Guest guest Posted June 16, 2003 Report Share Posted June 16, 2003 Dear Krushnaji and list members, I had a question regarding lesson " Results of planest situated in various houses " Result of Moon placed in 8th house for Aries lagna : Its written that Moon in Scorpio reduces happiness from Mother ? What is the logic behind this ? 3rd house is for mother and 8th house is 6th from 3rd so planets in House E should increase happiness but why in this case its reducing happiness. Other way round from 8th house, 3rd house is its Karak. So lord of A placed in B should be good ? Can you please explain the reasoning ? Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2003 Report Share Posted June 16, 2003 Hello Ash, Perhaps this placement of the Moon has nothing to do with the system itself ???? I thought the Moon is spoiled by Mars’ presence. For ex. When at conception Moon gets aspect from Mars and Rahu, child may be retarded. So Moon is harmed somehow by Mars. When she is in Scorpio, she is in Mars’ sign. This position states that it “reduces happiness from mother”. This has perhaps nothing to do with the mother herself but could mean that the native cannot enjoy or have profit from things coming from the mother. So in fact the native is lacking something because his mind is troubled, he is expecting too much or things the mother cannot give. If mother stands for “affection and love” but the native cannot feel or accept those feelings or doesn’t want to be touched or held close, he cannot enjoy those things coming from her. Let’s hope Krushna can shed more light on this Best regards Margarita -----Original Message----- ashsam73 [ashsam73] Monday, June 16, 2003 12:25 PM Subject: Question on lesson ? Dear Krushnaji and list members, I had a question regarding lesson " Results of planest situated in various houses " Result of Moon placed in 8th house for Aries lagna : Its written that Moon in Scorpio reduces happiness from Mother ? What is the logic behind this ? 3rd house is for mother and 8th house is 6th from 3rd so planets in House E should increase happiness but why in this case its reducing happiness. Other way round from 8th house, 3rd house is its Karak. So lord of A placed in B should be good ? Can you please explain the reasoning ? Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2003 Report Share Posted June 16, 2003 Dear Ash, If I may intervene, the reason is, Moon is karaka for 4th house and mother. His placement in 8th house in debilitation , can indicate trouble to Mother. Especially as he is also lord of the 4th for Aries ascendant. Chandrashekhar. - ashsam73 Monday, June 16, 2003 3:55 PM Question on lesson ? Dear Krushnaji and list members,I had a question regarding lesson "Results of planest situated in various houses"Result of Moon placed in 8th house for Aries lagna : Its written that Moon in Scorpio reduces happiness from Mother ?What is the logic behind this ? 3rd house is for mother and 8th house is 6th from 3rd so planets in House E should increase happiness but why in this case its reducing happiness.Other way round from 8th house, 3rd house is its Karak. So lord of A placed in B should be good ?Can you please explain the reasoning ?Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 Dear Chandreshekhar, In this system we consider 3rd house for mother and not 4th. Also in this system Karaks are 8th house from the house in reference. So Karak for mother would be Shani (for aries lagna) i.e. Shani would control the overall happiness for 3rd house There was a discussion some time back between Das Gupta and Krushanaji wherein Krushnaji explained why 3rd house is taken for mother. Moon in this system is Karak for 9th house as its lord of 8th house from 9th house i.e. 4th house for aries lagna. I am sure that this placement must be troublesome for happiness from mother but I am trying to understand the reasoning behind this using House A,B,C,D and E and with Bindus. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Chandrashekhar " <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Ash, > If I may intervene, the reason is, Moon is karaka for 4th house and mother. His placement in 8th house in debilitation , can indicate trouble to Mother. Especially as he is also lord of the 4th for Aries ascendant. > Chandrashekhar. > - > ashsam73 > > Monday, June 16, 2003 3:55 PM > Question on lesson ? > > > Dear Krushnaji and list members, > I had a question regarding lesson " Results of planest situated in > various houses " > > Result of Moon placed in 8th house for Aries lagna : Its written > that Moon in Scorpio reduces happiness from Mother ? > > What is the logic behind this ? 3rd house is for mother and 8th > house is 6th from 3rd so planets in House E should increase > happiness but why in this case its reducing happiness. > > Other way round from 8th house, 3rd house is its Karak. So lord of > A placed in B should be good ? > > Can you please explain the reasoning ? > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 Dear Margarita, Thank you for your response. I am in the process of going through the lesson little by little and trying to understand why Krushnaji has given reasoning. Initially I had read the lesson and took a few things for granted but then when I was going through it with a fine tooth and comb I came across various reasonings where Krushnaji has given in short but it has quite deep reasoning. Yes as you have explained well, it could be based on Vedic Astrology but in the lesson apart from planets being placed in particular navamsa Krushnaji has not given anything based on general vedic astrology principles as we call it but hes based everything on points. I just feel that the answer is right in front of my eyes and I am dumb to see it... I tried to reason but could not come up with anything to my satisfaction. This one has quizzed me. In any case I am sure that I will come across various other things in that lesson of planets with more points placed in various houses and will post them as and when I come across them. I think its better if those points are discussed and are out here in the archives as a point of reference going forward. Yes lets wait for Krushnaji to shed some more light. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 Dear Chandreshekhar, Krushnaji had told us in the past that mostly all the reasonings given in the texts i.e classics are based on principles of Houses A,B,C,D and E only. Hence my quest to understand the reasonings using this system only i.e. in terms of A,B,C,D and E only and not confusing it with other systems. I did think of what you had said regarding Moon in scorpio in debilitation and by general logic 4th karak is debilitated so difficulty to mother as the inference. But in this system planets in debilitation sign are good as they have benefic aspects especially with Guru, Mars and Shani who have 3 dristis each. Mostly we use the term debilitation when planets have less AV points i.e. < 4 and exalted when planets have > 4 bindus. 4 is neutral. We do use signs but thats not to find timing but the quality of result experienced. For example if Shani is placed in Aries but is strongest significator (hights points in worksheet) or is LOD or LOE then itself can give results but quality of results will be based on the multiplication factor. So if that shani has say 20 points in worksheet then its results will be 20*0.4 = 8 points. But result will happen during shanis antra only. This is an hypothetical example. Thanking you for your post and explanation, Cheers !!! Ash , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear Chandreshekhar, > > In this system we consider 3rd house for mother and not 4th. Also in > this system Karaks are 8th house from the house in reference. So > Karak for mother would be Shani (for aries lagna) i.e. Shani would > control the overall happiness for 3rd house There was a discussion > some time back between Das Gupta and Krushanaji wherein Krushnaji > explained why 3rd house is taken for mother. > > Moon in this system is Karak for 9th house as its lord of 8th house > from 9th house i.e. 4th house for aries lagna. > > I am sure that this placement must be troublesome for happiness from > mother but I am trying to understand the reasoning behind this using > House A,B,C,D and E and with Bindus. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , " Chandrashekhar " > <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > If I may intervene, the reason is, Moon is karaka for 4th house > and mother. His placement in 8th house in debilitation , can > indicate trouble to Mother. Especially as he is also lord of the 4th > for Aries ascendant. > > Chandrashekhar. > > - > > ashsam73 > > > > Monday, June 16, 2003 3:55 PM > > Question on lesson ? > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji and list members, > > I had a question regarding lesson " Results of planest situated > in > > various houses " > > > > Result of Moon placed in 8th house for Aries lagna : Its > written > > that Moon in Scorpio reduces happiness from Mother ? > > > > What is the logic behind this ? 3rd house is for mother and 8th > > house is 6th from 3rd so planets in House E should increase > > happiness but why in this case its reducing happiness. > > > > Other way round from 8th house, 3rd house is its Karak. So lord > of > > A placed in B should be good ? > > > > Can you please explain the reasoning ? > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 Dear Ash, I am certain that, for ashtaka varga system of shri krishnaji this must be true. But I was just stating about the Natal chart.(th house too has relevance in Natal chart being 6th from 4th house.And I reasoned that as ashtakavarga are result of natal chart, the 4th house might be relevant. Chandrashekhar. - ashsam73 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:13 PM Re: Question on lesson ? Dear Chandreshekhar,In this system we consider 3rd house for mother and not 4th. Also in this system Karaks are 8th house from the house in reference. So Karak for mother would be Shani (for aries lagna) i.e. Shani would control the overall happiness for 3rd house There was a discussion some time back between Das Gupta and Krushanaji wherein Krushnaji explained why 3rd house is taken for mother.Moon in this system is Karak for 9th house as its lord of 8th house from 9th house i.e. 4th house for aries lagna. I am sure that this placement must be troublesome for happiness from mother but I am trying to understand the reasoning behind this using House A,B,C,D and E and with Bindus.Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash , "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Ash,> If I may intervene, the reason is, Moon is karaka for 4th house and mother. His placement in 8th house in debilitation , can indicate trouble to Mother. Especially as he is also lord of the 4th for Aries ascendant.> Chandrashekhar.> - > ashsam73 > > Monday, June 16, 2003 3:55 PM> Question on lesson ?> > > Dear Krushnaji and list members,> I had a question regarding lesson "Results of planest situated in > various houses"> > Result of Moon placed in 8th house for Aries lagna : Its written > that Moon in Scorpio reduces happiness from Mother ?> > What is the logic behind this ? 3rd house is for mother and 8th > house is 6th from 3rd so planets in House E should increase > happiness but why in this case its reducing happiness.> > Other way round from 8th house, 3rd house is its Karak. So lord of > A placed in B should be good ?> > Can you please explain the reasoning ?> > Thanking you,> Cheers !!!> Ash> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 Dear Ash, Even ashtakavarga system, finally tries to assess the strength of Planets. In Vedic Astrology, the same is done through finding out strength through Vargas. So I think the systems are complimentary and not mutually exclusive. May be Krishnaji would like to comment. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - ashsam73 Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:52 PM Re: Question on lesson ? Dear Chandreshekhar,Krushnaji had told us in the past that mostly all the reasonings given in the texts i.e classics are based on principles of Houses A,B,C,D and E only. Hence my quest to understand the reasonings using this system only i.e. in terms of A,B,C,D and E only and not confusing it with other systems.I did think of what you had said regarding Moon in scorpio in debilitation and by general logic 4th karak is debilitated so difficulty to mother as the inference. But in this system planets in debilitation sign are good as they have benefic aspects especially with Guru, Mars and Shani who have 3 dristis each. Mostly we use the term debilitation when planets have less AV points i.e. < 4 and exalted when planets have > 4 bindus. 4 is neutral. We do use signs but thats not to find timing but the quality of result experienced.For example if Shani is placed in Aries but is strongest significator (hights points in worksheet) or is LOD or LOE then itself can give results but quality of results will be based on the multiplication factor. So if that shani has say 20 points in worksheet then its results will be 20*0.4 = 8 points.But result will happen during shanis antra only.This is an hypothetical example.Thanking you for your post and explanation,Cheers !!!Ash , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...> wrote:> Dear Chandreshekhar,> > In this system we consider 3rd house for mother and not 4th. Also in > this system Karaks are 8th house from the house in reference. So > Karak for mother would be Shani (for aries lagna) i.e. Shani would > control the overall happiness for 3rd house There was a discussion > some time back between Das Gupta and Krushanaji wherein Krushnaji > explained why 3rd house is taken for mother.> > Moon in this system is Karak for 9th house as its lord of 8th house > from 9th house i.e. 4th house for aries lagna. > > I am sure that this placement must be troublesome for happiness from > mother but I am trying to understand the reasoning behind this using > House A,B,C,D and E and with Bindus.> > Thanking you,> Cheers !!!> Ash> > > > , "Chandrashekhar" > <boxdel> wrote:> > Dear Ash,> > If I may intervene, the reason is, Moon is karaka for 4th house > and mother. His placement in 8th house in debilitation , can > indicate trouble to Mother. Especially as he is also lord of the 4th > for Aries ascendant.> > Chandrashekhar.> > - > > ashsam73 > > > > Monday, June 16, 2003 3:55 PM> > Question on lesson ?> > > > > > Dear Krushnaji and list members,> > I had a question regarding lesson "Results of planest situated > in > > various houses"> > > > Result of Moon placed in 8th house for Aries lagna : Its > written > > that Moon in Scorpio reduces happiness from Mother ?> > > > What is the logic behind this ? 3rd house is for mother and 8th > > house is 6th from 3rd so planets in House E should increase > > happiness but why in this case its reducing happiness.> > > > Other way round from 8th house, 3rd house is its Karak. So lord > of > > A placed in B should be good ?> > > > Can you please explain the reasoning ?> > > > Thanking you,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 Dear Chandrashekhar, This system is primarily for finding strength of planets. Its gives proper strength of planets for each and every house which includes all types of yogas, 4:10 relationships, asepcts etc and that is reflected in worksheets. Shodavargas are used and Krushnaji explained rather demonstrated in one example w.r.t profession that was indicated with Shani being in 10th house as profession w.r.t mining etc cant be predicted but if Shani is in 10th in 4-5 divisional charts then such might be the profession. This was done based on Vargas. Ashtakavarga is used in Vargas to find the hidden strength of planets. Rasi and Navamsa have equal status. Other 14 divisional charts are used for finding hidden strength of planets. We still have not received a full lesson on the use of Vargas. Maybe in time we will get some lessons. Worksheet gives proper strength of planets for each and every house. This system that is being taught by Krushnaji, you not be able to find in any book. Its based on Ashtakavarga and upchaya houses. If you go through some charts and you will see that over 40% of results are obtained during Vismshottari dasa of LOD or LOE i.e. 10th lord and 6th lord from a house. Remaining 50% you will find that the result happens during the strongest significator and their samdharmis. I have not found any other system consistently giving such prediction. In this system all yogas and their contras are unknowing considered when one makes the worksheet. The worksheet is based on SAV. SAV shows relation of planets with respect to each other. (Another way of looking at Yogas). This scheme of SAV is given by Sage Varharamira. We do not use Parasaras scheme here as it may have been corrupted over time. This system is very technical and one other thing, mostly all astrologers that use ashtakavarga will inadvertently come to similar conclusion. There are some laws that are not convered in worksheet and are given seperately. For example Venus to Sun distance, Venus in Krittika, mula, jayeshta and aadra spoils venus. Venus in nakshatra of sun also is spoilt with krittika being worst. Guru in libra is another one. Even sometimes by just glancing at a chart or worksheet one can get trend of a persons life. There is no other system that gives strength of a planet for each and every house. Vedic astrology has missed this vital tool. Good vedic astrologers if they use AV they can really fine tune their readings. This is Micro Astrology. Sorry for this lengthy mail. I do know you are a very good vedic astrologer and have read your posts with a lot of interest. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Chandrashekhar " <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Ash, > Even ashtakavarga system, finally tries to assess the strength of Planets. In Vedic Astrology, the same is done through finding out strength through Vargas. So I think the systems are complimentary and not mutually exclusive. May be Krishnaji would like to comment. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > - > ashsam73 > > Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:52 PM > Re: Question on lesson ? > > > Dear Chandreshekhar, > > Krushnaji had told us in the past that mostly all the reasonings > given in the texts i.e classics are based on principles of Houses > A,B,C,D and E only. Hence my quest to understand the reasonings > using this system only i.e. in terms of A,B,C,D and E only and not > confusing it with other systems. > > I did think of what you had said regarding Moon in scorpio in > debilitation and by general logic 4th karak is debilitated so > difficulty to mother as the inference. But in this system planets > in debilitation sign are good as they have benefic aspects > especially with Guru, Mars and Shani who have 3 dristis each. > Mostly we use the term debilitation when planets have less AV points > i.e. < 4 and exalted when planets have > 4 bindus. 4 is neutral. > > We do use signs but thats not to find timing but the quality of > result experienced. > > For example if Shani is placed in Aries but is strongest > significator (hights points in worksheet) or is LOD or LOE then > itself can give results but quality of results will be based on the > multiplication factor. So if that shani has say 20 points in > worksheet then its results will be 20*0.4 = 8 points. > But result will happen during shanis antra only. > This is an hypothetical example. > > Thanking you for your post and explanation, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > Dear Chandreshekhar, > > > > In this system we consider 3rd house for mother and not 4th. Also > in > > this system Karaks are 8th house from the house in reference. So > > Karak for mother would be Shani (for aries lagna) i.e. Shani would > > control the overall happiness for 3rd house There was a discussion > > some time back between Das Gupta and Krushanaji wherein Krushnaji > > explained why 3rd house is taken for mother. > > > > Moon in this system is Karak for 9th house as its lord of 8th > house > > from 9th house i.e. 4th house for aries lagna. > > > > I am sure that this placement must be troublesome for happiness > from > > mother but I am trying to understand the reasoning behind this > using > > House A,B,C,D and E and with Bindus. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > --- In , " Chandrashekhar " > > <boxdel> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > If I may intervene, the reason is, Moon is karaka for 4th house > > and mother. His placement in 8th house in debilitation , can > > indicate trouble to Mother. Especially as he is also lord of the > 4th > > for Aries ascendant. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > - > > > ashsam73 > > > > > > Monday, June 16, 2003 3:55 PM > > > Question on lesson ? > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji and list members, > > > I had a question regarding lesson " Results of planest situated > > in > > > various houses " > > > > > > Result of Moon placed in 8th house for Aries lagna : Its > > written > > > that Moon in Scorpio reduces happiness from Mother ? > > > > > > What is the logic behind this ? 3rd house is for mother and > 8th > > > house is 6th from 3rd so planets in House E should increase > > > happiness but why in this case its reducing happiness. > > > > > > Other way round from 8th house, 3rd house is its Karak. So > lord > > of > > > A placed in B should be good ? > > > > > > Can you please explain the reasoning ? > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 Dear Chandrashekhar, 6th from a house, 10th from a house are House D and E. They are upchaya for a house. Let me demonstrate with an example. Take 7th house under focus say for marriage (B). 12th and 4th house becomes D and E i.e. 6th from House B=7 and 10th from House B. These houes are special as from Karak i.e. 2nd house (8th from B house i.e. 7th house) it is 3rd and 11th. i.e. 4th house is 3rd from Karak i.e. 2nd house and 12th house is 11th so again double upchaya for both Karak and House under focus. Primary upchaya houses are 7th, 2nd and 11th. i.e. A,B and C. 6th house from a house its lord and 10th house from the house B and its lords are always eager to give results and planets placed in these houeses with > 4 bindus. When LOB is placed in LOC or LOA its good. Similarly when Karak is placed in House D or E also becomes more eager to give result even if it has low points. Such is how upchayas are used in this system. This I beleive is also a principle of Vedic astrology. As for Divisoinal charts we only use A+B+C i.e. first part of worksheet. We do not use aspects or 4:10 relation ships for vargas. Ashtakavarga can be found not only in natal charts as you know but also in divisional charts. But u r right the worksheet and actual strength of all planets we find from Rasi. Navamsa has equal status as Rasi. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Chandrashekhar " <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Ash, > I am certain that, for ashtaka varga system of shri krishnaji this must be true. But I was just stating about the Natal chart.(th house too has relevance in Natal chart being 6th from 4th house.And I reasoned that as ashtakavarga are result of natal chart, the 4th house might be relevant. > Chandrashekhar. > - > ashsam73 > > Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:13 PM > Re: Question on lesson ? > > > Dear Chandreshekhar, > > In this system we consider 3rd house for mother and not 4th. Also in > this system Karaks are 8th house from the house in reference. So > Karak for mother would be Shani (for aries lagna) i.e. Shani would > control the overall happiness for 3rd house There was a discussion > some time back between Das Gupta and Krushanaji wherein Krushnaji > explained why 3rd house is taken for mother. > > Moon in this system is Karak for 9th house as its lord of 8th house > from 9th house i.e. 4th house for aries lagna. > > I am sure that this placement must be troublesome for happiness from > mother but I am trying to understand the reasoning behind this using > House A,B,C,D and E and with Bindus. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > --- In , " Chandrashekhar " > <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > If I may intervene, the reason is, Moon is karaka for 4th house > and mother. His placement in 8th house in debilitation , can > indicate trouble to Mother. Especially as he is also lord of the 4th > for Aries ascendant. > > Chandrashekhar. > > - > > ashsam73 > > > > Monday, June 16, 2003 3:55 PM > > Question on lesson ? > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji and list members, > > I had a question regarding lesson " Results of planest situated > in > > various houses " > > > > Result of Moon placed in 8th house for Aries lagna : Its > written > > that Moon in Scorpio reduces happiness from Mother ? > > > > What is the logic behind this ? 3rd house is for mother and 8th > > house is 6th from 3rd so planets in House E should increase > > happiness but why in this case its reducing happiness. > > > > Other way round from 8th house, 3rd house is its Karak. So lord > of > > A placed in B should be good ? > > > > Can you please explain the reasoning ? > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 Dear Ash, Thanks for seing my point.Vedic astrology also embraces ashtakavarga. Mantreshwar in his Phaladeepika gives good examples. I was just pointing out, that any form of vedic astrology,is based on strengths of Bhava(house) and Bhavesh, whether ashtakavarga or otherwise. I , being of an older generation with terms like Lord of A or B or C, I find myself unconfortable. It is for too long that I am accustomed of refering to them as Lord of 3,6,10 etc. so a certain confusion arises while trying to understand the system. As long as one is able to predict near the factual, there is no harm if one uses one system or other. Krushnaji, in his first lessons also gives the aspects of planets and indications of bhavas. therefore I thought that in some cases they might be applicable.I am still a student so if I am mistaken, I am certain you will pardon me. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Chandrashekhar. - ashsam73 Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:02 PM Re: Question on lesson ? Dear Chandrashekhar,6th from a house, 10th from a house are House D and E. They are upchaya for a house.Let me demonstrate with an example.Take 7th house under focus say for marriage (B). 12th and 4th house becomes D and E i.e. 6th from House B=7 and 10th from House B.These houes are special as from Karak i.e. 2nd house (8th from B house i.e. 7th house) it is 3rd and 11th. i.e. 4th house is 3rd from Karak i.e. 2nd house and 12th house is 11th so again double upchaya for both Karak and House under focus. Primary upchaya houses are 7th, 2nd and 11th. i.e. A,B and C.6th house from a house its lord and 10th house from the house B and its lords are always eager to give results and planets placed in these houeses with > 4 bindus. When LOB is placed in LOC or LOA its good. Similarly when Karak is placed in House D or E also becomes more eager to give result even if it has low points.Such is how upchayas are used in this system. This I beleive is also a principle of Vedic astrology.As for Divisoinal charts we only use A+B+C i.e. first part of worksheet. We do not use aspects or 4:10 relation ships for vargas.Ashtakavarga can be found not only in natal charts as you know but also in divisional charts. But u r right the worksheet and actual strength of all planets we find from Rasi. Navamsa has equal status as Rasi.Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash , "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Ash,> I am certain that, for ashtaka varga system of shri krishnaji this must be true. But I was just stating about the Natal chart.(th house too has relevance in Natal chart being 6th from 4th house.And I reasoned that as ashtakavarga are result of natal chart, the 4th house might be relevant. > Chandrashekhar.> - > ashsam73 > > Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:13 PM> Re: Question on lesson ?> > > Dear Chandreshekhar,> > In this system we consider 3rd house for mother and not 4th. Also in > this system Karaks are 8th house from the house in reference. So > Karak for mother would be Shani (for aries lagna) i.e. Shani would > control the overall happiness for 3rd house There was a discussion > some time back between Das Gupta and Krushanaji wherein Krushnaji > explained why 3rd house is taken for mother.> > Moon in this system is Karak for 9th house as its lord of 8th house > from 9th house i.e. 4th house for aries lagna. > > I am sure that this placement must be troublesome for happiness from > mother but I am trying to understand the reasoning behind this using > House A,B,C,D and E and with Bindus.> > Thanking you,> Cheers !!!> Ash> > > > , "Chandrashekhar" > <boxdel> wrote:> > Dear Ash,> > If I may intervene, the reason is, Moon is karaka for 4th house > and mother. His placement in 8th house in debilitation , can > indicate trouble to Mother. Especially as he is also lord of the 4th > for Aries ascendant.> > Chandrashekhar.> > - > > ashsam73 > > > > Monday, June 16, 2003 3:55 PM> > Question on lesson ?> > > > > > Dear Krushnaji and list members,> > I had a question regarding lesson "Results of planest situated > in > > various houses"> > > > Result of Moon placed in 8th house for Aries lagna : Its > written > > that Moon in Scorpio reduces happiness from Mother ?> > > > What is the logic behind this ? 3rd house is for mother and 8th > > house is 6th from 3rd so planets in House E should increase > > happiness but why in this case its reducing happiness.> > > > Other way round from 8th house, 3rd house is its Karak. So lord > of > > A placed in B should be good ?> > > > Can you please explain the reasoning ?> > > > Thanking you,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 Dear Chandrashekhar, I had once asked Krushnaji the original terms of House A,B,C and D & E. Even Visti had asked me this question once. What are the Sanskrit terms of these houses as sometimes English has no equivalent terms for the same. So here they are. House A = Karak sthan (8th house from B) House B = Phal sthan (House under focus) House C = Phalit sthan (5th house from B) House D and E = Samrudhi sthan. (D = 10th house from B and E = 6th house from B OR D = 3rd house from A and E = 11th from A). There is a slight difference between D and E. D and E both are eager to give results by sign lordships, we do not have to look at their points in the worksheet. They generally give results eagerly. The difference is D creates opportunity and E is the result of event B. For eg. for Marriage, House D is 4th house, so it makes opportunity to giving a home etc so that it gives security which people look for and in marriage and House E is the result of Marriage i.e. Bed comfort amongts other things. Lots of members on this list are not well versed with either Marathi or Sanskrit or Hindi. Many of them are from West where English being primary language and I also know a few people whose mother tounge is French. Hence the convention used as A,B,C and D and E were used. Over a period of time its become a norm. Chandrashaker, we all are students and all learning here from Krushnaji. Good and intellegent questions can bring about a good level of discussion and everyone will benefit with an increase knowledge. Its a win win situation. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash , " Chandrashekhar " <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Ash, > Thanks for seing my point.Vedic astrology also embraces ashtakavarga. Mantreshwar in his Phaladeepika gives good examples. I was just pointing out, that any form of vedic astrology,is based on strengths of Bhava(house) and Bhavesh, whether ashtakavarga or otherwise. > I , being of an older generation with terms like Lord of A or B or C, I find myself unconfortable. It is for too long that I am accustomed of refering to them as Lord of 3,6,10 etc. so a certain confusion arises while trying to understand the system. > As long as one is able to predict near the factual, there is no harm if one uses one system or other. Krushnaji, in his first lessons also gives the aspects of planets and indications of bhavas. therefore I thought that in some cases they might be applicable.I am still a student so if I am mistaken, I am certain you will pardon me. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > Chandrashekhar. > - > ashsam73 > > Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:02 PM > Re: Question on lesson ? > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > 6th from a house, 10th from a house are House D and E. They are > upchaya for a house. > > Let me demonstrate with an example. > Take 7th house under focus say for marriage (B). 12th and 4th house > becomes D and E i.e. 6th from House B=7 and 10th from House B. > These houes are special as from Karak i.e. 2nd house (8th from B > house i.e. 7th house) it is 3rd and 11th. i.e. 4th house is 3rd > from Karak i.e. 2nd house and 12th house is 11th so again double > upchaya for both Karak and House under focus. > Primary upchaya houses are 7th, 2nd and 11th. i.e. A,B and C. > > 6th house from a house its lord and 10th house from the house B and > its lords are always eager to give results and planets placed in > these houeses with > 4 bindus. > > When LOB is placed in LOC or LOA its good. Similarly when Karak is > placed in House D or E also becomes more eager to give result even > if it has low points. > > Such is how upchayas are used in this system. This I beleive is > also a principle of Vedic astrology. > > As for Divisoinal charts we only use A+B+C i.e. first part of > worksheet. We do not use aspects or 4:10 relation ships for vargas. > > Ashtakavarga can be found not only in natal charts as you know but > also in divisional charts. But u r right the worksheet and actual > strength of all planets we find from Rasi. Navamsa has equal status > as Rasi. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > --- In , " Chandrashekhar " > <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > I am certain that, for ashtaka varga system of shri krishnaji this > must be true. But I was just stating about the Natal chart.(th house > too has relevance in Natal chart being 6th from 4th house.And I > reasoned that as ashtakavarga are result of natal chart, the 4th > house might be relevant. > > Chandrashekhar. > > - > > ashsam73 > > > > Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:13 PM > > Re: Question on lesson ? > > > > > > Dear Chandreshekhar, > > > > In this system we consider 3rd house for mother and not 4th. > Also in > > this system Karaks are 8th house from the house in reference. > So > > Karak for mother would be Shani (for aries lagna) i.e. Shani > would > > control the overall happiness for 3rd house There was a > discussion > > some time back between Das Gupta and Krushanaji wherein > Krushnaji > > explained why 3rd house is taken for mother. > > > > Moon in this system is Karak for 9th house as its lord of 8th > house > > from 9th house i.e. 4th house for aries lagna. > > > > I am sure that this placement must be troublesome for happiness > from > > mother but I am trying to understand the reasoning behind this > using > > House A,B,C,D and E and with Bindus. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > --- In > , " Chandrashekhar " > > <boxdel> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > If I may intervene, the reason is, Moon is karaka for 4th > house > > and mother. His placement in 8th house in debilitation , can > > indicate trouble to Mother. Especially as he is also lord of the > 4th > > for Aries ascendant. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > - > > > ashsam73 > > > > > > Monday, June 16, 2003 3:55 PM > > > Question on lesson ? > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji and list members, > > > I had a question regarding lesson " Results of planest > situated > > in > > > various houses " > > > > > > Result of Moon placed in 8th house for Aries lagna : Its > > written > > > that Moon in Scorpio reduces happiness from Mother ? > > > > > > What is the logic behind this ? 3rd house is for mother and > 8th > > > house is 6th from 3rd so planets in House E should increase > > > happiness but why in this case its reducing happiness. > > > > > > Other way round from 8th house, 3rd house is its Karak. So > lord > > of > > > A placed in B should be good ? > > > > > > Can you please explain the reasoning ? > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 Dear Ash, Yes I understand the problem. I could make out the houses reffered. I was just telling you that I find the old style more comfortable with. Thank you for the patient explanation. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - ashsam73 Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:17 PM Re: Question on lesson ? Dear Chandrashekhar,I had once asked Krushnaji the original terms of House A,B,C and D & E.Even Visti had asked me this question once. What are the Sanskrit terms of these houses as sometimes English has no equivalent terms for the same.So here they are.House A = Karak sthan (8th house from B)House B = Phal sthan (House under focus)House C = Phalit sthan (5th house from B)House D and E = Samrudhi sthan. (D = 10th house from B and E = 6th house from B OR D = 3rd house from A and E = 11th from A).There is a slight difference between D and E. D and E both are eager to give results by sign lordships, we do not have to look at their points in the worksheet. They generally give results eagerly. The difference is D creates opportunity and E is the result of event B. For eg. for Marriage, House D is 4th house, so it makes opportunity to giving a home etc so that it gives security which people look for and in marriage and House E is the result of Marriage i.e. Bed comfort amongts other things.Lots of members on this list are not well versed with either Marathi or Sanskrit or Hindi. Many of them are from West where English being primary language and I also know a few people whose mother tounge is French. Hence the convention used as A,B,C and D and E were used. Over a period of time its become a norm. Chandrashaker, we all are students and all learning here from Krushnaji. Good and intellegent questions can bring about a good level of discussion and everyone will benefit with an increase knowledge. Its a win win situation.Hope that helps,Cheers !!!Ash , "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Ash,> Thanks for seing my point.Vedic astrology also embraces ashtakavarga. Mantreshwar in his Phaladeepika gives good examples. I was just pointing out, that any form of vedic astrology,is based on strengths of Bhava(house) and Bhavesh, whether ashtakavarga or otherwise.> I , being of an older generation with terms like Lord of A or B or C, I find myself unconfortable. It is for too long that I am accustomed of refering to them as Lord of 3,6,10 etc. so a certain confusion arises while trying to understand the system.> As long as one is able to predict near the factual, there is no harm if one uses one system or other. Krushnaji, in his first lessons also gives the aspects of planets and indications of bhavas. therefore I thought that in some cases they might be applicable.I am still a student so if I am mistaken, I am certain you will pardon me.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> Chandrashekhar.> - > ashsam73 > > Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:02 PM> Re: Question on lesson ?> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,> 6th from a house, 10th from a house are House D and E. They are > upchaya for a house.> > Let me demonstrate with an example.> Take 7th house under focus say for marriage (B). 12th and 4th house > becomes D and E i.e. 6th from House B=7 and 10th from House B.> These houes are special as from Karak i.e. 2nd house (8th from B > house i.e. 7th house) it is 3rd and 11th. i.e. 4th house is 3rd > from Karak i.e. 2nd house and 12th house is 11th so again double > upchaya for both Karak and House under focus. > Primary upchaya houses are 7th, 2nd and 11th. i.e. A,B and C.> > 6th house from a house its lord and 10th house from the house B and > its lords are always eager to give results and planets placed in > these houeses with > 4 bindus. > > When LOB is placed in LOC or LOA its good. Similarly when Karak is > placed in House D or E also becomes more eager to give result even > if it has low points.> > Such is how upchayas are used in this system. This I beleive is > also a principle of Vedic astrology.> > As for Divisoinal charts we only use A+B+C i.e. first part of > worksheet. We do not use aspects or 4:10 relation ships for vargas.> > Ashtakavarga can be found not only in natal charts as you know but > also in divisional charts. But u r right the worksheet and actual > strength of all planets we find from Rasi. Navamsa has equal status > as Rasi.> > Thanking you,> Cheers !!!> Ash> > , "Chandrashekhar" > <boxdel> wrote:> > Dear Ash,> > I am certain that, for ashtaka varga system of shri krishnaji this > must be true. But I was just stating about the Natal chart.(th house > too has relevance in Natal chart being 6th from 4th house.And I > reasoned that as ashtakavarga are result of natal chart, the 4th > house might be relevant. > > Chandrashekhar.> > - > > ashsam73 > > > > Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:13 PM> > Re: Question on lesson ?> > > > > > Dear Chandreshekhar,> > > > In this system we consider 3rd house for mother and not 4th. > Also in > > this system Karaks are 8th house from the house in reference. > So > > Karak for mother would be Shani (for aries lagna) i.e. Shani > would > > control the overall happiness for 3rd house There was a > discussion > > some time back between Das Gupta and Krushanaji wherein > Krushnaji > > explained why 3rd house is taken for mother.> > > > Moon in this system is Karak for 9th house as its lord of 8th > house > > from 9th house i.e. 4th house for aries lagna. > > > > I am sure that this placement must be troublesome for happiness > from > > mother but I am trying to understand the reasoning behind this > using > > House A,B,C,D and E and with Bindus.> > > > Thanking you,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> > > > > > > > > , "Chandrashekhar" > > <boxdel> wrote:> > > Dear Ash,> > > If I may intervene, the reason is, Moon is karaka for 4th > house > > and mother. His placement in 8th house in debilitation , can > > indicate trouble to Mother. Especially as he is also lord of the > 4th > > for Aries ascendant.> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > - > > > ashsam73 > > > > > > Monday, June 16, 2003 3:55 PM> > > Question on lesson ?> > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji and list members,> > > I had a question regarding lesson "Results of planest > situated > > in > > > various houses"> > > > > > Result of Moon placed in 8th house for Aries lagna : Its > > written > > > that Moon in Scorpio reduces happiness from Mother ?> > > > > > What is the logic behind this ? 3rd house is for mother and > 8th > > > house is 6th from 3rd so planets in House E should increase > > > happiness but why in this case its reducing happiness.> > > > > > Other way round from 8th house, 3rd house is its Karak. So > lord > > of > > > A placed in B should be good ?> > > > > > Can you please explain the reasoning ?> > > > > > Thanking you,> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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