How to find Delay

[Guest guest]

Dear Krushnaji, Philippe, Margarita and list members,

 

Yes, please go ahead and give the chart and we can do it as an

exercise. I too have some clarifications that Krushnaji can give us

when he has some free time.

 

Krushnaji and Margarita could you please comment on points and point

out if there are any mistakes or anomolies, and Krushnaji could you

please clarify some points which I have marked in CAPITAL LETTERS

(point 8 and the caps at the end of the mail regarding antra).

 

This is what I have gathered so far for predicting delays or moderate

or early marriage due to Shani.

 

1) If Shani aspects House A, House B or House C or their lords or in

combination for example, Its aspecting House A, Lord of B and Lord of

C in Navamsa then delay of event. This Is checking in Rasi and

Navamsa as they are having equal weight.

 

2) If LOA or LOB or LOC is Shani then it is also counted in

conjunction with point 1.

 

3) If Shani conjoins or sits in House A, B or C or conjoins with

their lords its also considered for delay.

 

4) If there are Zeroes in SAV then those cause further delay over and

above delay caused by Shani.

 

5) Early, Moderate or Delay is based on Desha or country. Moderate

delay in India could be equivalent to early marriage in the West.

 

6) Effects of 6th lord also have to be considered for delay.

 

7) Once you get an idea of how much delay is there based on the above

points then you also check for Aspect of Guru on Shani (also check

for conjoining of Guru with shani or Shani in nakshatra of Guru). If

this happens then Guru tends to check the delay causing effect of

Shani. So If a full blown delay is seen in a chart, its reduced to

Moderate and if a Moderate delay is seen the it may cause it to be

early.

 

8) Status of Guru is to be checked. (HOW TO TREAT GURU IF ITS 6TH

LORD ?)

CLARIFICATION KRUSHNAJI PLEASE. If in Point 7, if Guru is the 6th

lord then of if Guru is the 6th lord in in 4th from Shani then would

Guru delay the event further or cause the delay to be reduced ?

 

9) We also need to check if planets are associated with 12th lord

from the house for all events. If we are checking for Marriage then

its the 6th lord. So planets in association with 6th lords will also

tend to delay the event. Recently, I had come across a chart which I

thought indicated an early marriage and it had 1 zero point in SAV,

but there was a delay in Marriage for upto 30 years. I had inquired

to Krushnaji regarding delay and the reason, and Krushnaji pointed

out that all planets had some link to 6th house or 6th lord, either

in association, or in navamsa or in nakshatra, and all those things

caused delay. So we have to also study the association of the planet

with 6th lord.

 

10) Check for basic indication in the chart, actually this should be

done first like Points in 1st vs 7th, indication of denyal of

marriage or salient points like distance of Venus from Sun, Nakshatra

where Venus is (if in Krittika, or Mula or Aadra or in constellations

of Sun then venus is spoilt), Check for Karaks both Venus as NK and

2nd lord as FK and their status.

 

11) Check for points in Worksheet if planets give low points for all

7th house then difficulty in marriage as though there might be

indications for marriage but one cannot get a favourable period, here

you might want to study status of LOD and LOE.

 

12) Check for planets in the Navamsa of 6th lord in Rasi chart,

basically samdharmi to 6th lord.

 

If I have forgotton any points anyone can please feel free to add

them as per their personal experience.

 

Now all this is for basic delay depending on the desha or country for

delay, moderate or early marriage.

 

CLARIFICATION FOR NARROWING DOWN IN ANTAR DASA.

 

Once we get the delay period, then we start to check for the antra

after that delay period in a chart. Once we identify the antra then

based on the lesson we check the following to see if the period will

be 1st 1/3rd portion, 2nd or last 1/3rd portion.

 

This is what I have understood so far based on the lesson but I need

some further clarification based on planets as I think each planet we

have to study differently. This is based on the example that was

given for Venus.

 

KRUSHNAJI CLARIFICATION PLEASE.

 

FOR VENUS, if its in the sign of Shani or Guru then last 1/3rd

portion. I still do not know the logic for this. KRUSHNAJI COULD

YOU PLEASE CLARIFY THIS. SHANI I CAN UNDERSTAND BY WHY VENUS

ASSOCIATED WITH GURU PUTS THE EVENT IN THE LAST 1/3RD PORTION ?

 

FOR SHANI, IF SHANI IS EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS DURING ITS ANTRA THEN

HOW TO CHECK IF IN 1ST, 2ND OR 3RD PORTION ? SIMILARY FOR MERCURY,

SUN, GURU, MOON, RAHU, KETU, MARS ?

 

NARROWING IT DOWN FURTHER, Once you know which 1/3rd portion the

event falls in then use the Transit of Sun to get the pin point date.

 

Please feel free to add points that I have missed.

 

Hope that helps,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

ps : If you have some charts we can try to find the delay as practice

and apply the laws. That will bring up further finer points.

[Guest guest]

Dear Ash,

 

thank you for your clarifications. If Krushna gets some time to teach us on

the points you underlined and that remain unclear, it will be a great help.

 

Here is a chart that can perhaps be a good exercise for people interested:

Female native, born on July 27th 1973 at 7:06 am (French official time) in

Cagnes-sur-mer (43°40'N, 7°9'E). Lagna 1°49' Leo, Moon 6°15' Gemini.

 

I will comment it later, as I know the date of the marriage. Just notice

that this woman first lived with a man without being married, then broke

their relationship and moved with another man whom she married later. Of

course, this makes things complicated. I think there are also interesting

indications in the chart concerning the quality of the marriage (or

commonlife).

 

I will send in a separate mail the chart of the husband for the case we

looked at previously.

 

Best regards

Philippe

[Guest guest]

Dear Krushnaji, Philippe, Margarita, and list members,

Here is my attempt.

 

1) Living with a man and then breaking up.

 

I would think that this would have started during Rahu/Moon antra and

broken in Jupiter/Jupiter. The dates would be 04/1990 to 09/1990

(last 1/3rd portion of Moon sub) and it might have broken in last

1/3rd portion of Guru i.e. 11/92 to 12/93.

 

2) Marriage

 

I would think that the marriage happened during Guru/Shani antra as

Shani is samdharmi to Mars and Mars has the highest points. i.e.

1993/12 thru 1996/06.

 

Since Shani is LOB and is in House C and Shani is in Gurus navamsa so

I would say that first 1/3rd portion of Shani's antra. So marriage

can take place before mid 1994.

 

Quality of marriage life is that From

Lagna Sun Saturn 2:12

Sun Moon Saturn 4:10 (Moon and Saturn are under 1 deg)

Moon Mercury Jupiter 1:7

Venus Sun Saturn 2:12

Mars Jupiter Mercury 1:7

 

So there could be tendency of the native to have less interest in her

spouse or some power struggle to dominate.

 

There is also 1 zero point in second house due to Shani in SAV.

 

Could you give feed back on my attempt till here please.

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

, " philippe bonin "

<philippe.bonin@w...> wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> thank you for your clarifications. If Krushna gets some time to

teach us on

> the points you underlined and that remain unclear, it will be a

great help.

>

> Here is a chart that can perhaps be a good exercise for people

interested:

> Female native, born on July 27th 1973 at 7:06 am (French official

time) in

> Cagnes-sur-mer (43°40'N, 7°9'E). Lagna 1°49' Leo, Moon 6°15' Gemini.

>

> I will comment it later, as I know the date of the marriage. Just

notice

> that this woman first lived with a man without being married, then

broke

> their relationship and moved with another man whom she married

later. Of

> course, this makes things complicated. I think there are also

interesting

> indications in the chart concerning the quality of the marriage (or

> commonlife).

>

> I will send in a separate mail the chart of the husband for the

case we

> looked at previously.

>

> Best regards

> Philippe

[Guest guest]

Dear Ash,

 

the native had a love affair with a boy when she was sixteen. I don't know

the dates exactly but it could be Rahu/Moon. During Guru/Shani she had

another relationship but without living with the boy (he was a student older

than her). But the commonlife (first relationship that lasted several years)

and the marriage were later.

Shani is samdharmi to Mars but is also the 6th lord and it is aspecting

Venus. Maybe it could be some cause of delay and could also spoil the

quality of marriage.

Indeed, she has always tended to dominate her partner, like you said. We can

also notice that house I has got 27 points in SAV and house VII only 19 (it

is the weakest). A thing that I found remarkable is also that Venus is

aspecting house VII from house I. Venus has got 6 points where it is in BAV.

So the aspect is really bad on VII.

 

Best regards

Philippe

[Guest guest]

Dear Krushnaji, Philippe, Margarita,

 

Yes, Shani is the 6th lord and that is why I said in my mail to

confirm till that point. If I was wrong in my analysis there would

be no point in predicting a breakup.

 

I think Venus with 6 bindus aspecting 7th house is already considered

in calculating the worksheet. So I dont think we have to consider it

seperately.

 

Yes, points in 1st/7th are 27/19. There is a lot of difference. So

some one would have to adjust or compromise.

 

Another things, Shani is with Moon, Ketu (Jupiter and Mercury).

Being 6th lord it would give temporary arrangements or temperory

marriage that will revert or romance that would revert.

 

Shani is also aspecting Venus so its spoiling it, Shani is also

aspecting Rahu and conjoing Ketu, Moon and aspecting Mars In Rasi.

 

Only planets that are not spoilt by 6th lord are Guru, Sun, Mercury.

 

Guru is in 6th house so again associated with 6th. Shani is also in

Guru's navamsa so its samdharmi to Guru.

 

So now whats left are Sun and Mercury. Here if you observe, Sun is

in nakshatra of Saturn so again there is an association with 6th lord.

 

So only planet that left is Mercury that is unassociated with 6th

lord. Here mercury has low points for 7th house and 12th house but

good points for 5th house.

 

If you also note, Mercury is 2nd lord so again during its antra there

would be a period of unecessary tention, problems, friction, tooth

aches etc.

 

As Margarita has pointed out, each planet has some flavour of 6th

house associated with it and so there would be some kind or other

issues.

 

If you also observe, Moon is very close to Shani and Ketu is also

sitting there so the native may have power to detach herself or may

show traits of meloncholy.

 

So the native may not have have many temporary arrangements. I am

considering short marriage also as temporary arrangement.

 

Please feel free to point out if I may have misunderstood any points.

 

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

 

, " philippe bonin "

<philippe.bonin@w...> wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> the native had a love affair with a boy when she was sixteen. I

don't know

> the dates exactly but it could be Rahu/Moon. During Guru/Shani she

had

> another relationship but without living with the boy (he was a

student older

> than her). But the commonlife (first relationship that lasted

several years)

> and the marriage were later.

> Shani is samdharmi to Mars but is also the 6th lord and it is

aspecting

> Venus. Maybe it could be some cause of delay and could also spoil

the

> quality of marriage.

> Indeed, she has always tended to dominate her partner, like you

said. We can

> also notice that house I has got 27 points in SAV and house VII

only 19 (it

> is the weakest). A thing that I found remarkable is also that Venus

is

> aspecting house VII from house I. Venus has got 6 points where it

is in BAV.

> So the aspect is really bad on VII.

>

> Best regards

> Philippe

[Guest guest]

Hello

Philippe,

Yes, it

could be Rahu/Moon also because Moon is natural samdharmi to Mars. Moon is also

in Mars’ navamsa

 

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philippe bonin

[philippe.bonin]

Tuesday, January 14, 2003

11:28 AM

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Re:How to find Delay

 

 

Dear Ash,

 

the native had a love affair with a boy when she was sixteen. I don't know

the dates exactly but it could be Rahu/Moon. During Guru/Shani she had

another relationship but without living with the boy (he was a student

older

than her). But the commonlife (first relationship that lasted several

years)

and the marriage were later.

Shani is samdharmi to Mars but is also the 6th lord and it is aspecting

Venus. Maybe it could be some cause of delay and could also spoil the

quality of marriage.

Indeed, she has always tended to dominate her partner, like you said. We

can

also notice that house I has got 27 points in SAV and house VII only 19 (it

is the weakest). A thing that I found remarkable is also that Venus is

aspecting house VII from house I. Venus has got 6 points where it is in

BAV.

So the aspect is really bad on VII.

 

Best regards

Philippe