shani in 12th .. 6 bindus - Sanjay, Phillippe, Denis - Puneet

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Dear Puneet,

This is an old post that I could dig up .. may help in understanding

this phenemon.

 

This was an exchange between Kruahnaji and Sanjay.

 

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Hope that helps,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> Dear Puneet,

> Good to hear from you.. very good question.

>

> Rahu represents sign and nakshatra depositer.

>

> Here Ketu represents Shani and Rahu

> and Rahu represents Sun and Ketu.

>

> So here Rahu and Ketu will represent the same planets as

>

> Rahu = Sun and (Ketu = Shani) hence Rahu = Sun and Shani

> Ketu = Shani and (Rahu = Sun) hence Ketu = Shani and Sun.

>

> If you notice Shan and Sun both have lowest and 2nd lowest points

> for 7th house. Marriage is delayed... It just happened after

both

> LOD and LOE i.e. Moon and Mars's antra in Rahus antra... Why ?

>

> Check Venus to Sun distance .. its greater than 43 degrees its

> 45.563 degrees away.

>

> This is one explanation with Leo lagna. Notice the degrees of

> ascendent its 1 degrees 30 mins into Leo. Try to change the birth

> time and then see if things match up. Other event would also be

> helpful to see if things match up w.r.t. events.. .in any case..

> good point..

>

> When unhappy marriages are indicated such marriages can happen in

> loweset significator of sub of 6th lord.

>

> Here also check 1st / 7th points its 37/31. This person can be

very

> egoistic or stubborn..and supremely confident in what he does...

> fixed opinion of thigns....

>

> Try the same by chaning the time and check with other lagna...

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " sunnyjoshi25 "

> <sunnyjoshi25> wrote:

> > Dear Margarita, Ash, etc...

> >

> > I'm a still a little confused with what the answer to the Rahu

> > samdharmi outcome was as given by Krushnaji. If Ketu is

samdharmi

> > does Rahu fit the bill and also become samdharmi? I'm looking

at

> a

> > chart of an Indian gov't official given in a book, he got

married

> in

> > rahu sub but I don't see the connection. definately Ketu (Mars)

> seems

> > to be an extremely strong significator but I don't see how rahu

> gave

> > it - unless he acts in accordance with ketu (since in this case

> rahu

> > is in the nakshatra of ketu...so does the " samdharmiship " in

this

> > case default to him (rahu)? I just can't see it.. data given

below:

> >

> > (male)

> > April 20. 1924

> > 14:00

> > 73E02, 26N17

> >

> >

> > date of marriage: Feb 23, 1957

> >

> > - Puneet

> > , " krushanain "

> > <krushanain> wrote:

> > > Dear Ash,

> > > Sixth lord always gives reverse result then what is

seen.

> > When

> > > any planet is with less points it's sight is benefic. But for

> sixth

> > > lord it will be reverse. It's presence in any house with more

> > points

> > > will reduce the result of that house. ( Except first house.)

> > > For getting the true effect I have suggested to

consider

> > it's

> > > points as reverse. It means when it is having benefic sight on

> any

> > > house or planet, it will be malefic. For the same reason The

> points

> > > gained due to sixth lord should not be considered. Even Equal

> > points

> > > from the strength of the planet should be delated, and if

still

> the

> > > power of the planet is more, then and then it will give the

> result.

> > > (it means for geting the actual strength of a planet getting

> > strength

> > > due to the sight of sixth lord, double the points should be

> delated

> > > to judge its strength for giving the result. ( double points

to

> > > compensate the ill effect of sixth lord.)

> > > This is not applicable for 1st house.

> > > krushna

> > >

> > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Krushnaji,

> > > > I understand that as per the system

> > > >

> > > > 1) Planet with high points i.e. More points will increase

the

> > > result

> > > > of house it is placed in i.e. Considering that as House B.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Such planets have malefic sight. Planets with high

bindus

> > will

> > > > aspect with malefic bindus.

> > > >

> > > > 3) I also understand that when we consider points any planet

> > > receive

> > > > points from 6th house or 12th from B we should not consider

> their

> > > > benefic points.

> > > >

> > > > What I do not understand is the phenemon of reversing the

> points

> > > only

> > > > for 6th lord. We had discussed this point on the list where

> you

> > > had

> > > > said that 6th lord in 6th house to consider that planet to

> > reverse

> > > > its bindu.

> > > >

> > > > a )So if say Planet X is 6th lord and is placed in 6th house

> with

> > 2

> > > > bindus then to consider X as 8 - 2 bindus i.e. 6 bindus and

> then

> > > take

> > > > its aspect.

> > > >

> > > > b) Then once I had considered 6th lord in lagna and I had

> > reversed

> > > > the bindus and you had told me .. not to do that.. only to

> > consider

> > > > 6th lord in 6th house that way... i..e reverse the binud

> > > >

> > > > c) In this case you have considered Shani who is 6th lord

> placed

> > in

> > > > 12th house i.e. House E for 7th house as B and you have

> > considered

> > > > its bindus reversed i.e told to consider such a shani as if

it

> > had

> > > 6

> > > > bindus.

> > > >

> > > > So that is why I am getting confused. You are in your mind

> > > computing

> > > > things perfectly.. but I think we are getting confused

because

> > this

> > > > 6th lord is really confusing and a real culprit.

> > > >

> > > > I hope you are understanding where I and I think Margarita

is

> > also

> > > > getting confused.

> > > >

> > > > Also while at it.. Do planets with low points in House D or

E

> > also

> > > > are eager to give results ?

> > > >

> > > > Can you give us a little more understanding of House you are

> > seeing

> > > > the chart and 6th house.. and any analogy if you come up

with

> > (like

> > > > boss and subordinate you had given nicely for 4:10

> relationship)

> > > that

> > > > will clear this 6th house and 6th lord matters ... and bring

> more

> > > > clarify to our thought process.

> > > >

> > > > Please do so when you get some spare time. I do know you

are

> > very

> > > > busy.

> > > >

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , krushna

> > > jugalkalani

> > > > <krushanain> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > One more information for you: When sixth lord

> > > > > is situated in any house with MORE points then

> > > > > considering that house as " B " it will increase the

> > > > > result of that house, but at the same time at the cost

> > > > > of the houses it aspects.

> > > > > If any planet gains points from sixth lord then

> > > > > the strength of that planet should not be considered

> > > > > for the result.

> > > > > krushna

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sanjay, Phillippe and Dennis,

> > > > >

> > > > > I know you all have worked on the respective worksheet

> > > > > programs.

> > > > >

> > > > > Have you all considered the effect of 6th lord in 6th

> > > > > house or this

> > > > > particular case of 6th lord by considering the 8 -

> > > > > bindus obtained

> > > > > by 6th lord and then considering its effect.... i.e.

> > > > > its dristi.

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you all clear on this phenemon and how have you

> > > > > all incorporated

> > > > > this in your worksheets... please let me know your

> > > > > understanding

> > > > > regarding this topic.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanking you,

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > > > " ashsam73 "

> > > > > <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Margarita,

> > > > > > Could you figure out why Krushnaji has considered

> > > > > 6th lord being

> > > > > > placed in 12th who is LOE for 7th house with 2

> > > > > bindus is showing

> > > > > > results as if it were with (8 minus 2 = 6 bindus).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So far I was only considering that for 6th lord

> > > > > being placed in

> > > > > 6th

> > > > > > house. This is interesting. I had also asked about

> > > > > considering

> > > > > 6th

> > > > > > lord in other houses and it was to be considered

> > > > > like we consider

> > > > > > 6th lord in 6th house i.e. reverse the bindus. So

> > > > > if Shani were

> > > > > 6th

> > > > > > lord and in 6th house with 2 bindus then to consider

> > > > > it as 6

> > > > > bindus

> > > > > > or if Shani were in 6th house in own sign with 5

> > > > > bindus then to

> > > > > > consider that as 8 minus 5 = 3 bindus and consider

> > > > > its aspects...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This again does not close that topic .. Krushnaji is

> > > > > reasoning

> > > > > this

> > > > > > different and I would like to discuss this topic

> > > > > after we finish

> > > > > > discussing Shivas chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would like to get this fundamental concept

> > > > > understood

> > > > > correctly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think we should also consider some charts to get

> > > > > proper

> > > > > > understanding of this phenemon.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanking you,

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >