2- & Sandy,....from Mark Kincaid....re.....Jyotish Remedies

February 8, 2004

Dear Sandy & Others.

I think one of the primary advantages of our scientific age is it's been an opportunity to resolve just these kinds of irresolveable belief systems.

I personally, think God created a scientific age so we could start to resolve all our myriads of different world views. No one seriously believes that the Earth is flat.

Why? Because we developed a system of knowledge which is able to test the validity of different opinions.

I think Jyotish is strategically placed to be able to test any and all of their beliefs.

Okay, we believe the Sun in a person's chart refers to self-confidence. Well, this will be very easy to study. Take 1,000 individuals and test them using standard psychological tests to determine self-worth and self-confidence, and I bet you there will be an extremely high correlation between their scores and their Astrological charts.

We can test Jyotish remedies like this. We can first do a base line on a person's skill in any area, and then prescribe certain remedies and then study their results.

I think even, now, because we're talking about this, the desire is getting stirred up for just such scientific validations.

Maybe this will also help us move out of a situation where Astrology, itself is split between Western & Eastern. If we could demonstrate time and time again, that Jyotish really fits, 'life', then Western enthuiasts will have to give up their world view.

Western Astronomers and scientists are very fed up with Western Astrology because it says, 'we're symbolic' and not literal Astrology.

I think if Western Psycholoigcal Astrology teaches us anything, it's the fact that Astrology can be found in the Psychologys and Physiologies....of people!

I enjoyed your email very much Sandy.

Sincerely,

Mark Kincaid

PS....I also write a Jyotish newsletter. It includes a daily, Transits newsletter as well as other aspects of Jyotish as well. If anyone in this group is interested, in subscribing, feel free to contact me personally at: m.kincaid And, the newsletter is free.

" Sandy Crowther " <sandy

Sun, 8 Feb 2004 10:30:24 -0500

RE: Remedies

Hi Peter and List,

My 2 centsŠJ

In addition to what others have already interjected on the subject of remedial measures, I would just like to add that much of the astrological dichotomy and controversy surrounding the beliefs versus non-beliefs, with respect to effectiveness or lack thereof any type of remedial measures, lies in each individual¹s unique belief system, and therefore cannot be measured or evaluated by another¹s belief system. Another¹s strong belief system can certainly influence you, but we must go beyond that and know the bottom line here of what is right for us as individuals. For example, some people believe in God and pray to God others do not.

To put this in better perspective, the fact is that some folks believe in the Monistic approach (such as there is only ONE reality and they are therefore responsible for singularly helping themselves in life), where as Dualists have a belief in a higher power greater than themselves, and therefore have faith that this higher power, such as God, has an ability to assist them in their struggles in life. So to be influenced by one approach versus another must be highly individual, and has a great deal to do with faith in a higher being, versus monistic beliefs. No one individual should blindly follow the opinions of another, or follow the opinions of one who has delegated themselves as judge and jury as to the effectiveness, or lack thereof, of remedial measures for another - whether for or against effectiveness of the same - as this is such a highly personal experience - and highly individual for each one of us. We alone must evaluate the experience for ourselves, based on our beliefs, and blindly follow no one¹s belief. But what we should allow as evolved astrologer¹s is freedom of choice our individual right to believe or not believe without duly disrespecting another¹s views as illegitimate.

So, in my humble opinion, the bottom line is that there is no way of either validating or invalidating remedial measures, and one has to search one¹s own conscience for what beliefs ring true to them, individually, and not be influenced by another¹s strong opinions as to whether they work or not. Some find comfort in remedials, prayers, kavaches and gems, while others do not. So a bit of soul searching is necessary to evaluate one¹s own belief system, and then an assessment as to whether or not one has faith in prayers or remedials can only then be uniquely evaluated for each of us as individuals. Freedom of choice.

All the Best,

Sandy Crowther

http://www.jupitersweb.com <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

Peter [petermay]

Sunday, February 08, 2004 2:19 AM

Re: Remedies

Hi All,

There has just been a long discussion on the effct of remedies such as Mantras, Kavatches and gemstones on another list " Astrophecy " the final conclusion was that none of them really worked although there is no possibility of proving or disproving it. The final suggestion was that curing situations etc. was best done by getting down to it and making sure that the things worked out for you.

Peter S