Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Hello Ash, I corrected Peter's chart and at least know we can discuss on the same base. I agree with you that Jupiter could have given results for childbirth, working fine for the 5th as well as for the 12th. But I suppose, having children is a " possibility " because in this case his wife couldn't have any. Perhaps, if he had married someone else, he could have had children in Jupiter period ???? Best regards Margarita --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release Date: 9/9/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Dear Ash, Margarita and List members, Good, Some dscussion is going on. Ash asked very good question. Here I would like to give a clue regarding Divisional Charts. 1) The result is based upon the points in row 17 of the worksheet. 2) The points in row 17 may be known as power of the lanet for giving the result. More points means more power for giving the result. 3) The Sixth lord and sixth sign is always treated as worst result. Here we exclued Sun and Moon as sixth lord. But the sign in sixth house is always creating obstruction. 4) Ash asked some question about Divisional chart. Perticular divisional chart is alloted a perticular function. The position of the planet in perticular div chart with respect to the main chart should be considered for type of result. Some times if a planet is capable of giving result, but if it is situated in worst sign in perticular div chart, it may spoil the result, or may deny the result. 5) Regarding Child birth in Shree Peterji's chart, refer Saptamansha div chart. The Jupiter is in the sixth sign. (sixth sign of the Rashi chart) i.e. Cancer. For child birth and the quality of the result we should Refer Saptamansha Chart. 6) Again this Jupiter is aspecting 9th house house C. So it can not give the result. Sorry This portion is not covered yet. Still some thing is to be covered. Only there should not be any confusion, So I want to clear up some more points. Some discussion I had with Ash in personal mail. Now a days, I am very busy. Again from tommorrow I am on tour up to 8th. I may come back on 6th for night halt at home. If I came early I will give some more guidance. Thanks krushna , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear Margarita and Peter, > Thank you very much for your answers. > Margarita, Krushnaji just saw Peter's chart and predicted that he > would not have any children of his own. I do not think he checked > his wifes chart, but maybe I am wrong. Hence I am curious about the > fact that is there something that I am missing. > I hope you see my confusion point. > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> > wrote: > > Hello Ash, > > I corrected Peter's chart and at least know we can discuss > > on the same base. I agree with you that Jupiter could have > > given results for childbirth, working fine for the 5th as > > well as for the 12th. But I suppose, having children is a > > " possibility " because in this case his wife couldn't have > > any. Perhaps, if he had married someone else, he could have > > had children in Jupiter period ???? > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release Date: > > 9/9/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Dear Krushna, You say that my Jupiter is in the 6th sign of the rasi chart that is Cancer. In fact Jupiter is conjunct the Sun (combust) in the 5th sign ie Gemini according to the chart we drew up when we first dicussed it and also according to all the other Vedic tecniques, even using your ayanamsa. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Dear Peter, Sun is conjuct Jupiter in the 5th house in Rasi and you are absolutely correct, but Krushnaji meant to check for Saptamsa and if you observe Jupiter in saptamsa you will find that Jupiter is in 4th house and in Cancer (now cancer is the 6th house in Rasi). This would spoil the results of Jupiter in that particular divisional chart i.e. the divisional chart that we check for children as Jupiter is in a house which is 6th house in Rasi for Saptamsa or D7. This is infact a very important observation and it has raised so many new questions. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Peter " <petermay@p...> wrote: > Dear Krushna, > You say that my Jupiter is in the 6th sign of the rasi chart that is Cancer. > In fact Jupiter is conjunct the Sun (combust) in the 5th sign ie Gemini > according to the chart we drew up when we first dicussed it and also > according to all the other Vedic tecniques, even using your ayanamsa. > > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Hello Ash, Yes I understand what you mean. But nevertheless Jupiter is in exaltation sign in Cancer. I also did the " basic strength " for the planets in D7 and here Jupiter scores 15 points, the most of all the planets. So I suppose 6th house matters over ride everything else ??? Best regards Margarita ashsam73 [ashsam73] Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:26 PM Re: peter's chart Dear Peter, Sun is conjuct Jupiter in the 5th house in Rasi and you are absolutely correct, but Krushnaji meant to check for Saptamsa and if you observe Jupiter in saptamsa you will find that Jupiter is in 4th house and in Cancer (now cancer is the 6th house in Rasi). This would spoil the results of Jupiter in that particular divisional chart i.e. the divisional chart that we check for children as Jupiter is in a house which is 6th house in Rasi for Saptamsa or D7. This is infact a very important observation and it has raised so many new questions. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Peter " <petermay@p...> wrote: > Dear Krushna, > You say that my Jupiter is in the 6th sign of the rasi chart that is Cancer. > In fact Jupiter is conjunct the Sun (combust) in the 5th sign ie Gemini > according to the chart we drew up when we first dicussed it and also > according to all the other Vedic tecniques, even using your ayanamsa. > > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Thanks Krushna, We will be patient and wait until things are more calm in your surroundings Good luck and best regards Margarita krushanain [krushanain] Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:47 PM Re: peter's chart Dear Ash, Margarita and List members, Good, Some dscussion is going on. Ash asked very good question. Here I would like to give a clue regarding Divisional Charts. 1) The result is based upon the points in row 17 of the worksheet. 2) The points in row 17 may be known as power of the lanet for giving the result. More points means more power for giving the result. 3) The Sixth lord and sixth sign is always treated as worst result. Here we exclued Sun and Moon as sixth lord. But the sign in sixth house is always creating obstruction. 4) Ash asked some question about Divisional chart. Perticular divisional chart is alloted a perticular function. The position of the planet in perticular div chart with respect to the main chart should be considered for type of result. Some times if a planet is capable of giving result, but if it is situated in worst sign in perticular div chart, it may spoil the result, or may deny the result. 5) Regarding Child birth in Shree Peterji's chart, refer Saptamansha div chart. The Jupiter is in the sixth sign. (sixth sign of the Rashi chart) i.e. Cancer. For child birth and the quality of the result we should Refer Saptamansha Chart. 6) Again this Jupiter is aspecting 9th house house C. So it can not give the result. Sorry This portion is not covered yet. Still some thing is to be covered. Only there should not be any confusion, So I want to clear up some more points. Some discussion I had with Ash in personal mail. Now a days, I am very busy. Again from tommorrow I am on tour up to 8th. I may come back on 6th for night halt at home. If I came early I will give some more guidance. Thanks krushna , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear Margarita and Peter, > Thank you very much for your answers. > Margarita, Krushnaji just saw Peter's chart and predicted that he > would not have any children of his own. I do not think he checked > his wifes chart, but maybe I am wrong. Hence I am curious about the > fact that is there something that I am missing. > I hope you see my confusion point. > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> > wrote: > > Hello Ash, > > I corrected Peter's chart and at least know we can discuss > > on the same base. I agree with you that Jupiter could have > > given results for childbirth, working fine for the 5th as > > well as for the 12th. But I suppose, having children is a > > " possibility " because in this case his wife couldn't have > > any. Perhaps, if he had married someone else, he could have > > had children in Jupiter period ???? > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release Date: > > 9/9/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Dear Margarita, Thanks for your feeback. From the old posts and I also remember Krushnaji giving an study chart to identify that planets in exaltation always do not give good results infact the opposite. It was better that planets were debilitated as it would send benefic aspects. Planets in 6th house or the 6th sign are supposed to be treated as opposite point wise unless 6th lord is in its own sign. Sign placement of Guru in Cancer would ensure that Guru has full backing (multiplication factor) to do whatever task it will do be it so good or bad. So for checking the quality of NK for children and the strongest significator in Saptamsa Guru is in Cancer which is 6th sign in Rasi and its got full backing from the sign of cancer which is the uncha rasi for guru to do its task and in this case fully spoil Jupiter and NK for children. These are the things I could think off for now off the top of my hat. I also still have not understood that despite being lord of house D and aspecting 9th house it still did not give result. I guess there are some more points that I do not know and Krushnaji has said in this post that he will guide us as he did not want us to get confused. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Ash, > Yes I understand what you mean. But nevertheless Jupiter is > in exaltation sign in Cancer. > I also did the " basic strength " for the planets in D7 and > here Jupiter scores 15 points, the most of all the planets. > So I suppose 6th house matters over ride everything else > ??? > Best regards > Margarita > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:26 PM > > Re: peter's chart > > Dear Peter, > > Sun is conjuct Jupiter in the 5th house in Rasi and you are > absolutely correct, but Krushnaji meant to check for > Saptamsa and if > you observe Jupiter in saptamsa you will find that Jupiter > is in 4th > house and in Cancer (now cancer is the 6th house in Rasi). > This would spoil the results of Jupiter in that particular > divisional > chart i.e. the divisional chart that we check for children > as Jupiter > is in a house which is 6th house in Rasi for Saptamsa or > D7. > > This is infact a very important observation and it has > raised so many > new questions. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " Peter " > <petermay@p...> wrote: > > Dear Krushna, > > You say that my Jupiter is in the 6th sign of the rasi > chart that > is Cancer. > > In fact Jupiter is conjunct the Sun (combust) in the 5th > sign ie > Gemini > > according to the chart we drew up when we first dicussed > it and also > > according to all the other Vedic tecniques, even using > your > ayanamsa. > > > > Peter > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Yes Ash, This is probably true. There are so many subtleties we don't understand. But it was a good idea to pick up this chart again. After some time and with more knowledge it looks different than the first study we made of it Best regards Margarita ashsam73 [ashsam73] Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:44 PM Re: peter's chart Dear Margarita, Thanks for your feeback. From the old posts and I also remember Krushnaji giving an study chart to identify that planets in exaltation always do not give good results infact the opposite. It was better that planets were debilitated as it would send benefic aspects. Planets in 6th house or the 6th sign are supposed to be treated as opposite point wise unless 6th lord is in its own sign. Sign placement of Guru in Cancer would ensure that Guru has full backing (multiplication factor) to do whatever task it will do be it so good or bad. So for checking the quality of NK for children and the strongest significator in Saptamsa Guru is in Cancer which is 6th sign in Rasi and its got full backing from the sign of cancer which is the uncha rasi for guru to do its task and in this case fully spoil Jupiter and NK for children. These are the things I could think off for now off the top of my hat. I also still have not understood that despite being lord of house D and aspecting 9th house it still did not give result. I guess there are some more points that I do not know and Krushnaji has said in this post that he will guide us as he did not want us to get confused. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Ash, > Yes I understand what you mean. But nevertheless Jupiter is > in exaltation sign in Cancer. > I also did the " basic strength " for the planets in D7 and > here Jupiter scores 15 points, the most of all the planets. > So I suppose 6th house matters over ride everything else > ??? > Best regards > Margarita > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:26 PM > > Re: peter's chart > > Dear Peter, > > Sun is conjuct Jupiter in the 5th house in Rasi and you are > absolutely correct, but Krushnaji meant to check for > Saptamsa and if > you observe Jupiter in saptamsa you will find that Jupiter > is in 4th > house and in Cancer (now cancer is the 6th house in Rasi). > This would spoil the results of Jupiter in that particular > divisional > chart i.e. the divisional chart that we check for children > as Jupiter > is in a house which is 6th house in Rasi for Saptamsa or > D7. > > This is infact a very important observation and it has > raised so many > new questions. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " Peter " > <petermay@p...> wrote: > > Dear Krushna, > > You say that my Jupiter is in the 6th sign of the rasi > chart that > is Cancer. > > In fact Jupiter is conjunct the Sun (combust) in the 5th > sign ie > Gemini > > according to the chart we drew up when we first dicussed > it and also > > according to all the other Vedic tecniques, even using > your > ayanamsa. > > > > Peter > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2002 Report Share Posted October 4, 2002 Dear Margarita, Yes, true, there are lots of subtlities that we dont understand and our effort is to understand those . Sometimes I just like to go back to basics and try to see how some of the charts have been analysed. Peterji's chart is a wonderful example as it unfolded events but like you said, its always good to revisit charts and we can always learn something more. Me stumbling across that fact that LOD aspecting a house could not give result just kinda made me wonder and come up with this confusion. In anycase, Krushnaji has touched up on the reason for that using divisional charts and I am very happy. Guess what now we will have an opportunity to even further refine or looking into a chart with more deapth and some of the unanswered queries that we had shelved might be answered. If anyone on the list has any chart that they want to put forward please feel free to it will give everyone a learning opportunity. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Have a great weekend. Ash , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Yes Ash, This is probably true. There are so many > subtleties we don't understand. But it was a good idea to > pick up this chart again. After some time and with more > knowledge it looks different than the first study we made > of it > Best regards > Margarita > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:44 PM > > Re: peter's chart > > Dear Margarita, > > Thanks for your feeback. From the old posts and I also > remember > Krushnaji giving an study chart to identify that planets in > exaltation always do not give good results infact the > opposite. It > was better that planets were debilitated as it would send > benefic > aspects. > > Planets in 6th house or the 6th sign are supposed to be > treated as > opposite point wise unless 6th lord is in its own sign. > > Sign placement of Guru in Cancer would ensure that Guru has > full > backing (multiplication factor) to do whatever task it will > do be it > so good or bad. > > So for checking the quality of NK for children and the > strongest > significator in Saptamsa Guru is in Cancer which is 6th > sign in Rasi > and its got full backing from the sign of cancer which is > the uncha > rasi for guru to do its task and in this case fully spoil > Jupiter and > NK for children. > > These are the things I could think off for now off the top > of my > hat. I also still have not understood that despite being > lord of > house D and aspecting 9th house it still did not give > result. I > guess there are some more points that I do not know and > Krushnaji has > said in this post that he will guide us as he did not want > us to get > confused. > > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " dmlettens " > <dmlettens@s...> > wrote: > > Hello Ash, > > Yes I understand what you mean. But nevertheless Jupiter > is > > in exaltation sign in Cancer. > > I also did the " basic strength " for the planets in D7 and > > here Jupiter scores 15 points, the most of all the > planets. > > So I suppose 6th house matters over ride everything else > > ??? > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > > Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:26 PM > > > > Re: peter's chart > > > > Dear Peter, > > > > Sun is conjuct Jupiter in the 5th house in Rasi and you > are > > absolutely correct, but Krushnaji meant to check for > > Saptamsa and if > > you observe Jupiter in saptamsa you will find that > Jupiter > > is in 4th > > house and in Cancer (now cancer is the 6th house in > Rasi). > > This would spoil the results of Jupiter in that > particular > > divisional > > chart i.e. the divisional chart that we check for > children > > as Jupiter > > is in a house which is 6th house in Rasi for Saptamsa or > > D7. > > > > This is infact a very important observation and it has > > raised so many > > new questions. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > , " Peter " > > <petermay@p...> wrote: > > > Dear Krushna, > > > You say that my Jupiter is in the 6th sign of the rasi > > chart that > > is Cancer. > > > In fact Jupiter is conjunct the Sun (combust) in the > 5th > > sign ie > > Gemini > > > according to the chart we drew up when we first > dicussed > > it and also > > > according to all the other Vedic tecniques, even using > > your > > ayanamsa. > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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