Delayed marriage chart - Clarification on lagna

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Dear Ramesh,

I am curious to know the souce of birth time, and if the birth time

was noted what was the original birth time before it was rectified?

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, Ash <ashsam73

wrote:

>

> Dear Ramesh,

> Try the chart with 19:05 birth time. And recalculate. You can

verify other events too.

> With the given time, he shoudl have married much earlier.

> Try with the above time and see.

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Ash and list members,

> I would like to bring forward this chart for further discussion

and

> leasrning purpose.The details of chart is DOB-04 Oct 1972, TOB-18-

50

> am corrected, POB Satara 17 N 42,74 E 02India.

> The Asc is 29 Pi 09, Su 18Vi49, Mo 16 Leo 53.

> In this chart there is full delay caused by Sa. So delay will be

> over when Sa enters 0 deg Aries. Sa enters Aries sometime during

Apr

> last in 1998.That time native was passing through Sa antara in Mo

> main period.LoD is Me and LoE is Sa.Since the period of delay is

> over in Sa antara a delay causing period in its second sector.Sa

> being LoE with highest 27 points in WS for 7th house could have

> given marriage.

> Next antara was that of Me who is LoD WITH 17 points in WS for 7th

> house did also not give marriage.

> It has been cleared by Sri Krushna Ji that Ke who is in house D

can

> not give marriage. The reason is well understood and I will also

> keep in mind this reference point for future analysis. The

marriage

> took place in Sun antara on 23 May 2003.Su has only 10 points in

WS

> for 7th house.Su to Ve distance is approx.nearing 43 deg but less

> than 43 deg. Me/Ju 4/10. Su/Sa 5/9 Ma/Ve 2/12 totalling 50 points.

> But the position of two malefics Su and Ma in 7th house is not

> desirable. This combination gives the separation or disharmony in

> the married life.

> If you consider this way then marriage in Su antara is OK.

> When you consider the break in marriage then it does not show any

> break in marriage but on the contrary it has long life for

marriage.

> In this case I could not understand the marriage in Su antara.

> Could you please explain it, Ash.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

> , " krushanain "

> <krushanain@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Margarita, Ash, and other Members,

> > The chart given is for delayed marriage. Saturn is the

> main

> > cause for delay. ( Mars, Mercury, lords of A and B are under

> > influence of Satrun)

> > In Ketu Antar native had completed the delay period. Ketu

> > represents Me and Ju. Which are having Good points. At the same

> time

> > they are lords of Lagna and 7th house. Ketu represents both

> houses.

> > When two planets are lords of opposite places they are not

friens

> and

> > even not samdharmi. (If Venus is in 7th from Saturn it is not

> > considered as samdharmi.)

> > In this perticular case Ketu is situated in house D. So as

> > per general rule it should give the result. ( if rahu or Ketu

are

> > situated in D or E, they give the result on preority) In the

last

> 10

> > degrees of Gemini Ketu represents Me and Ju. For Pisces asc.

> > perticularly This Ketu can not give the result.

> > Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage,

> but

> > it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars,

> and

> > also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

> > happened in the last 1/3 of Sun.

> > When her father had been to me he told me the time near

> about

> > 7 o clock. It gives Arises asc. All the planets are having good

> > strength for 7th house except Venus. (Venus is 2nd lord and

> becames

> > weak, But it is also NK) In that case marriage must have been

> > performed in Ketu sub. So I got confused, and told him, There

must

> be

> > difference in time.

> > When actual result happened, I asked him chart. He given

> me

> > and the time given in chart is 6:50 PM. With this time every

thing

> > changed.

> > This is a very special case of Ketu, in Gemini and for

> Pisces

> > Ascendant, where Ketu can not give the result.

> > Members should not get confused I.E. Rahu Ketu in Cancer

> in

> > 3:20 to 16:40, Or in Capricorn 10:00 to 23:20. In these

situation

> > they can not represent B and 7th lord from house B.

> >

> > A good churning of opinions, but no body touched 1:7 lord

> > ship. Any how now this will not be forgotten in future.

> > thanks

> > krushna

> >

> >

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > > Dear Margarita,

> > > Thanks for your feedback. Yes I agree with you. There must be

> > > something that we are overlooking.

> > > I am eagerly waiting for Krushnajis answer and explanation of

a

> few

> > > basic concepts clarifications brought to surface with this

> exercise.

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " dirk &

> margarita

> > > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > > Hello Ash,

> > > > I write some comments in your text

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > > Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:06 PM

> > > >

> > > > Re: Delayed marriage

> chart -

> > > > Clarification on lagna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Margarita,

> > > >

> > > > Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions

> rather

> > > little

> > > > confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji to

> > clarify

> > > the

> > > > same.

> > > >

> > > > I shall try with Aries lagna first.

> > > >

> > > > Aries lagna

> > > > -----------

> > > > YES THIS IS TEMPTING BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF ALL

> PLANETS

> > > WITH 6TH

> > > > LORD BUT ANTAR OF SUN DOESN'T FIT

> > > >

> > > > 1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all

> planets

> > > become

> > > > samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon, Saturn,

> > > Jupiter

> > > > are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who are

> in

> > 6th

> > > > house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its points.

> > **Now

> > > > here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but should it

> give

> > > > to " ALL " planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get its

> points

> > > > making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will become

> > > samdharmi

> > > > to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam and so

> its

> > > > quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped up.

> So

> > its

> > > > effects will be felt quite strongly.

> > > > I THINK ONLY ONE PLANET CAN GET GURU'S POINTS. I CHOSE MARS

> > > BECAUSE HE

> > > > SEEMS THE MOST MALEFIC BUT KRUSHNA STATES THAT THE POINTS

WENT

> TO

> > > THE SUN.

> > > > ANYWAY, IF MARS GETS DE POINTS SUN HAS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE

> EVENT

> > > HAPPEN IN

> > > > HIS SUB AND AS SHE MARRIED IN SUN SUB THERE MUST BE AN

OBSCURE

> > > REASON WHY

> > > > SUN GOT THESE POINTS.

> > > >

> > > > 3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has highest

> > points

> > > > for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru going

> to

> > > Mars)

> > > > if that happens then *though* venus has less points only 4 in

> > > > worksheet for 7th house it should still give results being

> > natural

> > > > samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus antra

> but it

> > > > happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....

> > > >

> > > > 3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we know

> > planets

> > > in

> > > > 6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more power

> to

> > > break

> > > > marriage rather than cause it.... ???

> > > >

> > > > 4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as well

> as

> > > Aries

> > > > so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should have

> > > caused an

> > > > early marraige .... ???

> > > >

> > > > 5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on delay

> > > marriage,

> > > > Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A and

> its

> > LOC

> > > > but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so it

> > should

> > > have

> > > > given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ??? So

> this

> > > part

> > > > is not matching... but with the same token mostly all

> planets

> > are

> > > > samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ... here

> I

> > > still

> > > > do not know how to time the same when so many planets are

> > > samdharmi

> > > > to 6th lord...

> > > >

> > > > 6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent due to

> > fact

> > > that

> > > > its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled by

> > Mercury

> > > as

> > > > its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt i.e.

> NK

> > and

> > > FK

> > > > both in this case being Venus

> > > >

> > > > Pisces Lagna

> > > > ------------

> > > >

> > > > 1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru is

> > > samdharmi

> > > > so its having check so this result of 12th from B in House B

> is

> > > under

> > > > check.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Here Mars period came early and being natural baramoter

> for

> > > female

> > > > sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???

> > > > IF SUN GETS THE POINTS MARS IS NOT SO STRONG

> > > >

> > > > 3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT it has

> low

> > > > points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it cant

> give

> > > result

> > > > as it can only give results if it were to have points > 12.

> And

> > > > Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its better

> to

> > not

> > > > have marriage in this antra.

> > > >

> > > > 4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17 points in

> the

> > > > worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it

> becomes

> > > even

> > > > more eager to give results.

> > > >

> > > > 5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and Jupiter

> in

> > > > Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the nodes

> that

> > > way

> > > > as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are ONLY

> > > samdharmi to

> > > > Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI chart

> > > ONLY ???

> > > > I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not considered the

> > > > samdharmi of nodes this way...???

> > > > I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT? KETU IS ONLY SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY

> AND

> > > JUPITER BUT

> > > > THIS GIVES NO EXPLANATION WHY KETU DID'T GIVE THE RESULT SO

I

> > HOPED

> > > FOR THE

> > > > SUN ?????? !!!!!!! BUT THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING OF MAY PART

> > > > 6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa, Drekkhana

> and

> > > > Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik

> sthan ???

> > > >

> > > > 7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from Guru...

> as

> > I

> > > > thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a planet

> and

> > > > planets in 10th were with less points then only 1 planet

> could

> > get

> > > > points from planet in 4th and in this case that would be

> Mars

> > so

> > > why

> > > > do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all planets

> get

> > > points

> > > > from planet in 10th ? Do all planets become " samdharmi " and

> > only

> > > 1

> > > > planet get " points " from planet in 10th place and here in

> this

> > > case

> > > > its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I need

> > > > clarificaion ..... ???

> > > > I WAS READING THIS SECTION AGAIN IN THE LESSONS / ONLY ONE

> > > PLANET GETS

> > > > THE POINTS AND IT4S THE MOST MALEFIC. I THINK MARS IS MORE

> > MALEFIC

> > > TO

> > > > MERCURY THAN THE SUN, WE HAVER TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS MATTER

> > > > I am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being able

> to

> > > give

> > > > results...

> > > >

> > > > I am looking forward to the answer and some clarifications

> > > pleaes ?

> > > > WELL ASH, I3M IN THE SAME FIX AS YOU ARE. PROBABLY WE ARE

> > > OVERLOOKING THE

> > > > MOST OBVIOUS FACTOR OR THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE

> CHART

> > OR

> > > THE TOB,

> > > > REMEMBER I ADAPTED IT BECAUSE THE ONE KRUSHNA GAVE FELL IN

10°

> > > PISCES ANED

> > > > DID NOT MATCH HIS SAYING : " WITH CORRECTION OF 2/3 MINUTES

ASC

> > > CHANGES. "

> > > > I ASKED KRUSHNA TO HELP US OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. I HOPE HE

> > FINDS

> > > TIME

> > > > BEST REGARDS

> > > > MARGARITA

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> >

 

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Dear Ash,

This chart is taken from archives where you have discussed this chart with

Krushna ji and Margarita.If you check up msg no.5106 you will come to know

everything. I put this chart because Krushna ji was telling that delay of Sa is

over during Me antara but when I casted this chart I found delay was over during

Sa antara second sector then why Sa did not give marriage in its third sector.

I could not understand the confusion between delay of Sa which is ending in Me

antara as per Krushna Ji where as according to my calculation it ends during Sa

antara.

You also agree that marriage could have been much earlier.Please see it in

your leisure time and post your findings.Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

 

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

I am curious to know the souce of birth time, and if the birth time

was noted what was the original birth time before it was rectified?

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, Ash <ashsam73

wrote:

>

> Dear Ramesh,

> Try the chart with 19:05 birth time. And recalculate. You can

verify other events too.

> With the given time, he shoudl have married much earlier.

> Try with the above time and see.

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Ash and list members,

> I would like to bring forward this chart for further discussion

and

> leasrning purpose.The details of chart is DOB-04 Oct 1972, TOB-18-

50

> am corrected, POB Satara 17 N 42,74 E 02India.

> The Asc is 29 Pi 09, Su 18Vi49, Mo 16 Leo 53.

> In this chart there is full delay caused by Sa. So delay will be

> over when Sa enters 0 deg Aries. Sa enters Aries sometime during

Apr

> last in 1998.That time native was passing through Sa antara in Mo

> main period.LoD is Me and LoE is Sa.Since the period of delay is

> over in Sa antara a delay causing period in its second sector.Sa

> being LoE with highest 27 points in WS for 7th house could have

> given marriage.

> Next antara was that of Me who is LoD WITH 17 points in WS for 7th

> house did also not give marriage.

> It has been cleared by Sri Krushna Ji that Ke who is in house D

can

> not give marriage. The reason is well understood and I will also

> keep in mind this reference point for future analysis. The

marriage

> took place in Sun antara on 23 May 2003.Su has only 10 points in

WS

> for 7th house.Su to Ve distance is approx.nearing 43 deg but less

> than 43 deg. Me/Ju 4/10. Su/Sa 5/9 Ma/Ve 2/12 totalling 50 points.

> But the position of two malefics Su and Ma in 7th house is not

> desirable. This combination gives the separation or disharmony in

> the married life.

> If you consider this way then marriage in Su antara is OK.

> When you consider the break in marriage then it does not show any

> break in marriage but on the contrary it has long life for

marriage.

> In this case I could not understand the marriage in Su antara.

> Could you please explain it, Ash.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

> , " krushanain "

> <krushanain@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Margarita, Ash, and other Members,

> > The chart given is for delayed marriage. Saturn is the

> main

> > cause for delay. ( Mars, Mercury, lords of A and B are under

> > influence of Satrun)

> > In Ketu Antar native had completed the delay period. Ketu

> > represents Me and Ju. Which are having Good points. At the same

> time

> > they are lords of Lagna and 7th house. Ketu represents both

> houses.

> > When two planets are lords of opposite places they are not

friens

> and

> > even not samdharmi. (If Venus is in 7th from Saturn it is not

> > considered as samdharmi.)

> > In this perticular case Ketu is situated in house D. So as

> > per general rule it should give the result. ( if rahu or Ketu

are

> > situated in D or E, they give the result on preority) In the

last

> 10

> > degrees of Gemini Ketu represents Me and Ju. For Pisces asc.

> > perticularly This Ketu can not give the result.

> > Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage,

> but

> > it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars,

> and

> > also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

> > happened in the last 1/3 of Sun.

> > When her father had been to me he told me the time near

> about

> > 7 o clock. It gives Arises asc. All the planets are having good

> > strength for 7th house except Venus. (Venus is 2nd lord and

> becames

> > weak, But it is also NK) In that case marriage must have been

> > performed in Ketu sub. So I got confused, and told him, There

must

> be

> > difference in time.

> > When actual result happened, I asked him chart. He given

> me

> > and the time given in chart is 6:50 PM. With this time every

thing

> > changed.

> > This is a very special case of Ketu, in Gemini and for

> Pisces

> > Ascendant, where Ketu can not give the result.

> > Members should not get confused I.E. Rahu Ketu in Cancer

> in

> > 3:20 to 16:40, Or in Capricorn 10:00 to 23:20. In these

situation

> > they can not represent B and 7th lord from house B.

> >

> > A good churning of opinions, but no body touched 1:7 lord

> > ship. Any how now this will not be forgotten in future.

> > thanks

> > krushna

> >

> >

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > > Dear Margarita,

> > > Thanks for your feedback. Yes I agree with you. There must be

> > > something that we are overlooking.

> > > I am eagerly waiting for Krushnajis answer and explanation of

a

> few

> > > basic concepts clarifications brought to surface with this

> exercise.

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " dirk &

> margarita

> > > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > > Hello Ash,

> > > > I write some comments in your text

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > > Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:06 PM

> > > >

> > > > Re: Delayed marriage

> chart -

> > > > Clarification on lagna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Margarita,

> > > >

> > > > Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions

> rather

> > > little

> > > > confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji to

> > clarify

> > > the

> > > > same.

> > > >

> > > > I shall try with Aries lagna first.

> > > >

> > > > Aries lagna

> > > > -----------

> > > > YES THIS IS TEMPTING BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF ALL

> PLANETS

> > > WITH 6TH

> > > > LORD BUT ANTAR OF SUN DOESN'T FIT

> > > >

> > > > 1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all

> planets

> > > become

> > > > samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon, Saturn,

> > > Jupiter

> > > > are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who are

> in

> > 6th

> > > > house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its points.

> > **Now

> > > > here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but should it

> give

> > > > to " ALL " planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get its

> points

> > > > making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will become

> > > samdharmi

> > > > to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam and so

> its

> > > > quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped up.

> So

> > its

> > > > effects will be felt quite strongly.

> > > > I THINK ONLY ONE PLANET CAN GET GURU'S POINTS. I CHOSE MARS

> > > BECAUSE HE

> > > > SEEMS THE MOST MALEFIC BUT KRUSHNA STATES THAT THE POINTS

WENT

> TO

> > > THE SUN.

> > > > ANYWAY, IF MARS GETS DE POINTS SUN HAS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE

> EVENT

> > > HAPPEN IN

> > > > HIS SUB AND AS SHE MARRIED IN SUN SUB THERE MUST BE AN

OBSCURE

> > > REASON WHY

> > > > SUN GOT THESE POINTS.

> > > >

> > > > 3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has highest

> > points

> > > > for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru going

> to

> > > Mars)

> > > > if that happens then *though* venus has less points only 4 in

> > > > worksheet for 7th house it should still give results being

> > natural

> > > > samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus antra

> but it

> > > > happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....

> > > >

> > > > 3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we know

> > planets

> > > in

> > > > 6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more power

> to

> > > break

> > > > marriage rather than cause it.... ???

> > > >

> > > > 4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as well

> as

> > > Aries

> > > > so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should have

> > > caused an

> > > > early marraige .... ???

> > > >

> > > > 5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on delay

> > > marriage,

> > > > Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A and

> its

> > LOC

> > > > but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so it

> > should

> > > have

> > > > given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ??? So

> this

> > > part

> > > > is not matching... but with the same token mostly all

> planets

> > are

> > > > samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ... here

> I

> > > still

> > > > do not know how to time the same when so many planets are

> > > samdharmi

> > > > to 6th lord...

> > > >

> > > > 6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent due to

> > fact

> > > that

> > > > its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled by

> > Mercury

> > > as

> > > > its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt i.e.

> NK

> > and

> > > FK

> > > > both in this case being Venus

> > > >

> > > > Pisces Lagna

> > > > ------------

> > > >

> > > > 1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru is

> > > samdharmi

> > > > so its having check so this result of 12th from B in House B

> is

> > > under

> > > > check.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Here Mars period came early and being natural baramoter

> for

> > > female

> > > > sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???

> > > > IF SUN GETS THE POINTS MARS IS NOT SO STRONG

> > > >

> > > > 3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT it has

> low

> > > > points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it cant

> give

> > > result

> > > > as it can only give results if it were to have points > 12.

> And

> > > > Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its better

> to

> > not

> > > > have marriage in this antra.

> > > >

> > > > 4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17 points in

> the

> > > > worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it

> becomes

> > > even

> > > > more eager to give results.

> > > >

> > > > 5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and Jupiter

> in

> > > > Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the nodes

> that

> > > way

> > > > as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are ONLY

> > > samdharmi to

> > > > Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI chart

> > > ONLY ???

> > > > I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not considered the

> > > > samdharmi of nodes this way...???

> > > > I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT? KETU IS ONLY SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY

> AND

> > > JUPITER BUT

> > > > THIS GIVES NO EXPLANATION WHY KETU DID'T GIVE THE RESULT SO

I

> > HOPED

> > > FOR THE

> > > > SUN ?????? !!!!!!! BUT THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING OF MAY PART

> > > > 6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa, Drekkhana

> and

> > > > Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik

> sthan ???

> > > >

> > > > 7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from Guru...

> as

> > I

> > > > thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a planet

> and

> > > > planets in 10th were with less points then only 1 planet

> could

> > get

> > > > points from planet in 4th and in this case that would be

> Mars

> > so

> > > why

> > > > do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all planets

> get

> > > points

> > > > from planet in 10th ? Do all planets become " samdharmi " and

> > only

> > > 1

> > > > planet get " points " from planet in 10th place and here in

> this

> > > case

> > > > its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I need

> > > > clarificaion ..... ???

> > > > I WAS READING THIS SECTION AGAIN IN THE LESSONS / ONLY ONE

> > > PLANET GETS

> > > > THE POINTS AND IT4S THE MOST MALEFIC. I THINK MARS IS MORE

> > MALEFIC

> > > TO

> > > > MERCURY THAN THE SUN, WE HAVER TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS MATTER

> > > > I am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being able

> to

> > > give

> > > > results...

> > > >

> > > > I am looking forward to the answer and some clarifications

> > > pleaes ?

> > > > WELL ASH, I3M IN THE SAME FIX AS YOU ARE. PROBABLY WE ARE

> > > OVERLOOKING THE

> > > > MOST OBVIOUS FACTOR OR THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE

> CHART

> > OR

> > > THE TOB,

> > > > REMEMBER I ADAPTED IT BECAUSE THE ONE KRUSHNA GAVE FELL IN

10°

> > > PISCES ANED

> > > > DID NOT MATCH HIS SAYING : " WITH CORRECTION OF 2/3 MINUTES

ASC

> > > CHANGES. "

> > > > I ASKED KRUSHNA TO HELP US OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. I HOPE HE

> > FINDS

> > > TIME

> > > > BEST REGARDS

> > > > MARGARITA

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> >

 

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Dear Ash,

I casted the chart according to your birth time as 19:05 but this situation

also does not match according to the event. Here in this situation there is full

delay caused by Sa and Ju as well. Lagna also changed as Aries. So full delay by

Sa and Ju . This period of delay ends sometime in Apr last 1998 when Sa antara

in Mo main was running.

LoD is now Mo and LoE is Ju. Sa is SD to Mo and Sa has highest 26 points in

WS for 7th house and Mo has strong 25 points. Sa is LoC housed in house A and

aspects house C , so its antara will not give result.

Next antara is of Me, Me is 6th lord and strongly placed in 6th house.

Therefore this antara is also eliminated. Following Ke antara can not give

marriage. Now the turn is of Ve antara. Ve is weak in WS for 7th house matter so

Ve is also not having power to give the event. Now Su has followed . Su is with

Ma in 6th house. Su has no effect of 6th lord or in 6th house. Su is SD to Ju (

LoE ), has strong points for 7th house in WS. Su antara was up to 19 Mar 2003.

It means Su could not give marriage.

Next Ma antara in Ma main period started. Ma is NSD to Mo but it is in

opposition to Mo in navamsa, should not have given the event. But in reality Ma

antara gave marriage in its second sector. Why and How ?

Here in this chart delay is nullified and marriage could have been performed

much earlier in Ma antara of Mo main . It did not happen and Ma antara in Ma

main gave marriage.

 

When you check the chart with TOB as 18:50 hrs with Pi asc. then marriage was

performed in Su antara of Mo main on 23 May 2003 last 1/3 sector. Su is SD to

Me but with low points in WS for 7th house. But I am unable to understand a

basic formula that ,

When Su is in house B how Su will give the result of B, its SD should give the

result. Ma is its SD and Me is itself LoD. Both are strong in WS. These planets

did not furnish the result on the contrary Su a weak planet has given the event.

 

According to my thinking both the timings do not match with the event. I have

tried to find out the enough reason but in vague. I am not still satisfied with

my own thinking.

If you can give me the solid reason for the marriage on 23 May 2003, I shall

be highly grateful to you . Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

 

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Ash,

This chart is taken from archives where you have discussed this chart with

Krushna ji and Margarita.If you check up msg no.5106 you will come to know

everything. I put this chart because Krushna ji was telling that delay of Sa is

over during Me antara but when I casted this chart I found delay was over during

Sa antara second sector then why Sa did not give marriage in its third sector.

I could not understand the confusion between delay of Sa which is ending in Me

antara as per Krushna Ji where as according to my calculation it ends during Sa

antara.

You also agree that marriage could have been much earlier.Please see it in your

leisure time and post your findings.Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

 

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

I am curious to know the souce of birth time, and if the birth time

was noted what was the original birth time before it was rectified?

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, Ash <ashsam73

wrote:

>

> Dear Ramesh,

> Try the chart with 19:05 birth time. And recalculate. You can

verify other events too.

> With the given time, he shoudl have married much earlier.

> Try with the above time and see.

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

> Dear Ash and list members,

> I would like to bring forward this chart for further discussion

and

> leasrning purpose.The details of chart is DOB-04 Oct 1972, TOB-18-

50

> am corrected, POB Satara 17 N 42,74 E 02India.

> The Asc is 29 Pi 09, Su 18Vi49, Mo 16 Leo 53.

> In this chart there is full delay caused by Sa. So delay will be

> over when Sa enters 0 deg Aries. Sa enters Aries sometime during

Apr

> last in 1998.That time native was passing through Sa antara in Mo

> main period.LoD is Me and LoE is Sa.Since the period of delay is

> over in Sa antara a delay causing period in its second sector.Sa

> being LoE with highest 27 points in WS for 7th house could have

> given marriage.

> Next antara was that of Me who is LoD WITH 17 points in WS for 7th

> house did also not give marriage.

> It has been cleared by Sri Krushna Ji that Ke who is in house D

can

> not give marriage. The reason is well understood and I will also

> keep in mind this reference point for future analysis. The

marriage

> took place in Sun antara on 23 May 2003.Su has only 10 points in

WS

> for 7th house.Su to Ve distance is approx.nearing 43 deg but less

> than 43 deg. Me/Ju 4/10. Su/Sa 5/9 Ma/Ve 2/12 totalling 50 points.

> But the position of two malefics Su and Ma in 7th house is not

> desirable. This combination gives the separation or disharmony in

> the married life.

> If you consider this way then marriage in Su antara is OK.

> When you consider the break in marriage then it does not show any

> break in marriage but on the contrary it has long life for

marriage.

> In this case I could not understand the marriage in Su antara.

> Could you please explain it, Ash.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

> , " krushanain "

> <krushanain@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Margarita, Ash, and other Members,

> > The chart given is for delayed marriage. Saturn is the

> main

> > cause for delay. ( Mars, Mercury, lords of A and B are under

> > influence of Satrun)

> > In Ketu Antar native had completed the delay period. Ketu

> > represents Me and Ju. Which are having Good points. At the same

> time

> > they are lords of Lagna and 7th house. Ketu represents both

> houses.

> > When two planets are lords of opposite places they are not

friens

> and

> > even not samdharmi. (If Venus is in 7th from Saturn it is not

> > considered as samdharmi.)

> > In this perticular case Ketu is situated in house D. So as

> > per general rule it should give the result. ( if rahu or Ketu

are

> > situated in D or E, they give the result on preority) In the

last

> 10

> > degrees of Gemini Ketu represents Me and Ju. For Pisces asc.

> > perticularly This Ketu can not give the result.

> > Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage,

> but

> > it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars,

> and

> > also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

> > happened in the last 1/3 of Sun.

> > When her father had been to me he told me the time near

> about

> > 7 o clock. It gives Arises asc. All the planets are having good

> > strength for 7th house except Venus. (Venus is 2nd lord and

> becames

> > weak, But it is also NK) In that case marriage must have been

> > performed in Ketu sub. So I got confused, and told him, There

must

> be

> > difference in time.

> > When actual result happened, I asked him chart. He given

> me

> > and the time given in chart is 6:50 PM. With this time every

thing

> > changed.

> > This is a very special case of Ketu, in Gemini and for

> Pisces

> > Ascendant, where Ketu can not give the result.

> > Members should not get confused I.E. Rahu Ketu in Cancer

> in

> > 3:20 to 16:40, Or in Capricorn 10:00 to 23:20. In these

situation

> > they can not represent B and 7th lord from house B.

> >

> > A good churning of opinions, but no body touched 1:7 lord

> > ship. Any how now this will not be forgotten in future.

> > thanks

> > krushna

> >

> >

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > > Dear Margarita,

> > > Thanks for your feedback. Yes I agree with you. There must be

> > > something that we are overlooking.

> > > I am eagerly waiting for Krushnajis answer and explanation of

a

> few

> > > basic concepts clarifications brought to surface with this

> exercise.

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " dirk &

> margarita

> > > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > > Hello Ash,

> > > > I write some comments in your text

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > > Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:06 PM

> > > >

> > > > Re: Delayed marriage

> chart -

> > > > Clarification on lagna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Margarita,

> > > >

> > > > Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions

> rather

> > > little

> > > > confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji to

> > clarify

> > > the

> > > > same.

> > > >

> > > > I shall try with Aries lagna first.

> > > >

> > > > Aries lagna

> > > > -----------

> > > > YES THIS IS TEMPTING BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF ALL

> PLANETS

> > > WITH 6TH

> > > > LORD BUT ANTAR OF SUN DOESN'T FIT

> > > >

> > > > 1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all

> planets

> > > become

> > > > samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon, Saturn,

> > > Jupiter

> > > > are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who are

> in

> > 6th

> > > > house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its points.

> > **Now

> > > > here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but should it

> give

> > > > to " ALL " planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get its

> points

> > > > making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will become

> > > samdharmi

> > > > to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam and so

> its

> > > > quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped up.

> So

> > its

> > > > effects will be felt quite strongly.

> > > > I THINK ONLY ONE PLANET CAN GET GURU'S POINTS. I CHOSE MARS

> > > BECAUSE HE

> > > > SEEMS THE MOST MALEFIC BUT KRUSHNA STATES THAT THE POINTS

WENT

> TO

> > > THE SUN.

> > > > ANYWAY, IF MARS GETS DE POINTS SUN HAS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE

> EVENT

> > > HAPPEN IN

> > > > HIS SUB AND AS SHE MARRIED IN SUN SUB THERE MUST BE AN

OBSCURE

> > > REASON WHY

> > > > SUN GOT THESE POINTS.

> > > >

> > > > 3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has highest

> > points

> > > > for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru going

> to

> > > Mars)

> > > > if that happens then *though* venus has less points only 4 in

> > > > worksheet for 7th house it should still give results being

> > natural

> > > > samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus antra

> but it

> > > > happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....

> > > >

> > > > 3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we know

> > planets

> > > in

> > > > 6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more power

> to

> > > break

> > > > marriage rather than cause it.... ???

> > > >

> > > > 4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as well

> as

> > > Aries

> > > > so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should have

> > > caused an

> > > > early marraige .... ???

> > > >

> > > > 5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on delay

> > > marriage,

> > > > Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A and

> its

> > LOC

> > > > but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so it

> > should

> > > have

> > > > given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ??? So

> this

> > > part

> > > > is not matching... but with the same token mostly all

> planets

> > are

> > > > samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ... here

> I

> > > still

> > > > do not know how to time the same when so many planets are

> > > samdharmi

> > > > to 6th lord...

> > > >

> > > > 6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent due to

> > fact

> > > that

> > > > its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled by

> > Mercury

> > > as

> > > > its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt i.e.

> NK

> > and

> > > FK

> > > > both in this case being Venus

> > > >

> > > > Pisces Lagna

> > > > ------------

> > > >

> > > > 1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru is

> > > samdharmi

> > > > so its having check so this result of 12th from B in House B

> is

> > > under

> > > > check.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Here Mars period came early and being natural baramoter

> for

> > > female

> > > > sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???

> > > > IF SUN GETS THE POINTS MARS IS NOT SO STRONG

> > > >

> > > > 3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT it has

> low

> > > > points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it cant

> give

> > > result

> > > > as it can only give results if it were to have points > 12.

> And

> > > > Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its better

> to

> > not

> > > > have marriage in this antra.

> > > >

> > > > 4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17 points in

> the

> > > > worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it

> becomes

> > > even

> > > > more eager to give results.

> > > >

> > > > 5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and Jupiter

> in

> > > > Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the nodes

> that

> > > way

> > > > as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are ONLY

> > > samdharmi to

> > > > Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI chart

> > > ONLY ???

> > > > I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not considered the

> > > > samdharmi of nodes this way...???

> > > > I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT? KETU IS ONLY SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY

> AND

> > > JUPITER BUT

> > > > THIS GIVES NO EXPLANATION WHY KETU DID'T GIVE THE RESULT SO

I

> > HOPED

> > > FOR THE

> > > > SUN ?????? !!!!!!! BUT THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING OF MAY PART

> > > > 6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa, Drekkhana

> and

> > > > Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik

> sthan ???

> > > >

> > > > 7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from Guru...

> as

> > I

> > > > thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a planet

> and

> > > > planets in 10th were with less points then only 1 planet

> could

> > get

> > > > points from planet in 4th and in this case that would be

> Mars

> > so

> > > why

> > > > do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all planets

> get

> > > points

> > > > from planet in 10th ? Do all planets become " samdharmi " and

> > only

> > > 1

> > > > planet get " points " from planet in 10th place and here in

> this

> > > case

> > > > its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I need

> > > > clarificaion ..... ???

> > > > I WAS READING THIS SECTION AGAIN IN THE LESSONS / ONLY ONE

> > > PLANET GETS

> > > > THE POINTS AND IT4S THE MOST MALEFIC. I THINK MARS IS MORE

> > MALEFIC

> > > TO

> > > > MERCURY THAN THE SUN, WE HAVER TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS MATTER

> > > > I am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being able

> to

> > > give

> > > > results...

> > > >

> > > > I am looking forward to the answer and some clarifications

> > > pleaes ?

> > > > WELL ASH, I3M IN THE SAME FIX AS YOU ARE. PROBABLY WE ARE

> > > OVERLOOKING THE

> > > > MOST OBVIOUS FACTOR OR THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE

> CHART

> > OR

> > > THE TOB,

> > > > REMEMBER I ADAPTED IT BECAUSE THE ONE KRUSHNA GAVE FELL IN

10°

> > > PISCES ANED

> > > > DID NOT MATCH HIS SAYING : " WITH CORRECTION OF 2/3 MINUTES

ASC

> > > CHANGES. "

> > > > I ASKED KRUSHNA TO HELP US OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. I HOPE HE

> > FINDS

> > > TIME

> > > > BEST REGARDS

> > > > MARGARITA

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> >

 

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