Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Dear Ash, here are three charts with particularities about professional life. I had already given the first one to illustrate 4/10 relationships. 1- Male native May 19th 1967, Boulogne-Billancourt, France at 8:47 pm 48°50 N 2° 15 E 2- Male native October 24th 1956, Paris, France at 11:15 am 3- Male native November 10th 1967, Boulogne-Billancourt, France at 8:30 pm I'll add some comments later as I already know the charts. Best regards Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Dear Philippe, I was trying to cast this chart. What is the time zone. Is it 2 or 1 hours East of GMT. I made some blunders when working on charts given by Deepak.. so can you and other members just quickly cast these charts and also give the ascdendents and the planet degrees and Navamsa. That we can use to verify or else we make mistakes ... Sorry about that.. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash ps : For the first chart I got 28Li52 as ascendent and Navamsa rising with that birth time as Gemini. This is for the chart of Male native May 19th 1967, Boulogne-Billancourt, France at 8:47 pm 48°50 N 2° 15 E , " philippe bonin " <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > here are three charts with particularities about professional life. I had > already given the first one to illustrate 4/10 relationships. > > 1- Male native May 19th 1967, Boulogne-Billancourt, France at 8:47 pm > 48°50 N 2° 15 E > > 2- Male native October 24th 1956, Paris, France at 11:15 am > > 3- Male native November 10th 1967, Boulogne-Billancourt, France at 8:30 pm > > I'll add some comments later as I already know the charts. > > Best regards > > Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 hello Ash, Phileppe, I get the following. I think all 3 charts are zone 1 TOB 19 may 1967 gives asc 9°58 scorpio TOB 24 october 1956 gives asc 20°07 scorpio TOB 10 november 1967 gives 19°29 gemini Philippe, could you check if this is right please Best regards Margarita ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Philippe, > I was trying to cast this chart. What is the time zone. Is it 2 or > 1 hours East of GMT. > > I made some blunders when working on charts given by Deepak.. so can > you and other members just quickly cast these charts and also give > the ascdendents and the planet degrees and Navamsa. That we can use > to verify or else we make mistakes ... > > Sorry about that.. > Thanks, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > ps : For the first chart I got 28Li52 as ascendent and Navamsa rising > with that birth time as Gemini. This is for the chart of > Male native May 19th 1967, Boulogne-Billancourt, France at 8:47 pm > 48°50 N 2° 15 E > > > > , " philippe bonin " > <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > here are three charts with particularities about professional life. > I had > > already given the first one to illustrate 4/10 relationships. > > > > 1- Male native May 19th 1967, Boulogne-Billancourt, France at 8:47 > pm > > 48°50 N 2° 15 E > > > > 2- Male native October 24th 1956, Paris, France at 11:15 am > > > > 3- Male native November 10th 1967, Boulogne-Billancourt, France at > 8:30 pm > > > > I'll add some comments later as I already know the charts. > > > > Best regards > > > > Philippe > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Dear Krushnaji, Margarita, Philippe, and List members, I am going to use the data that Margarita has verified for the first chart. Philippe, you can clarify the same. 1) This chart defnintely has marritial problems. Possible Marriage in Antra of Venus 1995/10 thru 1998/10 in the 1st 1/3rd sector. i.e 1995/10 thru 1996/10. 2) Possible break up during 2001/03 thru 2002/03. i.e. in Mars antra. Reasons Venus is in Aadra. Distance from Venus to Sun is very close to 43 degrees at 42.6 though not over the threshold. Philippe, can you state the facts. For Job : First Job possible in Shanis antra. i.e. 1986/12 thru 1989/04. Shani is natural samdharmi to Venus who has highest points for 6th house. 2nd possibility is that of Guru who is again samdharmi to Guru due to the virtue of it being in Navamsa of Guru. But at the time Gurus antra was running the native might have been 19 years thru to 21 years. Hence I chose Shani antra. Shani is natural samdharmi to Venus and Shani is not placed in 1:7 to Venus so they still are natural samdharmis. Shani is also LOD for 6th house matters. Now next antra is that of Mercury now Mercury has 14 points for 5th house so native may continue with the job and also may have got opportinity to save money in that antra as points of 11th = 28 and points of 12th = 20 so more income than expense for Mercury antra. Overall Mercury also has high points for all houses so overall happiness must be experienced. This is from 1992/03 thru 1994/09. Then came Ketu's antra. Ketu represents Venus and Mars. Here Venus has highest points for 5th house and Mars the lowest points. So this can be a mixed period wherein the native may have got very good achievement but also might have faced changes in job. Can you confirm till here. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , margarita lettens <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > > hello Ash, Phileppe, > I get the following. I think all 3 charts are zone 1 > TOB 19 may 1967 gives asc 9°58 scorpio > TOB 24 october 1956 gives asc 20°07 scorpio > TOB 10 november 1967 gives 19°29 gemini > Philippe, could you check if this is right please > Best regards > Margarita > ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Philippe, > > I was trying to cast this chart. What is the time zone. Is it 2 or > > 1 hours East of GMT. > > > > I made some blunders when working on charts given by Deepak.. so can > > you and other members just quickly cast these charts and also give > > the ascdendents and the planet degrees and Navamsa. That we can use > > to verify or else we make mistakes ... > > > > Sorry about that.. > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > ps : For the first chart I got 28Li52 as ascendent and Navamsa rising > > with that birth time as Gemini. This is for the chart of > > Male native May 19th 1967, Boulogne-Billancourt, France at 8:47 pm > > 48°50 N 2° 15 E > > > > > > > > , " philippe bonin " > > <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > here are three charts with particularities about professional life. > > I had > > > already given the first one to illustrate 4/10 relationships. > > > > > > 1- Male native May 19th 1967, Boulogne-Billancourt, France at 8:47 > > pm > > > 48°50 N 2° 15 E > > > > > > 2- Male native October 24th 1956, Paris, France at 11:15 am > > > > > > 3- Male native November 10th 1967, Boulogne-Billancourt, France at > > 8:30 pm > > > > > > I'll add some comments later as I already know the charts. > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > Philippe > > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 dear philippe-margarita for male native 1967-BBF-1-THE ASC seems to be scorpio-@ 10 22.the first job chance might be after 22 10 1989 to 28 08 1992. must hv done well upto rahu/ mercury, 16 03 1995. after that he must hv changed plenty of jobs, suddenly--upto 16 09 2002. urenus present in the 10th house, is responcible for sudden changes either favourable or unfavourable. sudden turn -change. at present it is exactly opposite to the 10th house.( gochar-presently urenus in aquarius). will try to study chart in details. meantime this is the impression. regards, deepak. --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Krushnaji, Margarita, Philippe, and List > members, > > I am going to use the data that Margarita has > verified for the first > chart. Philippe, you can clarify the same. > > 1) This chart defnintely has marritial problems. > Possible Marriage > in Antra of Venus 1995/10 thru 1998/10 in the 1st > 1/3rd sector. i.e > 1995/10 thru 1996/10. > > 2) Possible break up during 2001/03 thru 2002/03. > i.e. in Mars antra. > > Reasons Venus is in Aadra. Distance from Venus to > Sun is very close > to 43 degrees at 42.6 though not over the threshold. > > > Philippe, can you state the facts. > > For Job : > > First Job possible in Shanis antra. i.e. 1986/12 > thru 1989/04. Shani > is natural samdharmi to Venus who has highest points > for 6th house. > 2nd possibility is that of Guru who is again > samdharmi to Guru due to > the virtue of it being in Navamsa of Guru. But at > the time Gurus > antra was running the native might have been 19 > years thru to 21 > years. Hence I chose Shani antra. Shani is natural > samdharmi to > Venus and Shani is not placed in 1:7 to Venus so > they still are > natural samdharmis. Shani is also LOD for 6th house > matters. > > Now next antra is that of Mercury now Mercury has 14 > points for 5th > house so native may continue with the job and also > may have got > opportinity to save money in that antra as points of > 11th = 28 and > points of 12th = 20 so more income than expense for > Mercury antra. > > Overall Mercury also has high points for all houses > so overall > happiness must be experienced. This is from 1992/03 > thru 1994/09. > > Then came Ketu's antra. Ketu represents Venus and > Mars. Here Venus > has highest points for 5th house and Mars the lowest > points. > So this can be a mixed period wherein the native may > have got very > good achievement but also might have faced changes > in job. > > Can you confirm till here. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > , > margarita lettens > <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > > > > hello Ash, Phileppe, > > I get the following. I think all 3 charts are zone > 1 > > TOB 19 may 1967 gives asc 9°58 scorpio > > TOB 24 october 1956 gives asc 20°07 scorpio > > TOB 10 november 1967 gives 19°29 gemini > > Philippe, could you check if this is right please > > Best regards > > Margarita > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Philippe, > > > I was trying to cast this chart. What is the > time zone. Is it 2 > or > > > 1 hours East of GMT. > > > > > > I made some blunders when working on charts > given by Deepak.. so > can > > > you and other members just quickly cast these > charts and also give > > > the ascdendents and the planet degrees and > Navamsa. That we can > use > > > to verify or else we make mistakes ... > > > > > > Sorry about that.. > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > ps : For the first chart I got 28Li52 as > ascendent and Navamsa > rising > > > with that birth time as Gemini. This is for the > chart of > > > Male native May 19th 1967, Boulogne-Billancourt, > France at 8:47 pm > > > 48°50 N 2° 15 E > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " philippe bonin " > > > <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > here are three charts with particularities > about professional > life. > > > I had > > > > already given the first one to illustrate 4/10 > relationships. > > > > > > > > 1- Male native May 19th 1967, > Boulogne-Billancourt, France at > 8:47 > > > pm > > > > 48°50 N 2° 15 E > > > > > > > > 2- Male native October 24th 1956, Paris, > France at 11:15 am > > > > > > > > 3- Male native November 10th 1967, > Boulogne-Billancourt, France > at > > > 8:30 pm > > > > > > > > I'll add some comments later as I already know > the charts. > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > > > Philippe > > > > > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 Dear Margarita ,Ash and Deepak, the data given by Margarita about the three charts are correct. Sorry, I was a bit in a hurry and didn't give lagna and Moon positions. Ash and Deepak, about the first chart (May 19th 1967, Boulogne-Billancourt) here are a few facts: Ash, you stated there are marital problems, you're right in a sense. The native has never been much interested in marriage and has never married nor lived with someone up to now. In the chart, besides Venus being in Ardra, we can notice that Saturn is in 5th house thus aspecting A, B, and C. Saturn is aspected by Jupiter but I don't think this shortens the delay because Jupiter's aspect has a -7 value. Marriage in Rahu/Venus makes sense because Venus is LOE and Rahu is samdharmi to Venus so the main period is also OK. But there was no marriage nor long lasting relationship. I guess it is because Venus is in 4/10 relationship with 6th lord (Mars) having less points than Mars. I remember Krushna saying in a lesson that in such a case, the result won't be experienced. Now for job, the native had very long studies: engineering school, phD preparation in astrophysics. His studies were interrupted in 1991/1992 because of military service (from August 1991 to September 1992). During his PhD he received a salary. Resigned from the PhD in 1996 (conflict with his director). One more year study in 1996/1997. Since then, small jobs as a teacher for private courses. Looking at the chart, resignation occured in Rahu/Venus. It may seem strange because he was appreciated in his laboratory and Venus is LOD for 10th house (career). And it has high points for 6th house. But Venus is in 4/10 relationship with 9th lord (12th from X) with less points. In navamsa it is also aspected by Jupiter fifth lord (12th from VI). But Venus being also samdharmi to Saturn LOD for B=VI he got a job as a teacher in the same antra. At least this is the way I see it but all comments and corrections are welcome. Best regards Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 Hello Philippe, I think you are right about amrriage and the 4/10 relationship between Venus and 6th lord As for job, it's interesting. I haven't focused on job very much but what you say makes sense. I'll have to study more on this topic. Good to have posted the charts; it's a good exercice I also noted the following : Points in the 3th and 6th are average so he doesn't speak up or defends his opinions openly; Points in the 10th are low so not good for recognition Thansks and best regrds Margarita philippe bonin wrote: >Dear Margarita ,Ash and Deepak, > >the data given by Margarita about the three charts are correct. Sorry, I was >a bit in a hurry and didn't give lagna and Moon positions. > >Ash and Deepak, about the first chart (May 19th 1967, Boulogne-Billancourt) >here are a few facts: > >Ash, you stated there are marital problems, you're right in a sense. The >native has never been much interested in marriage and has never married nor >lived with someone up to now. In the chart, besides Venus being in Ardra, we >can notice that Saturn is in 5th house thus aspecting A, B, and C. Saturn is >aspected by Jupiter but I don't think this shortens the delay because >Jupiter's aspect has a -7 value. Marriage in Rahu/Venus makes sense because >Venus is LOE and Rahu is samdharmi to Venus so the main period is also OK. >But there was no marriage nor long lasting relationship. I guess it is >because Venus is in 4/10 relationship with 6th lord (Mars) having less >points than Mars. I remember Krushna saying in a lesson that in such a case, >the result won't be experienced. > >Now for job, the native had very long studies: engineering school, phD >preparation in astrophysics. His studies were interrupted in 1991/1992 >because of military service (from August 1991 to September 1992). During his >PhD he received a salary. Resigned from the PhD in 1996 (conflict with his >director). One more year study in 1996/1997. Since then, small jobs as a >teacher for private courses. >Looking at the chart, resignation occured in Rahu/Venus. It may seem strange >because he was appreciated in his laboratory and Venus is LOD for 10th house >(career). And it has high points for 6th house. But Venus is in 4/10 >relationship with 9th lord (12th from X) with less points. In navamsa it is >also aspected by Jupiter fifth lord (12th from VI). But Venus being also >samdharmi to Saturn LOD for B=VI he got a job as a teacher in the same >antra. At least this is the way I see it but all comments and corrections >are welcome. > >Best regards > >Philippe > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 Dear Margarita, Philippe, Deepak, Woderful analysis Philippe. I was going through the chart again. I shall break down the events and we can study each one. Marritial Problems : No Marriage or no long lasting affair. Reason : Venus in Aadra. NK Venus is spoilt due to 4:10 with 6th lord Mars, Venus again is spoilt due to its placement in Aadra. Such a venus gets apparent points from Moon and Mars who is 6th lord. So its strength in the chart is apparent. My addition to this as you have correctly pointed out, that we can see from the points that Venus is strong BUT thats apparent strength. This reminds me. Philippe and Margarita do you know that question we had asked Krushnaji on the list w.r.t. WHY DOUBLE POINTS HAVE TO BE DELETED FOR 6TH LORD ? I had asked that quesetion and Krushnaji had explained this. This is what I understood. 6th lord when its giving its points then its 12th from 7th house for Marriage matters. We need to delete 1 set of points i.e say in this case for Venus has become strong due to 6th lord then we delete the Points 1st time then we get Strength of Venus without Mars period. NOW WE NEED TO DELETE 2ND TIME TO GET THE ACTUAL STRENGTH OF VENUS. Krushnaji had explained to me with an analogy. Say there are 5 people in a group and one person is a leader. The other 4 are supporting it. Out of the 4 persons supporting the leader one fella is a person with evil intent (6th lord). So his Vote is just aparent. Hes falsely supporting the leader just to show his support (if there is a tie then this chap can quicky change sides so hes like the guy from the other side falsely supproting the chief). So how if someone ask.. what really is the strength of YOUR LEADER. On the Surface we can see that the leader has 4 votes. That we can see from the points from the worksheet IF ITS GOT POINTS ALSO FROM 6TH LORD. (like venus in this case). BUT QUESTION IS.. WHAT IS THE REAL STRENGTH OF THIS LEADER. To that we can say that .. hmm 1 chap is a bogus and bologny.. so lets take HIM OFF, SO THE LEADER WILL DEPUTE 1 MORE VOTE PERSON TO KICK HIM OFF. SO NOW HOW MANY " REAL SUPPORTERS ARE LEFT " ? Total Votes : 5 Leader : 1 Total left to Vote : 4 Total Bogus fella : 1 Total deputed to kick him out :1 How many left : 2 (1 is kicked out by a leader deputing him so we take 2 people off). That is why we TAKE TWICE THE POINTS OFF to get the REAL STRENGTH. So lets take the case of Venus here. Its got points from Mars. So take the points of Mars out 2 times to get his real strengh of Venus. Such a venus is still spoilt due to other things and being NK may not give happiness or long lasting relationship. However you may be right such a spoilt Venus may not give marriage.... ??? OH MOST IMPORANT THING ALSO IS THAT VENUS HERE IS VERY IMPORTANT AS ITS THE 7TH LORD FOR MARRIAGE AND LOE ... so it may deny it ??? And come to think of it such a spoilt venus would REVERT things during its antra... like Marriage.. however I would like to hear others view on this.. Lets Tabulate for Studies : Length of Studies : I did not know how to see that. Here maybe Krushnaji can say how to judge how long will a person study.. ?? Cause job will depend on it as " generally " atleast in India not a lot of people can earn as well as study however in the west this is possible and infact can also be a way of life as education is very expensive...??? but in general how to decide on is the edcuation going to go on til Phd, or Masters etc... Philippe, break in education is seen quite well from Shanis points .. for 5th house.. however for 9th house (if post graduate its 14 points) so a little confusion here... can you state if his undergrad or post grad degree was interupted due to millitiary service ??? His shanis antra has weak points for all houses and this period was from 1989/04 to 1992/03 so this could be a struggle period and also its Natural Samdharmi to a Spoilt Venus so itself will also act funny. I am getting Lords of 10th from lagna, sun and moon in Navamsa of Shani, Guru and Venus... does that indicate teaching profession ???? I do not know for sure. Hope Krushnaji has time to look at this aspect and guide us. However there is involvement of Guru .. so could that mean teaching .... I probably could not have come to that conclusion.... another thing to learn... Venus here is breaking things... I think because its spoilt so where ever his is NK or FK I think such things he will tend to spoil so 5th house and 12th house.. its lord of 7th house and 12th house again. Here if we use the 4:10 principle as you have said.. Venus is in 8th house with 3 bindus then it will OPPOSE 5th house matters i.e. could oppose Authority as 5th house is karak for 10th house ... ??? Even Shani is there so it will oppose Shani i.e. 8th and 9th house for which Shani is karaka so it will oppose 8th and 9th house matters... ?? Since Shani is also with 2 bindus then it will Control Shani as samdharmi but Venus will Oppose it in its antra. I hope Margarita, Philippe and Krushnaji go through what I have written and correct me.... Still lots to learn in this aspect.. but its coming together slowly but surely Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " philippe bonin " <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > > Dear Margarita ,Ash and Deepak, > > the data given by Margarita about the three charts are correct. Sorry, I was > a bit in a hurry and didn't give lagna and Moon positions. > > Ash and Deepak, about the first chart (May 19th 1967, Boulogne- Billancourt) > here are a few facts: > > Ash, you stated there are marital problems, you're right in a sense. The > native has never been much interested in marriage and has never married nor > lived with someone up to now. In the chart, besides Venus being in Ardra, we > can notice that Saturn is in 5th house thus aspecting A, B, and C. Saturn is > aspected by Jupiter but I don't think this shortens the delay because > Jupiter's aspect has a -7 value. Marriage in Rahu/Venus makes sense because > Venus is LOE and Rahu is samdharmi to Venus so the main period is also OK. > But there was no marriage nor long lasting relationship. I guess it is > because Venus is in 4/10 relationship with 6th lord (Mars) having less > points than Mars. I remember Krushna saying in a lesson that in such a case, > the result won't be experienced. > > Now for job, the native had very long studies: engineering school, phD > preparation in astrophysics. His studies were interrupted in 1991/1992 > because of military service (from August 1991 to September 1992). During his > PhD he received a salary. Resigned from the PhD in 1996 (conflict with his > director). One more year study in 1996/1997. Since then, small jobs as a > teacher for private courses. > Looking at the chart, resignation occured in Rahu/Venus. It may seem strange > because he was appreciated in his laboratory and Venus is LOD for 10th house > (career). And it has high points for 6th house. But Venus is in 4/10 > relationship with 9th lord (12th from X) with less points. In navamsa it is > also aspected by Jupiter fifth lord (12th from VI). But Venus being also > samdharmi to Saturn LOD for B=VI he got a job as a teacher in the same > antra. At least this is the way I see it but all comments and corrections > are welcome. > > Best regards > > Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 dear philippe,ash and margarita, you may consider following planetory aspects in the chart 19- 05--1967--. 1) mars-is the ascendent lord and also of 6th house- located in enemy house. 2)venus and mars are in square. venus and shani are in square. 3)shani is aspecting-7th house,sun, mercury (moon rashi-lord) and mars.(also the 2nd house ) shani and mars in opposition. 4)mars is aspecting 2nd, 5th, and 6th house. 5) mars is RETRO at birth time 6) lord of 9th in 7th house,7th lord in 8th, and 8th lord in 7th house. regards, deepak. deepak. --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Margarita, Philippe, Deepak, > > Woderful analysis Philippe. > > I was going through the chart again. I shall break > down the events > and we can study each one. > > Marritial Problems : No Marriage or no long lasting > affair. > > Reason : Venus in Aadra. NK Venus is spoilt due to > 4:10 with 6th > lord Mars, Venus again is spoilt due to its > placement in Aadra. Such > a venus gets apparent points from Moon and Mars who > is 6th lord. So > its strength in the chart is apparent. > > My addition to this as you have correctly pointed > out, that we can > see from the points that Venus is strong BUT thats > apparent > strength. > > This reminds me. Philippe and Margarita do you know > that question we > had asked Krushnaji on the list w.r.t. > > WHY DOUBLE POINTS HAVE TO BE DELETED FOR 6TH LORD ? > I had asked that quesetion and Krushnaji had > explained this. This is > what I understood. > > 6th lord when its giving its points then its 12th > from 7th house for > Marriage matters. > > We need to delete 1 set of points i.e say in this > case for Venus has > become strong due to 6th lord then we delete the > Points 1st time then > we get Strength of Venus without Mars period. NOW > WE NEED TO DELETE > 2ND TIME TO GET THE ACTUAL STRENGTH OF VENUS. > > Krushnaji had explained to me with an analogy. > > Say there are 5 people in a group and one person is > a leader. The > other 4 are supporting it. Out of the 4 persons > supporting the > leader one fella is a person with evil intent (6th > lord). So his > Vote is just aparent. Hes falsely supporting the > leader just to show > his support (if there is a tie then this chap can > quicky change sides > so hes like the guy from the other side falsely > supproting the > chief). > > So how if someone ask.. what really is the strength > of YOUR LEADER. > > On the Surface we can see that the leader has 4 > votes. That we can > see from the points from the worksheet IF ITS GOT > POINTS ALSO FROM > 6TH LORD. (like venus in this case). > > BUT QUESTION IS.. WHAT IS THE REAL STRENGTH OF THIS > LEADER. > > To that we can say that .. hmm 1 chap is a bogus and > bologny.. so > lets take HIM OFF, SO THE LEADER WILL DEPUTE 1 MORE > VOTE PERSON TO > KICK HIM OFF. SO NOW HOW MANY " REAL SUPPORTERS ARE > LEFT " ? > > Total Votes : 5 > Leader : 1 > Total left to Vote : 4 > Total Bogus fella : 1 > Total deputed to kick him out :1 > > How many left : 2 (1 is kicked out by a leader > deputing him so we > take 2 people off). > > That is why we TAKE TWICE THE POINTS OFF to get the > REAL STRENGTH. > > > So lets take the case of Venus here. Its got points > from Mars. So > take the points of Mars out 2 times to get his real > strengh of Venus. > > Such a venus is still spoilt due to other things and > being NK may not > give happiness or long lasting relationship. > However you may be > right such a spoilt Venus may not give marriage.... > ??? OH MOST > IMPORANT THING ALSO IS THAT VENUS HERE IS VERY > IMPORTANT AS ITS THE > 7TH LORD FOR MARRIAGE AND LOE ... so it may deny it > ??? > > And come to think of it such a spoilt venus would > REVERT things > during its antra... like Marriage.. however I would > like to hear > others view on this.. > > Lets Tabulate for Studies : > > Length of Studies : I did not know how to see that. > Here maybe > Krushnaji can say how to judge how long will a > person study.. ?? > Cause job will depend on it as " generally " atleast > in India not a lot > of people can earn as well as study however in the > west this is > possible and infact can also be a way of life as > education is very > expensive...??? but in general how to decide on is > the edcuation > going to go on til Phd, or Masters etc... > > Philippe, break in education is seen quite well from > Shanis points .. > for 5th house.. however for 9th house (if post > graduate its 14 > points) so a little confusion here... can you state > if his undergrad > or post grad degree was interupted due to millitiary > service ??? His > shanis antra has weak points for all houses and this > period was from > 1989/04 to 1992/03 so this could be a struggle > period and also its > Natural Samdharmi to a Spoilt Venus so itself will > also act funny. > > I am getting Lords of 10th from lagna, sun and moon > in Navamsa of > Shani, Guru and Venus... does that indicate teaching > profession ???? > I do not know for sure. Hope Krushnaji has time to > look at this > aspect and guide us. However there is involvement > of Guru .. so > could that mean teaching .... I probably could not > have come to that > conclusion.... another thing to learn... > > Venus here is breaking things... I think because its > spoilt so where > ever his is NK or FK I think such things he will > tend to spoil so 5th > house and 12th house.. its lord of 7th house and > 12th house again. > > Here if we use the 4:10 principle as you have said.. > Venus is in 8th > house with 3 bindus then it will OPPOSE 5th house > matters i.e. could > oppose Authority as 5th house is karak for 10th > house ... ??? > > Even Shani is there so it will oppose Shani i.e. 8th > and 9th house > for which Shani is karaka so it will oppose 8th and > 9th house > matters... ?? > > Since Shani is also with 2 bindus then it will > Control Shani as > samdharmi but Venus will Oppose it in its antra. > > I hope Margarita, Philippe and Krushnaji go through > what I have > written and correct me.... > > Still lots to learn in this aspect.. but its coming > together slowly > but surely > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 Thank you Deepak, very interesting. Could you say how these aspects intervene with the marriage of the native or the job , please Best regards Margarita Deepak Chipalkatti wrote: > dear philippe,ash and margarita, > you may consider following planetory aspects in the > chart 19- 05--1967--. > 1) mars-is the ascendent lord and also of 6th house- > located in enemy house. > 2)venus and mars are in square. > venus and shani are in square. > 3)shani is aspecting-7th house,sun, mercury (moon > rashi-lord) and mars.(also the 2nd house ) shani and > mars in opposition. > 4)mars is aspecting 2nd, 5th, and 6th house. > 5) mars is RETRO at birth time > 6) lord of 9th in 7th house,7th lord in 8th, and 8th > lord in 7th house. > regards, > deepak. > deepak. > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Margarita, Philippe, Deepak, > > > > Woderful analysis Philippe. > > > > I was going through the chart again. I shall break > > down the events > > and we can study each one. > > > > Marritial Problems : No Marriage or no long lasting > > affair. > > > > Reason : Venus in Aadra. NK Venus is spoilt due to > > 4:10 with 6th > > lord Mars, Venus again is spoilt due to its > > placement in Aadra. Such > > a venus gets apparent points from Moon and Mars who > > is 6th lord. So > > its strength in the chart is apparent. > > > > My addition to this as you have correctly pointed > > out, that we can > > see from the points that Venus is strong BUT thats > > apparent > > strength. > > > > This reminds me. Philippe and Margarita do you know > > that question we > > had asked Krushnaji on the list w.r.t. > > > > WHY DOUBLE POINTS HAVE TO BE DELETED FOR 6TH LORD ? > > I had asked that quesetion and Krushnaji had > > explained this. This is > > what I understood. > > > > 6th lord when its giving its points then its 12th > > from 7th house for > > Marriage matters. > > > > We need to delete 1 set of points i.e say in this > > case for Venus has > > become strong due to 6th lord then we delete the > > Points 1st time then > > we get Strength of Venus without Mars period. NOW > > WE NEED TO DELETE > > 2ND TIME TO GET THE ACTUAL STRENGTH OF VENUS. > > > > Krushnaji had explained to me with an analogy. > > > > Say there are 5 people in a group and one person is > > a leader. The > > other 4 are supporting it. Out of the 4 persons > > supporting the > > leader one fella is a person with evil intent (6th > > lord). So his > > Vote is just aparent. Hes falsely supporting the > > leader just to show > > his support (if there is a tie then this chap can > > quicky change sides > > so hes like the guy from the other side falsely > > supproting the > > chief). > > > > So how if someone ask.. what really is the strength > > of YOUR LEADER. > > > > On the Surface we can see that the leader has 4 > > votes. That we can > > see from the points from the worksheet IF ITS GOT > > POINTS ALSO FROM > > 6TH LORD. (like venus in this case). > > > > BUT QUESTION IS.. WHAT IS THE REAL STRENGTH OF THIS > > LEADER. > > > > To that we can say that .. hmm 1 chap is a bogus and > > bologny.. so > > lets take HIM OFF, SO THE LEADER WILL DEPUTE 1 MORE > > VOTE PERSON TO > > KICK HIM OFF. SO NOW HOW MANY " REAL SUPPORTERS ARE > > LEFT " ? > > > > Total Votes : 5 > > Leader : 1 > > Total left to Vote : 4 > > Total Bogus fella : 1 > > Total deputed to kick him out :1 > > > > How many left : 2 (1 is kicked out by a leader > > deputing him so we > > take 2 people off). > > > > That is why we TAKE TWICE THE POINTS OFF to get the > > REAL STRENGTH. > > > > > > So lets take the case of Venus here. Its got points > > from Mars. So > > take the points of Mars out 2 times to get his real > > strengh of Venus. > > > > Such a venus is still spoilt due to other things and > > being NK may not > > give happiness or long lasting relationship. > > However you may be > > right such a spoilt Venus may not give marriage.... > > ??? OH MOST > > IMPORANT THING ALSO IS THAT VENUS HERE IS VERY > > IMPORTANT AS ITS THE > > 7TH LORD FOR MARRIAGE AND LOE ... so it may deny it > > ??? > > > > And come to think of it such a spoilt venus would > > REVERT things > > during its antra... like Marriage.. however I would > > like to hear > > others view on this.. > > > > Lets Tabulate for Studies : > > > > Length of Studies : I did not know how to see that. > > Here maybe > > Krushnaji can say how to judge how long will a > > person study.. ?? > > Cause job will depend on it as " generally " atleast > > in India not a lot > > of people can earn as well as study however in the > > west this is > > possible and infact can also be a way of life as > > education is very > > expensive...??? but in general how to decide on is > > the edcuation > > going to go on til Phd, or Masters etc... > > > > Philippe, break in education is seen quite well from > > Shanis points .. > > for 5th house.. however for 9th house (if post > > graduate its 14 > > points) so a little confusion here... can you state > > if his undergrad > > or post grad degree was interupted due to millitiary > > service ??? His > > shanis antra has weak points for all houses and this > > period was from > > 1989/04 to 1992/03 so this could be a struggle > > period and also its > > Natural Samdharmi to a Spoilt Venus so itself will > > also act funny. > > > > I am getting Lords of 10th from lagna, sun and moon > > in Navamsa of > > Shani, Guru and Venus... does that indicate teaching > > profession ???? > > I do not know for sure. Hope Krushnaji has time to > > look at this > > aspect and guide us. However there is involvement > > of Guru .. so > > could that mean teaching .... I probably could not > > have come to that > > conclusion.... another thing to learn... > > > > Venus here is breaking things... I think because its > > spoilt so where > > ever his is NK or FK I think such things he will > > tend to spoil so 5th > > house and 12th house.. its lord of 7th house and > > 12th house again. > > > > Here if we use the 4:10 principle as you have said.. > > Venus is in 8th > > house with 3 bindus then it will OPPOSE 5th house > > matters i.e. could > > oppose Authority as 5th house is karak for 10th > > house ... ??? > > > > Even Shani is there so it will oppose Shani i.e. 8th > > and 9th house > > for which Shani is karaka so it will oppose 8th and > > 9th house > > matters... ?? > > > > Since Shani is also with 2 bindus then it will > > Control Shani as > > samdharmi but Venus will Oppose it in its antra. > > > > I hope Margarita, Philippe and Krushnaji go through > > what I have > > written and correct me.... > > > > Still lots to learn in this aspect.. but its coming > > together slowly > > but surely > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 Dear Margarita, Ash, and Deepak, a few more comments on these charts: n°1: Margarita, very interesting point that he doesn't speak up or defends his opinions openly. Actually, he doesn't like being involved in conflicts and tries to avoid them by keeping his thoughts or emotions inside but he has a lot of obstination and this can bring sudden breaks with people when he has to interact with them and doesn't agree with their views or way. Ash, about the studies, he got his engineer degree in June 1991 and began his military service in August. Then after the army, he resumed his studies, in astrophysics this time. 1989 to 1992 was an unpleasant time because he didn't like what he was doing and he had some minor difficulties in his studies. However his difficulties (a lot of work and pressure) had started earlier (end of 1985) and things began to get better by 1990/1991. I think Saturn being lord of IV in V is bad for fifth house. So Saturn's sub-period wasn't favorable for fifth house matters. As for ninth house, Saturn is aspected by Mercury lord of VIII (12th from IX) in navamsa. So I think this could have been source of trouble.Thanks for clarifications about deleting double the points. I think this time we got it ! n°2: the native got his final degree for high school studies in 1975. He was then accepted to prepare for being a teacher ( primary school pupils). While he was still a student, had a 3 month training period (September to December 1976). During his studies, he got a salary. First full time job in 1977. Worked as a teacher for mentally retarded children. Interrupted in 1979/1980 because of military service.In July 1981, made an attempt to work as a professional astrologer in Paris. Then resumed his former job in 1982 until June 1985. Then began to work as an astrologer till now. If we look at the chart, first job was in Jupiter/Mercury. Mercury activates 2nd house (money) as LOD and 6th house (job) as LOE. It is also lord of VIII=D for B=XI (income). First attempt as an astrologer was in Jupiter/Venus. Venus is LOD for B=X but in navamsa it is conjunct to 9th lord (12th from X) so I guess the time was not favorable. He settled as an astrologer in Jupiter/Mars. Mars has low points for VI (end of former job) and X (he had to re-start his career in a different field). As lord of VI it is aspecting tenth house. Margarita, I think you're right about studies because the final exam in high school was passed when he was nearly 19 (so one year later than average). There must have been some delay. He has no children. Ash, you're right, he's not married but has had a long lasting relationship since November 1987 up to now (no commonlife). It began in Jupiter/Rahu. Jupiter is FK for 7th house, Rahu is samdharmi to Saturn LOD. As for marriage, 6th lord aspecting lords of A, B, and C and houses B and C denies marriage I think. About income, the most difficult period was his first attempt as an astrologer in Jupiter/Venus (at least I think so). Maybe because Venus is in X (12th from XI) aspected by 6th lord. n°3: wasn't a good pupil in high school. Always making fun of things.Ash you're right he is self-confident. After two years in university ( he didn't pass the exam)he went to a business school and got his degree in June 1990. Then had to do his military service. Remained unemployed until the beginning of 1992. Worked in a small computer company (selling machines). In June 1993, the company got bankrupted. At the beginning of 1994 he tried to create his own company (medical material) but couldn't develop it enough. In the middle of 1996, got a job as assistant director in a company having the same activity. Resigned in 2000 and now works with his brothers (his elder brother has created a security agency). Looking at the chart he got his first job in Saturn/Saturn. Saturn is in the navamsa of Mars 11th lord so LOD for 2nd (money) and LOE for sixth (job). Saturn is LOD for XI (income). But in the worksheet Saturn has low points for sixth and second house and is aspected by Venus fifth lord so it didn't seem so stable. He lost his job in Mercury's sub . Mercury is in fifth house ie 12th from VI but it has high points for VI (?) He tried to develop his own business (I think it's more a third and tenth house matter and Mercury has a good score for these houses) but the failure was apparent in Ketu's sub. Ketu is samsdharmi to Mars and Venus which have low points for X. For III it is more mitigated. Mars being LOE for VI he found a job. Change of job occured in Sun's sub. Sun is in V =12th from VI but is also LOD for VI. Concerning marriage, I agree, 6th lord in VII is bad. However he met his future wife in 1997 and they married in July 2001. They get along very well. He met her in Saturn/Venus. Saturn is natural samdharmi to Venus NK and Venus is LOE for VII=B. Official marriage was in Saturn/Moon. It doesn't seem clear to me from the analysis. Sorry, this mail is quite long, maybe I should have discussed the charts separately. Your comments will be most welcome. Best regards Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 Oh thank you Philippe, I'm going to print this out and then go through each chart again; At least i have a big bone to chew on now Thanks again and best regards Margarita philippe bonin wrote: > Dear Margarita, Ash, and Deepak, > >a few more comments on these charts: > >n°1: Margarita, very interesting point that he doesn't speak up or defends >his opinions openly. Actually, he doesn't like being involved in conflicts >and tries to avoid them by keeping his thoughts or emotions inside but he >has a lot of obstination and this can bring sudden breaks with people when >he has to interact with them and doesn't agree with their views or way. >Ash, about the studies, he got his engineer degree in June 1991 and began >his military service in August. Then after the army, he resumed his studies, >in astrophysics this time. 1989 to 1992 was an unpleasant time because he >didn't like what he was doing and he had some minor difficulties in his >studies. However his difficulties (a lot of work and pressure) had started >earlier (end of 1985) and things began to get better by 1990/1991. I think >Saturn being lord of IV in V is bad for fifth house. So Saturn's sub-period >wasn't favorable for fifth house matters. As for ninth house, Saturn is >aspected by Mercury lord of VIII (12th from IX) in navamsa. So I think this >could have been source of trouble.Thanks for clarifications about deleting >double the points. I think this time we got it ! > >n°2: the native got his final degree for high school studies in 1975. He was >then accepted to prepare for being a teacher ( primary school pupils). While >he was still a student, had a 3 month training period (September to December >1976). During his studies, he got a salary. First full time job in 1977. >Worked as a teacher for mentally retarded children. Interrupted in 1979/1980 >because of military service.In July 1981, made an attempt to work as a >professional astrologer in Paris. Then resumed his former job in 1982 until >June 1985. Then began to work as an astrologer till now. >If we look at the chart, first job was in Jupiter/Mercury. Mercury activates >2nd house (money) as LOD and 6th house (job) as LOE. It is also lord of >VIII=D for B=XI (income). First attempt as an astrologer was in >Jupiter/Venus. Venus is LOD for B=X but in navamsa it is conjunct to 9th >lord (12th from X) so I guess the time was not favorable. He settled as an >astrologer in Jupiter/Mars. Mars has low points for VI (end of former job) >and X (he had to re-start his career in a different field). As lord of VI it >is aspecting tenth house. >Margarita, I think you're right about studies because the final exam in high >school was passed when he was nearly 19 (so one year later than average). >There must have been some delay. He has no children. >Ash, you're right, he's not married but has had a long lasting relationship >since November 1987 up to now (no commonlife). It began in Jupiter/Rahu. >Jupiter is FK for 7th house, Rahu is samdharmi to Saturn LOD. As for >marriage, 6th lord aspecting lords of A, B, and C and houses B and C denies >marriage I think. About income, the most difficult period was his first >attempt as an astrologer in Jupiter/Venus (at least I think so). Maybe >because Venus is in X (12th from XI) aspected by 6th lord. > >n°3: wasn't a good pupil in high school. Always making fun of things.Ash >you're right he is self-confident. After two years in university ( he didn't >pass the exam)he went to a business school and got his degree in June 1990. >Then had to do his military service. Remained unemployed until the beginning >of 1992. Worked in a small computer company (selling machines). In June >1993, the company got bankrupted. At the beginning of 1994 he tried to >create his own company (medical material) but couldn't develop it enough. In >the middle of 1996, got a job as assistant director in a company having the >same activity. Resigned in 2000 and now works with his brothers (his elder >brother has created a security agency). >Looking at the chart he got his first job in Saturn/Saturn. Saturn is in the >navamsa of Mars 11th lord so LOD for 2nd (money) and LOE for sixth (job). >Saturn is LOD for XI (income). But in the worksheet Saturn has low points >for sixth and second house and is aspected by Venus fifth lord so it didn't >seem so stable. He lost his job in Mercury's sub . Mercury is in fifth house >ie 12th from VI but it has high points for VI (?) He tried to develop his >own business (I think it's more a third and tenth house matter and Mercury >has a good score for these houses) but the failure was apparent in Ketu's >sub. Ketu is samsdharmi to Mars and Venus which have low points for X. For >III it is more mitigated. Mars being LOE for VI he found a job. Change of >job occured in Sun's sub. Sun is in V =12th from VI but is also LOD for VI. >Concerning marriage, I agree, 6th lord in VII is bad. However he met his >future wife in 1997 and they married in July 2001. They get along very well. >He met her in Saturn/Venus. Saturn is natural samdharmi to Venus NK and >Venus is LOE for VII=B. Official marriage was in Saturn/Moon. It doesn't >seem clear to me from the analysis. > >Sorry, this mail is quite long, maybe I should have discussed the charts >separately. >Your comments will be most welcome. > >Best regards > >Philippe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 Dear Krushnaji, Philippe, Margarita, List Members, Yes Period from 1989/04 thru 1992/03 can easily be seen through points as being a difficult period. The antra running is that of Shani and Shani has low points for all houses except 9th and its LOD and LOE for 10th and 11th and 6th and 7th so it will do ok for these houses. Again, obtaining degree also happened in Shanis antra. Shani has low points for 5th house.. so here it is again in 2 of the 3 charts degree was obtainied in antra of a weak planet for 5th house. I am sure there is something more to it.. Krushnaji can you please comment on this part. Since both the natives got their degree in antra of weak planet then WE ARE MOST DEFINITELY overlooking something. Please guide us here. I am glad that you got why we have to delete 2ce the points :=) for points getting from 6th lord.... I think other points are clear. Thanking you for these charts, Cheers !!! Ash , " philippe bonin " <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > > Dear Margarita, Ash, and Deepak, > > a few more comments on these charts: > > n°1: Margarita, very interesting point that he doesn't speak up or defends > his opinions openly. Actually, he doesn't like being involved in conflicts > and tries to avoid them by keeping his thoughts or emotions inside but he > has a lot of obstination and this can bring sudden breaks with people when > he has to interact with them and doesn't agree with their views or way. > Ash, about the studies, he got his engineer degree in June 1991 and began > his military service in August. Then after the army, he resumed his studies, > in astrophysics this time. 1989 to 1992 was an unpleasant time because he > didn't like what he was doing and he had some minor difficulties in his > studies. However his difficulties (a lot of work and pressure) had started > earlier (end of 1985) and things began to get better by 1990/1991. I think > Saturn being lord of IV in V is bad for fifth house. So Saturn's sub-period > wasn't favorable for fifth house matters. As for ninth house, Saturn is > aspected by Mercury lord of VIII (12th from IX) in navamsa. So I think this > could have been source of trouble.Thanks for clarifications about deleting > double the points. I think this time we got it ! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 Dear Margarita and Ash, about chart N°3, Ash, as I know the native didn't have higher expense than income but his bank account was low at that time, as he had no possibility for saving money. Margarita and Ash, both of you are right about his marriage. He began living with the girl a few months after meeting her (so it was still Venus' sub). So this is not a traditional marriage and his chart seems to show the date of commonlife rather than official marriage. Margarita, I thought that as third house governs courage and initiative, trying to develop his own business would involve it. But maybe I'm wrong, that was just personal idea. Ash, since 2000 he's working with his brothers. He began in Sun's antra. Since then, there is no change in his professional life. He's working hard, coming home late, and has to undergo a lot of pressure. Sun has low points for V and high points for VI, Moon on the contrary has low points for VI and high points for V. Though no big professional problem during Moon's antra. Mars has good score for V and VI. During Mars' antra he had a son. Mars could be samdharmi to Moon LOD for V but it is sixth lord so I don't understand. Maybe we have to consider conception at the very end of Moon's antra (the baby was slightly prematurate).Now he's just begun Rahu's antra. Rahu is samdharmi to Mars and Venus. Both planets have good score for V and VI. As for studies, I have to think about the subject. It's a chance we got some advice from Krushna. Thanks to him. Best regards Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 Dear Philippe, Thanks for clearing this up. Yes one more point I wanted to point out. Suns antra if you check has 19 points for 6th. So it can give start of Job. Now carefully notice 10th points, 11th points and 12th points for Suns antra. You will see 10th house has 17 points, 11th house has 19 points and 12th house has 11 points... So more income as compared to effort and lesser expenses to " savings " will be there.. can u confirm this part if its correct.... Now Next antra is that of Moon. Moon has 17 points for 5th (after getting a job we move to 5th house for authority) and it has good points so Job will continue.. now looking at 10th, 11th and 12th points we can see 12 points for 10th, 11 for income and 6 for expense.... so here again can you confirm... the native might have had to put in " lesser " effort than in Suns antra might have haved " more " savings than as compared to suns antra..... income might have gone down too... 11 points but Savings could be even more.. Moons antra for child birth makes sense.. LOD for 5th house... is Moon. Shani is aspecting LOA,LOB and LOC for 5th house as B however Guru is aspecting Shani so 2nd 1/3rd sector .. hmm.. though Moon is in rasi and navamsa of Shani... You said last 1/3rd sector.. .. would like to hear Margarita and KRushnaji comments on why LAST 1/3rd SECTOR instead of 2nd 1/3r SECTOR ??? Can you confirm the same please. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " philippe bonin " <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > > Dear Margarita and Ash, > > about chart N°3, Ash, as I know the native didn't have higher expense than > income but his bank account was low at that time, as he had no possibility > for saving money. > Margarita and Ash, both of you are right about his marriage. He began living > with the girl a few months after meeting her (so it was still Venus' sub). > So this is not a traditional marriage and his chart seems to show the date > of commonlife rather than official marriage. > Margarita, I thought that as third house governs courage and initiative, > trying to develop his own business would involve it. But maybe I'm wrong, > that was just personal idea. > Ash, since 2000 he's working with his brothers. He began in Sun's antra. > Since then, there is no change in his professional life. He's working hard, > coming home late, and has to undergo a lot of pressure. Sun has low points > for V and high points for VI, Moon on the contrary has low points for VI and > high points for V. Though no big professional problem during Moon's antra. > Mars has good score for V and VI. During Mars' antra he had a son. Mars > could be samdharmi to Moon LOD for V but it is sixth lord so I don't > understand. Maybe we have to consider conception at the very end of Moon's > antra (the baby was slightly prematurate).Now he's just begun Rahu's antra. > Rahu is samdharmi to Mars and Venus. Both planets have good score for V and > VI. > As for studies, I have to think about the subject. It's a chance we got some > advice from Krushna. Thanks to him. > > Best regards > > Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 Dear Ash, as for chart N°3, there has been no loss of income in Moon's antra. Work is harder in his present job than in the former but he got some slight relief since the beginning of Mars' antra. I don't know about the differences in income between the former and the new job. However, if there is a difference, it was in Sun's antra. No difference since. I said child conception in last 1/3rd portion of Moon's antra. Child birth occured in Mars' antra. Best regards Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 Dear Philippe, We have to check the conception time and not the child birth. Other than that I do not have the chart and the points with me on this computer. I shall look again. If you have the points check the difference between 10th and 11th house points for Sun and then compare that to Moon. The effort for income you can see from that... going by my memory and if memory serves me well... In suns antra 10th house points compared to 10th house of Moons antra were more.. however for 11th house Suns antra points were more as compared to Moon BUT 12th house points for Sun were more than that of Moon. So this should probably give you an idea of effort put v/s income received v/s expenses for each antra... Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " philippe bonin " <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > as for chart N°3, there has been no loss of income in Moon's antra. Work is > harder in his present job than in the former but he got some slight relief > since the beginning of Mars' antra. I don't know about the differences in > income between the former and the new job. However, if there is a > difference, it was in Sun's antra. No difference since. > I said child conception in last 1/3rd portion of Moon's antra. Child birth > occured in Mars' antra. > > Best regards > > Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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