Guest guest Posted May 4, 2003 Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 Dear Krushnaji and list members: I am currently observing two phenomenon and I am hoping to get more guidance in this area. (X= Saturn, Y= Jupiter, both are also samdharmi) Birth data: 4/25/1975, 3:20 pm (5:00W), 43n41, 79w20. Regarding the blocking effect of the subordinate in the 4-10 relationship, i.e. when the planet X in the fourth from Y, where Y has less points than X, X creates some trouble and causes some trouble due to the mildness of Y. But Y is getting strength from X, and is having the phenomenon of being a powerful planet for the results of almost all the houses by having less than 4 points, and also getting benefic sight from X. In worksheet Y has more than 12 points for all houses. Currently sub of X is running. It is 6th* and 7th lord. I can relate to the group some of what I have been experiencing so far in this sub. I am living in a foreign country for job. I changed companies soon after the start of 1st job (Oct 8, 2002), began new job from Jan 20, 2003. Became Manager of dept Feb 14, 2003. I have been an easygoing supervisor and my staff likes me but I do not have control of them. They come and go as they please, and do not obey fully they have no fear of me. I do not have the ability to be strict on them. I received admission for higher education in my homeland which I will pursue from Sept 2003. From this month (May) I am decreasing my responsibility and stepping down from my supervisor position. The transfer of power should occur some time later this month I do not have the date of this. (Any predictions on the date by members??) I will leave the company around August 15 close to when I return home. The transit of Sun through nakshatras of X and Y becomes important. What will the transit of Sun in Punarvasu-Pushya involve? For the chart, 2 planets Moon and Jupiter have most points for all the houses. So I'm looking at the Suns transit through those nakshatras for events. Please comment and give further guidance for what I have written. Hopefully you and other members could comment on these phenomenon further. It is similar to the phenomenon illustrated for the chart of Ron Guant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 Dear Puneet, Good question this one. I would like to attempt this as I also would like to have a more clear understanding on this concept of 4:10. I too had a few questions. I will think more about this and we can take your chart and work. From what my understanding is, is the fact that that if the boss (planet in 10th ) has more points than planet in 4th from it then planet in 4th from it will " oppose " the karaktwa of planet in 10th DURING ITS SUB PERIOD. Now if such a planet is LOD or LOE for such an event then it will be temporary. I shall relpy in more detail when I get some free time. In the mean time I hope others members will step in and get this discussion going as 4:10 relationship is very important and if memory serves me correctly can change the entire picture of chart. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " sunnyjoshi25 " <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > Dear Krushnaji and list members: > > I am currently observing two phenomenon and I am hoping to get more > guidance in this area. (X= Saturn, Y= Jupiter, both are also > samdharmi) Birth data: 4/25/1975, 3:20 pm (5:00W), 43n41, 79w20. > > Regarding the blocking effect of the subordinate in the 4-10 > relationship, i.e. when the planet X in the fourth from Y, where Y > has less points than X, X creates some trouble and causes some > trouble due to the mildness of Y. > > But Y is getting strength from X, and is having the phenomenon of > being a powerful planet for the results of almost all the houses by > having less than 4 points, and also getting benefic sight from X. In > worksheet Y has more than 12 points for all houses. > > Currently sub of X is running. It is 6th* and 7th lord. I can relate > to the group some of what I have been experiencing so far in this > sub. I am living in a foreign country for job. I changed companies > soon after the start of 1st job (Oct 8, 2002), began new job from Jan > 20, 2003. Became Manager of dept Feb 14, 2003. I have been an > easygoing supervisor and my staff likes me but I do not have control > of them. They come and go as they please, and do not obey fully they > have no fear of me. I do not have the ability to be strict on them. > > I received admission for higher education in my homeland which I will > pursue from Sept 2003. From this month (May) I am decreasing my > responsibility and stepping down from my supervisor position. The > transfer of power should occur some time later this month I do not > have the date of this. (Any predictions on the date by members??) I > will leave the company around August 15 close to when I return home. > > The transit of Sun through nakshatras of X and Y becomes important. > What will the transit of Sun in Punarvasu-Pushya involve? For the > chart, 2 planets Moon and Jupiter have most points for all the > houses. So I'm looking at the Suns transit through those > nakshatras > for events. Please comment and give further guidance for what I have > written. > > Hopefully you and other members could comment on these phenomenon > further. It is similar to the phenomenon illustrated for the chart of > Ron Guant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 Yes Ash, That's how I've also taken it. The Boss would be mild mannered and the planet in the fourth would make it harder for the Boss (planet in 10th) to complete the required work. Here possibly I could see prescription (remedial measures) to strenghten the boss planet, since he would have to do more work. But my underlying question, and I hope Krushnaji would respsond is will most events due to the phenomenon seen in the worksheet be occuring in transit of sun in the nakshatras of Moon, Jupiter and Saturn for all the subs? Puneet , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear Puneet, > Good question this one. I would like to attempt this as I also > would like to have a more clear understanding on this concept of > 4:10. I too had a few questions. I will think more about this and > we can take your chart and work. > > From what my understanding is, is the fact that that if the boss > (planet in 10th ) has more points than planet in 4th from it then > planet in 4th from it will " oppose " the karaktwa of planet in 10th > DURING ITS SUB PERIOD. Now if such a planet is LOD or LOE for such > an event then it will be temporary. > > I shall relpy in more detail when I get some free time. > In the mean time I hope others members will step in and get this > discussion going as 4:10 relationship is very important and if > memory serves me correctly can change the entire picture of chart. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " sunnyjoshi25 " > <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > > Dear Krushnaji and list members: > > > > I am currently observing two phenomenon and I am hoping to get > more > > guidance in this area. (X= Saturn, Y= Jupiter, both are also > > samdharmi) Birth data: 4/25/1975, 3:20 pm (5:00W), 43n41, 79w20. > > > > Regarding the blocking effect of the subordinate in the 4-10 > > relationship, i.e. when the planet X in the fourth from Y, where Y > > has less points than X, X creates some trouble and causes some > > trouble due to the mildness of Y. > > > > But Y is getting strength from X, and is having the phenomenon of > > being a powerful planet for the results of almost all the houses > by > > having less than 4 points, and also getting benefic sight from X. > In > > worksheet Y has more than 12 points for all houses. > > > > Currently sub of X is running. It is 6th* and 7th lord. I can > relate > > to the group some of what I have been experiencing so far in this > > sub. I am living in a foreign country for job. I changed companies > > soon after the start of 1st job (Oct 8, 2002), began new job from > Jan > > 20, 2003. Became Manager of dept Feb 14, 2003. I have been an > > easygoing supervisor and my staff likes me but I do not have > control > > of them. They come and go as they please, and do not obey fully > they > > have no fear of me. I do not have the ability to be strict on > them. > > > > I received admission for higher education in my homeland which I > will > > pursue from Sept 2003. From this month (May) I am decreasing my > > responsibility and stepping down from my supervisor position. The > > transfer of power should occur some time later this month I do not > > have the date of this. (Any predictions on the date by members??) > I > > will leave the company around August 15 close to when I return > home. > > > > The transit of Sun through nakshatras of X and Y becomes > important. > > What will the transit of Sun in Punarvasu-Pushya involve? For the > > chart, 2 planets Moon and Jupiter have most points for all the > > houses. So I'm looking at the Suns transit through those > > nakshatras > > for events. Please comment and give further guidance for what I > have > > written. > > > > Hopefully you and other members could comment on these phenomenon > > further. It is similar to the phenomenon illustrated for the chart > of > > Ron Guant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 Dear Puneet, Sorry I am answering this question in a rush, but I wanted to point out something here quickly. Remedy is your own effort. Krushnaji has always advised that 50% is the power of planets and 50% is in our hands. We have to make use of the planets. Regarding events occuring look at it this way as an analogy. When does an event kick off... that happens when Sun transits powerful significator. Even in standard texts its given that Sun initiates a yog. In this system we are using this to time events. Say a person is going to get married, and now when will the marriage occur, it should occur when Sun transits powerful significators for marriage i.e. 7th house then event will start. So just consider Sun for initiation of event. If in your chart Guru and Shani are strong for all houses then generally most events in your life will get initiated when Sun transits sign of Guru and nak of shani or sign of shani and nak of guru if the exist. Sorry if I have missed a few points due to lack of time. Cheers !!! Ash , " sunnyjoshi25 " <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > Yes Ash, > > That's how I've also taken it. The Boss would be mild mannered and > the planet in the fourth would make it harder for the Boss (planet in > 10th) to complete the required work. Here possibly I could see > prescription (remedial measures) to strenghten the boss planet, since > he would have to do more work. > > But my underlying question, and I hope Krushnaji would respsond is > will most events due to the phenomenon seen in the worksheet be > occuring in transit of sun in the nakshatras of Moon, Jupiter and > Saturn for all the subs? > > Puneet > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > Dear Puneet, > > Good question this one. I would like to attempt this as I also > > would like to have a more clear understanding on this concept of > > 4:10. I too had a few questions. I will think more about this and > > we can take your chart and work. > > > > From what my understanding is, is the fact that that if the boss > > (planet in 10th ) has more points than planet in 4th from it then > > planet in 4th from it will " oppose " the karaktwa of planet in 10th > > DURING ITS SUB PERIOD. Now if such a planet is LOD or LOE for such > > an event then it will be temporary. > > > > I shall relpy in more detail when I get some free time. > > In the mean time I hope others members will step in and get this > > discussion going as 4:10 relationship is very important and if > > memory serves me correctly can change the entire picture of chart. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " sunnyjoshi25 " > > <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji and list members: > > > > > > I am currently observing two phenomenon and I am hoping to get > > more > > > guidance in this area. (X= Saturn, Y= Jupiter, both are also > > > samdharmi) Birth data: 4/25/1975, 3:20 pm (5:00W), 43n41, 79w20. > > > > > > Regarding the blocking effect of the subordinate in the 4-10 > > > relationship, i.e. when the planet X in the fourth from Y, where > Y > > > has less points than X, X creates some trouble and causes some > > > trouble due to the mildness of Y. > > > > > > But Y is getting strength from X, and is having the phenomenon of > > > being a powerful planet for the results of almost all the houses > > by > > > having less than 4 points, and also getting benefic sight from X. > > In > > > worksheet Y has more than 12 points for all houses. > > > > > > Currently sub of X is running. It is 6th* and 7th lord. I can > > relate > > > to the group some of what I have been experiencing so far in this > > > sub. I am living in a foreign country for job. I changed > companies > > > soon after the start of 1st job (Oct 8, 2002), began new job from > > Jan > > > 20, 2003. Became Manager of dept Feb 14, 2003. I have been an > > > easygoing supervisor and my staff likes me but I do not have > > control > > > of them. They come and go as they please, and do not obey fully > > they > > > have no fear of me. I do not have the ability to be strict on > > them. > > > > > > I received admission for higher education in my homeland which I > > will > > > pursue from Sept 2003. From this month (May) I am decreasing my > > > responsibility and stepping down from my supervisor position. The > > > transfer of power should occur some time later this month I do > not > > > have the date of this. (Any predictions on the date by members??) > > I > > > will leave the company around August 15 close to when I return > > home. > > > > > > The transit of Sun through nakshatras of X and Y becomes > > important. > > > What will the transit of Sun in Punarvasu-Pushya involve? For the > > > chart, 2 planets Moon and Jupiter have most points for all the > > > houses. So I'm looking at the Suns transit through those > > > nakshatras > > > for events. Please comment and give further guidance for what I > > have > > > written. > > > > > > Hopefully you and other members could comment on these phenomenon > > > further. It is similar to the phenomenon illustrated for the > chart > > of > > > Ron Guant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 Deaer Puneet, I just went though your chart, Jupiter does not become strong due to Saturn. Here Guru has 3 bindus and Shani has 2 bindus. Guru is in 10th from Shani. I was not clear on this part if Guru and Shani are samdharmi. Just by the virtue of being in 4:10 without considering points can they become samdharmi ? or Does the planet in 10th MUST be less than planet in 4th from it. i.e. planet in 10th must be < 4 bindus and planet in 4th must be > 4 bindus. Here Guru has FK for 10th and 1st and FK for 5th and 2nd. Shani has FK for 11th and 12th and NK for 3rd and 4th. Gurus antra happened in 1985/02 thru 87/02 i.e. Guru/Guru and now its Shani/Shani. From my understanding of Rons chart he I beleive had got a job in antra of 10th house planet and it was reverted with antra of planet in 4th from it came about as planet in 4th from it was having less points than planet in 10th. Since in your case the Mahadasha changes from Guru/Guru to Shani/Shani and the next Shani/Guru is in 2017 thru 2020 I do not know what thigns it would oppose... I dont know if you see my point.. In any case I also would be interested to hear Krushnaji, Margarita and other list members view point. Good question this one..... Cheers !!! Ash , " sunnyjoshi25 " <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > Dear Krushnaji and list members: > > I am currently observing two phenomenon and I am hoping to get more > guidance in this area. (X= Saturn, Y= Jupiter, both are also > samdharmi) Birth data: 4/25/1975, 3:20 pm (5:00W), 43n41, 79w20. > > Regarding the blocking effect of the subordinate in the 4-10 > relationship, i.e. when the planet X in the fourth from Y, where Y > has less points than X, X creates some trouble and causes some > trouble due to the mildness of Y. > > But Y is getting strength from X, and is having the phenomenon of > being a powerful planet for the results of almost all the houses by > having less than 4 points, and also getting benefic sight from X. In > worksheet Y has more than 12 points for all houses. > > Currently sub of X is running. It is 6th* and 7th lord. I can relate > to the group some of what I have been experiencing so far in this > sub. I am living in a foreign country for job. I changed companies > soon after the start of 1st job (Oct 8, 2002), began new job from Jan > 20, 2003. Became Manager of dept Feb 14, 2003. I have been an > easygoing supervisor and my staff likes me but I do not have control > of them. They come and go as they please, and do not obey fully they > have no fear of me. I do not have the ability to be strict on them. > > I received admission for higher education in my homeland which I will > pursue from Sept 2003. From this month (May) I am decreasing my > responsibility and stepping down from my supervisor position. The > transfer of power should occur some time later this month I do not > have the date of this. (Any predictions on the date by members??) I > will leave the company around August 15 close to when I return home. > > The transit of Sun through nakshatras of X and Y becomes important. > What will the transit of Sun in Punarvasu-Pushya involve? For the > chart, 2 planets Moon and Jupiter have most points for all the > houses. So I'm looking at the Suns transit through those > nakshatras > for events. Please comment and give further guidance for what I have > written. > > Hopefully you and other members could comment on these phenomenon > further. It is similar to the phenomenon illustrated for the chart of > Ron Guant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 Dear Ash, Sorry: regarding the statement that jupiter and saturn are samdharmi - it is a wrong statement. It is probably my oversight and newness to these concepts. I have the day off and I'm going to study more about samdharmi. My statement was probably more towards the fact that the two planets: jupiter, saturn were further related by being in each others nakshatras. There proably is another term for this type of exchange. However, assuming the worksheet was done correctly, my understanding so far is that Jupiter is strong to give events. I need to study all this a lot more, go deeper, and also watch the suns transit carefully to connect with the phenomenon closer. I really liked the analogy given by Krushnaji about the Boss/Subordinate scenerio. It makes learning more clear when those types of methods are used to explain the concepts. Thanks again, Puneet , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Deaer Puneet, > I just went though your chart, Jupiter does not become strong due to > Saturn. Here Guru has 3 bindus and Shani has 2 bindus. Guru is in > 10th from Shani. > > I was not clear on this part if Guru and Shani are samdharmi. Just > by the virtue of being in 4:10 without considering points can they > become samdharmi ? or > > Does the planet in 10th MUST be less than planet in 4th from it. > i.e. planet in 10th must be < 4 bindus and planet in 4th must be > 4 > bindus. > > Here Guru has FK for 10th and 1st and FK for 5th and 2nd. Shani has > FK for 11th and 12th and NK for 3rd and 4th. > > Gurus antra happened in 1985/02 thru 87/02 i.e. Guru/Guru and now > its Shani/Shani. > > From my understanding of Rons chart he I beleive had got a job in > antra of 10th house planet and it was reverted with antra of planet > in 4th from it came about as planet in 4th from it was having less > points than planet in 10th. > > Since in your case the Mahadasha changes from Guru/Guru to > Shani/Shani and the next Shani/Guru is in 2017 thru 2020 I do not > know what thigns it would oppose... I dont know if you see my point.. > > In any case I also would be interested to hear Krushnaji, Margarita > and other list members view point. > > Good question this one..... > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > , " sunnyjoshi25 " > <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > > Dear Krushnaji and list members: > > > > I am currently observing two phenomenon and I am hoping to get > more > > guidance in this area. (X= Saturn, Y= Jupiter, both are also > > samdharmi) Birth data: 4/25/1975, 3:20 pm (5:00W), 43n41, 79w20. > > > > Regarding the blocking effect of the subordinate in the 4-10 > > relationship, i.e. when the planet X in the fourth from Y, where Y > > has less points than X, X creates some trouble and causes some > > trouble due to the mildness of Y. > > > > But Y is getting strength from X, and is having the phenomenon of > > being a powerful planet for the results of almost all the houses > by > > having less than 4 points, and also getting benefic sight from X. > In > > worksheet Y has more than 12 points for all houses. > > > > Currently sub of X is running. It is 6th* and 7th lord. I can > relate > > to the group some of what I have been experiencing so far in this > > sub. I am living in a foreign country for job. I changed companies > > soon after the start of 1st job (Oct 8, 2002), began new job from > Jan > > 20, 2003. Became Manager of dept Feb 14, 2003. I have been an > > easygoing supervisor and my staff likes me but I do not have > control > > of them. They come and go as they please, and do not obey fully > they > > have no fear of me. I do not have the ability to be strict on > them. > > > > I received admission for higher education in my homeland which I > will > > pursue from Sept 2003. From this month (May) I am decreasing my > > responsibility and stepping down from my supervisor position. The > > transfer of power should occur some time later this month I do not > > have the date of this. (Any predictions on the date by members??) > I > > will leave the company around August 15 close to when I return > home. > > > > The transit of Sun through nakshatras of X and Y becomes > important. > > What will the transit of Sun in Punarvasu-Pushya involve? For the > > chart, 2 planets Moon and Jupiter have most points for all the > > houses. So I'm looking at the Suns transit through those > > nakshatras > > for events. Please comment and give further guidance for what I > have > > written. > > > > Hopefully you and other members could comment on these phenomenon > > further. It is similar to the phenomenon illustrated for the chart > of > > Ron Guant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 Dear Ash, It seems like my attempt to reply didn't go through so her it is again. Due to my newness I made a wrong statement saying that saturn and jupiter were samdharmi. Sorry for the oversight. Actually i was looking at the connection of the two planets by being in each others nakshatras. I need to study all this more. If I did the worksheet correctly, I think Jupiter should be strong to give events. Anyways, I just need to study on. Thanks for your help so far, Puneet , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Deaer Puneet, > I just went though your chart, Jupiter does not become strong due to > Saturn. Here Guru has 3 bindus and Shani has 2 bindus. Guru is in > 10th from Shani. > > I was not clear on this part if Guru and Shani are samdharmi. Just > by the virtue of being in 4:10 without considering points can they > become samdharmi ? or > > Does the planet in 10th MUST be less than planet in 4th from it. > i.e. planet in 10th must be < 4 bindus and planet in 4th must be > 4 > bindus. > > Here Guru has FK for 10th and 1st and FK for 5th and 2nd. Shani has > FK for 11th and 12th and NK for 3rd and 4th. > > Gurus antra happened in 1985/02 thru 87/02 i.e. Guru/Guru and now > its Shani/Shani. > > From my understanding of Rons chart he I beleive had got a job in > antra of 10th house planet and it was reverted with antra of planet > in 4th from it came about as planet in 4th from it was having less > points than planet in 10th. > > Since in your case the Mahadasha changes from Guru/Guru to > Shani/Shani and the next Shani/Guru is in 2017 thru 2020 I do not > know what thigns it would oppose... I dont know if you see my point.. > > In any case I also would be interested to hear Krushnaji, Margarita > and other list members view point. > > Good question this one..... > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > , " sunnyjoshi25 " > <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > > Dear Krushnaji and list members: > > > > I am currently observing two phenomenon and I am hoping to get > more > > guidance in this area. (X= Saturn, Y= Jupiter, both are also > > samdharmi) Birth data: 4/25/1975, 3:20 pm (5:00W), 43n41, 79w20. > > > > Regarding the blocking effect of the subordinate in the 4-10 > > relationship, i.e. when the planet X in the fourth from Y, where Y > > has less points than X, X creates some trouble and causes some > > trouble due to the mildness of Y. > > > > But Y is getting strength from X, and is having the phenomenon of > > being a powerful planet for the results of almost all the houses > by > > having less than 4 points, and also getting benefic sight from X. > In > > worksheet Y has more than 12 points for all houses. > > > > Currently sub of X is running. It is 6th* and 7th lord. I can > relate > > to the group some of what I have been experiencing so far in this > > sub. I am living in a foreign country for job. I changed companies > > soon after the start of 1st job (Oct 8, 2002), began new job from > Jan > > 20, 2003. Became Manager of dept Feb 14, 2003. I have been an > > easygoing supervisor and my staff likes me but I do not have > control > > of them. They come and go as they please, and do not obey fully > they > > have no fear of me. I do not have the ability to be strict on > them. > > > > I received admission for higher education in my homeland which I > will > > pursue from Sept 2003. From this month (May) I am decreasing my > > responsibility and stepping down from my supervisor position. The > > transfer of power should occur some time later this month I do not > > have the date of this. (Any predictions on the date by members??) > I > > will leave the company around August 15 close to when I return > home. > > > > The transit of Sun through nakshatras of X and Y becomes > important. > > What will the transit of Sun in Punarvasu-Pushya involve? For the > > chart, 2 planets Moon and Jupiter have most points for all the > > houses. So I'm looking at the Suns transit through those > > nakshatras > > for events. Please comment and give further guidance for what I > have > > written. > > > > Hopefully you and other members could comment on these phenomenon > > further. It is similar to the phenomenon illustrated for the chart > of > > Ron Guant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 Dear Puneet, Actually you raised a very very important phenemon in this system of 4:10 and I wanted to thank you for that. Yes absolutely I also liked the way Krushnaji explained with reference to Boss/Subordinate anology thats the way I remember it too. Another good point you observed was the fact w.r.t nakshatra. I do not have your chart on hand right now.. but if Shani and Guru are in nakshatra ruled by same planet then they infact do become samdharmi. I had not checked that in rush. Past few days I have been replying in rush so I may have skipped a few straight forward laws. Also you can take other charts to understand these phenemon. If others on the list have some chart with the following phenemon with " experience " that we can relate to then it would be just great. The conditions are 1) Planet in 4th having more points i.e. greater than 4 bindus with planet in 10th having less bindus i.e. less than 4. Perfect 4-10 condition where planet in 4th gives its points to planet in 10th and works for it. Strict boss and nice subordinates. 2) Planet in 10th and 4th with say 4 bindus both netural 3) Planet in 4th having less points i.e. < 4 and planet in 10th having more than 4 points. (opposite of point 1) 4) Planet in 4th having say 3 bindus and planet in 10th having 2 bindus. i.e. planet in 4th having more points than planet in 10th BUT both are less than 4 bindus. 5) Reverse case where planet in 4th say has 2 bindus and planet in 10th say has 3 bindus. 6) We can also take a case where Planet in 4th is 6th lord with more points and planet in 10th is less points where in planet in 10th gets points from 6th lord and we can see this result too on how it manifests. I hope members can look at their charts and see if these conditions apply and forward the same with point number.. we can then consolidate the same and start a thread and find out or try to see why events happend using the same. Keep up the good work Puneet by the way your questions are very intelligent, Cheers !!! Ash , " sunnyjoshi25 " <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Sorry: regarding the statement that jupiter and saturn are samdharmi - > it is a wrong statement. It is probably my oversight and newness to > these concepts. I have the day off and I'm going to study more about > samdharmi. My statement was probably more towards the fact that the > two planets: jupiter, saturn were further related by being in each > others nakshatras. There proably is another term for this type of > exchange. > > However, assuming the worksheet was done correctly, my understanding > so far is that Jupiter is strong to give events. I need to study all > this a lot more, go deeper, and also watch the suns transit carefully > to connect with the phenomenon closer. I really liked the analogy > given by Krushnaji about the Boss/Subordinate scenerio. It makes > learning more clear when those types of methods are used to explain > the concepts. > > Thanks again, > > Puneet > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > Deaer Puneet, > > I just went though your chart, Jupiter does not become strong due > to > > Saturn. Here Guru has 3 bindus and Shani has 2 bindus. Guru is in > > 10th from Shani. > > > > I was not clear on this part if Guru and Shani are samdharmi. Just > > by the virtue of being in 4:10 without considering points can they > > become samdharmi ? or > > > > Does the planet in 10th MUST be less than planet in 4th from it. > > i.e. planet in 10th must be < 4 bindus and planet in 4th must be > > 4 > > bindus. > > > > Here Guru has FK for 10th and 1st and FK for 5th and 2nd. Shani > has > > FK for 11th and 12th and NK for 3rd and 4th. > > > > Gurus antra happened in 1985/02 thru 87/02 i.e. Guru/Guru and now > > its Shani/Shani. > > > > From my understanding of Rons chart he I beleive had got a job in > > antra of 10th house planet and it was reverted with antra of planet > > in 4th from it came about as planet in 4th from it was having less > > points than planet in 10th. > > > > Since in your case the Mahadasha changes from Guru/Guru to > > Shani/Shani and the next Shani/Guru is in 2017 thru 2020 I do not > > know what thigns it would oppose... I dont know if you see my > point.. > > > > In any case I also would be interested to hear Krushnaji, Margarita > > and other list members view point. > > > > Good question this one..... > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > , " sunnyjoshi25 " > > <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji and list members: > > > > > > I am currently observing two phenomenon and I am hoping to get > > more > > > guidance in this area. (X= Saturn, Y= Jupiter, both are also > > > samdharmi) Birth data: 4/25/1975, 3:20 pm (5:00W), 43n41, 79w20. > > > > > > Regarding the blocking effect of the subordinate in the 4-10 > > > relationship, i.e. when the planet X in the fourth from Y, where > Y > > > has less points than X, X creates some trouble and causes some > > > trouble due to the mildness of Y. > > > > > > But Y is getting strength from X, and is having the phenomenon of > > > being a powerful planet for the results of almost all the houses > > by > > > having less than 4 points, and also getting benefic sight from X. > > In > > > worksheet Y has more than 12 points for all houses. > > > > > > Currently sub of X is running. It is 6th* and 7th lord. I can > > relate > > > to the group some of what I have been experiencing so far in this > > > sub. I am living in a foreign country for job. I changed > companies > > > soon after the start of 1st job (Oct 8, 2002), began new job from > > Jan > > > 20, 2003. Became Manager of dept Feb 14, 2003. I have been an > > > easygoing supervisor and my staff likes me but I do not have > > control > > > of them. They come and go as they please, and do not obey fully > > they > > > have no fear of me. I do not have the ability to be strict on > > them. > > > > > > I received admission for higher education in my homeland which I > > will > > > pursue from Sept 2003. From this month (May) I am decreasing my > > > responsibility and stepping down from my supervisor position. The > > > transfer of power should occur some time later this month I do > not > > > have the date of this. (Any predictions on the date by members??) > > I > > > will leave the company around August 15 close to when I return > > home. > > > > > > The transit of Sun through nakshatras of X and Y becomes > > important. > > > What will the transit of Sun in Punarvasu-Pushya involve? For the > > > chart, 2 planets Moon and Jupiter have most points for all the > > > houses. So I'm looking at the Suns transit through those > > > nakshatras > > > for events. Please comment and give further guidance for what I > > have > > > written. > > > > > > Hopefully you and other members could comment on these phenomenon > > > further. It is similar to the phenomenon illustrated for the > chart > > of > > > Ron Guant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 Hello Ash and Puneet, I don’t think Jupiter and Saturn are samdharmi because they are in a nakshatra of Jupiter. I think the law is as follows. “TWO PLANETS HAVE TO BE IN THE SAME SIGN OR CONSTELLATION”, so I think they have to be together and not in two different constellations ruled by the same planet. In this case of 4/10 relationship Saturn might give adverse results if he doesn’t score 12 points in the worksheet. Saturn by being lord of the 6th will not give benefic sight to Jupiter. I noted also something else in this chart. Taking the 1st as B we see that Saturn, lord of the 6th aspects house A and its lord, house B and house C and its lord. This could cause delays in personal growth, success or whatever. But as lord of E Saturn cannot hurt the 1st house. Has anybody some idea how to judge this ?? Best regards Margarita -----Original Message----- ashsam73 [ashsam73] Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:21 PM To: Subject: Re: 4/10 phenomenon Dear Puneet, Actually you raised a very very important phenemon in this system of 4:10 and I wanted to thank you for that. Yes absolutely I also liked the way Krushnaji explained with reference to Boss/Subordinate anology thats the way I remember it too. Another good point you observed was the fact w.r.t nakshatra. I do not have your chart on hand right now.. but if Shani and Guru are in nakshatra ruled by same planet then they infact do become samdharmi. I had not checked that in rush. Past few days I have been replying in rush so I may have skipped a few straight forward laws. Also you can take other charts to understand these phenemon. If others on the list have some chart with the following phenemon with " experience " that we can relate to then it would be just great. The conditions are 1) Planet in 4th having more points i.e. greater than 4 bindus with planet in 10th having less bindus i.e. less than 4. Perfect 4-10 condition where planet in 4th gives its points to planet in 10th and works for it. Strict boss and nice subordinates. 2) Planet in 10th and 4th with say 4 bindus both netural 3) Planet in 4th having less points i.e. < 4 and planet in 10th having more than 4 points. (opposite of point 1) 4) Planet in 4th having say 3 bindus and planet in 10th having 2 bindus. i.e. planet in 4th having more points than planet in 10th BUT both are less than 4 bindus. 5) Reverse case where planet in 4th say has 2 bindus and planet in 10th say has 3 bindus. 6) We can also take a case where Planet in 4th is 6th lord with more points and planet in 10th is less points where in planet in 10th gets points from 6th lord and we can see this result too on how it manifests. I hope members can look at their charts and see if these conditions apply and forward the same with point number.. we can then consolidate the same and start a thread and find out or try to see why events happend using the same. Keep up the good work Puneet by the way your questions are very intelligent, Cheers !!! Ash , " sunnyjoshi25 " <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Sorry: regarding the statement that jupiter and saturn are samdharmi - > it is a wrong statement. It is probably my oversight and newness to > these concepts. I have the day off and I'm going to study more about > samdharmi. My statement was probably more towards the fact that the > two planets: jupiter, saturn were further related by being in each > others nakshatras. There proably is another term for this type of > exchange. > > However, assuming the worksheet was done correctly, my understanding > so far is that Jupiter is strong to give events. I need to study all > this a lot more, go deeper, and also watch the suns transit carefully > to connect with the phenomenon closer. I really liked the analogy > given by Krushnaji about the Boss/Subordinate scenerio. It makes > learning more clear when those types of methods are used to explain > the concepts. > > Thanks again, > > Puneet > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > Deaer Puneet, > > I just went though your chart, Jupiter does not become strong due > to > > Saturn. Here Guru has 3 bindus and Shani has 2 bindus. Guru is in > > 10th from Shani. > > > > I was not clear on this part if Guru and Shani are samdharmi. Just > > by the virtue of being in 4:10 without considering points can they > > become samdharmi ? or > > > > Does the planet in 10th MUST be less than planet in 4th from it. > > i.e. planet in 10th must be < 4 bindus and planet in 4th must be > > 4 > > bindus. > > > > Here Guru has FK for 10th and 1st and FK for 5th and 2nd. Shani > has > > FK for 11th and 12th and NK for 3rd and 4th. > > > > Gurus antra happened in 1985/02 thru 87/02 i.e. Guru/Guru and now > > its Shani/Shani. > > > > From my understanding of Rons chart he I beleive had got a job in > > antra of 10th house planet and it was reverted with antra of planet > > in 4th from it came about as planet in 4th from it was having less > > points than planet in 10th. > > > > Since in your case the Mahadasha changes from Guru/Guru to > > Shani/Shani and the next Shani/Guru is in 2017 thru 2020 I do not > > know what thigns it would oppose... I dont know if you see my > point.. > > > > In any case I also would be interested to hear Krushnaji, Margarita > > and other list members view point. > > > > Good question this one..... > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > , " sunnyjoshi25 " > > <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji and list members: > > > > > > I am currently observing two phenomenon and I am hoping to get > > more > > > guidance in this area. (X= Saturn, Y= Jupiter, both are also > > > samdharmi) Birth data: 4/25/1975, 3:20 pm (5:00W), 43n41, 79w20. > > > > > > Regarding the blocking effect of the subordinate in the 4-10 > > > relationship, i.e. when the planet X in the fourth from Y, where > Y > > > has less points than X, X creates some trouble and causes some > > > trouble due to the mildness of Y. > > > > > > But Y is getting strength from X, and is having the phenomenon of > > > being a powerful planet for the results of almost all the houses > > by > > > having less than 4 points, and also getting benefic sight from X. > > In > > > worksheet Y has more than 12 points for all houses. > > > > > > Currently sub of X is running. It is 6th* and 7th lord. I can > > relate > > > to the group some of what I have been experiencing so far in this > > > sub. I am living in a foreign country for job. I changed > companies > > > soon after the start of 1st job (Oct 8, 2002), began new job from > > Jan > > > 20, 2003. Became Manager of dept Feb 14, 2003. I have been an > > > easygoing supervisor and my staff likes me but I do not have > > control > > > of them. They come and go as they please, and do not obey fully > > they > > > have no fear of me. I do not have the ability to be strict on > > them. > > > > > > I received admission for higher education in my homeland which I > > will > > > pursue from Sept 2003. From this month (May) I am decreasing my > > > responsibility and stepping down from my supervisor position. The > > > transfer of power should occur some time later this month I do > not > > > have the date of this. (Any predictions on the date by members??) > > I > > > will leave the company around August 15 close to when I return > > home. > > > > > > The transit of Sun through nakshatras of X and Y becomes > > important. > > > What will the transit of Sun in Punarvasu-Pushya involve? For the > > > chart, 2 planets Moon and Jupiter have most points for all the > > > houses. So I'm looking at the Suns transit through those > > > nakshatras > > > for events. Please comment and give further guidance for what I > > have > > > written. > > > > > > Hopefully you and other members could comment on these phenomenon > > > further. It is similar to the phenomenon illustrated for the > chart > > of > > > Ron Guant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 Dear Margarita, Once I was going through a chart and I had an could not understand why a marriage was delayed so Krushnaji told me to study the nakshatra where the planets were placed. They were in different signs but in the nakshatra lords were same. So Krushnaji told me that these planets are samdharmi. So now I have started to look at planets in nakshatra for samdharmi yes I do agree and I think if Krushnaji corrects clarifies this email if what I have said is correct then we can add this point to the lesson so that there is no further confusion. Let me just make sure that we are on the same page I shall narrate this with an example If Guru is in nakshatra of venus and Mercury is in a nakshatra of Venus in a different sign then still Guru and Mercury become Samdharmi. Saturn delays matters in 3rd from it. It reverts interest in matters 6th from it. If Shani is 6th lord then its LOE for 1st so it will be good for 1st house matters We do not consider sight of Shani as malefic due to the fact that its either LOD or LOE. The above is my understanding. Thaking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Ash and Puneet, > I don't think Jupiter and Saturn are samdharmi because they are in a > nakshatra of Jupiter. I think the law is as follows. " TWO PLANETS HAVE TO BE > IN THE SAME SIGN OR CONSTELLATION " , so I think they have to be together and > not in two different constellations ruled by the same planet. > In this case of 4/10 relationship Saturn might give adverse results if he > doesn't score 12 points in the worksheet. > Saturn by being lord of the 6th will not give benefic sight to Jupiter. > > I noted also something else in this chart. > Taking the 1st as B we see that Saturn, lord of the 6th aspects house A and > its lord, house B and house C and its lord. This could cause delays in > personal growth, success or whatever. But as lord of E Saturn cannot hurt > the 1st house. Has anybody some idea how to judge this ?? > Best regards > Margarita > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:21 PM > > Re: 4/10 phenomenon > > Dear Puneet, > > Actually you raised a very very important phenemon in this system of > 4:10 and I wanted to thank you for that. Yes absolutely I also > liked the way Krushnaji explained with reference to Boss/Subordinate > anology thats the way I remember it too. > > Another good point you observed was the fact w.r.t nakshatra. I do > not have your chart on hand right now.. but if Shani and Guru are in > nakshatra ruled by same planet then they infact do become samdharmi. > > I had not checked that in rush. Past few days I have been replying > in rush so I may have skipped a few straight forward laws. > > Also you can take other charts to understand these phenemon. If > others on the list have some chart with the following phenemon > with " experience " that we can relate to then it would be just great. > > The conditions are > > 1) Planet in 4th having more points i.e. greater than 4 bindus with > planet in 10th having less bindus i.e. less than 4. Perfect 4-10 > condition where planet in 4th gives its points to planet in 10th and > works for it. Strict boss and nice subordinates. > > 2) Planet in 10th and 4th with say 4 bindus both netural > > 3) Planet in 4th having less points i.e. < 4 and planet in 10th > having more than 4 points. (opposite of point 1) > > 4) Planet in 4th having say 3 bindus and planet in 10th having 2 > bindus. i.e. planet in 4th having more points than planet in 10th > BUT both are less than 4 bindus. > > 5) Reverse case where planet in 4th say has 2 bindus and planet in > 10th say has 3 bindus. > > 6) We can also take a case where Planet in 4th is 6th lord with more > points and planet in 10th is less points where in planet in 10th > gets points from 6th lord and we can see this result too on how it > manifests. > > I hope members can look at their charts and see if these conditions > apply and forward the same with point number.. we can then > consolidate the same and start a thread and find out or try to see > why events happend using the same. > > Keep up the good work Puneet by the way your questions are very > intelligent, > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " sunnyjoshi25 " > <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Sorry: regarding the statement that jupiter and saturn are > samdharmi - > > it is a wrong statement. It is probably my oversight and newness > to > > these concepts. I have the day off and I'm going to study more > about > > samdharmi. My statement was probably more towards the fact that > the > > two planets: jupiter, saturn were further related by being in each > > others nakshatras. There proably is another term for this type of > > exchange. > > > > However, assuming the worksheet was done correctly, my > understanding > > so far is that Jupiter is strong to give events. I need to study > all > > this a lot more, go deeper, and also watch the suns transit > carefully > > to connect with the phenomenon closer. I really liked the analogy > > given by Krushnaji about the Boss/Subordinate scenerio. It makes > > learning more clear when those types of methods are used to > explain > > the concepts. > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Puneet > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > Deaer Puneet, > > > I just went though your chart, Jupiter does not become strong > due > > to > > > Saturn. Here Guru has 3 bindus and Shani has 2 bindus. Guru is > in > > > 10th from Shani. > > > > > > I was not clear on this part if Guru and Shani are samdharmi. > Just > > > by the virtue of being in 4:10 without considering points can > they > > > become samdharmi ? or > > > > > > Does the planet in 10th MUST be less than planet in 4th from it. > > > i.e. planet in 10th must be < 4 bindus and planet in 4th must be > > > > 4 > > > bindus. > > > > > > Here Guru has FK for 10th and 1st and FK for 5th and 2nd. Shani > > has > > > FK for 11th and 12th and NK for 3rd and 4th. > > > > > > Gurus antra happened in 1985/02 thru 87/02 i.e. Guru/Guru and > now > > > its Shani/Shani. > > > > > > From my understanding of Rons chart he I beleive had got a job > in > > > antra of 10th house planet and it was reverted with antra of > planet > > > in 4th from it came about as planet in 4th from it was having > less > > > points than planet in 10th. > > > > > > Since in your case the Mahadasha changes from Guru/Guru to > > > Shani/Shani and the next Shani/Guru is in 2017 thru 2020 I do > not > > > know what thigns it would oppose... I dont know if you see my > > point.. > > > > > > In any case I also would be interested to hear Krushnaji, > Margarita > > > and other list members view point. > > > > > > Good question this one..... > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunnyjoshi25 " > > > <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > > > > Dear Krushnaji and list members: > > > > > > > > I am currently observing two phenomenon and I am hoping to get > > > more > > > > guidance in this area. (X= Saturn, Y= Jupiter, both are also > > > > samdharmi) Birth data: 4/25/1975, 3:20 pm (5:00W), 43n41, > 79w20. > > > > > > > > Regarding the blocking effect of the subordinate in the 4-10 > > > > relationship, i.e. when the planet X in the fourth from Y, > where > > Y > > > > has less points than X, X creates some trouble and causes some > > > > trouble due to the mildness of Y. > > > > > > > > But Y is getting strength from X, and is having the phenomenon > of > > > > being a powerful planet for the results of almost all the > houses > > > by > > > > having less than 4 points, and also getting benefic sight from > X. > > > In > > > > worksheet Y has more than 12 points for all houses. > > > > > > > > Currently sub of X is running. It is 6th* and 7th lord. I can > > > relate > > > > to the group some of what I have been experiencing so far in > this > > > > sub. I am living in a foreign country for job. I changed > > companies > > > > soon after the start of 1st job (Oct 8, 2002), began new job > from > > > Jan > > > > 20, 2003. Became Manager of dept Feb 14, 2003. I have been an > > > > easygoing supervisor and my staff likes me but I do not have > > > control > > > > of them. They come and go as they please, and do not obey > fully > > > they > > > > have no fear of me. I do not have the ability to be strict on > > > them. > > > > > > > > I received admission for higher education in my homeland which > I > > > will > > > > pursue from Sept 2003. From this month (May) I am decreasing > my > > > > responsibility and stepping down from my supervisor position. > The > > > > transfer of power should occur some time later this month I do > > not > > > > have the date of this. (Any predictions on the date by > members??) > > > I > > > > will leave the company around August 15 close to when I return > > > home. > > > > > > > > The transit of Sun through nakshatras of X and Y becomes > > > important. > > > > What will the transit of Sun in Punarvasu-Pushya involve? For > the > > > > chart, 2 planets Moon and Jupiter have most points for all the > > > > houses. So I'm looking at the Suns transit through those > > > > nakshatras > > > > for events. Please comment and give further guidance for what > I > > > have > > > > written. > > > > > > > > Hopefully you and other members could comment on these > phenomenon > > > > further. It is similar to the phenomenon illustrated for the > > chart > > > of > > > > Ron Guant. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 Well yes Ash, you could be right about the samdharmi of two planets in same nakshatra. I was not aware of that mail. As to the aspect of Saturn, I think you are right, for the 1st house Saturn loses his malefic nature because he is lord of E. It’s good to discuss these matters again, I sometimes overlook things Best regards Margarita -----Original Message----- ashsam73 [ashsam73] Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:12 AM To: Subject: Re: 4/10 phenomenon Dear Margarita, Once I was going through a chart and I had an could not understand why a marriage was delayed so Krushnaji told me to study the nakshatra where the planets were placed. They were in different signs but in the nakshatra lords were same. So Krushnaji told me that these planets are samdharmi. So now I have started to look at planets in nakshatra for samdharmi yes I do agree and I think if Krushnaji corrects clarifies this email if what I have said is correct then we can add this point to the lesson so that there is no further confusion. Let me just make sure that we are on the same page I shall narrate this with an example If Guru is in nakshatra of venus and Mercury is in a nakshatra of Venus in a different sign then still Guru and Mercury become Samdharmi. Saturn delays matters in 3rd from it. It reverts interest in matters 6th from it. If Shani is 6th lord then its LOE for 1st so it will be good for 1st house matters We do not consider sight of Shani as malefic due to the fact that its either LOD or LOE. The above is my understanding. Thaking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Ash and Puneet, > I don't think Jupiter and Saturn are samdharmi because they are in a > nakshatra of Jupiter. I think the law is as follows. " TWO PLANETS HAVE TO BE > IN THE SAME SIGN OR CONSTELLATION " , so I think they have to be together and > not in two different constellations ruled by the same planet. > In this case of 4/10 relationship Saturn might give adverse results if he > doesn't score 12 points in the worksheet. > Saturn by being lord of the 6th will not give benefic sight to Jupiter. > > I noted also something else in this chart. > Taking the 1st as B we see that Saturn, lord of the 6th aspects house A and > its lord, house B and house C and its lord. This could cause delays in > personal growth, success or whatever. But as lord of E Saturn cannot hurt > the 1st house. Has anybody some idea how to judge this ?? > Best regards > Margarita > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:21 PM > > Re: 4/10 phenomenon > > Dear Puneet, > > Actually you raised a very very important phenemon in this system of > 4:10 and I wanted to thank you for that. Yes absolutely I also > liked the way Krushnaji explained with reference to Boss/Subordinate > anology thats the way I remember it too. > > Another good point you observed was the fact w.r.t nakshatra. I do > not have your chart on hand right now.. but if Shani and Guru are in > nakshatra ruled by same planet then they infact do become samdharmi. > > I had not checked that in rush. Past few days I have been replying > in rush so I may have skipped a few straight forward laws. > > Also you can take other charts to understand these phenemon. If > others on the list have some chart with the following phenemon > with " experience " that we can relate to then it would be just great. > > The conditions are > > 1) Planet in 4th having more points i.e. greater than 4 bindus with > planet in 10th having less bindus i.e. less than 4. Perfect 4-10 > condition where planet in 4th gives its points to planet in 10th and > works for it. Strict boss and nice subordinates. > > 2) Planet in 10th and 4th with say 4 bindus both netural > > 3) Planet in 4th having less points i.e. < 4 and planet in 10th > having more than 4 points. (opposite of point 1) > > 4) Planet in 4th having say 3 bindus and planet in 10th having 2 > bindus. i.e. planet in 4th having more points than planet in 10th > BUT both are less than 4 bindus. > > 5) Reverse case where planet in 4th say has 2 bindus and planet in > 10th say has 3 bindus. > > 6) We can also take a case where Planet in 4th is 6th lord with more > points and planet in 10th is less points where in planet in 10th > gets points from 6th lord and we can see this result too on how it > manifests. > > I hope members can look at their charts and see if these conditions > apply and forward the same with point number.. we can then > consolidate the same and start a thread and find out or try to see > why events happend using the same. > > Keep up the good work Puneet by the way your questions are very > intelligent, > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " sunnyjoshi25 " > <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Sorry: regarding the statement that jupiter and saturn are > samdharmi - > > it is a wrong statement. It is probably my oversight and newness > to > > these concepts. I have the day off and I'm going to study more > about > > samdharmi. My statement was probably more towards the fact that > the > > two planets: jupiter, saturn were further related by being in each > > others nakshatras. There proably is another term for this type of > > exchange. > > > > However, assuming the worksheet was done correctly, my > understanding > > so far is that Jupiter is strong to give events. I need to study > all > > this a lot more, go deeper, and also watch the suns transit > carefully > > to connect with the phenomenon closer. I really liked the analogy > > given by Krushnaji about the Boss/Subordinate scenerio. It makes > > learning more clear when those types of methods are used to > explain > > the concepts. > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Puneet > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > Deaer Puneet, > > > I just went though your chart, Jupiter does not become strong > due > > to > > > Saturn. Here Guru has 3 bindus and Shani has 2 bindus. Guru is > in > > > 10th from Shani. > > > > > > I was not clear on this part if Guru and Shani are samdharmi. > Just > > > by the virtue of being in 4:10 without considering points can > they > > > become samdharmi ? or > > > > > > Does the planet in 10th MUST be less than planet in 4th from it. > > > i.e. planet in 10th must be < 4 bindus and planet in 4th must be > > > > 4 > > > bindus. > > > > > > Here Guru has FK for 10th and 1st and FK for 5th and 2nd. Shani > > has > > > FK for 11th and 12th and NK for 3rd and 4th. > > > > > > Gurus antra happened in 1985/02 thru 87/02 i.e. Guru/Guru and > now > > > its Shani/Shani. > > > > > > From my understanding of Rons chart he I beleive had got a job > in > > > antra of 10th house planet and it was reverted with antra of > planet > > > in 4th from it came about as planet in 4th from it was having > less > > > points than planet in 10th. > > > > > > Since in your case the Mahadasha changes from Guru/Guru to > > > Shani/Shani and the next Shani/Guru is in 2017 thru 2020 I do > not > > > know what thigns it would oppose... I dont know if you see my > > point.. > > > > > > In any case I also would be interested to hear Krushnaji, > Margarita > > > and other list members view point. > > > > > > Good question this one..... > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunnyjoshi25 " > > > <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > > > > Dear Krushnaji and list members: > > > > > > > > I am currently observing two phenomenon and I am hoping to get > > > more > > > > guidance in this area. (X= Saturn, Y= Jupiter, both are also > > > > samdharmi) Birth data: 4/25/1975, 3:20 pm (5:00W), 43n41, > 79w20. > > > > > > > > Regarding the blocking effect of the subordinate in the 4-10 > > > > relationship, i.e. when the planet X in the fourth from Y, > where > > Y > > > > has less points than X, X creates some trouble and causes some > > > > trouble due to the mildness of Y. > > > > > > > > But Y is getting strength from X, and is having the phenomenon > of > > > > being a powerful planet for the results of almost all the > houses > > > by > > > > having less than 4 points, and also getting benefic sight from > X. > > > In > > > > worksheet Y has more than 12 points for all houses. > > > > > > > > Currently sub of X is running. It is 6th* and 7th lord. I can > > > relate > > > > to the group some of what I have been experiencing so far in > this > > > > sub. I am living in a foreign country for job. I changed > > companies > > > > soon after the start of 1st job (Oct 8, 2002), began new job > from > > > Jan > > > > 20, 2003. Became Manager of dept Feb 14, 2003. I have been an > > > > easygoing supervisor and my staff likes me but I do not have > > > control > > > > of them. They come and go as they please, and do not obey > fully > > > they > > > > have no fear of me. I do not have the ability to be strict on > > > them. > > > > > > > > I received admission for higher education in my homeland which > I > > > will > > > > pursue from Sept 2003. From this month (May) I am decreasing > my > > > > responsibility and stepping down from my supervisor position. > The > > > > transfer of power should occur some time later this month I do > > not > > > > have the date of this. (Any predictions on the date by > members??) > > > I > > > > will leave the company around August 15 close to when I return > > > home. > > > > > > > > The transit of Sun through nakshatras of X and Y becomes > > > important. > > > > What will the transit of Sun in Punarvasu-Pushya involve? For > the > > > > chart, 2 planets Moon and Jupiter have most points for all the > > > > houses. So I'm looking at the Suns transit through those > > > > nakshatras > > > > for events. Please comment and give further guidance for what > I > > > have > > > > written. > > > > > > > > Hopefully you and other members could comment on these > phenomenon > > > > further. It is similar to the phenomenon illustrated for the > > chart > > > of > > > > Ron Guant. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 Dear Ash, here are the data for 3 charts showing different versions of the 4/10 phenomenon. The first one has been given by Krushna some time ago. It is the chart of a man dead in an airplane accident. The birth data are: March 10th 1945 at 7:00 am in Bombay, India (lagna: 9°49' Aquarius, Moon 0°58' Capricorn). Saturn is in the 4th house from Mercury. Mercury has got 3 points and Saturn only 2. The native died in Saturn/Saturn. Saturn is natural samdharmi to Venus, which is in third house with 5 points. Mercury is lord of fifth house ie D for 8th house being B. It has the highest score for 8th house. But Saturn gave the event. Krushna explained that, in this case we had to delete twice the points given by Saturn to Mercury and compare the remaining scores. Here Saturn and Mercury have the same score left, so Saturn overcomes Mercury. The second case is that of a male native born on May 19th 1967 at 8:47 pm in Boulogne-Billancourt, France (48N50, 2E15).Lagna:9°59' Scorpio, Moon:10°12' Virgo. Here the Moon and Mars are in the 4th place from Venus. Venus has got 3 points, Mars 5 and the Moon 4. This placement gives high score to Venus for all houses. But Mars is 6th lord. Also, the Moon is lord of 12th from X. In Rahu/Venus, the native resigned from his phD because he didn't get along with his director. This was a stop to the career he had thought about in scientifical research. So here Venus wasn't good for 10th house, in spite of being lord of D for X=B. I think this illustrates the rule given by Krushna in the lessons: if the 12th lord from a house is in the fourth place from a planet, the planet won't give good results for that house. The last one is that of a male native born on October 28th 1944 at 6:20 pm in Paris, France. Lagna: 2°44' Taurus, Moon:3°13' Pisces. Venus is in the fourth house from Jupiter. Jupiter has got 7 points and Venus 2 points. Venus is the 6th lord. In Ketu/Venus, his wife left him. The subsequent sub-period of Jupiter wasn't benefic for marriage (relationships that didn't last). Hope this can be of some interest. Best regards Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 Dear Philippe and list members, Philippe, Thank you for your email. Yes this is very interesting. I have taken a print out of this mail and will study it if I get a chance over the weekend. I shall be away for the weekend so I will respond after I get back. In the mean time other members can study these events and post their feedback if they get a chance over the weekend. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " philippe bonin " <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > here are the data for 3 charts showing different versions of the 4/10 > phenomenon. > The first one has been given by Krushna some time ago. It is the chart of a > man dead in an airplane accident. The birth data are: > March 10th 1945 at 7:00 am in Bombay, India (lagna: 9°49' Aquarius, Moon > 0°58' Capricorn). > Saturn is in the 4th house from Mercury. Mercury has got 3 points and Saturn > only 2. The native died in Saturn/Saturn. Saturn is natural samdharmi to > Venus, which is in third house with 5 points. Mercury is lord of fifth house > ie D for 8th house being B. It has the highest score for 8th house. But > Saturn gave the event. Krushna explained that, in this case we had to delete > twice the points given by Saturn to Mercury and compare the remaining > scores. Here Saturn and Mercury have the same score left, so Saturn > overcomes Mercury. > > The second case is that of a male native born on May 19th 1967 at 8:47 pm in > Boulogne-Billancourt, France (48N50, 2E15).Lagna:9°59' Scorpio, Moon:10°12' > Virgo. > Here the Moon and Mars are in the 4th place from Venus. Venus has got 3 > points, Mars 5 and the Moon 4. This placement gives high score to Venus for > all houses. But Mars is 6th lord. Also, the Moon is lord of 12th from X. In > Rahu/Venus, the native resigned from his phD because he didn't get along > with his director. This was a stop to the career he had thought about in > scientifical research. So here Venus wasn't good for 10th house, in spite of > being lord of D for X=B. I think this illustrates the rule given by Krushna > in the lessons: if the 12th lord from a house is in the fourth place from a > planet, the planet won't give good results for that house. > > The last one is that of a male native born on October 28th 1944 at 6:20 pm > in Paris, France. Lagna: 2°44' Taurus, Moon:3°13' Pisces. > Venus is in the fourth house from Jupiter. Jupiter has got 7 points and > Venus 2 points. Venus is the 6th lord. In Ketu/Venus, his wife left him. The > subsequent sub-period of Jupiter wasn't benefic for marriage (relationships > that didn't last). > > Hope this can be of some interest. > > Best regards > Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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