Delayed marriage chart - Clarification on lagna

June 27, 2003

Dear Krushnaji,

I casted the chart and before I go into it I wanted to confirm. I

got lagna at 10Pi28 with Navasa rising as Libra.

You have mentioned in this mail about lagna changing with 2/3 mins

diff, this is not happening with the data given. Am I doing

something wrong ?

Also another thing I wanted clarifications on is the planet getting

points.. Sun and Mars both are with 2 bindus and in 10th from Guru

but you had said that only 1 planet will get the points so in this

case since Sun and Mars both are with equal less bindus then the

next step would be to check who is more malefic to the sign its

placed in.. i this case then only Mars should get points, so why

have you considered both Sun and Mars getting points from Guru...

I need to clarify this basic doubt.

I also have another question that you did not have after looking at

the chart.

This lady is born 2nd Oct 1972 so delay is there as Shani is LOC and

it aspects LOA and LOB in Navamsa and no check from Guru is there so

fully delay so after 27.5 years the date falls to 2000/May.

This falls in Mercurys antra in the first part.

Mercury being LOD and in House B vargottama... how come it did not

give results.

After that its Ketus antra.. but why did u not consider Mercurys

antra ? or what is also the reason why Marriage did not take place

in Mercury's antra ?

I had these doubts and so I also posted them.. I shall study further

w.r.t. your questions regarding why Ketu's antra did not give

marriage ?

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " krushanain "

<krushanain> wrote:

> Dear members,

> Some 5 /6 days back one person met me. He was looking in

> relaxed mood. He told me his daughter got married on 23rd May

2003. I

> remembered he had been to me some two years back, and shown the

chart

> of his daughter. I asked him, if I had given him any date. He said

> no. You have not given me any date. You have told that you are

> confused, and told there must be some mistake in birth time.

> Following is the chart:

> D.O.B. 4th October 1972 B.T. 05:50 Pm (GMT + 5.5) Place: Satara,

> India (17 N 42, 74 E 02)

>

> This is a chart of Delayed marriage. Marriage must be in

Ketu

> Anter. When he came to me, Ketu anter must have passed. I might

be

> having the question, why she not married in Ketu anter?

> The lagna is on the boundry. With 2/3 min difference it

> changes. She got married in Sun's Antra. Sun is sixth lord. So no

> qualities of Sixth lord. But it is 12th lord from B. It is

samdharmi

> to Mars. Mars is having good strength, but having sight on 2nd

house.

> So it cant give the result it self. Sun is natural samdharmi to

Mars,

> and also situated with Mars in 7th house.

> Sun is also with less points, and situated in the 10th

place

> from Jupiter. So this will also get strength from Jupiter. Now

> considering Sun as a powerful planet for marriage, every thing is

in

> the frame. Venus is weak for marriage. So marriage not happened

in

> Venus Sub.

> Still Problem for Ketu sub remained. It was continued when

> the age of the girl was 27.5 year. wHY MARRIAGE NOT HAPPENED IN

kETU

> sUB?

> krushna

June 27, 2003

Hello Ash,

I also was wondering but then I thought Krushna spelled something wrong in the TOB because I'm also getting 10°28 pisces. So I played around and am now looking at a TOB for 18h50 of 6.50 pm. This gives asc 29°11 pisces and keeps the marriage date in the right antra. I'v got Sun antra between 29 september 2002 and 30 march 2003. So I'm going to work on that because according to the facts stated by Krushna it has to be pisces asc.

I cannot work on the chart right now but will pick it up this evening

Good luck

Margarita

ashsam73 [ashsam73]Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: Re: Delayed marriage chart - Clarification on lagnaDear Krushnaji,I casted the chart and before I go into it I wanted to confirm. I got lagna at 10Pi28 with Navasa rising as Libra.You have mentioned in this mail about lagna changing with 2/3 mins diff, this is not happening with the data given. Am I doing something wrong ?Also another thing I wanted clarifications on is the planet getting points.. Sun and Mars both are with 2 bindus and in 10th from Guru but you had said that only 1 planet will get the points so in this case since Sun and Mars both are with equal less bindus then the next step would be to check who is more malefic to the sign its placed in.. i this case then only Mars should get points, so why have you considered both Sun and Mars getting points from Guru... I need to clarify this basic doubt.I also have another question that you did not have after looking at the chart.This lady is born 2nd Oct 1972 so delay is there as Shani is LOC and it aspects LOA and LOB in Navamsa and no check from Guru is there so fully delay so after 27.5 years the date falls to 2000/May. This falls in Mercurys antra in the first part.Mercury being LOD and in House B vargottama... how come it did not give results.After that its Ketus antra.. but why did u not consider Mercurys antra ? or what is also the reason why Marriage did not take place in Mercury's antra ? I had these doubts and so I also posted them.. I shall study further w.r.t. your questions regarding why Ketu's antra did not give marriage ?Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash , "krushanain" <krushanain> wrote:> Dear members,> Some 5 /6 days back one person met me. He was looking in > relaxed mood. He told me his daughter got married on 23rd May 2003. I > remembered he had been to me some two years back, and shown the chart > of his daughter. I asked him, if I had given him any date. He said > no. You have not given me any date. You have told that you are > confused, and told there must be some mistake in birth time. > Following is the chart: > D.O.B. 4th October 1972 B.T. 05:50 Pm (GMT + 5.5) Place: Satara, > India (17 N 42, 74 E 02) > > This is a chart of Delayed marriage. Marriage must be in Ketu > Anter. When he came to me, Ketu anter must have passed. I might be > having the question, why she not married in Ketu anter? > The lagna is on the boundry. With 2/3 min difference it > changes. She got married in Sun's Antra. Sun is sixth lord. So no > qualities of Sixth lord. But it is 12th lord from B. It is samdharmi > to Mars. Mars is having good strength, but having sight on 2nd house. > So it cant give the result it self. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars, > and also situated with Mars in 7th house. > Sun is also with less points, and situated in the 10th place > from Jupiter. So this will also get strength from Jupiter. Now > considering Sun as a powerful planet for marriage, every thing is in > the frame. Venus is weak for marriage. So marriage not happened in > Venus Sub.> Still Problem for Ketu sub remained. It was continued when > the age of the girl was 27.5 year. wHY MARRIAGE NOT HAPPENED IN kETU > sUB? > krushna

June 27, 2003

Dear Margarita,

Yes, thanks with 18:50 this makes more sense. Now with this time I

get 29Pi15 and Navamsa of Pisces. Shani is still LOC and is

aspecting LOB and LOA in Navamsa. So full delay.

Also with this time my doubt about Mercury antra running at the time

of the native turning 27.5 is also kinda solved (though not fully)

as Mercury antra ends on 2000/06.

At the time she turns 27.5 its 4th April 2000. so just still 2

months are left of Mercury's antra.

Now long time back I remember Krushnaji saying that if at the time

of delay getting over and if at that time it falls in the last 1/3rd

portion of the significator or powerful significator then the even

will not happen ???? I would like Krushnaji to confirm this part and

some reasoning behind this...

In any case now its better as Ketu antra is running after that...

and is more in line.. but still I will think more over this in the

this evening or tomorrow ... and pick it up from there.... I think

we should study both ascendents.... just to make sure...

Very interesting... :=)

Thanks Krushnaji for posting this chart....

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " dirk & margarita

lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> Hello Ash,

> I also was wondering but then I thought Krushna spelled something

wrong in

> the TOB because I'm also getting 10°28 pisces. So I played around

and am now

> looking at a TOB for 18h50 of 6.50 pm. This gives asc 29°11 pisces

and keeps

> the marriage date in the right antra. I'v got Sun antra between 29

september

> 2002 and 30 march 2003. So I'm going to work on that because

according to

> the facts stated by Krushna it has to be pisces asc.

> I cannot work on the chart right now but will pick it up this

evening

> Good luck

> Margarita

>

> ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 AM

>

> Re: Delayed marriage chart -

> Clarification on lagna

>

> Dear Krushnaji,

> I casted the chart and before I go into it I wanted to confirm.

I

> got lagna at 10Pi28 with Navasa rising as Libra.

>

> You have mentioned in this mail about lagna changing with 2/3

mins

> diff, this is not happening with the data given. Am I doing

> something wrong ?

>

> Also another thing I wanted clarifications on is the planet

getting

> points.. Sun and Mars both are with 2 bindus and in 10th from

Guru

> but you had said that only 1 planet will get the points so in

this

> case since Sun and Mars both are with equal less bindus then the

> next step would be to check who is more malefic to the sign its

> placed in.. i this case then only Mars should get points, so why

> have you considered both Sun and Mars getting points from Guru...

> I need to clarify this basic doubt.

>

> I also have another question that you did not have after looking

at

> the chart.

>

> This lady is born 2nd Oct 1972 so delay is there as Shani is LOC

and

> it aspects LOA and LOB in Navamsa and no check from Guru is

there so

> fully delay so after 27.5 years the date falls to 2000/May.

> This falls in Mercurys antra in the first part.

>

> Mercury being LOD and in House B vargottama... how come it did

not

> give results.

>

> After that its Ketus antra.. but why did u not consider Mercurys

> antra ? or what is also the reason why Marriage did not take

place

> in Mercury's antra ?

>

> I had these doubts and so I also posted them.. I shall study

further

> w.r.t. your questions regarding why Ketu's antra did not give

> marriage ?

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " krushanain "

> <krushanain> wrote:

> > Dear members,

> > Some 5 /6 days back one person met me. He was looking

in

> > relaxed mood. He told me his daughter got married on 23rd May

> 2003. I

> > remembered he had been to me some two years back, and shown the

> chart

> > of his daughter. I asked him, if I had given him any date. He

said

> > no. You have not given me any date. You have told that you are

> > confused, and told there must be some mistake in birth time.

> > Following is the chart:

> > D.O.B. 4th October 1972 B.T. 05:50 Pm (GMT + 5.5) Place:

Satara,

> > India (17 N 42, 74 E 02)

> >

> > This is a chart of Delayed marriage. Marriage must be

in

> Ketu

> > Anter. When he came to me, Ketu anter must have passed. I might

> be

> > having the question, why she not married in Ketu anter?

> > The lagna is on the boundry. With 2/3 min difference it

> > changes. She got married in Sun's Antra. Sun is sixth lord. So

no

> > qualities of Sixth lord. But it is 12th lord from B. It is

> samdharmi

> > to Mars. Mars is having good strength, but having sight on 2nd

> house.

> > So it cant give the result it self. Sun is natural samdharmi to

> Mars,

> > and also situated with Mars in 7th house.

> > Sun is also with less points, and situated in the 10th

> place

> > from Jupiter. So this will also get strength from Jupiter. Now

> > considering Sun as a powerful planet for marriage, every thing

is

> in

> > the frame. Venus is weak for marriage. So marriage not

happened

> in

> > Venus Sub.

> > Still Problem for Ketu sub remained. It was continued

when

> > the age of the girl was 27.5 year. wHY MARRIAGE NOT HAPPENED IN

> kETU

> > sUB?

> > krushna

>

June 27, 2003

Yes Ash, But I don't remember this mail about the delay. I was probably somewhere and off the list for some time so it escaped me. I will "chew" on this chart because there are some confusing remarks in Krushna's text . He states "Sun is 6th lord. So no qualities of 6th lord. But it is 12th lord from B". This is not correct for pisces asc. This is correct for Aries asc. But then he says that Sun is situated with Mars in the 7th; so again this is based on Pisces asc. I think we are missing something or otherwise there was a confusion somewhere. Anyway, I will try to solve this problem

Best regards

Margarita

ashsam73 [ashsam73]Friday, June 27, 2003 12:01 PM Subject: Re: Delayed marriage chart - Clarification on lagnaDear Margarita,Yes, thanks with 18:50 this makes more sense. Now with this time I get 29Pi15 and Navamsa of Pisces. Shani is still LOC and is aspecting LOB and LOA in Navamsa. So full delay.Also with this time my doubt about Mercury antra running at the time of the native turning 27.5 is also kinda solved (though not fully) as Mercury antra ends on 2000/06. At the time she turns 27.5 its 4th April 2000. so just still 2 months are left of Mercury's antra.Now long time back I remember Krushnaji saying that if at the time of delay getting over and if at that time it falls in the last 1/3rd portion of the significator or powerful significator then the even will not happen ???? I would like Krushnaji to confirm this part and some reasoning behind this...In any case now its better as Ketu antra is running after that... and is more in line.. but still I will think more over this in the this evening or tomorrow ... and pick it up from there.... I think we should study both ascendents.... just to make sure...Very interesting... :=)Thanks Krushnaji for posting this chart....Cheers !!!Ash , "dirk & margarita lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> Hello Ash,> I also was wondering but then I thought Krushna spelled something wrong in> the TOB because I'm also getting 10°28 pisces. So I played around and am now> looking at a TOB for 18h50 of 6.50 pm. This gives asc 29°11 pisces and keeps> the marriage date in the right antra. I'v got Sun antra between 29 september> 2002 and 30 march 2003. So I'm going to work on that because according to> the facts stated by Krushna it has to be pisces asc.> I cannot work on the chart right now but will pick it up this evening> Good luck> Margarita> > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 AM> > Re: Delayed marriage chart -> Clarification on lagna> > > Dear Krushnaji,> I casted the chart and before I go into it I wanted to confirm. I> got lagna at 10Pi28 with Navasa rising as Libra.> > You have mentioned in this mail about lagna changing with 2/3 mins> diff, this is not happening with the data given. Am I doing> something wrong ?> > Also another thing I wanted clarifications on is the planet getting> points.. Sun and Mars both are with 2 bindus and in 10th from Guru> but you had said that only 1 planet will get the points so in this> case since Sun and Mars both are with equal less bindus then the> next step would be to check who is more malefic to the sign its> placed in.. i this case then only Mars should get points, so why> have you considered both Sun and Mars getting points from Guru...> I need to clarify this basic doubt.> > I also have another question that you did not have after looking at> the chart.> > This lady is born 2nd Oct 1972 so delay is there as Shani is LOC and> it aspects LOA and LOB in Navamsa and no check from Guru is there so> fully delay so after 27.5 years the date falls to 2000/May.> This falls in Mercurys antra in the first part.> > Mercury being LOD and in House B vargottama... how come it did not> give results.> > After that its Ketus antra.. but why did u not consider Mercurys> antra ? or what is also the reason why Marriage did not take place> in Mercury's antra ?> > I had these doubts and so I also posted them.. I shall study further> w.r.t. your questions regarding why Ketu's antra did not give> marriage ?> > Thanking you,> Cheers !!!> Ash> > , "krushanain"> <krushanain> wrote:> > Dear members,> > Some 5 /6 days back one person met me. He was looking in> > relaxed mood. He told me his daughter got married on 23rd May> 2003. I> > remembered he had been to me some two years back, and shown the> chart> > of his daughter. I asked him, if I had given him any date. He said> > no. You have not given me any date. You have told that you are> > confused, and told there must be some mistake in birth time.> > Following is the chart:> > D.O.B. 4th October 1972 B.T. 05:50 Pm (GMT + 5.5) Place: Satara,> > India (17 N 42, 74 E 02)> >> > This is a chart of Delayed marriage. Marriage must be in> Ketu> > Anter. When he came to me, Ketu anter must have passed. I might> be> > having the question, why she not married in Ketu anter?> > The lagna is on the boundry. With 2/3 min difference it> > changes. She got married in Sun's Antra. Sun is sixth lord. So no> > qualities of Sixth lord. But it is 12th lord from B. It is> samdharmi> > to Mars. Mars is having good strength, but having sight on 2nd> house.> > So it cant give the result it self. Sun is natural samdharmi to> Mars,> > and also situated with Mars in 7th house.> > Sun is also with less points, and situated in the 10th> place> > from Jupiter. So this will also get strength from Jupiter. Now> > considering Sun as a powerful planet for marriage, every thing is> in> > the frame. Venus is weak for marriage. So marriage not happened> in> > Venus Sub.> > Still Problem for Ketu sub remained. It was continued when> > the age of the girl was 27.5 year. wHY MARRIAGE NOT HAPPENED IN> kETU> > sUB?> > krushna> > >

June 27, 2003

Dear Margarita,

For Pisces ascendent Sun is 6th lord and its placed in 7th house.

But here Sun will not take the qualities of 6th lord, but still it is

not spared by being 12th from B. Only for 7th house this is the case

where 6th lord acts as both 6th lord as well as 12th from B.

So there are 2 laws, one is for 6th lord characteristics which Sun

and Moon do not take, but they are not spared as being 12th from 7th

house. So the law of 12th from B in House B still applies which will

reduce the happiness of 7th house but it will not act like 6th lord.

So planet in 4th from it with more points will not get spoilt by

becoming samdharmi to it.

Yes the confusing part is if 12th from B gets points and becomes

strong it will use its strength to further reduce the beneficiance of

the house in this case 7th house because its 12th from B and not

because its 6th lord.

These are points I could think off, I am still pondering over it.

Its quite late at night here so I shall think more about this

tomorrow.

I think this chart will exercise most of the laws taught lol.... a

good exercise...

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " dirk & margarita

lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> Yes Ash, But I don't remember this mail about the delay. I was

probably

> somewhere and off the list for some time so it escaped me. I

will " chew " on

> this chart because there are some confusing remarks in Krushna's

text . He

> states " Sun is 6th lord. So no qualities of 6th lord. But it is

12th lord

> from B " . This is not correct for pisces asc. This is correct for

Aries asc.

> But then he says that Sun is situated with Mars in the 7th; so

again this is

> based on Pisces asc. I think we are missing something or otherwise

there was

> a confusion somewhere. Anyway, I will try to solve this problem

> Best regards

> Margarita

>

> ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> Friday, June 27, 2003 12:01 PM

>

> Re: Delayed marriage chart -

> Clarification on lagna

>

> Dear Margarita,

>

> Yes, thanks with 18:50 this makes more sense. Now with this time

I

> get 29Pi15 and Navamsa of Pisces. Shani is still LOC and is

> aspecting LOB and LOA in Navamsa. So full delay.

> Also with this time my doubt about Mercury antra running at the

time

> of the native turning 27.5 is also kinda solved (though not fully)

> as Mercury antra ends on 2000/06.

> At the time she turns 27.5 its 4th April 2000. so just still 2

> months are left of Mercury's antra.

>

> Now long time back I remember Krushnaji saying that if at the time

> of delay getting over and if at that time it falls in the last

1/3rd

> portion of the significator or powerful significator then the even

> will not happen ???? I would like Krushnaji to confirm this part

and

> some reasoning behind this...

>

> In any case now its better as Ketu antra is running after that...

> and is more in line.. but still I will think more over this in the

> this evening or tomorrow ... and pick it up from there.... I think

> we should study both ascendents.... just to make sure...

>

> Very interesting... :=)

>

> Thanks Krushnaji for posting this chart....

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " dirk & margarita

> lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > Hello Ash,

> > I also was wondering but then I thought Krushna spelled

something

> wrong in

> > the TOB because I'm also getting 10°28 pisces. So I played

around

> and am now

> > looking at a TOB for 18h50 of 6.50 pm. This gives asc 29°11

pisces

> and keeps

> > the marriage date in the right antra. I'v got Sun antra between

29

> september

> > 2002 and 30 march 2003. So I'm going to work on that because

> according to

> > the facts stated by Krushna it has to be pisces asc.

> > I cannot work on the chart right now but will pick it up this

> evening

> > Good luck

> > Margarita

> >

> > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 AM

> >

> > Re: Delayed marriage

chart -

> > Clarification on lagna

> >

> > Dear Krushnaji,

> > I casted the chart and before I go into it I wanted to

confirm.

> I

> > got lagna at 10Pi28 with Navasa rising as Libra.

> >

> > You have mentioned in this mail about lagna changing with 2/3

> mins

> > diff, this is not happening with the data given. Am I doing

> > something wrong ?

> >

> > Also another thing I wanted clarifications on is the planet

> getting

> > points.. Sun and Mars both are with 2 bindus and in 10th from

> Guru

> > but you had said that only 1 planet will get the points so in

> this

> > case since Sun and Mars both are with equal less bindus then

the

> > next step would be to check who is more malefic to the sign

its

> > placed in.. i this case then only Mars should get points, so

why

> > have you considered both Sun and Mars getting points from

Guru...

> > I need to clarify this basic doubt.

> >

> > I also have another question that you did not have after

looking

> at

> > the chart.

> >

> > This lady is born 2nd Oct 1972 so delay is there as Shani is

LOC

> and

> > it aspects LOA and LOB in Navamsa and no check from Guru is

> there so

> > fully delay so after 27.5 years the date falls to 2000/May.

> > This falls in Mercurys antra in the first part.

> >

> > Mercury being LOD and in House B vargottama... how come it did

> not

> > give results.

> >

> > After that its Ketus antra.. but why did u not consider

Mercurys

> > antra ? or what is also the reason why Marriage did not take

> place

> > in Mercury's antra ?

> >

> > I had these doubts and so I also posted them.. I shall study

> further

> > w.r.t. your questions regarding why Ketu's antra did not give

> > marriage ?

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " krushanain "

> > <krushanain> wrote:

> > > Dear members,

> > > Some 5 /6 days back one person met me. He was

looking

> in

> > > relaxed mood. He told me his daughter got married on 23rd

May

> > 2003. I

> > > remembered he had been to me some two years back, and shown

the

> > chart

> > > of his daughter. I asked him, if I had given him any date.

He

> said

> > > no. You have not given me any date. You have told that you

are

> > > confused, and told there must be some mistake in birth time.

> > > Following is the chart:

> > > D.O.B. 4th October 1972 B.T. 05:50 Pm (GMT + 5.5) Place:

> Satara,

> > > India (17 N 42, 74 E 02)

> > >

> > > This is a chart of Delayed marriage. Marriage must

be

> in

> > Ketu

> > > Anter. When he came to me, Ketu anter must have passed. I

might

> > be

> > > having the question, why she not married in Ketu anter?

> > > The lagna is on the boundry. With 2/3 min

difference it

> > > changes. She got married in Sun's Antra. Sun is sixth lord.

So

> no

> > > qualities of Sixth lord. But it is 12th lord from B. It is

> > samdharmi

> > > to Mars. Mars is having good strength, but having sight on

2nd

> > house.

> > > So it cant give the result it self. Sun is natural

samdharmi to

> > Mars,

> > > and also situated with Mars in 7th house.

> > > Sun is also with less points, and situated in the

10th

> > place

> > > from Jupiter. So this will also get strength from Jupiter.

Now

> > > considering Sun as a powerful planet for marriage, every

thing

> is

> > in

> > > the frame. Venus is weak for marriage. So marriage not

> happened

> > in

> > > Venus Sub.

> > > Still Problem for Ketu sub remained. It was

continued

> when

> > > the age of the girl was 27.5 year. wHY MARRIAGE NOT

HAPPENED IN

> > kETU

> > > sUB?

> > > krushna

> >

June 27, 2003

Dear Margarita,

I had just read that mail the other day but was unable to find it. I

will look for it some more. I think it was Krushnaji explaining

about a chart and in that he mentioned about this part that if at the

time of maturing i.e. delay casued by Shani is over and that time

period is in the last 1/3rd portion then it does not give the

results. In anycase this part is quite important as we do find in

some cases when event falls in last 1/3rd part. I think we can use

this law to time even other things like jobs, education etc.

I wonder if there is more to this law and I also wonder why Krushnaji

does not consider the last 1/3rd portion ?? But I do remember very

vividly reading about it in that email.

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " dirk & margarita

lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> Yes Ash, But I don't remember this mail about the delay. I was

probably

> somewhere and off the list for some time so it escaped me. I

will " chew " on

> this chart because there are some confusing remarks in Krushna's

text . He

> states " Sun is 6th lord. So no qualities of 6th lord. But it is

12th lord

> from B " . This is not correct for pisces asc. This is correct for

Aries asc.

> But then he says that Sun is situated with Mars in the 7th; so

again this is

> based on Pisces asc. I think we are missing something or otherwise

there was

> a confusion somewhere. Anyway, I will try to solve this problem

> Best regards

> Margarita

>

> ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> Friday, June 27, 2003 12:01 PM

>

> Re: Delayed marriage chart -

> Clarification on lagna

>

> Dear Margarita,

>

> Yes, thanks with 18:50 this makes more sense. Now with this time

I

> get 29Pi15 and Navamsa of Pisces. Shani is still LOC and is

> aspecting LOB and LOA in Navamsa. So full delay.

> Also with this time my doubt about Mercury antra running at the

time

> of the native turning 27.5 is also kinda solved (though not fully)

> as Mercury antra ends on 2000/06.

> At the time she turns 27.5 its 4th April 2000. so just still 2

> months are left of Mercury's antra.

>

> Now long time back I remember Krushnaji saying that if at the time

> of delay getting over and if at that time it falls in the last

1/3rd

> portion of the significator or powerful significator then the even

> will not happen ???? I would like Krushnaji to confirm this part

and

> some reasoning behind this...

>

> In any case now its better as Ketu antra is running after that...

> and is more in line.. but still I will think more over this in the

> this evening or tomorrow ... and pick it up from there.... I think

> we should study both ascendents.... just to make sure...

>

> Very interesting... :=)

>

> Thanks Krushnaji for posting this chart....

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " dirk & margarita

> lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > Hello Ash,

> > I also was wondering but then I thought Krushna spelled

something

> wrong in

> > the TOB because I'm also getting 10°28 pisces. So I played

around

> and am now

> > looking at a TOB for 18h50 of 6.50 pm. This gives asc 29°11

pisces

> and keeps

> > the marriage date in the right antra. I'v got Sun antra between

29

> september

> > 2002 and 30 march 2003. So I'm going to work on that because

> according to

> > the facts stated by Krushna it has to be pisces asc.

> > I cannot work on the chart right now but will pick it up this

> evening

> > Good luck

> > Margarita

> >

> > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 AM

> >

> > Re: Delayed marriage

chart -

> > Clarification on lagna

> >

> > Dear Krushnaji,

> > I casted the chart and before I go into it I wanted to

confirm.

> I

> > got lagna at 10Pi28 with Navasa rising as Libra.

> >

> > You have mentioned in this mail about lagna changing with 2/3

> mins

> > diff, this is not happening with the data given. Am I doing

> > something wrong ?

> >

> > Also another thing I wanted clarifications on is the planet

> getting

> > points.. Sun and Mars both are with 2 bindus and in 10th from

> Guru

> > but you had said that only 1 planet will get the points so in

> this

> > case since Sun and Mars both are with equal less bindus then

the

> > next step would be to check who is more malefic to the sign

its

> > placed in.. i this case then only Mars should get points, so

why

> > have you considered both Sun and Mars getting points from

Guru...

> > I need to clarify this basic doubt.

> >

> > I also have another question that you did not have after

looking

> at

> > the chart.

> >

> > This lady is born 2nd Oct 1972 so delay is there as Shani is

LOC

> and

> > it aspects LOA and LOB in Navamsa and no check from Guru is

> there so

> > fully delay so after 27.5 years the date falls to 2000/May.

> > This falls in Mercurys antra in the first part.

> >

> > Mercury being LOD and in House B vargottama... how come it did

> not

> > give results.

> >

> > After that its Ketus antra.. but why did u not consider

Mercurys

> > antra ? or what is also the reason why Marriage did not take

> place

> > in Mercury's antra ?

> >

> > I had these doubts and so I also posted them.. I shall study

> further

> > w.r.t. your questions regarding why Ketu's antra did not give

> > marriage ?

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " krushanain "

> > <krushanain> wrote:

> > > Dear members,

> > > Some 5 /6 days back one person met me. He was

looking

> in

> > > relaxed mood. He told me his daughter got married on 23rd

May

> > 2003. I

> > > remembered he had been to me some two years back, and shown

the

> > chart

> > > of his daughter. I asked him, if I had given him any date.

He

> said

> > > no. You have not given me any date. You have told that you

are

> > > confused, and told there must be some mistake in birth time.

> > > Following is the chart:

> > > D.O.B. 4th October 1972 B.T. 05:50 Pm (GMT + 5.5) Place:

> Satara,

> > > India (17 N 42, 74 E 02)

> > >

> > > This is a chart of Delayed marriage. Marriage must

be

> in

> > Ketu

> > > Anter. When he came to me, Ketu anter must have passed. I

might

> > be

> > > having the question, why she not married in Ketu anter?

> > > The lagna is on the boundry. With 2/3 min

difference it

> > > changes. She got married in Sun's Antra. Sun is sixth lord.

So

> no

> > > qualities of Sixth lord. But it is 12th lord from B. It is

> > samdharmi

> > > to Mars. Mars is having good strength, but having sight on

2nd

> > house.

> > > So it cant give the result it self. Sun is natural

samdharmi to

> > Mars,

> > > and also situated with Mars in 7th house.

> > > Sun is also with less points, and situated in the

10th

> > place

> > > from Jupiter. So this will also get strength from Jupiter.

Now

> > > considering Sun as a powerful planet for marriage, every

thing

> is

> > in

> > > the frame. Venus is weak for marriage. So marriage not

> happened

> > in

> > > Venus Sub.

> > > Still Problem for Ketu sub remained. It was

continued

> when

> > > the age of the girl was 27.5 year. wHY MARRIAGE NOT

HAPPENED IN

> > kETU

> > > sUB?

> > > krushna

> >

June 28, 2003

Hello Ash, Thanks for the mail. I see what you mean. If Sun is not spared of being 12th from B then things seem clear to me. Mars, Mercury are samdharmi to Sun in Rasi; Ketu and Jupiter are samdharmi to Sun in navamsa; so this then could be the reason why Ketu could not give results ???? If, like Krushna sates it's the Sun who get points from Jupiter, it gets 28 points for the 7th.

Best regaards

Margarita

ashsam73 [ashsam73]Friday, June 27, 2003 11:44 PM Subject: Re: Delayed marriage chart - Clarification on lagnaDear Margarita,For Pisces ascendent Sun is 6th lord and its placed in 7th house. But here Sun will not take the qualities of 6th lord, but still it is not spared by being 12th from B. Only for 7th house this is the case where 6th lord acts as both 6th lord as well as 12th from B.So there are 2 laws, one is for 6th lord characteristics which Sun and Moon do not take, but they are not spared as being 12th from 7th house. So the law of 12th from B in House B still applies which will reduce the happiness of 7th house but it will not act like 6th lord. So planet in 4th from it with more points will not get spoilt by becoming samdharmi to it. Yes the confusing part is if 12th from B gets points and becomes strong it will use its strength to further reduce the beneficiance of the house in this case 7th house because its 12th from B and not because its 6th lord.These are points I could think off, I am still pondering over it. Its quite late at night here so I shall think more about this tomorrow.I think this chart will exercise most of the laws taught lol.... a good exercise...Cheers !!!Ash , "dirk & margarita lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> Yes Ash, But I don't remember this mail about the delay. I was probably> somewhere and off the list for some time so it escaped me. I will "chew" on> this chart because there are some confusing remarks in Krushna's text . He> states "Sun is 6th lord. So no qualities of 6th lord. But it is 12th lord> from B". This is not correct for pisces asc. This is correct for Aries asc.> But then he says that Sun is situated with Mars in the 7th; so again this is> based on Pisces asc. I think we are missing something or otherwise there was> a confusion somewhere. Anyway, I will try to solve this problem> Best regards> Margarita> > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> Friday, June 27, 2003 12:01 PM> > Re: Delayed marriage chart -> Clarification on lagna> > > Dear Margarita,> > Yes, thanks with 18:50 this makes more sense. Now with this time I> get 29Pi15 and Navamsa of Pisces. Shani is still LOC and is> aspecting LOB and LOA in Navamsa. So full delay.> Also with this time my doubt about Mercury antra running at the time> of the native turning 27.5 is also kinda solved (though not fully)> as Mercury antra ends on 2000/06.> At the time she turns 27.5 its 4th April 2000. so just still 2> months are left of Mercury's antra.> > Now long time back I remember Krushnaji saying that if at the time> of delay getting over and if at that time it falls in the last 1/3rd> portion of the significator or powerful significator then the even> will not happen ???? I would like Krushnaji to confirm this part and> some reasoning behind this...> > In any case now its better as Ketu antra is running after that...> and is more in line.. but still I will think more over this in the> this evening or tomorrow ... and pick it up from there.... I think> we should study both ascendents.... just to make sure...> > Very interesting... :=)> > Thanks Krushnaji for posting this chart....> > Cheers !!!> Ash> > , "dirk & margarita> lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> > Hello Ash,> > I also was wondering but then I thought Krushna spelled something> wrong in> > the TOB because I'm also getting 10°28 pisces. So I played around> and am now> > looking at a TOB for 18h50 of 6.50 pm. This gives asc 29°11 pisces> and keeps> > the marriage date in the right antra. I'v got Sun antra between 29> september> > 2002 and 30 march 2003. So I'm going to work on that because> according to> > the facts stated by Krushna it has to be pisces asc.> > I cannot work on the chart right now but will pick it up this> evening> > Good luck> > Margarita> > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> > Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 AM> > > > Re: Delayed marriage chart -> > Clarification on lagna> >> >> > Dear Krushnaji,> > I casted the chart and before I go into it I wanted to confirm.> I> > got lagna at 10Pi28 with Navasa rising as Libra.> >> > You have mentioned in this mail about lagna changing with 2/3> mins> > diff, this is not happening with the data given. Am I doing> > something wrong ?> >> > Also another thing I wanted clarifications on is the planet> getting> > points.. Sun and Mars both are with 2 bindus and in 10th from> Guru> > but you had said that only 1 planet will get the points so in> this> > case since Sun and Mars both are with equal less bindus then the> > next step would be to check who is more malefic to the sign its> > placed in.. i this case then only Mars should get points, so why> > have you considered both Sun and Mars getting points from Guru...> > I need to clarify this basic doubt.> >> > I also have another question that you did not have after looking> at> > the chart.> >> > This lady is born 2nd Oct 1972 so delay is there as Shani is LOC> and> > it aspects LOA and LOB in Navamsa and no check from Guru is> there so> > fully delay so after 27.5 years the date falls to 2000/May.> > This falls in Mercurys antra in the first part.> >> > Mercury being LOD and in House B vargottama... how come it did> not> > give results.> >> > After that its Ketus antra.. but why did u not consider Mercurys> > antra ? or what is also the reason why Marriage did not take> place> > in Mercury's antra ?> >> > I had these doubts and so I also posted them.. I shall study> further> > w.r.t. your questions regarding why Ketu's antra did not give> > marriage ?> >> > Thanking you,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> >> > , "krushanain"> > <krushanain> wrote:> > > Dear members,> > > Some 5 /6 days back one person met me. He was looking> in> > > relaxed mood. He told me his daughter got married on 23rd May> > 2003. I> > > remembered he had been to me some two years back, and shown the> > chart> > > of his daughter. I asked him, if I had given him any date. He> said> > > no. You have not given me any date. You have told that you are> > > confused, and told there must be some mistake in birth time.> > > Following is the chart:> > > D.O.B. 4th October 1972 B.T. 05:50 Pm (GMT + 5.5) Place:> Satara,> > > India (17 N 42, 74 E 02)> > >> > > This is a chart of Delayed marriage. Marriage must be> in> > Ketu> > > Anter. When he came to me, Ketu anter must have passed. I might> > be> > > having the question, why she not married in Ketu anter?> > > The lagna is on the boundry. With 2/3 min difference it> > > changes. She got married in Sun's Antra. Sun is sixth lord. So> no> > > qualities of Sixth lord. But it is 12th lord from B. It is> > samdharmi> > > to Mars. Mars is having good strength, but having sight on 2nd> > house.> > > So it cant give the result it self. Sun is natural samdharmi to> > Mars,> > > and also situated with Mars in 7th house.> > > Sun is also with less points, and situated in the 10th> > place> > > from Jupiter. So this will also get strength from Jupiter. Now> > > considering Sun as a powerful planet for marriage, every thing> is> > in> > > the frame. Venus is weak for marriage. So marriage not> happened> > in> > > Venus Sub.> > > Still Problem for Ketu sub remained. It was continued> when> > > the age of the girl was 27.5 year. wHY MARRIAGE NOT HAPPENED IN> > kETU> > > sUB?> > > krushna> >> >> >

June 28, 2003

Dear Margartia,

I still have not got a chance to give more time to study the chart,

but if you take Aries lagna also 6th lord becomes Mercury. Ketu then

gets placed in Gemini in 3rd house so its samdharmi to 6th lord. In

that case I do not think the karak is spoilt so Ketu may delay

marriage and let its antra pass without giving marriage.

This is one point I thought of with Aries being lagna. One other

thing the delay factor with Aries lagna is not matching fully. Venus

i.e. 2nd and 7th lord is not aspected by Shani so I do not know with

that lagna can give so much delay....

Will think more on it and then write ..

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " dirk & margarita

lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> Hello Ash, Thanks for the mail. I see what you mean. If Sun is not

spared of

> being 12th from B then things seem clear to me. Mars, Mercury are

samdharmi

> to Sun in Rasi; Ketu and Jupiter are samdharmi to Sun in navamsa;

so this

> then could be the reason why Ketu could not give results ???? If,

like

> Krushna sates it's the Sun who get points from Jupiter, it gets 28

points

> for the 7th.

> Best regaards

> Margarita

>

> ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> Friday, June 27, 2003 11:44 PM

>

> Re: Delayed marriage chart -

> Clarification on lagna

>

> Dear Margarita,

> For Pisces ascendent Sun is 6th lord and its placed in 7th house.

> But here Sun will not take the qualities of 6th lord, but still

it is

> not spared by being 12th from B. Only for 7th house this is the

case

> where 6th lord acts as both 6th lord as well as 12th from B.

>

> So there are 2 laws, one is for 6th lord characteristics which Sun

> and Moon do not take, but they are not spared as being 12th from

7th

> house. So the law of 12th from B in House B still applies which

will

> reduce the happiness of 7th house but it will not act like 6th

lord.

> So planet in 4th from it with more points will not get spoilt by

> becoming samdharmi to it.

>

> Yes the confusing part is if 12th from B gets points and becomes

> strong it will use its strength to further reduce the

beneficiance of

> the house in this case 7th house because its 12th from B and not

> because its 6th lord.

>

> These are points I could think off, I am still pondering over it.

> Its quite late at night here so I shall think more about this

> tomorrow.

>

> I think this chart will exercise most of the laws taught lol.... a

> good exercise...

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " dirk & margarita

> lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > Yes Ash, But I don't remember this mail about the delay. I was

> probably

> > somewhere and off the list for some time so it escaped me. I

> will " chew " on

> > this chart because there are some confusing remarks in Krushna's

> text . He

> > states " Sun is 6th lord. So no qualities of 6th lord. But it is

> 12th lord

> > from B " . This is not correct for pisces asc. This is correct for

> Aries asc.

> > But then he says that Sun is situated with Mars in the 7th; so

> again this is

> > based on Pisces asc. I think we are missing something or

otherwise

> there was

> > a confusion somewhere. Anyway, I will try to solve this problem

> > Best regards

> > Margarita

> >

> > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > Friday, June 27, 2003 12:01 PM

> >

> > Re: Delayed marriage

chart -

> > Clarification on lagna

> >

> > Dear Margarita,

> >

> > Yes, thanks with 18:50 this makes more sense. Now with this

time

> I

> > get 29Pi15 and Navamsa of Pisces. Shani is still LOC and is

> > aspecting LOB and LOA in Navamsa. So full delay.

> > Also with this time my doubt about Mercury antra running at

the

> time

> > of the native turning 27.5 is also kinda solved (though not

fully)

> > as Mercury antra ends on 2000/06.

> > At the time she turns 27.5 its 4th April 2000. so just still

2

> > months are left of Mercury's antra.

> >

> > Now long time back I remember Krushnaji saying that if at the

time

> > of delay getting over and if at that time it falls in the last

> 1/3rd

> > portion of the significator or powerful significator then the

even

> > will not happen ???? I would like Krushnaji to confirm this

part

> and

> > some reasoning behind this...

> >

> > In any case now its better as Ketu antra is running after

that...

> > and is more in line.. but still I will think more over this

in the

> > this evening or tomorrow ... and pick it up from there.... I

think

> > we should study both ascendents.... just to make sure...

> >

> > Very interesting... :=)

> >

> > Thanks Krushnaji for posting this chart....

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " dirk &

margarita

> > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > Hello Ash,

> > > I also was wondering but then I thought Krushna spelled

> something

> > wrong in

> > > the TOB because I'm also getting 10°28 pisces. So I played

> around

> > and am now

> > > looking at a TOB for 18h50 of 6.50 pm. This gives asc 29°11

> pisces

> > and keeps

> > > the marriage date in the right antra. I'v got Sun antra

between

> 29

> > september

> > > 2002 and 30 march 2003. So I'm going to work on that because

> > according to

> > > the facts stated by Krushna it has to be pisces asc.

> > > I cannot work on the chart right now but will pick it up

this

> > evening

> > > Good luck

> > > Margarita

> > >

> > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 AM

> > >

> > > Re: Delayed marriage

> chart -

> > > Clarification on lagna

> > >

> > > Dear Krushnaji,

> > > I casted the chart and before I go into it I wanted to

> confirm.

> > I

> > > got lagna at 10Pi28 with Navasa rising as Libra.

> > >

> > > You have mentioned in this mail about lagna changing with

2/3

> > mins

> > > diff, this is not happening with the data given. Am I

doing

> > > something wrong ?

> > >

> > > Also another thing I wanted clarifications on is the

planet

> > getting

> > > points.. Sun and Mars both are with 2 bindus and in 10th

from

> > Guru

> > > but you had said that only 1 planet will get the points

so in

> > this

> > > case since Sun and Mars both are with equal less bindus

then

> the

> > > next step would be to check who is more malefic to the

sign

> its

> > > placed in.. i this case then only Mars should get points,

so

> why

> > > have you considered both Sun and Mars getting points from

> Guru...

> > > I need to clarify this basic doubt.

> > >

> > > I also have another question that you did not have after

> looking

> > at

> > > the chart.

> > >

> > > This lady is born 2nd Oct 1972 so delay is there as Shani

is

> LOC

> > and

> > > it aspects LOA and LOB in Navamsa and no check from Guru

is

> > there so

> > > fully delay so after 27.5 years the date falls to

2000/May.

> > > This falls in Mercurys antra in the first part.

> > >

> > > Mercury being LOD and in House B vargottama... how come

it did

> > not

> > > give results.

> > >

> > > After that its Ketus antra.. but why did u not consider

> Mercurys

> > > antra ? or what is also the reason why Marriage did not

take

> > place

> > > in Mercury's antra ?

> > >

> > > I had these doubts and so I also posted them.. I shall

study

> > further

> > > w.r.t. your questions regarding why Ketu's antra did not

give

> > > marriage ?

> > >

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > --- In

, " krushanain "

> > > <krushanain> wrote:

> > > > Dear members,

> > > > Some 5 /6 days back one person met me. He was

> looking

> > in

> > > > relaxed mood. He told me his daughter got married on

23rd

> May

> > > 2003. I

> > > > remembered he had been to me some two years back, and

shown

> the

> > > chart

> > > > of his daughter. I asked him, if I had given him any

date.

> He

> > said

> > > > no. You have not given me any date. You have told that

you

> are

> > > > confused, and told there must be some mistake in birth

time.

> > > > Following is the chart:

> > > > D.O.B. 4th October 1972 B.T. 05:50 Pm (GMT + 5.5) Place:

> > Satara,

> > > > India (17 N 42, 74 E 02)

> > > >

> > > > This is a chart of Delayed marriage. Marriage

must

> be

> > in

> > > Ketu

> > > > Anter. When he came to me, Ketu anter must have passed.

I

> might

> > > be

> > > > having the question, why she not married in Ketu anter?

> > > > The lagna is on the boundry. With 2/3 min

> difference it

> > > > changes. She got married in Sun's Antra. Sun is sixth

lord.

> So

> > no

> > > > qualities of Sixth lord. But it is 12th lord from B. It

is

> > > samdharmi

> > > > to Mars. Mars is having good strength, but having sight

on

> 2nd

> > > house.

> > > > So it cant give the result it self. Sun is natural

> samdharmi to

> > > Mars,

> > > > and also situated with Mars in 7th house.

> > > > Sun is also with less points, and situated in

the

> 10th

> > > place

> > > > from Jupiter. So this will also get strength from

Jupiter.

> Now

> > > > considering Sun as a powerful planet for marriage, every

> thing

> > is

> > > in

> > > > the frame. Venus is weak for marriage. So marriage not

> > happened

> > > in

> > > > Venus Sub.

> > > > Still Problem for Ketu sub remained. It was

> continued

> > when

> > > > the age of the girl was 27.5 year. wHY MARRIAGE NOT

> HAPPENED IN

> > > kETU

> > > > sUB?

> > > > krushna

> > >

June 28, 2003

Yes Ash, I also tried with Aries lagna but then the date of 23 march 2003 doesn't match the Sun sub period.

Krushna states that Mars is situated in the 7th house = OK for pisces asc

He also says that Sun is 12th from B = OK for pisces asc.

So I suppose we have to stick to the Pisces asc, also because she married in the last days of Moon/sun

Good luck , looking forward to read you

Margarita

ashsam73 [ashsam73]Saturday, June 28, 2003 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Delayed marriage chart - Clarification on lagnaDear Margartia,I still have not got a chance to give more time to study the chart, but if you take Aries lagna also 6th lord becomes Mercury. Ketu then gets placed in Gemini in 3rd house so its samdharmi to 6th lord. In that case I do not think the karak is spoilt so Ketu may delay marriage and let its antra pass without giving marriage.This is one point I thought of with Aries being lagna. One other thing the delay factor with Aries lagna is not matching fully. Venus i.e. 2nd and 7th lord is not aspected by Shani so I do not know with that lagna can give so much delay....Will think more on it and then write .. Thanks,Cheers !!!Ash , "dirk & margarita lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> Hello Ash, Thanks for the mail. I see what you mean. If Sun is not spared of> being 12th from B then things seem clear to me. Mars, Mercury are samdharmi> to Sun in Rasi; Ketu and Jupiter are samdharmi to Sun in navamsa; so this> then could be the reason why Ketu could not give results ???? If, like> Krushna sates it's the Sun who get points from Jupiter, it gets 28 points> for the 7th.> Best regaards> Margarita> > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> Friday, June 27, 2003 11:44 PM> > Re: Delayed marriage chart -> Clarification on lagna> > > Dear Margarita,> For Pisces ascendent Sun is 6th lord and its placed in 7th house.> But here Sun will not take the qualities of 6th lord, but still it is> not spared by being 12th from B. Only for 7th house this is the case> where 6th lord acts as both 6th lord as well as 12th from B.> > So there are 2 laws, one is for 6th lord characteristics which Sun> and Moon do not take, but they are not spared as being 12th from 7th> house. So the law of 12th from B in House B still applies which will> reduce the happiness of 7th house but it will not act like 6th lord.> So planet in 4th from it with more points will not get spoilt by> becoming samdharmi to it.> > Yes the confusing part is if 12th from B gets points and becomes> strong it will use its strength to further reduce the beneficiance of> the house in this case 7th house because its 12th from B and not> because its 6th lord.> > These are points I could think off, I am still pondering over it.> Its quite late at night here so I shall think more about this> tomorrow.> > I think this chart will exercise most of the laws taught lol.... a> good exercise...> > Cheers !!!> Ash> > , "dirk & margarita> lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> > Yes Ash, But I don't remember this mail about the delay. I was> probably> > somewhere and off the list for some time so it escaped me. I> will "chew" on> > this chart because there are some confusing remarks in Krushna's> text . He> > states "Sun is 6th lord. So no qualities of 6th lord. But it is> 12th lord> > from B". This is not correct for pisces asc. This is correct for> Aries asc.> > But then he says that Sun is situated with Mars in the 7th; so> again this is> > based on Pisces asc. I think we are missing something or otherwise> there was> > a confusion somewhere. Anyway, I will try to solve this problem> > Best regards> > Margarita> > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> > Friday, June 27, 2003 12:01 PM> > > > Re: Delayed marriage chart -> > Clarification on lagna> >> >> > Dear Margarita,> >> > Yes, thanks with 18:50 this makes more sense. Now with this time> I> > get 29Pi15 and Navamsa of Pisces. Shani is still LOC and is> > aspecting LOB and LOA in Navamsa. So full delay.> > Also with this time my doubt about Mercury antra running at the> time> > of the native turning 27.5 is also kinda solved (though not fully)> > as Mercury antra ends on 2000/06.> > At the time she turns 27.5 its 4th April 2000. so just still 2> > months are left of Mercury's antra.> >> > Now long time back I remember Krushnaji saying that if at the time> > of delay getting over and if at that time it falls in the last> 1/3rd> > portion of the significator or powerful significator then the even> > will not happen ???? I would like Krushnaji to confirm this part> and> > some reasoning behind this...> >> > In any case now its better as Ketu antra is running after that...> > and is more in line.. but still I will think more over this in the> > this evening or tomorrow ... and pick it up from there.... I think> > we should study both ascendents.... just to make sure...> >> > Very interesting... :=)> >> > Thanks Krushnaji for posting this chart....> >> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> >> > , "dirk & margarita> > lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> > > Hello Ash,> > > I also was wondering but then I thought Krushna spelled> something> > wrong in> > > the TOB because I'm also getting 10°28 pisces. So I played> around> > and am now> > > looking at a TOB for 18h50 of 6.50 pm. This gives asc 29°11> pisces> > and keeps> > > the marriage date in the right antra. I'v got Sun antra between> 29> > september> > > 2002 and 30 march 2003. So I'm going to work on that because> > according to> > > the facts stated by Krushna it has to be pisces asc.> > > I cannot work on the chart right now but will pick it up this> > evening> > > Good luck> > > Margarita> > > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> > > Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 AM> > > > > > Re: Delayed marriage> chart -> > > Clarification on lagna> > >> > >> > > Dear Krushnaji,> > > I casted the chart and before I go into it I wanted to> confirm.> > I> > > got lagna at 10Pi28 with Navasa rising as Libra.> > >> > > You have mentioned in this mail about lagna changing with 2/3> > mins> > > diff, this is not happening with the data given. Am I doing> > > something wrong ?> > >> > > Also another thing I wanted clarifications on is the planet> > getting> > > points.. Sun and Mars both are with 2 bindus and in 10th from> > Guru> > > but you had said that only 1 planet will get the points so in> > this> > > case since Sun and Mars both are with equal less bindus then> the> > > next step would be to check who is more malefic to the sign> its> > > placed in.. i this case then only Mars should get points, so> why> > > have you considered both Sun and Mars getting points from> Guru...> > > I need to clarify this basic doubt.> > >> > > I also have another question that you did not have after> looking> > at> > > the chart.> > >> > > This lady is born 2nd Oct 1972 so delay is there as Shani is> LOC> > and> > > it aspects LOA and LOB in Navamsa and no check from Guru is> > there so> > > fully delay so after 27.5 years the date falls to 2000/May.> > > This falls in Mercurys antra in the first part.> > >> > > Mercury being LOD and in House B vargottama... how come it did> > not> > > give results.> > >> > > After that its Ketus antra.. but why did u not consider> Mercurys> > > antra ? or what is also the reason why Marriage did not take> > place> > > in Mercury's antra ?> > >> > > I had these doubts and so I also posted them.. I shall study> > further> > > w.r.t. your questions regarding why Ketu's antra did not give> > > marriage ?> > >> > > Thanking you,> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash> > >> > > , "krushanain"> > > <krushanain> wrote:> > > > Dear members,> > > > Some 5 /6 days back one person met me. He was> looking> > in> > > > relaxed mood. He told me his daughter got married on 23rd> May> > > 2003. I> > > > remembered he had been to me some two years back, and shown> the> > > chart> > > > of his daughter. I asked him, if I had given him any date.> He> > said> > > > no. You have not given me any date. You have told that you> are> > > > confused, and told there must be some mistake in birth time.> > > > Following is the chart:> > > > D.O.B. 4th October 1972 B.T. 05:50 Pm (GMT + 5.5) Place:> > Satara,> > > > India (17 N 42, 74 E 02)> > > >> > > > This is a chart of Delayed marriage. Marriage must> be> > in> > > Ketu> > > > Anter. When he came to me, Ketu anter must have passed. I> might> > > be> > > > having the question, why she not married in Ketu anter?> > > > The lagna is on the boundry. With 2/3 min> difference it> > > > changes. She got married in Sun's Antra. Sun is sixth lord.> So> > no> > > > qualities of Sixth lord. But it is 12th lord from B. It is> > > samdharmi> > > > to Mars. Mars is having good strength, but having sight on> 2nd> > > house.> > > > So it cant give the result it self. Sun is natural> samdharmi to> > > Mars,> > > > and also situated with Mars in 7th house.> > > > Sun is also with less points, and situated in the> 10th> > > place> > > > from Jupiter. So this will also get strength from Jupiter.> Now> > > > considering Sun as a powerful planet for marriage, every> thing> > is> > > in> > > > the frame. Venus is weak for marriage. So marriage not> > happened> > > in> > > > Venus Sub.> > > > Still Problem for Ketu sub remained. It was> continued> > when> > > > the age of the girl was 27.5 year. wHY MARRIAGE NOT> HAPPENED IN> > > kETU> > > > sUB?> > > > krushna> > >> > >> > >

June 28, 2003

Dear Margarita,

Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions rather little

confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji to clarify the

same.

I shall try with Aries lagna first.

Aries lagna

-----------

1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all planets become

samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon, Saturn, Jupiter

are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord.

2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who are in 6th

house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its points. **Now

here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but should it give

to " ALL " planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get its points

making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will become samdharmi

to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam and so its

quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped up. So its

effects will be felt quite strongly.

3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has highest points

for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru going to Mars)

if that happens then *though* venus has less points only 4 in

worksheet for 7th house it should still give results being natural

samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus antra but it

happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....

3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we know planets in

6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more power to break

marriage rather than cause it.... ???

4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as well as Aries

so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should have caused an

early marraige .... ???

5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on delay marriage,

Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A and its LOC

but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so it should have

given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ??? So this part

is not matching... but with the same token mostly all planets are

samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ... here I still

do not know how to time the same when so many planets are samdharmi

to 6th lord...

6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent due to fact that

its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled by Mercury as

its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt i.e. NK and FK

both in this case being Venus

Pisces Lagna

------------

1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru is samdharmi

so its having check so this result of 12th from B in House B is under

check.

2) Here Mars period came early and being natural baramoter for female

sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???

3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT it has low

points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it cant give result

as it can only give results if it were to have points > 12. And

Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its better to not

have marriage in this antra.

4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17 points in the

worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it becomes even

more eager to give results.

5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and Jupiter in

Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the nodes that way

as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are ONLY samdharmi to

Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI chart ONLY ???

I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not considered the

samdharmi of nodes this way...???

6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa, Drekkhana and

Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik sthan ???

7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from Guru... as I

thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a planet and

planets in 10th were with less points then only 1 planet could get

points from planet in 4th and in this case that would be Mars so why

do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all planets get points

from planet in 10th ? Do all planets become " samdharmi " and only 1

planet get " points " from planet in 10th place and here in this case

its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I need

clarificaion ..... ???

I am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being able to give

results...

I am looking forward to the answer and some clarifications pleaes ?

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " dirk & margarita

lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> Yes Ash, I also tried with Aries lagna but then the date of 23

march 2003

> doesn't match the Sun sub period.

> Krushna states that Mars is situated in the 7th house = OK for

pisces asc

> He also says that Sun is 12th from B = OK for pisces asc.

> So I suppose we have to stick to the Pisces asc, also because she

married in

> the last days of Moon/sun

> Good luck , looking forward to read you

> Margarita

>

> ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> Saturday, June 28, 2003 6:56 PM

>

> Re: Delayed marriage chart -

> Clarification on lagna

>

> Dear Margartia,

> I still have not got a chance to give more time to study the

chart,

> but if you take Aries lagna also 6th lord becomes Mercury. Ketu

then

> gets placed in Gemini in 3rd house so its samdharmi to 6th lord.

In

> that case I do not think the karak is spoilt so Ketu may delay

> marriage and let its antra pass without giving marriage.

>

> This is one point I thought of with Aries being lagna. One other

> thing the delay factor with Aries lagna is not matching fully.

Venus

> i.e. 2nd and 7th lord is not aspected by Shani so I do not know

with

> that lagna can give so much delay....

>

> Will think more on it and then write ..

> Thanks,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " dirk & margarita

> lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > Hello Ash, Thanks for the mail. I see what you mean. If Sun is

not

> spared of

> > being 12th from B then things seem clear to me. Mars, Mercury

are

> samdharmi

> > to Sun in Rasi; Ketu and Jupiter are samdharmi to Sun in

navamsa;

> so this

> > then could be the reason why Ketu could not give results ????

If,

> like

> > Krushna sates it's the Sun who get points from Jupiter, it gets

28

> points

> > for the 7th.

> > Best regaards

> > Margarita

> >

> > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > Friday, June 27, 2003 11:44 PM

> >

> > Re: Delayed marriage

chart -

> > Clarification on lagna

> >

> > Dear Margarita,

> > For Pisces ascendent Sun is 6th lord and its placed in 7th

house.

> > But here Sun will not take the qualities of 6th lord, but

still

> it is

> > not spared by being 12th from B. Only for 7th house this is

the

> case

> > where 6th lord acts as both 6th lord as well as 12th from B.

> >

> > So there are 2 laws, one is for 6th lord characteristics

which Sun

> > and Moon do not take, but they are not spared as being 12th

from

> 7th

> > house. So the law of 12th from B in House B still applies

which

> will

> > reduce the happiness of 7th house but it will not act like 6th

> lord.

> > So planet in 4th from it with more points will not get spoilt

by

> > becoming samdharmi to it.

> >

> > Yes the confusing part is if 12th from B gets points and

becomes

> > strong it will use its strength to further reduce the

> beneficiance of

> > the house in this case 7th house because its 12th from B and

not

> > because its 6th lord.

> >

> > These are points I could think off, I am still pondering over

it.

> > Its quite late at night here so I shall think more about this

> > tomorrow.

> >

> > I think this chart will exercise most of the laws taught

lol.... a

> > good exercise...

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " dirk &

margarita

> > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > Yes Ash, But I don't remember this mail about the delay. I

was

> > probably

> > > somewhere and off the list for some time so it escaped me. I

> > will " chew " on

> > > this chart because there are some confusing remarks in

Krushna's

> > text . He

> > > states " Sun is 6th lord. So no qualities of 6th lord. But

it is

> > 12th lord

> > > from B " . This is not correct for pisces asc. This is

correct for

> > Aries asc.

> > > But then he says that Sun is situated with Mars in the 7th;

so

> > again this is

> > > based on Pisces asc. I think we are missing something or

> otherwise

> > there was

> > > a confusion somewhere. Anyway, I will try to solve this

problem

> > > Best regards

> > > Margarita

> > >

> > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > Friday, June 27, 2003 12:01 PM

> > >

> > > Re: Delayed marriage

> chart -

> > > Clarification on lagna

> > >

> > > Dear Margarita,

> > >

> > > Yes, thanks with 18:50 this makes more sense. Now with

this

> time

> > I

> > > get 29Pi15 and Navamsa of Pisces. Shani is still LOC and

is

> > > aspecting LOB and LOA in Navamsa. So full delay.

> > > Also with this time my doubt about Mercury antra running

at

> the

> > time

> > > of the native turning 27.5 is also kinda solved (though

not

> fully)

> > > as Mercury antra ends on 2000/06.

> > > At the time she turns 27.5 its 4th April 2000. so just

still

> 2

> > > months are left of Mercury's antra.

> > >

> > > Now long time back I remember Krushnaji saying that if at

the

> time

> > > of delay getting over and if at that time it falls in the

last

> > 1/3rd

> > > portion of the significator or powerful significator then

the

> even

> > > will not happen ???? I would like Krushnaji to confirm

this

> part

> > and

> > > some reasoning behind this...

> > >

> > > In any case now its better as Ketu antra is running after

> that...

> > > and is more in line.. but still I will think more over

this

> in the

> > > this evening or tomorrow ... and pick it up from

there.... I

> think

> > > we should study both ascendents.... just to make sure...

> > >

> > > Very interesting... :=)

> > >

> > > Thanks Krushnaji for posting this chart....

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " dirk &

> margarita

> > > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > > Hello Ash,

> > > > I also was wondering but then I thought Krushna spelled

> > something

> > > wrong in

> > > > the TOB because I'm also getting 10°28 pisces. So I

played

> > around

> > > and am now

> > > > looking at a TOB for 18h50 of 6.50 pm. This gives asc

29°11

> > pisces

> > > and keeps

> > > > the marriage date in the right antra. I'v got Sun antra

> between

> > 29

> > > september

> > > > 2002 and 30 march 2003. So I'm going to work on that

because

> > > according to

> > > > the facts stated by Krushna it has to be pisces asc.

> > > > I cannot work on the chart right now but will pick it up

> this

> > > evening

> > > > Good luck

> > > > Margarita

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > > Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 AM

> > > >

> > > > Re: Delayed

marriage

> > chart -

> > > > Clarification on lagna

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krushnaji,

> > > > I casted the chart and before I go into it I wanted to

> > confirm.

> > > I

> > > > got lagna at 10Pi28 with Navasa rising as Libra.

> > > >

> > > > You have mentioned in this mail about lagna changing

with

> 2/3

> > > mins

> > > > diff, this is not happening with the data given. Am I

> doing

> > > > something wrong ?

> > > >

> > > > Also another thing I wanted clarifications on is the

> planet

> > > getting

> > > > points.. Sun and Mars both are with 2 bindus and in

10th

> from

> > > Guru

> > > > but you had said that only 1 planet will get the

points

> so in

> > > this

> > > > case since Sun and Mars both are with equal less

bindus

> then

> > the

> > > > next step would be to check who is more malefic to the

> sign

> > its

> > > > placed in.. i this case then only Mars should get

points,

> so

> > why

> > > > have you considered both Sun and Mars getting points

from

> > Guru...

> > > > I need to clarify this basic doubt.

> > > >

> > > > I also have another question that you did not have

after

> > looking

> > > at

> > > > the chart.

> > > >

> > > > This lady is born 2nd Oct 1972 so delay is there as

Shani

> is

> > LOC

> > > and

> > > > it aspects LOA and LOB in Navamsa and no check from

Guru

> is

> > > there so

> > > > fully delay so after 27.5 years the date falls to

> 2000/May.

> > > > This falls in Mercurys antra in the first part.

> > > >

> > > > Mercury being LOD and in House B vargottama... how

come

> it did

> > > not

> > > > give results.

> > > >

> > > > After that its Ketus antra.. but why did u not

consider

> > Mercurys

> > > > antra ? or what is also the reason why Marriage did

not

> take

> > > place

> > > > in Mercury's antra ?

> > > >

> > > > I had these doubts and so I also posted them.. I shall

> study

> > > further

> > > > w.r.t. your questions regarding why Ketu's antra did

not

> give

> > > > marriage ?

> > > >

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> , " krushanain "

> > > > <krushanain> wrote:

> > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > Some 5 /6 days back one person met me. He

was

> > looking

> > > in

> > > > > relaxed mood. He told me his daughter got married on

> 23rd

> > May

> > > > 2003. I

> > > > > remembered he had been to me some two years back,

and

> shown

> > the

> > > > chart

> > > > > of his daughter. I asked him, if I had given him any

> date.

> > He

> > > said

> > > > > no. You have not given me any date. You have told

that

> you

> > are

> > > > > confused, and told there must be some mistake in

birth

> time.

> > > > > Following is the chart:

> > > > > D.O.B. 4th October 1972 B.T. 05:50 Pm (GMT + 5.5)

Place:

> > > Satara,

> > > > > India (17 N 42, 74 E 02)

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a chart of Delayed marriage.

Marriage

> must

> > be

> > > in

> > > > Ketu

> > > > > Anter. When he came to me, Ketu anter must have

passed.

> I

> > might

> > > > be

> > > > > having the question, why she not married in Ketu

anter?

> > > > > The lagna is on the boundry. With 2/3 min

> > difference it

> > > > > changes. She got married in Sun's Antra. Sun is

sixth

> lord.

> > So

> > > no

> > > > > qualities of Sixth lord. But it is 12th lord from

B. It

> is

> > > > samdharmi

> > > > > to Mars. Mars is having good strength, but having

sight

> on

> > 2nd

> > > > house.

> > > > > So it cant give the result it self. Sun is natural

> > samdharmi to

> > > > Mars,

> > > > > and also situated with Mars in 7th house.

> > > > > Sun is also with less points, and situated

in

> the

> > 10th

> > > > place

> > > > > from Jupiter. So this will also get strength from

> Jupiter.

> > Now

> > > > > considering Sun as a powerful planet for marriage,

every

> > thing

> > > is

> > > > in

> > > > > the frame. Venus is weak for marriage. So marriage

not

> > > happened

> > > > in

> > > > > Venus Sub.

> > > > > Still Problem for Ketu sub remained. It was

> > continued

> > > when

> > > > > the age of the girl was 27.5 year. wHY MARRIAGE NOT

> > HAPPENED IN

> > > > kETU

> > > > > sUB?

> > > > > krushna

> > > >

June 29, 2003

Hello Ash,

I write some comments in your text

ashsam73 [ashsam73]Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:06 PM Subject: Re: Delayed marriage chart - Clarification on lagna

Dear Margarita,Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions rather little confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji to clarify the same.I shall try with Aries lagna first.Aries lagna-----------

YES THIS IS TEMPTING BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF ALL PLANETS WITH 6TH LORD BUT ANTAR OF SUN DOESN'T FIT 1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all planets become samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon, Saturn, Jupiter are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord. 2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who are in 6th house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its points. **Now here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but should it give to "ALL" planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get its points making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will become samdharmi to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam and so its quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped up. So its effects will be felt quite strongly.

I THINK ONLY ONE PLANET CAN GET GURU'S POINTS. I CHOSE MARS BECAUSE HE SEEMS THE MOST MALEFIC BUT KRUSHNA STATES THAT THE POINTS WENT TO THE SUN. ANYWAY, IF MARS GETS DE POINTS SUN HAS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE EVENT HAPPEN IN HIS SUB AND AS SHE MARRIED IN SUN SUB THERE MUST BE AN OBSCURE REASON WHY SUN GOT THESE POINTS. 3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has highest points for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru going to Mars) if that happens then *though* venus has less points only 4 in worksheet for 7th house it should still give results being natural samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus antra but it happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we know planets in 6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more power to break marriage rather than cause it.... ??? 4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as well as Aries so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should have caused an early marraige .... ??? 5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on delay marriage, Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A and its LOC but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so it should have given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ??? So this part is not matching... but with the same token mostly all planets are samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ... here I still do not know how to time the same when so many planets are samdharmi to 6th lord...6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent due to fact that its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled by Mercury as its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt i.e. NK and FK both in this case being Venus Pisces Lagna------------1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru is samdharmi so its having check so this result of 12th from B in House B is under check.2) Here Mars period came early and being natural baramoter for female sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???

IF SUN GETS THE POINTS MARS IS NOT SO STRONG 3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT it has low points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it cant give result as it can only give results if it were to have points > 12. And Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its better to not have marriage in this antra.4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17 points in the worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it becomes even more eager to give results. 5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and Jupiter in Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the nodes that way as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are ONLY samdharmi to Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI chart ONLY ??? I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not considered the samdharmi of nodes this way...??? I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT? KETU IS ONLY SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY AND JUPITER BUT THIS GIVES NO EXPLANATION WHY KETU DID'T GIVE THE RESULT SO I HOPED FOR THE SUN ?????? !!!!!!! BUT THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING OF MAY PART6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa, Drekkhana and Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik sthan ???7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from Guru... as I thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a planet and planets in 10th were with less points then only 1 planet could get points from planet in 4th and in this case that would be Mars so why do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all planets get points from planet in 10th ? Do all planets become "samdharmi" and only 1 planet get "points" from planet in 10th place and here in this case its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I need clarificaion ..... ??? I WAS READING THIS SECTION AGAIN IN THE LESSONS / ONLY ONE PLANET GETS THE POINTS AND IT4S THE MOST MALEFIC. I THINK MARS IS MORE MALEFIC TO MERCURY THAN THE SUN, WE HAVER TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS MATTERI am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being able to give results... I am looking forward to the answer and some clarifications pleaes ? WELL ASH, I3M IN THE SAME FIX AS YOU ARE. PROBABLY WE ARE OVERLOOKING THE MOST OBVIOUS FACTOR OR THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE CHART OR THE TOB, REMEMBER I ADAPTED IT BECAUSE THE ONE KRUSHNA GAVE FELL IN 10° PISCES ANED DID NOT MATCH HIS SAYING : "WITH CORRECTION OF 2/3 MINUTES ASC CHANGES."

I ASKED KRUSHNA TO HELP US OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. I HOPE HE FINDS TIME

BEST REGARDS

MARGARITA Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash , "dirk & margarita lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> Yes Ash, I also tried with Aries lagna but then the date of 23 march 2003> doesn't match the Sun sub period.> Krushna states that Mars is situated in the 7th house = OK for pisces asc> He also says that Sun is 12th from B = OK for pisces asc.> So I suppose we have to stick to the Pisces asc, also because she married in> the last days of Moon/sun> Good luck , looking forward to read you> Margarita> > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> Saturday, June 28, 2003 6:56 PM> > Re: Delayed marriage chart -> Clarification on lagna> > > Dear Margartia,> I still have not got a chance to give more time to study the chart,> but if you take Aries lagna also 6th lord becomes Mercury. Ketu then> gets placed in Gemini in 3rd house so its samdharmi to 6th lord. In> that case I do not think the karak is spoilt so Ketu may delay> marriage and let its antra pass without giving marriage.> > This is one point I thought of with Aries being lagna. One other> thing the delay factor with Aries lagna is not matching fully. Venus> i.e. 2nd and 7th lord is not aspected by Shani so I do not know with> that lagna can give so much delay....> > Will think more on it and then write ..> Thanks,> Cheers !!!> Ash> > , "dirk & margarita> lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> > Hello Ash, Thanks for the mail. I see what you mean. If Sun is not> spared of> > being 12th from B then things seem clear to me. Mars, Mercury are> samdharmi> > to Sun in Rasi; Ketu and Jupiter are samdharmi to Sun in navamsa;> so this> > then could be the reason why Ketu could not give results ???? If,> like> > Krushna sates it's the Sun who get points from Jupiter, it gets 28> points> > for the 7th.> > Best regaards> > Margarita> > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> > Friday, June 27, 2003 11:44 PM> > > > Re: Delayed marriage chart -> > Clarification on lagna> >> >> > Dear Margarita,> > For Pisces ascendent Sun is 6th lord and its placed in 7th house.> > But here Sun will not take the qualities of 6th lord, but still> it is> > not spared by being 12th from B. Only for 7th house this is the> case> > where 6th lord acts as both 6th lord as well as 12th from B.> >> > So there are 2 laws, one is for 6th lord characteristics which Sun> > and Moon do not take, but they are not spared as being 12th from> 7th> > house. So the law of 12th from B in House B still applies which> will> > reduce the happiness of 7th house but it will not act like 6th> lord.> > So planet in 4th from it with more points will not get spoilt by> > becoming samdharmi to it.> >> > Yes the confusing part is if 12th from B gets points and becomes> > strong it will use its strength to further reduce the> beneficiance of> > the house in this case 7th house because its 12th from B and not> > because its 6th lord.> >> > These are points I could think off, I am still pondering over it.> > Its quite late at night here so I shall think more about this> > tomorrow.> >> > I think this chart will exercise most of the laws taught lol.... a> > good exercise...> >> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> >> > , "dirk & margarita> > lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> > > Yes Ash, But I don't remember this mail about the delay. I was> > probably> > > somewhere and off the list for some time so it escaped me. I> > will "chew" on> > > this chart because there are some confusing remarks in Krushna's> > text . He> > > states "Sun is 6th lord. So no qualities of 6th lord. But it is> > 12th lord> > > from B". This is not correct for pisces asc. This is correct for> > Aries asc.> > > But then he says that Sun is situated with Mars in the 7th; so> > again this is> > > based on Pisces asc. I think we are missing something or> otherwise> > there was> > > a confusion somewhere. Anyway, I will try to solve this problem> > > Best regards> > > Margarita> > > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> > > Friday, June 27, 2003 12:01 PM> > > > > > Re: Delayed marriage> chart -> > > Clarification on lagna> > >> > >> > > Dear Margarita,> > >> > > Yes, thanks with 18:50 this makes more sense. Now with this> time> > I> > > get 29Pi15 and Navamsa of Pisces. Shani is still LOC and is> > > aspecting LOB and LOA in Navamsa. So full delay.> > > Also with this time my doubt about Mercury antra running at> the> > time> > > of the native turning 27.5 is also kinda solved (though not> fully)> > > as Mercury antra ends on 2000/06.> > > At the time she turns 27.5 its 4th April 2000. so just still> 2> > > months are left of Mercury's antra.> > >> > > Now long time back I remember Krushnaji saying that if at the> time> > > of delay getting over and if at that time it falls in the last> > 1/3rd> > > portion of the significator or powerful significator then the> even> > > will not happen ???? I would like Krushnaji to confirm this> part> > and> > > some reasoning behind this...> > >> > > In any case now its better as Ketu antra is running after> that...> > > and is more in line.. but still I will think more over this> in the> > > this evening or tomorrow ... and pick it up from there.... I> think> > > we should study both ascendents.... just to make sure...> > >> > > Very interesting... :=)> > >> > > Thanks Krushnaji for posting this chart....> > >> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash> > >> > > , "dirk & > margarita> > > lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> > > > Hello Ash,> > > > I also was wondering but then I thought Krushna spelled> > something> > > wrong in> > > > the TOB because I'm also getting 10°28 pisces. So I played> > around> > > and am now> > > > looking at a TOB for 18h50 of 6.50 pm. This gives asc 29°11> > pisces> > > and keeps> > > > the marriage date in the right antra. I'v got Sun antra> between> > 29> > > september> > > > 2002 and 30 march 2003. So I'm going to work on that because> > > according to> > > > the facts stated by Krushna it has to be pisces asc.> > > > I cannot work on the chart right now but will pick it up> this> > > evening> > > > Good luck> > > > Margarita> > > > > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> > > > Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 AM> > > > > > > > Re: Delayed marriage> > chart -> > > > Clarification on lagna> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Krushnaji,> > > > I casted the chart and before I go into it I wanted to> > confirm.> > > I> > > > got lagna at 10Pi28 with Navasa rising as Libra.> > > >> > > > You have mentioned in this mail about lagna changing with> 2/3> > > mins> > > > diff, this is not happening with the data given. Am I> doing> > > > something wrong ?> > > >> > > > Also another thing I wanted clarifications on is the> planet> > > getting> > > > points.. Sun and Mars both are with 2 bindus and in 10th> from> > > Guru> > > > but you had said that only 1 planet will get the points> so in> > > this> > > > case since Sun and Mars both are with equal less bindus> then> > the> > > > next step would be to check who is more malefic to the> sign> > its> > > > placed in.. i this case then only Mars should get points,> so> > why> > > > have you considered both Sun and Mars getting points from> > Guru...> > > > I need to clarify this basic doubt.> > > >> > > > I also have another question that you did not have after> > looking> > > at> > > > the chart.> > > >> > > > This lady is born 2nd Oct 1972 so delay is there as Shani> is> > LOC> > > and> > > > it aspects LOA and LOB in Navamsa and no check from Guru> is> > > there so> > > > fully delay so after 27.5 years the date falls to> 2000/May.> > > > This falls in Mercurys antra in the first part.> > > >> > > > Mercury being LOD and in House B vargottama... how come> it did> > > not> > > > give results.> > > >> > > > After that its Ketus antra.. but why did u not consider> > Mercurys> > > > antra ? or what is also the reason why Marriage did not> take> > > place> > > > in Mercury's antra ?> > > >> > > > I had these doubts and so I also posted them.. I shall> study> > > further> > > > w.r.t. your questions regarding why Ketu's antra did not> give> > > > marriage ?> > > >> > > > Thanking you,> > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash> > > >> > > > --- In> , "krushanain"> > > > <krushanain> wrote:> > > > > Dear members,> > > > > Some 5 /6 days back one person met me. He was> > looking> > > in> > > > > relaxed mood. He told me his daughter got married on> 23rd> > May> > > > 2003. I> > > > > remembered he had been to me some two years back, and> shown> > the> > > > chart> > > > > of his daughter. I asked him, if I had given him any> date.> > He> > > said> > > > > no. You have not given me any date. You have told that> you> > are> > > > > confused, and told there must be some mistake in birth> time.> > > > > Following is the chart:> > > > > D.O.B. 4th October 1972 B.T. 05:50 Pm (GMT + 5.5) Place:> > > Satara,> > > > > India (17 N 42, 74 E 02)> > > > >> > > > > This is a chart of Delayed marriage. Marriage> must> > be> > > in> > > > Ketu> > > > > Anter. When he came to me, Ketu anter must have passed.> I> > might> > > > be> > > > > having the question, why she not married in Ketu anter?> > > > > The lagna is on the boundry. With 2/3 min> > difference it> > > > > changes. She got married in Sun's Antra. Sun is sixth> lord.> > So> > > no> > > > > qualities of Sixth lord. But it is 12th lord from B. It> is> > > > samdharmi> > > > > to Mars. Mars is having good strength, but having sight> on> > 2nd> > > > house.> > > > > So it cant give the result it self. Sun is natural> > samdharmi to> > > > Mars,> > > > > and also situated with Mars in 7th house.> > > > > Sun is also with less points, and situated in> the> > 10th> > > > place> > > > > from Jupiter. So this will also get strength from> Jupiter.> > Now> > > > > considering Sun as a powerful planet for marriage, every> > thing> > > is> > > > in> > > > > the frame. Venus is weak for marriage. So marriage not> > > happened> > > > in> > > > > Venus Sub.> > > > > Still Problem for Ketu sub remained. It was> > continued> > > when> > > > > the age of the girl was 27.5 year. wHY MARRIAGE NOT> > HAPPENED IN> > > > kETU> > > > > sUB?> > > > > krushna> > > >> > > >> > > >

June 29, 2003

Dear Margarita,

Thanks for your feedback. Yes I agree with you. There must be

something that we are overlooking.

I am eagerly waiting for Krushnajis answer and explanation of a few

basic concepts clarifications brought to surface with this exercise.

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " dirk & margarita

lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> Hello Ash,

> I write some comments in your text

>

> ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:06 PM

>

> Re: Delayed marriage chart -

> Clarification on lagna

>

> Dear Margarita,

>

> Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions rather

little

> confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji to clarify

the

> same.

>

> I shall try with Aries lagna first.

>

> Aries lagna

> -----------

> YES THIS IS TEMPTING BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF ALL PLANETS

WITH 6TH

> LORD BUT ANTAR OF SUN DOESN'T FIT

>

> 1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all planets

become

> samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon, Saturn,

Jupiter

> are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord.

>

> 2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who are in 6th

> house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its points. **Now

> here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but should it give

> to " ALL " planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get its points

> making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will become

samdharmi

> to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam and so its

> quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped up. So its

> effects will be felt quite strongly.

> I THINK ONLY ONE PLANET CAN GET GURU'S POINTS. I CHOSE MARS

BECAUSE HE

> SEEMS THE MOST MALEFIC BUT KRUSHNA STATES THAT THE POINTS WENT TO

THE SUN.

> ANYWAY, IF MARS GETS DE POINTS SUN HAS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE EVENT

HAPPEN IN

> HIS SUB AND AS SHE MARRIED IN SUN SUB THERE MUST BE AN OBSCURE

REASON WHY

> SUN GOT THESE POINTS.

>

> 3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has highest points

> for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru going to

Mars)

> if that happens then *though* venus has less points only 4 in

> worksheet for 7th house it should still give results being natural

> samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus antra but it

> happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....

>

> 3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we know planets

in

> 6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more power to

break

> marriage rather than cause it.... ???

>

> 4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as well as

Aries

> so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should have

caused an

> early marraige .... ???

>

> 5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on delay

marriage,

> Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A and its LOC

> but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so it should

have

> given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ??? So this

part

> is not matching... but with the same token mostly all planets are

> samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ... here I

still

> do not know how to time the same when so many planets are

samdharmi

> to 6th lord...

>

> 6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent due to fact

that

> its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled by Mercury

as

> its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt i.e. NK and

FK

> both in this case being Venus

>

> Pisces Lagna

> ------------

>

> 1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru is

samdharmi

> so its having check so this result of 12th from B in House B is

under

> check.

>

> 2) Here Mars period came early and being natural baramoter for

female

> sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???

> IF SUN GETS THE POINTS MARS IS NOT SO STRONG

>

> 3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT it has low

> points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it cant give

result

> as it can only give results if it were to have points > 12. And

> Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its better to not

> have marriage in this antra.

>

> 4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17 points in the

> worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it becomes

even

> more eager to give results.

>

> 5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and Jupiter in

> Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the nodes that

way

> as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are ONLY

samdharmi to

> Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI chart

ONLY ???

> I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not considered the

> samdharmi of nodes this way...???

> I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT? KETU IS ONLY SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY AND

JUPITER BUT

> THIS GIVES NO EXPLANATION WHY KETU DID'T GIVE THE RESULT SO I HOPED

FOR THE

> SUN ?????? !!!!!!! BUT THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING OF MAY PART

> 6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa, Drekkhana and

> Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik sthan ???

>

> 7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from Guru... as I

> thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a planet and

> planets in 10th were with less points then only 1 planet could get

> points from planet in 4th and in this case that would be Mars so

why

> do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all planets get

points

> from planet in 10th ? Do all planets become " samdharmi " and only

1

> planet get " points " from planet in 10th place and here in this

case

> its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I need

> clarificaion ..... ???

> I WAS READING THIS SECTION AGAIN IN THE LESSONS / ONLY ONE

PLANET GETS

> THE POINTS AND IT4S THE MOST MALEFIC. I THINK MARS IS MORE MALEFIC

TO

> MERCURY THAN THE SUN, WE HAVER TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS MATTER

> I am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being able to

give

> results...

>

> I am looking forward to the answer and some clarifications

pleaes ?

> WELL ASH, I3M IN THE SAME FIX AS YOU ARE. PROBABLY WE ARE

OVERLOOKING THE

> MOST OBVIOUS FACTOR OR THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE CHART OR

THE TOB,

> REMEMBER I ADAPTED IT BECAUSE THE ONE KRUSHNA GAVE FELL IN 10°

PISCES ANED

> DID NOT MATCH HIS SAYING : " WITH CORRECTION OF 2/3 MINUTES ASC

CHANGES. "

> I ASKED KRUSHNA TO HELP US OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. I HOPE HE FINDS

TIME

> BEST REGARDS

> MARGARITA

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

June 29, 2003

Dear Margarita, Ash, and other Members,

The chart given is for delayed marriage. Saturn is the main

cause for delay. ( Mars, Mercury, lords of A and B are under

influence of Satrun)

In Ketu Antar native had completed the delay period. Ketu

represents Me and Ju. Which are having Good points. At the same time

they are lords of Lagna and 7th house. Ketu represents both houses.

When two planets are lords of opposite places they are not friens and

even not samdharmi. (If Venus is in 7th from Saturn it is not

considered as samdharmi.)

In this perticular case Ketu is situated in house D. So as

per general rule it should give the result. ( if rahu or Ketu are

situated in D or E, they give the result on preority) In the last 10

degrees of Gemini Ketu represents Me and Ju. For Pisces asc.

perticularly This Ketu can not give the result.

Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage, but

it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars, and

also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

happened in the last 1/3 of Sun.

When her father had been to me he told me the time near about

7 o clock. It gives Arises asc. All the planets are having good

strength for 7th house except Venus. (Venus is 2nd lord and becames

weak, But it is also NK) In that case marriage must have been

performed in Ketu sub. So I got confused, and told him, There must be

difference in time.

When actual result happened, I asked him chart. He given me

and the time given in chart is 6:50 PM. With this time every thing

changed.

This is a very special case of Ketu, in Gemini and for Pisces

Ascendant, where Ketu can not give the result.

Members should not get confused I.E. Rahu Ketu in Cancer in

3:20 to 16:40, Or in Capricorn 10:00 to 23:20. In these situation

they can not represent B and 7th lord from house B.

A good churning of opinions, but no body touched 1:7 lord

ship. Any how now this will not be forgotten in future.

thanks

krushna

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> Dear Margarita,

> Thanks for your feedback. Yes I agree with you. There must be

> something that we are overlooking.

> I am eagerly waiting for Krushnajis answer and explanation of a few

> basic concepts clarifications brought to surface with this exercise.

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " dirk & margarita

> lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > Hello Ash,

> > I write some comments in your text

> >

> > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:06 PM

> >

> > Re: Delayed marriage chart -

> > Clarification on lagna

> >

> > Dear Margarita,

> >

> > Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions rather

> little

> > confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji to

clarify

> the

> > same.

> >

> > I shall try with Aries lagna first.

> >

> > Aries lagna

> > -----------

> > YES THIS IS TEMPTING BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF ALL PLANETS

> WITH 6TH

> > LORD BUT ANTAR OF SUN DOESN'T FIT

> >

> > 1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all planets

> become

> > samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon, Saturn,

> Jupiter

> > are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord.

> >

> > 2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who are in

6th

> > house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its points.

**Now

> > here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but should it give

> > to " ALL " planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get its points

> > making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will become

> samdharmi

> > to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam and so its

> > quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped up. So

its

> > effects will be felt quite strongly.

> > I THINK ONLY ONE PLANET CAN GET GURU'S POINTS. I CHOSE MARS

> BECAUSE HE

> > SEEMS THE MOST MALEFIC BUT KRUSHNA STATES THAT THE POINTS WENT TO

> THE SUN.

> > ANYWAY, IF MARS GETS DE POINTS SUN HAS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE EVENT

> HAPPEN IN

> > HIS SUB AND AS SHE MARRIED IN SUN SUB THERE MUST BE AN OBSCURE

> REASON WHY

> > SUN GOT THESE POINTS.

> >

> > 3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has highest

points

> > for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru going to

> Mars)

> > if that happens then *though* venus has less points only 4 in

> > worksheet for 7th house it should still give results being

natural

> > samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus antra but it

> > happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....

> >

> > 3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we know

planets

> in

> > 6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more power to

> break

> > marriage rather than cause it.... ???

> >

> > 4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as well as

> Aries

> > so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should have

> caused an

> > early marraige .... ???

> >

> > 5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on delay

> marriage,

> > Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A and its

LOC

> > but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so it

should

> have

> > given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ??? So this

> part

> > is not matching... but with the same token mostly all planets

are

> > samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ... here I

> still

> > do not know how to time the same when so many planets are

> samdharmi

> > to 6th lord...

> >

> > 6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent due to

fact

> that

> > its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled by

Mercury

> as

> > its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt i.e. NK

and

> FK

> > both in this case being Venus

> >

> > Pisces Lagna

> > ------------

> >

> > 1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru is

> samdharmi

> > so its having check so this result of 12th from B in House B is

> under

> > check.

> >

> > 2) Here Mars period came early and being natural baramoter for

> female

> > sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???

> > IF SUN GETS THE POINTS MARS IS NOT SO STRONG

> >

> > 3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT it has low

> > points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it cant give

> result

> > as it can only give results if it were to have points > 12. And

> > Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its better to

not

> > have marriage in this antra.

> >

> > 4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17 points in the

> > worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it becomes

> even

> > more eager to give results.

> >

> > 5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and Jupiter in

> > Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the nodes that

> way

> > as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are ONLY

> samdharmi to

> > Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI chart

> ONLY ???

> > I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not considered the

> > samdharmi of nodes this way...???

> > I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT? KETU IS ONLY SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY AND

> JUPITER BUT

> > THIS GIVES NO EXPLANATION WHY KETU DID'T GIVE THE RESULT SO I

HOPED

> FOR THE

> > SUN ?????? !!!!!!! BUT THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING OF MAY PART

> > 6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa, Drekkhana and

> > Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik sthan ???

> >

> > 7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from Guru... as

I

> > thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a planet and

> > planets in 10th were with less points then only 1 planet could

get

> > points from planet in 4th and in this case that would be Mars

so

> why

> > do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all planets get

> points

> > from planet in 10th ? Do all planets become " samdharmi " and

only

> 1

> > planet get " points " from planet in 10th place and here in this

> case

> > its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I need

> > clarificaion ..... ???

> > I WAS READING THIS SECTION AGAIN IN THE LESSONS / ONLY ONE

> PLANET GETS

> > THE POINTS AND IT4S THE MOST MALEFIC. I THINK MARS IS MORE

MALEFIC

> TO

> > MERCURY THAN THE SUN, WE HAVER TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS MATTER

> > I am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being able to

> give

> > results...

> >

> > I am looking forward to the answer and some clarifications

> pleaes ?

> > WELL ASH, I3M IN THE SAME FIX AS YOU ARE. PROBABLY WE ARE

> OVERLOOKING THE

> > MOST OBVIOUS FACTOR OR THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE CHART

OR

> THE TOB,

> > REMEMBER I ADAPTED IT BECAUSE THE ONE KRUSHNA GAVE FELL IN 10°

> PISCES ANED

> > DID NOT MATCH HIS SAYING : " WITH CORRECTION OF 2/3 MINUTES ASC

> CHANGES. "

> > I ASKED KRUSHNA TO HELP US OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. I HOPE HE

FINDS

> TIME

> > BEST REGARDS

> > MARGARITA

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

June 29, 2003

Thank you so much Krushna for this explanation on Rahu Ketu. Yes, I got it but could never have guessed that myself. Well at least I learned something new

Thanks and best regards

Margarita

krushanain [krushanain]Sunday, June 29, 2003 9:10 PM Subject: Re: Delayed marriage chart - Clarification on lagnaDear Margarita, Ash, and other Members, The chart given is for delayed marriage. Saturn is the main cause for delay. ( Mars, Mercury, lords of A and B are under influence of Satrun) In Ketu Antar native had completed the delay period. Ketu represents Me and Ju. Which are having Good points. At the same time they are lords of Lagna and 7th house. Ketu represents both houses. When two planets are lords of opposite places they are not friens and even not samdharmi. (If Venus is in 7th from Saturn it is not considered as samdharmi.) In this perticular case Ketu is situated in house D. So as per general rule it should give the result. ( if rahu or Ketu are situated in D or E, they give the result on preority) In the last 10 degrees of Gemini Ketu represents Me and Ju. For Pisces asc. perticularly This Ketu can not give the result. Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage, but it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars, and also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage happened in the last 1/3 of Sun. When her father had been to me he told me the time near about 7 o clock. It gives Arises asc. All the planets are having good strength for 7th house except Venus. (Venus is 2nd lord and becames weak, But it is also NK) In that case marriage must have been performed in Ketu sub. So I got confused, and told him, There must be difference in time. When actual result happened, I asked him chart. He given me and the time given in chart is 6:50 PM. With this time every thing changed. This is a very special case of Ketu, in Gemini and for Pisces Ascendant, where Ketu can not give the result. Members should not get confused I.E. Rahu Ketu in Cancer in 3:20 to 16:40, Or in Capricorn 10:00 to 23:20. In these situation they can not represent B and 7th lord from house B. A good churning of opinions, but no body touched 1:7 lord ship. Any how now this will not be forgotten in future. thankskrushna , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...> wrote:> Dear Margarita,> Thanks for your feedback. Yes I agree with you. There must be > something that we are overlooking. > I am eagerly waiting for Krushnajis answer and explanation of a few > basic concepts clarifications brought to surface with this exercise.> Thanking you,> Cheers !!!> Ash> > , "dirk & margarita > lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> > Hello Ash,> > I write some comments in your text> > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> > Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:06 PM> > > > Re: Delayed marriage chart -> > Clarification on lagna> > > > > > Dear Margarita,> > > > Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions rather > little> > confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji to clarify > the> > same.> > > > I shall try with Aries lagna first.> > > > Aries lagna> > -----------> > YES THIS IS TEMPTING BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF ALL PLANETS > WITH 6TH> > LORD BUT ANTAR OF SUN DOESN'T FIT> > > > 1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all planets > become> > samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon, Saturn, > Jupiter> > are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord.> > > > 2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who are in 6th> > house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its points. **Now> > here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but should it give> > to "ALL" planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get its points> > making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will become > samdharmi> > to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam and so its> > quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped up. So its> > effects will be felt quite strongly.> > I THINK ONLY ONE PLANET CAN GET GURU'S POINTS. I CHOSE MARS > BECAUSE HE> > SEEMS THE MOST MALEFIC BUT KRUSHNA STATES THAT THE POINTS WENT TO > THE SUN.> > ANYWAY, IF MARS GETS DE POINTS SUN HAS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE EVENT > HAPPEN IN> > HIS SUB AND AS SHE MARRIED IN SUN SUB THERE MUST BE AN OBSCURE > REASON WHY> > SUN GOT THESE POINTS.> > > > 3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has highest points> > for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru going to > Mars)> > if that happens then *though* venus has less points only 4 in> > worksheet for 7th house it should still give results being natural> > samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus antra but it> > happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....> > > > 3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we know planets > in> > 6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more power to > break> > marriage rather than cause it.... ???> > > > 4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as well as > Aries> > so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should have > caused an> > early marraige .... ???> > > > 5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on delay > marriage,> > Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A and its LOC> > but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so it should > have> > given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ??? So this > part> > is not matching... but with the same token mostly all planets are> > samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ... here I > still> > do not know how to time the same when so many planets are > samdharmi> > to 6th lord...> > > > 6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent due to fact > that> > its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled by Mercury > as> > its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt i.e. NK and > FK> > both in this case being Venus> > > > Pisces Lagna> > ------------> > > > 1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru is > samdharmi> > so its having check so this result of 12th from B in House B is > under> > check.> > > > 2) Here Mars period came early and being natural baramoter for > female> > sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???> > IF SUN GETS THE POINTS MARS IS NOT SO STRONG> > > > 3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT it has low> > points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it cant give > result> > as it can only give results if it were to have points > 12. And> > Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its better to not> > have marriage in this antra.> > > > 4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17 points in the> > worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it becomes > even> > more eager to give results.> > > > 5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and Jupiter in> > Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the nodes that > way> > as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are ONLY > samdharmi to> > Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI chart > ONLY ???> > I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not considered the> > samdharmi of nodes this way...???> > I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT? KETU IS ONLY SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY AND > JUPITER BUT> > THIS GIVES NO EXPLANATION WHY KETU DID'T GIVE THE RESULT SO I HOPED > FOR THE> > SUN ?????? !!!!!!! BUT THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING OF MAY PART> > 6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa, Drekkhana and> > Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik sthan ???> > > > 7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from Guru... as I> > thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a planet and> > planets in 10th were with less points then only 1 planet could get> > points from planet in 4th and in this case that would be Mars so > why> > do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all planets get > points> > from planet in 10th ? Do all planets become "samdharmi" and only > 1> > planet get "points" from planet in 10th place and here in this > case> > its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I need> > clarificaion ..... ???> > I WAS READING THIS SECTION AGAIN IN THE LESSONS / ONLY ONE > PLANET GETS> > THE POINTS AND IT4S THE MOST MALEFIC. I THINK MARS IS MORE MALEFIC > TO> > MERCURY THAN THE SUN, WE HAVER TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS MATTER> > I am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being able to > give> > results...> > > > I am looking forward to the answer and some clarifications > pleaes ?> > WELL ASH, I3M IN THE SAME FIX AS YOU ARE. PROBABLY WE ARE > OVERLOOKING THE> > MOST OBVIOUS FACTOR OR THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE CHART OR > THE TOB,> > REMEMBER I ADAPTED IT BECAUSE THE ONE KRUSHNA GAVE FELL IN 10° > PISCES ANED> > DID NOT MATCH HIS SAYING : "WITH CORRECTION OF 2/3 MINUTES ASC > CHANGES."> > I ASKED KRUSHNA TO HELP US OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. I HOPE HE FINDS > TIME> > BEST REGARDS> > MARGARITA> > Thanking you,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> >

June 29, 2003

Dear Krushnaji,

Thank you for your answer. Yes I also could not have thought of this

and its good we made mistake so we will not forget this going

foward. It does make logical sense to what you said.

I guess you must have read the other points of confusion in the email

raised my Margarita and Myself, so I guess this is the best way to

learn which is practically and by solving more charts.

I shall work on the second chart you have given. Thank you for

giving these charts to practice.

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " krushanain "

<krushanain> wrote:

> Dear Margarita, Ash, and other Members,

> The chart given is for delayed marriage. Saturn is the

main

> cause for delay. ( Mars, Mercury, lords of A and B are under

> influence of Satrun)

> In Ketu Antar native had completed the delay period. Ketu

> represents Me and Ju. Which are having Good points. At the same

time

> they are lords of Lagna and 7th house. Ketu represents both houses.

> When two planets are lords of opposite places they are not friens

and

> even not samdharmi. (If Venus is in 7th from Saturn it is not

> considered as samdharmi.)

> In this perticular case Ketu is situated in house D. So as

> per general rule it should give the result. ( if rahu or Ketu are

> situated in D or E, they give the result on preority) In the last

10

> degrees of Gemini Ketu represents Me and Ju. For Pisces asc.

> perticularly This Ketu can not give the result.

> Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage, but

> it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars, and

> also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

> happened in the last 1/3 of Sun.

> When her father had been to me he told me the time near

about

> 7 o clock. It gives Arises asc. All the planets are having good

> strength for 7th house except Venus. (Venus is 2nd lord and becames

> weak, But it is also NK) In that case marriage must have been

> performed in Ketu sub. So I got confused, and told him, There must

be

> difference in time.

> When actual result happened, I asked him chart. He given me

> and the time given in chart is 6:50 PM. With this time every thing

> changed.

> This is a very special case of Ketu, in Gemini and for

Pisces

> Ascendant, where Ketu can not give the result.

> Members should not get confused I.E. Rahu Ketu in Cancer in

> 3:20 to 16:40, Or in Capricorn 10:00 to 23:20. In these situation

> they can not represent B and 7th lord from house B.

>

> A good churning of opinions, but no body touched 1:7 lord

> ship. Any how now this will not be forgotten in future.

> thanks

> krushna

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Margarita,

> > Thanks for your feedback. Yes I agree with you. There must be

> > something that we are overlooking.

> > I am eagerly waiting for Krushnajis answer and explanation of a

few

> > basic concepts clarifications brought to surface with this

exercise.

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " dirk &

margarita

> > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > Hello Ash,

> > > I write some comments in your text

> > >

> > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:06 PM

> > >

> > > Re: Delayed marriage

chart -

> > > Clarification on lagna

> > >

> > > Dear Margarita,

> > >

> > > Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions

rather

> > little

> > > confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji to

> clarify

> > the

> > > same.

> > >

> > > I shall try with Aries lagna first.

> > >

> > > Aries lagna

> > > -----------

> > > YES THIS IS TEMPTING BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF ALL

PLANETS

> > WITH 6TH

> > > LORD BUT ANTAR OF SUN DOESN'T FIT

> > >

> > > 1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all

planets

> > become

> > > samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon, Saturn,

> > Jupiter

> > > are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord.

> > >

> > > 2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who are in

> 6th

> > > house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its points.

> **Now

> > > here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but should it

give

> > > to " ALL " planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get its

points

> > > making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will become

> > samdharmi

> > > to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam and so

its

> > > quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped up.

So

> its

> > > effects will be felt quite strongly.

> > > I THINK ONLY ONE PLANET CAN GET GURU'S POINTS. I CHOSE MARS

> > BECAUSE HE

> > > SEEMS THE MOST MALEFIC BUT KRUSHNA STATES THAT THE POINTS WENT

TO

> > THE SUN.

> > > ANYWAY, IF MARS GETS DE POINTS SUN HAS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE EVENT

> > HAPPEN IN

> > > HIS SUB AND AS SHE MARRIED IN SUN SUB THERE MUST BE AN OBSCURE

> > REASON WHY

> > > SUN GOT THESE POINTS.

> > >

> > > 3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has highest

> points

> > > for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru going to

> > Mars)

> > > if that happens then *though* venus has less points only 4 in

> > > worksheet for 7th house it should still give results being

> natural

> > > samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus antra but

it

> > > happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....

> > >

> > > 3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we know

> planets

> > in

> > > 6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more power to

> > break

> > > marriage rather than cause it.... ???

> > >

> > > 4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as well

as

> > Aries

> > > so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should have

> > caused an

> > > early marraige .... ???

> > >

> > > 5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on delay

> > marriage,

> > > Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A and

its

> LOC

> > > but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so it

> should

> > have

> > > given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ??? So

this

> > part

> > > is not matching... but with the same token mostly all planets

> are

> > > samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ... here

I

> > still

> > > do not know how to time the same when so many planets are

> > samdharmi

> > > to 6th lord...

> > >

> > > 6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent due to

> fact

> > that

> > > its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled by

> Mercury

> > as

> > > its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt i.e. NK

> and

> > FK

> > > both in this case being Venus

> > >

> > > Pisces Lagna

> > > ------------

> > >

> > > 1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru is

> > samdharmi

> > > so its having check so this result of 12th from B in House B

is

> > under

> > > check.

> > >

> > > 2) Here Mars period came early and being natural baramoter

for

> > female

> > > sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???

> > > IF SUN GETS THE POINTS MARS IS NOT SO STRONG

> > >

> > > 3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT it has

low

> > > points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it cant give

> > result

> > > as it can only give results if it were to have points > 12.

And

> > > Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its better

to

> not

> > > have marriage in this antra.

> > >

> > > 4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17 points in

the

> > > worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it

becomes

> > even

> > > more eager to give results.

> > >

> > > 5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and Jupiter in

> > > Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the nodes

that

> > way

> > > as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are ONLY

> > samdharmi to

> > > Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI chart

> > ONLY ???

> > > I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not considered the

> > > samdharmi of nodes this way...???

> > > I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT? KETU IS ONLY SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY AND

> > JUPITER BUT

> > > THIS GIVES NO EXPLANATION WHY KETU DID'T GIVE THE RESULT SO I

> HOPED

> > FOR THE

> > > SUN ?????? !!!!!!! BUT THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING OF MAY PART

> > > 6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa, Drekkhana and

> > > Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik

sthan ???

> > >

> > > 7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from Guru...

as

> I

> > > thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a planet

and

> > > planets in 10th were with less points then only 1 planet

could

> get

> > > points from planet in 4th and in this case that would be Mars

> so

> > why

> > > do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all planets

get

> > points

> > > from planet in 10th ? Do all planets become " samdharmi " and

> only

> > 1

> > > planet get " points " from planet in 10th place and here in

this

> > case

> > > its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I need

> > > clarificaion ..... ???

> > > I WAS READING THIS SECTION AGAIN IN THE LESSONS / ONLY ONE

> > PLANET GETS

> > > THE POINTS AND IT4S THE MOST MALEFIC. I THINK MARS IS MORE

> MALEFIC

> > TO

> > > MERCURY THAN THE SUN, WE HAVER TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS MATTER

> > > I am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being able

to

> > give

> > > results...

> > >

> > > I am looking forward to the answer and some clarifications

> > pleaes ?

> > > WELL ASH, I3M IN THE SAME FIX AS YOU ARE. PROBABLY WE ARE

> > OVERLOOKING THE

> > > MOST OBVIOUS FACTOR OR THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE CHART

> OR

> > THE TOB,

> > > REMEMBER I ADAPTED IT BECAUSE THE ONE KRUSHNA GAVE FELL IN 10°

> > PISCES ANED

> > > DID NOT MATCH HIS SAYING : " WITH CORRECTION OF 2/3 MINUTES ASC

> > CHANGES. "

> > > I ASKED KRUSHNA TO HELP US OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. I HOPE HE

> FINDS

> > TIME

> > > BEST REGARDS

> > > MARGARITA

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

July 2, 2003

Dear Krushnaji and Margarita,

I was thinking more about this Ketu in special case.

Such a Ketu if its in sign and constellation of Mercury and Guru

then such a Ketu cannot come forward for ANY event. So such a Ketu

basically is Defunct. I mean it will not give any result for any

event ?

So in such charts do we even have to consider Ketu ? In this chart

Ketu is in 4th house it will be of no use ?

Similarly for Rahu too if it were to be placed instead of Ketu same

thing.. it would still represents Mercury and Guru and since Merc

and Guru are not Samdharmi due to being enemies so Rahu cannot come

forward for any Event ?

Such a Rahu or Ketu in 4th for female charts also may not give

conception as its in House E for 11th house and its House D for 7th

house ?

Would it be correct to say that such a ketu or rahu in

sign/constellation of planets that are 1:7 or enemies become

defunct ?

How do we consider such a Ketu / Rahu for their Karaktwa i.e.

Mahadasha ?

Is my understanding correct ?

I am sure I will have more questions as I think more about this ....

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " krushanain "

<krushanain> wrote:

> Dear Margarita, Ash, and other Members,

> The chart given is for delayed marriage. Saturn is the

main

> cause for delay. ( Mars, Mercury, lords of A and B are under

> influence of Satrun)

> In Ketu Antar native had completed the delay period. Ketu

> represents Me and Ju. Which are having Good points. At the same

time

> they are lords of Lagna and 7th house. Ketu represents both

houses.

> When two planets are lords of opposite places they are not friens

and

> even not samdharmi. (If Venus is in 7th from Saturn it is not

> considered as samdharmi.)

> In this perticular case Ketu is situated in house D. So as

> per general rule it should give the result. ( if rahu or Ketu are

> situated in D or E, they give the result on preority) In the last

10

> degrees of Gemini Ketu represents Me and Ju. For Pisces asc.

> perticularly This Ketu can not give the result.

> Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage,

but

> it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars,

and

> also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

> happened in the last 1/3 of Sun.

> When her father had been to me he told me the time near

about

> 7 o clock. It gives Arises asc. All the planets are having good

> strength for 7th house except Venus. (Venus is 2nd lord and

becames

> weak, But it is also NK) In that case marriage must have been

> performed in Ketu sub. So I got confused, and told him, There must

be

> difference in time.

> When actual result happened, I asked him chart. He given

me

> and the time given in chart is 6:50 PM. With this time every thing

> changed.

> This is a very special case of Ketu, in Gemini and for

Pisces

> Ascendant, where Ketu can not give the result.

> Members should not get confused I.E. Rahu Ketu in Cancer

in

> 3:20 to 16:40, Or in Capricorn 10:00 to 23:20. In these situation

> they can not represent B and 7th lord from house B.

>

> A good churning of opinions, but no body touched 1:7 lord

> ship. Any how now this will not be forgotten in future.

> thanks

> krushna

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Margarita,

> > Thanks for your feedback. Yes I agree with you. There must be

> > something that we are overlooking.

> > I am eagerly waiting for Krushnajis answer and explanation of a

few

> > basic concepts clarifications brought to surface with this

exercise.

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " dirk &

margarita

> > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > Hello Ash,

> > > I write some comments in your text

> > >

> > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:06 PM

> > >

> > > Re: Delayed marriage

chart -

> > > Clarification on lagna

> > >

> > > Dear Margarita,

> > >

> > > Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions

rather

> > little

> > > confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji to

> clarify

> > the

> > > same.

> > >

> > > I shall try with Aries lagna first.

> > >

> > > Aries lagna

> > > -----------

> > > YES THIS IS TEMPTING BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF ALL

PLANETS

> > WITH 6TH

> > > LORD BUT ANTAR OF SUN DOESN'T FIT

> > >

> > > 1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all

planets

> > become

> > > samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon, Saturn,

> > Jupiter

> > > are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord.

> > >

> > > 2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who are

in

> 6th

> > > house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its points.

> **Now

> > > here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but should it

give

> > > to " ALL " planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get its

points

> > > making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will become

> > samdharmi

> > > to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam and so

its

> > > quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped up.

So

> its

> > > effects will be felt quite strongly.

> > > I THINK ONLY ONE PLANET CAN GET GURU'S POINTS. I CHOSE MARS

> > BECAUSE HE

> > > SEEMS THE MOST MALEFIC BUT KRUSHNA STATES THAT THE POINTS WENT

TO

> > THE SUN.

> > > ANYWAY, IF MARS GETS DE POINTS SUN HAS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE

EVENT

> > HAPPEN IN

> > > HIS SUB AND AS SHE MARRIED IN SUN SUB THERE MUST BE AN OBSCURE

> > REASON WHY

> > > SUN GOT THESE POINTS.

> > >

> > > 3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has highest

> points

> > > for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru going

to

> > Mars)

> > > if that happens then *though* venus has less points only 4 in

> > > worksheet for 7th house it should still give results being

> natural

> > > samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus antra

but it

> > > happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....

> > >

> > > 3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we know

> planets

> > in

> > > 6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more power

to

> > break

> > > marriage rather than cause it.... ???

> > >

> > > 4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as well

as

> > Aries

> > > so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should have

> > caused an

> > > early marraige .... ???

> > >

> > > 5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on delay

> > marriage,

> > > Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A and

its

> LOC

> > > but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so it

> should

> > have

> > > given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ??? So

this

> > part

> > > is not matching... but with the same token mostly all

planets

> are

> > > samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ... here

I

> > still

> > > do not know how to time the same when so many planets are

> > samdharmi

> > > to 6th lord...

> > >

> > > 6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent due to

> fact

> > that

> > > its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled by

> Mercury

> > as

> > > its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt i.e.

NK

> and

> > FK

> > > both in this case being Venus

> > >

> > > Pisces Lagna

> > > ------------

> > >

> > > 1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru is

> > samdharmi

> > > so its having check so this result of 12th from B in House B

is

> > under

> > > check.

> > >

> > > 2) Here Mars period came early and being natural baramoter

for

> > female

> > > sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???

> > > IF SUN GETS THE POINTS MARS IS NOT SO STRONG

> > >

> > > 3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT it has

low

> > > points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it cant

give

> > result

> > > as it can only give results if it were to have points > 12.

And

> > > Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its better

to

> not

> > > have marriage in this antra.

> > >

> > > 4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17 points in

the

> > > worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it

becomes

> > even

> > > more eager to give results.

> > >

> > > 5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and Jupiter

in

> > > Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the nodes

that

> > way

> > > as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are ONLY

> > samdharmi to

> > > Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI chart

> > ONLY ???

> > > I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not considered the

> > > samdharmi of nodes this way...???

> > > I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT? KETU IS ONLY SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY

AND

> > JUPITER BUT

> > > THIS GIVES NO EXPLANATION WHY KETU DID'T GIVE THE RESULT SO I

> HOPED

> > FOR THE

> > > SUN ?????? !!!!!!! BUT THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING OF MAY PART

> > > 6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa, Drekkhana

and

> > > Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik

sthan ???

> > >

> > > 7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from Guru...

as

> I

> > > thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a planet

and

> > > planets in 10th were with less points then only 1 planet

could

> get

> > > points from planet in 4th and in this case that would be

Mars

> so

> > why

> > > do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all planets

get

> > points

> > > from planet in 10th ? Do all planets become " samdharmi " and

> only

> > 1

> > > planet get " points " from planet in 10th place and here in

this

> > case

> > > its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I need

> > > clarificaion ..... ???

> > > I WAS READING THIS SECTION AGAIN IN THE LESSONS / ONLY ONE

> > PLANET GETS

> > > THE POINTS AND IT4S THE MOST MALEFIC. I THINK MARS IS MORE

> MALEFIC

> > TO

> > > MERCURY THAN THE SUN, WE HAVER TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS MATTER

> > > I am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being able

to

> > give

> > > results...

> > >

> > > I am looking forward to the answer and some clarifications

> > pleaes ?

> > > WELL ASH, I3M IN THE SAME FIX AS YOU ARE. PROBABLY WE ARE

> > OVERLOOKING THE

> > > MOST OBVIOUS FACTOR OR THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE

CHART

> OR

> > THE TOB,

> > > REMEMBER I ADAPTED IT BECAUSE THE ONE KRUSHNA GAVE FELL IN 10°

> > PISCES ANED

> > > DID NOT MATCH HIS SAYING : " WITH CORRECTION OF 2/3 MINUTES ASC

> > CHANGES. "

> > > I ASKED KRUSHNA TO HELP US OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. I HOPE HE

> FINDS

> > TIME

> > > BEST REGARDS

> > > MARGARITA

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

July 2, 2003

Hello Ash,

I think that Ketu denies results in this particular case for delayed marriage because he represent 1st and 7 lords. I suppose that for another asc Ketu could have given results for marriage. I will try to check the charts I have and see if something turns up. I myself have such a Ketu but for 3/9 axis. Looking back at my own kety antars, I would qualify them as periods were "exterior circumstances were limiting my actions".

It's a good question Ash and I hope Krushna will bring some more explanation

Best regards

Margarita

ashsam73 [ashsam73]Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Delayed marriage chart - Clarification on lagnaDear Krushnaji and Margarita,I was thinking more about this Ketu in special case.Such a Ketu if its in sign and constellation of Mercury and Guru then such a Ketu cannot come forward for ANY event. So such a Ketu basically is Defunct. I mean it will not give any result for any event ?So in such charts do we even have to consider Ketu ? In this chart Ketu is in 4th house it will be of no use ?Similarly for Rahu too if it were to be placed instead of Ketu same thing.. it would still represents Mercury and Guru and since Merc and Guru are not Samdharmi due to being enemies so Rahu cannot come forward for any Event ? Such a Rahu or Ketu in 4th for female charts also may not give conception as its in House E for 11th house and its House D for 7th house ?Would it be correct to say that such a ketu or rahu in sign/constellation of planets that are 1:7 or enemies become defunct ?How do we consider such a Ketu / Rahu for their Karaktwa i.e. Mahadasha ? Is my understanding correct ?I am sure I will have more questions as I think more about this .... Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash , "krushanain" <krushanain> wrote:> Dear Margarita, Ash, and other Members,> The chart given is for delayed marriage. Saturn is the main > cause for delay. ( Mars, Mercury, lords of A and B are under > influence of Satrun) > In Ketu Antar native had completed the delay period. Ketu > represents Me and Ju. Which are having Good points. At the same time > they are lords of Lagna and 7th house. Ketu represents both houses. > When two planets are lords of opposite places they are not friens and > even not samdharmi. (If Venus is in 7th from Saturn it is not > considered as samdharmi.) > In this perticular case Ketu is situated in house D. So as > per general rule it should give the result. ( if rahu or Ketu are > situated in D or E, they give the result on preority) In the last 10 > degrees of Gemini Ketu represents Me and Ju. For Pisces asc. > perticularly This Ketu can not give the result. > Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage, but > it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars, and > also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage > happened in the last 1/3 of Sun. > When her father had been to me he told me the time near about > 7 o clock. It gives Arises asc. All the planets are having good > strength for 7th house except Venus. (Venus is 2nd lord and becames > weak, But it is also NK) In that case marriage must have been > performed in Ketu sub. So I got confused, and told him, There must be > difference in time. > When actual result happened, I asked him chart. He given me > and the time given in chart is 6:50 PM. With this time every thing > changed. > This is a very special case of Ketu, in Gemini and for Pisces > Ascendant, where Ketu can not give the result. > Members should not get confused I.E. Rahu Ketu in Cancer in > 3:20 to 16:40, Or in Capricorn 10:00 to 23:20. In these situation > they can not represent B and 7th lord from house B.> > A good churning of opinions, but no body touched 1:7 lord > ship. Any how now this will not be forgotten in future. > thanks> krushna > > > , "ashsam73" > <ashsam73@h...> wrote:> > Dear Margarita,> > Thanks for your feedback. Yes I agree with you. There must be > > something that we are overlooking. > > I am eagerly waiting for Krushnajis answer and explanation of a few > > basic concepts clarifications brought to surface with this exercise.> > Thanking you,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> > > > , "dirk & margarita > > lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> > > Hello Ash,> > > I write some comments in your text> > > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> > > Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:06 PM> > > > > > Re: Delayed marriage chart -> > > Clarification on lagna> > > > > > > > > Dear Margarita,> > > > > > Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions rather > > little> > > confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji to > clarify > > the> > > same.> > > > > > I shall try with Aries lagna first.> > > > > > Aries lagna> > > -----------> > > YES THIS IS TEMPTING BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF ALL PLANETS > > WITH 6TH> > > LORD BUT ANTAR OF SUN DOESN'T FIT> > > > > > 1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all planets > > become> > > samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon, Saturn, > > Jupiter> > > are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord.> > > > > > 2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who are in > 6th> > > house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its points. > **Now> > > here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but should it give> > > to "ALL" planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get its points> > > making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will become > > samdharmi> > > to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam and so its> > > quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped up. So > its> > > effects will be felt quite strongly.> > > I THINK ONLY ONE PLANET CAN GET GURU'S POINTS. I CHOSE MARS > > BECAUSE HE> > > SEEMS THE MOST MALEFIC BUT KRUSHNA STATES THAT THE POINTS WENT TO > > THE SUN.> > > ANYWAY, IF MARS GETS DE POINTS SUN HAS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE EVENT > > HAPPEN IN> > > HIS SUB AND AS SHE MARRIED IN SUN SUB THERE MUST BE AN OBSCURE > > REASON WHY> > > SUN GOT THESE POINTS.> > > > > > 3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has highest > points> > > for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru going to > > Mars)> > > if that happens then *though* venus has less points only 4 in> > > worksheet for 7th house it should still give results being > natural> > > samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus antra but it> > > happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....> > > > > > 3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we know > planets > > in> > > 6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more power to > > break> > > marriage rather than cause it.... ???> > > > > > 4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as well as > > Aries> > > so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should have > > caused an> > > early marraige .... ???> > > > > > 5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on delay > > marriage,> > > Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A and its > LOC> > > but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so it > should > > have> > > given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ??? So this > > part> > > is not matching... but with the same token mostly all planets > are> > > samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ... here I > > still> > > do not know how to time the same when so many planets are > > samdharmi> > > to 6th lord...> > > > > > 6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent due to > fact > > that> > > its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled by > Mercury > > as> > > its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt i.e. NK > and > > FK> > > both in this case being Venus> > > > > > Pisces Lagna> > > ------------> > > > > > 1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru is > > samdharmi> > > so its having check so this result of 12th from B in House B is > > under> > > check.> > > > > > 2) Here Mars period came early and being natural baramoter for > > female> > > sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???> > > IF SUN GETS THE POINTS MARS IS NOT SO STRONG> > > > > > 3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT it has low> > > points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it cant give > > result> > > as it can only give results if it were to have points > 12. And> > > Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its better to > not> > > have marriage in this antra.> > > > > > 4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17 points in the> > > worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it becomes > > even> > > more eager to give results.> > > > > > 5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and Jupiter in> > > Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the nodes that > > way> > > as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are ONLY > > samdharmi to> > > Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI chart > > ONLY ???> > > I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not considered the> > > samdharmi of nodes this way...???> > > I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT? KETU IS ONLY SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY AND > > JUPITER BUT> > > THIS GIVES NO EXPLANATION WHY KETU DID'T GIVE THE RESULT SO I > HOPED > > FOR THE> > > SUN ?????? !!!!!!! BUT THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING OF MAY PART> > > 6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa, Drekkhana and> > > Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik sthan ???> > > > > > 7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from Guru... as > I> > > thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a planet and> > > planets in 10th were with less points then only 1 planet could > get> > > points from planet in 4th and in this case that would be Mars > so > > why> > > do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all planets get > > points> > > from planet in 10th ? Do all planets become "samdharmi" and > only > > 1> > > planet get "points" from planet in 10th place and here in this > > case> > > its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I need> > > clarificaion ..... ???> > > I WAS READING THIS SECTION AGAIN IN THE LESSONS / ONLY ONE > > PLANET GETS> > > THE POINTS AND IT4S THE MOST MALEFIC. I THINK MARS IS MORE > MALEFIC > > TO> > > MERCURY THAN THE SUN, WE HAVER TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS MATTER> > > I am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being able to > > give> > > results...> > > > > > I am looking forward to the answer and some clarifications > > pleaes ?> > > WELL ASH, I3M IN THE SAME FIX AS YOU ARE. PROBABLY WE ARE > > OVERLOOKING THE> > > MOST OBVIOUS FACTOR OR THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE CHART > OR > > THE TOB,> > > REMEMBER I ADAPTED IT BECAUSE THE ONE KRUSHNA GAVE FELL IN 10° > > PISCES ANED> > > DID NOT MATCH HIS SAYING : "WITH CORRECTION OF 2/3 MINUTES ASC > > CHANGES."> > > I ASKED KRUSHNA TO HELP US OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. I HOPE HE > FINDS > > TIME> > > BEST REGARDS> > > MARGARITA> > > Thanking you,> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash> > >

July 2, 2003

Dear Ash,

Ketu which represents two planets in 1:7 relation ship,

then it will not give the result only for the house B whose lord is

one of the planet represented by Ketu.

krushna

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> Dear Krushnaji and Margarita,

> I was thinking more about this Ketu in special case.

> Such a Ketu if its in sign and constellation of Mercury and Guru

> then such a Ketu cannot come forward for ANY event. So such a Ketu

> basically is Defunct. I mean it will not give any result for any

> event ?

> So in such charts do we even have to consider Ketu ? In this chart

> Ketu is in 4th house it will be of no use ?

> Similarly for Rahu too if it were to be placed instead of Ketu same

> thing.. it would still represents Mercury and Guru and since Merc

> and Guru are not Samdharmi due to being enemies so Rahu cannot come

> forward for any Event ?

> Such a Rahu or Ketu in 4th for female charts also may not give

> conception as its in House E for 11th house and its House D for

7th

> house ?

>

> Would it be correct to say that such a ketu or rahu in

> sign/constellation of planets that are 1:7 or enemies become

> defunct ?

>

> How do we consider such a Ketu / Rahu for their Karaktwa i.e.

> Mahadasha ?

>

> Is my understanding correct ?

>

> I am sure I will have more questions as I think more about

this ....

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " krushanain "

> <krushanain> wrote:

> > Dear Margarita, Ash, and other Members,

> > The chart given is for delayed marriage. Saturn is the

> main

> > cause for delay. ( Mars, Mercury, lords of A and B are under

> > influence of Satrun)

> > In Ketu Antar native had completed the delay period.

Ketu

> > represents Me and Ju. Which are having Good points. At the same

> time

> > they are lords of Lagna and 7th house. Ketu represents both

> houses.

> > When two planets are lords of opposite places they are not friens

> and

> > even not samdharmi. (If Venus is in 7th from Saturn it is not

> > considered as samdharmi.)

> > In this perticular case Ketu is situated in house D. So

as

> > per general rule it should give the result. ( if rahu or Ketu are

> > situated in D or E, they give the result on preority) In the last

> 10

> > degrees of Gemini Ketu represents Me and Ju. For Pisces asc.

> > perticularly This Ketu can not give the result.

> > Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage,

> but

> > it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars,

> and

> > also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

> > happened in the last 1/3 of Sun.

> > When her father had been to me he told me the time near

> about

> > 7 o clock. It gives Arises asc. All the planets are having good

> > strength for 7th house except Venus. (Venus is 2nd lord and

> becames

> > weak, But it is also NK) In that case marriage must have been

> > performed in Ketu sub. So I got confused, and told him, There

must

> be

> > difference in time.

> > When actual result happened, I asked him chart. He given

> me

> > and the time given in chart is 6:50 PM. With this time every

thing

> > changed.

> > This is a very special case of Ketu, in Gemini and for

> Pisces

> > Ascendant, where Ketu can not give the result.

> > Members should not get confused I.E. Rahu Ketu in Cancer

> in

> > 3:20 to 16:40, Or in Capricorn 10:00 to 23:20. In these

situation

> > they can not represent B and 7th lord from house B.

> >

> > A good churning of opinions, but no body touched 1:7 lord

> > ship. Any how now this will not be forgotten in future.

> > thanks

> > krushna

> >

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > > Dear Margarita,

> > > Thanks for your feedback. Yes I agree with you. There must be

> > > something that we are overlooking.

> > > I am eagerly waiting for Krushnajis answer and explanation of a

> few

> > > basic concepts clarifications brought to surface with this

> exercise.

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " dirk &

> margarita

> > > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > > Hello Ash,

> > > > I write some comments in your text

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > > Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:06 PM

> > > >

> > > > Re: Delayed marriage

> chart -

> > > > Clarification on lagna

> > > >

> > > > Dear Margarita,

> > > >

> > > > Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions

> rather

> > > little

> > > > confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji to

> > clarify

> > > the

> > > > same.

> > > >

> > > > I shall try with Aries lagna first.

> > > >

> > > > Aries lagna

> > > > -----------

> > > > YES THIS IS TEMPTING BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF ALL

> PLANETS

> > > WITH 6TH

> > > > LORD BUT ANTAR OF SUN DOESN'T FIT

> > > >

> > > > 1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all

> planets

> > > become

> > > > samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon,

Saturn,

> > > Jupiter

> > > > are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who are

> in

> > 6th

> > > > house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its points.

> > **Now

> > > > here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but should it

> give

> > > > to " ALL " planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get its

> points

> > > > making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will become

> > > samdharmi

> > > > to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam and

so

> its

> > > > quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped up.

> So

> > its

> > > > effects will be felt quite strongly.

> > > > I THINK ONLY ONE PLANET CAN GET GURU'S POINTS. I CHOSE MARS

> > > BECAUSE HE

> > > > SEEMS THE MOST MALEFIC BUT KRUSHNA STATES THAT THE POINTS

WENT

> TO

> > > THE SUN.

> > > > ANYWAY, IF MARS GETS DE POINTS SUN HAS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE

> EVENT

> > > HAPPEN IN

> > > > HIS SUB AND AS SHE MARRIED IN SUN SUB THERE MUST BE AN

OBSCURE

> > > REASON WHY

> > > > SUN GOT THESE POINTS.

> > > >

> > > > 3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has highest

> > points

> > > > for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru going

> to

> > > Mars)

> > > > if that happens then *though* venus has less points only 4

in

> > > > worksheet for 7th house it should still give results being

> > natural

> > > > samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus antra

> but it

> > > > happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....

> > > >

> > > > 3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we know

> > planets

> > > in

> > > > 6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more power

> to

> > > break

> > > > marriage rather than cause it.... ???

> > > >

> > > > 4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as

well

> as

> > > Aries

> > > > so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should have

> > > caused an

> > > > early marraige .... ???

> > > >

> > > > 5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on delay

> > > marriage,

> > > > Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A and

> its

> > LOC

> > > > but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so it

> > should

> > > have

> > > > given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ??? So

> this

> > > part

> > > > is not matching... but with the same token mostly all

> planets

> > are

> > > > samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ...

here

> I

> > > still

> > > > do not know how to time the same when so many planets are

> > > samdharmi

> > > > to 6th lord...

> > > >

> > > > 6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent due to

> > fact

> > > that

> > > > its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled by

> > Mercury

> > > as

> > > > its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt i.e.

> NK

> > and

> > > FK

> > > > both in this case being Venus

> > > >

> > > > Pisces Lagna

> > > > ------------

> > > >

> > > > 1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru is

> > > samdharmi

> > > > so its having check so this result of 12th from B in House

B

> is

> > > under

> > > > check.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Here Mars period came early and being natural baramoter

> for

> > > female

> > > > sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???

> > > > IF SUN GETS THE POINTS MARS IS NOT SO STRONG

> > > >

> > > > 3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT it

has

> low

> > > > points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it cant

> give

> > > result

> > > > as it can only give results if it were to have points >

12.

> And

> > > > Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its better

> to

> > not

> > > > have marriage in this antra.

> > > >

> > > > 4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17 points

in

> the

> > > > worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it

> becomes

> > > even

> > > > more eager to give results.

> > > >

> > > > 5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and Jupiter

> in

> > > > Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the nodes

> that

> > > way

> > > > as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are ONLY

> > > samdharmi to

> > > > Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI chart

> > > ONLY ???

> > > > I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not considered the

> > > > samdharmi of nodes this way...???

> > > > I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT? KETU IS ONLY SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY

> AND

> > > JUPITER BUT

> > > > THIS GIVES NO EXPLANATION WHY KETU DID'T GIVE THE RESULT SO I

> > HOPED

> > > FOR THE

> > > > SUN ?????? !!!!!!! BUT THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING OF MAY PART

> > > > 6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa, Drekkhana

> and

> > > > Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik

> sthan ???

> > > >

> > > > 7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from

Guru...

> as

> > I

> > > > thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a

planet

> and

> > > > planets in 10th were with less points then only 1 planet

> could

> > get

> > > > points from planet in 4th and in this case that would be

> Mars

> > so

> > > why

> > > > do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all planets

> get

> > > points

> > > > from planet in 10th ? Do all planets become " samdharmi "

and

> > only

> > > 1

> > > > planet get " points " from planet in 10th place and here in

> this

> > > case

> > > > its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I need

> > > > clarificaion ..... ???

> > > > I WAS READING THIS SECTION AGAIN IN THE LESSONS / ONLY ONE

> > > PLANET GETS

> > > > THE POINTS AND IT4S THE MOST MALEFIC. I THINK MARS IS MORE

> > MALEFIC

> > > TO

> > > > MERCURY THAN THE SUN, WE HAVER TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS MATTER

> > > > I am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being able

> to

> > > give

> > > > results...

> > > >

> > > > I am looking forward to the answer and some clarifications

> > > pleaes ?

> > > > WELL ASH, I3M IN THE SAME FIX AS YOU ARE. PROBABLY WE ARE

> > > OVERLOOKING THE

> > > > MOST OBVIOUS FACTOR OR THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE

> CHART

> > OR

> > > THE TOB,

> > > > REMEMBER I ADAPTED IT BECAUSE THE ONE KRUSHNA GAVE FELL IN

10°

> > > PISCES ANED

> > > > DID NOT MATCH HIS SAYING : " WITH CORRECTION OF 2/3 MINUTES

ASC

> > > CHANGES. "

> > > > I ASKED KRUSHNA TO HELP US OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. I HOPE HE

> > FINDS

> > > TIME

> > > > BEST REGARDS

> > > > MARGARITA

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

July 3, 2003

Dear Krushnaji,

This is better. So such a Ketu/Rahu would have denied a marriage

due to its ownership of 7th house but could have given child birth

(in female chart) as 11th house's lord is not Guru or Mercury.

Ok.. its getting clearer now.

Thanking you for clarifying,

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " krushanain "

<krushanain> wrote:

> Dear Ash,

> Ketu which represents two planets in 1:7 relation ship,

> then it will not give the result only for the house B whose lord

is

> one of the planet represented by Ketu.

> krushna

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Krushnaji and Margarita,

> > I was thinking more about this Ketu in special case.

> > Such a Ketu if its in sign and constellation of Mercury and Guru

> > then such a Ketu cannot come forward for ANY event. So such a

Ketu

> > basically is Defunct. I mean it will not give any result for

any

> > event ?

> > So in such charts do we even have to consider Ketu ? In this

chart

> > Ketu is in 4th house it will be of no use ?

> > Similarly for Rahu too if it were to be placed instead of Ketu

same

> > thing.. it would still represents Mercury and Guru and since

Merc

> > and Guru are not Samdharmi due to being enemies so Rahu cannot

come

> > forward for any Event ?

> > Such a Rahu or Ketu in 4th for female charts also may not give

> > conception as its in House E for 11th house and its House D for

> 7th

> > house ?

> >

> > Would it be correct to say that such a ketu or rahu in

> > sign/constellation of planets that are 1:7 or enemies become

> > defunct ?

> >

> > How do we consider such a Ketu / Rahu for their Karaktwa i.e.

> > Mahadasha ?

> >

> > Is my understanding correct ?

> >

> > I am sure I will have more questions as I think more about

> this ....

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " krushanain "

> > <krushanain> wrote:

> > > Dear Margarita, Ash, and other Members,

> > > The chart given is for delayed marriage. Saturn is

the

> > main

> > > cause for delay. ( Mars, Mercury, lords of A and B are under

> > > influence of Satrun)

> > > In Ketu Antar native had completed the delay period.

> Ketu

> > > represents Me and Ju. Which are having Good points. At the

same

> > time

> > > they are lords of Lagna and 7th house. Ketu represents both

> > houses.

> > > When two planets are lords of opposite places they are not

friens

> > and

> > > even not samdharmi. (If Venus is in 7th from Saturn it is not

> > > considered as samdharmi.)

> > > In this perticular case Ketu is situated in house D.

So

> as

> > > per general rule it should give the result. ( if rahu or Ketu

are

> > > situated in D or E, they give the result on preority) In the

last

> > 10

> > > degrees of Gemini Ketu represents Me and Ju. For Pisces asc.

> > > perticularly This Ketu can not give the result.

> > > Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving

marriage,

> > but

> > > it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to

Mars,

> > and

> > > also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So

marriage

> > > happened in the last 1/3 of Sun.

> > > When her father had been to me he told me the time

near

> > about

> > > 7 o clock. It gives Arises asc. All the planets are having

good

> > > strength for 7th house except Venus. (Venus is 2nd lord and

> > becames

> > > weak, But it is also NK) In that case marriage must have been

> > > performed in Ketu sub. So I got confused, and told him, There

> must

> > be

> > > difference in time.

> > > When actual result happened, I asked him chart. He

given

> > me

> > > and the time given in chart is 6:50 PM. With this time every

> thing

> > > changed.

> > > This is a very special case of Ketu, in Gemini and for

> > Pisces

> > > Ascendant, where Ketu can not give the result.

> > > Members should not get confused I.E. Rahu Ketu in

Cancer

> > in

> > > 3:20 to 16:40, Or in Capricorn 10:00 to 23:20. In these

> situation

> > > they can not represent B and 7th lord from house B.

> > >

> > > A good churning of opinions, but no body touched 1:7

lord

> > > ship. Any how now this will not be forgotten in future.

> > > thanks

> > > krushna

> > >

> > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Margarita,

> > > > Thanks for your feedback. Yes I agree with you. There must

be

> > > > something that we are overlooking.

> > > > I am eagerly waiting for Krushnajis answer and explanation

of a

> > few

> > > > basic concepts clarifications brought to surface with this

> > exercise.

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > , " dirk &

> > margarita

> > > > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > > > Hello Ash,

> > > > > I write some comments in your text

> > > > >

> > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > > > Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:06 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: Delayed marriage

> > chart -

> > > > > Clarification on lagna

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Margarita,

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions

> > rather

> > > > little

> > > > > confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji

to

> > > clarify

> > > > the

> > > > > same.

> > > > >

> > > > > I shall try with Aries lagna first.

> > > > >

> > > > > Aries lagna

> > > > > -----------

> > > > > YES THIS IS TEMPTING BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF ALL

> > PLANETS

> > > > WITH 6TH

> > > > > LORD BUT ANTAR OF SUN DOESN'T FIT

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all

> > planets

> > > > become

> > > > > samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon,

> Saturn,

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who

are

> > in

> > > 6th

> > > > > house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its

points.

> > > **Now

> > > > > here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but should

it

> > give

> > > > > to " ALL " planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get its

> > points

> > > > > making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will

become

> > > > samdharmi

> > > > > to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam

and

> so

> > its

> > > > > quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped

up.

> > So

> > > its

> > > > > effects will be felt quite strongly.

> > > > > I THINK ONLY ONE PLANET CAN GET GURU'S POINTS. I CHOSE

MARS

> > > > BECAUSE HE

> > > > > SEEMS THE MOST MALEFIC BUT KRUSHNA STATES THAT THE POINTS

> WENT

> > TO

> > > > THE SUN.

> > > > > ANYWAY, IF MARS GETS DE POINTS SUN HAS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE

> > EVENT

> > > > HAPPEN IN

> > > > > HIS SUB AND AS SHE MARRIED IN SUN SUB THERE MUST BE AN

> OBSCURE

> > > > REASON WHY

> > > > > SUN GOT THESE POINTS.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has

highest

> > > points

> > > > > for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru

going

> > to

> > > > Mars)

> > > > > if that happens then *though* venus has less points only

4

> in

> > > > > worksheet for 7th house it should still give results

being

> > > natural

> > > > > samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus

antra

> > but it

> > > > > happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we know

> > > planets

> > > > in

> > > > > 6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more

power

> > to

> > > > break

> > > > > marriage rather than cause it.... ???

> > > > >

> > > > > 4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as

> well

> > as

> > > > Aries

> > > > > so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should

have

> > > > caused an

> > > > > early marraige .... ???

> > > > >

> > > > > 5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on

delay

> > > > marriage,

> > > > > Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A

and

> > its

> > > LOC

> > > > > but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so

it

> > > should

> > > > have

> > > > > given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ???

So

> > this

> > > > part

> > > > > is not matching... but with the same token mostly all

> > planets

> > > are

> > > > > samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ...

> here

> > I

> > > > still

> > > > > do not know how to time the same when so many planets

are

> > > > samdharmi

> > > > > to 6th lord...

> > > > >

> > > > > 6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent due

to

> > > fact

> > > > that

> > > > > its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled by

> > > Mercury

> > > > as

> > > > > its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt

i.e.

> > NK

> > > and

> > > > FK

> > > > > both in this case being Venus

> > > > >

> > > > > Pisces Lagna

> > > > > ------------

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru

is

> > > > samdharmi

> > > > > so its having check so this result of 12th from B in

House

> B

> > is

> > > > under

> > > > > check.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) Here Mars period came early and being natural

baramoter

> > for

> > > > female

> > > > > sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???

> > > > > IF SUN GETS THE POINTS MARS IS NOT SO STRONG

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT it

> has

> > low

> > > > > points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it cant

> > give

> > > > result

> > > > > as it can only give results if it were to have points >

> 12.

> > And

> > > > > Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its

better

> > to

> > > not

> > > > > have marriage in this antra.

> > > > >

> > > > > 4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17

points

> in

> > the

> > > > > worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it

> > becomes

> > > > even

> > > > > more eager to give results.

> > > > >

> > > > > 5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and

Jupiter

> > in

> > > > > Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the

nodes

> > that

> > > > way

> > > > > as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are ONLY

> > > > samdharmi to

> > > > > Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI

chart

> > > > ONLY ???

> > > > > I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not considered

the

> > > > > samdharmi of nodes this way...???

> > > > > I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT? KETU IS ONLY SAMDHARMI TO

MERCURY

> > AND

> > > > JUPITER BUT

> > > > > THIS GIVES NO EXPLANATION WHY KETU DID'T GIVE THE RESULT

SO I

> > > HOPED

> > > > FOR THE

> > > > > SUN ?????? !!!!!!! BUT THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING OF MAY PART

> > > > > 6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa,

Drekkhana

> > and

> > > > > Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik

> > sthan ???

> > > > >

> > > > > 7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from

> Guru...

> > as

> > > I

> > > > > thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a

> planet

> > and

> > > > > planets in 10th were with less points then only 1 planet

> > could

> > > get

> > > > > points from planet in 4th and in this case that would be

> > Mars

> > > so

> > > > why

> > > > > do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all

planets

> > get

> > > > points

> > > > > from planet in 10th ? Do all planets become " samdharmi "

> and

> > > only

> > > > 1

> > > > > planet get " points " from planet in 10th place and here

in

> > this

> > > > case

> > > > > its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I

need

> > > > > clarificaion ..... ???

> > > > > I WAS READING THIS SECTION AGAIN IN THE LESSONS / ONLY

ONE

> > > > PLANET GETS

> > > > > THE POINTS AND IT4S THE MOST MALEFIC. I THINK MARS IS MORE

> > > MALEFIC

> > > > TO

> > > > > MERCURY THAN THE SUN, WE HAVER TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS

MATTER

> > > > > I am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being

able

> > to

> > > > give

> > > > > results...

> > > > >

> > > > > I am looking forward to the answer and some

clarifications

> > > > pleaes ?

> > > > > WELL ASH, I3M IN THE SAME FIX AS YOU ARE. PROBABLY WE

ARE

> > > > OVERLOOKING THE

> > > > > MOST OBVIOUS FACTOR OR THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE

> > CHART

> > > OR

> > > > THE TOB,

> > > > > REMEMBER I ADAPTED IT BECAUSE THE ONE KRUSHNA GAVE FELL IN

> 10°

> > > > PISCES ANED

> > > > > DID NOT MATCH HIS SAYING : " WITH CORRECTION OF 2/3 MINUTES

> ASC

> > > > CHANGES. "

> > > > > I ASKED KRUSHNA TO HELP US OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. I HOPE

HE

> > > FINDS

> > > > TIME

> > > > > BEST REGARDS

> > > > > MARGARITA

> > > > > Thanking you,

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

July 3, 2003

Dear Krushnaji and Margarita,

I wanted to ask about this part your wrote

" Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage, but

it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars, and

also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

happened in the last 1/3 of Sun. "

Here in this chart Sun has only 10 points. Yes its natural

samdharmi to Mars but Should'nt it have atleast 12 points ? This is

if you consider Sun natural samdharmi to Mars.

Even if you consider Sun as functional samdharmi as here in this

case Mars is situated with Sun so by virtue of that they become

Functional samdharmi. So also for coming forward should'nt Sun have

atleast 12 points ?

Here why have you considered Sun with 10 points to give the result.

What am I missing or overlooking here ?

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " krushanain "

<krushanain> wrote:

> Dear Margarita, Ash, and other Members,

> The chart given is for delayed marriage. Saturn is the

main

> cause for delay. ( Mars, Mercury, lords of A and B are under

> influence of Satrun)

> In Ketu Antar native had completed the delay period. Ketu

> represents Me and Ju. Which are having Good points. At the same

time

> they are lords of Lagna and 7th house. Ketu represents both

houses.

> When two planets are lords of opposite places they are not friens

and

> even not samdharmi. (If Venus is in 7th from Saturn it is not

> considered as samdharmi.)

> In this perticular case Ketu is situated in house D. So as

> per general rule it should give the result. ( if rahu or Ketu are

> situated in D or E, they give the result on preority) In the last

10

> degrees of Gemini Ketu represents Me and Ju. For Pisces asc.

> perticularly This Ketu can not give the result.

> Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage,

but

> it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars,

and

> also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

> happened in the last 1/3 of Sun.

> When her father had been to me he told me the time near

about

> 7 o clock. It gives Arises asc. All the planets are having good

> strength for 7th house except Venus. (Venus is 2nd lord and

becames

> weak, But it is also NK) In that case marriage must have been

> performed in Ketu sub. So I got confused, and told him, There must

be

> difference in time.

> When actual result happened, I asked him chart. He given

me

> and the time given in chart is 6:50 PM. With this time every thing

> changed.

> This is a very special case of Ketu, in Gemini and for

Pisces

> Ascendant, where Ketu can not give the result.

> Members should not get confused I.E. Rahu Ketu in Cancer

in

> 3:20 to 16:40, Or in Capricorn 10:00 to 23:20. In these situation

> they can not represent B and 7th lord from house B.

>

> A good churning of opinions, but no body touched 1:7 lord

> ship. Any how now this will not be forgotten in future.

> thanks

> krushna

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Margarita,

> > Thanks for your feedback. Yes I agree with you. There must be

> > something that we are overlooking.

> > I am eagerly waiting for Krushnajis answer and explanation of a

few

> > basic concepts clarifications brought to surface with this

exercise.

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " dirk &

margarita

> > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > Hello Ash,

> > > I write some comments in your text

> > >

> > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:06 PM

> > >

> > > Re: Delayed marriage

chart -

> > > Clarification on lagna

> > >

> > > Dear Margarita,

> > >

> > > Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions

rather

> > little

> > > confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji to

> clarify

> > the

> > > same.

> > >

> > > I shall try with Aries lagna first.

> > >

> > > Aries lagna

> > > -----------

> > > YES THIS IS TEMPTING BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF ALL

PLANETS

> > WITH 6TH

> > > LORD BUT ANTAR OF SUN DOESN'T FIT

> > >

> > > 1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all

planets

> > become

> > > samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon, Saturn,

> > Jupiter

> > > are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord.

> > >

> > > 2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who are

in

> 6th

> > > house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its points.

> **Now

> > > here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but should it

give

> > > to " ALL " planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get its

points

> > > making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will become

> > samdharmi

> > > to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam and so

its

> > > quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped up.

So

> its

> > > effects will be felt quite strongly.

> > > I THINK ONLY ONE PLANET CAN GET GURU'S POINTS. I CHOSE MARS

> > BECAUSE HE

> > > SEEMS THE MOST MALEFIC BUT KRUSHNA STATES THAT THE POINTS WENT

TO

> > THE SUN.

> > > ANYWAY, IF MARS GETS DE POINTS SUN HAS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE

EVENT

> > HAPPEN IN

> > > HIS SUB AND AS SHE MARRIED IN SUN SUB THERE MUST BE AN OBSCURE

> > REASON WHY

> > > SUN GOT THESE POINTS.

> > >

> > > 3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has highest

> points

> > > for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru going

to

> > Mars)

> > > if that happens then *though* venus has less points only 4 in

> > > worksheet for 7th house it should still give results being

> natural

> > > samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus antra

but it

> > > happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....

> > >

> > > 3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we know

> planets

> > in

> > > 6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more power

to

> > break

> > > marriage rather than cause it.... ???

> > >

> > > 4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as well

as

> > Aries

> > > so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should have

> > caused an

> > > early marraige .... ???

> > >

> > > 5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on delay

> > marriage,

> > > Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A and

its

> LOC

> > > but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so it

> should

> > have

> > > given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ??? So

this

> > part

> > > is not matching... but with the same token mostly all

planets

> are

> > > samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ... here

I

> > still

> > > do not know how to time the same when so many planets are

> > samdharmi

> > > to 6th lord...

> > >

> > > 6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent due to

> fact

> > that

> > > its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled by

> Mercury

> > as

> > > its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt i.e.

NK

> and

> > FK

> > > both in this case being Venus

> > >

> > > Pisces Lagna

> > > ------------

> > >

> > > 1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru is

> > samdharmi

> > > so its having check so this result of 12th from B in House B

is

> > under

> > > check.

> > >

> > > 2) Here Mars period came early and being natural baramoter

for

> > female

> > > sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???

> > > IF SUN GETS THE POINTS MARS IS NOT SO STRONG

> > >

> > > 3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT it has

low

> > > points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it cant

give

> > result

> > > as it can only give results if it were to have points > 12.

And

> > > Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its better

to

> not

> > > have marriage in this antra.

> > >

> > > 4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17 points in

the

> > > worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it

becomes

> > even

> > > more eager to give results.

> > >

> > > 5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and Jupiter

in

> > > Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the nodes

that

> > way

> > > as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are ONLY

> > samdharmi to

> > > Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI chart

> > ONLY ???

> > > I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not considered the

> > > samdharmi of nodes this way...???

> > > I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT? KETU IS ONLY SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY

AND

> > JUPITER BUT

> > > THIS GIVES NO EXPLANATION WHY KETU DID'T GIVE THE RESULT SO I

> HOPED

> > FOR THE

> > > SUN ?????? !!!!!!! BUT THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING OF MAY PART

> > > 6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa, Drekkhana

and

> > > Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik

sthan ???

> > >

> > > 7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from Guru...

as

> I

> > > thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a planet

and

> > > planets in 10th were with less points then only 1 planet

could

> get

> > > points from planet in 4th and in this case that would be

Mars

> so

> > why

> > > do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all planets

get

> > points

> > > from planet in 10th ? Do all planets become " samdharmi " and

> only

> > 1

> > > planet get " points " from planet in 10th place and here in

this

> > case

> > > its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I need

> > > clarificaion ..... ???

> > > I WAS READING THIS SECTION AGAIN IN THE LESSONS / ONLY ONE

> > PLANET GETS

> > > THE POINTS AND IT4S THE MOST MALEFIC. I THINK MARS IS MORE

> MALEFIC

> > TO

> > > MERCURY THAN THE SUN, WE HAVER TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS MATTER

> > > I am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being able

to

> > give

> > > results...

> > >

> > > I am looking forward to the answer and some clarifications

> > pleaes ?

> > > WELL ASH, I3M IN THE SAME FIX AS YOU ARE. PROBABLY WE ARE

> > OVERLOOKING THE

> > > MOST OBVIOUS FACTOR OR THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE

CHART

> OR

> > THE TOB,

> > > REMEMBER I ADAPTED IT BECAUSE THE ONE KRUSHNA GAVE FELL IN 10°

> > PISCES ANED

> > > DID NOT MATCH HIS SAYING : " WITH CORRECTION OF 2/3 MINUTES ASC

> > CHANGES. "

> > > I ASKED KRUSHNA TO HELP US OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. I HOPE HE

> FINDS

> > TIME

> > > BEST REGARDS

> > > MARGARITA

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

July 3, 2003

Dear Ash, and other members,

Sun is NK and also FK. When any polanet is not able to give

result due to it's sight, it's samdharmi comes ahead. In such case

even if it is with low points it may give the result. This thing is

explained some where in last mails.

In the present case The marriage happened with in 13 days

grase period. The event can happen with a difference of 13 days. I

have not got any concrete reason for this. But it may happen within

plus or minus 13 days.

Another thing is Now Sun is FK and NK both to Mars. Saturn

is affecting lords of A, B, C, so it can cause full delay. Ketu, is

unable to give the result. Similarly Venus is having less points. But

it is samdharmi to Saturn. Again it is in the const. of Ketu. So the

Sun is the last remaining A dasha in Moon ( again N.samdharmi to

Mars)

thanks

krushna

-- In , " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> Dear Krushnaji and Margarita,

>

> I wanted to ask about this part your wrote

>

> " Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage, but

> it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars, and

> also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

> happened in the last 1/3 of Sun. "

>

> Here in this chart Sun has only 10 points. Yes its natural

> samdharmi to Mars but Should'nt it have atleast 12 points ? This

is

> if you consider Sun natural samdharmi to Mars.

>

> Even if you consider Sun as functional samdharmi as here in this

> case Mars is situated with Sun so by virtue of that they become

> Functional samdharmi. So also for coming forward should'nt Sun

have

> atleast 12 points ?

>

> Here why have you considered Sun with 10 points to give the result.

>

> What am I missing or overlooking here ?

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " krushanain "

> <krushanain> wrote:

> > Dear Margarita, Ash, and other Members,

> > The chart given is for delayed marriage. Saturn is the

> main

> > cause for delay. ( Mars, Mercury, lords of A and B are under

> > influence of Satrun)

> > In Ketu Antar native had completed the delay period.

Ketu

> > represents Me and Ju. Which are having Good points. At the same

> time

> > they are lords of Lagna and 7th house. Ketu represents both

> houses.

> > When two planets are lords of opposite places they are not friens

> and

> > even not samdharmi. (If Venus is in 7th from Saturn it is not

> > considered as samdharmi.)

> > In this perticular case Ketu is situated in house D. So

as

> > per general rule it should give the result. ( if rahu or Ketu are

> > situated in D or E, they give the result on preority) In the last

> 10

> > degrees of Gemini Ketu represents Me and Ju. For Pisces asc.

> > perticularly This Ketu can not give the result.

> > Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage,

> but

> > it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars,

> and

> > also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

> > happened in the last 1/3 of Sun.

> > When her father had been to me he told me the time near

> about

> > 7 o clock. It gives Arises asc. All the planets are having good

> > strength for 7th house except Venus. (Venus is 2nd lord and

> becames

> > weak, But it is also NK) In that case marriage must have been

> > performed in Ketu sub. So I got confused, and told him, There

must

> be

> > difference in time.

> > When actual result happened, I asked him chart. He given

> me

> > and the time given in chart is 6:50 PM. With this time every

thing

> > changed.

> > This is a very special case of Ketu, in Gemini and for

> Pisces

> > Ascendant, where Ketu can not give the result.

> > Members should not get confused I.E. Rahu Ketu in Cancer

> in

> > 3:20 to 16:40, Or in Capricorn 10:00 to 23:20. In these

situation

> > they can not represent B and 7th lord from house B.

> >

> > A good churning of opinions, but no body touched 1:7 lord

> > ship. Any how now this will not be forgotten in future.

> > thanks

> > krushna

> >

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > > Dear Margarita,

> > > Thanks for your feedback. Yes I agree with you. There must be

> > > something that we are overlooking.

> > > I am eagerly waiting for Krushnajis answer and explanation of a

> few

> > > basic concepts clarifications brought to surface with this

> exercise.

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " dirk &

> margarita

> > > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > > Hello Ash,

> > > > I write some comments in your text

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > > Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:06 PM

> > > >

> > > > Re: Delayed marriage

> chart -

> > > > Clarification on lagna

> > > >

> > > > Dear Margarita,

> > > >

> > > > Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions

> rather

> > > little

> > > > confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji to

> > clarify

> > > the

> > > > same.

> > > >

> > > > I shall try with Aries lagna first.

> > > >

> > > > Aries lagna

> > > > -----------

> > > > YES THIS IS TEMPTING BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF ALL

> PLANETS

> > > WITH 6TH

> > > > LORD BUT ANTAR OF SUN DOESN'T FIT

> > > >

> > > > 1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all

> planets

> > > become

> > > > samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon,

Saturn,

> > > Jupiter

> > > > are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who are

> in

> > 6th

> > > > house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its points.

> > **Now

> > > > here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but should it

> give

> > > > to " ALL " planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get its

> points

> > > > making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will become

> > > samdharmi

> > > > to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam and

so

> its

> > > > quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped up.

> So

> > its

> > > > effects will be felt quite strongly.

> > > > I THINK ONLY ONE PLANET CAN GET GURU'S POINTS. I CHOSE MARS

> > > BECAUSE HE

> > > > SEEMS THE MOST MALEFIC BUT KRUSHNA STATES THAT THE POINTS

WENT

> TO

> > > THE SUN.

> > > > ANYWAY, IF MARS GETS DE POINTS SUN HAS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE

> EVENT

> > > HAPPEN IN

> > > > HIS SUB AND AS SHE MARRIED IN SUN SUB THERE MUST BE AN

OBSCURE

> > > REASON WHY

> > > > SUN GOT THESE POINTS.

> > > >

> > > > 3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has highest

> > points

> > > > for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru going

> to

> > > Mars)

> > > > if that happens then *though* venus has less points only 4

in

> > > > worksheet for 7th house it should still give results being

> > natural

> > > > samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus antra

> but it

> > > > happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....

> > > >

> > > > 3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we know

> > planets

> > > in

> > > > 6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more power

> to

> > > break

> > > > marriage rather than cause it.... ???

> > > >

> > > > 4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as

well

> as

> > > Aries

> > > > so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should have

> > > caused an

> > > > early marraige .... ???

> > > >

> > > > 5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on delay

> > > marriage,

> > > > Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A and

> its

> > LOC

> > > > but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so it

> > should

> > > have

> > > > given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ??? So

> this

> > > part

> > > > is not matching... but with the same token mostly all

> planets

> > are

> > > > samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ...

here

> I

> > > still

> > > > do not know how to time the same when so many planets are

> > > samdharmi

> > > > to 6th lord...

> > > >

> > > > 6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent due to

> > fact

> > > that

> > > > its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled by

> > Mercury

> > > as

> > > > its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt i.e.

> NK

> > and

> > > FK

> > > > both in this case being Venus

> > > >

> > > > Pisces Lagna

> > > > ------------

> > > >

> > > > 1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru is

> > > samdharmi

> > > > so its having check so this result of 12th from B in House

B

> is

> > > under

> > > > check.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Here Mars period came early and being natural baramoter

> for

> > > female

> > > > sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???

> > > > IF SUN GETS THE POINTS MARS IS NOT SO STRONG

> > > >

> > > > 3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT it

has

> low

> > > > points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it cant

> give

> > > result

> > > > as it can only give results if it were to have points >

12.

> And

> > > > Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its better

> to

> > not

> > > > have marriage in this antra.

> > > >

> > > > 4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17 points

in

> the

> > > > worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it

> becomes

> > > even

> > > > more eager to give results.

> > > >

> > > > 5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and Jupiter

> in

> > > > Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the nodes

> that

> > > way

> > > > as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are ONLY

> > > samdharmi to

> > > > Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI chart

> > > ONLY ???

> > > > I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not considered the

> > > > samdharmi of nodes this way...???

> > > > I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT? KETU IS ONLY SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY

> AND

> > > JUPITER BUT

> > > > THIS GIVES NO EXPLANATION WHY KETU DID'T GIVE THE RESULT SO I

> > HOPED

> > > FOR THE

> > > > SUN ?????? !!!!!!! BUT THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING OF MAY PART

> > > > 6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa, Drekkhana

> and

> > > > Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik

> sthan ???

> > > >

> > > > 7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from

Guru...

> as

> > I

> > > > thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a

planet

> and

> > > > planets in 10th were with less points then only 1 planet

> could

> > get

> > > > points from planet in 4th and in this case that would be

> Mars

> > so

> > > why

> > > > do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all planets

> get

> > > points

> > > > from planet in 10th ? Do all planets become " samdharmi "

and

> > only

> > > 1

> > > > planet get " points " from planet in 10th place and here in

> this

> > > case

> > > > its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I need

> > > > clarificaion ..... ???

> > > > I WAS READING THIS SECTION AGAIN IN THE LESSONS / ONLY ONE

> > > PLANET GETS

> > > > THE POINTS AND IT4S THE MOST MALEFIC. I THINK MARS IS MORE

> > MALEFIC

> > > TO

> > > > MERCURY THAN THE SUN, WE HAVER TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS MATTER

> > > > I am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being able

> to

> > > give

> > > > results...

> > > >

> > > > I am looking forward to the answer and some clarifications

> > > pleaes ?

> > > > WELL ASH, I3M IN THE SAME FIX AS YOU ARE. PROBABLY WE ARE

> > > OVERLOOKING THE

> > > > MOST OBVIOUS FACTOR OR THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE

> CHART

> > OR

> > > THE TOB,

> > > > REMEMBER I ADAPTED IT BECAUSE THE ONE KRUSHNA GAVE FELL IN

10°

> > > PISCES ANED

> > > > DID NOT MATCH HIS SAYING : " WITH CORRECTION OF 2/3 MINUTES

ASC

> > > CHANGES. "

> > > > I ASKED KRUSHNA TO HELP US OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. I HOPE HE

> > FINDS

> > > TIME

> > > > BEST REGARDS

> > > > MARGARITA

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

July 3, 2003

Dear Krushnaji,

Pranam,

You wrote

" In the present case The marriage happened with in 13 days

> grase period. The event can happen with a difference of 13 days. I

> have not got any concrete reason for this. But it may happen within

> plus or minus 13 days. "

Ash : 13 days give or take on either side is really amazing and that

is the mastery of this system you have had for over 45 years.

For now I am happy just to get the antra and hopefully the correct

1/3rd sector right ha ha ha... eventual goal is to predict to that

level of accurately but then again Rome was not built in a day....

and for now.. slow and steady.. and one baby steps at a time... to

understand the system in detail.

I am sure No body will mind 13 days left or right for ANY event

predicted in the larger gist of things.. its just amazing to know

that things can be predicted with such accuracy with this system

atleast makes me feel good.

For now the struggle is to get the right 1/3rd sector and understand

this part. So bear with me. I shall give small emails with

different scnarios with my doubts so it will become easier for you

answer in your spare time.

I shall do more thinking on this mail and come back with more

questions if I have any.

Thanking you for your detailed explanation,

Cheers !!!

Ash

August 1, 2006

Dear Ash and list members,

I would like to bring forward this chart for further discussion and

leasrning purpose.The details of chart is DOB-04 Oct 1972, TOB-18-50

am corrected, POB Satara 17 N 42,74 E 02India.

The Asc is 29 Pi 09, Su 18Vi49, Mo 16 Leo 53.

In this chart there is full delay caused by Sa. So delay will be

over when Sa enters 0 deg Aries. Sa enters Aries sometime during Apr

last in 1998.That time native was passing through Sa antara in Mo

main period.LoD is Me and LoE is Sa.Since the period of delay is

over in Sa antara a delay causing period in its second sector.Sa

being LoE with highest 27 points in WS for 7th house could have

given marriage.

Next antara was that of Me who is LoD WITH 17 points in WS for 7th

house did also not give marriage.

It has been cleared by Sri Krushna Ji that Ke who is in house D can

not give marriage. The reason is well understood and I will also

keep in mind this reference point for future analysis. The marriage

took place in Sun antara on 23 May 2003.Su has only 10 points in WS

for 7th house.Su to Ve distance is approx.nearing 43 deg but less

than 43 deg. Me/Ju 4/10. Su/Sa 5/9 Ma/Ve 2/12 totalling 50 points.

But the position of two malefics Su and Ma in 7th house is not

desirable. This combination gives the separation or disharmony in

the married life.

If you consider this way then marriage in Su antara is OK.

When you consider the break in marriage then it does not show any

break in marriage but on the contrary it has long life for marriage.

In this case I could not understand the marriage in Su antara.

Could you please explain it, Ash.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

, " krushanain "

<krushanain wrote:

>

> Dear Margarita, Ash, and other Members,

> The chart given is for delayed marriage. Saturn is the

main

> cause for delay. ( Mars, Mercury, lords of A and B are under

> influence of Satrun)

> In Ketu Antar native had completed the delay period. Ketu

> represents Me and Ju. Which are having Good points. At the same

time

> they are lords of Lagna and 7th house. Ketu represents both

houses.

> When two planets are lords of opposite places they are not friens

and

> even not samdharmi. (If Venus is in 7th from Saturn it is not

> considered as samdharmi.)

> In this perticular case Ketu is situated in house D. So as

> per general rule it should give the result. ( if rahu or Ketu are

> situated in D or E, they give the result on preority) In the last

10

> degrees of Gemini Ketu represents Me and Ju. For Pisces asc.

> perticularly This Ketu can not give the result.

> Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage,

but

> it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars,

and

> also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

> happened in the last 1/3 of Sun.

> When her father had been to me he told me the time near

about

> 7 o clock. It gives Arises asc. All the planets are having good

> strength for 7th house except Venus. (Venus is 2nd lord and

becames

> weak, But it is also NK) In that case marriage must have been

> performed in Ketu sub. So I got confused, and told him, There must

be

> difference in time.

> When actual result happened, I asked him chart. He given

me

> and the time given in chart is 6:50 PM. With this time every thing

> changed.

> This is a very special case of Ketu, in Gemini and for

Pisces

> Ascendant, where Ketu can not give the result.

> Members should not get confused I.E. Rahu Ketu in Cancer

in

> 3:20 to 16:40, Or in Capricorn 10:00 to 23:20. In these situation

> they can not represent B and 7th lord from house B.

>

> A good churning of opinions, but no body touched 1:7 lord

> ship. Any how now this will not be forgotten in future.

> thanks

> krushna

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Margarita,

> > Thanks for your feedback. Yes I agree with you. There must be

> > something that we are overlooking.

> > I am eagerly waiting for Krushnajis answer and explanation of a

few

> > basic concepts clarifications brought to surface with this

exercise.

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " dirk &

margarita

> > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > Hello Ash,

> > > I write some comments in your text

> > >

> > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:06 PM

> > >

> > > Re: Delayed marriage

chart -

> > > Clarification on lagna

> > >

> > > Dear Margarita,

> > >

> > > Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions

rather

> > little

> > > confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji to

> clarify

> > the

> > > same.

> > >

> > > I shall try with Aries lagna first.

> > >

> > > Aries lagna

> > > -----------

> > > YES THIS IS TEMPTING BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF ALL

PLANETS

> > WITH 6TH

> > > LORD BUT ANTAR OF SUN DOESN'T FIT

> > >

> > > 1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all

planets

> > become

> > > samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon, Saturn,

> > Jupiter

> > > are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord.

> > >

> > > 2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who are

in

> 6th

> > > house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its points.

> **Now

> > > here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but should it

give

> > > to " ALL " planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get its

points

> > > making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will become

> > samdharmi

> > > to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam and so

its

> > > quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped up.

So

> its

> > > effects will be felt quite strongly.

> > > I THINK ONLY ONE PLANET CAN GET GURU'S POINTS. I CHOSE MARS

> > BECAUSE HE

> > > SEEMS THE MOST MALEFIC BUT KRUSHNA STATES THAT THE POINTS WENT

TO

> > THE SUN.

> > > ANYWAY, IF MARS GETS DE POINTS SUN HAS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE

EVENT

> > HAPPEN IN

> > > HIS SUB AND AS SHE MARRIED IN SUN SUB THERE MUST BE AN OBSCURE

> > REASON WHY

> > > SUN GOT THESE POINTS.

> > >

> > > 3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has highest

> points

> > > for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru going

to

> > Mars)

> > > if that happens then *though* venus has less points only 4 in

> > > worksheet for 7th house it should still give results being

> natural

> > > samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus antra

but it

> > > happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....

> > >

> > > 3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we know

> planets

> > in

> > > 6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more power

to

> > break

> > > marriage rather than cause it.... ???

> > >

> > > 4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as well

as

> > Aries

> > > so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should have

> > caused an

> > > early marraige .... ???

> > >

> > > 5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on delay

> > marriage,

> > > Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A and

its

> LOC

> > > but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so it

> should

> > have

> > > given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ??? So

this

> > part

> > > is not matching... but with the same token mostly all

planets

> are

> > > samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ... here

I

> > still

> > > do not know how to time the same when so many planets are

> > samdharmi

> > > to 6th lord...

> > >

> > > 6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent due to

> fact

> > that

> > > its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled by

> Mercury

> > as

> > > its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt i.e.

NK

> and

> > FK

> > > both in this case being Venus

> > >

> > > Pisces Lagna

> > > ------------

> > >

> > > 1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru is

> > samdharmi

> > > so its having check so this result of 12th from B in House B

is

> > under

> > > check.

> > >

> > > 2) Here Mars period came early and being natural baramoter

for

> > female

> > > sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???

> > > IF SUN GETS THE POINTS MARS IS NOT SO STRONG

> > >

> > > 3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT it has

low

> > > points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it cant

give

> > result

> > > as it can only give results if it were to have points > 12.

And

> > > Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its better

to

> not

> > > have marriage in this antra.

> > >

> > > 4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17 points in

the

> > > worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it

becomes

> > even

> > > more eager to give results.

> > >

> > > 5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and Jupiter

in

> > > Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the nodes

that

> > way

> > > as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are ONLY

> > samdharmi to

> > > Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI chart

> > ONLY ???

> > > I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not considered the

> > > samdharmi of nodes this way...???

> > > I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT? KETU IS ONLY SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY

AND

> > JUPITER BUT

> > > THIS GIVES NO EXPLANATION WHY KETU DID'T GIVE THE RESULT SO I

> HOPED

> > FOR THE

> > > SUN ?????? !!!!!!! BUT THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING OF MAY PART

> > > 6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa, Drekkhana

and

> > > Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik

sthan ???

> > >

> > > 7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from Guru...

as

> I

> > > thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a planet

and

> > > planets in 10th were with less points then only 1 planet

could

> get

> > > points from planet in 4th and in this case that would be

Mars

> so

> > why

> > > do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all planets

get

> > points

> > > from planet in 10th ? Do all planets become " samdharmi " and

> only

> > 1

> > > planet get " points " from planet in 10th place and here in

this

> > case

> > > its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I need

> > > clarificaion ..... ???

> > > I WAS READING THIS SECTION AGAIN IN THE LESSONS / ONLY ONE

> > PLANET GETS

> > > THE POINTS AND IT4S THE MOST MALEFIC. I THINK MARS IS MORE

> MALEFIC

> > TO

> > > MERCURY THAN THE SUN, WE HAVER TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS MATTER

> > > I am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being able

to

> > give

> > > results...

> > >

> > > I am looking forward to the answer and some clarifications

> > pleaes ?

> > > WELL ASH, I3M IN THE SAME FIX AS YOU ARE. PROBABLY WE ARE

> > OVERLOOKING THE

> > > MOST OBVIOUS FACTOR OR THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE

CHART

> OR

> > THE TOB,

> > > REMEMBER I ADAPTED IT BECAUSE THE ONE KRUSHNA GAVE FELL IN 10°

> > PISCES ANED

> > > DID NOT MATCH HIS SAYING : " WITH CORRECTION OF 2/3 MINUTES ASC

> > CHANGES. "

> > > I ASKED KRUSHNA TO HELP US OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. I HOPE HE

> FINDS

> > TIME

> > > BEST REGARDS

> > > MARGARITA

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

>

August 1, 2006

Dear Ramesh,

Try the chart with 19:05 birth time. And recalculate. You can verify other

events too.

With the given time, he shoudl have married much earlier.

Try with the above time and see.

Cheers !!!

Ash

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