question about a chart

January 16, 2003

Hello Ash,

About the husband's chart perhaps we could consider his

marriage a 5/12th house affair. Jupiter who is samdharmi

to Venus has good points for the 5th and 12th houses but

Venus' period comes first, so I think she acted for Jupiter

who comes only as last in this period. Venus also becomes a

strong significator for the 5th and 12th houses.

I think this relationship is kept together through ties

(friendship) because of the aspects between mutual

Saturn/Mars/Venus. The husband probably also has a lot of

charm because according to the 8 points of Venus in Gemini,

he should have more " sex appeal " . All planets(except

Saturn, and Mars as lord of the 6th in the 6th)) in this

chart cast negative aspects so this gives rather low points

in the worksheet. Moon especially suffers from Mercury and

Jupiter.

Best regards

Margarita

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January 16, 2003

Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Philippe,

Just 1 points, Venus is LOE for 7th house (Sco ascendent), so it does

not matter how many points it has in the worksheet, it would still be

eager to give result. Now with Venus also contributing more points

to 5th and 12th its even better. My concern were 2 things. First

one was Guru is in libra and vargottam so its spoilt and second one

was that Venus is in the Navamsa of 6th lord in Rasi so this could

indicate break in the relationship.

Actually I would like to discuss as to Why Venus gave marriage to

begin with ?

1) Venus is LOE and eager to give result, BUT it is in the Navamsa of

6th lord or rasi, so it should not have given result.

2) Did Venus give result because, FK is spoilt (Guru in libra) ?

3) Could it have been because Malefic Guru is aspecting NK Venus both

in Rasi and Navamsa ?

The reason for me questioning Venus or trying to understand why Venus

gave marriage is because if you remember when we discussed Peter's

chart regarding child birth, Krushnaji pointed out the fact that if

in the divisional chart the planet that is eager to give result in

rasi (in Peters case it was LOD or LOE), but placed in the sign of

6th lord (Sign Cancer in Peters case in Saptamsa) then despite it

being LOD or LOE and aspecting house A,B or C it would not give

result.

So for marriage, we can take Navamsa as the divisional chart being

Dharmamsa and if Venus in our case is aspecting House A in Rasi and

being placed in the sign of 6th lord then why did it give result ?

(based on the same principles)

I think this is a finer point and worth discussing. Maybe you or

Krushnaji and even Philippe can provide an explanation ?

Maybe the answer is straight forward but I cant see it.

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " dmlettens "

<dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> Hello Ash,

> About the husband's chart perhaps we could consider his

> marriage a 5/12th house affair. Jupiter who is samdharmi

> to Venus has good points for the 5th and 12th houses but

> Venus' period comes first, so I think she acted for Jupiter

> who comes only as last in this period. Venus also becomes a

> strong significator for the 5th and 12th houses.

> I think this relationship is kept together through ties

> (friendship) because of the aspects between mutual

> Saturn/Mars/Venus. The husband probably also has a lot of

> charm because according to the 8 points of Venus in Gemini,

> he should have more " sex appeal " . All planets(except

> Saturn, and Mars as lord of the 6th in the 6th)) in this

> chart cast negative aspects so this gives rather low points

> in the worksheet. Moon especially suffers from Mercury and

> Jupiter.

> Best regards

> Margarita

>

January 16, 2003

Hello Margarita,

thank you for your encouragements. You're right, one could hesitate a lot,

in the husband's chart , between Libra and Scorpio ascendant. Knowing the

man (who is a friend of mine) I had finally taken the Scorpio ascendant

because it seems to fit his temper better. As for his first child, Mars is

samdharmi to the Sun (it is in Sun's navamsa for the rectified TOB) and the

Sun is lord of D for house V=B. Mars is aspecting house A and C but I

thought that for samdharmis it didn't prevent them from giving the event.

Concerning his wife's accident when she was young, you wrote that the main

lord is often connected to lord of A. From your analysis, it seems that it

doesn't have to be samdharmi to lord of A, it can just occupy its sign (or

perhaps also its nakshatra ?) Am I right?

As for the father's death in the wife's chart, I don't understand how the

Moon could act for Saturn. I thought, Saturn being in Moon's navamsa, that

Saturn could act for the Moon but not the contrary. Could you please correct

me ?

Thank you for your analysis on these charts.

Best regards

Philippe

January 16, 2003

Dear Ash,

thank you for this calculation of the delay on the husband's chart.

I see you are making a link between temporary arrangements and connections

to 6th lord. Are there some rules about this particular point ?

I don't get the same scores for the planets in the worksheet. I find that

only Mercury and Jupiter have more than 12 points for house VII. I checked

but couldn't find a mistake. Did I neglect something ?

I also would like to ask you a question about 6th lord in VI (this is the

case here). I know one should take 8-bindus it gets and also revert the

points for the aspects but for 7th house, as 6th lord is also lord of 12th

from B, do we have to do so, ie consider its aspects in a reverse way ?

Thanks for your help.

Best regards

Philippe

January 16, 2003

Dear Philippe,

I did not know if you and I meant the same thing when I said

temporary.

When I say temporary, what I mean is that the result will happen but

it would be temporary and will revert later on making it feel like a

temporary arrangement.

6th lord is 12th from 7th house so indicates loss to house 7th.

If 6th lord is connected to 7th lord then it could indicate that if a

planet is strong enough or eager to give result, then the result will

happen but it will have flavour of 6th or seperation can occur, or

there can be some problem.

In an old discussion, Krushnaji had mentioned that its better to have

the 12th lord from a house to have low points in the worksheet also.

6th lord in the 6th I did take 8-bindus. In our case Mars has 5

bindus and is in 6th house, so I took Mars to have 3 bindus and then

taken the aspect of +5 so basically compute the worksheet considering

Mars having 3 bindus and not 5. So mars will strengthen other

planets.

Even planets in 6th house will reverse its quality. So 6th house and

planets in 6th and its lord, I think we have to be very careful.

As we discuss more and more, I think it will get more clear.

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " philippe bonin "

<philippe.bonin@w...> wrote:

> Dear Ash,

>

> thank you for this calculation of the delay on the husband's chart.

> I see you are making a link between temporary arrangements and

connections

> to 6th lord. Are there some rules about this particular point ?

>

> I don't get the same scores for the planets in the worksheet. I

find that

> only Mercury and Jupiter have more than 12 points for house VII. I

checked

> but couldn't find a mistake. Did I neglect something ?

> I also would like to ask you a question about 6th lord in VI (this

is the

> case here). I know one should take 8-bindus it gets and also revert

the

> points for the aspects but for 7th house, as 6th lord is also lord

of 12th

> from B, do we have to do so, ie consider its aspects in a reverse

way ?

>

> Thanks for your help.

> Best regards

> Philippe

January 17, 2003

Hello

Philippe,

As for the

mainlord, Yes, being in sign or nakshatra or navamsa is OK , the relationship

does’nt have to be samdharmi necessarily. So for death, if the mainlord is

related : in sign, nakshatra, navamsa, conjunct (I suppose also works) or samdharmi.

As for her

father’s death Krushna pointed out that Saturn was in Moon sign, so Moon will act

for Saturn. Samdharmi means that planets can have “same action”. I overlooked

that.

Best

regards

Margarita

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