Guest guest Posted December 29, 2002 Report Share Posted December 29, 2002 Dear respected list members, I'm having some doubt about lesson 7 with regards to the 4/10 relationship between planets. I've read over Krushnaji's lesson and also Sajay's instructions but its still a little confusing. I'm going by sanjay's worksheet- planets eligable for receiving points from the planets placed fourth from them. To show my exact confusion I'm giving the details of the chart I am trying to cast. Srila Prabhupada Sept 1, 1896 3:24:00 pm (5:53 East of GMT) 88e22; 22n32 (ayanamsha: 22-52-49) 1)Am I correct by putting Ma, Mo under Sun and Juptier? Because both can qualify to get points being that they have 4 or less points. Or does just one of them get the points (if so then I guess it would have to be Sun being the natural malefic?) 2) Mars is disqualified from getting points because it has 5 points. For arguments sake, what if in the same scenario Mars came up with 3 points and Moon also had 3? What would have to be done then with regards to points coming viz Jupiter and or Sun (ie. for Mars)? Thank you, -Puneet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 Hello Puneet, I casted the chart you posted but with Krushna ayanamsa which for that date is 21:23:49. This will not change the positions of the planets in the chart so this is not a problem here. To get everything clear, I give you the positions and the values I get. Rasi : asc 4°56 Capricorn; Sun 18° Leo (5); Moon 28°58 Taurus (4); Mars 17°57 Taurus (4); Mercury 12°7 Virgo (2) Júpiter 3°2 Leo (3) ;Venus 2°47 Virgo (4); Saturn 22°48 Libra (3); Rahu 2°10 Aquarius Navamsa : Mercury/Jupiter/Saturn/Ketu in Aries; Mars in Gemini; Sun/Moon in Virgo/ Venus in Capricorn and asc in aquarius. Now two important rules : when receiving points, remember that a planet having more than 4 points and the Moon never receive anything. Another rule is ; there is only one single planet in a sign that can receive, be it from one or more planets. Now in this chart we see that Moon and Mars are together in Taurus; Sun and Jupiter together in Leo. This is a 4/10 relationship and Sun/Jupiter are in the 4th place so they can give points to either Mars or Moon. Moon never gets anything. Mars here can receive points under certain circumstances but the worksheet will calculate that for you. So Mars receives points from both Sun and Jupiter and you can put both Sun and Moon under Mars Now let us imagine that for a reason Mars had 5 points, then nobody would have got the points from Sun/Jupiter because Moon never gets any and Mars has more than 4 points. In the “basic sheet” , row 20,you only have to check which planets have more than 4 points (5 till 8) and be sure never to put values under them. Hope this helps you along Best regards Margarita -----Original Message----- Puneet Joshi <sunnyjoshi25 [sunnyjoshi25] Sunday, December 29, 2002 9:37 PM To: worksheet Dear respected list members, I'm having some doubt about lesson 7 with regards to the 4/10 relationship between planets. I've read over Krushnaji's lesson and also Sajay's instructions but its still a little confusing. I'm going by sanjay's worksheet- planets eligable for receiving points from the planets placed fourth from them. To show my exact confusion I'm giving the details of the chart I am trying to cast. Srila Prabhupada Sept 1, 1896 3:24:00 pm (5:53 East of GMT) 88e22; 22n32 (ayanamsha: 22-52-49) 1)Am I correct by putting Ma, Mo under Sun and Juptier? Because both can qualify to get points being that they have 4 or less points. Or does just one of them get the points (if so then I guess it would have to be Sun being the natural malefic?) 2) Mars is disqualified from getting points because it has 5 points. For arguments sake, what if in the same scenario Mars came up with 3 points and Moon also had 3? What would have to be done then with regards to points coming viz Jupiter and or Sun (ie. for Mars)? Thank you, -Puneet To from this group, send an email to: - Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 Dear Margarita, Thanks for your help. Some technical questions: for the ayanamsha calculator given in the file section- it only gives for dates 1900 and after. So in this case what is the rule for subtracting from lahiri? Also, how do you attach files with messages? Say I want to send over a worksheet to the list. Do i have to send the message from my normal e-mail address and attach the file, instead of posting it directly from the list? I'm not sure if you're interested, or if you have already studied it, but this is a very interesting chart and also Pt. Sanjay Rath has given a partial astro-biography of this person. Since I am just beginning to learn, and I am approaching it as a spiritual discipline, this chart seems like a good one for me to work with. " If you want to know what constitutes DHARMA in a horoscope, then do study this chart and the ninth house carefully. (Sanjay Rath June 2000) " I'm a VERY novice student of astrology, but there is a power in this method. As Krushnaji said in a previous post to Visti: " it is micro astrology " , and looking over it I don't think it is a " different system " nor is the ayanamsha off from what some researchers are using in India. It will indeed take me a long time to grasp all these rules, and my time is also scarce. But I guess the proficiency will only start to come with practice. Again, thanks for your help... -Puneet , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Puneet, > I casted the chart you posted but with Krushna ayanamsa which for that date > is 21:23:49. This will not change the positions of the planets in the chart > so this is not a problem here. > To get everything clear, I give you the positions and the values I get. > Rasi : asc 4°56 Capricorn; Sun 18° Leo (5); Moon 28°58 Taurus (4); Mars > 17°57 Taurus (4); Mercury 12°7 Virgo (2) Júpiter 3°2 Leo (3) ;Venus 2°47 > Virgo (4); Saturn 22°48 Libra (3); Rahu 2°10 Aquarius > Navamsa : Mercury/Jupiter/Saturn/Ketu in Aries; Mars in Gemini; Sun/Moon in > Virgo/ Venus in Capricorn and asc in aquarius. > > Now two important rules : when receiving points, remember that a planet > having more than 4 points and the Moon never receive anything. Another rule > is ; there is only one single planet in a sign that can receive, be it from > one or more planets. > Now in this chart we see that Moon and Mars are together in Taurus; Sun and > Jupiter together in Leo. This is a 4/10 relationship and Sun/Jupiter are in > the 4th place so they can give points to either Mars or Moon. Moon never > gets anything. Mars here can receive points under certain circumstances but > the worksheet will calculate that for you. So Mars receives points from both > Sun and Jupiter and you can put both Sun and Moon under Mars > Now let us imagine that for a reason Mars had 5 points, then nobody would > have got the points from Sun/Jupiter because Moon never gets any and Mars > has more than 4 points. > In the " basic sheet " , row 20,you only have to check which planets have > more than 4 points (5 till 8) and be sure never to put values under them. > Hope this helps you along > Best regards > Margarita > > Puneet Joshi <sunnyjoshi25> [sunnyjoshi25] > Sunday, December 29, 2002 9:37 PM > > worksheet > > Dear respected list members, > > I'm having some doubt about lesson 7 with regards to the 4/10 > relationship between planets. I've read over Krushnaji's lesson and > also Sajay's instructions but its still a little confusing. I'm going > by sanjay's worksheet- planets eligable for receiving points from the > planets placed fourth from them. To show my exact confusion I'm > giving the details of the chart I am trying to cast. > > Srila Prabhupada > Sept 1, 1896 > 3:24:00 pm (5:53 East of GMT) > 88e22; 22n32 (ayanamsha: 22-52-49) > > 1)Am I correct by putting Ma, Mo under Sun and Juptier? Because both > can qualify to get points being that they have 4 or less points. Or > does just one of them get the points (if so then I guess it would > have to be Sun being the natural malefic?) > > 2) Mars is disqualified from getting points because it has 5 points. > For arguments sake, what if in the same scenario Mars came up with 3 > points and Moon also had 3? What would have to be done then with > regards to points coming viz Jupiter and or Sun (ie. for Mars)? > > Thank you, > > -Puneet > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 Hello Puneet, Well I will go into the chart, more especially for the 9th house. As to your questions. About the ayanamsa, I cannot be of any help, I’m absolutely zero with figures but I suppose with some thinking you can fix this, or asking Sanjay who made the sheet. If we have values for 1900 and all values for the years after, it’s possible to calculate them for years earlier. I don’t know how a computer program can do this. As for copying the worksheet, I give you the following information. go to the page you want to copy and do “select all” and then copy click on or open “new workbook” which gives you a blank worksheet on the screen right click with mouse in the 1st cell and select “paste special” in the menu from the options you get select “formats” and the format will now appear (this is the empty cells) the you repeat this but select “paste special” and now the figures will pop up in the cells. Now you save this sheet somewhere so as to find it back and you can attach it to the email This is a way to send only single pages of the worksheet, otherwise the whole thing goes together and takes up a lot of space. Best regards Margarita -----Original Message----- Puneet Joshi <sunnyjoshi25 [sunnyjoshi25] Monday, December 30, 2002 8:24 PM To: Subject: Re: worksheet Dear Margarita, Thanks for your help. Some technical questions: for the ayanamsha calculator given in the file section- it only gives for dates 1900 and after. So in this case what is the rule for subtracting from lahiri? Also, how do you attach files with messages? Say I want to send over a worksheet to the list. Do i have to send the message from my normal e-mail address and attach the file, instead of posting it directly from the list? I'm not sure if you're interested, or if you have already studied it, but this is a very interesting chart and also Pt. Sanjay Rath has given a partial astro-biography of this person. Since I am just beginning to learn, and I am approaching it as a spiritual discipline, this chart seems like a good one for me to work with. " If you want to know what constitutes DHARMA in a horoscope, then do study this chart and the ninth house carefully. (Sanjay Rath June 2000) " I'm a VERY novice student of astrology, but there is a power in this method. As Krushnaji said in a previous post to Visti: " it is micro astrology " , and looking over it I don't think it is a " different system " nor is the ayanamsha off from what some researchers are using in India. It will indeed take me a long time to grasp all these rules, and my time is also scarce. But I guess the proficiency will only start to come with practice. Again, thanks for your help... -Puneet , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Puneet, > I casted the chart you posted but with Krushna ayanamsa which for that date > is 21:23:49. This will not change the positions of the planets in the chart > so this is not a problem here. > To get everything clear, I give you the positions and the values I get. > Rasi : asc 4°56 Capricorn; Sun 18° Leo (5); Moon 28°58 Taurus (4); Mars > 17°57 Taurus (4); Mercury 12°7 Virgo (2) Júpiter 3°2 Leo (3) ;Venus 2°47 > Virgo (4); Saturn 22°48 Libra (3); Rahu 2°10 Aquarius > Navamsa : Mercury/Jupiter/Saturn/Ketu in Aries; Mars in Gemini; Sun/Moon in > Virgo/ Venus in Capricorn and asc in aquarius. > > Now two important rules : when receiving points, remember that a planet > having more than 4 points and the Moon never receive anything. Another rule > is ; there is only one single planet in a sign that can receive, be it from > one or more planets. > Now in this chart we see that Moon and Mars are together in Taurus; Sun and > Jupiter together in Leo. This is a 4/10 relationship and Sun/Jupiter are in > the 4th place so they can give points to either Mars or Moon. Moon never > gets anything. Mars here can receive points under certain circumstances but > the worksheet will calculate that for you. So Mars receives points from both > Sun and Jupiter and you can put both Sun and Moon under Mars > Now let us imagine that for a reason Mars had 5 points, then nobody would > have got the points from Sun/Jupiter because Moon never gets any and Mars > has more than 4 points. > In the " basic sheet " , row 20,you only have to check which planets have > more than 4 points (5 till 8) and be sure never to put values under them. > Hope this helps you along > Best regards > Margarita > > Puneet Joshi <sunnyjoshi25> [sunnyjoshi25] > Sunday, December 29, 2002 9:37 PM > > worksheet > > Dear respected list members, > > I'm having some doubt about lesson 7 with regards to the 4/10 > relationship between planets. I've read over Krushnaji's lesson and > also Sajay's instructions but its still a little confusing. I'm going > by sanjay's worksheet- planets eligable for receiving points from the > planets placed fourth from them. To show my exact confusion I'm > giving the details of the chart I am trying to cast. > > Srila Prabhupada > Sept 1, 1896 > 3:24:00 pm (5:53 East of GMT) > 88e22; 22n32 (ayanamsha: 22-52-49) > > 1)Am I correct by putting Ma, Mo under Sun and Juptier? Because both > can qualify to get points being that they have 4 or less points. Or > does just one of them get the points (if so then I guess it would > have to be Sun being the natural malefic?) > > 2) Mars is disqualified from getting points because it has 5 points. > For arguments sake, what if in the same scenario Mars came up with 3 > points and Moon also had 3? What would have to be done then with > regards to points coming viz Jupiter and or Sun (ie. for Mars)? > > Thank you, > > -Puneet > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 Hi Puneet, You may not know me as I haven't said anything on the list for a long time. I do however read it daily. There is simple way to get the ayanamsa correct if you have your own program and depending what it is. In Parasara's light you do it one way but in Goravani it is done slightly differently. These are the only two programs which I know of an easy way so if you use any other I can't help you but there are others who may be able to. Peter S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2003 Report Share Posted January 4, 2003 Hi Peter, I don't have a computer right now, so I'm using JHL. Basically downloading it each time I am able to get to the computer lab. I think within the next few months I should be purchasing a computer. out of the two programs you mentioned which would you reccomend? I'm sure they are both packed with features. Only thing I heard somewhere was PL can only be installed once, for installing it on say another one of your computers you need to call the company. Anyway right now I think I shouldn't get ahead of myself. I'm just going to stick to the basics and work with the examples in the lessons and previous posts. Thanks, Puneet Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 Hi Puneet, It is difficut to reccomend either of the programs over the other, they are both very good. Possibly for astakavarga PL has a very slight edge as you can get it to print out all the binastaka for each planet on to the one sheet. In GJ it prints out a separate sheet for each which is a waste of paper and makes it difficult if you want to look at them all at once. Regarding needing to contact the company if you have more than one computer, it is the same for both companies. With GJ when you load the program it comes up with a random seed number and you have to contact them to get the key for that particular seed number - it is a different one everytime you try to start it up until you do get the key from GJ. With PL when you put in the original disk it reads something on your computer (a number) and you have to contact them with the number to which they will give you a key. PL is slightly better in this respect as if your computer crashes you can just put in the disk and reinstall it as the number will still be the same one. I suppose that if you have changed a major part like the hard disk you may need a new number ut I'm not sure what number the program reads on your computer. With PL in the options it gives you 8 different ayanamsa choices to take your pick it also has an " offset " at the bottom. I use the Raman ayanamsa with an offset of -26' 03 " and it is always very close to Kruchanain's. Sandy another friend uses Lahiri with a different offset so you have plenty of choice. GJ is different in that it allows you to define your own ayanamsa which I have done. Best of luck with your studies, I more or less gave up Astakavarga, not because I thought it wrong, in fact I think it about the best predictive technique I have come across but my knwledge of true traditional Vedic is insuficient for me to be able to make proper use of it and at 72 years of age I think it is too late for me to start to learn it. I do fairly well with my predictions in any case but without the pinpoint accuracy that Krushna seems to attain somehow. Peter S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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