Delayed marriage chart - Clarification on lagna - Question II

[Guest guest]

Dear Krushnaji and Margarita,

 

I am splitting my questions in 2 emails. Here is the 2nd one.

 

Again focusing on what you wrote

" Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage, but

it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars, and

also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

happened in the last 1/3 of Sun. "

 

Why have you considered last 1/3rd part ? What logic did you follow

here to arrive at last 1/3rd part. In what sequence did you

approach this

 

Was it

 

1) Shani causing full delay so that is why last 1/3rd part ?

 

OR

 

1) Shani is aspecting Sun in Navamsa that is why last 1/3rd part ?

 

OR

 

1) Antra swami Sun is in nakshatra of Moon and in Navamsa of Mercury

and with Jupiter so how come it hasnt reduced the delay to 2nd 1/3rd

part or even the 1st 1/3rd part ?

 

What sequence are you following here ?

 

Please comment on the same when you get some free time on what

sequence are you following in your mind to arrive to the correct

sector.

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> Dear Krushnaji and Margarita,

>

> I wanted to ask about this part your wrote

>

> " Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage, but

> it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars,

and

> also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

> happened in the last 1/3 of Sun. "

>

> Here in this chart Sun has only 10 points. Yes its natural

> samdharmi to Mars but Should'nt it have atleast 12 points ? This

is

> if you consider Sun natural samdharmi to Mars.

>

> Even if you consider Sun as functional samdharmi as here in this

> case Mars is situated with Sun so by virtue of that they become

> Functional samdharmi. So also for coming forward should'nt Sun

have

> atleast 12 points ?

>

> Here why have you considered Sun with 10 points to give the result.

>

> What am I missing or overlooking here ?

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " krushanain "

> <krushanain> wrote:

> > Dear Margarita, Ash, and other Members,

> > The chart given is for delayed marriage. Saturn is the

> main

> > cause for delay. ( Mars, Mercury, lords of A and B are under

> > influence of Satrun)

> > In Ketu Antar native had completed the delay period.

Ketu

> > represents Me and Ju. Which are having Good points. At the same

> time

> > they are lords of Lagna and 7th house. Ketu represents both

> houses.

> > When two planets are lords of opposite places they are not

friens

> and

> > even not samdharmi. (If Venus is in 7th from Saturn it is not

> > considered as samdharmi.)

> > In this perticular case Ketu is situated in house D. So

as

> > per general rule it should give the result. ( if rahu or Ketu

are

> > situated in D or E, they give the result on preority) In the

last

> 10

> > degrees of Gemini Ketu represents Me and Ju. For Pisces asc.

> > perticularly This Ketu can not give the result.

> > Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage,

> but

> > it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars,

> and

> > also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

> > happened in the last 1/3 of Sun.

> > When her father had been to me he told me the time near

> about

> > 7 o clock. It gives Arises asc. All the planets are having good

> > strength for 7th house except Venus. (Venus is 2nd lord and

> becames

> > weak, But it is also NK) In that case marriage must have been

> > performed in Ketu sub. So I got confused, and told him, There

must

> be

> > difference in time.

> > When actual result happened, I asked him chart. He given

> me

> > and the time given in chart is 6:50 PM. With this time every

thing

> > changed.

> > This is a very special case of Ketu, in Gemini and for

> Pisces

> > Ascendant, where Ketu can not give the result.

> > Members should not get confused I.E. Rahu Ketu in Cancer

> in

> > 3:20 to 16:40, Or in Capricorn 10:00 to 23:20. In these

situation

> > they can not represent B and 7th lord from house B.

> >

> > A good churning of opinions, but no body touched 1:7

lord

> > ship. Any how now this will not be forgotten in future.

> > thanks

> > krushna

> >

> >

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > > Dear Margarita,

> > > Thanks for your feedback. Yes I agree with you. There must

be

> > > something that we are overlooking.

> > > I am eagerly waiting for Krushnajis answer and explanation of

a

> few

> > > basic concepts clarifications brought to surface with this

> exercise.

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " dirk &

> margarita

> > > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > > Hello Ash,

> > > > I write some comments in your text

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > > Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:06 PM

> > > >

> > > > Re: Delayed marriage

> chart -

> > > > Clarification on lagna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Margarita,

> > > >

> > > > Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions

> rather

> > > little

> > > > confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji to

> > clarify

> > > the

> > > > same.

> > > >

> > > > I shall try with Aries lagna first.

> > > >

> > > > Aries lagna

> > > > -----------

> > > > YES THIS IS TEMPTING BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF ALL

> PLANETS

> > > WITH 6TH

> > > > LORD BUT ANTAR OF SUN DOESN'T FIT

> > > >

> > > > 1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all

> planets

> > > become

> > > > samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon,

Saturn,

> > > Jupiter

> > > > are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who are

> in

> > 6th

> > > > house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its

points.

> > **Now

> > > > here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but should

it

> give

> > > > to " ALL " planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get its

> points

> > > > making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will

become

> > > samdharmi

> > > > to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam and

so

> its

> > > > quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped

up.

> So

> > its

> > > > effects will be felt quite strongly.

> > > > I THINK ONLY ONE PLANET CAN GET GURU'S POINTS. I CHOSE

MARS

> > > BECAUSE HE

> > > > SEEMS THE MOST MALEFIC BUT KRUSHNA STATES THAT THE POINTS

WENT

> TO

> > > THE SUN.

> > > > ANYWAY, IF MARS GETS DE POINTS SUN HAS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE

> EVENT

> > > HAPPEN IN

> > > > HIS SUB AND AS SHE MARRIED IN SUN SUB THERE MUST BE AN

OBSCURE

> > > REASON WHY

> > > > SUN GOT THESE POINTS.

> > > >

> > > > 3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has

highest

> > points

> > > > for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru going

> to

> > > Mars)

> > > > if that happens then *though* venus has less points only 4

in

> > > > worksheet for 7th house it should still give results being

> > natural

> > > > samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus antra

> but it

> > > > happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....

> > > >

> > > > 3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we know

> > planets

> > > in

> > > > 6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more power

> to

> > > break

> > > > marriage rather than cause it.... ???

> > > >

> > > > 4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as

well

> as

> > > Aries

> > > > so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should

have

> > > caused an

> > > > early marraige .... ???

> > > >

> > > > 5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on delay

> > > marriage,

> > > > Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A and

> its

> > LOC

> > > > but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so it

> > should

> > > have

> > > > given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ??? So

> this

> > > part

> > > > is not matching... but with the same token mostly all

> planets

> > are

> > > > samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ...

here

> I

> > > still

> > > > do not know how to time the same when so many planets are

> > > samdharmi

> > > > to 6th lord...

> > > >

> > > > 6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent due

to

> > fact

> > > that

> > > > its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled by

> > Mercury

> > > as

> > > > its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt i.e.

> NK

> > and

> > > FK

> > > > both in this case being Venus

> > > >

> > > > Pisces Lagna

> > > > ------------

> > > >

> > > > 1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru is

> > > samdharmi

> > > > so its having check so this result of 12th from B in House

B

> is

> > > under

> > > > check.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Here Mars period came early and being natural baramoter

> for

> > > female

> > > > sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???

> > > > IF SUN GETS THE POINTS MARS IS NOT SO STRONG

> > > >

> > > > 3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT it

has

> low

> > > > points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it cant

> give

> > > result

> > > > as it can only give results if it were to have points >

12.

> And

> > > > Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its

better

> to

> > not

> > > > have marriage in this antra.

> > > >

> > > > 4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17 points

in

> the

> > > > worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it

> becomes

> > > even

> > > > more eager to give results.

> > > >

> > > > 5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and

Jupiter

> in

> > > > Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the nodes

> that

> > > way

> > > > as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are ONLY

> > > samdharmi to

> > > > Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI

chart

> > > ONLY ???

> > > > I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not considered

the

> > > > samdharmi of nodes this way...???

> > > > I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT? KETU IS ONLY SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY

> AND

> > > JUPITER BUT

> > > > THIS GIVES NO EXPLANATION WHY KETU DID'T GIVE THE RESULT SO

I

> > HOPED

> > > FOR THE

> > > > SUN ?????? !!!!!!! BUT THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING OF MAY PART

> > > > 6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa, Drekkhana

> and

> > > > Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik

> sthan ???

> > > >

> > > > 7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from

Guru...

> as

> > I

> > > > thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a

planet

> and

> > > > planets in 10th were with less points then only 1 planet

> could

> > get

> > > > points from planet in 4th and in this case that would be

> Mars

> > so

> > > why

> > > > do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all planets

> get

> > > points

> > > > from planet in 10th ? Do all planets become " samdharmi "

and

> > only

> > > 1

> > > > planet get " points " from planet in 10th place and here in

> this

> > > case

> > > > its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I need

> > > > clarificaion ..... ???

> > > > I WAS READING THIS SECTION AGAIN IN THE LESSONS / ONLY

ONE

> > > PLANET GETS

> > > > THE POINTS AND IT4S THE MOST MALEFIC. I THINK MARS IS MORE

> > MALEFIC

> > > TO

> > > > MERCURY THAN THE SUN, WE HAVER TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS MATTER

> > > > I am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being

able

> to

> > > give

> > > > results...

> > > >

> > > > I am looking forward to the answer and some clarifications

> > > pleaes ?

> > > > WELL ASH, I3M IN THE SAME FIX AS YOU ARE. PROBABLY WE ARE

> > > OVERLOOKING THE

> > > > MOST OBVIOUS FACTOR OR THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE

> CHART

> > OR

> > > THE TOB,

> > > > REMEMBER I ADAPTED IT BECAUSE THE ONE KRUSHNA GAVE FELL IN

10°

> > > PISCES ANED

> > > > DID NOT MATCH HIS SAYING : " WITH CORRECTION OF 2/3 MINUTES

ASC

> > > CHANGES. "

> > > > I ASKED KRUSHNA TO HELP US OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. I HOPE

HE

> > FINDS

> > > TIME

> > > > BEST REGARDS

> > > > MARGARITA

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Ash,

Saturn is causing full delay so it should be in the last 1/3

part of the A.dasha. Other explained in last mail.

krushna

 

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> Dear Krushnaji and Margarita,

>

> I am splitting my questions in 2 emails. Here is the 2nd one.

>

> Again focusing on what you wrote

> " Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage, but

> it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars, and

> also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

> happened in the last 1/3 of Sun. "

>

> Why have you considered last 1/3rd part ? What logic did you

follow

> here to arrive at last 1/3rd part. In what sequence did you

> approach this

>

> Was it

>

> 1) Shani causing full delay so that is why last 1/3rd part ?

>

> OR

>

> 1) Shani is aspecting Sun in Navamsa that is why last 1/3rd part ?

>

> OR

>

> 1) Antra swami Sun is in nakshatra of Moon and in Navamsa of

Mercury

> and with Jupiter so how come it hasnt reduced the delay to 2nd

1/3rd

> part or even the 1st 1/3rd part ?

>

> What sequence are you following here ?

>

> Please comment on the same when you get some free time on what

> sequence are you following in your mind to arrive to the correct

> sector.

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Krushnaji and Margarita,

> >

> > I wanted to ask about this part your wrote

> >

> > " Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage, but

> > it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars,

> and

> > also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

> > happened in the last 1/3 of Sun. "

> >

> > Here in this chart Sun has only 10 points. Yes its natural

> > samdharmi to Mars but Should'nt it have atleast 12 points ? This

> is

> > if you consider Sun natural samdharmi to Mars.

> >

> > Even if you consider Sun as functional samdharmi as here in this

> > case Mars is situated with Sun so by virtue of that they become

> > Functional samdharmi. So also for coming forward should'nt Sun

> have

> > atleast 12 points ?

> >

> > Here why have you considered Sun with 10 points to give the

result.

> >

> > What am I missing or overlooking here ?

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " krushanain "

> > <krushanain> wrote:

> > > Dear Margarita, Ash, and other Members,

> > > The chart given is for delayed marriage. Saturn is the

> > main

> > > cause for delay. ( Mars, Mercury, lords of A and B are under

> > > influence of Satrun)

> > > In Ketu Antar native had completed the delay period.

> Ketu

> > > represents Me and Ju. Which are having Good points. At the same

> > time

> > > they are lords of Lagna and 7th house. Ketu represents both

> > houses.

> > > When two planets are lords of opposite places they are not

> friens

> > and

> > > even not samdharmi. (If Venus is in 7th from Saturn it is not

> > > considered as samdharmi.)

> > > In this perticular case Ketu is situated in house D. So

> as

> > > per general rule it should give the result. ( if rahu or Ketu

> are

> > > situated in D or E, they give the result on preority) In the

> last

> > 10

> > > degrees of Gemini Ketu represents Me and Ju. For Pisces asc.

> > > perticularly This Ketu can not give the result.

> > > Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage,

> > but

> > > it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars,

> > and

> > > also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

> > > happened in the last 1/3 of Sun.

> > > When her father had been to me he told me the time near

> > about

> > > 7 o clock. It gives Arises asc. All the planets are having good

> > > strength for 7th house except Venus. (Venus is 2nd lord and

> > becames

> > > weak, But it is also NK) In that case marriage must have been

> > > performed in Ketu sub. So I got confused, and told him, There

> must

> > be

> > > difference in time.

> > > When actual result happened, I asked him chart. He

given

> > me

> > > and the time given in chart is 6:50 PM. With this time every

> thing

> > > changed.

> > > This is a very special case of Ketu, in Gemini and for

> > Pisces

> > > Ascendant, where Ketu can not give the result.

> > > Members should not get confused I.E. Rahu Ketu in

Cancer

> > in

> > > 3:20 to 16:40, Or in Capricorn 10:00 to 23:20. In these

> situation

> > > they can not represent B and 7th lord from house B.

> > >

> > > A good churning of opinions, but no body touched 1:7

> lord

> > > ship. Any how now this will not be forgotten in future.

> > > thanks

> > > krushna

> > >

> > >

> > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Margarita,

> > > > Thanks for your feedback. Yes I agree with you. There must

> be

> > > > something that we are overlooking.

> > > > I am eagerly waiting for Krushnajis answer and explanation of

> a

> > few

> > > > basic concepts clarifications brought to surface with this

> > exercise.

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > , " dirk &

> > margarita

> > > > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > > > Hello Ash,

> > > > > I write some comments in your text

> > > > >

> > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > > > Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:06 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: Delayed marriage

> > chart -

> > > > > Clarification on lagna

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Margarita,

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions

> > rather

> > > > little

> > > > > confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji to

> > > clarify

> > > > the

> > > > > same.

> > > > >

> > > > > I shall try with Aries lagna first.

> > > > >

> > > > > Aries lagna

> > > > > -----------

> > > > > YES THIS IS TEMPTING BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF ALL

> > PLANETS

> > > > WITH 6TH

> > > > > LORD BUT ANTAR OF SUN DOESN'T FIT

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all

> > planets

> > > > become

> > > > > samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon,

> Saturn,

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who

are

> > in

> > > 6th

> > > > > house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its

> points.

> > > **Now

> > > > > here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but should

> it

> > give

> > > > > to " ALL " planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get its

> > points

> > > > > making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will

> become

> > > > samdharmi

> > > > > to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam and

> so

> > its

> > > > > quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped

> up.

> > So

> > > its

> > > > > effects will be felt quite strongly.

> > > > > I THINK ONLY ONE PLANET CAN GET GURU'S POINTS. I CHOSE

> MARS

> > > > BECAUSE HE

> > > > > SEEMS THE MOST MALEFIC BUT KRUSHNA STATES THAT THE POINTS

> WENT

> > TO

> > > > THE SUN.

> > > > > ANYWAY, IF MARS GETS DE POINTS SUN HAS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE

> > EVENT

> > > > HAPPEN IN

> > > > > HIS SUB AND AS SHE MARRIED IN SUN SUB THERE MUST BE AN

> OBSCURE

> > > > REASON WHY

> > > > > SUN GOT THESE POINTS.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has

> highest

> > > points

> > > > > for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru

going

> > to

> > > > Mars)

> > > > > if that happens then *though* venus has less points only

4

> in

> > > > > worksheet for 7th house it should still give results

being

> > > natural

> > > > > samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus antra

> > but it

> > > > > happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we know

> > > planets

> > > > in

> > > > > 6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more

power

> > to

> > > > break

> > > > > marriage rather than cause it.... ???

> > > > >

> > > > > 4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as

> well

> > as

> > > > Aries

> > > > > so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should

> have

> > > > caused an

> > > > > early marraige .... ???

> > > > >

> > > > > 5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on

delay

> > > > marriage,

> > > > > Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A

and

> > its

> > > LOC

> > > > > but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so it

> > > should

> > > > have

> > > > > given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ???

So

> > this

> > > > part

> > > > > is not matching... but with the same token mostly all

> > planets

> > > are

> > > > > samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ...

> here

> > I

> > > > still

> > > > > do not know how to time the same when so many planets are

> > > > samdharmi

> > > > > to 6th lord...

> > > > >

> > > > > 6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent due

> to

> > > fact

> > > > that

> > > > > its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled by

> > > Mercury

> > > > as

> > > > > its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt

i.e.

> > NK

> > > and

> > > > FK

> > > > > both in this case being Venus

> > > > >

> > > > > Pisces Lagna

> > > > > ------------

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru is

> > > > samdharmi

> > > > > so its having check so this result of 12th from B in

House

> B

> > is

> > > > under

> > > > > check.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) Here Mars period came early and being natural

baramoter

> > for

> > > > female

> > > > > sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???

> > > > > IF SUN GETS THE POINTS MARS IS NOT SO STRONG

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT it

> has

> > low

> > > > > points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it cant

> > give

> > > > result

> > > > > as it can only give results if it were to have points >

> 12.

> > And

> > > > > Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its

> better

> > to

> > > not

> > > > > have marriage in this antra.

> > > > >

> > > > > 4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17 points

> in

> > the

> > > > > worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it

> > becomes

> > > > even

> > > > > more eager to give results.

> > > > >

> > > > > 5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and

> Jupiter

> > in

> > > > > Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the

nodes

> > that

> > > > way

> > > > > as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are ONLY

> > > > samdharmi to

> > > > > Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI

> chart

> > > > ONLY ???

> > > > > I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not considered

> the

> > > > > samdharmi of nodes this way...???

> > > > > I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT? KETU IS ONLY SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY

> > AND

> > > > JUPITER BUT

> > > > > THIS GIVES NO EXPLANATION WHY KETU DID'T GIVE THE RESULT SO

> I

> > > HOPED

> > > > FOR THE

> > > > > SUN ?????? !!!!!!! BUT THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING OF MAY PART

> > > > > 6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa,

Drekkhana

> > and

> > > > > Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik

> > sthan ???

> > > > >

> > > > > 7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from

> Guru...

> > as

> > > I

> > > > > thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a

> planet

> > and

> > > > > planets in 10th were with less points then only 1 planet

> > could

> > > get

> > > > > points from planet in 4th and in this case that would be

> > Mars

> > > so

> > > > why

> > > > > do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all

planets

> > get

> > > > points

> > > > > from planet in 10th ? Do all planets become " samdharmi "

> and

> > > only

> > > > 1

> > > > > planet get " points " from planet in 10th place and here in

> > this

> > > > case

> > > > > its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I

need

> > > > > clarificaion ..... ???

> > > > > I WAS READING THIS SECTION AGAIN IN THE LESSONS / ONLY

> ONE

> > > > PLANET GETS

> > > > > THE POINTS AND IT4S THE MOST MALEFIC. I THINK MARS IS MORE

> > > MALEFIC

> > > > TO

> > > > > MERCURY THAN THE SUN, WE HAVER TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS MATTER

> > > > > I am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being

> able

> > to

> > > > give

> > > > > results...

> > > > >

> > > > > I am looking forward to the answer and some

clarifications

> > > > pleaes ?

> > > > > WELL ASH, I3M IN THE SAME FIX AS YOU ARE. PROBABLY WE

ARE

> > > > OVERLOOKING THE

> > > > > MOST OBVIOUS FACTOR OR THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE

> > CHART

> > > OR

> > > > THE TOB,

> > > > > REMEMBER I ADAPTED IT BECAUSE THE ONE KRUSHNA GAVE FELL IN

> 10°

> > > > PISCES ANED

> > > > > DID NOT MATCH HIS SAYING : " WITH CORRECTION OF 2/3 MINUTES

> ASC

> > > > CHANGES. "

> > > > > I ASKED KRUSHNA TO HELP US OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. I HOPE

> HE

> > > FINDS

> > > > TIME

> > > > > BEST REGARDS

> > > > > MARGARITA

> > > > > Thanking you,

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Krushnaji,

Got it, phew !!!

So step one is to see Shanis aspect. I will revert with my doubts in

small emails with different scenarios.

 

This is as per lesson given but I am getting confused in different

scnarios and what all to consider when. These I will ask in small

seperate emails.

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, " krushanain "

<krushanain> wrote:

> Dear Ash,

> Saturn is causing full delay so it should be in the last

1/3

> part of the A.dasha. Other explained in last mail.

> krushna

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Krushnaji and Margarita,

> >

> > I am splitting my questions in 2 emails. Here is the 2nd one.

> >

> > Again focusing on what you wrote

> > " Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage, but

> > it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars,

and

> > also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

> > happened in the last 1/3 of Sun. "

> >

> > Why have you considered last 1/3rd part ? What logic did you

> follow

> > here to arrive at last 1/3rd part. In what sequence did you

> > approach this

> >

> > Was it

> >

> > 1) Shani causing full delay so that is why last 1/3rd part ?

> >

> > OR

> >

> > 1) Shani is aspecting Sun in Navamsa that is why last 1/3rd part ?

> >

> > OR

> >

> > 1) Antra swami Sun is in nakshatra of Moon and in Navamsa of

> Mercury

> > and with Jupiter so how come it hasnt reduced the delay to 2nd

> 1/3rd

> > part or even the 1st 1/3rd part ?

> >

> > What sequence are you following here ?

> >

> > Please comment on the same when you get some free time on what

> > sequence are you following in your mind to arrive to the correct

> > sector.

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> >

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > > Dear Krushnaji and Margarita,

> > >

> > > I wanted to ask about this part your wrote

> > >

> > > " Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving marriage, but

> > > it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to Mars,

> > and

> > > also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So marriage

> > > happened in the last 1/3 of Sun. "

> > >

> > > Here in this chart Sun has only 10 points. Yes its natural

> > > samdharmi to Mars but Should'nt it have atleast 12 points ?

This

> > is

> > > if you consider Sun natural samdharmi to Mars.

> > >

> > > Even if you consider Sun as functional samdharmi as here in

this

> > > case Mars is situated with Sun so by virtue of that they become

> > > Functional samdharmi. So also for coming forward should'nt Sun

> > have

> > > atleast 12 points ?

> > >

> > > Here why have you considered Sun with 10 points to give the

> result.

> > >

> > > What am I missing or overlooking here ?

> > >

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " krushanain "

> > > <krushanain> wrote:

> > > > Dear Margarita, Ash, and other Members,

> > > > The chart given is for delayed marriage. Saturn is

the

> > > main

> > > > cause for delay. ( Mars, Mercury, lords of A and B are under

> > > > influence of Satrun)

> > > > In Ketu Antar native had completed the delay period.

> > Ketu

> > > > represents Me and Ju. Which are having Good points. At the

same

> > > time

> > > > they are lords of Lagna and 7th house. Ketu represents both

> > > houses.

> > > > When two planets are lords of opposite places they are not

> > friens

> > > and

> > > > even not samdharmi. (If Venus is in 7th from Saturn it is not

> > > > considered as samdharmi.)

> > > > In this perticular case Ketu is situated in house D.

So

> > as

> > > > per general rule it should give the result. ( if rahu or Ketu

> > are

> > > > situated in D or E, they give the result on preority) In the

> > last

> > > 10

> > > > degrees of Gemini Ketu represents Me and Ju. For Pisces asc.

> > > > perticularly This Ketu can not give the result.

> > > > Now here Mars is the strong planet for giving

marriage,

> > > but

> > > > it is having it's sight on A. Sun is natural samdharmi to

Mars,

> > > and

> > > > also situated with Mars. So it will represent Mars. So

marriage

> > > > happened in the last 1/3 of Sun.

> > > > When her father had been to me he told me the time

near

> > > about

> > > > 7 o clock. It gives Arises asc. All the planets are having

good

> > > > strength for 7th house except Venus. (Venus is 2nd lord and

> > > becames

> > > > weak, But it is also NK) In that case marriage must have been

> > > > performed in Ketu sub. So I got confused, and told him, There

> > must

> > > be

> > > > difference in time.

> > > > When actual result happened, I asked him chart. He

> given

> > > me

> > > > and the time given in chart is 6:50 PM. With this time every

> > thing

> > > > changed.

> > > > This is a very special case of Ketu, in Gemini and

for

> > > Pisces

> > > > Ascendant, where Ketu can not give the result.

> > > > Members should not get confused I.E. Rahu Ketu in

> Cancer

> > > in

> > > > 3:20 to 16:40, Or in Capricorn 10:00 to 23:20. In these

> > situation

> > > > they can not represent B and 7th lord from house B.

> > > >

> > > > A good churning of opinions, but no body touched 1:7

> > lord

> > > > ship. Any how now this will not be forgotten in future.

> > > > thanks

> > > > krushna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Margarita,

> > > > > Thanks for your feedback. Yes I agree with you. There

must

> > be

> > > > > something that we are overlooking.

> > > > > I am eagerly waiting for Krushnajis answer and explanation

of

> > a

> > > few

> > > > > basic concepts clarifications brought to surface with this

> > > exercise.

> > > > > Thanking you,

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > , " dirk &

> > > margarita

> > > > > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > Hello Ash,

> > > > > > I write some comments in your text

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]

> > > > > > Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:06 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: Delayed

marriage

> > > chart -

> > > > > > Clarification on lagna

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Margarita,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here is my attempt. It surely has raised some questions

> > > rather

> > > > > little

> > > > > > confusions points.. but its good. I request Krushnaji

to

> > > > clarify

> > > > > the

> > > > > > same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I shall try with Aries lagna first.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Aries lagna

> > > > > > -----------

> > > > > > YES THIS IS TEMPTING BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF ALL

> > > PLANETS

> > > > > WITH 6TH

> > > > > > LORD BUT ANTAR OF SUN DOESN'T FIT

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) 6th lord becomes Mercury. If you notice mostly all

> > > planets

> > > > > become

> > > > > > samdharmi to Mercury. Sun, Mars, Ketu, Guru, Moon,

> > Saturn,

> > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > are all Samdharmi to Mercury i.e. 6th lord.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) Guru is in 4th place from Mercury, Mars and Sun who

> are

> > > in

> > > > 6th

> > > > > > house and Guru is with more bindus so it gives its

> > points.

> > > > **Now

> > > > > > here I get Guru will only give points to Mars but

should

> > it

> > > give

> > > > > > to " ALL " planets then Sun, Mercury and Mars will get

its

> > > points

> > > > > > making all of them very strong. Guru being LOE will

> > become

> > > > > samdharmi

> > > > > > to Mercury and will get spoilt. Mercury is Vargottam

and

> > so

> > > its

> > > > > > quality with multiplication factor will also be bumped

> > up.

> > > So

> > > > its

> > > > > > effects will be felt quite strongly.

> > > > > > I THINK ONLY ONE PLANET CAN GET GURU'S POINTS. I CHOSE

> > MARS

> > > > > BECAUSE HE

> > > > > > SEEMS THE MOST MALEFIC BUT KRUSHNA STATES THAT THE POINTS

> > WENT

> > > TO

> > > > > THE SUN.

> > > > > > ANYWAY, IF MARS GETS DE POINTS SUN HAS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE

> > > EVENT

> > > > > HAPPEN IN

> > > > > > HIS SUB AND AS SHE MARRIED IN SUN SUB THERE MUST BE AN

> > OBSCURE

> > > > > REASON WHY

> > > > > > SUN GOT THESE POINTS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3) Here Venus is Natural Samdharmi to Shani who has

> > highest

> > > > points

> > > > > > for 7th house (I have only considered points of guru

> going

> > > to

> > > > > Mars)

> > > > > > if that happens then *though* venus has less points

only

> 4

> > in

> > > > > > worksheet for 7th house it should still give results

> being

> > > > natural

> > > > > > samdharmi ??? But marriage did not happen in Venus

antra

> > > but it

> > > > > > happened in Sun .... so something is not proper here....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3) Sun has 14 points and its in 6th house... and we

know

> > > > planets

> > > > > in

> > > > > > 6th house i.e. 12th from B with high points has more

> power

> > > to

> > > > > break

> > > > > > marriage rather than cause it.... ???

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4) Mars is also strong with both ascendents.. Pisces as

> > well

> > > as

> > > > > Aries

> > > > > > so and Mars being sexual baraometer of a girl.. should

> > have

> > > > > caused an

> > > > > > early marraige .... ???

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5) Checking delay due to shani and as per lessons on

> delay

> > > > > marriage,

> > > > > > Shani is in 2nd so delay in marriage as its in House A

> and

> > > its

> > > > LOC

> > > > > > but its not cojoining or aspecting Venus who is LOB so

it

> > > > should

> > > > > have

> > > > > > given moderate delay instead of a full blown delay ???

> So

> > > this

> > > > > part

> > > > > > is not matching... but with the same token mostly all

> > > planets

> > > > are

> > > > > > samdharmi to a powerful 6th lord so can cause delay ...

> > here

> > > I

> > > > > still

> > > > > > do not know how to time the same when so many planets

are

> > > > > samdharmi

> > > > > > to 6th lord...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 6) Ketu could not give marraige with Aries ascendent

due

> > to

> > > > fact

> > > > > that

> > > > > > its representing Guru and Mercury and Guru is spoiled

by

> > > > Mercury

> > > > > as

> > > > > > its Samdharmi to it and LOE. The karak is not spoilt

> i.e.

> > > NK

> > > > and

> > > > > FK

> > > > > > both in this case being Venus

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pisces Lagna

> > > > > > ------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Here 12th lord from B is placed in 7th house. Guru

is

> > > > > samdharmi

> > > > > > so its having check so this result of 12th from B in

> House

> > B

> > > is

> > > > > under

> > > > > > check.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) Here Mars period came early and being natural

> baramoter

> > > for

> > > > > female

> > > > > > sexuality how come it did not give marraige early...???

> > > > > > IF SUN GETS THE POINTS MARS IS NOT SO STRONG

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3) Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani who is LOE BUT

it

> > has

> > > low

> > > > > > points i.e. < 12 so just being natural samdharmi it

cant

> > > give

> > > > > result

> > > > > > as it can only give results if it were to have points >

> > 12.

> > > And

> > > > > > Venus is placed in 6th house with high bindus so its

> > better

> > > to

> > > > not

> > > > > > have marriage in this antra.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4) Ketu represents Mercury and Guru. Both have 17

points

> > in

> > > the

> > > > > > worksheet. Mercury is LOD and placed in House B so it

> > > becomes

> > > > > even

> > > > > > more eager to give results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5) Margarita, you had written Ketu was with Sun and

> > Jupiter

> > > in

> > > > > > Navamsa so it becomes samdharmi, Can we consider the

> nodes

> > > that

> > > > > way

> > > > > > as we treat planets or is it that Ketu and Rahu are

ONLY

> > > > > samdharmi to

> > > > > > Sign lord and Nakshtatra lord they are placed in RASI

> > chart

> > > > > ONLY ???

> > > > > > I wanted to clarify this point.. as I had not

considered

> > the

> > > > > > samdharmi of nodes this way...???

> > > > > > I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT? KETU IS ONLY SAMDHARMI TO

MERCURY

> > > AND

> > > > > JUPITER BUT

> > > > > > THIS GIVES NO EXPLANATION WHY KETU DID'T GIVE THE RESULT

SO

> > I

> > > > HOPED

> > > > > FOR THE

> > > > > > SUN ?????? !!!!!!! BUT THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING OF MAY

PART

> > > > > > 6) Ketu representing Mercury, I checked Navamsa,

> Drekkhana

> > > and

> > > > > > Trimsamsa and in none of them they are in either Trik

> > > sthan ???

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 7) I also want to undestand why Sun gets points from

> > Guru...

> > > as

> > > > I

> > > > > > thought that if more than 1 planet was in 10th from a

> > planet

> > > and

> > > > > > planets in 10th were with less points then only 1

planet

> > > could

> > > > get

> > > > > > points from planet in 4th and in this case that would

be

> > > Mars

> > > > so

> > > > > why

> > > > > > do we consider Sun to also get points.... Can all

> planets

> > > get

> > > > > points

> > > > > > from planet in 10th ? Do all planets

become " samdharmi "

> > and

> > > > only

> > > > > 1

> > > > > > planet get " points " from planet in 10th place and here

in

> > > this

> > > > > case

> > > > > > its Guru ??? I think this is an important point and I

> need

> > > > > > clarificaion ..... ???

> > > > > > I WAS READING THIS SECTION AGAIN IN THE LESSONS / ONLY

> > ONE

> > > > > PLANET GETS

> > > > > > THE POINTS AND IT4S THE MOST MALEFIC. I THINK MARS IS

MORE

> > > > MALEFIC

> > > > > TO

> > > > > > MERCURY THAN THE SUN, WE HAVER TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS

MATTER

> > > > > > I am unable to get proper reasoning for Ketu not being

> > able

> > > to

> > > > > give

> > > > > > results...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am looking forward to the answer and some

> clarifications

> > > > > pleaes ?

> > > > > > WELL ASH, I3M IN THE SAME FIX AS YOU ARE. PROBABLY WE

> ARE

> > > > > OVERLOOKING THE

> > > > > > MOST OBVIOUS FACTOR OR THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE

> > > CHART

> > > > OR

> > > > > THE TOB,

> > > > > > REMEMBER I ADAPTED IT BECAUSE THE ONE KRUSHNA GAVE FELL

IN

> > 10°

> > > > > PISCES ANED

> > > > > > DID NOT MATCH HIS SAYING : " WITH CORRECTION OF 2/3

MINUTES

> > ASC

> > > > > CHANGES. "

> > > > > > I ASKED KRUSHNA TO HELP US OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. I

HOPE

> > HE

> > > > FINDS

> > > > > TIME

> > > > > > BEST REGARDS

> > > > > > MARGARITA

> > > > > > Thanking you,

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >