Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Dear Krushna, Margarita, Ash and listmembers, there are a few points I don't understand. In some discussions about delay, I thought Jupiter was taken as a delay reducing planet but in other mails, as it is slow moving, it is considered as a planet giving delay. I must have missed something, could you please help me to understand ? It's surely a confusion of mine between different rules in different situations. I also don't understand the exact role of zero in SAV. It is bad, but it seems to have an effect on marriage whatever the house in which it falls. I remember Krushna writing in the lessons that marriage being an important event in life, zero in SAV will have effect on marriage. But it seems logical to think there would be consequences on other important fields too. How can one predict the actual impact of zero in SAV ? Sorry if this has already been discussed in the past. I'm just trying to make my mind clear on this topic. Best regards Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Dear Philippe, Let me try to answer your question. I am sure Krushnaji and Margarita can correct my understandings. 1) Delay causing planet is Shani. Guru is a slow moving planet. I think this part was given in the last lesson of Delay in Marriage. I am also not very clear on how to use this but its a good question. Maybe Krushnaji can give us a little more understanding on when can Guru cause delay. 2) 0 point in SAV. It means that a planet is not supporting that house. Or the person may not get full happiness from that house. So for any event it will hold true not only for marriage. That email might have been in reference to the event of Marriage. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash , " philippe bonin " <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > Dear Krushna, Margarita, Ash and listmembers, > > there are a few points I don't understand. In some discussions about delay, > I thought Jupiter was taken as a delay reducing planet but in other mails, > as it is slow moving, it is considered as a planet giving delay. I must have > missed something, could you please help me to understand ? It's surely a > confusion of mine between different rules in different situations. > > I also don't understand the exact role of zero in SAV. It is bad, but it > seems to have an effect on marriage whatever the house in which it falls. I > remember Krushna writing in the lessons that marriage being an important > event in life, zero in SAV will have effect on marriage. But it seems > logical to think there would be consequences on other important fields too. > How can one predict the actual impact of zero in SAV ? > > Sorry if this has already been discussed in the past. I'm just trying to > make my mind clear on this topic. > > Best regards > > Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Hello Philippe, In my understanding there is a difference betwxeen the delay cause by zero SAV points and the delay through a fast or slow moving planet Fast moving planets will tend to give theire results as soon as possible. Here we also have to look if the planet is LOD or LOE, then he will jump foreward. But then also we have to look at the points in the worksheet and see according to the transit of the Sun where the event can happen. You see, there are different factors that play in this game. Now imagine that Sun, fast moving is going to give results because strong significator and high points. But there are 2 zeros in the Sarva-achtakavarga table, the the Sun wil give its results in his antar dasa but in the 3th 1/3 part of this antar. Suppose there was only 1 zero, the Sun would have given its result in the 2nd 1/3 of the same antar. Let's think about Saturn giving a result. Normally these antar periods are longer and Saturn or a planet strongly related to Saturn (aspect, constellation of navamsa) will tend to give results late in this antar period. But if there are 2 zeros then the result could even be denied. Jupiter is also a slow moving planet. If it can reduce Saturn's delay itself will not give results in its first antar dasa unless it is also lord of D or E and no zero point appear in the sarva (SAV) table If there is a zero in a house this means when this zero falls in house A,B or C then the quality of this house is reduced. So when 2 zeros turn up : 1 in the 2nd house and 1 in the 7th, then we can predict that married life will be problematic. So zeros indicate quality but also intervene with timing. Zeros are important but I don't know much about it. I was trying to find a chart to illustrate delay for some event. So here it is. It's " childbirth " for a female chart. data are : female born in Brussels (Belgium) 4E20 and 50N50 on 20 january 1973 at 10h57 This gives pisces asc and Saturn in the 3th house from where he aspects houses A,B and C for children. So we can deduce that her children will come late. She married in Venus/Mercury but that's not the topic here. Her first child was born on 25 october 2001 this was then Venus/Ketu Ketu will act for Mercury, Jupiter and Venus (in navamsa) If you make the chart you will see Jupier and Venus have good points for 5th and 11th and Mercury for 11th Child was born in Venus/Rahu sign constellation and rahu is again Venus and Jupiter Normally Venus will be eager to give results in her first 1/3 but there is one zero (mars for the 2nd house) so the child is born in the 2nd 1/3 part) I hope you're following. I agree it's a bit complex but as with all things very simple once we get it ..... Best regards Margarita philippe bonin wrote: > Dear Krushna, Margarita, Ash and listmembers, > > there are a few points I don't understand. In some discussions about > delay, > I thought Jupiter was taken as a delay reducing planet but in other mails, > as it is slow moving, it is considered as a planet giving delay. I > must have > missed something, could you please help me to understand ? It's surely a > confusion of mine between different rules in different situations. > > I also don't understand the exact role of zero in SAV. It is bad, but it > seems to have an effect on marriage whatever the house in which it > falls. I > remember Krushna writing in the lessons that marriage being an important > event in life, zero in SAV will have effect on marriage. But it seems > logical to think there would be consequences on other important fields > too. > How can one predict the actual impact of zero in SAV ? > > Sorry if this has already been discussed in the past. I'm just trying to > make my mind clear on this topic. > > Best regards > > Philippe > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Dear Margarita, I just casted the chart you gave in the example. I could not find the birth details of the 2nd child. In any case I did get marriage to fall in antra of Mercury. This should be in 2nd 1/3rd sector. My reasoning is Mercury is LOD and is eager to give results so result in 1st 1/3rd sector BUT there is 1 zero so 2nd 1/3rd sector. Can you give us the wedding date so that I can verify if my reasoning is correct. Childs conception did happen in LOE for 11th house as B. It may have happened in Jan 2001 i.e. conception and at that time Mercurys antra was running.. So it fits well. 2nd childs data I did not have .. You have said Venus / Rahu i..e much before marriage... I am not following the antra... when you get a chance can you please clarify for 2nd child.. Thanks for taking time to find this chart... Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , margarita lettens <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Philippe, > In my understanding there is a difference betwxeen the delay cause by > zero SAV points and the delay through a fast or slow moving planet > Fast moving planets will tend to give theire results as soon as > possible. Here we also have to look if the planet is LOD or LOE, then he > will jump foreward. But then also we have to look at the points in the > worksheet and see according to the transit of the Sun where the event > can happen. You see, there are different factors that play in this game. > Now imagine that Sun, fast moving is going to give results because > strong significator and high points. But there are 2 zeros in the > Sarva-achtakavarga table, the the Sun wil give its results in his antar > dasa but in the 3th 1/3 part of this antar. Suppose there was only 1 > zero, the Sun would have given its result in the 2nd 1/3 of the same antar. > > Let's think about Saturn giving a result. Normally these antar periods > are longer and Saturn or a planet strongly related to Saturn (aspect, > constellation of navamsa) will tend to give results late in this antar > period. But if there are 2 zeros then the result could even be denied. > > Jupiter is also a slow moving planet. If it can reduce Saturn's delay > itself will not give results in its first antar dasa unless it is also > lord of D or E and no zero point appear in the sarva (SAV) table > > If there is a zero in a house this means when this zero falls in house > A,B or C then the quality of this house is reduced. So when 2 zeros turn > up : 1 in the 2nd house and 1 in the 7th, then we can predict that > married life will be problematic. So zeros indicate quality but also > intervene with timing. Zeros are important but I don't know much about it. > > I was trying to find a chart to illustrate delay for some event. So > here it is. It's " childbirth " for a female chart. > data are : female born in Brussels (Belgium) 4E20 and 50N50 on 20 > january 1973 at 10h57 > This gives pisces asc and Saturn in the 3th house from where he aspects > houses A,B and C for children. So we can deduce that her children will > come late. > She married in Venus/Mercury but that's not the topic here. > Her first child was born on 25 october 2001 this was then Venus/Ketu > Ketu will act for Mercury, Jupiter and Venus (in navamsa) > If you make the chart you will see Jupier and Venus have good points for > 5th and 11th and Mercury for 11th > Child was born in Venus/Rahu sign constellation and rahu is again Venus > and Jupiter > Normally Venus will be eager to give results in her first 1/3 but there > is one zero (mars for the 2nd house) so the child is born in the 2nd 1/3 > part) > > I hope you're following. I agree it's a bit complex but as with all > things very simple once we get it ..... > Best regards > Margarita > > philippe bonin wrote: > > > Dear Krushna, Margarita, Ash and listmembers, > > > > there are a few points I don't understand. In some discussions about > > delay, > > I thought Jupiter was taken as a delay reducing planet but in other mails, > > as it is slow moving, it is considered as a planet giving delay. I > > must have > > missed something, could you please help me to understand ? It's surely a > > confusion of mine between different rules in different situations. > > > > I also don't understand the exact role of zero in SAV. It is bad, but it > > seems to have an effect on marriage whatever the house in which it > > falls. I > > remember Krushna writing in the lessons that marriage being an important > > event in life, zero in SAV will have effect on marriage. But it seems > > logical to think there would be consequences on other important fields > > too. > > How can one predict the actual impact of zero in SAV ? > > > > Sorry if this has already been discussed in the past. I'm just trying to > > make my mind clear on this topic. > > > > Best regards > > > > Philippe > > > > > > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Dear Ash, If I may interupt, Saturn causes delay is right(if connected to Ascendant or 7th). Guru's aspect or presence in the 1st and 7th makes marriage take place. Saturn is called manda, literally one who is slow. No such thing about Guru. At least this my understanding. Krushnaji might like to comment. Chandrashekhar. ashsam73 [ashsam73]Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Determining 1/3 of antar dasaDear Philippe,Let me try to answer your question. I am sure Krushnaji and Margarita can correct my understandings.1) Delay causing planet is Shani. Guru is a slow moving planet. I think this part was given in the last lesson of Delay in Marriage. I am also not very clear on how to use this but its a good question. Maybe Krushnaji can give us a little more understanding on when can Guru cause delay.2) 0 point in SAV. It means that a planet is not supporting that house. Or the person may not get full happiness from that house. So for any event it will hold true not only for marriage. That email might have been in reference to the event of Marriage.Hope that helps,Cheers !!!Ash , "philippe bonin" <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote:> Dear Krushna, Margarita, Ash and listmembers,> > there are a few points I don't understand. In some discussions about delay,> I thought Jupiter was taken as a delay reducing planet but in other mails,> as it is slow moving, it is considered as a planet giving delay. I must have> missed something, could you please help me to understand ? It's surely a> confusion of mine between different rules in different situations.> > I also don't understand the exact role of zero in SAV. It is bad, but it> seems to have an effect on marriage whatever the house in which it falls. I> remember Krushna writing in the lessons that marriage being an important> event in life, zero in SAV will have effect on marriage. But it seems> logical to think there would be consequences on other important fields too.> How can one predict the actual impact of zero in SAV ?> > Sorry if this has already been discussed in the past. I'm just trying to> make my mind clear on this topic.> > Best regards> > Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Hello Chandrachekhar, OK, I appreciate your input. But don't forget that we are applying a " system " here. A system is like a game. If you play the game you follow the rules, otherwise it's useless. Now, Jupiter's aspect or presence in the 1st will deny marriage if this Jupiter has low points and is not lord of the secondary upachaya houses which we call LOE and LOE. You may walk on your head but it will not happen. Please if you have a chart that shows this happen, and you're sure of the TOB, please post it. Best regards Margarita Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote: > Dear Ash, > If I may interupt, Saturn causes delay is right(if connected to > Ascendant or 7th). Guru's aspect or presence in the 1st and 7th makes > marriage take place. Saturn is called manda, literally one who is > slow. No such thing about Guru. At least this my understanding. > Krushnaji might like to comment. > Chandrashekhar. > > > ** ashsam73 [ashsam73] > *Sent:* Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:06 PM > *To:* > *Subject:* Re: Determining 1/3 of antar > dasa > > Dear Philippe, > Let me try to answer your question. I am sure Krushnaji and > Margarita can correct my understandings. > > 1) Delay causing planet is Shani. Guru is a slow moving planet. I > think this part was given in the last lesson of Delay in Marriage. I > am also not very clear on how to use this but its a good question. > Maybe Krushnaji can give us a little more understanding on when can > Guru cause delay. > > 2) 0 point in SAV. It means that a planet is not supporting that > house. Or the person may not get full happiness from that house. So > for any event it will hold true not only for marriage. That email > might have been in reference to the event of Marriage. > > Hope that helps, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " philippe bonin " > <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > > Dear Krushna, Margarita, Ash and listmembers, > > > > there are a few points I don't understand. In some discussions > about delay, > > I thought Jupiter was taken as a delay reducing planet but in other > mails, > > as it is slow moving, it is considered as a planet giving delay. I > must have > > missed something, could you please help me to understand ? It's > surely a > > confusion of mine between different rules in different situations. > > > > I also don't understand the exact role of zero in SAV. It is bad, > but it > > seems to have an effect on marriage whatever the house in which it > falls. I > > remember Krushna writing in the lessons that marriage being an > important > > event in life, zero in SAV will have effect on marriage. But it > seems > > logical to think there would be consequences on other important > fields too. > > How can one predict the actual impact of zero in SAV ? > > > > Sorry if this has already been discussed in the past. I'm just > trying to > > make my mind clear on this topic. > > > > Best regards > > > > Philippe > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Dear Chandrashekar, As per our system Shani if it aspects House A, B and C then it delays event. Now if you notice keenly, House A,B and C of 7th house is 2nd, 7th and 11th and Shani in 5th house aspects those hence delay of 7th house matters. Please go through the following points in Lesson 30 (revised) from file section. 1) Point 1 2) Points 17 If guru and shani are malefically aspecting 7th house i.e. Guru with more bindus and Shani with More bindus i.e. more than 4 bindus then it will delay marriage. Chandrashekhar, I want to thank you for making me go through the lesson again.. I re - read the second point.... ONLY a malefic Shani in 7th house i.e Shani with less than 4 bindus can delay marriage due to its aspect, is situated in 7th house or aspects its lord can also cause delay. There are other points too.. Thanking you again.. Cheers !!! Ash , " Chandrashekhar Sharma " <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Ash, > If I may interupt, Saturn causes delay is right(if connected to Ascendant or > 7th). Guru's aspect or presence in the 1st and 7th makes marriage take > place. Saturn is called manda, literally one who is slow. No such thing > about Guru. At least this my understanding. Krushnaji might like to comment. > Chandrashekhar. > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:06 PM > > Re: Determining 1/3 of antar dasa > > > Dear Philippe, > Let me try to answer your question. I am sure Krushnaji and > Margarita can correct my understandings. > > 1) Delay causing planet is Shani. Guru is a slow moving planet. I > think this part was given in the last lesson of Delay in Marriage. I > am also not very clear on how to use this but its a good question. > Maybe Krushnaji can give us a little more understanding on when can > Guru cause delay. > > 2) 0 point in SAV. It means that a planet is not supporting that > house. Or the person may not get full happiness from that house. So > for any event it will hold true not only for marriage. That email > might have been in reference to the event of Marriage. > > Hope that helps, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " philippe bonin " > <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > > Dear Krushna, Margarita, Ash and listmembers, > > > > there are a few points I don't understand. In some discussions > about delay, > > I thought Jupiter was taken as a delay reducing planet but in other > mails, > > as it is slow moving, it is considered as a planet giving delay. I > must have > > missed something, could you please help me to understand ? It's > surely a > > confusion of mine between different rules in different situations. > > > > I also don't understand the exact role of zero in SAV. It is bad, > but it > > seems to have an effect on marriage whatever the house in which it > falls. I > > remember Krushna writing in the lessons that marriage being an > important > > event in life, zero in SAV will have effect on marriage. But it > seems > > logical to think there would be consequences on other important > fields too. > > How can one predict the actual impact of zero in SAV ? > > > > Sorry if this has already been discussed in the past. I'm just > trying to > > make my mind clear on this topic. > > > > Best regards > > > > Philippe > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Dear Ash, As you are looking for charts with past events, I send again the last Dymok exercise. I just got the right answer: 22 august 2000. How should the ashtakavarga system solve this problem? Best regards Denis Test No. 80 concerns a woman born on June 30, 1959 at 2:41 am EST at Watervliet, Michigan, 42N11, 86W16. (Ascendant 27Ta47, MC 4Aq17, Moon 4Ta12. On a certain date in the year 2000 her home in Grand Ledge, Michigan, 42N45, 84W45, was struck by lightning and destroyed in the fire that followed. Can you find that date in the year 2000? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Dear Margarita, I was responding to associating slow moving planets to delay in marriages. Strength of the planet and his house ownership would always modify the effects. The system you are using is also giving the strength of planets. Only difference is that it is a mathematical system.Again have you verified when Jupiter with less points in Lagna or 7th house des not give mariage what is the position of Saturn in that horoscope.I think for Jupiter to have less Rekhas(Points) Saturn will have to be in 7th or 10th, stastiticaly. Regards, Chandra margarita lettens [dmlettens]Monday, August 11, 2003 1:26 AM Subject: Re: Re: Determining 1/3 of antar dasaHello Chandrachekhar,OK, I appreciate your input.But don't forget that we are applying a "system" here. A system is like a game. If you play the game you follow the rules, otherwise it's useless. Now, Jupiter's aspect or presence in the 1st will deny marriage if this Jupiter has low points and is not lord of the secondary upachaya houses which we call LOE and LOE. You may walk on your head but it will not happen. Please if you have a chart that shows this happen, and you're sure of the TOB, please post it.Best regardsMargaritaChandrashekhar Sharma wrote:> Dear Ash,> If I may interupt, Saturn causes delay is right(if connected to > Ascendant or 7th). Guru's aspect or presence in the 1st and 7th makes > marriage take place. Saturn is called manda, literally one who is > slow. No such thing about Guru. At least this my understanding. > Krushnaji might like to comment.> Chandrashekhar.>> > ** ashsam73 [ashsam73]> *Sent:* Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:06 PM> *To:* > *Subject:* Re: Determining 1/3 of antar> dasa>> Dear Philippe,> Let me try to answer your question. I am sure Krushnaji and> Margarita can correct my understandings.>> 1) Delay causing planet is Shani. Guru is a slow moving planet. I> think this part was given in the last lesson of Delay in Marriage. I> am also not very clear on how to use this but its a good question. > Maybe Krushnaji can give us a little more understanding on when can> Guru cause delay.>> 2) 0 point in SAV. It means that a planet is not supporting that> house. Or the person may not get full happiness from that house. So> for any event it will hold true not only for marriage. That email> might have been in reference to the event of Marriage.>> Hope that helps,> Cheers !!!> Ash>>> , "philippe bonin"> <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote:> > Dear Krushna, Margarita, Ash and listmembers,> >> > there are a few points I don't understand. In some discussions> about delay,> > I thought Jupiter was taken as a delay reducing planet but in other> mails,> > as it is slow moving, it is considered as a planet giving delay. I> must have> > missed something, could you please help me to understand ? It's> surely a> > confusion of mine between different rules in different situations.> >> > I also don't understand the exact role of zero in SAV. It is bad,> but it> > seems to have an effect on marriage whatever the house in which it> falls. I> > remember Krushna writing in the lessons that marriage being an> important> > event in life, zero in SAV will have effect on marriage. But it> seems> > logical to think there would be consequences on other important> fields too.> > How can one predict the actual impact of zero in SAV ?> >> > Sorry if this has already been discussed in the past. I'm just> trying to> > make my mind clear on this topic.> >> > Best regards> >> > Philippe>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Dear Chandrashekhar, Sorry for my intervention. For Guru to have less bindus we need to check all planets as we are checking the SAV. If only Shani does not help Guru out of 8 points that Guru can get Guru will get 7 as Shani is not helping. So this itself is not enough. I think u will agree with that. However if you go into just BAV or points distribution of Guru for Shani then if Guru is in 4th or 10th then it will not contribute a bindu however it will also not contribute a bindus for Guru in 1,2,3,4,7,8,9,10th bhavas. However for Guru if shani is in 4th place or 10th it will help it by giving a bindu. For this we only get 1 bindus. If Guru were to have less bindus then even other planets should not be casting a bindu. If Guru is in lagna with high bindus say 7 bindus it will aspect 7th house with malefic bindus except in case where 4th or 12th lords is also Guru. But the situation is different if Guru is 6th lord. This effect will be worst if it aspects 7th hosue from lagna being 6th house.. prabhu Ram chandras ji chart where 6th lord Guru is in lagna in Exaltation.. it took away his father i.e. dristi on 9th house, took away his wife dristi on 7th house and his children were born in his absence and in short took away his children. As again as per Krushnas Ashtakvarg system if Guru were to have 7 bindus in lagna and if Shani was in 10th place WITH LESS BINDUS i..e < 4 bindus then Shani would control Guru and Guru would have to surrener its points to Such a shani. Instead if Guru were to be in lagna with 3 bindus and if Shani were to be in 4th hosue with More bindus i.e. greater than 4 then Such a Guru would become very powerful due to the fact that shani would not have to give up its points and listen to Guru. Here there is a relation between Guru and Shani and here Guru can check delay of Shani.. due to Gurus NATURAL nature however if Guru has high points and Shani has high points and the both due to Virtue of Slow moving planets can delay Marriage. I think its clear now. As per this system we also consider Slow moving planets, fast moving planets and moderately fast planets. This also Margarita has explained in a recent post on how its used even for timing of events in the proper 1/3rd sector. On the last note if Guru who is not LOD or LOE is aspecting House A,B and C itself cannot give result in its antar dasha if its the most power significaotr (row 17) in the worksheet however its samdharmi can give the result. So a strong Guru in the 7th will deny result in its antra despite being very powerful. I think it will be clear now. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Chandrashekhar Sharma " <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Margarita, > I was responding to associating slow moving planets to delay in marriages. > Strength of the planet and his house ownership would always modify the > effects. The system you are using is also giving the strength of planets. > Only difference is that it is a mathematical system.Again have you verified > when Jupiter with less points in Lagna or 7th house des not give mariage > what is the position of Saturn in that horoscope.I think for Jupiter to have > less Rekhas(Points) Saturn will have to be in 7th or 10th, stastiticaly. > Regards, > Chandra > > margarita lettens [dmlettens@s...] > Monday, August 11, 2003 1:26 AM > > Re: Re: Determining 1/3 of antar dasa > > > > Hello Chandrachekhar, > OK, I appreciate your input. > But don't forget that we are applying a " system " here. A system is like > a game. If you play the game you follow the rules, otherwise it's > useless. Now, Jupiter's aspect or presence in the 1st will deny marriage > if this Jupiter has low points and is not lord of the secondary upachaya > houses which we call LOE and LOE. You may walk on your head but it will > not happen. Please if you have a chart that shows this happen, and > you're sure of the TOB, please post it. > Best regards > Margarita > Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > If I may interupt, Saturn causes delay is right(if connected to > > Ascendant or 7th). Guru's aspect or presence in the 1st and 7th makes > > marriage take place. Saturn is called manda, literally one who is > > slow. No such thing about Guru. At least this my understanding. > > Krushnaji might like to comment. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > ** ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > > *Sent:* Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:06 PM > > *To:* > > *Subject:* Re: Determining 1/3 of antar > > dasa > > > > Dear Philippe, > > Let me try to answer your question. I am sure Krushnaji and > > Margarita can correct my understandings. > > > > 1) Delay causing planet is Shani. Guru is a slow moving planet. I > > think this part was given in the last lesson of Delay in Marriage. > I > > am also not very clear on how to use this but its a good question. > > Maybe Krushnaji can give us a little more understanding on when can > > Guru cause delay. > > > > 2) 0 point in SAV. It means that a planet is not supporting that > > house. Or the person may not get full happiness from that house. > So > > for any event it will hold true not only for marriage. That email > > might have been in reference to the event of Marriage. > > > > Hope that helps, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > , " philippe bonin " > > <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > > > Dear Krushna, Margarita, Ash and listmembers, > > > > > > there are a few points I don't understand. In some discussions > > about delay, > > > I thought Jupiter was taken as a delay reducing planet but in > other > > mails, > > > as it is slow moving, it is considered as a planet giving delay. I > > must have > > > missed something, could you please help me to understand ? It's > > surely a > > > confusion of mine between different rules in different situations. > > > > > > I also don't understand the exact role of zero in SAV. It is bad, > > but it > > > seems to have an effect on marriage whatever the house in which it > > falls. I > > > remember Krushna writing in the lessons that marriage being an > > important > > > event in life, zero in SAV will have effect on marriage. But it > > seems > > > logical to think there would be consequences on other important > > fields too. > > > How can one predict the actual impact of zero in SAV ? > > > > > > Sorry if this has already been discussed in the past. I'm just > > trying to > > > make my mind clear on this topic. > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > Philippe > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Dear Denis, You know this system. You have conducted classes on Krushnas Ashtakavarga System in France. If this is the field you like to spend your time to gain expertise please feel free to do so and its your choice. I am however not intersted in such tests or such events for the moment. Before there is any more misundertandings I had asked for charts with real life events along with some past events so that we can also see if things fit in w.r.t proper 1/3rd sector based on what I had leart from Krushnaji and was trying to practice the same and spread the knowledge and see how things fitted in. Sorry about that. Cheers !!! Ash , Labouré Denis <Laboure@W...> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > As you are looking for charts with past events, I send again the last Dymok exercise. I just got the right answer: 22 august 2000. How should the ashtakavarga system solve this problem? > > Best regards > Denis > > > > Test No. 80 concerns a woman born on June 30, 1959 at 2:41 am EST at Watervliet, Michigan, 42N11, 86W16. (Ascendant 27Ta47, MC 4Aq17, Moon 4Ta12. > > On a certain date in the year 2000 her home in Grand Ledge, Michigan, 42N45, 84W45, was struck by lightning and destroyed in the fire that followed. > > Can you find that date in the year 2000? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Dear Margarita and Ash, thank you for your comments on Jupiter and zero in SAV. I think I get things clearer now. Best regards Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Dear Ash, I think we are veering away from the original general statement about slowmoving planets causing delay in marriage in which I had interjected with my comments. What we are talking about is strength of planets and their effects. If you read my earlier post you will see that I had said that much would depend on houselordship and strength oor otherwise of the planets. I would like to know whether Jupiter will always delay(as stated) and if in any chart it is seen, then Saturn's position in that chart. Also when you mention Prabhu Ramachandra's chart Guru definitely did not delay his marriage as per Ramayana. Could you let me know why this exception if Guru invariably delays marriage when aspecting 7th as in his case. Please do not think I am questioning your knowledge or the system. I would merely like to stick to the original point on which I responded. Regards, Chandrashekhar. ashsam73 [ashsam73]Monday, August 11, 2003 3:06 AM Subject: Re: Determining 1/3 of antar dasaDear Chandrashekhar,Sorry for my intervention.For Guru to have less bindus we need to check all planets as we are checking the SAV. If only Shani does not help Guru out of 8 points that Guru can get Guru will get 7 as Shani is not helping. So this itself is not enough. I think u will agree with that.However if you go into just BAV or points distribution of Guru for Shani then if Guru is in 4th or 10th then it will not contribute a bindu however it will also not contribute a bindus for Guru in 1,2,3,4,7,8,9,10th bhavas.However for Guru if shani is in 4th place or 10th it will help it by giving a bindu.For this we only get 1 bindus. If Guru were to have less bindus then even other planets should not be casting a bindu.If Guru is in lagna with high bindus say 7 bindus it will aspect 7th house with malefic bindus except in case where 4th or 12th lords is also Guru. But the situation is different if Guru is 6th lord. This effect will be worst if it aspects 7th hosue from lagna being 6th house.. prabhu Ram chandras ji chart where 6th lord Guru is in lagna in Exaltation.. it took away his father i.e. dristi on 9th house, took away his wife dristi on 7th house and his children were born in his absence and in short took away his children.As again as per Krushnas Ashtakvarg system if Guru were to have 7 bindus in lagna and if Shani was in 10th place WITH LESS BINDUS i..e < 4 bindus then Shani would control Guru and Guru would have to surrener its points to Such a shani.Instead if Guru were to be in lagna with 3 bindus and if Shani were to be in 4th hosue with More bindus i.e. greater than 4 then Such a Guru would become very powerful due to the fact that shani would not have to give up its points and listen to Guru. Here there is a relation between Guru and Shani and here Guru can check delay of Shani.. due to Gurus NATURAL nature however if Guru has high points and Shani has high points and the both due to Virtue of Slow moving planets can delay Marriage. I think its clear now.As per this system we also consider Slow moving planets, fast moving planets and moderately fast planets. This also Margarita has explained in a recent post on how its used even for timing of events in the proper 1/3rd sector.On the last note if Guru who is not LOD or LOE is aspecting House A,B and C itself cannot give result in its antar dasha if its the most power significaotr (row 17) in the worksheet however its samdharmi can give the result.So a strong Guru in the 7th will deny result in its antra despite being very powerful. I think it will be clear now.Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash , "Chandrashekhar Sharma" <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Margarita,> I was responding to associating slow moving planets to delay in marriages.> Strength of the planet and his house ownership would always modify the> effects. The system you are using is also giving the strength of planets.> Only difference is that it is a mathematical system.Again have you verified> when Jupiter with less points in Lagna or 7th house des not give mariage> what is the position of Saturn in that horoscope.I think for Jupiter to have> less Rekhas(Points) Saturn will have to be in 7th or 10th, stastiticaly.> Regards,> Chandra> > margarita lettens [dmlettens@s...]> Monday, August 11, 2003 1:26 AM> > Re: Re: Determining 1/3 of antar dasa> > > > Hello Chandrachekhar,> OK, I appreciate your input.> But don't forget that we are applying a "system" here. A system is like> a game. If you play the game you follow the rules, otherwise it's> useless. Now, Jupiter's aspect or presence in the 1st will deny marriage> if this Jupiter has low points and is not lord of the secondary upachaya> houses which we call LOE and LOE. You may walk on your head but it will> not happen. Please if you have a chart that shows this happen, and> you're sure of the TOB, please post it.> Best regards> Margarita> Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote:> > > Dear Ash,> > If I may interupt, Saturn causes delay is right(if connected to> > Ascendant or 7th). Guru's aspect or presence in the 1st and 7th makes> > marriage take place. Saturn is called manda, literally one who is> > slow. No such thing about Guru. At least this my understanding.> > Krushnaji might like to comment.> > Chandrashekhar.> >> > > > ** ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> > *Sent:* Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:06 PM> > *To:* > > *Subject:* Re: Determining 1/3 of antar> > dasa> >> > Dear Philippe,> > Let me try to answer your question. I am sure Krushnaji and> > Margarita can correct my understandings.> >> > 1) Delay causing planet is Shani. Guru is a slow moving planet. I> > think this part was given in the last lesson of Delay in Marriage.> I> > am also not very clear on how to use this but its a good question.> > Maybe Krushnaji can give us a little more understanding on when can> > Guru cause delay.> >> > 2) 0 point in SAV. It means that a planet is not supporting that> > house. Or the person may not get full happiness from that house.> So> > for any event it will hold true not only for marriage. That email> > might have been in reference to the event of Marriage.> >> > Hope that helps,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> >> >> > , "philippe bonin"> > <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote:> > > Dear Krushna, Margarita, Ash and listmembers,> > >> > > there are a few points I don't understand. In some discussions> > about delay,> > > I thought Jupiter was taken as a delay reducing planet but in> other> > mails,> > > as it is slow moving, it is considered as a planet giving delay. I> > must have> > > missed something, could you please help me to understand ? It's> > surely a> > > confusion of mine between different rules in different situations.> > >> > > I also don't understand the exact role of zero in SAV. It is bad,> > but it> > > seems to have an effect on marriage whatever the house in which it> > falls. I> > > remember Krushna writing in the lessons that marriage being an> > important> > > event in life, zero in SAV will have effect on marriage. But it> > seems> > > logical to think there would be consequences on other important> > fields too.> > > How can one predict the actual impact of zero in SAV ?> > >> > > Sorry if this has already been discussed in the past. I'm just> > trying to> > > make my mind clear on this topic.> > >> > > Best regards> > >> > > Philippe> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Dear Chandrashekhar, Good to hear from you. Guru in prabhu ram chandraji chart did not give marriage in its antra. It will most strongly not give. Its due to fact its Aspecting 7th house. As per the rules of this system such a planet that aspects primary significator houses will not give results on their own but their samdharmis can give. So that ends one point. I had also asked you to refer to points 2 and 17 in lesson 30 (revised) and I had also mentioned that there are other points. I think that will give answer to your question. So that ends the second point. Dear Chandrashekhar ofcouse house lagna and house lordships matter and you know that and I know that. This is the most imporatant as House A,B,C will change and so will LOD and LOE. On the same token I can ask you how come Shani in the recent chart I gave on the list has Shani the 7th then how come it did not delay marriage to 27.5 years or even further and as stated ??? I said that guru due to being slow moving planet can cause delay. You have sated that Shani connected to 7th will delay... but in the last chart it did not.. so I hope u understand the point.. just by one fact CANNOT be the deciding factor. I hope you will agree to that. Let me ask you this again can Shani in 7th or connected to 7th ALWAYS delay marraige ? Can this one statement be taken as a gospel truth withouth weighing other factors.... ??? I think you will understand the essense of what I was trying to say... of Guru being virtue of being a slow moving planet and can tend to delay things... Dear Chandrashekhar, if you question my knowledge of this system you will only be helping me understand this system better If I cant answer any of your questions to my satisfaction.... I do not make any ego of such things... you can see that from my posts. I think both of us can agree to this fact that Shani connected to 7th or Ascendent IN ISOLATION will not always cause delay.. and Guru always aspecting the 7th will not always cause delay IN ISOLATION.. These single statements just cannot be the gospel truth withouth weighing other parameters..... If you still do not agree.. lets agree to disagree and keep these points in mind when doing furture research... Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Chandrashekhar Sharma " <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Ash, > I think we are veering away from the original general statement about > slowmoving planets causing delay in marriage in which I had interjected with > my comments. What we are talking about is strength of planets and their > effects. If you read my earlier post you will see that I had said that much > would depend on houselordship and strength oor otherwise of the planets. I > would like to know whether Jupiter will always delay(as stated) and if in > any chart it is seen, then Saturn's position in that chart. > Also when you mention Prabhu Ramachandra's chart Guru definitely did not > delay his marriage as per Ramayana. Could you let me know why this exception > if Guru invariably delays marriage when aspecting 7th as in his case. > Please do not think I am questioning your knowledge or the system. I would > merely like to stick to the original point on which I responded. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > Monday, August 11, 2003 3:06 AM > > Re: Determining 1/3 of antar dasa > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > Sorry for my intervention. > > For Guru to have less bindus we need to check all planets as we are > checking the SAV. If only Shani does not help Guru out of 8 points > that Guru can get Guru will get 7 as Shani is not helping. So this > itself is not enough. I think u will agree with that. > > However if you go into just BAV or points distribution of Guru for > Shani then if Guru is in 4th or 10th then it will not contribute a > bindu however it will also not contribute a bindus for Guru in > 1,2,3,4,7,8,9,10th bhavas. > > However for Guru if shani is in 4th place or 10th it will help it by > giving a bindu. > > For this we only get 1 bindus. If Guru were to have less bindus > then even other planets should not be casting a bindu. > > If Guru is in lagna with high bindus say 7 bindus it will aspect 7th > house with malefic bindus except in case where 4th or 12th lords is > also Guru. > > But the situation is different if Guru is 6th lord. This effect > will be worst if it aspects 7th hosue from lagna being 6th house.. > prabhu Ram chandras ji chart where 6th lord Guru is in lagna in > Exaltation.. it took away his father i.e. dristi on 9th house, took > away his wife dristi on 7th house and his children were born in his > absence and in short took away his children. > > As again as per Krushnas Ashtakvarg system if Guru were to have 7 > bindus in lagna and if Shani was in 10th place WITH LESS BINDUS i..e > < 4 bindus then Shani would control Guru and Guru would have to > surrener its points to Such a shani. > > Instead if Guru were to be in lagna with 3 bindus and if Shani were > to be in 4th hosue with More bindus i.e. greater than 4 then Such a > Guru would become very powerful due to the fact that shani would not > have to give up its points and listen to Guru. > > Here there is a relation between Guru and Shani and here Guru can > check delay of Shani.. due to Gurus NATURAL nature however if Guru > has high points and Shani has high points and the both due to Virtue > of Slow moving planets can delay Marriage. I think its clear now. > > As per this system we also consider Slow moving planets, fast moving > planets and moderately fast planets. This also Margarita has > explained in a recent post on how its used even for timing of events > in the proper 1/3rd sector. > > On the last note if Guru who is not LOD or LOE is aspecting House > A,B and C itself cannot give result in its antar dasha if its the > most power significaotr (row 17) in the worksheet however its > samdharmi can give the result. > > So a strong Guru in the 7th will deny result in its antra despite > being very powerful. I think it will be clear now. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , " Chandrashekhar > Sharma " <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Margarita, > > I was responding to associating slow moving planets to delay in > marriages. > > Strength of the planet and his house ownership would always modify > the > > effects. The system you are using is also giving the strength of > planets. > > Only difference is that it is a mathematical system.Again have you > verified > > when Jupiter with less points in Lagna or 7th house des not give > mariage > > what is the position of Saturn in that horoscope.I think for > Jupiter to have > > less Rekhas(Points) Saturn will have to be in 7th or 10th, > stastiticaly. > > Regards, > > Chandra > > > > margarita lettens [dmlettens@s...] > > Monday, August 11, 2003 1:26 AM > > > > Re: Re: Determining 1/3 of > antar dasa > > > > > > > > Hello Chandrachekhar, > > OK, I appreciate your input. > > But don't forget that we are applying a " system " here. A system > is like > > a game. If you play the game you follow the rules, otherwise it's > > useless. Now, Jupiter's aspect or presence in the 1st will deny > marriage > > if this Jupiter has low points and is not lord of the secondary > upachaya > > houses which we call LOE and LOE. You may walk on your head but > it will > > not happen. Please if you have a chart that shows this happen, > and > > you're sure of the TOB, please post it. > > Best regards > > Margarita > > Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > If I may interupt, Saturn causes delay is right(if connected to > > > Ascendant or 7th). Guru's aspect or presence in the 1st and > 7th makes > > > marriage take place. Saturn is called manda, literally one who > is > > > slow. No such thing about Guru. At least this my understanding. > > > Krushnaji might like to comment. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > ** ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > > > *Sent:* Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:06 PM > > > *To:* > > > *Subject:* Re: Determining 1/3 > of antar > > > dasa > > > > > > Dear Philippe, > > > Let me try to answer your question. I am sure Krushnaji > and > > > Margarita can correct my understandings. > > > > > > 1) Delay causing planet is Shani. Guru is a slow moving > planet. I > > > think this part was given in the last lesson of Delay in > Marriage. > > I > > > am also not very clear on how to use this but its a good > question. > > > Maybe Krushnaji can give us a little more understanding on > when can > > > Guru cause delay. > > > > > > 2) 0 point in SAV. It means that a planet is not > supporting that > > > house. Or the person may not get full happiness from that > house. > > So > > > for any event it will hold true not only for marriage. > That email > > > might have been in reference to the event of Marriage. > > > > > > Hope that helps, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > --- In , " philippe > bonin " > > > <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > > > > Dear Krushna, Margarita, Ash and listmembers, > > > > > > > > there are a few points I don't understand. In some > discussions > > > about delay, > > > > I thought Jupiter was taken as a delay reducing planet > but in > > other > > > mails, > > > > as it is slow moving, it is considered as a planet > giving delay. I > > > must have > > > > missed something, could you please help me to > understand ? It's > > > surely a > > > > confusion of mine between different rules in different > situations. > > > > > > > > I also don't understand the exact role of zero in SAV. > It is bad, > > > but it > > > > seems to have an effect on marriage whatever the house > in which it > > > falls. I > > > > remember Krushna writing in the lessons that marriage > being an > > > important > > > > event in life, zero in SAV will have effect on > marriage. But it > > > seems > > > > logical to think there would be consequences on other > important > > > fields too. > > > > How can one predict the actual impact of zero in SAV ? > > > > > > > > Sorry if this has already been discussed in the past. > I'm just > > > trying to > > > > make my mind clear on this topic. > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > > > Philippe > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 Dear Ash, It appears both of us are stating the same thing but from different perspectives. So there is nothing to disagree about. Regards, Chandrashekhar. ashsam73 [ashsam73]Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:29 AM Subject: Re: Determining 1/3 of antar dasaDear Chandrashekhar,Good to hear from you. Guru in prabhu ram chandraji chart did not give marriage in its antra. It will most strongly not give. Its due to fact its Aspecting 7th house. As per the rules of this system such a planet that aspects primary significator houses will not give results on their own but their samdharmis can give. So that ends one point. I had also asked you to refer to points 2 and 17 in lesson 30 (revised) and I had also mentioned that there are other points. I think that will give answer to your question. So that ends the second point.Dear Chandrashekhar ofcouse house lagna and house lordships matter and you know that and I know that. This is the most imporatant as House A,B,C will change and so will LOD and LOE. On the same token I can ask you how come Shani in the recent chart I gave on the list has Shani the 7th then how come it did not delay marriage to 27.5 years or even further and as stated ??? I said that guru due to being slow moving planet can cause delay. You have sated that Shani connected to 7th will delay... but in the last chart it did not.. so I hope u understand the point.. just by one fact CANNOT be the deciding factor. I hope you will agree to that. Let me ask you this again can Shani in 7th or connected to 7th ALWAYS delay marraige ? Can this one statement be taken as a gospel truth withouth weighing other factors.... ??? I think you will understand the essense of what I was trying to say... of Guru being virtue of being a slow moving planet and can tend to delay things... Dear Chandrashekhar, if you question my knowledge of this system you will only be helping me understand this system better If I cant answer any of your questions to my satisfaction.... I do not make any ego of such things... you can see that from my posts.I think both of us can agree to this fact that Shani connected to 7th or Ascendent IN ISOLATION will not always cause delay.. and Guru always aspecting the 7th will not always cause delay IN ISOLATION.. These single statements just cannot be the gospel truth withouth weighing other parameters.....If you still do not agree.. lets agree to disagree and keep these points in mind when doing furture research... Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash , "Chandrashekhar Sharma" <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Ash,> I think we are veering away from the original general statement about> slowmoving planets causing delay in marriage in which I had interjected with> my comments. What we are talking about is strength of planets and their> effects. If you read my earlier post you will see that I had said that much> would depend on houselordship and strength oor otherwise of the planets. I> would like to know whether Jupiter will always delay(as stated) and if in> any chart it is seen, then Saturn's position in that chart.> Also when you mention Prabhu Ramachandra's chart Guru definitely did not> delay his marriage as per Ramayana. Could you let me know why this exception> if Guru invariably delays marriage when aspecting 7th as in his case.> Please do not think I am questioning your knowledge or the system. I would> merely like to stick to the original point on which I responded.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> Monday, August 11, 2003 3:06 AM> > Re: Determining 1/3 of antar dasa> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,> Sorry for my intervention.> > For Guru to have less bindus we need to check all planets as we are> checking the SAV. If only Shani does not help Guru out of 8 points> that Guru can get Guru will get 7 as Shani is not helping. So this> itself is not enough. I think u will agree with that.> > However if you go into just BAV or points distribution of Guru for> Shani then if Guru is in 4th or 10th then it will not contribute a> bindu however it will also not contribute a bindus for Guru in> 1,2,3,4,7,8,9,10th bhavas.> > However for Guru if shani is in 4th place or 10th it will help it by> giving a bindu.> > For this we only get 1 bindus. If Guru were to have less bindus> then even other planets should not be casting a bindu.> > If Guru is in lagna with high bindus say 7 bindus it will aspect 7th> house with malefic bindus except in case where 4th or 12th lords is> also Guru.> > But the situation is different if Guru is 6th lord. This effect> will be worst if it aspects 7th hosue from lagna being 6th house..> prabhu Ram chandras ji chart where 6th lord Guru is in lagna in> Exaltation.. it took away his father i.e. dristi on 9th house, took> away his wife dristi on 7th house and his children were born in his> absence and in short took away his children.> > As again as per Krushnas Ashtakvarg system if Guru were to have 7> bindus in lagna and if Shani was in 10th place WITH LESS BINDUS i..e> < 4 bindus then Shani would control Guru and Guru would have to> surrener its points to Such a shani.> > Instead if Guru were to be in lagna with 3 bindus and if Shani were> to be in 4th hosue with More bindus i.e. greater than 4 then Such a> Guru would become very powerful due to the fact that shani would not> have to give up its points and listen to Guru.> > Here there is a relation between Guru and Shani and here Guru can> check delay of Shani.. due to Gurus NATURAL nature however if Guru> has high points and Shani has high points and the both due to Virtue> of Slow moving planets can delay Marriage. I think its clear now.> > As per this system we also consider Slow moving planets, fast moving> planets and moderately fast planets. This also Margarita has> explained in a recent post on how its used even for timing of events> in the proper 1/3rd sector.> > On the last note if Guru who is not LOD or LOE is aspecting House> A,B and C itself cannot give result in its antar dasha if its the> most power significaotr (row 17) in the worksheet however its> samdharmi can give the result.> > So a strong Guru in the 7th will deny result in its antra despite> being very powerful. I think it will be clear now.> > Thanking you,> Cheers !!!> Ash> > > > , "Chandrashekhar> Sharma" <boxdel> wrote:> > Dear Margarita,> > I was responding to associating slow moving planets to delay in> marriages.> > Strength of the planet and his house ownership would always modify> the> > effects. The system you are using is also giving the strength of> planets.> > Only difference is that it is a mathematical system.Again have you> verified> > when Jupiter with less points in Lagna or 7th house des not give> mariage> > what is the position of Saturn in that horoscope.I think for> Jupiter to have> > less Rekhas(Points) Saturn will have to be in 7th or 10th,> stastiticaly.> > Regards,> > Chandra> > > > margarita lettens [dmlettens@s...]> > Monday, August 11, 2003 1:26 AM> > > > Re: Re: Determining 1/3 of> antar dasa> >> >> >> > Hello Chandrachekhar,> > OK, I appreciate your input.> > But don't forget that we are applying a "system" here. A system> is like> > a game. If you play the game you follow the rules, otherwise it's> > useless. Now, Jupiter's aspect or presence in the 1st will deny> marriage> > if this Jupiter has low points and is not lord of the secondary> upachaya> > houses which we call LOE and LOE. You may walk on your head but> it will> > not happen. Please if you have a chart that shows this happen,> and> > you're sure of the TOB, please post it.> > Best regards> > Margarita> > Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote:> >> > > Dear Ash,> > > If I may interupt, Saturn causes delay is right(if connected to> > > Ascendant or 7th). Guru's aspect or presence in the 1st and> 7th makes> > > marriage take place. Saturn is called manda, literally one who> is> > > slow. No such thing about Guru. At least this my understanding.> > > Krushnaji might like to comment.> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > > > > > ** ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> > > *Sent:* Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:06 PM> > > *To:* > > > *Subject:* Re: Determining 1/3> of antar> > > dasa> > >> > > Dear Philippe,> > > Let me try to answer your question. I am sure Krushnaji> and> > > Margarita can correct my understandings.> > >> > > 1) Delay causing planet is Shani. Guru is a slow moving> planet. I> > > think this part was given in the last lesson of Delay in> Marriage.> > I> > > am also not very clear on how to use this but its a good> question.> > > Maybe Krushnaji can give us a little more understanding on> when can> > > Guru cause delay.> > >> > > 2) 0 point in SAV. It means that a planet is not> supporting that> > > house. Or the person may not get full happiness from that> house.> > So> > > for any event it will hold true not only for marriage.> That email> > > might have been in reference to the event of Marriage.> > >> > > Hope that helps,> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash> > >> > >> > > , "philippe> bonin"> > > <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote:> > > > Dear Krushna, Margarita, Ash and listmembers,> > > >> > > > there are a few points I don't understand. In some> discussions> > > about delay,> > > > I thought Jupiter was taken as a delay reducing planet> but in> > other> > > mails,> > > > as it is slow moving, it is considered as a planet> giving delay. I> > > must have> > > > missed something, could you please help me to> understand ? It's> > > surely a> > > > confusion of mine between different rules in different> situations.> > > >> > > > I also don't understand the exact role of zero in SAV.> It is bad,> > > but it> > > > seems to have an effect on marriage whatever the house> in which it> > > falls. I> > > > remember Krushna writing in the lessons that marriage> being an> > > important> > > > event in life, zero in SAV will have effect on> marriage. But it> > > seems> > > > logical to think there would be consequences on other> important> > > fields too.> > > > How can one predict the actual impact of zero in SAV ?> > > >> > > > Sorry if this has already been discussed in the past.> I'm just> > > trying to> > > > make my mind clear on this topic.> > > >> > > > Best regards> > > >> > > > Philippe> > >> > >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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