Guest guest Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 Welcome to the list Anurag. As you posted your chart, I just make some comments because it's always a good exercice and basis for discussion. As you gave some dates I take these to discuss. First I want to point out some important things in your chart Saturn becomes very strong because he collects the points from Sun,Jup and Venus. Sun and Venus are both with 2 points in the 10th place from Mars, 6th lord. Sun being more inimical will collect the points normally but Mars is 6th lord so points are working in reverse, even if Sun also stays very powerful. Mars has big influence in your chart. SPECIAL EVENTS Education, degree, job Rahu/Mars. Mars is 6th lord = many competitors. Mercury is lord A for the 1st and strong (5 points) in the 6th. This Mercury is getting stability from sight of Saturn. This tells the story bout your succes in these matters = facing many adversities you survive nevertheless in a very satisfactory manner. Marriage : during Jupiter/Venus Jupiter is lord A and Venus is lord B and E for marriage. It has 22 points for the 7th but is a bit weak for 5th and 12th. It is also in krittika Birth of daughter : Jupiter/Venus birth is definitely a Jupiter/Venus matter in your chart but I find Venus weak for conception and birth, so there is probably something I'm overlooking.Venus is of course samdharmi to Sun, Jupiter and Saturn who can also give results but I want some more insight from Ash or somebody else ????????????????? Transit of the Sun is in Jupiter/Venus anyway and this fits. Birth of son : Jupiter/Rahu Rahu being samdharmi to Sun,Venus and Jupiter is very eager to give results. Transit is in Saturn/Sun, two strong planets. Health problems of father. I cannot read these from your chart. If somebody has some clues on how to do that in a correct way ?? I suppose it must be possible. Best regards Margarita --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release 6/18/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 Dear Margarita, I shall go through this chart and give my comments tomorrow. Sorry about the delay. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dirk & margarita lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Welcome to the list Anurag. As you posted your chart, I just make some > comments because it's always a good exercice and basis for discussion. As > you gave some dates I take these to discuss. > First I want to point out some important things in your chart > Saturn becomes very strong because he collects the points from Sun,Jup and > Venus. > Sun and Venus are both with 2 points in the 10th place from Mars, 6th lord. > Sun being more inimical will collect the points normally but Mars is 6th > lord so points are working in reverse, even if Sun also stays very powerful. > Mars has big influence in your chart. > SPECIAL EVENTS > Education, degree, job > Rahu/Mars. Mars is 6th lord = many competitors. Mercury is lord A for the > 1st and strong (5 points) in the 6th. This Mercury is getting stability from > sight of Saturn. This tells the story bout your succes in these matters = > facing many adversities you survive nevertheless in a very satisfactory > manner. > > Marriage : during Jupiter/Venus > Jupiter is lord A and Venus is lord B and E for marriage. It has 22 points > for the 7th but is a bit weak for 5th and 12th. It is also in krittika > > Birth of daughter : Jupiter/Venus > birth is definitely a Jupiter/Venus matter in your chart but I find Venus > weak for conception and birth, so there is probably something I'm > overlooking.Venus is of course samdharmi to Sun, Jupiter and Saturn who can > also give results but I want some more insight from Ash or somebody else > ????????????????? Transit of the Sun is in Jupiter/Venus anyway and this > fits. > > Birth of son : Jupiter/Rahu > Rahu being samdharmi to Sun,Venus and Jupiter is very eager to give results. > Transit is in Saturn/Sun, two strong planets. > > Health problems of father. I cannot read these from your chart. If somebody > has some clues on how to do that in a correct way ?? I suppose it must be > possible. > > Best regards > Margarita > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release 6/18/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2003 Report Share Posted July 4, 2003 Dear Margarita, Anurag and list members, Here is my attempt. 1) July 1980 - First in Board grade 10. Period : Rahu/Mars Mars is in 10th house with 5 bindus. For education look at 5th house. So House E is 10th house and any planet in House E or D with > 4 bindus is eager to give results. Now w.r.t intellegence you are very intellegent. Look at lagna, sun and moon in Navamsa, Drekkhana and Trimsamsa and you will find that in 3 spots are falling in Shanis signs. This you will find in the lesson of finding occupation. So the above 2 factors combined i.e. a favourable antra running and your intellegence has probably made you come first in your matriculation. 2) 1986 finishing engineering and joining first job. I think in India the results come out sometime in the middle of the year.. Period : Jupiter/Mercury 10th lords from lagna, sun and moon are in navamsa of Shani, Mars and Mercury. Can show enginnering. If you cast your worksheet you will notice that you got your job in the highest significator i.e. Mercury for 6th house. Its also LOE for 6th house so every eager to give you a good break in job. So no wonder you got a job. Mercury also is with 5 bindus in Karak sthan for 11th house as B so overall its good period for you to get your break. 3) Marriage - 25/11/1989. Period : Jupiter/Venus. Venus is in Karak shtan for 12th house. Venus is LOE for 7th house. It is natural karak for marriage and its placed with functional karak Guru or also LOA. Venus is also LOE for 12th house. So this period is definitely very favourable for your marriage. I came to that conclusion by first considering delay of Shani. Shani is aspecting Mercury i.e LOC in Rasi and in Navamsa its with LOA so moderate delay. So when delay of Shani ends you are in Venus antra. You have no zero points in SAV. I am still working on the narrowing of antra part but Maybe Margarita can give more clearly as to why marriage happened in the 1st sector. 4) Birth of Daugher : 29/12/1990 Conception around : March 1990. Period : Guru/Venus. Venus has less points for 5th house so not very clear. Here is my other view point. Guru is NK for child birth and FK is Venus here in your case. Both are together in Karak shan for 12th house. Venus is LOE for 12th house again. So if in your wifes chart this is a favourable period I think you can get a child ??? Also here Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani. Shani is the strongest significator with 16 points. Its antra is over before you got married.. I wonder if it can give marriage also Venus is Samdharmi to Sun and Guru i.e LOD and LOE and it is Karak for child birth so it may try to give results here ??? 5) Birth of Son : 18/01/1995 Conception around : April 1994 Period : Jupiter/Mars. This is straight forward. Mars is in House E with 5 bindus and will try to give the result on priority. The law is that planets in House D or E are eager to give results and more over tennants in House D or E and in this case its Mars with high bindus i.e. more than 4 will give their results even before LOD or LOE as tennant is more powerful than the lord of the house. So here if you see in worksheet Mars has 10 points only BUT he is in House E with high points so he will act like the lord of the house he is in and be eager to give results and it did. About Father, Mother, and your sisters I do not know how to see that for now. We will in time receive a lesson on Medical astrology apart from others. Right now we are getting acquaited with the basic system and laws. So maybe in time I will be able to answer these questions of yours. Hope that helps, Anurag, cast your worksheet and see how these laws fit in so well with your chart. You will notice why you are intellegent, why you did enginnering, why you got a job on particular date, infact if you study your 10th house points you will notice that probably 1997/03 thru 2000/03 you might have faced good authority in job, 2000/03 thru 2002/12 also in mercury antra again it has good points for 10th house so may get rise or promotion etc... you can confirm the same. Thanking you for sharing your chart, Cheers !!! Ash , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear Margarita, > I shall go through this chart and give my comments tomorrow. > Sorry about the delay. > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " dirk & margarita > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > > Welcome to the list Anurag. As you posted your chart, I just make > some > > comments because it's always a good exercice and basis for > discussion. As > > you gave some dates I take these to discuss. > > First I want to point out some important things in your chart > > Saturn becomes very strong because he collects the points from > Sun,Jup and > > Venus. > > Sun and Venus are both with 2 points in the 10th place from Mars, > 6th lord. > > Sun being more inimical will collect the points normally but Mars > is 6th > > lord so points are working in reverse, even if Sun also stays very > powerful. > > Mars has big influence in your chart. > > SPECIAL EVENTS > > Education, degree, job > > Rahu/Mars. Mars is 6th lord = many competitors. Mercury is lord A > for the > > 1st and strong (5 points) in the 6th. This Mercury is getting > stability from > > sight of Saturn. This tells the story bout your succes in these > matters = > > facing many adversities you survive nevertheless in a very > satisfactory > > manner. > > > > Marriage : during Jupiter/Venus > > Jupiter is lord A and Venus is lord B and E for marriage. It has 22 > points > > for the 7th but is a bit weak for 5th and 12th. It is also in > krittika > > > > Birth of daughter : Jupiter/Venus > > birth is definitely a Jupiter/Venus matter in your chart but I find > Venus > > weak for conception and birth, so there is probably something I'm > > overlooking.Venus is of course samdharmi to Sun, Jupiter and Saturn > who can > > also give results but I want some more insight from Ash or somebody > else > > ????????????????? Transit of the Sun is in Jupiter/Venus anyway and > this > > fits. > > > > Birth of son : Jupiter/Rahu > > Rahu being samdharmi to Sun,Venus and Jupiter is very eager to give > results. > > Transit is in Saturn/Sun, two strong planets. > > > > Health problems of father. I cannot read these from your chart. If > somebody > > has some clues on how to do that in a correct way ?? I suppose it > must be > > possible. > > > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release 6/18/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2003 Report Share Posted July 4, 2003 Hello Ash, Anurag, Thanks for this nice analysis Ash. I just thought about the rather low points of Venus for childbirth but then I remembered Krushna stating in one of the last mails about marriage that : IF A PLANET IS ACTING HAS SAMDHARMI IT CAN GIVE RESULTS EVEEN IF IT HAS LESS POINTS; (mail on delayed marriade dated july 3) So this is why Venus gave results for a very strong SaturnI think. Very nice chart to see how things fit !! Thanks for posting it. Best regards Margarita ashsam73 [ashsam73]Friday, July 04, 2003 11:03 AM Subject: Re: your chartDear Margarita, Anurag and list members,Here is my attempt.1) July 1980 - First in Board grade 10.Period : Rahu/MarsMars is in 10th house with 5 bindus. For education look at 5th house. So House E is 10th house and any planet in House E or D with > 4 bindus is eager to give results.Now w.r.t intellegence you are very intellegent. Look at lagna, sun and moon in Navamsa, Drekkhana and Trimsamsa and you will find that in 3 spots are falling in Shanis signs. This you will find in the lesson of finding occupation. So the above 2 factors combined i.e. a favourable antra running and your intellegence has probably made you come first in your matriculation. 2) 1986 finishing engineering and joining first job. I think in India the results come out sometime in the middle of the year..Period : Jupiter/Mercury10th lords from lagna, sun and moon are in navamsa of Shani, Mars and Mercury. Can show enginnering. If you cast your worksheet you will notice that you got your job in the highest significator i.e. Mercury for 6th house. Its also LOE for 6th house so every eager to give you a good break in job. So no wonder you got a job. Mercury also is with 5 bindus in Karak sthan for 11th house as B so overall its good period for you to get your break.3) Marriage - 25/11/1989. Period : Jupiter/Venus.Venus is in Karak shtan for 12th house. Venus is LOE for 7th house. It is natural karak for marriage and its placed with functional karak Guru or also LOA. Venus is also LOE for 12th house. So this period is definitely very favourable for your marriage. I came to that conclusion by first considering delay of Shani. Shani is aspecting Mercury i.e LOC in Rasi and in Navamsa its with LOA so moderate delay. So when delay of Shani ends you are in Venus antra. You have no zero points in SAV.I am still working on the narrowing of antra part but Maybe Margarita can give more clearly as to why marriage happened in the 1st sector. 4) Birth of Daugher : 29/12/1990Conception around : March 1990.Period : Guru/Venus. Venus has less points for 5th house so not very clear. Here is my other view point. Guru is NK for child birth and FK is Venus here in your case. Both are together in Karak shan for 12th house. Venus is LOE for 12th house again. So if in your wifes chart this is a favourable period I think you can get a child ???Also here Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani. Shani is the strongest significator with 16 points. Its antra is over before you got married.. I wonder if it can give marriage also Venus is Samdharmi to Sun and Guru i.e LOD and LOE and it is Karak for child birth so it may try to give results here ???5) Birth of Son : 18/01/1995Conception around : April 1994Period : Jupiter/Mars.This is straight forward. Mars is in House E with 5 bindus and will try to give the result on priority. The law is that planets in House D or E are eager to give results and more over tennants in House D or E and in this case its Mars with high bindus i.e. more than 4 will give their results even before LOD or LOE as tennant is more powerful than the lord of the house.So here if you see in worksheet Mars has 10 points only BUT he is in House E with high points so he will act like the lord of the house he is in and be eager to give results and it did.About Father, Mother, and your sisters I do not know how to see that for now. We will in time receive a lesson on Medical astrology apart from others. Right now we are getting acquaited with the basic system and laws. So maybe in time I will be able to answer these questions of yours.Hope that helps,Anurag, cast your worksheet and see how these laws fit in so well with your chart. You will notice why you are intellegent, why you did enginnering, why you got a job on particular date, infact if you study your 10th house points you will notice that probably 1997/03 thru 2000/03 you might have faced good authority in job, 2000/03 thru 2002/12 also in mercury antra again it has good points for 10th house so may get rise or promotion etc... you can confirm the same.Thanking you for sharing your chart,Cheers !!!Ash , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...> wrote:> Dear Margarita,> I shall go through this chart and give my comments tomorrow. > Sorry about the delay.> Thanking you,> Cheers !!!> Ash> > , "dirk & margarita > lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> > Welcome to the list Anurag. As you posted your chart, I just make > some> > comments because it's always a good exercice and basis for > discussion. As> > you gave some dates I take these to discuss.> > First I want to point out some important things in your chart> > Saturn becomes very strong because he collects the points from > Sun,Jup and> > Venus.> > Sun and Venus are both with 2 points in the 10th place from Mars, > 6th lord.> > Sun being more inimical will collect the points normally but Mars > is 6th> > lord so points are working in reverse, even if Sun also stays very > powerful.> > Mars has big influence in your chart.> > SPECIAL EVENTS> > Education, degree, job> > Rahu/Mars. Mars is 6th lord = many competitors. Mercury is lord A > for the> > 1st and strong (5 points) in the 6th. This Mercury is getting > stability from> > sight of Saturn. This tells the story bout your succes in these > matters => > facing many adversities you survive nevertheless in a very > satisfactory> > manner.> > > > Marriage : during Jupiter/Venus> > Jupiter is lord A and Venus is lord B and E for marriage. It has 22 > points> > for the 7th but is a bit weak for 5th and 12th. It is also in > krittika> > > > Birth of daughter : Jupiter/Venus> > birth is definitely a Jupiter/Venus matter in your chart but I find > Venus> > weak for conception and birth, so there is probably something I'm> > overlooking.Venus is of course samdharmi to Sun, Jupiter and Saturn > who can> > also give results but I want some more insight from Ash or somebody > else> > ????????????????? Transit of the Sun is in Jupiter/Venus anyway and > this> > fits.> > > > Birth of son : Jupiter/Rahu> > Rahu being samdharmi to Sun,Venus and Jupiter is very eager to give > results.> > Transit is in Saturn/Sun, two strong planets.> > > > Health problems of father. I cannot read these from your chart. If > somebody> > has some clues on how to do that in a correct way ?? I suppose it > must be> > possible.> > > > Best regards> > Margarita> > > > > > > > > > ---> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> > Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release 6/18/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2003 Report Share Posted July 4, 2003 Dear Margarita, Good point. I myself did not think of that... Yes you are right, Krushnaji has given that in the lesson for delayed marriage. Thanks for pointing that out.... Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dirk & margarita lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Ash, Anurag, > Thanks for this nice analysis Ash. I just thought about the rather low > points of Venus for childbirth but then I remembered Krushna stating in one > of the last mails about marriage that : IF A PLANET IS ACTING HAS SAMDHARMI > IT CAN GIVE RESULTS EVEEN IF IT HAS LESS POINTS; (mail on delayed marriade > dated july 3) So this is why Venus gave results for a very strong SaturnI > think. Very nice chart to see how things fit !! Thanks for posting it. > Best regards > Margarita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Dear Ash and Margarita, I carefully studied analysis of my chart offered by both of you. However, I found that certain few points brought forward in your analysis (regarding bindus for a planet in a house, position of planets in Navamansh etc.) do not match with my observations on my chart. I am afraid that I might not have worked out chart(s) and ashtakavarga bindus correctly using the Excel tools provided under the Files section. Thus,may I request you to kindly mail me the Excel sheets & charts prepared for the analysis by you. This will help me identify my mistakes. As regards 10th house , I may further add tha tI got good breaks in professional life (a) on 13.5.1995 and (b) 1.7.2000. Perhaps these two events can as well be explained. With best regards, , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear Margarita, Anurag and list members, > Here is my attempt. > > 1) July 1980 - First in Board grade 10. > > Period : Rahu/Mars > > Mars is in 10th house with 5 bindus. For education look at 5th > house. So House E is 10th house and any planet in House E or D with > > 4 bindus is eager to give results. > > Now w.r.t intellegence you are very intellegent. Look at lagna, sun > and moon in Navamsa, Drekkhana and Trimsamsa and you will find that > in 3 spots are falling in Shanis signs. This you will find in the > lesson of finding occupation. So the above 2 factors combined i.e. > a favourable antra running and your intellegence has probably made > you come first in your matriculation. > > > 2) 1986 finishing engineering and joining first job. I think in > India the results come out sometime in the middle of the year.. > > Period : Jupiter/Mercury > > 10th lords from lagna, sun and moon are in navamsa of Shani, Mars > and Mercury. Can show enginnering. > > If you cast your worksheet you will notice that you got your job in > the highest significator i.e. Mercury for 6th house. Its also LOE > for 6th house so every eager to give you a good break in job. So no > wonder you got a job. Mercury also is with 5 bindus in Karak sthan > for 11th house as B so overall its good period for you to get your > break. > > 3) Marriage - 25/11/1989. > Period : Jupiter/Venus. > > Venus is in Karak shtan for 12th house. Venus is LOE for 7th > house. It is natural karak for marriage and its placed with > functional karak Guru or also LOA. Venus is also LOE for 12th > house. So this period is definitely very favourable for your > marriage. I came to that conclusion by first considering delay of > Shani. Shani is aspecting Mercury i.e LOC in Rasi and in Navamsa > its with LOA so moderate delay. So when delay of Shani ends you are > in Venus antra. You have no zero points in SAV. > > I am still working on the narrowing of antra part but Maybe > Margarita can give more clearly as to why marriage happened in the > 1st sector. > > 4) Birth of Daugher : 29/12/1990 > Conception around : March 1990. > Period : Guru/Venus. > > Venus has less points for 5th house so not very clear. Here is my > other view point. Guru is NK for child birth and FK is Venus here > in your case. Both are together in Karak shan for 12th house. > Venus is LOE for 12th house again. So if in your wifes chart this > is a favourable period I think you can get a child ??? > > Also here Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani. Shani is the > strongest significator with 16 points. Its antra is over before you > got married.. I wonder if it can give marriage also Venus is > Samdharmi to Sun and Guru i.e LOD and LOE and it is Karak for child > birth so it may try to give results here ??? > > 5) Birth of Son : 18/01/1995 > Conception around : April 1994 > Period : Jupiter/Mars. > > This is straight forward. Mars is in House E with 5 bindus and will > try to give the result on priority. The law is that planets in > House D or E are eager to give results and more over tennants in > House D or E and in this case its Mars with high bindus i.e. more > than 4 will give their results even before LOD or LOE as tennant is > more powerful than the lord of the house. > So here if you see in worksheet Mars has 10 points only BUT he is in > House E with high points so he will act like the lord of the house > he is in and be eager to give results and it did. > > About Father, Mother, and your sisters I do not know how to see that > for now. We will in time receive a lesson on Medical astrology > apart from others. Right now we are getting acquaited with the > basic system and laws. So maybe in time I will be able to answer > these questions of yours. > > Hope that helps, > Anurag, cast your worksheet and see how these laws fit in so well > with your chart. You will notice why you are intellegent, why you > did enginnering, why you got a job on particular date, infact if you > study your 10th house points you will notice that probably 1997/03 > thru 2000/03 you might have faced good authority in job, 2000/03 > thru 2002/12 also in mercury antra again it has good points for 10th > house so may get rise or promotion etc... you can confirm the same. > > Thanking you for sharing your chart, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > Dear Margarita, > > I shall go through this chart and give my comments tomorrow. > > Sorry about the delay. > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " dirk & margarita > > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > > > Welcome to the list Anurag. As you posted your chart, I just > make > > some > > > comments because it's always a good exercice and basis for > > discussion. As > > > you gave some dates I take these to discuss. > > > First I want to point out some important things in your chart > > > Saturn becomes very strong because he collects the points from > > Sun,Jup and > > > Venus. > > > Sun and Venus are both with 2 points in the 10th place from > Mars, > > 6th lord. > > > Sun being more inimical will collect the points normally but > Mars > > is 6th > > > lord so points are working in reverse, even if Sun also stays > very > > powerful. > > > Mars has big influence in your chart. > > > SPECIAL EVENTS > > > Education, degree, job > > > Rahu/Mars. Mars is 6th lord = many competitors. Mercury is lord > A > > for the > > > 1st and strong (5 points) in the 6th. This Mercury is getting > > stability from > > > sight of Saturn. This tells the story bout your succes in these > > matters = > > > facing many adversities you survive nevertheless in a very > > satisfactory > > > manner. > > > > > > Marriage : during Jupiter/Venus > > > Jupiter is lord A and Venus is lord B and E for marriage. It has > 22 > > points > > > for the 7th but is a bit weak for 5th and 12th. It is also in > > krittika > > > > > > Birth of daughter : Jupiter/Venus > > > birth is definitely a Jupiter/Venus matter in your chart but I > find > > Venus > > > weak for conception and birth, so there is probably something I'm > > > overlooking.Venus is of course samdharmi to Sun, Jupiter and > Saturn > > who can > > > also give results but I want some more insight from Ash or > somebody > > else > > > ????????????????? Transit of the Sun is in Jupiter/Venus anyway > and > > this > > > fits. > > > > > > Birth of son : Jupiter/Rahu > > > Rahu being samdharmi to Sun,Venus and Jupiter is very eager to > give > > results. > > > Transit is in Saturn/Sun, two strong planets. > > > > > > Health problems of father. I cannot read these from your chart. > If > > somebody > > > has some clues on how to do that in a correct way ?? I suppose > it > > must be > > > possible. > > > > > > Best regards > > > Margarita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release 6/18/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2003 Report Share Posted July 12, 2003 Hello Anurag, Perhaps you are using another ayanamsa. I will get you the values I obtained with Krushna's ayanamsa. It's important to use this only because otherwise of course things do not fit. Rasi : asc 25°56 Scorpio - Sun 0°16 Taurus - Moon 8°14 libra - Mars 19°28 Leo - Mercury 5°05 Aries - Jupiter 12°24 Taurus - Venus 8°31 Taurus - Saturn 23°11 Aquarius - Rahu 22°35 Taurus Navamsa : Asc Aquarius - Sun Capricorn - Moon Sagittarius - Mars Virgo -Mercury Taurus - Jupiter Aries - Venus Pisces - Sturn Aries and Rahu Cancer. I will sent the worksheet to your personal address because it's a big file and it will be an inconvenience for members with slow conncections Best regards Margarita jatatvi [jatatvi]Friday, July 11, 2003 2:28 PM Subject: Re: your chartDear Ash and Margarita,I carefully studied analysis of my chart forward in your analysis (regarding bindus for a planet in a house, position of planets in Navamansh etc.) do not match with my observations on my chart.I am afraid that I might not have worked out chart(s) and ashtakavarga bindus correctly using the Excel tools provided under the Files section. Thus,may I request you to kindly mail me the Excel sheets & charts prepared for the analysis by you. This will help me identify my mistakes.As regards 10th house , I may further add tha tI got good breaks in professional life (a) on 13.5.1995 and (b) 1.7.2000.Perhaps these two events can as well be explained.With best regards, , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...> wrote:> Dear Margarita, Anurag and list members,> Here is my attempt.> > 1) July 1980 - First in Board grade 10.> > Period : Rahu/Mars> > Mars is in 10th house with 5 bindus. For education look at 5th > house. So House E is 10th house and any planet in House E or D with > > 4 bindus is eager to give results.> > Now w.r.t intellegence you are very intellegent. Look at lagna, sun > and moon in Navamsa, Drekkhana and Trimsamsa and you will find that > in 3 spots are falling in Shanis signs. This you will find in the > lesson of finding occupation. So the above 2 factors combined i.e. > a favourable antra running and your intellegence has probably made > you come first in your matriculation. > > > 2) 1986 finishing engineering and joining first job. I think in > India the results come out sometime in the middle of the year..> > Period : Jupiter/Mercury> > 10th lords from lagna, sun and moon are in navamsa of Shani, Mars > and Mercury. Can show enginnering. > > If you cast your worksheet you will notice that you got your job in > the highest significator i.e. Mercury for 6th house. Its also LOE > for 6th house so every eager to give you a good break in job. So no > wonder you got a job. Mercury also is with 5 bindus in Karak sthan > for 11th house as B so overall its good period for you to get your > break.> > 3) Marriage - 25/11/1989. > Period : Jupiter/Venus.> > Venus is in Karak shtan for 12th house. Venus is LOE for 7th > house. It is natural karak for marriage and its placed with > functional karak Guru or also LOA. Venus is also LOE for 12th > house. So this period is definitely very favourable for your > marriage. I came to that conclusion by first considering delay of > Shani. Shani is aspecting Mercury i.e LOC in Rasi and in Navamsa > its with LOA so moderate delay. So when delay of Shani ends you are > in Venus antra. You have no zero points in SAV.> > I am still working on the narrowing of antra part but Maybe > Margarita can give more clearly as to why marriage happened in the > 1st sector. > > 4) Birth of Daugher : 29/12/1990> Conception around : March 1990.> Period : Guru/Venus. > > Venus has less points for 5th house so not very clear. Here is my > other view point. Guru is NK for child birth and FK is Venus here > in your case. Both are together in Karak shan for 12th house. > Venus is LOE for 12th house again. So if in your wifes chart this > is a favourable period I think you can get a child ???> > Also here Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani. Shani is the > strongest significator with 16 points. Its antra is over before you > got married.. I wonder if it can give marriage also Venus is > Samdharmi to Sun and Guru i.e LOD and LOE and it is Karak for child > birth so it may try to give results here ???> > 5) Birth of Son : 18/01/1995> Conception around : April 1994> Period : Jupiter/Mars.> > This is straight forward. Mars is in House E with 5 bindus and will > try to give the result on priority. The law is that planets in > House D or E are eager to give results and more over tennants in > House D or E and in this case its Mars with high bindus i.e. more > than 4 will give their results even before LOD or LOE as tennant is > more powerful than the lord of the house.> So here if you see in worksheet Mars has 10 points only BUT he is in > House E with high points so he will act like the lord of the house > he is in and be eager to give results and it did.> > About Father, Mother, and your sisters I do not know how to see that > for now. We will in time receive a lesson on Medical astrology > apart from others. Right now we are getting acquaited with the > basic system and laws. So maybe in time I will be able to answer > these questions of yours.> > Hope that helps,> Anurag, cast your worksheet and see how these laws fit in so well > with your chart. You will notice why you are intellegent, why you > did enginnering, why you got a job on particular date, infact if you > study your 10th house points you will notice that probably 1997/03 > thru 2000/03 you might have faced good authority in job, 2000/03 > thru 2002/12 also in mercury antra again it has good points for 10th > house so may get rise or promotion etc... you can confirm the same.> > Thanking you for sharing your chart,> Cheers !!!> Ash> > > , "ashsam73" > <ashsam73@h...> wrote:> > Dear Margarita,> > I shall go through this chart and give my comments tomorrow. > > Sorry about the delay.> > Thanking you,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> > > > , "dirk & margarita > > lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> > > Welcome to the list Anurag. As you posted your chart, I just > make > > some> > > comments because it's always a good exercice and basis for > > discussion. As> > > you gave some dates I take these to discuss.> > > First I want to point out some important things in your chart> > > Saturn becomes very strong because he collects the points from > > Sun,Jup and> > > Venus.> > > Sun and Venus are both with 2 points in the 10th place from > Mars, > > 6th lord.> > > Sun being more inimical will collect the points normally but > Mars > > is 6th> > > lord so points are working in reverse, even if Sun also stays > very > > powerful.> > > Mars has big influence in your chart.> > > SPECIAL EVENTS> > > Education, degree, job> > > Rahu/Mars. Mars is 6th lord = many competitors. Mercury is lord > A > > for the> > > 1st and strong (5 points) in the 6th. This Mercury is getting > > stability from> > > sight of Saturn. This tells the story bout your succes in these > > matters => > > facing many adversities you survive nevertheless in a very > > satisfactory> > > manner.> > > > > > Marriage : during Jupiter/Venus> > > Jupiter is lord A and Venus is lord B and E for marriage. It has > 22 > > points> > > for the 7th but is a bit weak for 5th and 12th. It is also in > > krittika> > > > > > Birth of daughter : Jupiter/Venus> > > birth is definitely a Jupiter/Venus matter in your chart but I > find > > Venus> > > weak for conception and birth, so there is probably something I'm> > > overlooking.Venus is of course samdharmi to Sun, Jupiter and > Saturn > > who can> > > also give results but I want some more insight from Ash or > somebody > > else> > > ????????????????? Transit of the Sun is in Jupiter/Venus anyway > and > > this> > > fits.> > > > > > Birth of son : Jupiter/Rahu> > > Rahu being samdharmi to Sun,Venus and Jupiter is very eager to > give > > results.> > > Transit is in Saturn/Sun, two strong planets.> > > > > > Health problems of father. I cannot read these from your chart. > If > > somebody> > > has some clues on how to do that in a correct way ?? I suppose > it > > must be> > > possible.> > > > > > Best regards> > > Margarita> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---> > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> > > Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release 6/18/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Dear Margrita, Thanks for the inputs. Could you please send the work sheet for me at my e-mail agnihotri_anurag. Regards, , " dirk & margarita lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Anurag, > Perhaps you are using another ayanamsa. I will get you the values I obtained > with Krushna's ayanamsa. It's important to use this only because otherwise > of course things do not fit. > Rasi : asc 25°56 Scorpio - Sun 0°16 Taurus - Moon 8°14 libra - Mars 19°28 > Leo - Mercury 5°05 Aries - Jupiter 12°24 Taurus - Venus 8°31 Taurus - Saturn > 23°11 Aquarius - Rahu 22°35 Taurus > Navamsa : Asc Aquarius - Sun Capricorn - Moon Sagittarius - Mars > Virgo -Mercury Taurus - Jupiter Aries - Venus Pisces - Sturn Aries and Rahu > Cancer. > I will sent the worksheet to your personal address because it's a big file > and it will be an inconvenience for members with slow conncections > Best regards > Margarita > > > > jatatvi [jatatvi] > Friday, July 11, 2003 2:28 PM > > Re: your chart > > > Dear Ash and Margarita, > I carefully studied analysis of my chart forward in your > analysis (regarding bindus for a planet in a house, position of > planets in Navamansh etc.) do not match with my observations on my > chart. > > I am afraid that I might not have worked out chart(s) and > ashtakavarga bindus correctly using the Excel tools provided under > the Files section. > > Thus,may I request you to kindly mail me the Excel sheets & charts > prepared for the analysis by you. This will help me identify my > mistakes. > > As regards 10th house , I may further add tha tI got good breaks in > professional life (a) on 13.5.1995 and (b) 1.7.2000. > Perhaps these two events can as well be explained. > > With best regards, > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > Dear Margarita, Anurag and list members, > > Here is my attempt. > > > > 1) July 1980 - First in Board grade 10. > > > > Period : Rahu/Mars > > > > Mars is in 10th house with 5 bindus. For education look at 5th > > house. So House E is 10th house and any planet in House E or D > with > > > 4 bindus is eager to give results. > > > > Now w.r.t intellegence you are very intellegent. Look at lagna, > sun > > and moon in Navamsa, Drekkhana and Trimsamsa and you will find that > > in 3 spots are falling in Shanis signs. This you will find in the > > lesson of finding occupation. So the above 2 factors combined i.e. > > a favourable antra running and your intellegence has probably made > > you come first in your matriculation. > > > > > > 2) 1986 finishing engineering and joining first job. I think in > > India the results come out sometime in the middle of the year.. > > > > Period : Jupiter/Mercury > > > > 10th lords from lagna, sun and moon are in navamsa of Shani, Mars > > and Mercury. Can show enginnering. > > > > If you cast your worksheet you will notice that you got your job in > > the highest significator i.e. Mercury for 6th house. Its also LOE > > for 6th house so every eager to give you a good break in job. So > no > > wonder you got a job. Mercury also is with 5 bindus in Karak sthan > > for 11th house as B so overall its good period for you to get your > > break. > > > > 3) Marriage - 25/11/1989. > > Period : Jupiter/Venus. > > > > Venus is in Karak shtan for 12th house. Venus is LOE for 7th > > house. It is natural karak for marriage and its placed with > > functional karak Guru or also LOA. Venus is also LOE for 12th > > house. So this period is definitely very favourable for your > > marriage. I came to that conclusion by first considering delay of > > Shani. Shani is aspecting Mercury i.e LOC in Rasi and in Navamsa > > its with LOA so moderate delay. So when delay of Shani ends you > are > > in Venus antra. You have no zero points in SAV. > > > > I am still working on the narrowing of antra part but Maybe > > Margarita can give more clearly as to why marriage happened in the > > 1st sector. > > > > 4) Birth of Daugher : 29/12/1990 > > Conception around : March 1990. > > Period : Guru/Venus. > > > > Venus has less points for 5th house so not very clear. Here is my > > other view point. Guru is NK for child birth and FK is Venus here > > in your case. Both are together in Karak shan for 12th house. > > Venus is LOE for 12th house again. So if in your wifes chart this > > is a favourable period I think you can get a child ??? > > > > Also here Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani. Shani is the > > strongest significator with 16 points. Its antra is over before > you > > got married.. I wonder if it can give marriage also Venus is > > Samdharmi to Sun and Guru i.e LOD and LOE and it is Karak for child > > birth so it may try to give results here ??? > > > > 5) Birth of Son : 18/01/1995 > > Conception around : April 1994 > > Period : Jupiter/Mars. > > > > This is straight forward. Mars is in House E with 5 bindus and > will > > try to give the result on priority. The law is that planets in > > House D or E are eager to give results and more over tennants in > > House D or E and in this case its Mars with high bindus i.e. more > > than 4 will give their results even before LOD or LOE as tennant is > > more powerful than the lord of the house. > > So here if you see in worksheet Mars has 10 points only BUT he is > in > > House E with high points so he will act like the lord of the house > > he is in and be eager to give results and it did. > > > > About Father, Mother, and your sisters I do not know how to see > that > > for now. We will in time receive a lesson on Medical astrology > > apart from others. Right now we are getting acquaited with the > > basic system and laws. So maybe in time I will be able to answer > > these questions of yours. > > > > Hope that helps, > > Anurag, cast your worksheet and see how these laws fit in so well > > with your chart. You will notice why you are intellegent, why you > > did enginnering, why you got a job on particular date, infact if > you > > study your 10th house points you will notice that probably 1997/03 > > thru 2000/03 you might have faced good authority in job, 2000/03 > > thru 2002/12 also in mercury antra again it has good points for > 10th > > house so may get rise or promotion etc... you can confirm the same. > > > > Thanking you for sharing your chart, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > Dear Margarita, > > > I shall go through this chart and give my comments tomorrow. > > > Sorry about the delay. > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , " dirk & > margarita > > > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > > > > Welcome to the list Anurag. As you posted your chart, I just > > make > > > some > > > > comments because it's always a good exercice and basis for > > > discussion. As > > > > you gave some dates I take these to discuss. > > > > First I want to point out some important things in your chart > > > > Saturn becomes very strong because he collects the points from > > > Sun,Jup and > > > > Venus. > > > > Sun and Venus are both with 2 points in the 10th place from > > Mars, > > > 6th lord. > > > > Sun being more inimical will collect the points normally but > > Mars > > > is 6th > > > > lord so points are working in reverse, even if Sun also stays > > very > > > powerful. > > > > Mars has big influence in your chart. > > > > SPECIAL EVENTS > > > > Education, degree, job > > > > Rahu/Mars. Mars is 6th lord = many competitors. Mercury is lord > > A > > > for the > > > > 1st and strong (5 points) in the 6th. This Mercury is getting > > > stability from > > > > sight of Saturn. This tells the story bout your succes in these > > > matters = > > > > facing many adversities you survive nevertheless in a very > > > satisfactory > > > > manner. > > > > > > > > Marriage : during Jupiter/Venus > > > > Jupiter is lord A and Venus is lord B and E for marriage. It > has > > 22 > > > points > > > > for the 7th but is a bit weak for 5th and 12th. It is also in > > > krittika > > > > > > > > Birth of daughter : Jupiter/Venus > > > > birth is definitely a Jupiter/Venus matter in your chart but I > > find > > > Venus > > > > weak for conception and birth, so there is probably something > I'm > > > > overlooking.Venus is of course samdharmi to Sun, Jupiter and > > Saturn > > > who can > > > > also give results but I want some more insight from Ash or > > somebody > > > else > > > > ????????????????? Transit of the Sun is in Jupiter/Venus anyway > > and > > > this > > > > fits. > > > > > > > > Birth of son : Jupiter/Rahu > > > > Rahu being samdharmi to Sun,Venus and Jupiter is very eager to > > give > > > results. > > > > Transit is in Saturn/Sun, two strong planets. > > > > > > > > Health problems of father. I cannot read these from your chart. > > If > > > somebody > > > > has some clues on how to do that in a correct way ?? I suppose > > it > > > must be > > > > possible. > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > Margarita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 6/18/03 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 OK, I hope you got it this time, I sent it to a wrong address, Sorry ! Let me know if it didn't arrive, perhaps I can zip it if the file is too big Best regards Margarita jatatvi [jatatvi]Monday, July 21, 2003 2:18 PM Subject: Re: your chartDear Margrita,Thanks for the inputs.Could you please send the work sheet for me at my e-mail agnihotri_anurag.Regards, , "dirk & margarita lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> Hello Anurag,> Perhaps you are using another ayanamsa. I will get you the values I obtained> with Krushna's ayanamsa. It's important to use this only because otherwise> of course things do not fit.> Rasi : asc 25°56 Scorpio - Sun 0°16 Taurus - Moon 8°14 libra - Mars 19°28> Leo - Mercury 5°05 Aries - Jupiter 12°24 Taurus - Venus 8°31 Taurus - Saturn> 23°11 Aquarius - Rahu 22°35 Taurus> Navamsa : Asc Aquarius - Sun Capricorn - Moon Sagittarius - Mars> Virgo -Mercury Taurus - Jupiter Aries - Venus Pisces - Sturn Aries and Rahu> Cancer.> I will sent the worksheet to your personal address because it's a big file> and it will be an inconvenience for members with slow conncections> Best regards> Margarita> > > > jatatvi [jatatvi]> Friday, July 11, 2003 2:28 PM> > Re: your chart> > > Dear Ash and Margarita,> I carefully studied analysis of my chart forward in your> analysis (regarding bindus for a planet in a house, position of> planets in Navamansh etc.) do not match with my observations on my> chart.> > I am afraid that I might not have worked out chart(s) and> ashtakavarga bindus correctly using the Excel tools provided under> the Files section.> > Thus,may I request you to kindly mail me the Excel sheets & charts> prepared for the analysis by you. This will help me identify my> mistakes.> > As regards 10th house , I may further add tha tI got good breaks in> professional life (a) on 13.5.1995 and (b) 1.7.2000.> Perhaps these two events can as well be explained.> > With best regards,> > , "ashsam73"> <ashsam73@h...> wrote:> > Dear Margarita, Anurag and list members,> > Here is my attempt.> >> > 1) July 1980 - First in Board grade 10.> >> > Period : Rahu/Mars> >> > Mars is in 10th house with 5 bindus. For education look at 5th> > house. So House E is 10th house and any planet in House E or D> with> > > 4 bindus is eager to give results.> >> > Now w.r.t intellegence you are very intellegent. Look at lagna,> sun> > and moon in Navamsa, Drekkhana and Trimsamsa and you will find that> > in 3 spots are falling in Shanis signs. This you will find in the> > lesson of finding occupation. So the above 2 factors combined i.e.> > a favourable antra running and your intellegence has probably made> > you come first in your matriculation.> >> >> > 2) 1986 finishing engineering and joining first job. I think in> > India the results come out sometime in the middle of the year..> >> > Period : Jupiter/Mercury> >> > 10th lords from lagna, sun and moon are in navamsa of Shani, Mars> > and Mercury. Can show enginnering.> >> > If you cast your worksheet you will notice that you got your job in> > the highest significator i.e. Mercury for 6th house. Its also LOE> > for 6th house so every eager to give you a good break in job. So> no> > wonder you got a job. Mercury also is with 5 bindus in Karak sthan> > for 11th house as B so overall its good period for you to get your> > break.> >> > 3) Marriage - 25/11/1989.> > Period : Jupiter/Venus.> >> > Venus is in Karak shtan for 12th house. Venus is LOE for 7th> > house. It is natural karak for marriage and its placed with> > functional karak Guru or also LOA. Venus is also LOE for 12th> > house. So this period is definitely very favourable for your> > marriage. I came to that conclusion by first considering delay of> > Shani. Shani is aspecting Mercury i.e LOC in Rasi and in Navamsa> > its with LOA so moderate delay. So when delay of Shani ends you> are> > in Venus antra. You have no zero points in SAV.> >> > I am still working on the narrowing of antra part but Maybe> > Margarita can give more clearly as to why marriage happened in the> > 1st sector.> >> > 4) Birth of Daugher : 29/12/1990> > Conception around : March 1990.> > Period : Guru/Venus.> >> > Venus has less points for 5th house so not very clear. Here is my> > other view point. Guru is NK for child birth and FK is Venus here> > in your case. Both are together in Karak shan for 12th house.> > Venus is LOE for 12th house again. So if in your wifes chart this> > is a favourable period I think you can get a child ???> >> > Also here Venus is natural samdharmi to Shani. Shani is the> > strongest significator with 16 points. Its antra is over before> you> > got married.. I wonder if it can give marriage also Venus is> > Samdharmi to Sun and Guru i.e LOD and LOE and it is Karak for child> > birth so it may try to give results here ???> >> > 5) Birth of Son : 18/01/1995> > Conception around : April 1994> > Period : Jupiter/Mars.> >> > This is straight forward. Mars is in House E with 5 bindus and> will> > try to give the result on priority. The law is that planets in> > House D or E are eager to give results and more over tennants in> > House D or E and in this case its Mars with high bindus i.e. more> > than 4 will give their results even before LOD or LOE as tennant is> > more powerful than the lord of the house.> > So here if you see in worksheet Mars has 10 points only BUT he is> in> > House E with high points so he will act like the lord of the house> > he is in and be eager to give results and it did.> >> > About Father, Mother, and your sisters I do not know how to see> that> > for now. We will in time receive a lesson on Medical astrology> > apart from others. Right now we are getting acquaited with the> > basic system and laws. So maybe in time I will be able to answer> > these questions of yours.> >> > Hope that helps,> > Anurag, cast your worksheet and see how these laws fit in so well> > with your chart. You will notice why you are intellegent, why you> > did enginnering, why you got a job on particular date, infact if> you> > study your 10th house points you will notice that probably 1997/03> > thru 2000/03 you might have faced good authority in job, 2000/03> > thru 2002/12 also in mercury antra again it has good points for> 10th> > house so may get rise or promotion etc... you can confirm the same.> >> > Thanking you for sharing your chart,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> >> >> > , "ashsam73"> > <ashsam73@h...> wrote:> > > Dear Margarita,> > > I shall go through this chart and give my comments tomorrow.> > > Sorry about the delay.> > > Thanking you,> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash> > >> > > , "dirk & > margarita> > > lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> > > > Welcome to the list Anurag. As you posted your chart, I just> > make> > > some> > > > comments because it's always a good exercice and basis for> > > discussion. As> > > > you gave some dates I take these to discuss.> > > > First I want to point out some important things in your chart> > > > Saturn becomes very strong because he collects the points from> > > Sun,Jup and> > > > Venus.> > > > Sun and Venus are both with 2 points in the 10th place from> > Mars,> > > 6th lord.> > > > Sun being more inimical will collect the points normally but> > Mars> > > is 6th> > > > lord so points are working in reverse, even if Sun also stays> > very> > > powerful.> > > > Mars has big influence in your chart.> > > > SPECIAL EVENTS> > > > Education, degree, job> > > > Rahu/Mars. Mars is 6th lord = many competitors. Mercury is lord> > A> > > for the> > > > 1st and strong (5 points) in the 6th. This Mercury is getting> > > stability from> > > > sight of Saturn. This tells the story bout your succes in these> > > matters => > > > facing many adversities you survive nevertheless in a very> > > satisfactory> > > > manner.> > > >> > > > Marriage : during Jupiter/Venus> > > > Jupiter is lord A and Venus is lord B and E for marriage. It> has> > 22> > > points> > > > for the 7th but is a bit weak for 5th and 12th. It is also in> > > krittika> > > >> > > > Birth of daughter : Jupiter/Venus> > > > birth is definitely a Jupiter/Venus matter in your chart but I> > find> > > Venus> > > > weak for conception and birth, so there is probably something> I'm> > > > overlooking.Venus is of course samdharmi to Sun, Jupiter and> > Saturn> > > who can> > > > also give results but I want some more insight from Ash or> > somebody> > > else> > > > ????????????????? Transit of the Sun is in Jupiter/Venus anyway> > and> > > this> > > > fits.> > > >> > > > Birth of son : Jupiter/Rahu> > > > Rahu being samdharmi to Sun,Venus and Jupiter is very eager to> > give> > > results.> > > > Transit is in Saturn/Sun, two strong planets.> > > >> > > > Health problems of father. I cannot read these from your chart.> > If> > > somebody> > > > has some clues on how to do that in a correct way ?? I suppose> > it> > > must be> > > > possible.> > > >> > > > Best regards> > > > Margarita> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ---> > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> > > > Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release 6/18/03> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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