Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 Hello Rajashri, I don’t know how exactly the Saturn/Mars aspect will be manifested. It surely is not comfortable for the native and implies some kind of frustration and overcompensation but this would require a deeper study of the chart in general. As to her Moon dasa/bukti. Moon is the weakest planet (points) in the worksheet and she has barely enough points to give results for the 1oth and 5th houses, but as she is samdharmi to Mars, she could indeed give results for him. I don’t know when elections take place. According to the chart I casted her Moon/Moon starts on 14 sept 2004. Best regards Margarita -----Original Message----- Rajashri Naik [rajaloli] Tuesday, April 29, 2003 6:26 PM astrology timing events Subject: Marriage and Married life Dear Margarita, Thanks for insight provided. Mars is strongly placed in Rasi. How ever it stands to loose from its Navamsha debilitation position. It is my feeling, there by Moon can gain potentials of this yoga karaka planet being samadharmi. After general elections in India, which is due in this 2004, can she acquire a better cabinet ministry? her Moon dasa starts from second half of 2004. As regards to Mars with retrogression and aspected by Saturn, it is believed, can cause frigidity sort of thing. If houses 3 or 11 are connected. I may wrong also! At present I don't have work sheet and chart! Thanks, Rajashri. Hello Rajashi, I don’t think Mars is bad because he is strong. For this asc Mars is Raja yoga being lord of the 5th and 10th houses. He is in the 9th house which makes a fine yoga. His only weakness is for the 10th house perhaps because he is in the 12th from B. But he has only 1 point so he will give strength to the houses he aspects. A strong 6th house usually stand for reputation and she seems to be will known for her activities. I don’t know how this is related to her love for animals because all people with strong 6th houses are surely not animal lovers. As to Venus and her distance from the Sun; I think this has to be taken with a “grain of salt”. I’ve seen many charts of ladies with such a Venus and they are most respectable but usually very independent and not married. In a traditional culture like India, this is perhaps not appreciated but here it’s OK. By the way, I’ve also seen many girls with a Mars R who prefer to stay single ! but I don’t have enough experience to make any judgement on that. Best regards Margarita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2003 Report Share Posted April 29, 2003 Hello Ash, Yes that’s a good question to ask. I also wondered how an aspect of Saturn in the male chart on Mars in a female chart could help in a relationship. Perhaps this has something to do with Indian culture were the wife is supposed to play a more secondary role. A lady with a strong Mars like last chart we did doesn’t fit too well in Indian traditional cultural context. So if the husband’s Saturn aspects such a Mars, it would temper it. But this is just a guess. I’m curious to hear what Krushna has to say Best regards Margarita -----Original Message----- ashsam73 [ashsam73] Wednesday, April 30, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Marriage and Married life Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Rajashri , This mail is addressed to Margarita so pardon my intervention. I wanted to point out something and ask a question to Krushnaji of some explanation. You wrote " > > Mars is strongly placed in Rasi. How ever it stands to loose from its Navamsha debilitation position. It is my feeling, there by Moon can gain potentials of this yoga karaka planet being samadharmi. " In this system debilitation planets cast benefic aspects. For quality of results we check rasi exlatiation and debilitation. Mars in Cancer is better if its with low points. Yes it will be bad for house its placed in but it will definitely cast better aspects to house its aspecting i.e. 3 other houses. Also we consider this when reading chart regarding aspects of planets that are debilitated in sign. Similarly too many exalted planets or in a chart when more planets are in own, multrikon or exalted houses then their aspects based on same theory is even more malefic if it has high points.. so overall chart becomes weak. We had done some charts based on this principle. Also Mars and Moon and Sun are natural samdharmi being yogakara so I do not know if Mars will loose by being placed in cancer... or I have not understood what would Mars loose ? Can you explain what you meant ? Regarding 2nd point about Shani to Mars aspect, in some email in the past I remember Krushnaji saying that such combination will break a relationship or was it in lesson on love marriage I cant remember off the bat .. but I do succently remember that such combinations break relationships. On the same token Shani cancels Mars's dosha I also do not understand the theory of that (I think we also use that in checking chemistry between couple when we check aspect of Shani on Mars ? Maybe Krushnaji can tell us a little bit on that or give some hint in that direction ? Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Rajashri Naik " <rajaloli@h...> wrote: > Dear Margarita, > > Thanks for insight provided. > > Mars is strongly placed in Rasi. How ever it stands to loose from its Navamsha debilitation position. It is my feeling, there by Moon can gain potentials of this yoga karaka planet being samadharmi. > > After general elections in India, which is due in this 2004, can she acquire a better cabinet ministry? her Moon dasa starts from second half of 2004. > > As regards to Mars with retrogression and aspected by Saturn, it is believed, can cause frigidity sort of thing. If houses 3 or 11 are connected. I may wrong also! > > At present I don't have work sheet and chart! > > Thanks, > > Rajashri. > > > > > > Hello Rajashi, > > I don't think Mars is bad because he is strong. For this asc Mars is Raja yoga being lord of the 5th and 10th houses. He is in the 9th house which makes a fine yoga. His only weakness is for the 10th house perhaps because he is in the 12th from B. But he has only 1 point so he will give strength to the houses he aspects. A strong 6th house usually stand for reputation and she seems to be will known for her activities. I don't know how this is related to her love for animals because all people with strong 6th houses are surely not animal lovers. > > As to Venus and her distance from the Sun; I think this has to be taken with a " grain of salt " . I've seen many charts of ladies with such a Venus and they are most respectable but usually very independent and not married. In a traditional culture like India, this is perhaps not appreciated but here it's OK. By the way, I've also seen many girls with a Mars R who prefer to stay single ! but I don't have enough experience to make any judgement on that. > > Best regards > > Margarita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2003 Report Share Posted April 29, 2003 Dear Margarita, Thanks for insight provided. Mars is strongly placed in Rasi. How ever it stands to loose from its Navamsha debilitation position. It is my feeling, there by Moon can gain potentials of this yoga karaka planet being samadharmi. After general elections in India, which is due in this 2004, can she acquire a better cabinet ministry? her Moon dasa starts from second half of 2004. As regards to Mars with retrogression and aspected by Saturn, it is believed, can cause frigidity sort of thing. If houses 3 or 11 are connected. I may wrong also! At present I don't have work sheet and chart! Thanks, Rajashri. Hello Rajashi, I don’t think Mars is bad because he is strong. For this asc Mars is Raja yoga being lord of the 5th and 10th houses. He is in the 9th house which makes a fine yoga. His only weakness is for the 10th house perhaps because he is in the 12th from B. But he has only 1 point so he will give strength to the houses he aspects. A strong 6th house usually stand for reputation and she seems to be will known for her activities. I don’t know how this is related to her love for animals because all people with strong 6th houses are surely not animal lovers. As to Venus and her distance from the Sun; I think this has to be taken with a “grain of salt”. I’ve seen many charts of ladies with such a Venus and they are most respectable but usually very independent and not married. In a traditional culture like India, this is perhaps not appreciated but here it’s OK. By the way, I’ve also seen many girls with a Mars R who prefer to stay single ! but I don’t have enough experience to make any judgement on that. Best regards Margarita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2003 Report Share Posted April 30, 2003 Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Rajashri , This mail is addressed to Margarita so pardon my intervention. I wanted to point out something and ask a question to Krushnaji of some explanation. You wrote " > > Mars is strongly placed in Rasi. How ever it stands to loose from its Navamsha debilitation position. It is my feeling, there by Moon can gain potentials of this yoga karaka planet being samadharmi. " In this system debilitation planets cast benefic aspects. For quality of results we check rasi exlatiation and debilitation. Mars in Cancer is better if its with low points. Yes it will be bad for house its placed in but it will definitely cast better aspects to house its aspecting i.e. 3 other houses. Also we consider this when reading chart regarding aspects of planets that are debilitated in sign. Similarly too many exalted planets or in a chart when more planets are in own, multrikon or exalted houses then their aspects based on same theory is even more malefic if it has high points.. so overall chart becomes weak. We had done some charts based on this principle. Also Mars and Moon and Sun are natural samdharmi being yogakara so I do not know if Mars will loose by being placed in cancer... or I have not understood what would Mars loose ? Can you explain what you meant ? Regarding 2nd point about Shani to Mars aspect, in some email in the past I remember Krushnaji saying that such combination will break a relationship or was it in lesson on love marriage I cant remember off the bat .. but I do succently remember that such combinations break relationships. On the same token Shani cancels Mars's dosha I also do not understand the theory of that (I think we also use that in checking chemistry between couple when we check aspect of Shani on Mars ? Maybe Krushnaji can tell us a little bit on that or give some hint in that direction ? Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Rajashri Naik " <rajaloli@h...> wrote: > Dear Margarita, > > Thanks for insight provided. > > Mars is strongly placed in Rasi. How ever it stands to loose from its Navamsha debilitation position. It is my feeling, there by Moon can gain potentials of this yoga karaka planet being samadharmi. > > After general elections in India, which is due in this 2004, can she acquire a better cabinet ministry? her Moon dasa starts from second half of 2004. > > As regards to Mars with retrogression and aspected by Saturn, it is believed, can cause frigidity sort of thing. If houses 3 or 11 are connected. I may wrong also! > > At present I don't have work sheet and chart! > > Thanks, > > Rajashri. > > > > > > Hello Rajashi, > > I don't think Mars is bad because he is strong. For this asc Mars is Raja yoga being lord of the 5th and 10th houses. He is in the 9th house which makes a fine yoga. His only weakness is for the 10th house perhaps because he is in the 12th from B. But he has only 1 point so he will give strength to the houses he aspects. A strong 6th house usually stand for reputation and she seems to be will known for her activities. I don't know how this is related to her love for animals because all people with strong 6th houses are surely not animal lovers. > > As to Venus and her distance from the Sun; I think this has to be taken with a " grain of salt " . I've seen many charts of ladies with such a Venus and they are most respectable but usually very independent and not married. In a traditional culture like India, this is perhaps not appreciated but here it's OK. By the way, I've also seen many girls with a Mars R who prefer to stay single ! but I don't have enough experience to make any judgement on that. > > Best regards > > Margarita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2003 Report Share Posted April 30, 2003 Dear Margarita, The reason that Saturn cancels Mars dosha is that he is the Ucchanath for Mars. Chandrashekhar. - dmlettens Tuesday, April 29, 2003 8:03 PM RE: Re: Marriage and Married life Hello Ash, Yes that’s a good question to ask. I also wondered how an aspect of Saturn in the male chart on Mars in a female chart could help in a relationship. Perhaps this has something to do with Indian culture were the wife is supposed to play a more secondary role. A lady with a strong Mars like last chart we did doesn’t fit too well in Indian traditional cultural context. So if the husband’s Saturn aspects such a Mars, it would temper it. But this is just a guess. I’m curious to hear what Krushna has to say Best regards Margarita ashsam73 [ashsam73]Wednesday, April 30, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Marriage and Married life Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Rajashri ,This mail is addressed to Margarita so pardon my intervention. I wanted to point out something and ask a question to Krushnaji of some explanation.You wrote "> > Mars is strongly placed in Rasi. How ever it stands to loose from its Navamsha debilitation position. It is my feeling, there by Moon can gain potentials of this yoga karaka planet being samadharmi."In this system debilitation planets cast benefic aspects. For quality of results we check rasi exlatiation and debilitation. Mars in Cancer is better if its with low points. Yes it will be bad for house its placed in but it will definitely cast better aspects to house its aspecting i.e. 3 other houses.Also we consider this when reading chart regarding aspects of planets that are debilitated in sign.Similarly too many exalted planets or in a chart when more planets are in own, multrikon or exalted houses then their aspects based on same theory is even more malefic if it has high points.. so overall chart becomes weak. We had done some charts based on this principle.Also Mars and Moon and Sun are natural samdharmi being yogakara so I do not know if Mars will loose by being placed in cancer... or I have not understood what would Mars loose ? Can you explain what you meant ?Regarding 2nd point about Shani to Mars aspect, in some email in the past I remember Krushnaji saying that such combination will break a relationship or was it in lesson on love marriage I cant remember off the bat .. but I do succently remember that such combinations break relationships.On the same token Shani cancels Mars's dosha I also do not understand the theory of that (I think we also use that in checking chemistry between couple when we check aspect of Shani on Mars ? Maybe Krushnaji can tell us a little bit on that or give some hint in that direction ? Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash , "Rajashri Naik" <rajaloli@h...> wrote:> Dear Margarita,> > Thanks for insight provided.> > Mars is strongly placed in Rasi. How ever it stands to loose from its Navamsha debilitation position. It is my feeling, there by Moon can gain potentials of this yoga karaka planet being samadharmi.> > After general elections in India, which is due in this 2004, can she acquire a better cabinet ministry? her Moon dasa starts from second half of 2004.> > As regards to Mars with retrogression and aspected by Saturn, it is believed, can cause frigidity sort of thing. If houses 3 or 11 are connected. I may wrong also!> > At present I don't have work sheet and chart!> > Thanks,> > Rajashri.> > > > > > Hello Rajashi,> > I don't think Mars is bad because he is strong. For this asc Mars is Raja yoga being lord of the 5th and 10th houses. He is in the 9th house which makes a fine yoga. His only weakness is for the 10th house perhaps because he is in the 12th from B. But he has only 1 point so he will give strength to the houses he aspects. A strong 6th house usually stand for reputation and she seems to be will known for her activities. I don't know how this is related to her love for animals because all people with strong 6th houses are surely not animal lovers.> > As to Venus and her distance from the Sun; I think this has to be taken with a "grain of salt". I've seen many charts of ladies with such a Venus and they are most respectable but usually very independent and not married. In a traditional culture like India, this is perhaps not appreciated but here it's OK. By the way, I've also seen many girls with a Mars R who prefer to stay single ! but I don't have enough experience to make any judgement on that.> > Best regards> > Margarita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2003 Report Share Posted May 1, 2003 Dear Chandrashekhar, Interesting. But what does this mean. I want to understand the Ashtakavarga system reasoning behind this. Let me explain. Once Krushnaji had asked us a question and reasoning behind why are Malefics better of in Dushtana or Upachaya. The reason using this system was very clear. When natural malefics are in dushtana or upachaya they aspect either of House A,B or C for death so they themselves cannot give death or retract from doing so. I think in texts malefics and benefics are given w.r.t. lagna. Similarly in this system we are using aspect of Shani on Mars and also in this system we say a planet is exalted when the planet has more than 4 points. Sign exaltation we get by using the multiplication factor worksheet to show how the result will be felt.. but that those points are not considered for timing. Its only for how results will be felt. I am interested to know the Ashtakavarga system reason behind this part and what does it mean in general and why do we see this condition ? Similarly what does Rahu's aspect on Venus or Mars show ? I understand Venus and Mars's aspect or when we overlap chart we check Male Venus to Female Mars. This is for compatibility as venus is the barometer of male sexuality and mars is barometer for female. So we check this condition. I beleive these conditions i.e. checking the aspect of shani, venus, rahu and mars has overriding effects on all doshas of a chart. Such charts with very good compatibility can override say marriage performed in 6th house or in low significator as the attraction felt is a lot.. and that may cause the couple to be together.... Will also wait for Krushnaji to comment on the same it will be intersting... Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Chandrashekhar " <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Margarita, > The reason that Saturn cancels Mars dosha is that he is the Ucchanath for Mars. > Chandrashekhar. > - > dmlettens > > Tuesday, April 29, 2003 8:03 PM > RE: Re: Marriage and Married life > > > Hello Ash, > > Yes that's a good question to ask. I also wondered how an aspect of Saturn in the male chart on Mars in a female chart could help in a relationship. Perhaps this has something to do with Indian culture were the wife is supposed to play a more secondary role. A lady with a strong Mars like last chart we did doesn't fit too well in Indian traditional cultural context. So if the husband's Saturn aspects such a Mars, it would temper it. But this is just a guess. I'm curious to hear what Krushna has to say > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > Wednesday, April 30, 2003 11:35 AM > > Re: Marriage and Married life > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Rajashri , > > This mail is addressed to Margarita so pardon my intervention. I > wanted to point out something and ask a question to Krushnaji of > some explanation. > > You wrote " > > > Mars is strongly placed in Rasi. How ever it stands to loose from > its Navamsha debilitation position. It is my feeling, there by Moon > can gain potentials of this yoga karaka planet being samadharmi. > " > > In this system debilitation planets cast benefic aspects. For > quality of results we check rasi exlatiation and debilitation. > > Mars in Cancer is better if its with low points. Yes it will be bad > for house its placed in but it will definitely cast better aspects > to house its aspecting i.e. 3 other houses. > > Also we consider this when reading chart regarding aspects of > planets that are debilitated in sign. > > Similarly too many exalted planets or in a chart when more planets > are in own, multrikon or exalted houses then their aspects based on > same theory is even more malefic if it has high points.. so overall > chart becomes weak. We had done some charts based on this principle. > > Also Mars and Moon and Sun are natural samdharmi being yogakara so I > do not know if Mars will loose by being placed in cancer... or I > have not understood what would Mars loose ? Can you explain what > you meant ? > > Regarding 2nd point about Shani to Mars aspect, in some email in the > past I remember Krushnaji saying that such combination will break a > relationship or was it in lesson on love marriage I cant remember > off the bat .. but I do succently remember that such combinations > break relationships. > > On the same token Shani cancels Mars's dosha I also do not > understand the theory of that (I think we also use that in checking > chemistry between couple when we check aspect of Shani on Mars ? > Maybe Krushnaji can tell us a little bit on that or give some hint > in that direction ? > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Rajashri Naik " > <rajaloli@h...> wrote: > > Dear Margarita, > > > > Thanks for insight provided. > > > > Mars is strongly placed in Rasi. How ever it stands to loose from > its Navamsha debilitation position. It is my feeling, there by Moon > can gain potentials of this yoga karaka planet being samadharmi. > > > > After general elections in India, which is due in this 2004, can > she acquire a better cabinet ministry? her Moon dasa starts from > second half of 2004. > > > > As regards to Mars with retrogression and aspected by Saturn, it > is believed, can cause frigidity sort of thing. If houses 3 or 11 > are connected. I may wrong also! > > > > At present I don't have work sheet and chart! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rajashri. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rajashi, > > > > I don't think Mars is bad because he is strong. For this asc Mars > is Raja yoga being lord of the 5th and 10th houses. He is in the 9th > house which makes a fine yoga. His only weakness is for the 10th > house perhaps because he is in the 12th from B. But he has only 1 > point so he will give strength to the houses he aspects. A strong > 6th house usually stand for reputation and she seems to be will > known for her activities. I don't know how this is related to her > love for animals because all people with strong 6th houses are > surely not animal lovers. > > > > As to Venus and her distance from the Sun; I think this has to be > taken with a " grain of salt " . I've seen many charts of ladies with > such a Venus and they are most respectable but usually very > independent and not married. In a traditional culture like India, > this is perhaps not appreciated but here it's OK. By the way, I've > also seen many girls with a Mars R who prefer to stay single ! but I > don't have enough experience to make any judgement on that. > > > > Best regards > > > > Margarita > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2003 Report Share Posted May 1, 2003 Dear Margarita, The reason for me saying that is the fact that if 2 people have very high points in the lagna then both the people have uncompromising nature or strong personality or are egoistic or adamenet. In that case if no one gives in and both hold their end then there can be a divorse or a break up. So that is why I said that if one has high points and the other has low then by their " default " nature one would be more giving than the other so lesser chances of arguments or break up. I also think we need to check navamasa, drekkhana and trimsamsa for judging the nature too. If more planets are in sign of Guru then person is more benovelent and god fearing so may not break things up but that does not mean that he or she cannot have a strong personality on the other hand if lagna, sun or moon are in sign of mercury then chances to break are more. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash > Ash, I have some problem about the points in the > 1st house. You state that if one partner has more > points it's better for the other to have less. I > think we then land up in situations were the > " strong " one takes up most space, finally > squashing the other. If both partners have high > points in the 1st, there is a kind of balance of > give and take and both get enough space to > breathe. Well, that's how I feel about it anyway. > Best regards > Margarita > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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