Delayed marriage chart - One more point

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Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and list members,

 

I forgot to point out one more point and I do not if this is valid

but with Pisces lagna, I found that in 7 spots Mercury was in 1st

house in Shodamsa and in 7 spots Mercury was in 7th house.

 

I also found Mercury in 4 spots in Shodamsa in Virgo ?

 

Dont know if it matters but thought of giving it anyways ...

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> Dear Margarita,

>

> Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions rather

little

> confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji to clarify

the

> same.

>

> I shall try with Aries lagna first.

>

> Aries lagna

> -----------

>

> 1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all planets

become

> samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon, Saturn,

Jupiter

> are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord.

>

> 2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who are in 6th

> house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its points. **Now

> here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but should it give

> to " ALL " planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get its points

> making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will become

samdharmi

> to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam and so its

> quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped up. So its

> effects will be felt quite strongly.

>

> 3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has highest points

> for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru going to Mars)

> if that happens then *though* venus has less points only 4 in

> worksheet for 7th house it should still give results being natural

> samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus antra but it

> happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....

>

> 3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we know planets in

> 6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more power to break

> marriage rather than cause it.... ???

>

> 4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as well as

Aries

> so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should have caused

an

> early marraige .... ???

>

> 5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on delay

marriage,

> Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A and its LOC

> but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so it should

have

> given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ??? So this

part

> is not matching... but with the same token mostly all planets are

> samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ... here I

still

> do not know how to time the same when so many planets are samdharmi

> to 6th lord...

>

> 6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent due to fact

that

> its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled by Mercury as

> its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt i.e. NK and

FK

> both in this case being Venus

>

> Pisces Lagna

> ------------

>

> 1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru is samdharmi

> so its having check so this result of 12th from B in House B is

under

> check.

>

> 2) Here Mars period came early and being natural baramoter for

female

> sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???

>

> 3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT it has low

> points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it cant give

result

> as it can only give results if it were to have points > 12. And

> Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its better to not

> have marriage in this antra.

>

> 4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17 points in the

> worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it becomes even

> more eager to give results.

>

> 5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and Jupiter in

> Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the nodes that way

> as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are ONLY samdharmi

to

> Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI chart

ONLY ???

> I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not considered the

> samdharmi of nodes this way...???

>

> 6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa, Drekkhana and

> Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik sthan ???

>

> 7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from Guru... as I

> thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a planet and

> planets in 10th were with less points then only 1 planet could get

> points from planet in 4th and in this case that would be Mars so

why

> do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all planets get

points

> from planet in 10th ? Do all planets become " samdharmi " and only 1

> planet get " points " from planet in 10th place and here in this case

> its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I need

> clarificaion ..... ???

>

> I am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being able to give

> results...

>

> I am looking forward to the answer and some clarifications pleaes ?

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " dirk & margarita

> lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > Yes Ash, I also tried with Aries lagna but then the date of 23

> march 2003

> > doesn't match the Sun sub period.

> > Krushna states that Mars is situated in the 7th house = OK for

> pisces asc

> > He also says that Sun is 12th from B = OK for pisces asc.

> > So I suppose we have to stick to the Pisces asc, also because she

> married in

> > the last days of Moon/sun

> > Good luck , looking forward to read you

> > Margarita

> >

> > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > Saturday, June 28, 2003 6:56 PM

> >

> > Re: Delayed marriage chart -

> > Clarification on lagna

> >

> >

> > Dear Margartia,

> > I still have not got a chance to give more time to study the

> chart,

> > but if you take Aries lagna also 6th lord becomes Mercury.

Ketu

> then

> > gets placed in Gemini in 3rd house so its samdharmi to 6th

lord.

> In

> > that case I do not think the karak is spoilt so Ketu may delay

> > marriage and let its antra pass without giving marriage.

> >

> > This is one point I thought of with Aries being lagna. One

other

> > thing the delay factor with Aries lagna is not matching fully.

> Venus

> > i.e. 2nd and 7th lord is not aspected by Shani so I do not know

> with

> > that lagna can give so much delay....

> >

> > Will think more on it and then write ..

> > Thanks,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " dirk &

margarita

> > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > Hello Ash, Thanks for the mail. I see what you mean. If Sun

is

> not

> > spared of

> > > being 12th from B then things seem clear to me. Mars, Mercury

> are

> > samdharmi

> > > to Sun in Rasi; Ketu and Jupiter are samdharmi to Sun in

> navamsa;

> > so this

> > > then could be the reason why Ketu could not give results ????

> If,

> > like

> > > Krushna sates it's the Sun who get points from Jupiter, it

gets

> 28

> > points

> > > for the 7th.

> > > Best regaards

> > > Margarita

> > >

> > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > Friday, June 27, 2003 11:44 PM

> > >

> > > Re: Delayed marriage

> chart -

> > > Clarification on lagna

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Margarita,

> > > For Pisces ascendent Sun is 6th lord and its placed in 7th

> house.

> > > But here Sun will not take the qualities of 6th lord, but

> still

> > it is

> > > not spared by being 12th from B. Only for 7th house this

is

> the

> > case

> > > where 6th lord acts as both 6th lord as well as 12th from B.

> > >

> > > So there are 2 laws, one is for 6th lord characteristics

> which Sun

> > > and Moon do not take, but they are not spared as being 12th

> from

> > 7th

> > > house. So the law of 12th from B in House B still applies

> which

> > will

> > > reduce the happiness of 7th house but it will not act like

6th

> > lord.

> > > So planet in 4th from it with more points will not get

spoilt

> by

> > > becoming samdharmi to it.

> > >

> > > Yes the confusing part is if 12th from B gets points and

> becomes

> > > strong it will use its strength to further reduce the

> > beneficiance of

> > > the house in this case 7th house because its 12th from B

and

> not

> > > because its 6th lord.

> > >

> > > These are points I could think off, I am still pondering

over

> it.

> > > Its quite late at night here so I shall think more about

this

> > > tomorrow.

> > >

> > > I think this chart will exercise most of the laws taught

> lol.... a

> > > good exercise...

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " dirk &

> margarita

> > > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > > Yes Ash, But I don't remember this mail about the delay.

I

> was

> > > probably

> > > > somewhere and off the list for some time so it escaped

me. I

> > > will " chew " on

> > > > this chart because there are some confusing remarks in

> Krushna's

> > > text . He

> > > > states " Sun is 6th lord. So no qualities of 6th lord. But

> it is

> > > 12th lord

> > > > from B " . This is not correct for pisces asc. This is

> correct for

> > > Aries asc.

> > > > But then he says that Sun is situated with Mars in the

7th;

> so

> > > again this is

> > > > based on Pisces asc. I think we are missing something or

> > otherwise

> > > there was

> > > > a confusion somewhere. Anyway, I will try to solve this

> problem

> > > > Best regards

> > > > Margarita

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > > Friday, June 27, 2003 12:01 PM

> > > >

> > > > Re: Delayed marriage

> > chart -

> > > > Clarification on lagna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Margarita,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, thanks with 18:50 this makes more sense. Now with

> this

> > time

> > > I

> > > > get 29Pi15 and Navamsa of Pisces. Shani is still LOC

and

> is

> > > > aspecting LOB and LOA in Navamsa. So full delay.

> > > > Also with this time my doubt about Mercury antra

running

> at

> > the

> > > time

> > > > of the native turning 27.5 is also kinda solved (though

> not

> > fully)

> > > > as Mercury antra ends on 2000/06.

> > > > At the time she turns 27.5 its 4th April 2000. so just

> still

> > 2

> > > > months are left of Mercury's antra.

> > > >

> > > > Now long time back I remember Krushnaji saying that if

at

> the

> > time

> > > > of delay getting over and if at that time it falls in

the

> last

> > > 1/3rd

> > > > portion of the significator or powerful significator

then

> the

> > even

> > > > will not happen ???? I would like Krushnaji to confirm

> this

> > part

> > > and

> > > > some reasoning behind this...

> > > >

> > > > In any case now its better as Ketu antra is running

after

> > that...

> > > > and is more in line.. but still I will think more over

> this

> > in the

> > > > this evening or tomorrow ... and pick it up from

> there.... I

> > think

> > > > we should study both ascendents.... just to make sure...

> > > >

> > > > Very interesting... :=)

> > > >

> > > > Thanks Krushnaji for posting this chart....

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > , " dirk &

> > margarita

> > > > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > > > Hello Ash,

> > > > > I also was wondering but then I thought Krushna

spelled

> > > something

> > > > wrong in

> > > > > the TOB because I'm also getting 10°28 pisces. So I

> played

> > > around

> > > > and am now

> > > > > looking at a TOB for 18h50 of 6.50 pm. This gives asc

> 29°11

> > > pisces

> > > > and keeps

> > > > > the marriage date in the right antra. I'v got Sun

antra

> > between

> > > 29

> > > > september

> > > > > 2002 and 30 march 2003. So I'm going to work on that

> because

> > > > according to

> > > > > the facts stated by Krushna it has to be pisces asc.

> > > > > I cannot work on the chart right now but will pick it

up

> > this

> > > > evening

> > > > > Good luck

> > > > > Margarita

> > > > >

> > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > > > Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: Delayed

> marriage

> > > chart -

> > > > > Clarification on lagna

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krushnaji,

> > > > > I casted the chart and before I go into it I wanted

to

> > > confirm.

> > > > I

> > > > > got lagna at 10Pi28 with Navasa rising as Libra.

> > > > >

> > > > > You have mentioned in this mail about lagna

changing

> with

> > 2/3

> > > > mins

> > > > > diff, this is not happening with the data given.

Am I

> > doing

> > > > > something wrong ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Also another thing I wanted clarifications on is the

> > planet

> > > > getting

> > > > > points.. Sun and Mars both are with 2 bindus and in

> 10th

> > from

> > > > Guru

> > > > > but you had said that only 1 planet will get the

> points

> > so in

> > > > this

> > > > > case since Sun and Mars both are with equal less

> bindus

> > then

> > > the

> > > > > next step would be to check who is more malefic to

the

> > sign

> > > its

> > > > > placed in.. i this case then only Mars should get

> points,

> > so

> > > why

> > > > > have you considered both Sun and Mars getting

points

> from

> > > Guru...

> > > > > I need to clarify this basic doubt.

> > > > >

> > > > > I also have another question that you did not have

> after

> > > looking

> > > > at

> > > > > the chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > This lady is born 2nd Oct 1972 so delay is there as

> Shani

> > is

> > > LOC

> > > > and

> > > > > it aspects LOA and LOB in Navamsa and no check from

> Guru

> > is

> > > > there so

> > > > > fully delay so after 27.5 years the date falls to

> > 2000/May.

> > > > > This falls in Mercurys antra in the first part.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mercury being LOD and in House B vargottama... how

> come

> > it did

> > > > not

> > > > > give results.

> > > > >

> > > > > After that its Ketus antra.. but why did u not

> consider

> > > Mercurys

> > > > > antra ? or what is also the reason why Marriage

did

> not

> > take

> > > > place

> > > > > in Mercury's antra ?

> > > > >

> > > > > I had these doubts and so I also posted them.. I

shall

> > study

> > > > further

> > > > > w.r.t. your questions regarding why Ketu's antra

did

> not

> > give

> > > > > marriage ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanking you,

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > , " krushanain "

> > > > > <krushanain> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > > Some 5 /6 days back one person met me. He

> was

> > > looking

> > > > in

> > > > > > relaxed mood. He told me his daughter got married

on

> > 23rd

> > > May

> > > > > 2003. I

> > > > > > remembered he had been to me some two years back,

> and

> > shown

> > > the

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > of his daughter. I asked him, if I had given him

any

> > date.

> > > He

> > > > said

> > > > > > no. You have not given me any date. You have told

> that

> > you

> > > are

> > > > > > confused, and told there must be some mistake in

> birth

> > time.

> > > > > > Following is the chart:

> > > > > > D.O.B. 4th October 1972 B.T. 05:50 Pm (GMT + 5.5)

> Place:

> > > > Satara,

> > > > > > India (17 N 42, 74 E 02)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is a chart of Delayed marriage.

> Marriage

> > must

> > > be

> > > > in

> > > > > Ketu

> > > > > > Anter. When he came to me, Ketu anter must have

> passed.

> > I

> > > might

> > > > > be

> > > > > > having the question, why she not married in Ketu

> anter?

> > > > > > The lagna is on the boundry. With 2/3 min

> > > difference it

> > > > > > changes. She got married in Sun's Antra. Sun is

> sixth

> > lord.

> > > So

> > > > no

> > > > > > qualities of Sixth lord. But it is 12th lord from

> B. It

> > is

> > > > > samdharmi

> > > > > > to Mars. Mars is having good strength, but having

> sight

> > on

> > > 2nd

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > So it cant give the result it self. Sun is natural

> > > samdharmi to

> > > > > Mars,

> > > > > > and also situated with Mars in 7th house.

> > > > > > Sun is also with less points, and

situated

> in

> > the

> > > 10th

> > > > > place

> > > > > > from Jupiter. So this will also get strength from

> > Jupiter.

> > > Now

> > > > > > considering Sun as a powerful planet for

marriage,

> every

> > > thing

> > > > is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the frame. Venus is weak for marriage. So

marriage

> not

> > > > happened

> > > > > in

> > > > > > Venus Sub.

> > > > > > Still Problem for Ketu sub remained. It

was

> > > continued

> > > > when

> > > > > > the age of the girl was 27.5 year. wHY MARRIAGE

NOT

> > > HAPPENED IN

> > > > > kETU

> > > > > > sUB?

> > > > > > krushna

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >