Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 Dear Dennis, Here is an old post written by Krushnaji regarding difference between Worksheet significators and Quantum of result. This discussion was between Sanjay and Krushnaji. /message/569 You can also read all the messages in that thread. Hope that helps. Cheers !!! Ash , Denis Labouré <Laboure@W...> wrote: > Dear Asham, > > There is another answer to this problem. Perhaps the worksheet doesn't work > at all? I have made many experiences with the Krushna teachings. I have > re-written everything in a synthetic way. This is my current view: > > TOOLS WHICH WORK > * The concept about upachayas houses is excellent. > * The aspect from the lord of the 12th house from the house B works very > well (lord of 6th aspecting the 7th house, etc). > * The Krushna ayanamsa (or the J.N. Bhasin one, which is very close) seems > to work beautifully. In spite the fact there is no known rationale > underlying them) > > TOOLS WHICH DO NOT WORK > * The worksheet doesn't work. > * The method to read the Divisional charts has to be re-defined. > * The way to analyse the lord of the dasha diesn't work very well. > * The technique to link the lord of the dasa and the lord of the bukthi > doesn't really exist. > > Sorry to be so direct. I am ready to accept I do not understand some parts > of the system. > > Denis > > > > > > Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours > par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçonsd'astrologie > gratuits, visitez mon site : www.astrocours.fr.st > - > <ashsam73@h...> > > Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:25 PM > Re: Points of planets in 6th or 12th > from B > > > Dear Margarita, > > Yes it answered some questions but its brought up so many more > questions. > > Maybe its my lack of experience, because I have not seen a chart > which gives good points for pretty much all the houses but the lives > are miserable and similarly the other way around. > > Yes, last night I was going through some old archives and discussions > that You, Sanjay, Christian, Silvia, Sandy, Donna, Peter and > Krushnaji had on a couple of things. > > 1) Sanjay and Krushnaji had a good discussion on 4:10 relationship > and how it could changes the entire chart. I beleive Sanjay had > given a worksheet for 6th house having good points but Krushnaji said > that that native could not do a post of authority and basically it > was not as rosy as it seemed. (Ron's chart Shani and Guru, and how > during Shani's antra it obstructed Karaktwa of Guru becuase it was > 4:10 relationship but Planet in 10th had more bindus than planet in > 4th from it). > > 2) In discussion regarding Ron's chart, and though I still have to do > that exercise myself, I wanted to first brush up on my basics before > I attempted that. But I did go through some posts especially > regarding Marriage. There was a seperation (not permenant). > Krushnaji had picked that up from the chart and said something of > VIYOG (I dont know what that means ???) and saw that from 7th house, > that happened during antra of Mercury and Mercury had only 7 points > for 7th house. > > Definitely, Worksheet is the last thing we should check and worksheet > because worksheet gives us powerful significators that can deliver > results during their antras. > > The reason for me asking basic question on Points in 6th house, > because, I am still finding it hard to judge things when planets are > in 6th house or 6th lord. The charts that Philippe had put forward > and his questions also made me think regarding 6th house and its > lord. > > I have seen though not in 100's of charts but the little experience > that I have, is that in some instances associations with 6th lords > cause delays, in some cases its changed the nature of planet for > example, Shani the delay causing planet when placed in 6th even > though its causing delay i.e. full blown (27.5 years delay) can > change its nature and may give early marriage (after 18). > > So, then I also thought about the post in which we had discussed and > its been also told by Krushnaji regarding considering 6th lord in 6th > as 8 - bindus. I was pondering about that fact. In essence when we > take 8 - bindus, basically what we have done is changed its entire > nature. So taking 1 more step ahead, can planets being placed in 6th > house also be treated as reversing their nature, and taking it one > more step further, does that mean that planets in 6th house or 12th > from 7th, is it better for them to have less than 12 points in the > worksheet so that to keep them from becoming strong significators to > do more damage than good ? Because if they become strong then they > will deliver results during their antra or if they are samdharmi to a > strong significator. Even when they get more than 12 points they can > become samdharmi, but if the have less than 12 points they will not > take up the role of being samdharmi so cant step forward to do more > damage ? So I wanted to confirm if I was on the right track in my > thinking. > > This is where I got stuck up in my thought process. Before I go any > further I wanted to make sure that I am not getting way off.....? > > Margarita, I do understand that a chart is not just black and white, > but I am trying to understand the philosophy, thats all. > > I really want to understand or resolve this enigma of 6th house .. > till then, I'll ask questions untill its resolved in my mind (he he > he) > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " dmlettens " > <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > > Hello Ash, > > I think we have focused more on the 2nd house for divorce, > breaking up of > > marriage or death of the husband/wife; this because the 2nd is the > 8th of > > the 7th . I imagine that the 6th is also important being the 12th > from the > > 7th. But personally I'm not too sure about the whole topic. We > could also > > look at the 7th which would be the 8th of the 12th ...Planets in > the 6th > > house (12th from the 7th) will intervene is they have a > relationship with > > the marriage factors. I suppose if lords of D & E for marriage are > located > > in the 6th or aspected by the 6th lord, this will influence the > marriage, > > more so if lords of A,B, or C are related to that 6th lord; this > has to be > > found out for every case separately. > > An other important matter is the cultural background. In older > generations > > people nearly never divorced; this was because of religious > reasons; now 50% > > of all marriages break up. I don't think marriages in older > generations were > > happier than the actual ones. People's outlook and values were > different. > > Girls were also more dependent on the income of the husband which > isn't the > > case any more because they study and graduate to find a good job. > So the > > focus of marriage has certainly changed and if it is still > a " social " event > > in many countries; things are not the same as they were. In older > times > > marriage was a " must " because staying single was not considered > acceptable, > > this has changed too because people live as they please : staying > single but > > having many friends or partners they can switch more easily than a > real > > husband or wife. Actually many young people even have several > children > > without being married. > > Generally speaking planets are better off with more points but even > then we > > cannot get everything. I recently did a chart for somebody whose > wife > > cheated and left him; this during a Venus Period with 20 points for > the 2nd > > and 8 points for the 7th. OK, but he also got a very big promotion > at the > > same time. We once did a chart where somebody had an important 5th > house > > matter collecting reward and fame, but he also lost his son ! > > I see many charts/worksheets were all planets get very good points > and often > > more then 12 for nearly all houses and these people have miserable > > lives;(perhaps they rely on their points to make their charts and > life work > > ????) then I see worksheets with very low points who seem to get on > > decently, so I really don't know. Points is not everything; we have > to get > > the " feeling " of the chart also to find out how it will work out in > general; > > there are so many factors involved. > > Well, I hope this answers you question more or less > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@h...> [ashsam73@h...] > > Monday, January 20, 2003 8:34 PM > > > > Points of planets in 6th or > 12th from B > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Margarita, Philippe, > > > > I think there have been umpteen discussion on 6th lord and 12th lord > > from house B. > > > > In the recent discussion and questions raised by Philippe, and > > studying this old post by Sach > > > > /message/376 > > > > I wanted to confirm a point. > > > > For eg, in a chart if there are say 4 planets in 6th house say Mars, > > Venus, Saturn and Jupiter, and say if we are studying the chart for > > marriage, then is it better to have points for Jupiter, Saturn, > Venus > > and Mars less than 12 so that marraige can be sustained or is it > > better for the same planets to have points greater than 12 ? > > > > In Sach's reading and analysis on Tex's chart, Moon is in 6th house > > but it has 18 points so being in the 6th and with HIGH points can > > break a marriage or cause seperation ? > > > > Had Moon been with less points and in 6th house, could that have > been > > a blessing in disguise for the marriage or helped the marriage to > > sustain ? > > > > Applying similar thought process, to planets in 6th house, for > > marriage they are better off having less points than 12 in > worksheet ? > > > > Could you please confirm the same ? > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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