Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 Hello Ash and list members, I was very busy for a few days but I went through Ash's comment on the chart and I agree about problems for getting married. Ash, you quoted that that Lord of B is with Saturn, OK but Saturn doesn't have sight on house C I think (Saturn in Cancer aspects Aries= house E). But of course, as you pointed out there are 3 " 0 " in the chart; two for house A and one for house B Nevertheless only one law applies for " no marriage " Happy marriage (whatever it means) seems not written in this chart. As you state, 6th lord is aspecting the 7th house but also the 2nd lord Mercury spoils this house with 6 points There is also a kala sarpa yoga leaving half of the chart empty. This person seems thus to be very self-centered and a very strong Jupiter in a chart gives (in my opinion) much self -righteousness. This is also seen through the values the planets have in Shad- bala (nothing to do with this system) Only poor Saturn is weak. So it could be difficult for her to find somebody who suits her and perhaps she doesn't want to marry ?? If we look at the points in 3,6,10 and 11 they are in increasing order meaning that the person can stand on her own legs. Points in the 1st are also high compared to the 7th, so marriage could be difficult especially seen in a traditional context were men carry the authority in the relationship In august 2002 Saturn will enter Gemini, How is he going to act there? He is also coming closer to her Moon and will enter Cancer in 2005. Jupiter certainly can give results if we consider his points but in the navamsha he gets aspect from Venus, 6th lord, so normally this would deny the result ??? I'm curious to read other comments on this chart. Best regards Margarita --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 Dear Margarita, Thank you very much for your comments. Ok.. I think I have hit another confusion point here. Do we only consider ASPECTS of Shani or also CONJOINING of Shani. This could be a very fundamental point right to the basics that I may have not understood clearly. If shani for example is in 7th house then he is in House B for marriage. He still would not be aspecting House A,C but is in HOUSE B. In such a case can Shani by Conjoining in 7th hosue delay marriage or only PURE ASPECTS i.e. 3rd, 10th and 7th aspects are to be taken. Im sorry for asking such a basic question but its very important for me to understand. Other than that, Shani is conjoining Mars, LOB, Aspecting Guru LOC and also in Navamsa its aspecting Guru. That is what I meant. One more point is that Guru is in the Nakshatra of 6th lord Venus ? So that may affect quality, but may give marriage. Thanking you for your inputs, Cheers !!! Ash , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Ash and list members, > I was very busy for a few days but I went through Ash's > comment on the chart and I agree about problems for getting > married. > Ash, you quoted that that Lord of B is with Saturn, OK but > Saturn doesn't have sight on house C I think (Saturn in > Cancer aspects Aries= house E). > But of course, as you pointed out there are 3 " 0 " in the > chart; two for house A and one for house B > Nevertheless only one law applies for " no marriage " > Happy marriage (whatever it means) seems not written in > this chart. As you state, 6th lord is aspecting the 7th > house but also the 2nd lord Mercury spoils this house with > 6 points > There is also a kala sarpa yoga leaving half of the chart > empty. This person seems thus to be very self-centered and > a very strong Jupiter in a chart gives (in my opinion) much > self -righteousness. This is also seen through the values > the planets have in Shad- bala (nothing to do with this > system) Only poor Saturn is weak. So it could be difficult > for her to find somebody who suits her and perhaps she > doesn't want to marry ?? > If we look at the points in 3,6,10 and 11 they are in > increasing order meaning that the person can stand on her > own legs. Points in the 1st are also high compared to the > 7th, so marriage could be difficult especially seen in a > traditional context were men carry the authority in the > relationship > In august 2002 Saturn will enter Gemini, How is he going to > act there? He is also coming closer to her Moon and will > enter Cancer in 2005. > Jupiter certainly can give results if we consider his > points but in the navamsha he gets aspect from Venus, 6th > lord, so normally this would deny the result ??? I'm > curious to read other comments on this chart. > Best regards > Margarita > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: > 7/1/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 Hello Ash, Well it's nice you always bring up some little details I thought I was sure off. It isn't so !! Normally I don't think that the fact of Saturn being with lord B is going to give delay because planets don't act on the one they are conjunct with (in this system) I could be wrong ??? (Of course it affects the " quality " of the planets) Saturn's aspect on Jupiter will cause some delay but really not much because only one factor (lord) is involved. Saturn is also aspecting the 7th house in navamsha but this is not supposed to bring delay. So I think there could be a slight delay but not that much. As to the relationship between Jupiter and Venus, Because Venus is lord of the 6th I think she will not permit Jupiter to act for marriage. Jupiter being in Venus nakshatra and having sight from Venus is navamsha. But I'm not sure. So it would be interesting to have Krushna's comment on this. I think it's an interesting chart to study but have somewhere the felling that the girl is not very enthusiastic to get married. Best regards Margarita ashsam73 [ashsam73] Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:09 PM Re: marriage of friend Dear Margarita, Thank you very much for your comments. Ok.. I think I have hit another confusion point here. Do we only consider ASPECTS of Shani or also CONJOINING of Shani. This could be a very fundamental point right to the basics that I may have not understood clearly. If shani for example is in 7th house then he is in House B for marriage. He still would not be aspecting House A,C but is in HOUSE B. In such a case can Shani by Conjoining in 7th hosue delay marriage or only PURE ASPECTS i.e. 3rd, 10th and 7th aspects are to be taken. Im sorry for asking such a basic question but its very important for me to understand. Other than that, Shani is conjoining Mars, LOB, Aspecting Guru LOC and also in Navamsa its aspecting Guru. That is what I meant. One more point is that Guru is in the Nakshatra of 6th lord Venus ? So that may affect quality, but may give marriage. Thanking you for your inputs, Cheers !!! Ash , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Ash and list members, > I was very busy for a few days but I went through Ash's > comment on the chart and I agree about problems for getting > married. > Ash, you quoted that that Lord of B is with Saturn, OK but > Saturn doesn't have sight on house C I think (Saturn in > Cancer aspects Aries= house E). > But of course, as you pointed out there are 3 " 0 " in the > chart; two for house A and one for house B > Nevertheless only one law applies for " no marriage " > Happy marriage (whatever it means) seems not written in > this chart. As you state, 6th lord is aspecting the 7th > house but also the 2nd lord Mercury spoils this house with > 6 points > There is also a kala sarpa yoga leaving half of the chart > empty. This person seems thus to be very self-centered and > a very strong Jupiter in a chart gives (in my opinion) much > self -righteousness. This is also seen through the values > the planets have in Shad- bala (nothing to do with this > system) Only poor Saturn is weak. So it could be difficult > for her to find somebody who suits her and perhaps she > doesn't want to marry ?? > If we look at the points in 3,6,10 and 11 they are in > increasing order meaning that the person can stand on her > own legs. Points in the 1st are also high compared to the > 7th, so marriage could be difficult especially seen in a > traditional context were men carry the authority in the > relationship > In august 2002 Saturn will enter Gemini, How is he going to > act there? He is also coming closer to her Moon and will > enter Cancer in 2005. > Jupiter certainly can give results if we consider his > points but in the navamsha he gets aspect from Venus, 6th > lord, so normally this would deny the result ??? I'm > curious to read other comments on this chart. > Best regards > Margarita > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: > 7/1/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 Dear Margarita, Thank you for your kind words. The reason I felt that way was because of 3 laws that were in the top of my mind for Shani. 1) Shani aspecting House A,B and C for 7th as B 2) Shani is aspecting LOA, LOB and LOC 3) Shani is aspecting LOA,LOB and LOC in Navamsa. 4) Permutation and combinations of the above ???? I have seen Krushnaji use these but what I dont understand clearly is what are the permutation and combination for the above 3. (I am assuming that Shani is not aspecting by Guru or in Gurus sign in Rasi and Navamsa). For example. 1) If Shani is Aspecting House B in Rasi, Aspecting LOC in Navamsa and is conjoined with LOA in Rasi then is it meeting our criteria for delay ? 2) Shani is say 11th house so is conjoining House C and is conjoining LOB and LOC in NAvamsa (here no involvment of House A or LOA) so would shani still give delay ? 3) Shani is in house C and aspecting LOA then is it still going to delay ? etc... So what combinations can be definitive and what to see in Rasi and Navamsa has not been made very clear though we are using it but I am not confident of this and also with the Conjoining part and what if Shani is the lord of LOA,LOB or LOC ? Another point, if Shani has delay or is causing delay it will be for 27.5 years, now coupled with that if there are 0 points in SAV say 1 , 2 or 3 zeroes how much delay do those cause ? Is there a definite value assigned like in years for those 0's or is it based on the first favourable antra also is not clear. Krushnaji can you please clarify these thigns too. This is important as then we can then start to check for the first antar dasa after considering delays caused by Shani and any 0 points together to predict marriage ? Margarita, are u clear with the concept of how many years delay is cause over shanis delay for every 0 gotten in SAV ? Yes, it will be very interesting to see Krushnaji's comments and it is an interesting chart indeed for study. Every chart bring about something new which is good for learning Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Ash, > Well it's nice you always bring up some little details I > thought I was sure off. It isn't so !! > Normally I don't think that the fact of Saturn being with > lord B is going to give delay because planets don't act on > the one they are conjunct with (in this system) I could be > wrong ??? (Of course it affects the " quality " of the > planets) > Saturn's aspect on Jupiter will cause some delay but really > not much because only one factor (lord) is involved. Saturn > is also aspecting the 7th house in navamsha but this is not > supposed to bring delay. > So I think there could be a slight delay but not that much. > > As to the relationship between Jupiter and Venus, Because > Venus is lord of the 6th I think she will not permit > Jupiter to act for marriage. Jupiter being in Venus > nakshatra and having sight from Venus is navamsha. But I'm > not sure. So it would be interesting to have Krushna's > comment on this. > > I think it's an interesting chart to study but have > somewhere the felling that the girl is not very > enthusiastic to get married. > Best regards > Margarita > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:09 PM > > Re: marriage of friend > > Dear Margarita, > Thank you very much for your comments. > > Ok.. I think I have hit another confusion point here. > > Do we only consider ASPECTS of Shani or also CONJOINING of > Shani. > This could be a very fundamental point right to the basics > that I may > have not understood clearly. > > If shani for example is in 7th house then he is in House B > for > marriage. He still would not be aspecting House A,C but is > in HOUSE > B. In such a case can Shani by Conjoining in 7th hosue > delay > marriage or only PURE ASPECTS i.e. 3rd, 10th and 7th > aspects are to > be taken. > > Im sorry for asking such a basic question but its very > important for > me to understand. > > Other than that, Shani is conjoining Mars, LOB, Aspecting > Guru LOC > and also in Navamsa its aspecting Guru. That is what I > meant. > > One more point is that Guru is in the Nakshatra of 6th lord > Venus ? > > So that may affect quality, but may give marriage. > > Thanking you for your inputs, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " dmlettens " > <dmlettens@s...> > wrote: > > Hello Ash and list members, > > I was very busy for a few days but I went through Ash's > > comment on the chart and I agree about problems for > getting > > married. > > Ash, you quoted that that Lord of B is with Saturn, OK > but > > Saturn doesn't have sight on house C I think (Saturn in > > Cancer aspects Aries= house E). > > But of course, as you pointed out there are 3 " 0 " in the > > chart; two for house A and one for house B > > Nevertheless only one law applies for " no marriage " > > Happy marriage (whatever it means) seems not written in > > this chart. As you state, 6th lord is aspecting the 7th > > house but also the 2nd lord Mercury spoils this house > with > > 6 points > > There is also a kala sarpa yoga leaving half of the chart > > empty. This person seems thus to be very self-centered > and > > a very strong Jupiter in a chart gives (in my opinion) > much > > self -righteousness. This is also seen through the values > > the planets have in Shad- bala (nothing to do with this > > system) Only poor Saturn is weak. So it could be > difficult > > for her to find somebody who suits her and perhaps she > > doesn't want to marry ?? > > If we look at the points in 3,6,10 and 11 they are in > > increasing order meaning that the person can stand on her > > own legs. Points in the 1st are also high compared to the > > 7th, so marriage could be difficult especially seen in a > > traditional context were men carry the authority in the > > relationship > > In august 2002 Saturn will enter Gemini, How is he going > to > > act there? He is also coming closer to her Moon and will > > enter Cancer in 2005. > > Jupiter certainly can give results if we consider his > > points but in the navamsha he gets aspect from Venus, 6th > > lord, so normally this would deny the result ??? I'm > > curious to read other comments on this chart. > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: > > 7/1/2002 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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