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Hello Ash,

I corrected Peter's chart and at least know we can discuss

on the same base. I agree with you that Jupiter could have

given results for childbirth, working fine for the 5th as

well as for the 12th. But I suppose, having children is a

" possibility " because in this case his wife couldn't have

any. Perhaps, if he had married someone else, he could have

had children in Jupiter period ????

Best regards

Margarita

 

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Dear Ash, Margarita and List members,

Good, Some dscussion is going on. Ash asked very good question.

Here I would like to give a clue regarding Divisional Charts.

1) The result is based upon the points in row 17 of the worksheet.

2) The points in row 17 may be known as power of the lanet for giving

the result. More points means more power for giving the result.

3) The Sixth lord and sixth sign is always treated as worst result.

Here we exclued Sun and Moon as sixth lord. But the sign in sixth

house is always creating obstruction.

4) Ash asked some question about Divisional chart. Perticular

divisional chart is alloted a perticular function. The position of

the planet in perticular div chart with respect to the main chart

should be considered for type of result. Some times if a planet is

capable of giving result, but if it is situated in worst sign in

perticular div chart, it may spoil the result, or may deny the

result.

5) Regarding Child birth in Shree Peterji's chart, refer Saptamansha

div chart. The Jupiter is in the sixth sign. (sixth sign of the Rashi

chart) i.e. Cancer. For child birth and the quality of the result we

should Refer Saptamansha Chart.

6) Again this Jupiter is aspecting 9th house house C. So it can not

give the result.

Sorry This portion is not covered yet. Still some thing is to

be covered. Only there should not be any confusion, So I want to

clear up some more points. Some discussion I had with Ash in personal

mail.

Now a days, I am very busy. Again from tommorrow I am on tour

up to 8th. I may come back on 6th for night halt at home. If I came

early I will give some more guidance.

Thanks

krushna

 

 

, " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...>

wrote:

> Dear Margarita and Peter,

> Thank you very much for your answers.

> Margarita, Krushnaji just saw Peter's chart and predicted that he

> would not have any children of his own. I do not think he checked

> his wifes chart, but maybe I am wrong. Hence I am curious about

the

> fact that is there something that I am missing.

> I hope you see my confusion point.

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...>

> wrote:

> > Hello Ash,

> > I corrected Peter's chart and at least know we can discuss

> > on the same base. I agree with you that Jupiter could have

> > given results for childbirth, working fine for the 5th as

> > well as for the 12th. But I suppose, having children is a

> > " possibility " because in this case his wife couldn't have

> > any. Perhaps, if he had married someone else, he could have

> > had children in Jupiter period ????

> > Best regards

> > Margarita

> >

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Dear Krushna,

You say that my Jupiter is in the 6th sign of the rasi chart that is Cancer.

In fact Jupiter is conjunct the Sun (combust) in the 5th sign ie Gemini

according to the chart we drew up when we first dicussed it and also

according to all the other Vedic tecniques, even using your ayanamsa.

 

Peter

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Dear Peter,

 

Sun is conjuct Jupiter in the 5th house in Rasi and you are

absolutely correct, but Krushnaji meant to check for Saptamsa and if

you observe Jupiter in saptamsa you will find that Jupiter is in 4th

house and in Cancer (now cancer is the 6th house in Rasi).

This would spoil the results of Jupiter in that particular divisional

chart i.e. the divisional chart that we check for children as Jupiter

is in a house which is 6th house in Rasi for Saptamsa or D7.

 

This is infact a very important observation and it has raised so many

new questions.

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

, " Peter " <petermay@p...> wrote:

> Dear Krushna,

> You say that my Jupiter is in the 6th sign of the rasi chart that

is Cancer.

> In fact Jupiter is conjunct the Sun (combust) in the 5th sign ie

Gemini

> according to the chart we drew up when we first dicussed it and also

> according to all the other Vedic tecniques, even using your

ayanamsa.

>

> Peter

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Hello Ash,

Yes I understand what you mean. But nevertheless Jupiter is

in exaltation sign in Cancer.

I also did the " basic strength " for the planets in D7 and

here Jupiter scores 15 points, the most of all the planets.

So I suppose 6th house matters over ride everything else

???

Best regards

Margarita

 

ashsam73 [ashsam73]

Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:26 PM

 

Re: peter's chart

 

Dear Peter,

 

Sun is conjuct Jupiter in the 5th house in Rasi and you are

absolutely correct, but Krushnaji meant to check for

Saptamsa and if

you observe Jupiter in saptamsa you will find that Jupiter

is in 4th

house and in Cancer (now cancer is the 6th house in Rasi).

This would spoil the results of Jupiter in that particular

divisional

chart i.e. the divisional chart that we check for children

as Jupiter

is in a house which is 6th house in Rasi for Saptamsa or

D7.

 

This is infact a very important observation and it has

raised so many

new questions.

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

, " Peter "

<petermay@p...> wrote:

> Dear Krushna,

> You say that my Jupiter is in the 6th sign of the rasi

chart that

is Cancer.

> In fact Jupiter is conjunct the Sun (combust) in the 5th

sign ie

Gemini

> according to the chart we drew up when we first dicussed

it and also

> according to all the other Vedic tecniques, even using

your

ayanamsa.

>

> Peter

 

 

 

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Thanks Krushna, We will be patient and wait until things

are more calm in your surroundings

Good luck and best regards

Margarita

 

 

krushanain [krushanain]

Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:47 PM

 

Re: peter's chart

 

Dear Ash, Margarita and List members,

Good, Some dscussion is going on. Ash asked very

good question.

Here I would like to give a clue regarding Divisional

Charts.

1) The result is based upon the points in row 17 of the

worksheet.

2) The points in row 17 may be known as power of the lanet

for giving

the result. More points means more power for giving the

result.

3) The Sixth lord and sixth sign is always treated as worst

result.

Here we exclued Sun and Moon as sixth lord. But the sign in

sixth

house is always creating obstruction.

4) Ash asked some question about Divisional chart.

Perticular

divisional chart is alloted a perticular function. The

position of

the planet in perticular div chart with respect to the main

chart

should be considered for type of result. Some times if a

planet is

capable of giving result, but if it is situated in worst

sign in

perticular div chart, it may spoil the result, or may deny

the

result.

5) Regarding Child birth in Shree Peterji's chart, refer

Saptamansha

div chart. The Jupiter is in the sixth sign. (sixth sign of

the Rashi

chart) i.e. Cancer. For child birth and the quality of the

result we

should Refer Saptamansha Chart.

6) Again this Jupiter is aspecting 9th house house C. So it

can not

give the result.

Sorry This portion is not covered yet. Still some

thing is to

be covered. Only there should not be any confusion, So I

want to

clear up some more points. Some discussion I had with Ash

in personal

mail.

Now a days, I am very busy. Again from tommorrow I

am on tour

up to 8th. I may come back on 6th for night halt at home.

If I came

early I will give some more guidance.

Thanks

krushna

 

 

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73@h...>

wrote:

> Dear Margarita and Peter,

> Thank you very much for your answers.

> Margarita, Krushnaji just saw Peter's chart and predicted

that he

> would not have any children of his own. I do not think

he checked

> his wifes chart, but maybe I am wrong. Hence I am

curious about

the

> fact that is there something that I am missing.

> I hope you see my confusion point.

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " dmlettens "

<dmlettens@s...>

> wrote:

> > Hello Ash,

> > I corrected Peter's chart and at least know we can

discuss

> > on the same base. I agree with you that Jupiter could

have

> > given results for childbirth, working fine for the 5th

as

> > well as for the 12th. But I suppose, having children is

a

> > " possibility " because in this case his wife couldn't

have

> > any. Perhaps, if he had married someone else, he could

have

> > had children in Jupiter period ????

> > Best regards

> > Margarita

> >

> > ---

> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.

> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system

(http://www.grisoft.com).

> > Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release Date:

> > 9/9/2002

 

 

 

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Dear Margarita,

 

Thanks for your feeback. From the old posts and I also remember

Krushnaji giving an study chart to identify that planets in

exaltation always do not give good results infact the opposite. It

was better that planets were debilitated as it would send benefic

aspects.

 

Planets in 6th house or the 6th sign are supposed to be treated as

opposite point wise unless 6th lord is in its own sign.

 

Sign placement of Guru in Cancer would ensure that Guru has full

backing (multiplication factor) to do whatever task it will do be it

so good or bad.

 

So for checking the quality of NK for children and the strongest

significator in Saptamsa Guru is in Cancer which is 6th sign in Rasi

and its got full backing from the sign of cancer which is the uncha

rasi for guru to do its task and in this case fully spoil Jupiter and

NK for children.

 

These are the things I could think off for now off the top of my

hat. I also still have not understood that despite being lord of

house D and aspecting 9th house it still did not give result. I

guess there are some more points that I do not know and Krushnaji has

said in this post that he will guide us as he did not want us to get

confused.

 

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

, " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...>

wrote:

> Hello Ash,

> Yes I understand what you mean. But nevertheless Jupiter is

> in exaltation sign in Cancer.

> I also did the " basic strength " for the planets in D7 and

> here Jupiter scores 15 points, the most of all the planets.

> So I suppose 6th house matters over ride everything else

> ???

> Best regards

> Margarita

>

> ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:26 PM

>

> Re: peter's chart

>

> Dear Peter,

>

> Sun is conjuct Jupiter in the 5th house in Rasi and you are

> absolutely correct, but Krushnaji meant to check for

> Saptamsa and if

> you observe Jupiter in saptamsa you will find that Jupiter

> is in 4th

> house and in Cancer (now cancer is the 6th house in Rasi).

> This would spoil the results of Jupiter in that particular

> divisional

> chart i.e. the divisional chart that we check for children

> as Jupiter

> is in a house which is 6th house in Rasi for Saptamsa or

> D7.

>

> This is infact a very important observation and it has

> raised so many

> new questions.

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

> , " Peter "

> <petermay@p...> wrote:

> > Dear Krushna,

> > You say that my Jupiter is in the 6th sign of the rasi

> chart that

> is Cancer.

> > In fact Jupiter is conjunct the Sun (combust) in the 5th

> sign ie

> Gemini

> > according to the chart we drew up when we first dicussed

> it and also

> > according to all the other Vedic tecniques, even using

> your

> ayanamsa.

> >

> > Peter

>

>

>

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Yes Ash, This is probably true. There are so many

subtleties we don't understand. But it was a good idea to

pick up this chart again. After some time and with more

knowledge it looks different than the first study we made

of it

Best regards

Margarita

 

ashsam73 [ashsam73]

Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:44 PM

 

Re: peter's chart

 

Dear Margarita,

 

Thanks for your feeback. From the old posts and I also

remember

Krushnaji giving an study chart to identify that planets in

exaltation always do not give good results infact the

opposite. It

was better that planets were debilitated as it would send

benefic

aspects.

 

Planets in 6th house or the 6th sign are supposed to be

treated as

opposite point wise unless 6th lord is in its own sign.

 

Sign placement of Guru in Cancer would ensure that Guru has

full

backing (multiplication factor) to do whatever task it will

do be it

so good or bad.

 

So for checking the quality of NK for children and the

strongest

significator in Saptamsa Guru is in Cancer which is 6th

sign in Rasi

and its got full backing from the sign of cancer which is

the uncha

rasi for guru to do its task and in this case fully spoil

Jupiter and

NK for children.

 

These are the things I could think off for now off the top

of my

hat. I also still have not understood that despite being

lord of

house D and aspecting 9th house it still did not give

result. I

guess there are some more points that I do not know and

Krushnaji has

said in this post that he will guide us as he did not want

us to get

confused.

 

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

, " dmlettens "

<dmlettens@s...>

wrote:

> Hello Ash,

> Yes I understand what you mean. But nevertheless Jupiter

is

> in exaltation sign in Cancer.

> I also did the " basic strength " for the planets in D7 and

> here Jupiter scores 15 points, the most of all the

planets.

> So I suppose 6th house matters over ride everything else

> ???

> Best regards

> Margarita

>

> ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:26 PM

>

> Re: peter's chart

>

> Dear Peter,

>

> Sun is conjuct Jupiter in the 5th house in Rasi and you

are

> absolutely correct, but Krushnaji meant to check for

> Saptamsa and if

> you observe Jupiter in saptamsa you will find that

Jupiter

> is in 4th

> house and in Cancer (now cancer is the 6th house in

Rasi).

> This would spoil the results of Jupiter in that

particular

> divisional

> chart i.e. the divisional chart that we check for

children

> as Jupiter

> is in a house which is 6th house in Rasi for Saptamsa or

> D7.

>

> This is infact a very important observation and it has

> raised so many

> new questions.

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

> , " Peter "

> <petermay@p...> wrote:

> > Dear Krushna,

> > You say that my Jupiter is in the 6th sign of the rasi

> chart that

> is Cancer.

> > In fact Jupiter is conjunct the Sun (combust) in the

5th

> sign ie

> Gemini

> > according to the chart we drew up when we first

dicussed

> it and also

> > according to all the other Vedic tecniques, even using

> your

> ayanamsa.

> >

> > Peter

>

>

>

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Dear Margarita,

Yes, true, there are lots of subtlities that we dont understand and

our effort is to understand those :).

Sometimes I just like to go back to basics and try to see how some

of the charts have been analysed. Peterji's chart is a wonderful

example as it unfolded events but like you said, its always good to

revisit charts and we can always learn something more.

Me stumbling across that fact that LOD aspecting a house could not

give result just kinda made me wonder and come up with this

confusion. In anycase, Krushnaji has touched up on the reason for

that using divisional charts and I am very happy.

Guess what now we will have an opportunity to even further refine or

looking into a chart with more deapth and some of the unanswered

queries that we had shelved might be answered.

 

If anyone on the list has any chart that they want to put forward

please feel free to it will give everyone a learning opportunity.

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Have a great weekend.

Ash

 

 

 

, " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...>

wrote:

> Yes Ash, This is probably true. There are so many

> subtleties we don't understand. But it was a good idea to

> pick up this chart again. After some time and with more

> knowledge it looks different than the first study we made

> of it

> Best regards

> Margarita

>

> ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:44 PM

>

> Re: peter's chart

>

> Dear Margarita,

>

> Thanks for your feeback. From the old posts and I also

> remember

> Krushnaji giving an study chart to identify that planets in

> exaltation always do not give good results infact the

> opposite. It

> was better that planets were debilitated as it would send

> benefic

> aspects.

>

> Planets in 6th house or the 6th sign are supposed to be

> treated as

> opposite point wise unless 6th lord is in its own sign.

>

> Sign placement of Guru in Cancer would ensure that Guru has

> full

> backing (multiplication factor) to do whatever task it will

> do be it

> so good or bad.

>

> So for checking the quality of NK for children and the

> strongest

> significator in Saptamsa Guru is in Cancer which is 6th

> sign in Rasi

> and its got full backing from the sign of cancer which is

> the uncha

> rasi for guru to do its task and in this case fully spoil

> Jupiter and

> NK for children.

>

> These are the things I could think off for now off the top

> of my

> hat. I also still have not understood that despite being

> lord of

> house D and aspecting 9th house it still did not give

> result. I

> guess there are some more points that I do not know and

> Krushnaji has

> said in this post that he will guide us as he did not want

> us to get

> confused.

>

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

> , " dmlettens "

> <dmlettens@s...>

> wrote:

> > Hello Ash,

> > Yes I understand what you mean. But nevertheless Jupiter

> is

> > in exaltation sign in Cancer.

> > I also did the " basic strength " for the planets in D7 and

> > here Jupiter scores 15 points, the most of all the

> planets.

> > So I suppose 6th house matters over ride everything else

> > ???

> > Best regards

> > Margarita

> >

> > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:26 PM

> >

> > Re: peter's chart

> >

> > Dear Peter,

> >

> > Sun is conjuct Jupiter in the 5th house in Rasi and you

> are

> > absolutely correct, but Krushnaji meant to check for

> > Saptamsa and if

> > you observe Jupiter in saptamsa you will find that

> Jupiter

> > is in 4th

> > house and in Cancer (now cancer is the 6th house in

> Rasi).

> > This would spoil the results of Jupiter in that

> particular

> > divisional

> > chart i.e. the divisional chart that we check for

> children

> > as Jupiter

> > is in a house which is 6th house in Rasi for Saptamsa or

> > D7.

> >

> > This is infact a very important observation and it has

> > raised so many

> > new questions.

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> > , " Peter "

> > <petermay@p...> wrote:

> > > Dear Krushna,

> > > You say that my Jupiter is in the 6th sign of the rasi

> > chart that

> > is Cancer.

> > > In fact Jupiter is conjunct the Sun (combust) in the

> 5th

> > sign ie

> > Gemini

> > > according to the chart we drew up when we first

> dicussed

> > it and also

> > > according to all the other Vedic tecniques, even using

> > your

> > ayanamsa.

> > >

> > > Peter

> >

> >

> >

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