Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 Dear Margarita, Your point is correct. So should be applied to some charts, and should check the out come. krushna , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Respected Krushna, > If marriage seems a well defined event in India ; this is > not so in western countries. We can look at the 5th for > friendship and 12th for " closeness " . But normally these 5th > and 12th house matters already exists (sometimes many)years > before the real marriage ceremony (which in fact is only a > legal proceeding) takes place. So I thought that looking at > the 6th house could be a good idea ????? I would appreciate > you opinion on that. > This thought came to me by looking at a chart of a female > who married late (29 years of age) and every factor in the > chart indicates an early marriage. So I suppose the > " marriage " was there, simply it was not legalized. > Best regards > Margarita > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: > 5/24/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2002 Report Share Posted June 4, 2002 Dear Krushnaji and Margarita, Margarita's question is very interesting. It made me think. Whats normal here like dating and " checking compatibility " first before actual commitment for marriage and then marriage. So as you have said, the cycle goest 5th (love, romance) , 12th (coming closer) and then 7th (long term bond, marriage). So continue to think on those lines, the steps to look in a chart for marriage would be 1) Check for Karaks of 5th house, 7th house and 12th house both FK and NK to see if they are not afflicted or afflicted to know how the event will take place 2) Check for LOD and LOE of 5th house first for see when probable romance or dating starts or falling in love situation. If that happens in the period of weak significator, or aspect of shani on mars then those romances could break in the sub of powreful significator or LOD or LOE. 3) Check for 12th house matters for compatibility, physical compatibility 4) Lastly based on the above 2 poins i.e. 2 and 3 can be converted into long term commitment in antra of LOD or LOE or powerful significator. So in essence, if a couple has dated for say 10 years before final commitment of marriage so falling in love's (LOD, LOE, powerful significator) - (LOD and LOE or powerful significator) should be 10 years. Is my understanding correct ? Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " krushanain " <krushanain> wrote: > Dear Margarita, > Your point is correct. So should be applied to some charts, > and should check the out come. > krushna > > , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> > wrote: > > Respected Krushna, > > If marriage seems a well defined event in India ; this is > > not so in western countries. We can look at the 5th for > > friendship and 12th for " closeness " . But normally these 5th > > and 12th house matters already exists (sometimes many)years > > before the real marriage ceremony (which in fact is only a > > legal proceeding) takes place. So I thought that looking at > > the 6th house could be a good idea ????? I would appreciate > > you opinion on that. > > This thought came to me by looking at a chart of a female > > who married late (29 years of age) and every factor in the > > chart indicates an early marriage. So I suppose the > > " marriage " was there, simply it was not legalized. > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: > > 5/24/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 Hello Ash, Your mail raises a lot of questions but I think that " marriage " in the west has to be understood under a different light. Yes, I agree with you on the 5th, 12th and 7th house sequence but so many couples marry for " love on first sight " . I've seen many horoscopes of older generations who had a terrible chart for marriage, married in period of lord of the 6th with less points but still live together in peace because they could set aside some of their resentment and learned to live together. In those times religion also played a big role and people once married, stayed so for the better or the worst, and of course also to give a stable environment to their children. Now, in the younger generation, people don't have religious references anymore; they grew up with a different frame of mind so I think " marriage " has not a collective meaning anymore; it's signification has become very personal and individual. Actually 80% of children in school have separated parents !!! There are even " marriages " between homosexuals. So, I gave up trying to find a marriage date in charts of people only because I don't know what it means for them. If people consult before their marriage, which they usually don't, (they do it when problems arise)the laws about compatibility and friendship that Krushna gave us function very well and they seem to give a stable base for a marriage, here in Europe anyway. Best regards Margarita ashsam73 [ashsam73] Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:46 PM Re: marriage date in the west Dear Krushnaji and Margarita, Margarita's question is very interesting. It made me think. Whats normal here like dating and " checking compatibility " first before actual commitment for marriage and then marriage. So as you have said, the cycle goest 5th (love, romance) , 12th (coming closer) and then 7th (long term bond, marriage). So continue to think on those lines, the steps to look in a chart for marriage would be 1) Check for Karaks of 5th house, 7th house and 12th house both FK and NK to see if they are not afflicted or afflicted to know how the event will take place 2) Check for LOD and LOE of 5th house first for see when probable romance or dating starts or falling in love situation. If that happens in the period of weak significator, or aspect of shani on mars then those romances could break in the sub of powreful significator or LOD or LOE. 3) Check for 12th house matters for compatibility, physical compatibility 4) Lastly based on the above 2 poins i.e. 2 and 3 can be converted into long term commitment in antra of LOD or LOE or powerful significator. So in essence, if a couple has dated for say 10 years before final commitment of marriage so falling in love's (LOD, LOE, powerful significator) - (LOD and LOE or powerful significator) should be 10 years. Is my understanding correct ? Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " krushanain " <krushanain> wrote: > Dear Margarita, > Your point is correct. So should be applied to some charts, > and should check the out come. > krushna > > , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> > wrote: > > Respected Krushna, > > If marriage seems a well defined event in India ; this is > > not so in western countries. We can look at the 5th for > > friendship and 12th for " closeness " . But normally these 5th > > and 12th house matters already exists (sometimes many)years > > before the real marriage ceremony (which in fact is only a > > legal proceeding) takes place. So I thought that looking at > > the 6th house could be a good idea ????? I would appreciate > > you opinion on that. > > This thought came to me by looking at a chart of a female > > who married late (29 years of age) and every factor in the > > chart indicates an early marriage. So I suppose the > > " marriage " was there, simply it was not legalized. > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: > > 5/24/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 Dear Margarita, I agree with you. However, what do you do when a client asks for predictions about this matter? Do you look for the date he (or she) will meet his future husband? Do you look for the date he will starts the relationship? So, what house do you use as house B? Thanks a lot Denis > Hello Ash, > Your mail raises a lot of questions but I think that > " marriage " in the west has to be understood under a > different light. Yes, I agree with you on the 5th, 12th and > 7th house sequence but so many couples marry for " love on > first sight " . I've seen many horoscopes of older > generations who had a terrible chart for marriage, married > in period of lord of the 6th with less points but still > live together in peace because they could set aside some of > their resentment and learned to live together. In those > times religion also played a big role and people once > married, stayed so for the better or the worst, and of > course also to give a stable environment to their children. > Now, in the younger generation, people don't have religious > references anymore; they grew up with a different frame of > mind so I think " marriage " has not a collective meaning > anymore; it's signification has become very personal and > individual. Actually 80% of children in school have > separated parents !!! There are even " marriages " between > homosexuals. So, I gave up trying to find a marriage date > in charts of people only because I don't know what it means > for them. If people consult before their marriage, which > they usually don't, (they do it when problems arise)the > laws about compatibility and friendship that Krushna gave > us function very well and they seem to give a stable base > for a marriage, here in Europe anyway. > Best regards > Margarita > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 Hello Denis, I can only talk about my own experience and this is the following. People who can normally fall in love or have a relationship don't consult about these matters because they have no doubts and things seem to run smoothly. People who don't find a mate consult but usually they have very low points for marriage and the laws about " no marriage " Krushna gave us work fine. Most people consult an astrologer when problems arise and usually they are interested to know when the " bad period " will be over. Nobody consulted me (up to now) to see if the charts of the couple were compatible. For matters under discussion I look mostly at the 5th and 7th houses but I must say that the 1st house is also important especially if you use placements in the navamsha. It's the house of the personality and gives a good picture of how the person functions. I also look at chandra lagna when it's very strong and the Moon who is a very important emotional factor. Best regards Margarita DENIS LABOURE [Laboure] Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:08 PM Re: Re: marriage date in the west Dear Margarita, I agree with you. However, what do you do when a client asks for predictions about this matter? Do you look for the date he (or she) will meet his future husband? Do you look for the date he will starts the relationship? So, what house do you use as house B? Thanks a lot Denis > Hello Ash, > Your mail raises a lot of questions but I think that > " marriage " in the west has to be understood under a > different light. Yes, I agree with you on the 5th, 12th and > 7th house sequence but so many couples marry for " love on > first sight " . I've seen many horoscopes of older > generations who had a terrible chart for marriage, married > in period of lord of the 6th with less points but still > live together in peace because they could set aside some of > their resentment and learned to live together. In those > times religion also played a big role and people once > married, stayed so for the better or the worst, and of > course also to give a stable environment to their children. > Now, in the younger generation, people don't have religious > references anymore; they grew up with a different frame of > mind so I think " marriage " has not a collective meaning > anymore; it's signification has become very personal and > individual. Actually 80% of children in school have > separated parents !!! There are even " marriages " between > homosexuals. So, I gave up trying to find a marriage date > in charts of people only because I don't know what it means > for them. If people consult before their marriage, which > they usually don't, (they do it when problems arise)the > laws about compatibility and friendship that Krushna gave > us function very well and they seem to give a stable base > for a marriage, here in Europe anyway. > Best regards > Margarita > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 Dear Krushnaji and Margarita, If the definition of marriage is becoming partners in property, then depending on the countries law, if a couple stays together, I mean living together for over a certain period of time thereby becoming common law and then the laws of partnership in property can be applied legally, in those cases could the couple be treated as Married and the relationship as " Marriage " . Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Ash, > Your mail raises a lot of questions but I think that > " marriage " in the west has to be understood under a > different light. Yes, I agree with you on the 5th, 12th and > 7th house sequence but so many couples marry for " love on > first sight " . I've seen many horoscopes of older > generations who had a terrible chart for marriage, married > in period of lord of the 6th with less points but still > live together in peace because they could set aside some of > their resentment and learned to live together. In those > times religion also played a big role and people once > married, stayed so for the better or the worst, and of > course also to give a stable environment to their children. > Now, in the younger generation, people don't have religious > references anymore; they grew up with a different frame of > mind so I think " marriage " has not a collective meaning > anymore; it's signification has become very personal and > individual. Actually 80% of children in school have > separated parents !!! There are even " marriages " between > homosexuals. So, I gave up trying to find a marriage date > in charts of people only because I don't know what it means > for them. If people consult before their marriage, which > they usually don't, (they do it when problems arise)the > laws about compatibility and friendship that Krushna gave > us function very well and they seem to give a stable base > for a marriage, here in Europe anyway. > Best regards > Margarita > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:46 PM > > Re: marriage date in > the west > > Dear Krushnaji and Margarita, > > Margarita's question is very interesting. It made me > think. > Whats normal here like dating and " checking compatibility " > first > before actual commitment for marriage and then marriage. > So as you > have said, the cycle goest 5th (love, romance) , 12th > (coming closer) > and then 7th (long term bond, marriage). > > So continue to think on those lines, the steps to look in a > chart for > marriage would be > > 1) Check for Karaks of 5th house, 7th house and 12th house > both FK > and NK to see if they are not afflicted or afflicted to > know how the > event will take place > > 2) Check for LOD and LOE of 5th house first for see when > probable > romance or dating starts or falling in love situation. If > that > happens in the period of weak significator, or aspect of > shani on > mars then those romances could break in the sub of powreful > significator or LOD or LOE. > > 3) Check for 12th house matters for compatibility, physical > compatibility > > 4) Lastly based on the above 2 poins i.e. 2 and 3 can be > converted > into long term commitment in antra of LOD or LOE or > powerful > significator. > > So in essence, if a couple has dated for say 10 years > before final > commitment of marriage so falling in love's (LOD, LOE, > powerful > significator) - (LOD and LOE or powerful significator) > should be 10 > years. > > Is my understanding correct ? > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , " krushanain " > <krushanain> > wrote: > > Dear Margarita, > > Your point is correct. So should be applied to > some charts, > > and should check the out come. > > krushna > > > > , " dmlettens " > <dmlettens@s...> > > wrote: > > > Respected Krushna, > > > If marriage seems a well defined event in India ; this > is > > > not so in western countries. We can look at the 5th for > > > friendship and 12th for " closeness " . But normally these > 5th > > > and 12th house matters already exists (sometimes > many)years > > > before the real marriage ceremony (which in fact is > only a > > > legal proceeding) takes place. So I thought that > looking at > > > the 6th house could be a good idea ????? I would > appreciate > > > you opinion on that. > > > This thought came to me by looking at a chart of a > female > > > who married late (29 years of age) and every factor in > the > > > chart indicates an early marriage. So I suppose the > > > " marriage " was there, simply it was not legalized. > > > Best regards > > > Margarita > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: > > > 5/24/2002 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 Hello Asham, Yes, I understand what you mean. Most of the time partners in a married couple become " partners in property " . But this is not necessarily so. Sometimes a contract is made that each partner keeps what he brings and keep their income separate. But I agree that marriage is a " partnership " where people decide to live together. Best regards Margarita ashsam73 [ashsam73] Wednesday, June 05, 2002 7:43 PM Re: marriage date in the west Dear Krushnaji and Margarita, If the definition of marriage is becoming partners in property, then depending on the countries law, if a couple stays together, I mean living together for over a certain period of time thereby becoming common law and then the laws of partnership in property can be applied legally, in those cases could the couple be treated as Married and the relationship as " Marriage " . Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Ash, > Your mail raises a lot of questions but I think that > " marriage " in the west has to be understood under a > different light. Yes, I agree with you on the 5th, 12th and > 7th house sequence but so many couples marry for " love on > first sight " . I've seen many horoscopes of older > generations who had a terrible chart for marriage, married > in period of lord of the 6th with less points but still > live together in peace because they could set aside some of > their resentment and learned to live together. In those > times religion also played a big role and people once > married, stayed so for the better or the worst, and of > course also to give a stable environment to their children. > Now, in the younger generation, people don't have religious > references anymore; they grew up with a different frame of > mind so I think " marriage " has not a collective meaning > anymore; it's signification has become very personal and > individual. Actually 80% of children in school have > separated parents !!! There are even " marriages " between > homosexuals. So, I gave up trying to find a marriage date > in charts of people only because I don't know what it means > for them. If people consult before their marriage, which > they usually don't, (they do it when problems arise)the > laws about compatibility and friendship that Krushna gave > us function very well and they seem to give a stable base > for a marriage, here in Europe anyway. > Best regards > Margarita > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:46 PM > > Re: marriage date in > the west > > Dear Krushnaji and Margarita, > > Margarita's question is very interesting. It made me > think. > Whats normal here like dating and " checking compatibility " > first > before actual commitment for marriage and then marriage. > So as you > have said, the cycle goest 5th (love, romance) , 12th > (coming closer) > and then 7th (long term bond, marriage). > > So continue to think on those lines, the steps to look in a > chart for > marriage would be > > 1) Check for Karaks of 5th house, 7th house and 12th house > both FK > and NK to see if they are not afflicted or afflicted to > know how the > event will take place > > 2) Check for LOD and LOE of 5th house first for see when > probable > romance or dating starts or falling in love situation. If > that > happens in the period of weak significator, or aspect of > shani on > mars then those romances could break in the sub of powreful > significator or LOD or LOE. > > 3) Check for 12th house matters for compatibility, physical > compatibility > > 4) Lastly based on the above 2 poins i.e. 2 and 3 can be > converted > into long term commitment in antra of LOD or LOE or > powerful > significator. > > So in essence, if a couple has dated for say 10 years > before final > commitment of marriage so falling in love's (LOD, LOE, > powerful > significator) - (LOD and LOE or powerful significator) > should be 10 > years. > > Is my understanding correct ? > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , " krushanain " > <krushanain> > wrote: > > Dear Margarita, > > Your point is correct. So should be applied to > some charts, > > and should check the out come. > > krushna > > > > , " dmlettens " > <dmlettens@s...> > > wrote: > > > Respected Krushna, > > > If marriage seems a well defined event in India ; this > is > > > not so in western countries. We can look at the 5th for > > > friendship and 12th for " closeness " . But normally these > 5th > > > and 12th house matters already exists (sometimes > many)years > > > before the real marriage ceremony (which in fact is > only a > > > legal proceeding) takes place. So I thought that > looking at > > > the 6th house could be a good idea ????? I would > appreciate > > > you opinion on that. > > > This thought came to me by looking at a chart of a > female > > > who married late (29 years of age) and every factor in > the > > > chart indicates an early marriage. So I suppose the > > > " marriage " was there, simply it was not legalized. > > > Best regards > > > Margarita > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: > > > 5/24/2002 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 Dear Margarita, Thank you for your answer. When a lady is young, or when a person is divorced, they often ask me: " When shall I meet my future husband? " . I have some troubles with that, as the date we have to find is not the date of the marriage (in west). So, any help to solve this problem is welcome. Thanks a lot Denis -- Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site : www.astrocours.fr.st - " dmlettens " <dmlettens Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:55 PM RE: Re: marriage date in the west > Hello Denis, > I can only talk about my own experience and this is the > following. > People who can normally fall in love or have a relationship > don't consult about these matters because they have no > doubts and things seem to run smoothly. People who don't > find a mate consult but usually they have very low points > for marriage and the laws about " no marriage " Krushna > gave us work fine. Most people consult an astrologer when > problems arise and usually they are interested to know when > the " bad period " will be over. Nobody consulted me (up to > now) to see if the charts of the couple were compatible. > For matters under discussion I look mostly at the 5th and > 7th houses but I must say that the 1st house is also > important especially if you use placements in the navamsha. > It's the house of the personality and gives a good picture > of how the person functions. I also look at chandra lagna > when it's very strong and the Moon who is a very important > emotional factor. > Best regards > Margarita > > DENIS LABOURE [Laboure] > Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:08 PM > > Re: Re: marriage date > in the west > > Dear Margarita, > > I agree with you. However, what do you do when a client > asks for predictions > about this matter? Do you look for the date he (or she) > will meet his future > husband? Do you look for the date he will starts the > relationship? So, what > house do you use as house B? > > Thanks a lot > Denis > > > Hello Ash, > > Your mail raises a lot of questions but I think that > > " marriage " in the west has to be understood under a > > different light. Yes, I agree with you on the 5th, 12th > and > > 7th house sequence but so many couples marry for " love on > > first sight " . I've seen many horoscopes of older > > generations who had a terrible chart for marriage, > married > > in period of lord of the 6th with less points but still > > live together in peace because they could set aside some > of > > their resentment and learned to live together. In those > > times religion also played a big role and people once > > married, stayed so for the better or the worst, and of > > course also to give a stable environment to their > children. > > Now, in the younger generation, people don't have > religious > > references anymore; they grew up with a different frame > of > > mind so I think " marriage " has not a collective meaning > > anymore; it's signification has become very personal and > > individual. Actually 80% of children in school have > > separated parents !!! There are even " marriages " between > > homosexuals. So, I gave up trying to find a marriage > date > > in charts of people only because I don't know what it > means > > for them. If people consult before their marriage, which > > they usually don't, (they do it when problems arise)the > > laws about compatibility and friendship that Krushna gave > > us function very well and they seem to give a stable base > > for a marriage, here in Europe anyway. > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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