Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Dear Sateesh, Have you noticed such a venus in the constellation of krittika, mula, jayeshta or aadra and being aspected by Saturn and conjoined Mars and shani aspecting a luminiary in rasi or navamsa ? Cheers !!! Ash , " Sateesh Batas " <makara@n...> wrote: > Being a favourite topic of mine, given mine is 1.5* I tend to look for this in any charts I see with marriage issues. > > A great number of them (even most) have Venus around 45* or 46* from the Sun - this rule seems to work very consistently. > > Sateesh. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release 10/07/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Dear Ash, In my own findings, I have not come across the Venus in those Naks that much in the charts I have seen - so the Sun-Venus distance can damage on its own in my limited experience. i.e.Venus can be < or > distance from Sun, without having to be in the stated Naks, for there to be problems. Sateesh. ======== - "ashsam73" <ashsam73 Thursday, July 10, 2003 1:28 PM Re: Venus to Sun distance : Dear Sateesh,: Have you noticed such a venus in the constellation of krittika, : mula, jayeshta or aadra and being aspected by Saturn and conjoined : Mars and shani aspecting a luminiary in rasi or navamsa ? ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release 10/07/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Dear Sateesh, You are correct. The way Venus gets spoilt is by 1) Distance (which you have pointed out) 2) Nakshtra placement (Krittika owned by Sun, Aadra, Mula and Jayeshta) 3) Shani aspecting spoilt venus i.e. can be point 1 or 2 as Shani will enhance to NEGATIVE qualities of Venus (so if venus is spoint due to point 1 then it will enhance the effects) 4) If Shani also aspects a lumniary in rasi or navamsa then it may deny marriage or late marriage or extra marritial marriage etc.. just basically thigns which can give unstable marriage or no marriage 5) If Mars joins such spoilt venus then it increase the " animal " instinct and such a Mars takes Venus to another level.. u know what i mean... 6) The relieving factor or something that can cause some check on such combinations is that of Guru. But what if that Guru is 6th lord or in libra was my question ? Hope to get some guidance there ? So in my previous mail.. i just considered all these points.. so keep your eye out for such a chart and if you come across such a chart please share your experiences. Also keep your eye out for Venus being placed in the specific constellation of Krittika, Aadra, Mula or Jayestha or even in any constellation ruled by sun (Krittika is worst). Or ofcourse Guru in libra..... Cheers !!! Ash , " Sateesh Batas " <makara@n...> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > In my own findings, I have not come across the Venus in those Naks that much in the charts I have seen - so the Sun-Venus distance can damage on its own in my limited experience. > > i.e.Venus can be < or > distance from Sun, without having to be in the stated Naks, for there to be problems. > > Sateesh. > > ======== > > - > " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> > > Thursday, July 10, 2003 1:28 PM > Re: Venus to Sun distance > > > : Dear Sateesh, > : Have you noticed such a venus in the constellation of krittika, > : mula, jayeshta or aadra and being aspected by Saturn and conjoined > : Mars and shani aspecting a luminiary in rasi or navamsa ? > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release 10/07/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Dear Ash, Thanks for listing all the points in 1 post - I will keep this. I have one chart of female, but just date, no time that has many of these factors - 3rd Dec 1970. Jupiter in Libra, with Venus+Mars in Libra - all 3 aspected by Saturn in Aries! One point I want to ask you about - she has Mars and Saturn together in Navamsa - does that do anything, or is it ONLY when Saturn is hitting Venus/Sun/Moon (and Mars doesn't make difference)? Thanks - Satees.h ======== - "ashsam73" <ashsam73 Thursday, July 10, 2003 1:44 PM Re: Venus to Sun distance : Dear Sateesh,: You are correct.: : The way Venus gets spoilt is by : : 1) Distance (which you have pointed out): 2) Nakshtra placement (Krittika owned by Sun, Aadra, Mula and : Jayeshta): 3) Shani aspecting spoilt venus i.e. can be point 1 or 2 as Shani : will enhance to NEGATIVE qualities of Venus (so if venus is spoint : due to point 1 then it will enhance the effects): 4) If Shani also aspects a lumniary in rasi or navamsa then it may : deny marriage or late marriage or extra marritial marriage etc.. : just basically thigns which can give unstable marriage or no marriage: 5) If Mars joins such spoilt venus then it increase the "animal" : instinct and such a Mars takes Venus to another level.. u know what : i mean...: : 6) The relieving factor or something that can cause some check on : such combinations is that of Guru. But what if that Guru is 6th : lord or in libra was my question ? Hope to get some guidance there ?: : So in my previous mail.. i just considered all these points.. so : keep your eye out for such a chart and if you come across such a : chart please share your experiences.: : Also keep your eye out for Venus being placed in the specific : constellation of Krittika, Aadra, Mula or Jayestha or even in any : constellation ruled by sun (Krittika is worst). Or ofcourse Guru in : libra..... ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release 10/07/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Dear Sateesh, Mars is the sexual barometer in a female. So its a very important planet when one is studying female charts. A strong mars for all houses will make a girl mature sooner. By a strong mars I mean > 12 points for all houses. People with guru in libra have some problem or the other as its spoilt. Dev Guru in Rakshash gurus house. Also whats important is to check number of Zero points in SAV. Those are the houses that person may not get full happiness in .. and since no planet supports (that is why 0) then natural malefics i..e shani and marss transit over those houses create trouble. For love marriage or gandharva vivah you overlap charts and check relation between Rahu, Shani, Venus and Mars of both charts this is for friendship. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Sateesh Batas " <makara@n...> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Thanks for listing all the points in 1 post - I will keep this. > > I have one chart of female, but just date, no time that has many of these factors - 3rd Dec 1970. > > Jupiter in Libra, with Venus+Mars in Libra - all 3 aspected by Saturn in Aries! > > One point I want to ask you about - she has Mars and Saturn together in Navamsa - does that do anything, or is it ONLY when Saturn is hitting Venus/Sun/Moon (and Mars doesn't make difference)? > > Thanks - Satees.h > > ======== > > - > " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> > > Thursday, July 10, 2003 1:44 PM > Re: Venus to Sun distance > > > : Dear Sateesh, > : You are correct. > : > : The way Venus gets spoilt is by > : > : 1) Distance (which you have pointed out) > : 2) Nakshtra placement (Krittika owned by Sun, Aadra, Mula and > : Jayeshta) > : 3) Shani aspecting spoilt venus i.e. can be point 1 or 2 as Shani > : will enhance to NEGATIVE qualities of Venus (so if venus is spoint > : due to point 1 then it will enhance the effects) > : 4) If Shani also aspects a lumniary in rasi or navamsa then it may > : deny marriage or late marriage or extra marritial marriage etc.. > : just basically thigns which can give unstable marriage or no marriage > : 5) If Mars joins such spoilt venus then it increase the " animal " > : instinct and such a Mars takes Venus to another level.. u know what > : i mean... > : > : 6) The relieving factor or something that can cause some check on > : such combinations is that of Guru. But what if that Guru is 6th > : lord or in libra was my question ? Hope to get some guidance there ? > : > : So in my previous mail.. i just considered all these points.. so > : keep your eye out for such a chart and if you come across such a > : chart please share your experiences. > : > : Also keep your eye out for Venus being placed in the specific > : constellation of Krittika, Aadra, Mula or Jayestha or even in any > : constellation ruled by sun (Krittika is worst). Or ofcourse Guru in > : libra..... > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release 10/07/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Dear Ash, Thanks for your reply. One question I still have, I am not sure if we ever cleared it - Do we also see the relationship between 2 people's Mars+Mars, or Saturn+Saturn or Venus+Venus, or Rahu+Rahu - or is it only DIFFERENT planets we check, and not same+same? Sateesh. ======== - "ashsam73" <ashsam73 Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:16 PM Re: Venus to Sun distance :: For love marriage or gandharva vivah you overlap charts and check : relation between Rahu, Shani, Venus and Mars of both charts this is : for friendship. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release 10/07/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Sateesh, Very good question. I am not 100% clear on this one... though I can tell u whatever little I know. For comparing 2 chart i.e. overlapping Ascendent over Ascendent OR Sign over Sign both are valid we check 1) Male Venus with Female Mars. 2) Saturn of one chart with Venus of the other 3) Rahu of one chart with venus of the other 4) Venus and Mars in same navamsha or if the navamsa lords are the same then that also can show close relationship 5) Sun and Moon of 2 charts should be checked. Now with Mars of female and Venus of male I can understand as both are " sexual barometers " male and female charts. Shani's of Male with Venus of female what does that check ? Rahu of Male with Venus of female what does that check ? So based on that sateesh, I do not know what it would serve to check Venus-Venus or Mars-Mars... etc Hope to get some guidance here too... thanks for bringing that up Sateesh... this is something that I was not very clear on... Cheers !!! Ash , " Sateesh Batas " <makara@n...> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Thanks for your reply. > > One question I still have, I am not sure if we ever cleared it - > > Do we also see the relationship between 2 people's Mars+Mars, or Saturn+Saturn or Venus+Venus, or Rahu+Rahu - or is it only DIFFERENT planets we check, and not same+same? > > Sateesh. > > ======== > > - > " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> > > Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:16 PM > Re: Venus to Sun distance > > > :: For love marriage or gandharva vivah you overlap charts and check > : relation between Rahu, Shani, Venus and Mars of both charts this is > : for friendship. > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release 10/07/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Hi, Margarita. I think it does not matter which way round - Ash has seen a chart of one girl with mine (her DOB 08th Feb 1970), where it is HER Venus conjunct MY Mars, and the results kind of spoke for themselves :-) . Thanks - Sateesh. ======== - dirk & margarita lettens Thursday, July 10, 2003 9:11 PM RE: Re: Venus to Sun distance Hello Ash, Sateesh, I'm not aware that one planet has to be in male or female chart. Doesn't it work either way ?? ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release 10/07/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Hello Ash, Sateesh, I'm not aware that one planet has to be in male or female chart. Doesn't it work either way ?? I had picked up a chart that I intended to study. As it came on the list during my vacation I have to look for the boy's chart The chart of the girl is 11 april 1969 at 5:00 pm in New Delhi. Ash, you discussed this chart with Krushna and he stated the following : Saturn of the male chart is aspecting Mars of female chart Rahu of male chart aspects Mars of female chart Saturn of female chart aspects Venus of male chart In female chart 1st and 7th lords are 6:8 relationship. This indicates this marriage is the result of sexual relations before marriage, even after some unavoidable reason. Such relations are indicated in Rahu sub of th male and Mercury sub of the female I didn't have time to look at the girl's chart yet but it seems to me that it doesn't matter very much who's Saturn aspects who's Venus or vice versa. I could be wrong of course. I think the planets involved are Saturn/Mars/Venus and Rahu where Jupiter caan play a moderating role. Best regards Margarita ashsam73 [ashsam73]Thursday, July 10, 2003 3:41 PM Subject: Re: Venus to Sun distanceDear Krushnaji, Margarita and Sateesh,Very good question. I am not 100% clear on this one... though I can tell u whatever little I know.For comparing 2 chart i.e. overlapping Ascendent over Ascendent OR Sign over Sign both are valid we check1) Male Venus with Female Mars. 2) Saturn of one chart with Venus of the other3) Rahu of one chart with venus of the other4) Venus and Mars in same navamsha or if the navamsa lords are the same then that also can show close relationship5) Sun and Moon of 2 charts should be checked.Now with Mars of female and Venus of male I can understand as both are "sexual barometers" male and female charts.Shani's of Male with Venus of female what does that check ?Rahu of Male with Venus of female what does that check ?So based on that sateesh, I do not know what it would serve to check Venus-Venus or Mars-Mars... etcHope to get some guidance here too... thanks for bringing that up Sateesh... this is something that I was not very clear on...Cheers !!!Ash , "Sateesh Batas" <makara@n...> wrote:> Dear Ash,> > Thanks for your reply.> > One question I still have, I am not sure if we ever cleared it - > > Do we also see the relationship between 2 people's Mars+Mars, or Saturn+Saturn or Venus+Venus, or Rahu+Rahu - or is it only DIFFERENT planets we check, and not same+same?> > Sateesh.> > ========> > - > "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...>> > Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:16 PM> Re: Venus to Sun distance> > > :: For love marriage or gandharva vivah you overlap charts and check > : relation between Rahu, Shani, Venus and Mars of both charts this is > : for friendship.> > > > > ---> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release 10/07/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Dear Margarita, I think each planet has a certain significance. Lets list them 1) Venus is male sexual barometer 2) Mars is female sexual barometer 3) Rahu is unorthodox.. not following norms 4) Shani enhances qualities of Venus ( i dont know how it relates to mars.. it could be that shani debilitates in mars sign.. and mars exaltes in shanis sign.. but i could be off..) Now if u go by general I am sure in any chart these planets will have some relation to each other and the probability increases if you include Navamsa... But I feel that there must be something that each of these planets are doing... to the other.. Like for example we check Venus of Male with Mars of female.. i mean here I am sure we are checking the " sexual " compatibility as both are barometers. Now if you are checking Mars of Male and Venus of female then are you checking temperament here ? Similarly If you check Rahu of Male with Mars of female then what are we checking here ? Similarly Shani of male with mars of female what are we checking here ? I think the curx of understanding this phenemon is to understand what each planet represents and what are we checking when we comapre 2 planets ... then it easy to check... like for example.. Krushnaji gave for friendship.. check sun and moon .. now we might be checking .. ego with mind... so in order to have good friendship.. ego (sun) or spirit must be in good harmony with mind (moon)... I hope you are understanding what I am trying to get at... I hope Krushnaji gives us more details on " WHY ? " we check only these planets and " WHAT " do these planets signifiy when we compare. Please share your thought.. lets discuss this further.... Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dirk & margarita lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Ash, Sateesh, > I'm not aware that one planet has to be in male or female chart. Doesn't it > work either way ?? > I had picked up a chart that I intended to study. As it came on the list > during my vacation I have to look for the boy's chart The chart of the girl > is 11 april 1969 at 5:00 pm in New Delhi. Ash, you discussed this chart with > Krushna and he stated the following : > Saturn of the male chart is aspecting Mars of female chart > Rahu of male chart aspects Mars of female chart > Saturn of female chart aspects Venus of male chart > In female chart 1st and 7th lords are 6:8 relationship. > This indicates this marriage is the result of sexual relations before > marriage, even after some unavoidable reason. Such relations are indicated > in Rahu sub of th male and Mercury sub of the female > I didn't have time to look at the girl's chart yet but it seems to me that > it doesn't matter very much who's Saturn aspects who's Venus or vice versa. > I could be wrong of course. I think the planets involved are > Saturn/Mars/Venus and Rahu where Jupiter caan play a moderating role. > Best regards > Margarita > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > Thursday, July 10, 2003 3:41 PM > > Re: Venus to Sun distance > > > Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Sateesh, > Very good question. I am not 100% clear on this one... though I can > tell u whatever little I know. > > For comparing 2 chart i.e. overlapping Ascendent over Ascendent OR > Sign over Sign both are valid we check > > 1) Male Venus with Female Mars. > 2) Saturn of one chart with Venus of the other > 3) Rahu of one chart with venus of the other > 4) Venus and Mars in same navamsha or if the navamsa lords are the > same then that also can show close relationship > 5) Sun and Moon of 2 charts should be checked. > > Now with Mars of female and Venus of male I can understand as both > are " sexual barometers " male and female charts. > > Shani's of Male with Venus of female what does that check ? > Rahu of Male with Venus of female what does that check ? > > So based on that sateesh, I do not know what it would serve to check > Venus-Venus or Mars-Mars... etc > > Hope to get some guidance here too... thanks for bringing that up > Sateesh... this is something that I was not very clear on... > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Sateesh Batas " > <makara@n...> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > One question I still have, I am not sure if we ever cleared it - > > > > Do we also see the relationship between 2 people's Mars+Mars, or > Saturn+Saturn or Venus+Venus, or Rahu+Rahu - or is it only DIFFERENT > planets we check, and not same+same? > > > > Sateesh. > > > > ======== > > > > - > > " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> > > > > Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:16 PM > > Re: Venus to Sun distance > > > > > > :: For love marriage or gandharva vivah you overlap charts and > check > > : relation between Rahu, Shani, Venus and Mars of both charts this > is > > : for friendship. > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 10/07/2003 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Yes Ash, I see what you mean, I will have to think about that, but again, each case being different it's difficult to establish some rules. I'm sure it is about mutual attraction on a "chemical", "physical" or "energetic" level (whatever you call it) I feel Rahu more like a force that escapes reasoning, something like strong "desire" in whatever field it works. But will think about what you said Best regards Margarita ashsam73 [ashsam73]Thursday, July 10, 2003 11:22 PM Subject: Re: Venus to Sun distanceDear Margarita,I think each planet has a certain significance. Lets list them1) Venus is male sexual barometer2) Mars is female sexual barometer3) Rahu is unorthodox.. not following norms4) Shani enhances qualities of Venus ( i dont know how it relates to mars.. it could be that shani debilitates in mars sign.. and mars exaltes in shanis sign.. but i could be off..)Now if u go by general I am sure in any chart these planets will have some relation to each other and the probability increases if you include Navamsa...But I feel that there must be something that each of these planets are doing... to the other.. Like for example we check Venus of Male with Mars of female.. i mean here I am sure we are checking the "sexual" compatibility as both are barometers.Now if you are checking Mars of Male and Venus of female then are you checking temperament here ? Similarly If you check Rahu of Male with Mars of female then what are we checking here ? Similarly Shani of male with mars of female what are we checking here ?I think the curx of understanding this phenemon is to understand what each planet represents and what are we checking when we comapre 2 planets ... then it easy to check...like for example.. Krushnaji gave for friendship.. check sun and moon .. now we might be checking .. ego with mind... so in order to have good friendship.. ego (sun) or spirit must be in good harmony with mind (moon)...I hope you are understanding what I am trying to get at... I hope Krushnaji gives us more details on "WHY ?" we check only these planets and "WHAT" do these planets signifiy when we compare.Please share your thought.. lets discuss this further....Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash , "dirk & margarita lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> Hello Ash, Sateesh,> I'm not aware that one planet has to be in male or female chart. Doesn't it> work either way ??> I had picked up a chart that I intended to study. As it came on the list> during my vacation I have to look for the boy's chart The chart of the girl> is 11 april 1969 at 5:00 pm in New Delhi. Ash, you discussed this chart with> Krushna and he stated the following :> Saturn of the male chart is aspecting Mars of female chart> Rahu of male chart aspects Mars of female chart> Saturn of female chart aspects Venus of male chart> In female chart 1st and 7th lords are 6:8 relationship.> This indicates this marriage is the result of sexual relations before> marriage, even after some unavoidable reason. Such relations are indicated> in Rahu sub of th male and Mercury sub of the female> I didn't have time to look at the girl's chart yet but it seems to me that> it doesn't matter very much who's Saturn aspects who's Venus or vice versa.> I could be wrong of course. I think the planets involved are> Saturn/Mars/Venus and Rahu where Jupiter caan play a moderating role.> Best regards> Margarita> > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> Thursday, July 10, 2003 3:41 PM> > Re: Venus to Sun distance> > > Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Sateesh,> Very good question. I am not 100% clear on this one... though I can> tell u whatever little I know.> > For comparing 2 chart i.e. overlapping Ascendent over Ascendent OR> Sign over Sign both are valid we check> > 1) Male Venus with Female Mars.> 2) Saturn of one chart with Venus of the other> 3) Rahu of one chart with venus of the other> 4) Venus and Mars in same navamsha or if the navamsa lords are the> same then that also can show close relationship> 5) Sun and Moon of 2 charts should be checked.> > Now with Mars of female and Venus of male I can understand as both> are "sexual barometers" male and female charts.> > Shani's of Male with Venus of female what does that check ?> Rahu of Male with Venus of female what does that check ?> > So based on that sateesh, I do not know what it would serve to check> Venus-Venus or Mars-Mars... etc> > Hope to get some guidance here too... thanks for bringing that up> Sateesh... this is something that I was not very clear on...> > Cheers !!!> Ash> > , "Sateesh Batas"> <makara@n...> wrote:> > Dear Ash,> >> > Thanks for your reply.> >> > One question I still have, I am not sure if we ever cleared it -> >> > Do we also see the relationship between 2 people's Mars+Mars, or> Saturn+Saturn or Venus+Venus, or Rahu+Rahu - or is it only DIFFERENT> planets we check, and not same+same?> >> > Sateesh.> >> > ========> >> > -> > "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...>> > > > Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:16 PM> > Re: Venus to Sun distance> >> >> > :: For love marriage or gandharva vivah you overlap charts and> check> > : relation between Rahu, Shani, Venus and Mars of both charts this> is> > : for friendship.> >> >> >> >> > ---> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> > Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release 10/07/2003> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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