Guest guest Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 Hello Margarita and Ash, thank you for your very interesting comments on the use of the multiplication factor. Actually, I thought it could be used in two different ways: - evaluating the quality of the result during the antra of a planet (that's what you underlined); -evaluating the overall effect of the planet's placement in a chart regardless of the antra. That's the way I used it when I commented the two charts. Maybe my understanding is wrong on that but I thought it was possible after reading a recent mail from Ash to the list where he gave the example of the effect Mars could have in 4th house with 5 points for two different lagnas (Leo and Libra). For Leo lagna the placement is very good because being LOD Mars cannot harm seventh house by its aspect but for Libra lagna Mars is aspecting its own sign Aries with a -5 point aspect which will be felt as -7 due to the multiplication factor 1.4. So Mars can give marriage in its antra but this marriage will have to undergo tensions and conflicts due to the aspect of Mars on seventh house. I had understood this problem would affect marriage not only in Mars' antra but that this prediction belonged to the overall analysis of the chart. Maybe that's where I made a mistake. Could you please correct my understanding? From your examples (getting at the station or the airport) there's also a point I'm not sure I've got: during the antra of the planet, will a bad multiplication factor make the result more difficult to get or spoil the quality of the result even if we know it happens? I had understood it the second way. Thanks a lot for your help. Best regards Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 Dear Philippe, I think there is come confusion. Mars in 4th house in Capricorn with high points lets take example that Mars is in capricorn with 5 bindus which is 4th house. So this mars is in House D with high bindus. So it will try to give results. At the same time it will " Reduce " 7th house matters due to its aspect on 7th house. That ends point one. Point 2 is the feel. Like its been discussed that planets in exaltation aspect even with more maleficance. So Such an exalted Mars will aspect with and its effects " felt " will be like -7. For event to happen u consider mars's dristi of -4. For event to happen also check Mars is in House D with 5 bindus. The cummulative effect felt for event to happen is what u select from points in the WS. But the feeling or results and the force with with it will give, multiply that effect with 1.4. So if there were to be any problems they would be aggrivated in a more malefic manner. Here we will consider Aspect of Mars on 7th house if Mars is in capricorn and in 4th house as compared to if Mars were to be in Scorpio in 4th with high bindus as its LoD and we do not consider dristi of LoD to be Malefic. So if you multiply with 1.4 then effects would be felt were better as the whole part of that Malefic dristi on 7th house is taken off so only better results will happen from WS and felt by multiplication factor. Sorry if I caused confusion. I did not understand clearly the last part of the mail and your confusion. From what I could understand. Consider the sign to give backing to the event. The event to happen or not you check from WS but the " quality " and " backing " to the event i.e. how it will be felt to the native check from multiplication factor. so Guru in Cancer will get 1.4 times the backing as compared to Guru in capricorn where the backing from the sign will be of 0.5. Yes these are for antra only. Even in the example for MArs in 4th with high bindus in capricorn and scorpio as 4th, I had asked for effect in Mars antar only. As when a planets antra comes in vimshottari dasha it gets power to act like coming under the spot light. Now what events will that give is from WS and what backing it gets so the feeling of the native in that antra is from multiplification factor. Maybe a person say " Gets a house " but " he has to undergo stress from lawyers or builders " if that planet has less backing from the house it is placed in. But event of getting house happened. I hope that clears things up. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " philippe bonin " <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > Hello Margarita and Ash, > > thank you for your very interesting comments on the use of the > multiplication factor. Actually, I thought it could be used in two different > ways: > - evaluating the quality of the result during the antra of a planet (that's > what you underlined); > -evaluating the overall effect of the planet's placement in a chart > regardless of the antra. That's the way I used it when I commented the two > charts. Maybe my understanding is wrong on that but I thought it was > possible after reading a recent mail from Ash to the list where he gave the > example of the effect Mars could have in 4th house with 5 points for two > different lagnas (Leo and Libra). > For Leo lagna the placement is very good because being LOD Mars cannot harm > seventh house by its aspect but for Libra lagna Mars is aspecting its own > sign Aries with a -5 point aspect which will be felt as -7 due to the > multiplication factor 1.4. So Mars can give marriage in its antra but this > marriage will have to undergo tensions and conflicts due to the aspect of > Mars on seventh house. I had understood this problem would affect marriage > not only in Mars' antra but that this prediction belonged to the overall > analysis of the chart. Maybe that's where I made a mistake. Could you please > correct my understanding? > > From your examples (getting at the station or the airport) there's also a > point I'm not sure I've got: during the antra of the planet, will a bad > multiplication factor make the result more difficult to get or spoil the > quality of the result even if we know it happens? I had understood it the > second way. > > Thanks a lot for your help. > > Best regards > > Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 Hello Philippe, I understand what you mean but I never thought that way. But you could be right. I will try to find out is this multiplication factor also applies vor evaluation the overall effect of a planet places in a chart. It makes sense anyway. Interesting to bring that up and I will let you know. Best regards Margarita philippe bonin wrote: >Hello Margarita and Ash, > >thank you for your very interesting comments on the use of the >multiplication factor. Actually, I thought it could be used in two different >ways: >- evaluating the quality of the result during the antra of a planet (that's >what you underlined); >-evaluating the overall effect of the planet's placement in a chart >regardless of the antra. That's the way I used it when I commented the two >charts. Maybe my understanding is wrong on that but I thought it was >possible after reading a recent mail from Ash to the list where he gave the >example of the effect Mars could have in 4th house with 5 points for two >different lagnas (Leo and Libra). >For Leo lagna the placement is very good because being LOD Mars cannot harm >seventh house by its aspect but for Libra lagna Mars is aspecting its own >sign Aries with a -5 point aspect which will be felt as -7 due to the >multiplication factor 1.4. So Mars can give marriage in its antra but this >marriage will have to undergo tensions and conflicts due to the aspect of >Mars on seventh house. I had understood this problem would affect marriage >not only in Mars' antra but that this prediction belonged to the overall >analysis of the chart. Maybe that's where I made a mistake. Could you please >correct my understanding? > >>From your examples (getting at the station or the airport) there's also a >point I'm not sure I've got: during the antra of the planet, will a bad >multiplication factor make the result more difficult to get or spoil the >quality of the result even if we know it happens? I had understood it the >second way. > >Thanks a lot for your help. > >Best regards > >Philippe > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 Dear Margarita and Ash, thanks for your comments and explanations on this topic. Ash, I understand the multiplication factor is used in relation to the antra of a planet only. From a few tries (the examples I gave were taken from them) it seemed to be relevant for judging the placement of the planet in the chart also. But it might be coincidence and maybe in other charts it is not. Thanks anyway for taking time to clarify things. Best regards Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 Dear Philippe, Ash, Margarita, and all List members, The multiplication factor is with respect to the sign of the planets. So It can be applied both for the situation of the planets and also for the result w.r.to Points in WS. Thanks krushna , " philippe bonin " <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > Dear Margarita and Ash, > > thanks for your comments and explanations on this topic. Ash, I understand > the multiplication factor is used in relation to the antra of a planet only. > From a few tries (the examples I gave were taken from them) it seemed to be > relevant for judging the placement of the planet in the chart also. But it > might be coincidence and maybe in other charts it is not. > Thanks anyway for taking time to clarify things. > > Best regards > Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 Thank you Krushna for answering, Good you raised this Philippe, it's clear now that your way of seeing was also correct Best regards Margarita krushanain wrote: > Dear Philippe, Ash, Margarita, and all List members, > The multiplication factor is with respect to the sign of the > planets. So It can be applied both for the situation of the planets > and also for the result w.r.to Points in WS. > Thanks > krushna > , " philippe bonin " > <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > > Dear Margarita and Ash, > > > > thanks for your comments and explanations on this topic. Ash, I > understand > > the multiplication factor is used in relation to the antra of a > planet only. > > From a few tries (the examples I gave were taken from them) it > seemed to be > > relevant for judging the placement of the planet in the chart also. > But it > > might be coincidence and maybe in other charts it is not. > > Thanks anyway for taking time to clarify things. > > > > Best regards > > Philippe > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Philippe , Thanks for your astute question and answer. Good to learn. Keep those questions coming. Cheers !!! Ash , " krushanain " <krushanain> wrote: > Dear Philippe, Ash, Margarita, and all List members, > The multiplication factor is with respect to the sign of the > planets. So It can be applied both for the situation of the planets > and also for the result w.r.to Points in WS. > Thanks > krushna > , " philippe bonin " > <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > > Dear Margarita and Ash, > > > > thanks for your comments and explanations on this topic. Ash, I > understand > > the multiplication factor is used in relation to the antra of a > planet only. > > From a few tries (the examples I gave were taken from them) it > seemed to be > > relevant for judging the placement of the planet in the chart also. > But it > > might be coincidence and maybe in other charts it is not. > > Thanks anyway for taking time to clarify things. > > > > Best regards > > Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 Dear Krushna, thanks a lot for your explanation. Now I think things are quite clear and it will help to go further in practicing. Respectfully Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 Dear Philippe, Thanks for your observations. I did learn from it. Can you in your your experiences with studying so many charts can you share some of the observations on how you have used this with even other planets. This will also help me in my studies. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " philippe bonin " <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > Dear Krushna, > > thanks a lot for your explanation. Now I think things are quite clear > and it will help to go further in practicing. > > Respectfully > > Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 Dear Ash, I just said I had made a few tries. I'm still trying to experiment on more cases but here are two other charts which have in common Mercury with 7 points where it is located. First chart: August 18th 1947 10:45 pm 45°18'N, 0°57'W Lagna: 17°19' Aries Moon: 6°31' Virgo second chart (we have already looked at it on the list): October 24th 1956, 11:15 am Paris France Lagna: 20°08' Scorpio Moon: 8°16' Gemini The first chart belongs to a man who has always got problems in finding a job. Although Jupiter/Mercury gave him a job he kept for ten years (Mercury is activating 6th 10th and 11th house of income), he always worked in companies facing economical problems (that's one reason for his jobs being unstable, the other one is a communication problem in showing his own professional merit). Mercury is placed in a sign where the multipication factor is 0.5. I think it can show some lack of comfort in job because of surrounding difficulties, and maybe also a lot of efforts in getting a new job. The second chart belongs to a professional astrologer, former school teacher.Here Mercury in 11th house (E for VI=B) also gave job in its antra. Mercury has a multiplication factor 1.6. Although the native changed his career, he always felt well with his jobs (he liked them both). I hope it can be interesting. Best regards Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 Dear Philippe, Thanks for these charts and your explanation. Its good learning. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash , " philippe bonin " <philippe.bonin@w...> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > I just said I had made a few tries. I'm still trying to experiment on more > cases but here are two other charts which have in common Mercury with 7 > points where it is located. > First chart: August 18th 1947 10:45 pm 45°18'N, 0°57'W > Lagna: 17°19' Aries Moon: 6°31' Virgo > > second chart (we have already looked at it on the list): October 24th 1956, > 11:15 am Paris France > Lagna: 20°08' Scorpio Moon: 8°16' Gemini > > The first chart belongs to a man who has always got problems in finding a > job. Although Jupiter/Mercury gave him a job he kept for ten years (Mercury > is activating 6th 10th and 11th house of income), he always worked in > companies facing economical problems (that's one reason for his jobs being > unstable, the other one is a communication problem in showing his own > professional merit). > Mercury is placed in a sign where the multipication factor is 0.5. I think > it can show some lack of comfort in job because of surrounding difficulties, > and maybe also a lot of efforts in getting a new job. > > The second chart belongs to a professional astrologer, former school > teacher.Here Mercury in 11th house (E for VI=B) also gave job in its antra. > Mercury has a multiplication factor 1.6. Although the native changed his > career, he always felt well with his jobs (he liked them both). > > I hope it can be interesting. > > Best regards > Philippe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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