Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 Hi Ash and Krishna, Here is a chart of a native who has got combinations that you were talking about! “………..chart with say Guru in libra, venus spoilt i.e. either distance from sun to venus is < 3 or > 43 degrees and shani aspecting such venus and a luminiary in Rasi or Navamsa having a stable and nice marriage…………..” Birth details: Female, October 29 1982, 00-30 Hrs (IST); T.Zone-05.30 east of GMT; 14N19, 74E27. How ever the girl is not married yet! I have tried to interpret her marriage and married life applying Krishna’s teaching. Please rectify and GUIDE me. The native’s chart strongly favours few affairs before marriage. The Venus is placed along with Saturn. Mars is in fiery sign and receives aspect from both Rahu and Saturn. Even Rahu extends its fifth house aspect on Venus. I am tempted to state that the native starting with Venus bhukti, mid of 1999, might have got involved in obsession and affairs. Afflicted Mars and Venus would not allow any sense of stability though. Venus being very close to Sun, and placed with Jupiter, should not lead for any scandals. Of course, Moon is exalted in Navamsa and sitting in 7th house along with Mars and Jupiter would keep the things in control. The Jupiter expected to curtail the licentious behavior, if any suspected. Never the less emotional involvement and even a lot flirtation cannot be ruled out before and after marriage. Mars is contributing 7 BAV points in first house and it is very strong planet in chart as its cumulative contribution for all houses as per work sheet amounts to highest, 186. It is a yoga karaka planet. How ever it is placed in 6th house and 6th lord Jup in Libra, 4th house is not good for relation of any permanent nature. Afflicted 7th lord Saturn with above combination stands to indicate a lot of grinds in married life. Added to this, ascendant has got 37 SAV points with 7th house gaining only 25 points. This foretells native would try to dominate spouse. 7th lord in exaltation and in the company of Jupiter, Venus and Sun would able to get a spouse from respectable family and also socially well-placed husband. Much afflicted position of Sun and Venus, Mars and Saturn certainly not good for over all image of the native in society. Saturn’s predominant influence over 4th, 7th and 10th house could delay marriage. Not much indication of multiple marriages foreseen. The native might get married in the Rahu Antara of Saturn dasa. Period shall be around when Jupiter moves to Sagittarius and sun enters sign Aries. If consideration on placement of 7th lord and first lord to be taken for Asc, Moon and Sun, then it shows very conjugal and better compatibility in life after marriage. Whether it would be contradiction! There are sanyasi or Parivrajya yogas present in the chart! I am drawings this from conventional system. Four powerful planets Jupiter, Venus, Saturn and Sun in 4th house, Rahu exalted in 12th house, Saturn afflicting all most all planets in rasi chart ; in Navamsha, Saturn in ascendant+Venus and Sun in third house and few more combination can effect operation of Yoga. After being disillusioned with the family life in Rahu Antara of Saturn dasa whether native would prefer to stay alone in life from start of Jupiter Antara? PROFESSION: Tenth lords from Asc, Moon and Sun are Mars, Mars and Moon. Dispositor of these planets is Jup and sat in Rasi and Venus in Navamsa. Influence of mars, Venus and Jupiter over the matter of 10th house and there by on profession are predominant. But none of these planets contribute many points for the 10th house in the work sheet. Mercury and Saturn have got good points in the domain of 6th and 10th house. All these should indicate that the native may got service opportunities in the field of communication, engineering, or in an organization dealing with petrol/diesel/gasoline vehicles. Native should maintain decent position. She should enjoy better rewards for her comparatively less efforts, as 11th house points are more than 10 houses. Her 1st and 6th house have got more than 30 points that says she might not be able to establish very good rapport with superiors all the time. Never the less she should make an impression with her own effort. She shall be recognized and well known in her circle. Her second house lord is debilitated but has got 4 own points and mammoth 38 points are in 2nd house. The income should not be a worry. How ever, 10th lord in 6th and 6t lord aspecting the 10th house might give instability and tension in the works. How ever if study of the bhukti taken, it looks the native might not able to secure any permanent jobs until start of Sat-Rahu, tat is around March 2006. During the same period the native might get engaged in communication field or finance. The image of the native is likely to be enhanced. The start of Mercury dasa should see a lot changes. Native may enter the literature field and shine very well being reputed author. I prefer to continue discussion on the chart if not objected, in subsequent mails. Thanks, Rajashri. Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Dear Rajashri, Thank you for posting this chart. Yes this chart is indeed interesting. And very good analysis. I hate saying this but due to lack of time and internet access I shall the 2 points i.e. Marriage and Career seperately in different emails. Here is my attempt at this chart. Marriage. Overall chart. 6th lord is Guru. Its in 4th house so 6th lord in 4th house with 6 bindus reduces marritial happiness. Venus being so close to Sun i.e. 1.59 degrees and its spoilt. So natural karak is spoilt. For cancer ascendent FK for marriage is Sun and its placed in 4th house i.e. House D with 4 bindus. As you have pointed out the native has very high bindus in 1st house that could show a stubborn and an adament person and would try to dominate the partner as 7th house has 25 bindus. Lets look at 5th house. All planets have low points except LOD and LOE i.e. Mars and Sun with 17 and 18 points. This coupled with high points in 1st house (adament) and NK venus being so close to sun i.e. its grace is overshadowed by sun, infact I feel that the native might be too picky and she herself could be the cause of delay in her marriage. Here is something very interesting that stuck out of the Fact of Guru being in Libra. Guru dev guru is in rakshash gurus house i.e venus in both rasi and navamsa. Here in this chart karak is spoilt, 6th lord in 4th, lagna-sun-moon- mars-venus and thier 7th are in 5:9, 3:11, 2:12, 3:11, 2:12, points in 1st/7th are 37/25 . This lady has 3 spots in divisional chart i.e. navamsa, drekkhana and trimsamsa in the sign of venus and 2 in sign of saturn so is quite smart and intellegent and inclinded towards venusian things. So considering all these factors happiness from marriage is not guaranteed. There is full delay as guru in libra and NK is spoilt so it cannot control the delay but this chart can show break of marriage so marriage can happen during Shani/Moon (lowest significator) i.e. with 8 bindus. After that Rahu's period she has to be careful as Rahu represents LOE..... Krushnaji, please give input on this chart when you have some free time. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , Rajashri Naik <rajaloli> wrote: > > Hi > > Ash and Krishna, > > > > Here is a chart of a native who has got combinations that you were talking about! > > > > " ………..chart with say Guru in libra, venus spoilt i.e. either > distance from sun to venus is < 3 or > 43 degrees and shani aspecting > such venus and a luminiary in Rasi or Navamsa having a stable and > nice marriage………….. " > > > > Birth details: Female, October 29 1982, 00-30 Hrs (IST); T.Zone- 05.30 east of GMT; 14N19, 74E27. > > > > How ever the girl is not married yet! > > > > I have tried to interpret her marriage and married life applying Krishna's teaching. Please rectify and GUIDE me. > > > > The native's chart strongly favours few affairs before marriage. The Venus is placed along with Saturn. Mars is in fiery sign and receives aspect from both Rahu and Saturn. Even Rahu extends its fifth house aspect on Venus. I am tempted to state that the native starting with Venus bhukti, mid of 1999, might have got involved in obsession and affairs. Afflicted Mars and Venus would not allow any sense of stability though. Venus being very close to Sun, and placed with Jupiter, should not lead for any scandals. Of course, Moon is exalted in Navamsa and sitting in 7th house along with Mars and Jupiter would keep the things in control. The Jupiter expected to curtail the licentious behavior, if any suspected. Never the less emotional involvement and even a lot flirtation cannot be ruled out before and after marriage. > > > > Mars is contributing 7 BAV points in first house and it is very strong planet in chart as its cumulative contribution for all houses as per work sheet amounts to highest, 186. It is a yoga karaka planet. How ever it is placed in 6th house and 6th lord Jup in Libra, 4th house is not good for relation of any permanent nature. Afflicted 7th lord Saturn with above combination stands to indicate a lot of grinds in married life. Added to this, ascendant has got 37 SAV points with 7th house gaining only 25 points. This foretells native would try to dominate spouse. 7th lord in exaltation and in the company of Jupiter, Venus and Sun would able to get a spouse from respectable family and also socially well-placed husband. Much afflicted position of Sun and Venus, Mars and Saturn certainly not good for over all image of the native in society. Saturn's predominant influence over 4th, 7th and 10th house could delay marriage. Not much indication of multiple marriages foreseen. The native might get married in the Rahu Antara of Saturn dasa. Period shall be around when Jupiter moves to Sagittarius and sun enters sign Aries. > > > > If consideration on placement of 7th lord and first lord to be taken for Asc, Moon and Sun, then it shows very conjugal and better compatibility in life after marriage. Whether it would be contradiction! > > > > There are sanyasi or Parivrajya yogas present in the chart! I am drawings this from conventional system. Four powerful planets Jupiter, Venus, Saturn and Sun in 4th house, Rahu exalted in 12th house, Saturn afflicting all most all planets in rasi chart ; in Navamsha, Saturn in ascendant+Venus and Sun in third house and few more combination can effect operation of Yoga. > > > > After being disillusioned with the family life in Rahu Antara of Saturn dasa whether native would prefer to stay alone in life from start of Jupiter Antara? > > > > PROFESSION: > > > > Tenth lords from Asc, Moon and Sun are Mars, Mars and Moon. Dispositor of these planets is Jup and sat in Rasi and Venus in Navamsa. Influence of mars, Venus and Jupiter over the matter of 10th house and there by on profession are predominant. But none of these planets contribute many points for the 10th house in the work sheet. Mercury and Saturn have got good points in the domain of 6th and 10th house. All these should indicate that the native may got service opportunities in the field of communication, engineering, or in an organization dealing with petrol/diesel/gasoline vehicles. Native should maintain decent position. She should enjoy better rewards for her comparatively less efforts, as 11th house points are more than 10 houses. Her 1st and 6th house have got more than 30 points that says she might not be able to establish very good rapport with superiors all the time. Never the less she should make an impression with her own effort. She shall be recognized and well known in her circle. Her second house lord is debilitated but has got 4 own points and mammoth 38 points are in 2nd house. The income should not be a worry. How ever, 10th lord in 6th and 6t lord aspecting the 10th house might give instability and tension in the works. How ever if study of the bhukti taken, it looks the native might not able to secure any permanent jobs until start of Sat-Rahu, tat is around March 2006. During the same period the native might get engaged in communication field or finance. The image of the native is likely to be enhanced. > > > > The start of Mercury dasa should see a lot changes. Native may enter the literature field and shine very well being reputed author. > > > > I prefer to continue discussion on the chart if not objected, in subsequent mails. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rajashri. > > > > Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Dear Rajashri, Puneet, Sateesh and list members, Please feel free to post charts and I hope more people get involved in discussions. In that way finer points of this system will come out including some exceptions to the general rule and special conditions. In that way we all can learn and continue to do research. I think that it also would be a better utilization of Krushnajis time to guide us. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash > > > > I prefer to continue discussion on the chart if not objected, in > subsequent mails. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Rajashri. > > > > > > > > Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Dear Rajashri, You wrote " There are sanyasi or Parivrajya yogas present in the chart! I am drawings this from conventional system. Four powerful planets Jupiter, Venus, Saturn and Sun in 4th house, Rahu exalted in 12th house, Saturn afflicting all most all planets in rasi chart ; in Navamsha, Saturn in ascendant+Venus and Sun in third house and few more combination can effect operation of Yoga. " Ash : An interesting point you bring up and something that I would also throw in to discuss. Parivarajya yog by astrology books is when 4 or more planets are together in a house. We do not have to consider these yogas individually. These are all unknowingly considered by you when you made the worksheet. If you even try to study parivarajya yog in detail I am sure that it would also depend on which 4-5 planets are there and what effect will it manifest. Venus,Guru,Mars and Sun in say a house together is a parivarjaya yog and so is sun, moon, mars and shani but both these groups would manifest differently depending on lots of factors. Now here look at this ladys 3rd house. All planets contribute to their 11th house so since this lady has 4 planets in 4th hosue you will see very high bindus in 2nd house which is 38 bindus. Now all these planets are in 12th house from 5th so these may not be favourable towards 5th house matters or love or relationships as we know the law that Lord of 12th house from house B during that antra one will not get favourable results or if points are gotten then those points are deleted. Here in this case if planets are with > 5 bindus in 12th from B i.e. 5th house then they might not be favourable for 5th house matters so this native may not fall in love easily. With venus to sun distance being so low.. also indicates native is not interested in marriage or marritial stuff... again could indicate signs of parivarajya yog.. Making a long story short I think if we study these points more in details a lot more things will come to surface.... Interesting eh.. Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2003 Report Share Posted April 24, 2003 Dear Rajashri, In continuation to the point on Parivarajya yog, one more thing you can note. When planets are placed in 1 house in this system they become Samdharmi to each other. i.e. if one of those planets is a stron significator and is unable to give results due to not being LOD or LOE and having its dristi on either house A,B or C then its samdharmi will come forward. When a planet beomces samdharmi it has multiple effects. If we study closely the phenemon of shamdharmi we will notice that the planet gives results for itself and its samdharmi. This you can see with transits of planets obviously after first considering antra lord strength. Also when studying samdharmi we are considering Yogakarak planets too i.e. what we call natural samdharmi. Shani and Venus are natural samdharmi and sun and moon are natural samdharmi to mars. One more factor is there when you look at or study parivarajya yog in astrology books i.e. the planets individual strength. Here we check it using Ashtakavarga bindus that they receive and planets can receive only certain points when planets are placed in certain positions so we are indirectly considering the other yogs this we do it unknowingly when we are using Sarvashtakavarga. When we make the worksheet we also consider other factors like mutual coworkers i.e. nothing but what we call 4:10 relationship. So lets take this example of parivarajya yog. If a planet is in 4th place from 4 planets and assuming some planet in 10th (i.e. in the collection of planets that form parivarajya yog) is less than 4 bindus and this planet in 4th is greater than 4 bindu then that will work as a coworker and will further become samdhami to those 4 plants and give its points thereby that planet will also start to work in tandem or have similar dharam or duty making the entire combination more powerful to deliver results during the antra. This we check for timing but we do not have to consider such things individually. Its nice to know that though but most of the thigns are covered in this system. Even nakshatra depositers as we call it in VA is considered here indirectly when we are looking at samdharmi as we know that the planet becomes samdharni to the planet lord where it is placed in Navamsa. Even with samdharni we also have the levels to identify which of the samdharmi planets will come foward and give results so its classified into levels with highest priority given to 4:10 relation , next is planets in same sign and nakshatra and then navamsa depositers etc.. Further we narrrow all these thigns down right down to transits and how it has an effect on the native on day to day basis. These are the points I could think of and Im sure I have missed a few... Cheers !!! Ash , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear Rajashri, > > You wrote > " There are sanyasi or Parivrajya yogas present in the chart! I am > drawings this from conventional system. Four powerful planets > Jupiter, Venus, Saturn and Sun in 4th house, Rahu exalted in 12th > house, Saturn afflicting all most all planets in rasi chart ; in > Navamsha, Saturn in ascendant+Venus and Sun in third house and few > more combination can effect operation of Yoga. " > > > Ash : An interesting point you bring up and something that I would > also throw in to discuss. > > Parivarajya yog by astrology books is when 4 or more planets are > together in a house. > > We do not have to consider these yogas individually. These are all > unknowingly considered by you when you made the worksheet. > > If you even try to study parivarajya yog in detail I am sure that it > would also depend on which 4-5 planets are there and what effect will > it manifest. Venus,Guru,Mars and Sun in say a house together is a > parivarjaya yog and so is sun, moon, mars and shani but both these > groups would manifest differently depending on lots of factors. > > Now here look at this ladys 3rd house. All planets contribute to > their 11th house so since this lady has 4 planets in 4th hosue you > will see very high bindus in 2nd house which is 38 bindus. > > Now all these planets are in 12th house from 5th so these may not be > favourable towards 5th house matters or love or relationships as we > know the law that Lord of 12th house from house B during that antra > one will not get favourable results or if points are gotten then > those points are deleted. > Here in this case if planets are with > 5 bindus in 12th from B i.e. > 5th house then they might not be favourable for 5th house matters so > this native may not fall in love easily. With venus to sun distance > being so low.. also indicates native is not interested in marriage or > marritial stuff... again could indicate signs of parivarajya yog.. > > Making a long story short I think if we study these points more in > details a lot more things will come to surface.... > > Interesting eh.. > > Cheers !!! > Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2003 Report Share Posted April 24, 2003 Hello Ash, For my part, I don't think I am ready to post charts and contribute in an intelligent manner until I get a better understanding of what is being taught. I'm going through the lessons and archives and it is a lot of stuff to cover. When I get questions I would post it. request for further information: I am interested so far in knowing more about the Kalpurusha (spelling?) chart as it seems to be the basis of many of the fundamentals. Also so far I read in a post from Krushnaji that one of the requirements for an event to occur would be that the individual reaches the appropriate age for the event. How is this determined? In light of this, and the post you just made, I am very curious to get more information as I am turning 28 tomorrow and the vrashphala chart would have many exalted planets in it. Any and all comments from you and any other list members would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Puneet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2003 Report Share Posted April 25, 2003 Dear Puneet, First of all a very happy birth day to you. Kalpurush chart is nothing but a chart starting with Aries as the ascendent. From Kalpurush chart which obviously same for every person we get natural karak. for example 2nd house is karak for 7th house being 8th from it. Now 2nd house in Kalpurush chart is Taurus whos lord is Venus so NK becomes Venus. FK you get from your natal chart i.e. the 2nd lord in your chart. We say karak for children or putra karak is Guru. If you observe we get 8th from 5th house is 12th house. In kalpurush chart 12th house is Pisces so its lord is Guru so Guru becomes karak for 5th house matters. In this way you can get natural karaks from kalpurush chart. Moving to your next question, regarding appropriate age for an event. Yes that is very important and its called DESHA, KAAL PATRA. Its given in all texts and basically its also commonsense. For eg... in todays day and age Marriage date is from legal age so that could vary depending upon a counrty and its also upto individual if he or she wants to marry or study further etc etc.. Its very important to see this first. Things as we know vary from country to country. Late marriage in India would be considered as per todays standards at moderate delay in Canada..... for ex. Shani causes delay in marriage if it aspects ABC lords or 7,2,11th house and if checked by Guru then we say marriage delay is moderate. Now the question is what is defined as " moderate " . This definition we can get from Desha, Kaal and Patra or local customs of the country. So Desha as you may know means Country, Kaal means time and Paatra means individual. Basically in a nutshell.... Common Sense lol... Now to answer your third question. From the lessons and discussions so far I know that we have to cast the transit chart with Krushnas ayanamsa the next step is to check the SAV points from your natal chart so for eg Guru is in Cancer and Cancer is your 12th house so take the SAV points from your natal chart for 12th house and add it with other planets. You then get a total. If this total is greater than 197 then the day will go your way... and u will be happy.. lower the points means more difficulty for things to go your way... theres a lesson on it.. so go through that. I do not know about the exalted nature of such planets and how to consider those. I have asked in my last post asked that to Krushnaji and I shall wait patiently for his answer. You have a great day, Cheers !!! Ash , " sunnyjoshi25 " <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > Hello Ash, > > For my part, I don't think I am ready to post charts and contribute > in an intelligent manner until I get a better understanding of what > is being taught. I'm going through the lessons and archives and it is > a lot of stuff to cover. When I get questions I would post it. > > request for further information: > > I am interested so far in knowing more about the Kalpurusha > (spelling?) chart as it seems to be the basis of many of the > fundamentals. Also so far I read in a post from Krushnaji that one of > the requirements for an event to occur would be that the individual > reaches the appropriate age for the event. How is this determined? > > In light of this, and the post you just made, I am very curious to > get more information as I am turning 28 tomorrow and the vrashphala > chart would have many exalted planets in it. Any and all comments > from you and any other list members would be greatly appreciated. > > Sincerely, > > Puneet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 Dear Ash, When such combinations are presents in the chart, Marriage life can not be happy. If it is not break, It do not mean it is happy. There may be some reason. If mars is strong, yog karak, and assisted by jupiter marriage may not end in break. Relations between husband and wife may not be having love with each other. It may be a part of duty. In India it may be due to local customs. In western In may be due to finencial adjustment. The person having such combinations may have extra marrital relations. If moon is in Scorpio perticulary in Jestha, person is emotionally more rigid. If Jupiter is in the fourth place from such Moon, he will not make any unjustice to any body. So he may continue such relations. If Moon is in Leo, In the constellation of Venus, again no break. I think you can answer the reason for this. Again in some other mail you have asked about transit. In transit the planet gives the result of 4th and 8th house from it self ( if it have more points for the place) If there is Zero in any place then Mars and Saturn will give bad result, worries etc. If the planet is 2nd lord, having its transi from 4th house, it will creat shortage of funds, or more debt.( no incoming , 11th house) No planet directly gives the result for the house it is having it's transit. Apply the similar theory. Now if the planet is having it's transit from it's own sign, uccha sign, Multrikon sign, Apply multiplying factor. Then consider it's point. Result will be accordingly. I have given my answer in short. Other members may not get clear idea. Ash, I think you can get clear understanding from this. If required please clarify this for other members. If you find any difficulty. I will help you. Thanks krushna , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear Gurudev Krushnaji, > Pranam, > > I was wondering that have you in your years of research have you come > across any chart with say Guru in libra, venus spoilt i.e. either > distance from sun to venus is < 3 or > 43 degrees and shani aspecting > such venus and a luminiary in Rasi or Navamsa having a stable and > nice marriage ? > > Under what conditions can such a chart still give a happy and stable > marriage even if such conditions exist. > > Are there any over-riding factors that can change such things ? > > Can you share some of your experience. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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