Krishnaji-exception to rule

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Dear Ash,

 

Thanks a lot for your guidance.

 

It is your vast and in-depth knowledge in the AV and Krishna's teaching, your explanations are thread bare and enlighting. Still I would have to go through several times before feeling more comfortable with the theories.

 

Can you please tell me, once again, how we can arrive at single most influence planet in any given natal chart? I am under impression that, considering in cumulating, the points contributed by each planets individually for all 12 houses, we can find it out. In the chart under discussion I found total points of Mars, adding from all 12 houses, is amounting 186, (in the work out sheet) and it is more than any other planet is contributing in cumulating. So can I consider Mars as strong planet in the chart?

 

Further for fine tuning timing of events of any nature, whether should we look at the time when Sun would be transiting in the star of this planet i.e, Mars in this case? But we know that, for this chart as far marriage is considered, the planet Mars is not benefic. Still should we expect that, marriage shall be solemnised during the transit of Sun in the star of Mars?

 

You have written,

 

7) 10th lords of lagna, sun and moon are all i nthe sign of venus in navamsa so she will be inclined towards venusian thigns or career. (I am not getting the same navamsa depositers as you regarding 10th lords from lagna sun and moon ???).

 

I am also getting Venus as the depositor of 10th house lords from, Ascendant, Moon and Sun in the Navamsa chart. Only confusion might have been because, along that I also mentioned planets who deposited these 10th house lords in rasi as well.

 

I have to still get clear how the points would give clue about Pravajya Yoga, when four or more planets gets posited in any one house of natal chart. Can you please explain what is the significance of 38 points of SAV in second house of native, which cause of 4 planets located in 4th house?

 

I have got a chart, where in Ascendant has got SAV 41 points. But only two planets are placed in the 3rd sign. It is still obscure.

 

Thanks a lot for your very kind help and time.

 

Rajashri.

 

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ashsam73

Thursday, April 24, 2003 1:24 PM

Re: Krushnaji - Exception to rule ?

Dear Rajashri,In continuation to the point on Parivarajya yog, one more thing you can note.When planets are placed in 1 house in this system they become Samdharmi to each other. i.e. if one of those planets is a stron significator and is unable to give results due to not being LOD or LOE and having its dristi on either house A,B or C then its samdharmi will come forward.When a planet beomces samdharmi it has multiple effects. If we study closely the phenemon of shamdharmi we will notice that the planet gives results for itself and its samdharmi. This you can see with transits of planets obviously after first considering antra lord strength.Also when studying samdharmi we are considering Yogakarak planets too i.e. what we call natural samdharmi. Shani and Venus are natural samdharmi and sun and moon are natural samdharmi to mars. One more factor is there when you look at or study parivarajya yog in astrology books i.e. the planets individual strength. Here we check it using Ashtakavarga bindus that they receive and planets can receive only certain points when planets are placed in certain positions so we are indirectly considering the other yogs this we do it unknowingly when we are using Sarvashtakavarga.When we make the worksheet we also consider other factors like mutual coworkers i.e. nothing but what we call 4:10 relationship. So lets take this example of parivarajya yog. If a planet is in 4th place from 4 planets and assuming some planet in 10th (i.e. in the collection of planets that form parivarajya yog) is less than 4 bindus and this planet in 4th is greater than 4 bindu then that will work as a coworker and will further become samdhami to those 4 plants and give its points thereby that planet will also start to work in tandem or have similar dharam or duty making the entire combination more powerful to deliver results during the antra. This we check for timing but we do not have to consider such things individually. Its nice to know that though but most of the thigns are covered in this system.Even nakshatra depositers as we call it in VA is considered here indirectly when we are looking at samdharmi as we know that the planet becomes samdharni to the planet lord where it is placed in Navamsa.Even with samdharni we also have the levels to identify which of the samdharmi planets will come foward and give results so its classified into levels with highest priority given to 4:10 relation , next is planets in same sign and nakshatra and then navamsa depositers etc..Further we narrrow all these thigns down right down to transits and how it has an effect on the native on day to day basis.These are the points I could think of and Im sure I have missed a few...Cheers !!!Ash

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Dear Rajashri,

I am giving my answers in CAPS below.

 

, Rajashri Naik

<rajaloli> wrote:

> Dear Ash,

Thanks a lot for your guidance. It is your vast and in-depth

knowledge in the AV and Krishna's teaching, your explanations are

thread bare and enlighting. Still I would have to go through several

times before feeling more comfortable with the theories.

 

Can you please tell me, once again, how we can arrive at single

most influence planet in any given natal chart? I am under

impression that, considering in cumulating, the points contributed

by each planets individually for all 12 houses, we can find it out.

In the chart under discussion I found total points of Mars, adding

from all 12 houses, is amounting 186, (in the work out sheet) and it

is more than any other planet is contributing in cumulating. So

can I consider Mars as strong planet in the chart?

 

ASH : HERE TO CONSIDER STRONGEST PLANET WE SHOULD CHECK WHICH PLANET

GIVES GOOD POINTS I.E. GREATER THAN 12 FOR ALL HOUSES. SO FOR

EXAMPLE HYPOTHETICIALLY SPEAKING IF PLANET A GIVES 13 POINTS FOR ALL

12 HOUSES SO IT HAS ACCUMULATED 156 POINTS AND PLANET B GETS 160

POINTS BUT ITS GIVING SAY 10 POINTS FOR 8 HOUSES AND 20 FOR NEXT 4

HOUSES BUT STILL WE WILL CONSIDER PLANET A STRONGER THAN PLANET B.

 

ALSO THINK OF IT THIS WAY. PLANET WITH HIGH POINTS SHOW BETTER

EFFECTS AS IT WILL BE FELT DURING ITS ANTAR DASA OR ANTAR DASA OF

ITS SAMDHARMI. SO IF PLANET A HAS 13 POITNS FOR ALL HOUSES THEN

GOOD EFFECTS WILL BE FELT FOR " ALL " HOUSES.

 

NOW IN OTHER CASE YES, PLANET B HAS 160 POINTS MORE THAN PLANET A

BUT IT WILL GIVE DIFFICULTY IN 10 HOUSES AND VERY GOOD RESULTS IN 4

HOUSES ONLY.. DURING PLANET B'S ANTRA.

 

SO WHICH PLANETS ANTRA WOULD U LIKE TO BE IN , A OR B ?

 

I THINK THAT SHOULD CLEAR THE CONFUSION. POINTS SHOW HOW RESULT

WILL BE FELT DURING ANTAR DASA OF A PLANET.

 

NOT TO ADD CONFUSION BUT WHAT IF PLANET " A " IS 6TH LORD AND ITS VERY

STRONG FOR ALL HOUSES ? NOW THATS MEANS THAT 6TH LORDS GOT POWER TO

DO MORE DAMAGE IN THE CHART.. SO MORE POINTS WOULD MEAN MORE

DAMAGE... THINK IF IT THIS WAY.. AND SIMILARLY ALSO WITH 12TH LORD

FROM HOUSE B. IF THATS STRONG THEN MORE POWER OR HIGHER POINTS

MEANS IT CAN DO MORE HARM TO HOUSE B....

 

IN A NUTSHELL, WE NEED TO STUDY EACH AND EVERY PLANET AND ITS

FLAVOURS AND ITS SAMDHARMI AND WHICH HOUSE IT LORDS CAREFULLY BEFORE

WE CAN JUDGE THINGS.....

 

 

 

Further for fine tuning timing of events of any nature, whether

should we look at the time when Sun would be transiting in the star

of this planet i.e, Mars in this case? But we know that, for this

chart as far marriage is considered, the planet Mars is not benefic.

 

ASH : I DO NOT HAVE THE CHART IN FRONT OF ME BUT SUN'S TRANSIT

SHOULD BE IN 2ND AND 3RD HIGHEST SIGNIFICATOR IF WE CONSIDER 1ST

HIGHEST SIGNIFICATOR FOR ANTRA. NOW IF MARS IS 6TH LORD THEN WE

SHOULD NOT CONSIDER SUNS TRANSIT IN SUCH A CONSTELLATION OR SIGN...

 

GENERALLY FOR MARRIAGE WE SHOULD AVOID ANY LINKS TO 6TH HOUSE.. BE

IT SO CONSTELLATION, ANTRA ETC.. BUT IF TROUBLES IN MARRAIGE ARE

DESTINED THEN GENERALLY THE EVENT WILL HAPPEN IN LOWEST

SIGNIFICATOR .. AS BY THE BASIC OF THIS SYSTEM .. ANY EVENT THAT

HAPPENS IN WEAKEST SIGNIFICATOR IS TROUBLESOME.... HOW TROUBLE

MANIFESTS IS A DIFFERENT TOPIC ALTOGETHER.. WHICH I THINK WILL BE

COVERED IN TIME TO COME...

 

 

Still should we expect that, marriage shall be solemnised during the

transit of Sun in the star of Mars? You have written, 7) 10th lords

of lagna, sun and moon are all i nthe sign of venus in

> navamsa so she will be inclined towards venusian thigns or

career.

> (I am not getting the same navamsa depositers as you regarding

10th

> lords from lagna sun and moon ???). I am also getting Venus as the

depositor of 10th house lords from, Ascendant, Moon and Sun in the

Navamsa chart. Only confusion might have been because, along that I

also mentioned planets who deposited these 10th house lords in rasi

as well.

 

ASH : OK. STUDY THE LESSON ON OCCUPATION. THAT WILL RESOLVE THAT

ISSUES ON OCCUPATION.... AN EXAMPLE HAS BEEN SOLVED IN THAT LESSON.

 

I have to still get clear how the points would give clue about

Pravajya Yoga, when four or more planets gets posited in any one

house of natal chart.

 

ASH : ITS ALL COVERED INDIRECTLY IN THE WORKSHEET AND IF U STUDY THE

QUALITY OF EACH PLANET AND WITH POINTS YOU CAN GET THEIR EFFECTS IN

ANTRA I THINK U WILL ALREADY HAVE CONVERED ALL THE RAJ YOGS, ETC

AUTOMATICALLY INCLUDING ALL THEIR CONTRAS :=). THAT IS THE POWER OF

THIS SYSTEM AND THE BEAUTY IF IT THAT ALL THSE THNGS ARE COVERED.

 

Can you please explain what is the significance of 38 points of SAV

in second house of native, which cause of 4 planets located in 4th

house?

 

ASH : HIGH POINTS IN 1ST HOUSE MEANS A PERSON IS EGOSITIC, ADAMENT,

STUBBORN ETC... MORE POINTS IN A HOUSE GENERALLY MEANS A STRONG

HOUSE. SO 1ST HOUSE REPRESENTS SELF.. SO A STORNG SELF.. I GUESS

THATS THE SIMPLIST WAY TO EXPLAIN...

 

I have got a chart, where in Ascendant has got SAV 41 points. But

only two planets are placed in the 3rd sign. It is still obscure.

 

ASH : NO NO.. ITS NOT OBSCURE.. JUST OPEN LESSON 1 AND JUST SEE THE

BAV CHARTS.. U WILL NOTICE THAT IN GENERAL ALL PLANETS GIVE POINTS

TO 11TH HOUSE... THEY ALSO GIVE POINTS TO OTHER HOUSES NOT TO SAY

THE LEAST.. BUT IN GENERAL IF U JUST OBSERVE ANY CHART AND IF U FIND

A BUNCH OF PLANETS IN 1 HOUSE THEN GENERALLY THE 11TH HOUSE FROM

THAT HOUSE WILL HAVE HIGH BINDUS.... OBSERVE THAT...

 

IF U ALSO OBSERVE CHARTS WITH WHATS CALLED KALSARPA YOG OR KAL AMRIT

YOG WHERE PLANETS ARE ON ONE SIDE OF THE CHART.. AND IF YOU OBSERVE

THEIR SAV POINTS U WILL SEE THAT ONE SIDE IS MORE HEAVIER THAN THE

OTHER... SO ONE MAY FACE LONGER TROUBLE PERIODS " IN GENERAL " AS

TRANSIT OF MALEFICS WILL CONTIGUIOUSLY TRANSIT OVER WEAKER HOUSES

FOR LONGER TIME... SO THAT COULD BE ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT SUCH YOGS

TOO.. ALSO WITH GRAHA MALIK YOG..

 

NOW IN A CHART IF SOME ONE HAS 41 BINDUS THEN PLANETS ARE ALLIGNED

IN SUCH A WAY THAT ALL ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THAT PARTICULAR HOUSE..

THATS COVERED WITH SAV.

 

 

Thanks a lot for your very kind help and time. Rajashri. -----

 

YOU ARE MOST WELCOME...

 

CHEERS !!!

ASH

 

Original Message ----- ashsam73 To:

Thursday, April 24,

2003 1:24 PM Re: Krushnaji -

Exception to rule ?

> Dear Rajashri,

>

> In continuation to the point on Parivarajya yog, one more thing

you

> can note.

>

> When planets are placed in 1 house in this system they become

> Samdharmi to each other. i.e. if one of those planets is a stron

> significator and is unable to give results due to not being LOD or

> LOE and having its dristi on either house A,B or C then its

samdharmi

> will come forward.

>

> When a planet beomces samdharmi it has multiple effects. If we

study

> closely the phenemon of shamdharmi we will notice that the planet

> gives results for itself and its samdharmi. This you can see with

> transits of planets obviously after first considering antra lord

> strength.

>

> Also when studying samdharmi we are considering Yogakarak planets

too

> i.e. what we call natural samdharmi. Shani and Venus are natural

> samdharmi and sun and moon are natural samdharmi to mars.

>

> One more factor is there when you look at or study parivarajya yog

in

> astrology books i.e. the planets individual strength. Here we

check

> it using Ashtakavarga bindus that they receive and planets can

> receive only certain points when planets are placed in certain

> positions so we are indirectly considering the other yogs this we

do

> it unknowingly when we are using Sarvashtakavarga.

>

> When we make the worksheet we also consider other factors like

mutual

> coworkers i.e. nothing but what we call 4:10 relationship. So

lets

> take this example of parivarajya yog. If a planet is in 4th place

> from 4 planets and assuming some planet in 10th (i.e. in the

> collection of planets that form parivarajya yog) is less than 4

> bindus and this planet in 4th is greater than 4 bindu then that

will

> work as a coworker and will further become samdhami to those 4

plants

> and give its points thereby that planet will also start to work in

> tandem or have similar dharam or duty making the entire

combination

> more powerful to deliver results during the antra. This we check

for

> timing but we do not have to consider such things individually.

Its

> nice to know that though but most of the thigns are covered in

this

> system.

>

> Even nakshatra depositers as we call it in VA is considered here

> indirectly when we are looking at samdharmi as we know that the

> planet becomes samdharni to the planet lord where it is placed in

> Navamsa.

>

> Even with samdharni we also have the levels to identify which of

the

> samdharmi planets will come foward and give results so its

classified

> into levels with highest priority given to 4:10 relation , next is

> planets in same sign and nakshatra and then navamsa depositers

etc..

>

> Further we narrrow all these thigns down right down to transits

and

> how it has an effect on the native on day to day basis.

>

> These are the points I could think of and Im sure I have missed a

> few...

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

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Dear Rajashri,

 

On re-reading my answer to you I figured that I misunderstood one

question. You had asked about the chart having 38 bindus in 2nd

house and I answered considering 38 bindus in 1st house.

 

In anycase the logic is same. 38 bindus in a house means lots of

planets are supporting it. 28 points is average so anything more is

stronger. So for a chart having a strong 2nd house could mean

strong in terms of 2nd house matters.

 

It also fortifies a house during transits of malefic planets over

2nd house will not be able to cause more harm.

 

If a chart still has 38 bindus and if any planet in it still gives a

0 bindu (though highly unlikely) then transit of malefic over 2nd

house will still be hard on the native.. so we need to check SAV

points in further detail by that I mean look at each planet giving

points to 2nd house and make sure that none contribute a zero.

 

The second part about the chart having 41 bindus means that the such

person is very focussed on himself and could be very selfish or self

centered and not a very giving person. Such people could be very

egoistic and stubborn and adament.. like u know you come across

people who say " Its my way or the high way " kinda attitude.

Such people could be more robust and not fall sick easily and

malefic transits over 1st house may not cause medical problems.

 

Just generally all matters of 1st house become more pronounced and

1st is lagna and self so study it in that way.

 

Sorry about the confusion...

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

 

> Can you please explain what is the significance of 38 points of

SAV

> in second house of native, which cause of 4 planets located in 4th

> house?

>

> ASH : HIGH POINTS IN 1ST HOUSE MEANS A PERSON IS EGOSITIC,

ADAMENT,

> STUBBORN ETC... MORE POINTS IN A HOUSE GENERALLY MEANS A STRONG

> HOUSE. SO 1ST HOUSE REPRESENTS SELF.. SO A STORNG SELF.. I GUESS

> THATS THE SIMPLIST WAY TO EXPLAIN...

>

> I have got a chart, where in Ascendant has got SAV 41 points. But

> only two planets are placed in the 3rd sign. It is still obscure.

>

> ASH : NO NO.. ITS NOT OBSCURE.. JUST OPEN LESSON 1 AND JUST SEE

THE

> BAV CHARTS.. U WILL NOTICE THAT IN GENERAL ALL PLANETS GIVE POINTS

> TO 11TH HOUSE... THEY ALSO GIVE POINTS TO OTHER HOUSES NOT TO SAY

> THE LEAST.. BUT IN GENERAL IF U JUST OBSERVE ANY CHART AND IF U

FIND

> A BUNCH OF PLANETS IN 1 HOUSE THEN GENERALLY THE 11TH HOUSE FROM

> THAT HOUSE WILL HAVE HIGH BINDUS.... OBSERVE THAT...

>

> IF U ALSO OBSERVE CHARTS WITH WHATS CALLED KALSARPA YOG OR KAL

AMRIT

> YOG WHERE PLANETS ARE ON ONE SIDE OF THE CHART.. AND IF YOU

OBSERVE

> THEIR SAV POINTS U WILL SEE THAT ONE SIDE IS MORE HEAVIER THAN THE

> OTHER... SO ONE MAY FACE LONGER TROUBLE PERIODS " IN GENERAL " AS

> TRANSIT OF MALEFICS WILL CONTIGUIOUSLY TRANSIT OVER WEAKER HOUSES

> FOR LONGER TIME... SO THAT COULD BE ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT SUCH

YOGS

> TOO.. ALSO WITH GRAHA MALIK YOG..

>

> NOW IN A CHART IF SOME ONE HAS 41 BINDUS THEN PLANETS ARE ALLIGNED

> IN SUCH A WAY THAT ALL ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THAT PARTICULAR HOUSE..

> THATS COVERED WITH SAV.

>

>

> Thanks a lot for your very kind help and time. Rajashri. -----

>

> YOU ARE MOST WELCOME...

>

> CHEERS !!!

> ASH

>

> Original Message ----- ashsam73 To:

> Thursday, April 24,

> 2003 1:24 PM Re: Krushnaji -

> Exception to rule ?

> > Dear Rajashri,

> >

> > In continuation to the point on Parivarajya yog, one more thing

> you

> > can note.

> >

> > When planets are placed in 1 house in this system they become

> > Samdharmi to each other. i.e. if one of those planets is a stron

> > significator and is unable to give results due to not being LOD

or

> > LOE and having its dristi on either house A,B or C then its

> samdharmi

> > will come forward.

> >

> > When a planet beomces samdharmi it has multiple effects. If we

> study

> > closely the phenemon of shamdharmi we will notice that the

planet

> > gives results for itself and its samdharmi. This you can see

with

> > transits of planets obviously after first considering antra lord

> > strength.

> >

> > Also when studying samdharmi we are considering Yogakarak

planets

> too

> > i.e. what we call natural samdharmi. Shani and Venus are

natural

> > samdharmi and sun and moon are natural samdharmi to mars.

> >

> > One more factor is there when you look at or study parivarajya

yog

> in

> > astrology books i.e. the planets individual strength. Here we

> check

> > it using Ashtakavarga bindus that they receive and planets can

> > receive only certain points when planets are placed in certain

> > positions so we are indirectly considering the other yogs this

we

> do

> > it unknowingly when we are using Sarvashtakavarga.

> >

> > When we make the worksheet we also consider other factors like

> mutual

> > coworkers i.e. nothing but what we call 4:10 relationship. So

> lets

> > take this example of parivarajya yog. If a planet is in 4th

place

> > from 4 planets and assuming some planet in 10th (i.e. in the

> > collection of planets that form parivarajya yog) is less than 4

> > bindus and this planet in 4th is greater than 4 bindu then that

> will

> > work as a coworker and will further become samdhami to those 4

> plants

> > and give its points thereby that planet will also start to work

in

> > tandem or have similar dharam or duty making the entire

> combination

> > more powerful to deliver results during the antra. This we

check

> for

> > timing but we do not have to consider such things individually.

> Its

> > nice to know that though but most of the thigns are covered in

> this

> > system.

> >

> > Even nakshatra depositers as we call it in VA is considered here

> > indirectly when we are looking at samdharmi as we know that the

> > planet becomes samdharni to the planet lord where it is placed

in

> > Navamsa.

> >

> > Even with samdharni we also have the levels to identify which of

> the

> > samdharmi planets will come foward and give results so its

> classified

> > into levels with highest priority given to 4:10 relation , next

is

> > planets in same sign and nakshatra and then navamsa depositers

> etc..

> >

> > Further we narrrow all these thigns down right down to transits

> and

> > how it has an effect on the native on day to day basis.

> >

> > These are the points I could think of and Im sure I have missed

a

> > few...

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

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