asc. According to my sources the local time in France was the same as the universal time when he was born and this gives 19° Pisces. Could you explain please Best regards Margarita DENIS LABOURE [Laboure] Saturday, June 01, 2002 12:33 PM Re: Re: death charts Dear Krushna, This is my father's chart: Henri Labouré: 23 september 1932 18h30 (17h30 UT) Sury le Comtal (France: 46N32 4E10). Ascendant 6 Pisces. He died on 8 april 1998, about 14h/14h30 UT. He was crushed by his own tractor. I hope it will help. Denis > For more study and clarifications we should have more > charts, for similar incident. If the members are having such charts, > should give here for study purpose. Charts given in some books, are > not reliable and are adulterate, because possibility of rectifying > the time to suit their saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 Dear Margarita, Your this mail was remained unreplyed by me. Your point regarding Moon is very correct. Moon for conception, birth, and for Dasha, so every event of the life. It is recommonded to confirm regarding any event from Lagna as well as Moon chart. (Moon chart means considering sign, where Moon is situated as Lagna) Some times the powerful out of Lagna or Moon should be refered. More research may bring some hidden things to light. In our system we refer only Lagna chart. krushna , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Respected Krushna, > Thank you for the feed back on these charts. I can agree > with you about the reasoning that " unnatural death " does > not come necessarily under the 3th lord. But there is still > the problem of longevity. I suppose this must be in some > way " included " in the birth chart, conception chart or > whatever. Could the dasha bukthi in which birth happens > contain the seed of the longevity ???? I'm somehow > convinced that " everything is written " ; decoding it is > another matter of course. > Thank you for looking at these charts and best regards > Margarita > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: > 5/24/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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