Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Dear Krushnaji, In an old discussion you had with Sanjay here is another interesting point I wanted to know more about. Sorry for digging up all these awesome discussions you have had but I am not clear on this point. Can you just try to give just an example it may be hypothetical so that I understand exactly what you have meant. This is the part I have not understood rather would like to get an example if possible. You said " Mainly the degrees of the karak planet is considered for finding the quontam of the result. When the natural karak planet is situated in it's relative place, with more points it enhances the results. " And the mail is this one just for your reference. /message/1078 I do not know if Sanjay is still reading these mails but he really asked some very brilliant questions. Krushnaji, when you get some free time can you tell a little more on this phenemon. Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Dear Ash and list members, Here is a chart. D.O.B. 30th Jan 1949. B.T. 02 30 AM at Pune 18N38, 073E53 India (GMT +5.5) See the degree of Saturn. In work sheet the Saturn is powerful. (even reducing the points of Mars sixth lord) In 6 D charts our of 16 D charts, it is situated in 10th house. So his business could be related to Land, Mining, Oil, Kerosine, etc. He is having Petrol Pump, Kerosine dealership, Stone Quarry, and Stone Crushing industry. At present he is running Rahu sub in Saturn Main. He is facing problem in partnership. Sun in 3rd house again in Dreshkone it is in 3rd house, So he should have min 2 Mothers. ( he is having 3 mothers ) His partner is his step brother. I have told him he have to divide his ancestor property with his brother. He will have tension and unneccesary allegations in the current period. He may get cheated in the present period. Similar things happened in this period. Now he have to divide his ancestor property. He will get some relief after 1st of Sept.03, Matter will continue upto March 05. This result I have given based on the degree of the Saturn, Mars, Venus., Dasha, Work sheet. This result I have given him some one and half year back. He had been to me for asking the date of marriage of his sceond son. At that time casually he asked me about his chart. Yesterday again he had been to me, and told me his step brother had with drawn about Rs 1,50,00,000 (say $3,00,000) from bank account with out his knowledge. This happened in last 3/4 years. The inportance of degrees of a planet is much helpful in judgement of the quontam of the result. From the work sheet, we can easily say there must be some problem for 2nd house result in the current period. ( this can be only with Krushna's Ayanansha ) krushna --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Krushnaji, In an old discussion you had with Sanjay here is another interesting point I wanted to know more about. Sorry for digging up all these awesome discussions you have had but I am not clear on this point. Can you just try to give just an example it may be hypothetical so that I understand exactly what you have meant. This is the part I have not understood rather would like to get an example if possible. You said " Mainly the degrees of the karak planet is considered for finding the quontam of the result. When the natural karak planet is situated in it's relative place, with more points it enhances the results. " And the mail is this one just for your reference. /message/1078 I do not know if Sanjay is still reading these mails but he really asked some very brilliant questions. Krushnaji, when you get some free time can you tell a little more on this phenemon. Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Respected Krushna, Ash and listmembers, This becomes a bit more complicated and I could never have predicted what Krushna predicted although I get some glimpses of the reasoning. The key of the problem is the position of Saturn in 12°25 Leo, Venus at 28°29 and Mars at 27°40. If this positions have something particular then we have to know more about it. I know about a book of K.T. Shubhakaran who describes positions of planets in particular degrees of nakshatras but then we have to take into account Krushna’s ayanamsa if we want to be accurate. I don’t remember that anything was said about the ayanamsa used. I would be grateful to get some more information about that please. On a more general level, one could predict frictions and difficulties with brothers or associates. The four planets in the 3th house boost his 1st were he gets 43 points so he is not inclined to accept other people’s advice. Moon/Mars/Mercury are in Mars nakshatra; Saturn/Rahu/Ketu in Ketu/Rahu, so the influence of Mars 6th/1st lord and the nodes don’t give him a graceful disposition but an enormous willpower. Mars is having 0 points for the 2nd indicating some problems for this house and others related to it. He also seems to have big spending because of high points in the 12th Some other question arose What is the reasoning behind the fact that Sun in the 3th Rashi and dreshkona gives 2 mothers ???????? All feed back is welcome. Thanks for posting this mail Krushna Best regards Margarita -----Original Message----- krushna jugalkalani [krushanain] Friday, May 30, 2003 8:43 PM Re: Karak - Degrees Dear Ash and list members, Here is a chart. D.O.B. 30th Jan 1949. B.T. 02 30 AM at Pune 18N38, 073E53 India (GMT +5.5) See the degree of Saturn. In work sheet the Saturn is powerful. (even reducing the points of Mars sixth lord) In 6 D charts our of 16 D charts, it is situated in 10th house. So his business could be related to Land, Mining, Oil, Kerosine, etc. He is having Petrol Pump, Kerosine dealership, Stone Quarry, and Stone Crushing industry. At present he is running Rahu sub in Saturn Main. He is facing problem in partnership. Sun in 3rd house again in Dreshkone it is in 3rd house, So he should have min 2 Mothers. ( he is having 3 mothers ) His partner is his step brother. I have told him he have to divide his ancestor property with his brother. He will have tension and unneccesary allegations in the current period. He may get cheated in the present period. Similar things happened in this period. Now he have to divide his ancestor property. He will get some relief after 1st of Sept.03, Matter will continue upto March 05. This result I have given based on the degree of the Saturn, Mars, Venus., Dasha, Work sheet. This result I have given him some one and half year back. He had been to me for asking the date of marriage of his sceond son. At that time casually he asked me about his chart. Yesterday again he had been to me, and told me his step brother had with drawn about Rs 1,50,00,000 (say $3,00,000) from bank account with out his knowledge. This happened in last 3/4 years. The inportance of degrees of a planet is much helpful in judgement of the quontam of the result. >From the work sheet, we can easily say there must be some problem for 2nd house result in the current period. ( this can be only with Krushna's Ayanansha ) krushna --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Krushnaji, In an old discussion you had with Sanjay here is another interesting point I wanted to know more about. Sorry for digging up all these awesome discussions you have had but I am not clear on this point. Can you just try to give just an example it may be hypothetical so that I understand exactly what you have meant. This is the part I have not understood rather would like to get an example if possible. You said " Mainly the degrees of the karak planet is considered for finding the quontam of the result. When the natural karak planet is situated in it's relative place, with more points it enhances the results. " And the mail is this one just for your reference. /message/1078 I do not know if Sanjay is still reading these mails but he really asked some very brilliant questions. Krushnaji, when you get some free time can you tell a little more on this phenemon. Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and List members, Whoa !!! and WOW !!! thats what came out of my mouth when I read this email... lol.. and let me second Margarita in telling you thanks for posting this email. This is a pretty heavy and loaded emai which is going to take me some time to decode and figure out how you came to each prediction.. but then Krushnaji you must have known that there would be a milllion questions coming at you especially from me.. ha ha ha .. This email is very very interesting and will help us go deeper into this system especially with divisional charts. I think now I get some faint idea of what you mean by Degrees. You have meant at a planet in a particular degree means its reflections in ALL the 16 divisional charts. I think in an old email I had asked about Nadi and I think (not sure) this is what you must have meant. Now just to skim the surface when you say degree of Saturn and as Margarita has pointed out is 12Le25. This particular degree with KRUSHNA'S AYANAMSA ONLY would take Shani in 6 divisions to 10th house. I checked with Lahiri and I did not get Shani in 6 places in Shodamsa. So Krushnas ayanamsa is very accurate. Margarita, I think Krushnaji means that with only these particular degrees in Rasi would places these planets in a particular house only in Shodamsa. With Krushas ayanamsa we come to placement of planets accurately in Rasi which automatically reflects into the Shodamsa. I am going to ask my questions below yours. Dear Ash and list members, Here is a chart. D.O.B. 30th Jan 1949. B.T. 02 30 AM at Pune 18N38, 073E53 India (GMT +5.5) See the degree of Saturn. In work sheet the Saturn is powerful. (even reducing the points of Mars sixth lord) Ash : Yes, Shani is powerful in worksheet for all houses. Shani is FK for 8th and 9th house and NK for 3rd and 4th house. In 6 D charts our of 16 D charts, it is situated in 10th house. So his business could be related to Land, Mining, Oil, Kerosine, etc. He is having Petrol Pump, Kerosine dealership, Stone Quarry, and Stone Crushing industry. Ash : Yes, ONLY with Krushnas ayanamsa you get this particular position of Shani in 6 divisional charts out of Shodamsa in 10th house. At present he is running Rahu sub in Saturn Main. He is facing problem in partnership. Ash : Rahu represents Mars. Its in 6th house in sign of Mars and Nakshatra of Ketu and Ketu = Venus. So Rahu = Mars and Venus. Problems in Partnership : Why ? What houses are you considering for partnership ? For trouble with brother : 6th lord being placed in 3rd house gives trouble with brother. Venus in in 12th from B = 3rd house with 6 bindus will not be favourable to 3rd house. It also has 16 points in worksheet for 3rd house so again more problems. Planets in 2nd house with high bindus creates problems and bad deeds can be opened during antra of such planet. Venus is FK for 5th and 12th house and NK for 7th and 12th house. Venus is also LOE for 2nd house and 3rd house and LOD for 7th and 10th. Recently Mars just finished its transit over Sagittarius and Mars has NK for 1st and 6th and FK for 6th and 11th. So he would have faced problems with respect to litigations or 6th house matters and income related issues and on health too. Can you please confirm is I am on proper track Krushnaji. These questions are very basic. Krushnaji : Sun in 3rd house again in Dreshkone it is in 3rd house, So he should have min 2 Mothers. ( he is having 3 mothers ) His partner is his step brother. Ash : Yes, like Margarita I think I am lost here to. I think we need some more basics here before we can get into this level of deapth. Krushnaji : I have told him he have to divide his ancestor property with his brother. He will have tension and unneccesary allegations in the current period. He may get cheated in the present period. Ash : How did you come to this conclusion Krushnaji or someone " cheating " him ? This is very interesting. Unecessary allegations I can understand as Venus is the culprit there being in 2nd house with high bindus and in antra of such a planet tentions and problems and toothaches etc come about and this is given in lessons and in past discussions but how did you come to conclusion of cheating. Krushnaji : Similar things happened in this period. Now he have to divide his ancestor property. He will get some relief after 1st of Sept.03, Matter will continue upto March 05. Ash : Timing, this is also interesting. See here too you have not just taken 1st 1/3rd period but you have gone in deeper. This period of Rahu commenced on 05/04/2002 thru 09/02/2005. Now each 1/3rd sub is 11 months and 9 days. So 1st 1/3rd part is from 05/04/2002 - 14/03/2003. You have given that this person will receive some releif. So what technique are you using here to come to these dates. Another check I did was to compute TRANSIT POINTS and I did notice something there. On September 1st 2003 his points jump up to over 200. I shall give some points here in this mail. August 20, 2003 193 August 21, 2003 193 August 22, 2003 196 August 23, 2003 196 August 24, 2003 196 August 25, 2003 188 August 26, 2003 188 August 27, 2003 195 August 28, 2003 195 August 29, 2003 197 August 30, 2003 197 August 31, 2003 204 September 1, 2003 204 September 2, 2003 211 September 3, 2003 211 September 4, 2003 211 September 5, 2003 186 September 6, 2003 184 September 7, 2003 189 September 8, 2003 189. Is this how you have considered or is there something else that you have also considered to come to that date of 1st September. The second part of you stating that these troubles will last till March 2005 is understood as thats when Rahus antra ends and Gurus antra starts. But then Guru again is 2nd lord so there again might be periods of unnecessary worries and tentions ? Am I on proper track. Need some more guidance with respect to Timing of this event. Krushnaji : This result I have given based on the degree of the Saturn, Mars, Venus., Dasha, Work sheet. Ash : Shani is FK for 8th and 9th house matters Venus is FK for 5th and 12th house matters Mars is FK for 11th and 6th house matters In the current period Rahu = Mars and Venus. I am sorry I still do not understand how you clued in on Shani ? Krushnaji : This result I have given him some one and half year back. He had been to me for asking the date of marriage of his sceond son. At that time casually he asked me about his chart. Yesterday again he had been to me, and told me his step brother had with drawn about Rs 1,50,00,000 (say $3,00,000) from bank account with out his knowledge. This happened in last 3/4 years. Ash : This is really amazing. Krushnaji, I have a suggestion that in future you can also give more posts on some of your successful predictions so that we can figure out how you arrived at that. This will make us even think more and get thoughts churning and will take us more deeper into this system. With this post its really opened my eyes atleast that we have just " Touched " the tip of the iceberg in this system and we have so much more to learn. Thank you again for teaching and bearing with us slow learners. :=). Krushnaji : The inportance of degrees of a planet is much helpful in judgement of the quontam of the result. Ash : Krushanji, I am so sorry to ask you but what exactly do you mean by Quantum. Do you like level for example if someone makes money as income then " Quantum " could mean " how much " . So someone could make Rs 100 a day and someone may make Rs 10,000 a day. Is that what you mean by Quantum ? Krushnaji : From the work sheet, we can easily say there must be some problem for 2nd house result in the current period. ( this can be only with Krushna's Ayanansha ) Ash : If this chart came to me I may not have been able to predict krushna Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , krushna jugalkalani <krushanain> wrote: > Dear Ash and list members, > Here is a chart. D.O.B. 30th Jan 1949. > B.T. 02 30 AM at Pune 18N38, 073E53 India (GMT +5.5) > See the degree of Saturn. In work sheet the > Saturn is powerful. (even reducing the points of Mars > sixth lord) In 6 D charts our of 16 D charts, it is > situated in 10th house. So his business could be > related to Land, Mining, Oil, Kerosine, etc. > He is having Petrol Pump, Kerosine dealership, > Stone Quarry, and Stone Crushing industry. > At present he is running Rahu sub in Saturn > Main. He is facing problem in partnership. Sun in 3rd > house again in Dreshkone it is in 3rd house, So he > should have min 2 Mothers. ( he is having 3 mothers ) > His partner is his step brother. > I have told him he have to divide his ancestor > property with his brother. He will have tension and > unneccesary allegations in the current period. He may > get cheated in the present period. > Similar things happened in this period. Now he > have to divide his ancestor property. He will get some > relief after 1st of Sept.03, Matter will continue upto > March 05. > This result I have given based on the degree > of the Saturn, Mars, Venus., Dasha, Work sheet. > This result I have given him some one and half > year back. He had been to me for asking the date of > marriage of his sceond son. At that time casually he > asked me about his chart. > Yesterday again he had been to me, and told me > his step brother had with drawn about Rs 1,50,00,000 > (say $3,00,000) from bank account with out his > knowledge. This happened in last 3/4 years. > The inportance of degrees of a planet is much > helpful in judgement of the quontam of the result. > From the work sheet, we can easily say there must be > some problem for 2nd house result in the current > period. ( this can be only with Krushna's Ayanansha ) > krushna > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji, > > In an old discussion you had with Sanjay here is > another interesting > point I wanted to know more about. Sorry for digging > up all these > awesome discussions you have had but I am not clear on > this point. > Can you just try to give just an example it may be > hypothetical so > that I understand exactly what you have meant. > > This is the part I have not understood rather would > like to get an > example if possible. > > You said > > " Mainly the degrees of the karak > planet is considered for finding the quontam of the > result. > When the natural karak planet is situated in it's > relative place, > with more points it enhances the results. " > > And the mail is this one just for your reference. > > /message/1078 > > I do not know if Sanjay is still reading these mails > but he really > asked some very brilliant questions. > > Krushnaji, when you get some free time can you tell a > little more on > this phenemon. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 Dear Margarita, This was my understand and again I may be off target. Only with Krushnas ayanamsa we get position of Shani at 12deg25 in Leo, Venus at 28deg29 and Mars at 27deg40. Once you get these positions then this will take these planets in particular house in Shodaamsa's or 16 divisional charts. With lahiri I tried this to see how Shani changes houses in Shodamsa and Shani was not in 6 places in 10th house at all. Only with Krushnas ayanamsa we got Shani going into 6 divisional charts in 10th house. I think this is the basis of Nadi. And if you remember quite recently I had post on once what Krushnji had said to some nadi rising in ascendent when rectifying a chart. I think this was what was meant. When 1 nadi changes a planet has changed position in Shodamsa. This is my basic understanding. So only with Krushnas ayanamsa you can get a particular Nadi which in turn gives us the quantum. A nakshatra spans for 3deg20 mins but a nadi is far smaller. I think a sign has 150 nadis so 12 signs or house will have 12*150 nadis. So I think we are going in far deeper than just nakshatras here and Krushnas ayanasma takes us accurately to pin point the correct Nadi. I hope I am on the right track with my thinking. I hope Krushnaji corrects my (mis)understanding. I think this mail is an invitation to us to dwelve in deeper into the system. he he he. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Respected Krushna, Ash and listmembers, > This becomes a bit more complicated and I could never have predicted what > Krushna predicted although I get some glimpses of the reasoning. > The key of the problem is the position of Saturn in 12°25 Leo, Venus at > 28°29 and Mars at 27°40. If this positions have something particular then > we have to know more about it. I know about a book of K.T. Shubhakaran who > describes positions of planets in particular degrees of nakshatras but then > we have to take into account Krushna's ayanamsa if we want to be accurate. I > don't remember that anything was said about the ayanamsa used. I would be > grateful to get some more information about that please. > On a more general level, one could predict frictions and difficulties with > brothers or associates. The four planets in the 3th house boost his 1st were > he gets 43 points so he is not inclined to accept other people's advice. > Moon/Mars/Mercury are in Mars nakshatra; Saturn/Rahu/Ketu in Ketu/Rahu, so > the influence of Mars 6th/1st lord and the nodes don't give him a graceful > disposition but an enormous willpower. > Mars is having 0 points for the 2nd indicating some problems for this house > and others related to it. > He also seems to have big spending because of high points in the 12th > Some other question arose > What is the reasoning behind the fact that Sun in the 3th Rashi and > dreshkona gives 2 mothers ???????? > All feed back is welcome. Thanks for posting this mail Krushna > Best regards > Margarita > > > > krushna jugalkalani [krushanain] > Friday, May 30, 2003 8:43 PM > > Re: Karak - Degrees > > Dear Ash and list members, > Here is a chart. D.O.B. 30th Jan 1949. > B.T. 02 30 AM at Pune 18N38, 073E53 India (GMT +5.5) > See the degree of Saturn. In work sheet the > Saturn is powerful. (even reducing the points of Mars > sixth lord) In 6 D charts our of 16 D charts, it is > situated in 10th house. So his business could be > related to Land, Mining, Oil, Kerosine, etc. > He is having Petrol Pump, Kerosine dealership, > Stone Quarry, and Stone Crushing industry. > At present he is running Rahu sub in Saturn > Main. He is facing problem in partnership. Sun in 3rd > house again in Dreshkone it is in 3rd house, So he > should have min 2 Mothers. ( he is having 3 mothers ) > His partner is his step brother. > I have told him he have to divide his ancestor > property with his brother. He will have tension and > unneccesary allegations in the current period. He may > get cheated in the present period. > Similar things happened in this period. Now he > have to divide his ancestor property. He will get some > relief after 1st of Sept.03, Matter will continue upto > March 05. > This result I have given based on the degree > of the Saturn, Mars, Venus., Dasha, Work sheet. > This result I have given him some one and half > year back. He had been to me for asking the date of > marriage of his sceond son. At that time casually he > asked me about his chart. > Yesterday again he had been to me, and told me > his step brother had with drawn about Rs 1,50,00,000 > (say $3,00,000) from bank account with out his > knowledge. This happened in last 3/4 years. > The inportance of degrees of a planet is much > helpful in judgement of the quontam of the result. > >From the work sheet, we can easily say there must be > some problem for 2nd house result in the current > period. ( this can be only with Krushna's Ayanansha ) > krushna > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji, > > In an old discussion you had with Sanjay here is > another interesting > point I wanted to know more about. Sorry for digging > up all these > awesome discussions you have had but I am not clear on > this point. > Can you just try to give just an example it may be > hypothetical so > that I understand exactly what you have meant. > > This is the part I have not understood rather would > like to get an > example if possible. > > You said > > " Mainly the degrees of the karak > planet is considered for finding the quontam of the > result. > When the natural karak planet is situated in it's > relative place, > with more points it enhances the results. " > > And the mail is this one just for your reference. > > /message/1078 > > I do not know if Sanjay is still reading these mails > but he really > asked some very brilliant questions. > > Krushnaji, when you get some free time can you tell a > little more on > this phenemon. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 Yes Ash, you are completely right. I was also working on this chart with other ayanamsa when your mail came in so I stopped as you did the job. I will go through your comments in more detail to morrow but indeed I realize that a whole new field of knowledge has to be explored Best regards Margarita -----Original Message----- ashsam73 [ashsam73] Saturday, May 31, 2003 9:45 PM To: Subject: Re: Karak - Degrees Dear Margarita, This was my understand and again I may be off target. Only with Krushnas ayanamsa we get position of Shani at 12deg25 in Leo, Venus at 28deg29 and Mars at 27deg40. Once you get these positions then this will take these planets in particular house in Shodaamsa's or 16 divisional charts. With lahiri I tried this to see how Shani changes houses in Shodamsa and Shani was not in 6 places in 10th house at all. Only with Krushnas ayanamsa we got Shani going into 6 divisional charts in 10th house. I think this is the basis of Nadi. And if you remember quite recently I had post on once what Krushnji had said to some nadi rising in ascendent when rectifying a chart. I think this was what was meant. When 1 nadi changes a planet has changed position in Shodamsa. This is my basic understanding. So only with Krushnas ayanamsa you can get a particular Nadi which in turn gives us the quantum. A nakshatra spans for 3deg20 mins but a nadi is far smaller. I think a sign has 150 nadis so 12 signs or house will have 12*150 nadis. So I think we are going in far deeper than just nakshatras here and Krushnas ayanasma takes us accurately to pin point the correct Nadi. I hope I am on the right track with my thinking. I hope Krushnaji corrects my (mis)understanding. I think this mail is an invitation to us to dwelve in deeper into the system. he he he. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dmlettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Respected Krushna, Ash and listmembers, > This becomes a bit more complicated and I could never have predicted what > Krushna predicted although I get some glimpses of the reasoning. > The key of the problem is the position of Saturn in 12°25 Leo, Venus at > 28°29 and Mars at 27°40. If this positions have something particular then > we have to know more about it. I know about a book of K.T. Shubhakaran who > describes positions of planets in particular degrees of nakshatras but then > we have to take into account Krushna's ayanamsa if we want to be accurate. I > don't remember that anything was said about the ayanamsa used. I would be > grateful to get some more information about that please. > On a more general level, one could predict frictions and difficulties with > brothers or associates. The four planets in the 3th house boost his 1st were > he gets 43 points so he is not inclined to accept other people's advice. > Moon/Mars/Mercury are in Mars nakshatra; Saturn/Rahu/Ketu in Ketu/Rahu, so > the influence of Mars 6th/1st lord and the nodes don't give him a graceful > disposition but an enormous willpower. > Mars is having 0 points for the 2nd indicating some problems for this house > and others related to it. > He also seems to have big spending because of high points in the 12th > Some other question arose > What is the reasoning behind the fact that Sun in the 3th Rashi and > dreshkona gives 2 mothers ???????? > All feed back is welcome. Thanks for posting this mail Krushna > Best regards > Margarita > > > > krushna jugalkalani [krushanain] > Friday, May 30, 2003 8:43 PM > > Re: Karak - Degrees > > Dear Ash and list members, > Here is a chart. D.O.B. 30th Jan 1949. > B.T. 02 30 AM at Pune 18N38, 073E53 India (GMT +5.5) > See the degree of Saturn. In work sheet the > Saturn is powerful. (even reducing the points of Mars > sixth lord) In 6 D charts our of 16 D charts, it is > situated in 10th house. So his business could be > related to Land, Mining, Oil, Kerosine, etc. > He is having Petrol Pump, Kerosine dealership, > Stone Quarry, and Stone Crushing industry. > At present he is running Rahu sub in Saturn > Main. He is facing problem in partnership. Sun in 3rd > house again in Dreshkone it is in 3rd house, So he > should have min 2 Mothers. ( he is having 3 mothers ) > His partner is his step brother. > I have told him he have to divide his ancestor > property with his brother. He will have tension and > unneccesary allegations in the current period. He may > get cheated in the present period. > Similar things happened in this period. Now he > have to divide his ancestor property. He will get some > relief after 1st of Sept.03, Matter will continue upto > March 05. > This result I have given based on the degree > of the Saturn, Mars, Venus., Dasha, Work sheet. > This result I have given him some one and half > year back. He had been to me for asking the date of > marriage of his sceond son. At that time casually he > asked me about his chart. > Yesterday again he had been to me, and told me > his step brother had with drawn about Rs 1,50,00,000 > (say $3,00,000) from bank account with out his > knowledge. This happened in last 3/4 years. > The inportance of degrees of a planet is much > helpful in judgement of the quontam of the result. > >From the work sheet, we can easily say there must be > some problem for 2nd house result in the current > period. ( this can be only with Krushna's Ayanansha ) > krushna > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji, > > In an old discussion you had with Sanjay here is > another interesting > point I wanted to know more about. Sorry for digging > up all these > awesome discussions you have had but I am not clear on > this point. > Can you just try to give just an example it may be > hypothetical so > that I understand exactly what you have meant. > > This is the part I have not understood rather would > like to get an > example if possible. > > You said > > " Mainly the degrees of the karak > planet is considered for finding the quontam of the > result. > When the natural karak planet is situated in it's > relative place, > with more points it enhances the results. " > > And the mail is this one just for your reference. > > /message/1078 > > I do not know if Sanjay is still reading these mails > but he really > asked some very brilliant questions. > > Krushnaji, when you get some free time can you tell a > little more on > this phenemon. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 Dear Ash, Margarita, and list members, Ash have asked me about Karak Degree, and one day before I received this chart. The mahadasha Swami is Karak. So the result are as per the karak in the sub period. 10 th house is 2nd of 9th. Saturn FK for 9th. Situated in 10th. Rahu in 6th, represents sixth lord, and Planet in 2nd. Partnership = 7th. Sub of Rahu in 6th. These are main points with some other points. Here we apply the laws of vedic astrology. Sun in third can give two mothers, only if it is in dreshkona chart also in 3rd house. Saturn in 10th can not give mining. but if it is in atleast 4 to 5 d charts in 10th house can represents income from mining. For Example Mercury in fifth is said to be good love life and happy married life. it can not be the case every time. But if Mercury is in perticular degree and is in 4 d charts in 5th house atleast, can give such result. For this portion I have to give more detail lessons. Time is not permitting me. Now it is 2:20 Am. Just returned at about 1:30 from my site. Opened the site, found more questions. So tried to answer in short. Ofcource I am tired now. Innitially I thought to answer tomorrow, but I came to know my tomorrow never comes. So many times I promised Ash, that I will answer tomorrow, and it goes in pending work. So tryed to answer in short, today only. krushna , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and List members, > > Whoa !!! and WOW !!! thats what came out of my mouth when I read > this email... lol.. and let me second Margarita in telling you thanks > for posting this email. > This is a pretty heavy and loaded emai which is going to take me some > time to decode and figure out how you came to each prediction.. but > then Krushnaji you must have > known that there would be a milllion questions coming at you > especially from me.. ha ha ha .. > > This email is very very interesting and will help us go deeper into > this system especially with divisional charts. I think now I get > some faint idea of what you > mean by Degrees. You have meant at a planet in a particular degree > means its reflections in ALL the 16 divisional charts. I think in an > old email I had asked about > Nadi and I think (not sure) this is what you must have meant. > > Now just to skim the surface when you say degree of Saturn and as > Margarita has pointed out is 12Le25. This particular degree with > KRUSHNA'S AYANAMSA ONLY would take Shani in 6 divisions to > 10th house. I checked with Lahiri and I did not get Shani in 6 > places in Shodamsa. So Krushnas ayanamsa is very accurate. > > Margarita, I think Krushnaji means that with only these particular > degrees in Rasi would places these planets in a particular house only > in Shodamsa. With Krushas ayanamsa we come to placement of planets > accurately in Rasi which automatically reflects into the Shodamsa. > > I am going to ask my questions below yours. > > Dear Ash and list members, > Here is a chart. D.O.B. 30th Jan 1949. > B.T. 02 30 AM at Pune 18N38, 073E53 India (GMT +5.5) > See the degree of Saturn. In work sheet the > Saturn is powerful. (even reducing the points of Mars > sixth lord) > > Ash : Yes, Shani is powerful in worksheet for all houses. Shani is > FK for 8th and 9th house and NK for 3rd and 4th house. > > In 6 D charts our of 16 D charts, it is > situated in 10th house. So his business could be > related to Land, Mining, Oil, Kerosine, etc. > He is having Petrol Pump, Kerosine dealership, > Stone Quarry, and Stone Crushing industry. > > Ash : Yes, ONLY with Krushnas ayanamsa you get this particular > position of Shani in 6 divisional charts out of Shodamsa in 10th > house. > > At present he is running Rahu sub in Saturn > Main. He is facing problem in partnership. > > Ash : Rahu represents Mars. Its in 6th house in sign of Mars and > Nakshatra of Ketu and Ketu = Venus. So Rahu = Mars and Venus. > Problems in Partnership : Why ? What houses are you considering for > partnership ? > > For trouble with brother : 6th lord being placed in 3rd house gives > trouble with brother. Venus in in 12th from B = 3rd house with 6 > bindus will not be favourable to 3rd house. It also has 16 points in > worksheet for 3rd house so again more problems. Planets in 2nd house > with high bindus creates problems and bad deeds can be opened during > antra of such planet. Venus is FK for 5th and 12th house and NK for > 7th and 12th house. Venus is also LOE for 2nd house and 3rd house > and LOD for 7th and 10th. > > Recently Mars just finished its transit over Sagittarius and Mars has > NK for 1st and 6th and FK for 6th and 11th. So he would have faced > problems with respect to litigations or 6th house matters and income > related issues and on health too. > > Can you please confirm is I am on proper track Krushnaji. These > questions are very basic. > > > Krushnaji : Sun in 3rd house again in Dreshkone it is in 3rd house, > So he > should have min 2 Mothers. ( he is having 3 mothers ) > His partner is his step brother. > > Ash : Yes, like Margarita I think I am lost here to. I think we need > some more basics here before we can get into this level of deapth. > > Krushnaji : I have told him he have to divide his ancestor > property with his brother. He will have tension and > unneccesary allegations in the current period. He may > get cheated in the present period. > > Ash : How did you come to this conclusion Krushnaji or > someone " cheating " him ? This is very interesting. > Unecessary allegations I can understand as Venus is the culprit there > being in 2nd house with high bindus and in antra of such a planet > tentions and problems and toothaches etc come about and this is given > in lessons and in past discussions but how did you come to conclusion > of cheating. > > > Krushnaji : Similar things happened in this period. Now he > have to divide his ancestor property. He will get some > relief after 1st of Sept.03, Matter will continue upto > March 05. > > Ash : Timing, this is also interesting. See here too you have not > just taken 1st 1/3rd period but you have gone in deeper. This period > of Rahu commenced on > 05/04/2002 thru 09/02/2005. Now each 1/3rd sub is 11 months and 9 > days. So 1st 1/3rd part is from 05/04/2002 - 14/03/2003. You have > given that this person will receive some releif. So what technique > are you using here to come to these dates. > Another check I did was to compute TRANSIT POINTS and I did notice > something there. On September 1st 2003 his points jump up to over > 200. I shall give some points here in this mail. > > August 20, 2003 193 > August 21, 2003 193 > August 22, 2003 196 > August 23, 2003 196 > August 24, 2003 196 > August 25, 2003 188 > August 26, 2003 188 > August 27, 2003 195 > August 28, 2003 195 > August 29, 2003 197 > August 30, 2003 197 > August 31, 2003 204 > September 1, 2003 204 > September 2, 2003 211 > September 3, 2003 211 > September 4, 2003 211 > September 5, 2003 186 > September 6, 2003 184 > September 7, 2003 189 > September 8, 2003 189. > > > Is this how you have considered or is there something else that you > have also considered to come to that date of 1st September. The > second part of you stating that these troubles will last till March > 2005 is understood as thats when Rahus antra ends and Gurus antra > starts. But then Guru again is 2nd lord so there again might be > periods of unnecessary worries and tentions ? Am I on proper track. > Need some more guidance with respect to Timing of this event. > > > Krushnaji : This result I have given based on the degree > of the Saturn, Mars, Venus., Dasha, Work sheet. > > Ash : > Shani is FK for 8th and 9th house matters > Venus is FK for 5th and 12th house matters > Mars is FK for 11th and 6th house matters > > In the current period Rahu = Mars and Venus. I am sorry I still do > not understand how you clued in on Shani ? > > Krushnaji : This result I have given him some one and half > year back. He had been to me for asking the date of > marriage of his sceond son. At that time casually he > asked me about his chart. > Yesterday again he had been to me, and told me > his step brother had with drawn about Rs 1,50,00,000 > (say $3,00,000) from bank account with out his > knowledge. This happened in last 3/4 years. > > Ash : This is really amazing. Krushnaji, I have a suggestion that in > future you can also give more posts on some of your successful > predictions so that we can figure out how you arrived at that. This > will make us even think more and get thoughts churning and will take > us more deeper into this system. With this post its really opened my > eyes atleast that we have just " Touched " the tip of the iceberg in > this system and we have so much more to learn. Thank you again for > teaching and bearing with us slow learners. :=). > > Krushnaji : The inportance of degrees of a planet is much > helpful in judgement of the quontam of the result. > > Ash : Krushanji, I am so sorry to ask you but what exactly do you > mean by Quantum. Do you like level for example if someone makes > money as income then " Quantum " could mean " how much " . So someone > could make Rs 100 a day and someone may make Rs 10,000 a day. Is > that what you mean by Quantum ? > > > Krushnaji : From the work sheet, we can easily say there must be > some problem for 2nd house result in the current > period. ( this can be only with Krushna's Ayanansha ) > > Ash : If this chart came to me I may not have been able to predict > > krushna > > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , krushna jugalkalani > <krushanain> wrote: > > Dear Ash and list members, > > Here is a chart. D.O.B. 30th Jan 1949. > > B.T. 02 30 AM at Pune 18N38, 073E53 India (GMT +5.5) > > See the degree of Saturn. In work sheet the > > Saturn is powerful. (even reducing the points of Mars > > sixth lord) In 6 D charts our of 16 D charts, it is > > situated in 10th house. So his business could be > > related to Land, Mining, Oil, Kerosine, etc. > > He is having Petrol Pump, Kerosine dealership, > > Stone Quarry, and Stone Crushing industry. > > At present he is running Rahu sub in Saturn > > Main. He is facing problem in partnership. Sun in 3rd > > house again in Dreshkone it is in 3rd house, So he > > should have min 2 Mothers. ( he is having 3 mothers ) > > His partner is his step brother. > > I have told him he have to divide his ancestor > > property with his brother. He will have tension and > > unneccesary allegations in the current period. He may > > get cheated in the present period. > > Similar things happened in this period. Now he > > have to divide his ancestor property. He will get some > > relief after 1st of Sept.03, Matter will continue upto > > March 05. > > This result I have given based on the degree > > of the Saturn, Mars, Venus., Dasha, Work sheet. > > This result I have given him some one and half > > year back. He had been to me for asking the date of > > marriage of his sceond son. At that time casually he > > asked me about his chart. > > Yesterday again he had been to me, and told me > > his step brother had with drawn about Rs 1,50,00,000 > > (say $3,00,000) from bank account with out his > > knowledge. This happened in last 3/4 years. > > The inportance of degrees of a planet is much > > helpful in judgement of the quontam of the result. > > From the work sheet, we can easily say there must be > > some problem for 2nd house result in the current > > period. ( this can be only with Krushna's Ayanansha ) > > krushna > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, > > > > In an old discussion you had with Sanjay here is > > another interesting > > point I wanted to know more about. Sorry for digging > > up all these > > awesome discussions you have had but I am not clear on > > this point. > > Can you just try to give just an example it may be > > hypothetical so > > that I understand exactly what you have meant. > > > > This is the part I have not understood rather would > > like to get an > > example if possible. > > > > You said > > > > " Mainly the degrees of the karak > > planet is considered for finding the quontam of the > > result. > > When the natural karak planet is situated in it's > > relative place, > > with more points it enhances the results. " > > > > And the mail is this one just for your reference. > > > > /message/1078 > > > > I do not know if Sanjay is still reading these mails > > but he really > > asked some very brilliant questions. > > > > Krushnaji, when you get some free time can you tell a > > little more on > > this phenemon. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 Dear Krushnaji, Pranam, Thank you for taking time to write such late at night. When you get some spare time can you explain about how you came to that timing of relief of after September 1st 2003. I am curious about that. Other parts I am still thinking over, thanks for giving more clues. If there is some part I do not understand I shall ask again. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " krushanain " <krushanain> wrote: > Dear Ash, Margarita, and list members, > Ash have asked me about Karak Degree, and one day before I > received this chart. The mahadasha Swami is Karak. So the result are > as per the karak in the sub period. > 10 th house is 2nd of 9th. Saturn FK for 9th. Situated in > 10th. Rahu in 6th, represents sixth lord, and Planet in 2nd. > Partnership = 7th. Sub of Rahu in 6th. > These are main points with some other points. > > Here we apply the laws of vedic astrology. Sun in third can > give two mothers, only if it is in dreshkona chart also in 3rd house. > Saturn in 10th can not give mining. but if it is in atleast > 4 to 5 d charts in 10th house can represents income from mining. > > For Example Mercury in fifth is said to be good love life > and happy married life. it can not be the case every time. But if > Mercury is in perticular degree and is in 4 d charts in 5th house > atleast, can give such result. > For this portion I have to give more detail lessons. Time is > not permitting me. Now it is 2:20 Am. Just returned at about 1:30 > from my site. Opened the site, found more questions. So tried to > answer in short. Ofcource I am tired now. Innitially I thought to > answer tomorrow, but I came to know my tomorrow never comes. So many > times I promised Ash, that I will answer tomorrow, and it goes in > pending work. So tryed to answer in short, today only. > krushna > > > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and List members, > > > > Whoa !!! and WOW !!! thats what came out of my mouth when I read > > this email... lol.. and let me second Margarita in telling you > thanks > > for posting this email. > > This is a pretty heavy and loaded emai which is going to take me > some > > time to decode and figure out how you came to each prediction.. but > > then Krushnaji you must have > > known that there would be a milllion questions coming at you > > especially from me.. ha ha ha .. > > > > This email is very very interesting and will help us go deeper into > > this system especially with divisional charts. I think now I get > > some faint idea of what you > > mean by Degrees. You have meant at a planet in a particular degree > > means its reflections in ALL the 16 divisional charts. I think in > an > > old email I had asked about > > Nadi and I think (not sure) this is what you must have meant. > > > > Now just to skim the surface when you say degree of Saturn and as > > Margarita has pointed out is 12Le25. This particular degree with > > KRUSHNA'S AYANAMSA ONLY would take Shani in 6 divisions to > > 10th house. I checked with Lahiri and I did not get Shani in 6 > > places in Shodamsa. So Krushnas ayanamsa is very accurate. > > > > Margarita, I think Krushnaji means that with only these particular > > degrees in Rasi would places these planets in a particular house > only > > in Shodamsa. With Krushas ayanamsa we come to placement of planets > > accurately in Rasi which automatically reflects into the Shodamsa. > > > > I am going to ask my questions below yours. > > > > Dear Ash and list members, > > Here is a chart. D.O.B. 30th Jan 1949. > > B.T. 02 30 AM at Pune 18N38, 073E53 India (GMT +5.5) > > See the degree of Saturn. In work sheet the > > Saturn is powerful. (even reducing the points of Mars > > sixth lord) > > > > Ash : Yes, Shani is powerful in worksheet for all houses. Shani is > > FK for 8th and 9th house and NK for 3rd and 4th house. > > > > In 6 D charts our of 16 D charts, it is > > situated in 10th house. So his business could be > > related to Land, Mining, Oil, Kerosine, etc. > > He is having Petrol Pump, Kerosine dealership, > > Stone Quarry, and Stone Crushing industry. > > > > Ash : Yes, ONLY with Krushnas ayanamsa you get this particular > > position of Shani in 6 divisional charts out of Shodamsa in 10th > > house. > > > > At present he is running Rahu sub in Saturn > > Main. He is facing problem in partnership. > > > > Ash : Rahu represents Mars. Its in 6th house in sign of Mars and > > Nakshatra of Ketu and Ketu = Venus. So Rahu = Mars and Venus. > > Problems in Partnership : Why ? What houses are you considering > for > > partnership ? > > > > For trouble with brother : 6th lord being placed in 3rd house gives > > trouble with brother. Venus in in 12th from B = 3rd house with 6 > > bindus will not be favourable to 3rd house. It also has 16 points > in > > worksheet for 3rd house so again more problems. Planets in 2nd > house > > with high bindus creates problems and bad deeds can be opened > during > > antra of such planet. Venus is FK for 5th and 12th house and NK > for > > 7th and 12th house. Venus is also LOE for 2nd house and 3rd house > > and LOD for 7th and 10th. > > > > Recently Mars just finished its transit over Sagittarius and Mars > has > > NK for 1st and 6th and FK for 6th and 11th. So he would have faced > > problems with respect to litigations or 6th house matters and > income > > related issues and on health too. > > > > Can you please confirm is I am on proper track Krushnaji. These > > questions are very basic. > > > > > > Krushnaji : Sun in 3rd house again in Dreshkone it is in 3rd house, > > So he > > should have min 2 Mothers. ( he is having 3 mothers ) > > His partner is his step brother. > > > > Ash : Yes, like Margarita I think I am lost here to. I think we > need > > some more basics here before we can get into this level of deapth. > > > > Krushnaji : I have told him he have to divide his ancestor > > property with his brother. He will have tension and > > unneccesary allegations in the current period. He may > > get cheated in the present period. > > > > Ash : How did you come to this conclusion Krushnaji or > > someone " cheating " him ? This is very interesting. > > Unecessary allegations I can understand as Venus is the culprit > there > > being in 2nd house with high bindus and in antra of such a planet > > tentions and problems and toothaches etc come about and this is > given > > in lessons and in past discussions but how did you come to > conclusion > > of cheating. > > > > > > Krushnaji : Similar things happened in this period. Now he > > have to divide his ancestor property. He will get some > > relief after 1st of Sept.03, Matter will continue upto > > March 05. > > > > Ash : Timing, this is also interesting. See here too you have not > > just taken 1st 1/3rd period but you have gone in deeper. This > period > > of Rahu commenced on > > 05/04/2002 thru 09/02/2005. Now each 1/3rd sub is 11 months and 9 > > days. So 1st 1/3rd part is from 05/04/2002 - 14/03/2003. You have > > given that this person will receive some releif. So what technique > > are you using here to come to these dates. > > Another check I did was to compute TRANSIT POINTS and I did notice > > something there. On September 1st 2003 his points jump up to over > > 200. I shall give some points here in this mail. > > > > August 20, 2003 193 > > August 21, 2003 193 > > August 22, 2003 196 > > August 23, 2003 196 > > August 24, 2003 196 > > August 25, 2003 188 > > August 26, 2003 188 > > August 27, 2003 195 > > August 28, 2003 195 > > August 29, 2003 197 > > August 30, 2003 197 > > August 31, 2003 204 > > September 1, 2003 204 > > September 2, 2003 211 > > September 3, 2003 211 > > September 4, 2003 211 > > September 5, 2003 186 > > September 6, 2003 184 > > September 7, 2003 189 > > September 8, 2003 189. > > > > > > Is this how you have considered or is there something else that you > > have also considered to come to that date of 1st September. The > > second part of you stating that these troubles will last till March > > 2005 is understood as thats when Rahus antra ends and Gurus antra > > starts. But then Guru again is 2nd lord so there again might be > > periods of unnecessary worries and tentions ? Am I on proper > track. > > Need some more guidance with respect to Timing of this event. > > > > > > Krushnaji : This result I have given based on the degree > > of the Saturn, Mars, Venus., Dasha, Work sheet. > > > > Ash : > > Shani is FK for 8th and 9th house matters > > Venus is FK for 5th and 12th house matters > > Mars is FK for 11th and 6th house matters > > > > In the current period Rahu = Mars and Venus. I am sorry I still do > > not understand how you clued in on Shani ? > > > > Krushnaji : This result I have given him some one and half > > year back. He had been to me for asking the date of > > marriage of his sceond son. At that time casually he > > asked me about his chart. > > Yesterday again he had been to me, and told me > > his step brother had with drawn about Rs 1,50,00,000 > > (say $3,00,000) from bank account with out his > > knowledge. This happened in last 3/4 years. > > > > Ash : This is really amazing. Krushnaji, I have a suggestion that > in > > future you can also give more posts on some of your successful > > predictions so that we can figure out how you arrived at that. > This > > will make us even think more and get thoughts churning and will > take > > us more deeper into this system. With this post its really opened > my > > eyes atleast that we have just " Touched " the tip of the iceberg in > > this system and we have so much more to learn. Thank you again for > > teaching and bearing with us slow learners. :=). > > > > Krushnaji : The inportance of degrees of a planet is much > > helpful in judgement of the quontam of the result. > > > > Ash : Krushanji, I am so sorry to ask you but what exactly do you > > mean by Quantum. Do you like level for example if someone makes > > money as income then " Quantum " could mean " how much " . So someone > > could make Rs 100 a day and someone may make Rs 10,000 a day. Is > > that what you mean by Quantum ? > > > > > > Krushnaji : From the work sheet, we can easily say there must be > > some problem for 2nd house result in the current > > period. ( this can be only with Krushna's Ayanansha ) > > > > Ash : If this chart came to me I may not have been able to predict > > > > krushna > > > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , krushna > jugalkalani > > <krushanain> wrote: > > > Dear Ash and list members, > > > Here is a chart. D.O.B. 30th Jan 1949. > > > B.T. 02 30 AM at Pune 18N38, 073E53 India (GMT +5.5) > > > See the degree of Saturn. In work sheet the > > > Saturn is powerful. (even reducing the points of Mars > > > sixth lord) In 6 D charts our of 16 D charts, it is > > > situated in 10th house. So his business could be > > > related to Land, Mining, Oil, Kerosine, etc. > > > He is having Petrol Pump, Kerosine dealership, > > > Stone Quarry, and Stone Crushing industry. > > > At present he is running Rahu sub in Saturn > > > Main. He is facing problem in partnership. Sun in 3rd > > > house again in Dreshkone it is in 3rd house, So he > > > should have min 2 Mothers. ( he is having 3 mothers ) > > > His partner is his step brother. > > > I have told him he have to divide his ancestor > > > property with his brother. He will have tension and > > > unneccesary allegations in the current period. He may > > > get cheated in the present period. > > > Similar things happened in this period. Now he > > > have to divide his ancestor property. He will get some > > > relief after 1st of Sept.03, Matter will continue upto > > > March 05. > > > This result I have given based on the degree > > > of the Saturn, Mars, Venus., Dasha, Work sheet. > > > This result I have given him some one and half > > > year back. He had been to me for asking the date of > > > marriage of his sceond son. At that time casually he > > > asked me about his chart. > > > Yesterday again he had been to me, and told me > > > his step brother had with drawn about Rs 1,50,00,000 > > > (say $3,00,000) from bank account with out his > > > knowledge. This happened in last 3/4 years. > > > The inportance of degrees of a planet is much > > > helpful in judgement of the quontam of the result. > > > From the work sheet, we can easily say there must be > > > some problem for 2nd house result in the current > > > period. ( this can be only with Krushna's Ayanansha ) > > > krushna > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, > > > > > > In an old discussion you had with Sanjay here is > > > another interesting > > > point I wanted to know more about. Sorry for digging > > > up all these > > > awesome discussions you have had but I am not clear on > > > this point. > > > Can you just try to give just an example it may be > > > hypothetical so > > > that I understand exactly what you have meant. > > > > > > This is the part I have not understood rather would > > > like to get an > > > example if possible. > > > > > > You said > > > > > > " Mainly the degrees of the karak > > > planet is considered for finding the quontam of the > > > result. > > > When the natural karak planet is situated in it's > > > relative place, > > > with more points it enhances the results. " > > > > > > And the mail is this one just for your reference. > > > > > > > /message/1078 > > > > > > I do not know if Sanjay is still reading these mails > > > but he really > > > asked some very brilliant questions. > > > > > > Krushnaji, when you get some free time can you tell a > > > little more on > > > this phenemon. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Dear Krushna, Ash and friends, Krushna's mail forced to think that, we can utilise the divisional charts for finding which planet would be predominantly give its results depending its house placements. Then present perceived theory by a section of astrologers that, each division chart stands to represent a definite area in life loose little credentials. I wonder whether anybody have tried to cast a bhava chart considering planetary placements in 16 divisional charts and derived any results which matches more with life events for large number of database. Again would it be more effective if one take AV points for all houses in 16 d charts independently and add up, and divide it by16. And the Average points derived shall be taken into account for further prediction.......so on........ With advent of computer programs of advance nature such cross checking could be possible provided one can dedicate and persists without loosing hearts. It is true birth time should be very accurate which would be used for research works.. regards, Rajashri. - krushanain Sunday, June 01, 2003 2:27 AM Re: Karak - Degrees Dear Ash, Margarita, and list members, Ash have asked me about Karak Degree, and one day before I received this chart. The mahadasha Swami is Karak. So the result are as per the karak in the sub period. 10 th house is 2nd of 9th. Saturn FK for 9th. Situated in 10th. Rahu in 6th, represents sixth lord, and Planet in 2nd. Partnership = 7th. Sub of Rahu in 6th. These are main points with some other points. Here we apply the laws of vedic astrology. Sun in third can give two mothers, only if it is in dreshkona chart also in 3rd house. Saturn in 10th can not give mining. but if it is in atleast 4 to 5 d charts in 10th house can represents income from mining. For Example Mercury in fifth is said to be good love life and happy married life. it can not be the case every time. But if Mercury is in perticular degree and is in 4 d charts in 5th house atleast, can give such result. For this portion I have to give more detail lessons. Time is not permitting me. Now it is 2:20 Am. Just returned at about 1:30 from my site. Opened the site, found more questions. So tried to answer in short. Ofcource I am tired now. Innitially I thought to answer tomorrow, but I came to know my tomorrow never comes. So many times I promised Ash, that I will answer tomorrow, and it goes in pending work. So tryed to answer in short, today only.krushna , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...> wrote:> Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and List members,> > Whoa !!! and WOW !!! thats what came out of my mouth when I read > this email... lol.. and let me second Margarita in telling you thanks > for posting this email.> This is a pretty heavy and loaded emai which is going to take me some > time to decode and figure out how you came to each prediction.. but > then Krushnaji you must have> known that there would be a milllion questions coming at you > especially from me.. ha ha ha ..> > This email is very very interesting and will help us go deeper into > this system especially with divisional charts. I think now I get > some faint idea of what you > mean by Degrees. You have meant at a planet in a particular degree > means its reflections in ALL the 16 divisional charts. I think in an > old email I had asked about> Nadi and I think (not sure) this is what you must have meant.> > Now just to skim the surface when you say degree of Saturn and as > Margarita has pointed out is 12Le25. This particular degree with > KRUSHNA'S AYANAMSA ONLY would take Shani in 6 divisions to > 10th house. I checked with Lahiri and I did not get Shani in 6 > places in Shodamsa. So Krushnas ayanamsa is very accurate.> > Margarita, I think Krushnaji means that with only these particular > degrees in Rasi would places these planets in a particular house only > in Shodamsa. With Krushas ayanamsa we come to placement of planets > accurately in Rasi which automatically reflects into the Shodamsa.> > I am going to ask my questions below yours.> > Dear Ash and list members,> Here is a chart. D.O.B. 30th Jan 1949. > B.T. 02 30 AM at Pune 18N38, 073E53 India (GMT +5.5)> See the degree of Saturn. In work sheet the> Saturn is powerful. (even reducing the points of Mars> sixth lord)> > Ash : Yes, Shani is powerful in worksheet for all houses. Shani is > FK for 8th and 9th house and NK for 3rd and 4th house.> > In 6 D charts our of 16 D charts, it is> situated in 10th house. So his business could be> related to Land, Mining, Oil, Kerosine, etc. > He is having Petrol Pump, Kerosine dealership,> Stone Quarry, and Stone Crushing industry.> > Ash : Yes, ONLY with Krushnas ayanamsa you get this particular > position of Shani in 6 divisional charts out of Shodamsa in 10th > house. > > At present he is running Rahu sub in Saturn> Main. He is facing problem in partnership. > > Ash : Rahu represents Mars. Its in 6th house in sign of Mars and > Nakshatra of Ketu and Ketu = Venus. So Rahu = Mars and Venus.> Problems in Partnership : Why ? What houses are you considering for > partnership ?> > For trouble with brother : 6th lord being placed in 3rd house gives > trouble with brother. Venus in in 12th from B = 3rd house with 6 > bindus will not be favourable to 3rd house. It also has 16 points in > worksheet for 3rd house so again more problems. Planets in 2nd house > with high bindus creates problems and bad deeds can be opened during > antra of such planet. Venus is FK for 5th and 12th house and NK for > 7th and 12th house. Venus is also LOE for 2nd house and 3rd house > and LOD for 7th and 10th.> > Recently Mars just finished its transit over Sagittarius and Mars has > NK for 1st and 6th and FK for 6th and 11th. So he would have faced > problems with respect to litigations or 6th house matters and income > related issues and on health too.> > Can you please confirm is I am on proper track Krushnaji. These > questions are very basic.> > > Krushnaji : Sun in 3rd house again in Dreshkone it is in 3rd house, > So he> should have min 2 Mothers. ( he is having 3 mothers )> His partner is his step brother. > > Ash : Yes, like Margarita I think I am lost here to. I think we need > some more basics here before we can get into this level of deapth.> > Krushnaji : I have told him he have to divide his ancestor> property with his brother. He will have tension and> unneccesary allegations in the current period. He may> get cheated in the present period. > > Ash : How did you come to this conclusion Krushnaji or > someone "cheating" him ? This is very interesting.> Unecessary allegations I can understand as Venus is the culprit there > being in 2nd house with high bindus and in antra of such a planet > tentions and problems and toothaches etc come about and this is given > in lessons and in past discussions but how did you come to conclusion > of cheating.> > > Krushnaji : Similar things happened in this period. Now he> have to divide his ancestor property. He will get some> relief after 1st of Sept.03, Matter will continue upto> March 05. > > Ash : Timing, this is also interesting. See here too you have not > just taken 1st 1/3rd period but you have gone in deeper. This period > of Rahu commenced on > 05/04/2002 thru 09/02/2005. Now each 1/3rd sub is 11 months and 9 > days. So 1st 1/3rd part is from 05/04/2002 - 14/03/2003. You have > given that this person will receive some releif. So what technique > are you using here to come to these dates.> Another check I did was to compute TRANSIT POINTS and I did notice > something there. On September 1st 2003 his points jump up to over > 200. I shall give some points here in this mail.> > August 20, 2003 193 > August 21, 2003 193 > August 22, 2003 196 > August 23, 2003 196 > August 24, 2003 196 > August 25, 2003 188 > August 26, 2003 188 > August 27, 2003 195 > August 28, 2003 195 > August 29, 2003 197 > August 30, 2003 197 > August 31, 2003 204 > September 1, 2003 204 > September 2, 2003 211 > September 3, 2003 211 > September 4, 2003 211 > September 5, 2003 186 > September 6, 2003 184 > September 7, 2003 189 > September 8, 2003 189.> > > Is this how you have considered or is there something else that you > have also considered to come to that date of 1st September. The > second part of you stating that these troubles will last till March > 2005 is understood as thats when Rahus antra ends and Gurus antra > starts. But then Guru again is 2nd lord so there again might be > periods of unnecessary worries and tentions ? Am I on proper track. > Need some more guidance with respect to Timing of this event.> > > Krushnaji : This result I have given based on the degree> of the Saturn, Mars, Venus., Dasha, Work sheet.> > Ash :> Shani is FK for 8th and 9th house matters> Venus is FK for 5th and 12th house matters> Mars is FK for 11th and 6th house matters> > In the current period Rahu = Mars and Venus. I am sorry I still do > not understand how you clued in on Shani ?> > Krushnaji : This result I have given him some one and half> year back. He had been to me for asking the date of> marriage of his sceond son. At that time casually he> asked me about his chart. > Yesterday again he had been to me, and told me> his step brother had with drawn about Rs 1,50,00,000> (say $3,00,000) from bank account with out his> knowledge. This happened in last 3/4 years. > > Ash : This is really amazing. Krushnaji, I have a suggestion that in > future you can also give more posts on some of your successful > predictions so that we can figure out how you arrived at that. This > will make us even think more and get thoughts churning and will take > us more deeper into this system. With this post its really opened my > eyes atleast that we have just "Touched" the tip of the iceberg in > this system and we have so much more to learn. Thank you again for > teaching and bearing with us slow learners. :=).> > Krushnaji : The inportance of degrees of a planet is much> helpful in judgement of the quontam of the result.> > Ash : Krushanji, I am so sorry to ask you but what exactly do you > mean by Quantum. Do you like level for example if someone makes > money as income then "Quantum" could mean "how much". So someone > could make Rs 100 a day and someone may make Rs 10,000 a day. Is > that what you mean by Quantum ? > > > Krushnaji : From the work sheet, we can easily say there must be> some problem for 2nd house result in the current> period. ( this can be only with Krushna's Ayanansha )> > Ash : If this chart came to me I may not have been able to predict > > krushna > > > Thanking you,> Cheers !!!> Ash> > > > , krushna jugalkalani > <krushanain> wrote:> > Dear Ash and list members,> > Here is a chart. D.O.B. 30th Jan 1949. > > B.T. 02 30 AM at Pune 18N38, 073E53 India (GMT +5.5)> > See the degree of Saturn. In work sheet the> > Saturn is powerful. (even reducing the points of Mars> > sixth lord) In 6 D charts our of 16 D charts, it is> > situated in 10th house. So his business could be> > related to Land, Mining, Oil, Kerosine, etc. > > He is having Petrol Pump, Kerosine dealership,> > Stone Quarry, and Stone Crushing industry.> > At present he is running Rahu sub in Saturn> > Main. He is facing problem in partnership. Sun in 3rd> > house again in Dreshkone it is in 3rd house, So he> > should have min 2 Mothers. ( he is having 3 mothers )> > His partner is his step brother. > > I have told him he have to divide his ancestor> > property with his brother. He will have tension and> > unneccesary allegations in the current period. He may> > get cheated in the present period. > > Similar things happened in this period. Now he> > have to divide his ancestor property. He will get some> > relief after 1st of Sept.03, Matter will continue upto> > March 05. > > This result I have given based on the degree> > of the Saturn, Mars, Venus., Dasha, Work sheet.> > This result I have given him some one and half> > year back. He had been to me for asking the date of> > marriage of his sceond son. At that time casually he> > asked me about his chart. > > Yesterday again he had been to me, and told me> > his step brother had with drawn about Rs 1,50,00,000> > (say $3,00,000) from bank account with out his> > knowledge. This happened in last 3/4 years. > > The inportance of degrees of a planet is much> > helpful in judgement of the quontam of the result.> > From the work sheet, we can easily say there must be> > some problem for 2nd house result in the current> > period. ( this can be only with Krushna's Ayanansha )> > krushna > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@h...> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Krushnaji,> > > > In an old discussion you had with Sanjay here is> > another interesting > > point I wanted to know more about. Sorry for digging> > up all these > > awesome discussions you have had but I am not clear on> > this point. > > Can you just try to give just an example it may be> > hypothetical so > > that I understand exactly what you have meant.> > > > This is the part I have not understood rather would> > like to get an > > example if possible.> > > > You said > > > > "Mainly the degrees of the karak > > planet is considered for finding the quontam of the> > result.> > When the natural karak planet is situated in it's> > relative place, > > with more points it enhances the results."> > > > And the mail is this one just for your reference.> > > > /message/1078> > > > I do not know if Sanjay is still reading these mails> > but he really > > asked some very brilliant questions.> > > > Krushnaji, when you get some free time can you tell a> > little more on > > this phenemon.> > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Dear Rajashri, Good to hear from you. I hear what you a are saying regarding research work but lets wait for an official lesson first and get proper direction. I had seen an old mail in the archives too wherein Krushnaji had mentioned w.r.t divisional charts. I beleive it was a discussion between Krushnaji and Sanjay. Krushnaji mentioned that in charts of big personality one would observe that if there are exalted planets in Rasi chart then you wound not find a lot of planets exalted in divisional charts as exalted grahas have malefic sight and 3 planets have 3 sights i.e. shani, guru and mangal. If you are going to do some research please do share the result it will benefit the group. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash , " Rajashri Naik " <rajaloli@h...> wrote: > Dear Krushna, Ash and friends, > > > Krushna's mail forced to think that, we can utilise the divisional charts for finding which planet would be predominantly give its results depending its house placements. > > Then present perceived theory by a section of astrologers that, each division chart stands to represent a definite area in life loose little credentials. > > I wonder whether anybody have tried to cast a bhava chart considering planetary placements in 16 divisional charts and derived any results which matches more with life events for large number of database. > > Again would it be more effective if one take AV points for all houses in 16 d charts independently and add up, and divide it by16. And the Average points derived shall be taken into account for further prediction.......so on........ > > With advent of computer programs of advance nature such cross checking could be possible provided one can dedicate and persists without loosing hearts. It is true birth time should be very accurate which would be used for research works.. > > regards, > > Rajashri. > > - > krushanain > > Sunday, June 01, 2003 2:27 AM > Re: Karak - Degrees > > > Dear Ash, Margarita, and list members, > Ash have asked me about Karak Degree, and one day before I > received this chart. The mahadasha Swami is Karak. So the result are > as per the karak in the sub period. > 10 th house is 2nd of 9th. Saturn FK for 9th. Situated in > 10th. Rahu in 6th, represents sixth lord, and Planet in 2nd. > Partnership = 7th. Sub of Rahu in 6th. > These are main points with some other points. > > Here we apply the laws of vedic astrology. Sun in third can > give two mothers, only if it is in dreshkona chart also in 3rd house. > Saturn in 10th can not give mining. but if it is in atleast > 4 to 5 d charts in 10th house can represents income from mining. > > For Example Mercury in fifth is said to be good love life > and happy married life. it can not be the case every time. But if > Mercury is in perticular degree and is in 4 d charts in 5th house > atleast, can give such result. > For this portion I have to give more detail lessons. Time is > not permitting me. Now it is 2:20 Am. Just returned at about 1:30 > from my site. Opened the site, found more questions. So tried to > answer in short. Ofcource I am tired now. Innitially I thought to > answer tomorrow, but I came to know my tomorrow never comes. So many > times I promised Ash, that I will answer tomorrow, and it goes in > pending work. So tryed to answer in short, today only. > krushna > > > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and List members, > > > > Whoa !!! and WOW !!! thats what came out of my mouth when I read > > this email... lol.. and let me second Margarita in telling you > thanks > > for posting this email. > > This is a pretty heavy and loaded emai which is going to take me > some > > time to decode and figure out how you came to each prediction.. but > > then Krushnaji you must have > > known that there would be a milllion questions coming at you > > especially from me.. ha ha ha .. > > > > This email is very very interesting and will help us go deeper into > > this system especially with divisional charts. I think now I get > > some faint idea of what you > > mean by Degrees. You have meant at a planet in a particular degree > > means its reflections in ALL the 16 divisional charts. I think in > an > > old email I had asked about > > Nadi and I think (not sure) this is what you must have meant. > > > > Now just to skim the surface when you say degree of Saturn and as > > Margarita has pointed out is 12Le25. This particular degree with > > KRUSHNA'S AYANAMSA ONLY would take Shani in 6 divisions to > > 10th house. I checked with Lahiri and I did not get Shani in 6 > > places in Shodamsa. So Krushnas ayanamsa is very accurate. > > > > Margarita, I think Krushnaji means that with only these particular > > degrees in Rasi would places these planets in a particular house > only > > in Shodamsa. With Krushas ayanamsa we come to placement of planets > > accurately in Rasi which automatically reflects into the Shodamsa. > > > > I am going to ask my questions below yours. > > > > Dear Ash and list members, > > Here is a chart. D.O.B. 30th Jan 1949. > > B.T. 02 30 AM at Pune 18N38, 073E53 India (GMT +5.5) > > See the degree of Saturn. In work sheet the > > Saturn is powerful. (even reducing the points of Mars > > sixth lord) > > > > Ash : Yes, Shani is powerful in worksheet for all houses. Shani is > > FK for 8th and 9th house and NK for 3rd and 4th house. > > > > In 6 D charts our of 16 D charts, it is > > situated in 10th house. So his business could be > > related to Land, Mining, Oil, Kerosine, etc. > > He is having Petrol Pump, Kerosine dealership, > > Stone Quarry, and Stone Crushing industry. > > > > Ash : Yes, ONLY with Krushnas ayanamsa you get this particular > > position of Shani in 6 divisional charts out of Shodamsa in 10th > > house. > > > > At present he is running Rahu sub in Saturn > > Main. He is facing problem in partnership. > > > > Ash : Rahu represents Mars. Its in 6th house in sign of Mars and > > Nakshatra of Ketu and Ketu = Venus. So Rahu = Mars and Venus. > > Problems in Partnership : Why ? What houses are you considering > for > > partnership ? > > > > For trouble with brother : 6th lord being placed in 3rd house gives > > trouble with brother. Venus in in 12th from B = 3rd house with 6 > > bindus will not be favourable to 3rd house. It also has 16 points > in > > worksheet for 3rd house so again more problems. Planets in 2nd > house > > with high bindus creates problems and bad deeds can be opened > during > > antra of such planet. Venus is FK for 5th and 12th house and NK > for > > 7th and 12th house. Venus is also LOE for 2nd house and 3rd house > > and LOD for 7th and 10th. > > > > Recently Mars just finished its transit over Sagittarius and Mars > has > > NK for 1st and 6th and FK for 6th and 11th. So he would have faced > > problems with respect to litigations or 6th house matters and > income > > related issues and on health too. > > > > Can you please confirm is I am on proper track Krushnaji. These > > questions are very basic. > > > > > > Krushnaji : Sun in 3rd house again in Dreshkone it is in 3rd house, > > So he > > should have min 2 Mothers. ( he is having 3 mothers ) > > His partner is his step brother. > > > > Ash : Yes, like Margarita I think I am lost here to. I think we > need > > some more basics here before we can get into this level of deapth. > > > > Krushnaji : I have told him he have to divide his ancestor > > property with his brother. He will have tension and > > unneccesary allegations in the current period. He may > > get cheated in the present period. > > > > Ash : How did you come to this conclusion Krushnaji or > > someone " cheating " him ? This is very interesting. > > Unecessary allegations I can understand as Venus is the culprit > there > > being in 2nd house with high bindus and in antra of such a planet > > tentions and problems and toothaches etc come about and this is > given > > in lessons and in past discussions but how did you come to > conclusion > > of cheating. > > > > > > Krushnaji : Similar things happened in this period. Now he > > have to divide his ancestor property. He will get some > > relief after 1st of Sept.03, Matter will continue upto > > March 05. > > > > Ash : Timing, this is also interesting. See here too you have not > > just taken 1st 1/3rd period but you have gone in deeper. This > period > > of Rahu commenced on > > 05/04/2002 thru 09/02/2005. Now each 1/3rd sub is 11 months and 9 > > days. So 1st 1/3rd part is from 05/04/2002 - 14/03/2003. You have > > given that this person will receive some releif. So what technique > > are you using here to come to these dates. > > Another check I did was to compute TRANSIT POINTS and I did notice > > something there. On September 1st 2003 his points jump up to over > > 200. I shall give some points here in this mail. > > > > August 20, 2003 193 > > August 21, 2003 193 > > August 22, 2003 196 > > August 23, 2003 196 > > August 24, 2003 196 > > August 25, 2003 188 > > August 26, 2003 188 > > August 27, 2003 195 > > August 28, 2003 195 > > August 29, 2003 197 > > August 30, 2003 197 > > August 31, 2003 204 > > September 1, 2003 204 > > September 2, 2003 211 > > September 3, 2003 211 > > September 4, 2003 211 > > September 5, 2003 186 > > September 6, 2003 184 > > September 7, 2003 189 > > September 8, 2003 189. > > > > > > Is this how you have considered or is there something else that you > > have also considered to come to that date of 1st September. The > > second part of you stating that these troubles will last till March > > 2005 is understood as thats when Rahus antra ends and Gurus antra > > starts. But then Guru again is 2nd lord so there again might be > > periods of unnecessary worries and tentions ? Am I on proper > track. > > Need some more guidance with respect to Timing of this event. > > > > > > Krushnaji : This result I have given based on the degree > > of the Saturn, Mars, Venus., Dasha, Work sheet. > > > > Ash : > > Shani is FK for 8th and 9th house matters > > Venus is FK for 5th and 12th house matters > > Mars is FK for 11th and 6th house matters > > > > In the current period Rahu = Mars and Venus. I am sorry I still do > > not understand how you clued in on Shani ? > > > > Krushnaji : This result I have given him some one and half > > year back. He had been to me for asking the date of > > marriage of his sceond son. At that time casually he > > asked me about his chart. > > Yesterday again he had been to me, and told me > > his step brother had with drawn about Rs 1,50,00,000 > > (say $3,00,000) from bank account with out his > > knowledge. This happened in last 3/4 years. > > > > Ash : This is really amazing. Krushnaji, I have a suggestion that > in > > future you can also give more posts on some of your successful > > predictions so that we can figure out how you arrived at that. > This > > will make us even think more and get thoughts churning and will > take > > us more deeper into this system. With this post its really opened > my > > eyes atleast that we have just " Touched " the tip of the iceberg in > > this system and we have so much more to learn. Thank you again for > > teaching and bearing with us slow learners. :=). > > > > Krushnaji : The inportance of degrees of a planet is much > > helpful in judgement of the quontam of the result. > > > > Ash : Krushanji, I am so sorry to ask you but what exactly do you > > mean by Quantum. Do you like level for example if someone makes > > money as income then " Quantum " could mean " how much " . So someone > > could make Rs 100 a day and someone may make Rs 10,000 a day. Is > > that what you mean by Quantum ? > > > > > > Krushnaji : From the work sheet, we can easily say there must be > > some problem for 2nd house result in the current > > period. ( this can be only with Krushna's Ayanansha ) > > > > Ash : If this chart came to me I may not have been able to predict > > > > krushna > > > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , krushna > jugalkalani > > <krushanain> wrote: > > > Dear Ash and list members, > > > Here is a chart. D.O.B. 30th Jan 1949. > > > B.T. 02 30 AM at Pune 18N38, 073E53 India (GMT +5.5) > > > See the degree of Saturn. In work sheet the > > > Saturn is powerful. (even reducing the points of Mars > > > sixth lord) In 6 D charts our of 16 D charts, it is > > > situated in 10th house. So his business could be > > > related to Land, Mining, Oil, Kerosine, etc. > > > He is having Petrol Pump, Kerosine dealership, > > > Stone Quarry, and Stone Crushing industry. > > > At present he is running Rahu sub in Saturn > > > Main. He is facing problem in partnership. Sun in 3rd > > > house again in Dreshkone it is in 3rd house, So he > > > should have min 2 Mothers. ( he is having 3 mothers ) > > > His partner is his step brother. > > > I have told him he have to divide his ancestor > > > property with his brother. He will have tension and > > > unneccesary allegations in the current period. He may > > > get cheated in the present period. > > > Similar things happened in this period. Now he > > > have to divide his ancestor property. He will get some > > > relief after 1st of Sept.03, Matter will continue upto > > > March 05. > > > This result I have given based on the degree > > > of the Saturn, Mars, Venus., Dasha, Work sheet. > > > This result I have given him some one and half > > > year back. He had been to me for asking the date of > > > marriage of his sceond son. At that time casually he > > > asked me about his chart. > > > Yesterday again he had been to me, and told me > > > his step brother had with drawn about Rs 1,50,00,000 > > > (say $3,00,000) from bank account with out his > > > knowledge. This happened in last 3/4 years. > > > The inportance of degrees of a planet is much > > > helpful in judgement of the quontam of the result. > > > From the work sheet, we can easily say there must be > > > some problem for 2nd house result in the current > > > period. ( this can be only with Krushna's Ayanansha ) > > > krushna > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, > > > > > > In an old discussion you had with Sanjay here is > > > another interesting > > > point I wanted to know more about. Sorry for digging > > > up all these > > > awesome discussions you have had but I am not clear on > > > this point. > > > Can you just try to give just an example it may be > > > hypothetical so > > > that I understand exactly what you have meant. > > > > > > This is the part I have not understood rather would > > > like to get an > > > example if possible. > > > > > > You said > > > > > > " Mainly the degrees of the karak > > > planet is considered for finding the quontam of the > > > result. > > > When the natural karak planet is situated in it's > > > relative place, > > > with more points it enhances the results. " > > > > > > And the mail is this one just for your reference. > > > > > > > /message/1078 > > > > > > I do not know if Sanjay is still reading these mails > > > but he really > > > asked some very brilliant questions. > > > > > > Krushnaji, when you get some free time can you tell a > > > little more on > > > this phenemon. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Hello Rajashri, Ash and listmembers, There was a mail about using the worksheet for the divisional charts. I will try to find it back. It was at the time Donna and Sanjay were making the worksheet but Krushna somehow didn’t use or trust it, probably because he figured everything out very quickly anyway. Then Donna insisted that he should try it and when he did, he and congratulated both and thanked them for their work saying that this worksheet could save so much time. He also stated that it could be used for the divisional chart but ONLY by using the basic strength of the planets, so no aspects or intervention from lords D and E. I haven’t done that up to now trying to figure out things from the rasi only. Best regards Margarita -----Original Message----- ashsam73 [ashsam73] Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Karak - Degrees Dear Rajashri, Good to hear from you. I hear what you a are saying regarding research work but lets wait for an official lesson first and get proper direction. I had seen an old mail in the archives too wherein Krushnaji had mentioned w.r.t divisional charts. I beleive it was a discussion between Krushnaji and Sanjay. Krushnaji mentioned that in charts of big personality one would observe that if there are exalted planets in Rasi chart then you wound not find a lot of planets exalted in divisional charts as exalted grahas have malefic sight and 3 planets have 3 sights i.e. shani, guru and mangal. If you are going to do some research please do share the result it will benefit the group. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash , " Rajashri Naik " <rajaloli@h...> wrote: > Dear Krushna, Ash and friends, > > > Krushna's mail forced to think that, we can utilise the divisional charts for finding which planet would be predominantly give its results depending its house placements. > > Then present perceived theory by a section of astrologers that, each division chart stands to represent a definite area in life loose little credentials. > > I wonder whether anybody have tried to cast a bhava chart considering planetary placements in 16 divisional charts and derived any results which matches more with life events for large number of database. > > Again would it be more effective if one take AV points for all houses in 16 d charts independently and add up, and divide it by16. And the Average points derived shall be taken into account for further prediction.......so on........ > > With advent of computer programs of advance nature such cross checking could be possible provided one can dedicate and persists without loosing hearts. It is true birth time should be very accurate which would be used for research works.. > > regards, > > Rajashri. > > - > krushanain > > Sunday, June 01, 2003 2:27 AM > Re: Karak - Degrees > > > Dear Ash, Margarita, and list members, > Ash have asked me about Karak Degree, and one day before I > received this chart. The mahadasha Swami is Karak. So the result are > as per the karak in the sub period. > 10 th house is 2nd of 9th. Saturn FK for 9th. Situated in > 10th. Rahu in 6th, represents sixth lord, and Planet in 2nd. > Partnership = 7th. Sub of Rahu in 6th. > These are main points with some other points. > > Here we apply the laws of vedic astrology. Sun in third can > give two mothers, only if it is in dreshkona chart also in 3rd house. > Saturn in 10th can not give mining. but if it is in atleast > 4 to 5 d charts in 10th house can represents income from mining. > > For Example Mercury in fifth is said to be good love life > and happy married life. it can not be the case every time. But if > Mercury is in perticular degree and is in 4 d charts in 5th house > atleast, can give such result. > For this portion I have to give more detail lessons. Time is > not permitting me. Now it is 2:20 Am. Just returned at about 1:30 > from my site. Opened the site, found more questions. So tried to > answer in short. Ofcource I am tired now. Innitially I thought to > answer tomorrow, but I came to know my tomorrow never comes. So many > times I promised Ash, that I will answer tomorrow, and it goes in > pending work. So tryed to answer in short, today only. > krushna > > > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and List members, > > > > Whoa !!! and WOW !!! thats what came out of my mouth when I read > > this email... lol.. and let me second Margarita in telling you > thanks > > for posting this email. > > This is a pretty heavy and loaded emai which is going to take me > some > > time to decode and figure out how you came to each prediction.. but > > then Krushnaji you must have > > known that there would be a milllion questions coming at you > > especially from me.. ha ha ha .. > > > > This email is very very interesting and will help us go deeper into > > this system especially with divisional charts. I think now I get > > some faint idea of what you > > mean by Degrees. You have meant at a planet in a particular degree > > means its reflections in ALL the 16 divisional charts. I think in > an > > old email I had asked about > > Nadi and I think (not sure) this is what you must have meant. > > > > Now just to skim the surface when you say degree of Saturn and as > > Margarita has pointed out is 12Le25. This particular degree with > > KRUSHNA'S AYANAMSA ONLY would take Shani in 6 divisions to > > 10th house. I checked with Lahiri and I did not get Shani in 6 > > places in Shodamsa. So Krushnas ayanamsa is very accurate. > > > > Margarita, I think Krushnaji means that with only these particular > > degrees in Rasi would places these planets in a particular house > only > > in Shodamsa. With Krushas ayanamsa we come to placement of planets > > accurately in Rasi which automatically reflects into the Shodamsa. > > > > I am going to ask my questions below yours. > > > > Dear Ash and list members, > > Here is a chart. D.O.B. 30th Jan 1949. > > B.T. 02 30 AM at Pune 18N38, 073E53 India (GMT +5.5) > > See the degree of Saturn. In work sheet the > > Saturn is powerful. (even reducing the points of Mars > > sixth lord) > > > > Ash : Yes, Shani is powerful in worksheet for all houses. Shani is > > FK for 8th and 9th house and NK for 3rd and 4th house. > > > > In 6 D charts our of 16 D charts, it is > > situated in 10th house. So his business could be > > related to Land, Mining, Oil, Kerosine, etc. > > He is having Petrol Pump, Kerosine dealership, > > Stone Quarry, and Stone Crushing industry. > > > > Ash : Yes, ONLY with Krushnas ayanamsa you get this particular > > position of Shani in 6 divisional charts out of Shodamsa in 10th > > house. > > > > At present he is running Rahu sub in Saturn > > Main. He is facing problem in partnership. > > > > Ash : Rahu represents Mars. Its in 6th house in sign of Mars and > > Nakshatra of Ketu and Ketu = Venus. So Rahu = Mars and Venus. > > Problems in Partnership : Why ? What houses are you considering > for > > partnership ? > > > > For trouble with brother : 6th lord being placed in 3rd house gives > > trouble with brother. Venus in in 12th from B = 3rd house with 6 > > bindus will not be favourable to 3rd house. It also has 16 points > in > > worksheet for 3rd house so again more problems. Planets in 2nd > house > > with high bindus creates problems and bad deeds can be opened > during > > antra of such planet. Venus is FK for 5th and 12th house and NK > for > > 7th and 12th house. Venus is also LOE for 2nd house and 3rd house > > and LOD for 7th and 10th. > > > > Recently Mars just finished its transit over Sagittarius and Mars > has > > NK for 1st and 6th and FK for 6th and 11th. So he would have faced > > problems with respect to litigations or 6th house matters and > income > > related issues and on health too. > > > > Can you please confirm is I am on proper track Krushnaji. These > > questions are very basic. > > > > > > Krushnaji : Sun in 3rd house again in Dreshkone it is in 3rd house, > > So he > > should have min 2 Mothers. ( he is having 3 mothers ) > > His partner is his step brother. > > > > Ash : Yes, like Margarita I think I am lost here to. I think we > need > > some more basics here before we can get into this level of deapth. > > > > Krushnaji : I have told him he have to divide his ancestor > > property with his brother. He will have tension and > > unneccesary allegations in the current period. He may > > get cheated in the present period. > > > > Ash : How did you come to this conclusion Krushnaji or > > someone " cheating " him ? This is very interesting. > > Unecessary allegations I can understand as Venus is the culprit > there > > being in 2nd house with high bindus and in antra of such a planet > > tentions and problems and toothaches etc come about and this is > given > > in lessons and in past discussions but how did you come to > conclusion > > of cheating. > > > > > > Krushnaji : Similar things happened in this period. Now he > > have to divide his ancestor property. He will get some > > relief after 1st of Sept.03, Matter will continue upto > > March 05. > > > > Ash : Timing, this is also interesting. See here too you have not > > just taken 1st 1/3rd period but you have gone in deeper. This > period > > of Rahu commenced on > > 05/04/2002 thru 09/02/2005. Now each 1/3rd sub is 11 months and 9 > > days. So 1st 1/3rd part is from 05/04/2002 - 14/03/2003. You have > > given that this person will receive some releif. So what technique > > are you using here to come to these dates. > > Another check I did was to compute TRANSIT POINTS and I did notice > > something there. On September 1st 2003 his points jump up to over > > 200. I shall give some points here in this mail. > > > > August 20, 2003 193 > > August 21, 2003 193 > > August 22, 2003 196 > > August 23, 2003 196 > > August 24, 2003 196 > > August 25, 2003 188 > > August 26, 2003 188 > > August 27, 2003 195 > > August 28, 2003 195 > > August 29, 2003 197 > > August 30, 2003 197 > > August 31, 2003 204 > > September 1, 2003 204 > > September 2, 2003 211 > > September 3, 2003 211 > > September 4, 2003 211 > > September 5, 2003 186 > > September 6, 2003 184 > > September 7, 2003 189 > > September 8, 2003 189. > > > > > > Is this how you have considered or is there something else that you > > have also considered to come to that date of 1st September. The > > second part of you stating that these troubles will last till March > > 2005 is understood as thats when Rahus antra ends and Gurus antra > > starts. But then Guru again is 2nd lord so there again might be > > periods of unnecessary worries and tentions ? Am I on proper > track. > > Need some more guidance with respect to Timing of this event. > > > > > > Krushnaji : This result I have given based on the degree > > of the Saturn, Mars, Venus., Dasha, Work sheet. > > > > Ash : > > Shani is FK for 8th and 9th house matters > > Venus is FK for 5th and 12th house matters > > Mars is FK for 11th and 6th house matters > > > > In the current period Rahu = Mars and Venus. I am sorry I still do > > not understand how you clued in on Shani ? > > > > Krushnaji : This result I have given him some one and half > > year back. He had been to me for asking the date of > > marriage of his sceond son. At that time casually he > > asked me about his chart. > > Yesterday again he had been to me, and told me > > his step brother had with drawn about Rs 1,50,00,000 > > (say $3,00,000) from bank account with out his > > knowledge. This happened in last 3/4 years. > > > > Ash : This is really amazing. Krushnaji, I have a suggestion that > in > > future you can also give more posts on some of your successful > > predictions so that we can figure out how you arrived at that. > This > > will make us even think more and get thoughts churning and will > take > > us more deeper into this system. With this post its really opened > my > > eyes atleast that we have just " Touched " the tip of the iceberg in > > this system and we have so much more to learn. Thank you again for > > teaching and bearing with us slow learners. :=). > > > > Krushnaji : The inportance of degrees of a planet is much > > helpful in judgement of the quontam of the result. > > > > Ash : Krushanji, I am so sorry to ask you but what exactly do you > > mean by Quantum. Do you like level for example if someone makes > > money as income then " Quantum " could mean " how much " . So someone > > could make Rs 100 a day and someone may make Rs 10,000 a day. Is > > that what you mean by Quantum ? > > > > > > Krushnaji : From the work sheet, we can easily say there must be > > some problem for 2nd house result in the current > > period. ( this can be only with Krushna's Ayanansha ) > > > > Ash : If this chart came to me I may not have been able to predict > > > > krushna > > > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , krushna > jugalkalani > > <krushanain> wrote: > > > Dear Ash and list members, > > > Here is a chart. D.O.B. 30th Jan 1949. > > > B.T. 02 30 AM at Pune 18N38, 073E53 India (GMT +5.5) > > > See the degree of Saturn. In work sheet the > > > Saturn is powerful. (even reducing the points of Mars > > > sixth lord) In 6 D charts our of 16 D charts, it is > > > situated in 10th house. So his business could be > > > related to Land, Mining, Oil, Kerosine, etc. > > > He is having Petrol Pump, Kerosine dealership, > > > Stone Quarry, and Stone Crushing industry. > > > At present he is running Rahu sub in Saturn > > > Main. He is facing problem in partnership. Sun in 3rd > > > house again in Dreshkone it is in 3rd house, So he > > > should have min 2 Mothers. ( he is having 3 mothers ) > > > His partner is his step brother. > > > I have told him he have to divide his ancestor > > > property with his brother. He will have tension and > > > unneccesary allegations in the current period. He may > > > get cheated in the present period. > > > Similar things happened in this period. Now he > > > have to divide his ancestor property. He will get some > > > relief after 1st of Sept.03, Matter will continue upto > > > March 05. > > > This result I have given based on the degree > > > of the Saturn, Mars, Venus., Dasha, Work sheet. > > > This result I have given him some one and half > > > year back. He had been to me for asking the date of > > > marriage of his sceond son. At that time casually he > > > asked me about his chart. > > > Yesterday again he had been to me, and told me > > > his step brother had with drawn about Rs 1,50,00,000 > > > (say $3,00,000) from bank account with out his > > > knowledge. This happened in last 3/4 years. > > > The inportance of degrees of a planet is much > > > helpful in judgement of the quontam of the result. > > > From the work sheet, we can easily say there must be > > > some problem for 2nd house result in the current > > > period. ( this can be only with Krushna's Ayanansha ) > > > krushna > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, > > > > > > In an old discussion you had with Sanjay here is > > > another interesting > > > point I wanted to know more about. Sorry for digging > > > up all these > > > awesome discussions you have had but I am not clear on > > > this point. > > > Can you just try to give just an example it may be > > > hypothetical so > > > that I understand exactly what you have meant. > > > > > > This is the part I have not understood rather would > > > like to get an > > > example if possible. > > > > > > You said > > > > > > " Mainly the degrees of the karak > > > planet is considered for finding the quontam of the > > > result. > > > When the natural karak planet is situated in it's > > > relative place, > > > with more points it enhances the results. " > > > > > > And the mail is this one just for your reference. > > > > > > > /message/1078 > > > > > > I do not know if Sanjay is still reading these mails > > > but he really > > > asked some very brilliant questions. > > > > > > Krushnaji, when you get some free time can you tell a > > > little more on > > > this phenemon. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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