Delay period over in last 1/3rd part - Margarita

July 2, 2003

Dear Margarita,

I had been searching for this mail wherein Krushnaji had given this

analysis and the delay had gotten over in the last 1/3rd part of

running antra.

Here is the mail.

/message/1600

This is what I wanted to say... this mail clarifies it. Maybe

Krushnaji can give us some more understanding of this phenemon.

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " dirk & margarita

lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> Yes Ash, But I don't remember this mail about the delay. I was

probably

> somewhere and off the list for some time so it escaped me. I

will " chew " on

> this chart because there are some confusing remarks in Krushna's

text . He

> states " Sun is 6th lord. So no qualities of 6th lord. But it is

12th lord

> from B " . This is not correct for pisces asc. This is correct for

Aries asc.

> But then he says that Sun is situated with Mars in the 7th; so

again this is

> based on Pisces asc. I think we are missing something or otherwise

there was

> a confusion somewhere. Anyway, I will try to solve this problem

> Best regards

> Margarita

>

> ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> Friday, June 27, 2003 12:01 PM

>

> Re: Delayed marriage chart -

> Clarification on lagna

>

> Dear Margarita,

>

> Yes, thanks with 18:50 this makes more sense. Now with this

time I

> get 29Pi15 and Navamsa of Pisces. Shani is still LOC and is

> aspecting LOB and LOA in Navamsa. So full delay.

> Also with this time my doubt about Mercury antra running at the

time

> of the native turning 27.5 is also kinda solved (though not

fully)

> as Mercury antra ends on 2000/06.

> At the time she turns 27.5 its 4th April 2000. so just still 2

> months are left of Mercury's antra.

>

> Now long time back I remember Krushnaji saying that if at the

time

> of delay getting over and if at that time it falls in the last

1/3rd

> portion of the significator or powerful significator then the

even

> will not happen ???? I would like Krushnaji to confirm this part

and

> some reasoning behind this...

>

> In any case now its better as Ketu antra is running after that...

> and is more in line.. but still I will think more over this in

the

> this evening or tomorrow ... and pick it up from there.... I

think

> we should study both ascendents.... just to make sure...

>

> Very interesting... :=)

>

> Thanks Krushnaji for posting this chart....

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " dirk &

margarita

> lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > Hello Ash,

> > I also was wondering but then I thought Krushna spelled

something

> wrong in

> > the TOB because I'm also getting 10°28 pisces. So I played

around

> and am now

> > looking at a TOB for 18h50 of 6.50 pm. This gives asc 29°11

pisces

> and keeps

> > the marriage date in the right antra. I'v got Sun antra

between 29

> september

> > 2002 and 30 march 2003. So I'm going to work on that because

> according to

> > the facts stated by Krushna it has to be pisces asc.

> > I cannot work on the chart right now but will pick it up this

> evening

> > Good luck

> > Margarita

> >

> > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 AM

> >

> > Re: Delayed marriage

chart -

> > Clarification on lagna

> >

> > Dear Krushnaji,

> > I casted the chart and before I go into it I wanted to

confirm.

> I

> > got lagna at 10Pi28 with Navasa rising as Libra.

> >

> > You have mentioned in this mail about lagna changing with 2/3

> mins

> > diff, this is not happening with the data given. Am I doing

> > something wrong ?

> >

> > Also another thing I wanted clarifications on is the planet

> getting

> > points.. Sun and Mars both are with 2 bindus and in 10th from

> Guru

> > but you had said that only 1 planet will get the points so in

> this

> > case since Sun and Mars both are with equal less bindus then

the

> > next step would be to check who is more malefic to the sign

its

> > placed in.. i this case then only Mars should get points, so

why

> > have you considered both Sun and Mars getting points from

Guru...

> > I need to clarify this basic doubt.

> >

> > I also have another question that you did not have after

looking

> at

> > the chart.

> >

> > This lady is born 2nd Oct 1972 so delay is there as Shani is

LOC

> and

> > it aspects LOA and LOB in Navamsa and no check from Guru is

> there so

> > fully delay so after 27.5 years the date falls to 2000/May.

> > This falls in Mercurys antra in the first part.

> >

> > Mercury being LOD and in House B vargottama... how come it

did

> not

> > give results.

> >

> > After that its Ketus antra.. but why did u not consider

Mercurys

> > antra ? or what is also the reason why Marriage did not take

> place

> > in Mercury's antra ?

> >

> > I had these doubts and so I also posted them.. I shall study

> further

> > w.r.t. your questions regarding why Ketu's antra did not give

> > marriage ?

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " krushanain "

> > <krushanain> wrote:

> > > Dear members,

> > > Some 5 /6 days back one person met me. He was

looking

> in

> > > relaxed mood. He told me his daughter got married on 23rd

May

> > 2003. I

> > > remembered he had been to me some two years back, and

shown the

> > chart

> > > of his daughter. I asked him, if I had given him any date.

He

> said

> > > no. You have not given me any date. You have told that you

are

> > > confused, and told there must be some mistake in birth

time.

> > > Following is the chart:

> > > D.O.B. 4th October 1972 B.T. 05:50 Pm (GMT + 5.5) Place:

> Satara,

> > > India (17 N 42, 74 E 02)

> > >

> > > This is a chart of Delayed marriage. Marriage must

be

> in

> > Ketu

> > > Anter. When he came to me, Ketu anter must have passed. I

might

> > be

> > > having the question, why she not married in Ketu anter?

> > > The lagna is on the boundry. With 2/3 min

difference it

> > > changes. She got married in Sun's Antra. Sun is sixth

lord. So

> no

> > > qualities of Sixth lord. But it is 12th lord from B. It is

> > samdharmi

> > > to Mars. Mars is having good strength, but having sight on

2nd

> > house.

> > > So it cant give the result it self. Sun is natural

samdharmi to

> > Mars,

> > > and also situated with Mars in 7th house.

> > > Sun is also with less points, and situated in the

10th

> > place

> > > from Jupiter. So this will also get strength from Jupiter.

Now

> > > considering Sun as a powerful planet for marriage, every

thing

> is

> > in

> > > the frame. Venus is weak for marriage. So marriage not

> happened

> > in

> > > Venus Sub.

> > > Still Problem for Ketu sub remained. It was

continued

> when

> > > the age of the girl was 27.5 year. wHY MARRIAGE NOT

HAPPENED IN

> > kETU

> > > sUB?

> > > krushna

> >

July 2, 2003

Hello Ash,

I went through this chart again. I remeber that one clearly.

Now, I think Krushna's comment on this chart are also giving an answer on some questions raised a few days ago.

ABOUT LAST PART OF SUB PERIOD

In this special case it is a "legal" delay which is imposed on age of marriage. I suppose it's the only field were such a delay is imposed, so it applies only for marriage. She reached legal age in last part of Mars antar but Marss didn't give results (it's also weak for the 12th of course) Good to memorize this again !!

ABOUT DELAY THROUGH ASPECT BY SATURN

Saturn only aspects house A, no aspect on lords A,B and C so no delay. I noticed also that the two 0's didn't give delay in this case

ABOUT MARRIAGE IN LORD OF THE 6th

Well, lord of the 6th is not an obstacle for marriage. Of course if it doesn't obstruct the event, if intervenes in the "quality", but this is another matter.

Thanks for clarifications

Best regards

Margarita

ashsam73 [ashsam73]Wednesday, July 02, 2003 4:03 PM Subject: Delay period over in last 1/3rd part - MargaritaDear Margarita,I had been searching for this mail wherein Krushnaji had given this analysis and the delay had gotten over in the last 1/3rd part of running antra.Here is the mail. /message/1600This is what I wanted to say... this mail clarifies it. Maybe Krushnaji can give us some more understanding of this phenemon.Cheers !!!Ash , "dirk & margarita lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> Yes Ash, But I don't remember this mail about the delay. I was probably> somewhere and off the list for some time so it escaped me. I will "chew" on> this chart because there are some confusing remarks in Krushna's text . He> states "Sun is 6th lord. So no qualities of 6th lord. But it is 12th lord> from B". This is not correct for pisces asc. This is correct for Aries asc.> But then he says that Sun is situated with Mars in the 7th; so again this is> based on Pisces asc. I think we are missing something or otherwise there was> a confusion somewhere. Anyway, I will try to solve this problem> Best regards> Margarita> > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> Friday, June 27, 2003 12:01 PM> > Re: Delayed marriage chart -> Clarification on lagna> > > Dear Margarita,> > Yes, thanks with 18:50 this makes more sense. Now with this time I> get 29Pi15 and Navamsa of Pisces. Shani is still LOC and is> aspecting LOB and LOA in Navamsa. So full delay.> Also with this time my doubt about Mercury antra running at the time> of the native turning 27.5 is also kinda solved (though not fully)> as Mercury antra ends on 2000/06.> At the time she turns 27.5 its 4th April 2000. so just still 2> months are left of Mercury's antra.> > Now long time back I remember Krushnaji saying that if at the time> of delay getting over and if at that time it falls in the last 1/3rd> portion of the significator or powerful significator then the even> will not happen ???? I would like Krushnaji to confirm this part and> some reasoning behind this...> > In any case now its better as Ketu antra is running after that...> and is more in line.. but still I will think more over this in the> this evening or tomorrow ... and pick it up from there.... I think> we should study both ascendents.... just to make sure...> > Very interesting... :=)> > Thanks Krushnaji for posting this chart....> > Cheers !!!> Ash> > , "dirk & margarita> lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> > Hello Ash,> > I also was wondering but then I thought Krushna spelled something> wrong in> > the TOB because I'm also getting 10°28 pisces. So I played around> and am now> > looking at a TOB for 18h50 of 6.50 pm. This gives asc 29°11 pisces> and keeps> > the marriage date in the right antra. I'v got Sun antra between 29> september> > 2002 and 30 march 2003. So I'm going to work on that because> according to> > the facts stated by Krushna it has to be pisces asc.> > I cannot work on the chart right now but will pick it up this> evening> > Good luck> > Margarita> > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> > Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 AM> > > > Re: Delayed marriage chart -> > Clarification on lagna> >> >> > Dear Krushnaji,> > I casted the chart and before I go into it I wanted to confirm.> I> > got lagna at 10Pi28 with Navasa rising as Libra.> >> > You have mentioned in this mail about lagna changing with 2/3> mins> > diff, this is not happening with the data given. Am I doing> > something wrong ?> >> > Also another thing I wanted clarifications on is the planet> getting> > points.. Sun and Mars both are with 2 bindus and in 10th from> Guru> > but you had said that only 1 planet will get the points so in> this> > case since Sun and Mars both are with equal less bindus then the> > next step would be to check who is more malefic to the sign its> > placed in.. i this case then only Mars should get points, so why> > have you considered both Sun and Mars getting points from Guru...> > I need to clarify this basic doubt.> >> > I also have another question that you did not have after looking> at> > the chart.> >> > This lady is born 2nd Oct 1972 so delay is there as Shani is LOC> and> > it aspects LOA and LOB in Navamsa and no check from Guru is> there so> > fully delay so after 27.5 years the date falls to 2000/May.> > This falls in Mercurys antra in the first part.> >> > Mercury being LOD and in House B vargottama... how come it did> not> > give results.> >> > After that its Ketus antra.. but why did u not consider Mercurys> > antra ? or what is also the reason why Marriage did not take> place> > in Mercury's antra ?> >> > I had these doubts and so I also posted them.. I shall study> further> > w.r.t. your questions regarding why Ketu's antra did not give> > marriage ?> >> > Thanking you,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> >> > , "krushanain"> > <krushanain> wrote:> > > Dear members,> > > Some 5 /6 days back one person met me. He was looking> in> > > relaxed mood. He told me his daughter got married on 23rd May> > 2003. I> > > remembered he had been to me some two years back, and shown the> > chart> > > of his daughter. I asked him, if I had given him any date. He> said> > > no. You have not given me any date. You have told that you are> > > confused, and told there must be some mistake in birth time.> > > Following is the chart:> > > D.O.B. 4th October 1972 B.T. 05:50 Pm (GMT + 5.5) Place:> Satara,> > > India (17 N 42, 74 E 02)> > >> > > This is a chart of Delayed marriage. Marriage must be> in> > Ketu> > > Anter. When he came to me, Ketu anter must have passed. I might> > be> > > having the question, why she not married in Ketu anter?> > > The lagna is on the boundry. With 2/3 min difference it> > > changes. She got married in Sun's Antra. Sun is sixth lord. So> no> > > qualities of Sixth lord. But it is 12th lord from B. It is> > samdharmi> > > to Mars. Mars is having good strength, but having sight on 2nd> > house.> > > So it cant give the result it self. Sun is natural samdharmi to> > Mars,> > > and also situated with Mars in 7th house.> > > Sun is also with less points, and situated in the 10th> > place> > > from Jupiter. So this will also get strength from Jupiter. Now> > > considering Sun as a powerful planet for marriage, every thing> is> > in> > > the frame. Venus is weak for marriage. So marriage not> happened> > in> > > Venus Sub.> > > Still Problem for Ketu sub remained. It was continued> when> > > the age of the girl was 27.5 year. wHY MARRIAGE NOT HAPPENED IN> > kETU> > > sUB?> > > krushna> >> >> >

July 3, 2003

Dear Margarita,

LAST 1/3RD PART OF ANTRA

Yes, the legal age was in effect BUT nevertheless it got over and at

that time Last 1/3rd part of antra of a strong significator was

running. I wanted to clearly understand the reasoning behind the

event not happening.

Was it because

1) Mars was weak for next event i.e. House E (Marriage resulting in

bed comfort part so logic is if Marriage happened but no bed comfort

then logically event will not happen)

OR

2) Is it some law that for ALL events when delay is getting over and

antra running is of strong significator or LOD or LOE then that

event will not take place ?

ZERO POINTS AND NO DELAY CONSIDERED ?

For 2 zero spots by planets and that did not cause delay. I do

understand that this marriage was going to have its share of

difficulty and possibly a break so my questions again is

How do we judge when to ADD DELAY DUE TO ZERO POINTS v/s NOT TO AS

IT WAS IN THIS CASE ?

MARRIAGE IN ANTRA OF 6TH LORD

Yes, if 6th lord is strong and other factors are present in the

chart then Marriage will happen in 6th lord or lowest significator

but it will break in strongest significator or LOD or LOE. So going

on that logic marraiges can happen in 6th lords antra if its

strong. I guess thats why its better to have 6th lords points in

worksheet less i.e. < 12 so that it does not have power to give

results and maybe thats why its also better for 6th lord not to

become Samdharmi to LOD or LOE cause it may give the result or can

be deputed to do the result and if that happens then there will some

problem or the other and severity will depend on other factors in

the chart.

But I think we would need more practice as Gandharva Vivah does not

follow standard procedure and I think there checking relation

between shani, mars, venus and rahu of both charts and divisional

chart placement for 5th, 12th and 7th house lords play a more vital

role.

Also for other events too in some mail it was given that its better

to have points of 12th from B to have less points for House B as it

does not have enough power then to cause problems or revert things.

Please shed some light,

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " dirk & margarita

lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> Hello Ash,

> I went through this chart again. I remeber that one clearly.

> Now, I think Krushna's comment on this chart are also giving an

answer on

> some questions raised a few days ago.

> ABOUT LAST PART OF SUB PERIOD

> In this special case it is a " legal " delay which is imposed on age

of

> marriage. I suppose it's the only field were such a delay is

imposed, so it

> applies only for marriage. She reached legal age in last part of

Mars antar

> but Marss didn't give results (it's also weak for the 12th of

course) Good

> to memorize this again !!

> ABOUT DELAY THROUGH ASPECT BY SATURN

> Saturn only aspects house A, no aspect on lords A,B and C so no

delay. I

> noticed also that the two 0's didn't give delay in this case

> ABOUT MARRIAGE IN LORD OF THE 6th

> Well, lord of the 6th is not an obstacle for marriage. Of course

if it

> doesn't obstruct the event, if intervenes in the " quality " , but

this is

> another matter.

> Thanks for clarifications

> Best regards

> Margarita

>

> ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> Wednesday, July 02, 2003 4:03 PM

>

> Delay period over in last

1/3rd part -

> Margarita

>

> Dear Margarita,

> I had been searching for this mail wherein Krushnaji had given

this

> analysis and the delay had gotten over in the last 1/3rd part of

> running antra.

>

> Here is the mail.

>

/message/1600

>

> This is what I wanted to say... this mail clarifies it. Maybe

> Krushnaji can give us some more understanding of this phenemon.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " dirk &

margarita

> lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > Yes Ash, But I don't remember this mail about the delay. I was

> probably

> > somewhere and off the list for some time so it escaped me. I

> will " chew " on

> > this chart because there are some confusing remarks in

Krushna's

> text . He

> > states " Sun is 6th lord. So no qualities of 6th lord. But it is

> 12th lord

> > from B " . This is not correct for pisces asc. This is correct

for

> Aries asc.

> > But then he says that Sun is situated with Mars in the 7th; so

> again this is

> > based on Pisces asc. I think we are missing something or

otherwise

> there was

> > a confusion somewhere. Anyway, I will try to solve this problem

> > Best regards

> > Margarita

> >

> > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > Friday, June 27, 2003 12:01 PM

> >

> > Re: Delayed marriage

chart -

> > Clarification on lagna

> >

> > Dear Margarita,

> >

> > Yes, thanks with 18:50 this makes more sense. Now with this

> time I

> > get 29Pi15 and Navamsa of Pisces. Shani is still LOC and is

> > aspecting LOB and LOA in Navamsa. So full delay.

> > Also with this time my doubt about Mercury antra running at

the

> time

> > of the native turning 27.5 is also kinda solved (though not

> fully)

> > as Mercury antra ends on 2000/06.

> > At the time she turns 27.5 its 4th April 2000. so just

still 2

> > months are left of Mercury's antra.

> >

> > Now long time back I remember Krushnaji saying that if at the

> time

> > of delay getting over and if at that time it falls in the

last

> 1/3rd

> > portion of the significator or powerful significator then the

> even

> > will not happen ???? I would like Krushnaji to confirm this

part

> and

> > some reasoning behind this...

> >

> > In any case now its better as Ketu antra is running after

that...

> > and is more in line.. but still I will think more over this

in

> the

> > this evening or tomorrow ... and pick it up from there.... I

> think

> > we should study both ascendents.... just to make sure...

> >

> > Very interesting... :=)

> >

> > Thanks Krushnaji for posting this chart....

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " dirk &

> margarita

> > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > Hello Ash,

> > > I also was wondering but then I thought Krushna spelled

> something

> > wrong in

> > > the TOB because I'm also getting 10°28 pisces. So I played

> around

> > and am now

> > > looking at a TOB for 18h50 of 6.50 pm. This gives asc 29°11

> pisces

> > and keeps

> > > the marriage date in the right antra. I'v got Sun antra

> between 29

> > september

> > > 2002 and 30 march 2003. So I'm going to work on that

because

> > according to

> > > the facts stated by Krushna it has to be pisces asc.

> > > I cannot work on the chart right now but will pick it up

this

> > evening

> > > Good luck

> > > Margarita

> > >

> > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 AM

> > >

> > > Re: Delayed marriage

> chart -

> > > Clarification on lagna

> > >

> > > Dear Krushnaji,

> > > I casted the chart and before I go into it I wanted to

> confirm.

> > I

> > > got lagna at 10Pi28 with Navasa rising as Libra.

> > >

> > > You have mentioned in this mail about lagna changing

with 2/3

> > mins

> > > diff, this is not happening with the data given. Am I

doing

> > > something wrong ?

> > >

> > > Also another thing I wanted clarifications on is the

planet

> > getting

> > > points.. Sun and Mars both are with 2 bindus and in 10th

from

> > Guru

> > > but you had said that only 1 planet will get the points

so in

> > this

> > > case since Sun and Mars both are with equal less bindus

then

> the

> > > next step would be to check who is more malefic to the

sign

> its

> > > placed in.. i this case then only Mars should get

points, so

> why

> > > have you considered both Sun and Mars getting points from

> Guru...

> > > I need to clarify this basic doubt.

> > >

> > > I also have another question that you did not have after

> looking

> > at

> > > the chart.

> > >

> > > This lady is born 2nd Oct 1972 so delay is there as

Shani is

> LOC

> > and

> > > it aspects LOA and LOB in Navamsa and no check from Guru

is

> > there so

> > > fully delay so after 27.5 years the date falls to

2000/May.

> > > This falls in Mercurys antra in the first part.

> > >

> > > Mercury being LOD and in House B vargottama... how come

it

> did

> > not

> > > give results.

> > >

> > > After that its Ketus antra.. but why did u not consider

> Mercurys

> > > antra ? or what is also the reason why Marriage did not

take

> > place

> > > in Mercury's antra ?

> > >

> > > I had these doubts and so I also posted them.. I shall

study

> > further

> > > w.r.t. your questions regarding why Ketu's antra did not

give

> > > marriage ?

> > >

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > --- In

, " krushanain "

> > > <krushanain> wrote:

> > > > Dear members,

> > > > Some 5 /6 days back one person met me. He was

> looking

> > in

> > > > relaxed mood. He told me his daughter got married on

23rd

> May

> > > 2003. I

> > > > remembered he had been to me some two years back, and

> shown the

> > > chart

> > > > of his daughter. I asked him, if I had given him any

date.

> He

> > said

> > > > no. You have not given me any date. You have told that

you

> are

> > > > confused, and told there must be some mistake in birth

> time.

> > > > Following is the chart:

> > > > D.O.B. 4th October 1972 B.T. 05:50 Pm (GMT + 5.5)

Place:

> > Satara,

> > > > India (17 N 42, 74 E 02)

> > > >

> > > > This is a chart of Delayed marriage. Marriage

must

> be

> > in

> > > Ketu

> > > > Anter. When he came to me, Ketu anter must have

passed. I

> might

> > > be

> > > > having the question, why she not married in Ketu anter?

> > > > The lagna is on the boundry. With 2/3 min

> difference it

> > > > changes. She got married in Sun's Antra. Sun is sixth

> lord. So

> > no

> > > > qualities of Sixth lord. But it is 12th lord from B.

It is

> > > samdharmi

> > > > to Mars. Mars is having good strength, but having

sight on

> 2nd

> > > house.

> > > > So it cant give the result it self. Sun is natural

> samdharmi to

> > > Mars,

> > > > and also situated with Mars in 7th house.

> > > > Sun is also with less points, and situated in

the

> 10th

> > > place

> > > > from Jupiter. So this will also get strength from

Jupiter.

> Now

> > > > considering Sun as a powerful planet for marriage,

every

> thing

> > is

> > > in

> > > > the frame. Venus is weak for marriage. So marriage not

> > happened

> > > in

> > > > Venus Sub.

> > > > Still Problem for Ketu sub remained. It was

> continued

> > when

> > > > the age of the girl was 27.5 year. wHY MARRIAGE NOT

> HAPPENED IN

> > > kETU

> > > > sUB?

> > > > krushna

> > >

July 3, 2003

Hello Ash,

See my comments in your own text.

ashsam73 [ashsam73]Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:16 AM Subject: Re: Delay period over in last 1/3rd part - Margarita

Dear Margarita,LAST 1/3RD PART OF ANTRAYes, the legal age was in effect BUT nevertheless it got over and at that time Last 1/3rd part of antra of a strong significator was running. I wanted to clearly understand the reasoning behind the event not happening.Was it because1) Mars was weak for next event i.e. House E (Marriage resulting in bed comfort part so logic is if Marriage happened but no bed comfort then logically event will not happen)OR 2) Is it some law that for ALL events when delay is getting over and antra running is of strong significator or LOD or LOE then that event will not take place ?

I WAS JUST THINKING (OF COURSE DON't KNOW IF THIS IS RIGHT) THAT THE END OF THE PERIOD LOOSES STRENGHT IN SOME WAY, OR THAT TIME HAS RAN OUT AND THAT THINGS DON'T HAPPEN ANYMORE IF THE PLANET HAS NOT ENOUGH STRENGHT TO PUSH THE EVENT. IN THIS CASE WE SEE THAT SATURN IS THE STRONGEST PLANET AND HIS ANTAR COMES EARLY. THIS MEANS THAT SHE IS IN SOME WAY OBSESSED WITH GETTING MARRIED BUT SHE CANNOT OF COURSE BECAUSE TOO YOUNG. NOW MARS COMES ALONG BUT HAS HE IS WEAAK FOR THE 12TH HE CANNOT BRING ANY RESULTS (ESPECIALLY IN THE END OF HIS PERIOD) SO JUPITER WAS EAGER TO ACT FOR SATURN. OF COURSE THIS STORY DOESN'T ILLUSTRATE ANY LAW BUT ANYWAY ???!!!ZERO POINTS AND NO DELAY CONSIDERED ?For 2 zero spots by planets and that did not cause delay. I do understand that this marriage was going to have its share of difficulty and possibly a break so my questions again is How do we judge when to ADD DELAY DUE TO ZERO POINTS v/s NOT TO AS IT WAS IN THIS CASE ? I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO EVALUATE THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR. HERE IT IS THAT SHE WANTED TO MRRY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SOMETHING INTERESTING ALSO CAUGHT MY EYE : IF MARS IS THE SEXUAL BAROMETER OF THE FEMALE AND MOON THE MIND LOOK AT MOON/MARS COMBINATIONS IN DIV. CHARTS. THEY ARE MOST INTERESTING. MARRIAGE IN ANTRA OF 6TH LORDYes, if 6th lord is strong and other factors are present in the chart then Marriage will happen in 6th lord or lowest significator but it will break in strongest significator or LOD or LOE. So going on that logic marraiges can happen in 6th lords antra if its strong. I guess thats why its better to have 6th lords points in worksheet less i.e. < 12 so that it does not have power to give results and maybe thats why its also better for 6th lord not to become Samdharmi to LOD or LOE cause it may give the result or can be deputed to do the result and if that happens then there will some problem or the other and severity will depend on other factors in the chart.

I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT YES, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY LOGICAL.. I THINK THAT THERE ARE ALSO OTHER FACTORS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, ESPECIALLY FOR MARRIAGE : "BAD" MARRIAGES ACCORDING TO POINTS PROBABLY SYRVIVE THROUGH FAVORABLE OVERLAPPINGS AND OTHER FACTORS ALSO.But I think we would need more practice as Gandharva Vivah does not follow standard procedure and I think there checking relation between shani, mars, venus and rahu of both charts and divisional chart placement for 5th, 12th and 7th house lords play a more vital role.Also for other events too in some mail it was given that its better to have points of 12th from B to have less points for House B as it does not have enough power then to cause problems or revert things. YES, THIS SOUNDS LOGICAL. INDEED MORE PRACTICE BRINGS MORE KNOWLEDGE? SO WE KEEP GOING.....

BEST REGARDS

MARGARITA Please shed some light,Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash , "dirk & margarita lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> Hello Ash,> I went through this chart again. I remeber that one clearly.> Now, I think Krushna's comment on this chart are also giving an answer on> some questions raised a few days ago.> ABOUT LAST PART OF SUB PERIOD> In this special case it is a "legal" delay which is imposed on age of> marriage. I suppose it's the only field were such a delay is imposed, so it> applies only for marriage. She reached legal age in last part of Mars antar> but Marss didn't give results (it's also weak for the 12th of course) Good> to memorize this again !!> ABOUT DELAY THROUGH ASPECT BY SATURN> Saturn only aspects house A, no aspect on lords A,B and C so no delay. I> noticed also that the two 0's didn't give delay in this case> ABOUT MARRIAGE IN LORD OF THE 6th> Well, lord of the 6th is not an obstacle for marriage. Of course if it> doesn't obstruct the event, if intervenes in the "quality", but this is> another matter.> Thanks for clarifications> Best regards> Margarita> > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> Wednesday, July 02, 2003 4:03 PM> > Delay period over in last 1/3rd part -> Margarita> > > Dear Margarita,> I had been searching for this mail wherein Krushnaji had given this> analysis and the delay had gotten over in the last 1/3rd part of> running antra.> > Here is the mail.> /message/1600> > This is what I wanted to say... this mail clarifies it. Maybe> Krushnaji can give us some more understanding of this phenemon.> > Cheers !!!> Ash> > , "dirk & margarita> lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> > Yes Ash, But I don't remember this mail about the delay. I was> probably> > somewhere and off the list for some time so it escaped me. I> will "chew" on> > this chart because there are some confusing remarks in Krushna's> text . He> > states "Sun is 6th lord. So no qualities of 6th lord. But it is> 12th lord> > from B". This is not correct for pisces asc. This is correct for> Aries asc.> > But then he says that Sun is situated with Mars in the 7th; so> again this is> > based on Pisces asc. I think we are missing something or otherwise> there was> > a confusion somewhere. Anyway, I will try to solve this problem> > Best regards> > Margarita> > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> > Friday, June 27, 2003 12:01 PM> > > > Re: Delayed marriage chart -> > Clarification on lagna> >> >> > Dear Margarita,> >> > Yes, thanks with 18:50 this makes more sense. Now with this> time I> > get 29Pi15 and Navamsa of Pisces. Shani is still LOC and is> > aspecting LOB and LOA in Navamsa. So full delay.> > Also with this time my doubt about Mercury antra running at the> time> > of the native turning 27.5 is also kinda solved (though not> fully)> > as Mercury antra ends on 2000/06.> > At the time she turns 27.5 its 4th April 2000. so just still 2> > months are left of Mercury's antra.> >> > Now long time back I remember Krushnaji saying that if at the> time> > of delay getting over and if at that time it falls in the last> 1/3rd> > portion of the significator or powerful significator then the> even> > will not happen ???? I would like Krushnaji to confirm this part> and> > some reasoning behind this...> >> > In any case now its better as Ketu antra is running after that...> > and is more in line.. but still I will think more over this in> the> > this evening or tomorrow ... and pick it up from there.... I> think> > we should study both ascendents.... just to make sure...> >> > Very interesting... :=)> >> > Thanks Krushnaji for posting this chart....> >> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> >> > , "dirk & > margarita> > lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> > > Hello Ash,> > > I also was wondering but then I thought Krushna spelled> something> > wrong in> > > the TOB because I'm also getting 10°28 pisces. So I played> around> > and am now> > > looking at a TOB for 18h50 of 6.50 pm. This gives asc 29°11> pisces> > and keeps> > > the marriage date in the right antra. I'v got Sun antra> between 29> > september> > > 2002 and 30 march 2003. So I'm going to work on that because> > according to> > > the facts stated by Krushna it has to be pisces asc.> > > I cannot work on the chart right now but will pick it up this> > evening> > > Good luck> > > Margarita> > > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> > > Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 AM> > > > > > Re: Delayed marriage> chart -> > > Clarification on lagna> > >> > >> > > Dear Krushnaji,> > > I casted the chart and before I go into it I wanted to> confirm.> > I> > > got lagna at 10Pi28 with Navasa rising as Libra.> > >> > > You have mentioned in this mail about lagna changing with 2/3> > mins> > > diff, this is not happening with the data given. Am I doing> > > something wrong ?> > >> > > Also another thing I wanted clarifications on is the planet> > getting> > > points.. Sun and Mars both are with 2 bindus and in 10th from> > Guru> > > but you had said that only 1 planet will get the points so in> > this> > > case since Sun and Mars both are with equal less bindus then> the> > > next step would be to check who is more malefic to the sign> its> > > placed in.. i this case then only Mars should get points, so> why> > > have you considered both Sun and Mars getting points from> Guru...> > > I need to clarify this basic doubt.> > >> > > I also have another question that you did not have after> looking> > at> > > the chart.> > >> > > This lady is born 2nd Oct 1972 so delay is there as Shani is> LOC> > and> > > it aspects LOA and LOB in Navamsa and no check from Guru is> > there so> > > fully delay so after 27.5 years the date falls to 2000/May.> > > This falls in Mercurys antra in the first part.> > >> > > Mercury being LOD and in House B vargottama... how come it> did> > not> > > give results.> > >> > > After that its Ketus antra.. but why did u not consider> Mercurys> > > antra ? or what is also the reason why Marriage did not take> > place> > > in Mercury's antra ?> > >> > > I had these doubts and so I also posted them.. I shall study> > further> > > w.r.t. your questions regarding why Ketu's antra did not give> > > marriage ?> > >> > > Thanking you,> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash> > >> > > , "krushanain"> > > <krushanain> wrote:> > > > Dear members,> > > > Some 5 /6 days back one person met me. He was> looking> > in> > > > relaxed mood. He told me his daughter got married on 23rd> May> > > 2003. I> > > > remembered he had been to me some two years back, and> shown the> > > chart> > > > of his daughter. I asked him, if I had given him any date.> He> > said> > > > no. You have not given me any date. You have told that you> are> > > > confused, and told there must be some mistake in birth> time.> > > > Following is the chart:> > > > D.O.B. 4th October 1972 B.T. 05:50 Pm (GMT + 5.5) Place:> > Satara,> > > > India (17 N 42, 74 E 02)> > > >> > > > This is a chart of Delayed marriage. Marriage must> be> > in> > > Ketu> > > > Anter. When he came to me, Ketu anter must have passed. I> might> > > be> > > > having the question, why she not married in Ketu anter?> > > > The lagna is on the boundry. With 2/3 min> difference it> > > > changes. She got married in Sun's Antra. Sun is sixth> lord. So> > no> > > > qualities of Sixth lord. But it is 12th lord from B. It is> > > samdharmi> > > > to Mars. Mars is having good strength, but having sight on> 2nd> > > house.> > > > So it cant give the result it self. Sun is natural> samdharmi to> > > Mars,> > > > and also situated with Mars in 7th house.> > > > Sun is also with less points, and situated in the> 10th> > > place> > > > from Jupiter. So this will also get strength from Jupiter.> Now> > > > considering Sun as a powerful planet for marriage, every> thing> > is> > > in> > > > the frame. Venus is weak for marriage. So marriage not> > happened> > > in> > > > Venus Sub.> > > > Still Problem for Ketu sub remained. It was> continued> > when> > > > the age of the girl was 27.5 year. wHY MARRIAGE NOT> HAPPENED IN> > > kETU> > > > sUB?> > > > krushna> > >> > >> > >