one chart for reading

December 24, 2002

Dear Ram,

How confident are you of your friends birth time ?

I am getting the ascendent in the early degrees of Capricorn, we are

using Krushnas ayanamsa here on this list.

Could you please confirm the same. Is it possible for his birth

time to be earlier ? So that the ascendent becomes Sagittarius ?

Could you Please confirm the same, also a few events from the past

would help to confirm the birth time ?

In any case using both the ascendents, I am not getting the fact

that your friend is extremely intellegent. He has average

intellegence. Could you also please explain what you mean by

extremely intellegent at times ?

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " ved_ram

<ved_ram> " <ved_ram> wrote:

> hi friends!

> i am new to this sytem of astrology.i putting forward a chart of

my

> friend whom i know since my childhood i already had discussions on

> this chart at other vedci astrology groups.most of the predictions

> dint come so accurate as i expected.this i am saying because i

know

> this indvidual since 20yrs.if anyone can throw light on the good

and

> bad of this horoscope from marriage health and carrer point of

view.i

> will be thankful to you all.

> i will give further details of this indvidual after seeing the

> readings of the learned members.this is a chart of a intresting

> individual who is like a child sometimes and sometimes like a

great

> philosopher with a very high intelligence but too depressive

nature.

>

> details

> d.o.b 9-9-1973

> place latitude 17 n 42 longitude 83 e 20

> time 3;30 pm

> hoping for your kind co operation

> yours

> ram

December 27, 2002

Hello Ram and Ash,

I also looked at this chart and come to the same conclusion

about intelligence as Ash, according to this system anyway.

But even with the limited experience I have, it seems to

indicate this rather accurately. Now there are of course

different kinds of intelligence and the one Krushna

mentioned was the capacity of the mind to grasp things

(like when taking a photo). I suppose an analytical mind

works somehow differently.

Perhaps his analytical capacities come through the presence

of asc Moon and Jupiter in Shravana nakshatra which is an

asterism of speech and listening that gives knowledge and

understanding which makes it possible to absorb the

" essence " of things. To be able to absorb things supposes a

great sensitivity. Personally I have seen many natives with

Moon in Capricorn who are always worrying; here the native

is especially worrying about himself. The self focus is

rather strong and Jupiter in the first in rasi, navamsa,

drekkana and trimsamsa reinforces this. If the native

behaves like a child, I think it's to get the attention he

needs so much. I cannot see " depression " because that would

indicate a strong influence of Saturn on at least the Moon

and this is not the case here. But Moon and Mars have 4/10

relationship in div. charts and this is important I think.

Saturn can also give good mental abilities for mental

structuring.

Looking at the position of the Moon in the divisional

charts, it's associated with Venus/Jupiter, this could be a

picture of his mental outlook. We also see poor Saturn who

cannot get rid of Ketu in the divisional charts. This

weakens his capacities and the sense of reality

The position of Mercury usually indicates the domain where

worries occur; here it's the 8th house with the 8th lord,

so this can have many significations but the 8th house is

also house A for the 1st.

Looking at the 10th lords from asc and Sun/Moon, we see

that it's Venus and Venus is in Venus navamsa. This

indicates more an artistic nature or anyway a nature very

strongly influenced by this planet because that is what he

is seeking. Venus is also strong for the 5th house and the

12th, houses concerned with " creativity " in a very large

sense. Note also that Mars is giving points to Venus!

I think that if the native is depressed it is because he

cannot live according to his nature!!!

He is now running Rahu/Mars (according to Krushna

ayanamsa). Mars does not favor studies because he has low

points for the 1st, 5th and 9th houses, so he could have

some difficulties.

Actually the native is experiencing a Saturn come back; in

my experience this is always an important period in life

were major decisions are taken. Mars can also give marriage

during this bukti (I mean traditional marriage) but I think

low points for the 5th and 12th are not an indication of

much love and affection in the traditional way)

Well, I find the chart interesting especially that I have

been trying to find out what " depressing " really means and

how it is seen a a chart. Perhaps Krushna (pleeeaaase)

could give us some hints ??

Best regards

Margarita

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December 27, 2002

dear margarita and ash,

thanks for your valuable comments on this chart i would like to give

some more information about this person.

you r correct in prediciting some points.yes he has a very strong

anlytical skills.hope you have also noticed jupiters debilitation is

cancelled due to two factors- presence of moon and the dispositor

mars is in kendra which means he will get majority of the good

qualities that can bestowed by jupiter.again coming to inteligence

jupiter is also planet signify intelligence-ya! intelligence cannot

be defined.as you said he is verygood at understanding the essence of

any complex theories but not so good at proposing such complex

theories(so there is lack of intelligence in this regard).he is a

very good orator and good abilities to present his ideas very clearly.

yes he worries much about himself which causes very intense

depression in him for which he also has ability to recover within no

time.yes he is childish especially when others deosnt understand him.

just to attract attention of others he will act like child(thats what

i feel)

he is married and his marriage took place last year(2001) in the

month of May.he loves his wife very much but they frequently quarrel

just because he feels his wife earns more.infact he earns more but

his earnings are indirect benfits like unlimited medical coverage

vehicle loans,etc which he gets from his office.i mean to say his

gross salary is higher than his wife but net salary is less.this is

the sole reason for which wife and husband quarrel but within no time

become friends and they are very true lovers.

hope i have given sufficent data for further analysis

regards

ram

In , " dmlettens "

<dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> Hello Ram and Ash,

> I also looked at this chart and come to the same conclusion

> about intelligence as Ash, according to this system anyway.

> But even with the limited experience I have, it seems to

> indicate this rather accurately. Now there are of course

> different kinds of intelligence and the one Krushna

> mentioned was the capacity of the mind to grasp things

> (like when taking a photo). I suppose an analytical mind

> works somehow differently.

> The self focus is

> rather strong and Jupiter in the first in rasi, navamsa,

> drekkana and trimsamsa reinforces this. If the native

> behaves like a child, I think it's to get the attention he

> needs so much. I cannot see " depression " because that would

> indicate a strong influence of Saturn on at least the Moon

> and this is not the case here. But Moon and Mars have 4/10

> relationship in div. charts and this is important I think.

> Saturn can also give good mental abilities for mental

> structuring.

> Looking at the position of the Moon in the divisional

> charts, it's associated with Venus/Jupiter, this could bePerhaps

his analytical capacities come through the presence

> of asc Moon and Jupiter in Shravana nakshatra which is an

> asterism of speech and listening that gives knowledge and

> understanding which makes it possible to absorb the

> " essence " of things. To be able to absorb things supposes a

> great sensitivity. Personally I have seen many natives with

> Moon in Capricorn who are always worrying; here the native

> is especially worrying about himself. a

> picture of his mental outlook. We also see poor Saturn who

> cannot get rid of Ketu in the divisional charts. This

> weakens his capacities and the sense of reality

> The position of Mercury usually indicates the domain where

> worries occur; here it's the 8th house with the 8th lord,

> so this can have many significations but the 8th house is

> also house A for the 1st.

> Looking at the 10th lords from asc and Sun/Moon, we see

> that it's Venus and Venus is in Venus navamsa. This

> indicates more an artistic nature or anyway a nature very

> strongly influenced by this planet because that is what he

> is seeking. Venus is also strong for the 5th house and the

> 12th, houses concerned with " creativity " in a very large

> sense. Note also that Mars is giving points to Venus!

> I think that if the native is depressed it is because he

> cannot live according to his nature!!!

> He is now running Rahu/Mars (according to Krushna

> ayanamsa). Mars does not favor studies because he has low

> points for the 1st, 5th and 9th houses, so he could have

> some difficulties.

> Actually the native is experiencing a Saturn come back; in

> my experience this is always an important period in life

> were major decisions are taken. Mars can also give marriage

> during this bukti (I mean traditional marriage) but I think

> low points for the 5th and 12th are not an indication of

> much love and affection in the traditional way)

> Well, I find the chart interesting especially that I have

> been trying to find out what " depressing " really means and

> how it is seen a a chart. Perhaps Krushna (pleeeaaase)

> could give us some hints ??

> Best regards

> Margarita

>

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December 28, 2002

Helle Ram,

Thanks for

the feed back. Yes, Moon in Capricorn tends to attach much importance on

material and social values, so perhaps his wife earning more is like a kind of

stain on his reputation ?? Personally, I don’t think Jupiter is always a

blessing when in the 1st house. In the West, those people see

themselves as “much better” then their fellow men so they are not happy if others

seem to be better off. To carry a Jupiter in the 1st the rest of the

chart has to support it, especially when it is with the Moon (mind)

I think

the native lacks maturity but this hopefully will get better when getting older

and wiser ….

Best

regards

Margarita

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