RE: 2- & Sandy,....from MarkKincaid....re.....Jyotish Remedies

[Guest guest]

Dear Mark, List,

Krushna, and List Moderators,

 

Thanks for your

patience in letting participants with differing views indulge in this matter...

J This topic has been controversial for a long time on a few other

lists, and has caused upsets and misunderstandings on many lists. So I

appreciate being given the opportunity to have a voice here without being

d…And I hope no one finds my posts offensive, as I mean no

disrespect to those holding opposing views.

 

Mark - Thanks

for your views …This is certainly a nice thing to hope for J - However, I don’t think that the extreme dichotomy of these two

very diverse belief systems can be easily resolved in the age of Kali Yuga …I’ll tell you why. You wrote:

 

“I

personally, think God created a scientific age so we could start to resolve all

our myriads of different world views.â€

 

The problem

with your statement above (with respect to any form of reconcilable resolution)

is that the Monists

will find a dichotomy from their belief

perspective, with the mere mention (above) that “God†(who to Monists does not exists

as a separate entity from

themselves) could even be separately

involved in any of this, as man and God are one to Monists, and therefore God cannot

be responsible for “creating a

scientific ageâ€.  In other words, Monists (for example, one branch is Zen

practitioners) don’t see God and man as separate,

where Dualists

view God and man as separate entities. To Dualists, man continues on his journey in

life - with the eventual goal being geared toward that of attaining union with God, or something likened to “monastic

theismâ€. J With Monists, theism (belief in the

existence of a God or God’s

outside of themselves) simply doesn’t exist. Therefore Monism and Dualism may be irreconcilable.

Both diverse branches are pointed in their views, and therefore it is the

individual belief system of each one of us, uniquely and personally, that must

be the final judge and jury as to

whether or not remedials, in their various forms, are effective or not, and if

so, what specific ones hold value for us personally. Many people throughout

their lives will follow one path for a certain amount of time, and then the

other - to ultimately find their own Truth and path that is right for them.

 

So my advice

would be for folks to search their souls to determine their own personal

resonance with Truth, and find their own unique relationship with “All That Isâ€

– and in the process of doing that, to not be unduly influenced by another’s

powerful belief system. Be true to yourself and search within your own soul for

your Truth. And finally, let us all be gracious enough to allow others the same

freedom - without defamation or personal character assaults on those who

beliefs differ from our own – meaning of either those who believe in remedials,

or those who do not. Tolerance is Freedom. Thanks for listening.

 

 

 

          All the Best,

       Sandy Crowther

http://www.jupitersweb.com

 

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

[m.kincaid]

Sunday, February 08, 2004

11:13 AM

To:

 

Subject:

2- & Sandy,....from MarkKincaid....re.....Jyotish

Remedies

 

Dear

Sandy & Others.

 

 

I think one of the primary advantages of our scientific age is it's been an

opportunity to resolve just these kinds of irresolveable belief systems.

 

I personally, think God created a scientific age so we could start to resolve

all our myriads of different world views. No one seriously believes that

the Earth is flat.

 

Why? Because we developed a system of knowledge which is able to test the

validity of different opinions.

 

I think Jyotish is strategically placed to be able to test any and all of their

beliefs.

 

Okay, we believe the Sun in a person's chart refers to self-confidence.

Well, this will be very easy to study. Take 1,000 individuals and

test them using standard psychological tests to determine self-worth and

self-confidence, and I bet you there will be an extremely high correlation

between their scores and their Astrological charts.

 

We can test Jyotish remedies like this. We can first do a base line on a

person's skill in any area, and then prescribe certain remedies and then study

their results.

 

I think even, now, because we're talking about this, the desire is getting

stirred up for just such scientific validations.

 

Maybe this will also help us move out of a situation where Astrology, itself is

split between Western & Eastern. If we could demonstrate time and

time again, that Jyotish really fits, 'life', then Western enthuiasts will have

to give up their world view.

 

Western Astronomers and scientists are very fed up with Western Astrology

because it says, 'we're symbolic' and not literal Astrology.

 

I think if Western Psycholoigcal Astrology teaches us anything, it's the fact

that Astrology can be found in the Psychologys and Physiologies....of people!

 

I enjoyed your email very much Sandy.

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

 

PS....I also write a Jyotish newsletter. It includes a daily, Transits

newsletter as well as other aspects of Jyotish as well. If anyone in this

group is interested, in subscribing, feel free to contact me personally at: m.kincaid And,

the newsletter is free.

 

 

 

 

 

 

" Sandy Crowther "

<sandy

 

Sun, 8 Feb 2004 10:30:24

-0500

 

RE:

Remedies

 

 

Hi Peter and List,

 

 

 

My 2 centsÅ J

 

 

 

In addition to what others have already interjected on the

subject of remedial measures, I would just like to add that much of the

astrological dichotomy and controversy surrounding the beliefs versus

non-beliefs, with respect to effectiveness or lack thereof any type of remedial

measures, lies in each individual¹s unique belief

system, and therefore cannot be measured or evaluated by another¹s

belief system. Another¹s strong belief system can certainly influence

you, but we must go beyond that and know the bottom line here of what is right

for us as

individuals. For example, some people believe in God and pray to God ­ others

do not.

 

 

 

To put this in better perspective, the fact is that some folks

believe in the Monistic approach (such as there is only ONE reality and they

are therefore responsible for singularly helping themselves in life), where as

Dualists have a belief in a higher power greater than themselves, and therefore

have faith that this higher power, such as God, has an ability to assist them

in their struggles in life. So to be influenced by one approach versus another

must be highly individual, and has a great deal to do with faith in a higher

being, versus monistic beliefs. No one individual should blindly follow the

opinions of another, or follow the opinions of one who has delegated themselves

as judge and jury as to the effectiveness, or lack thereof, of remedial

measures for another - whether for or against effectiveness of the same - as

this is such a highly personal experience - and highly individual for

each one of us. We alone must evaluate the experience for ourselves, based on

our beliefs, and blindly follow no one¹s belief. But what we should allow as

evolved astrologer¹s is freedom of choice ­ our individual right to believe or not believe

without duly disrespecting another¹s views as illegitimate.

 

 

 

So, in my humble opinion, the bottom line is that there is no

way of either validating or invalidating remedial measures, and one has to

search one¹s own conscience for what beliefs ring true to them, individually,

and not be influenced by another¹s strong opinions as to whether they work or

not. Some find comfort in remedials, prayers, kavaches and gems, while others

do not. So a bit of soul searching is necessary to evaluate one¹s own belief

system, and then an assessment as to whether or not one has faith in prayers or

remedials can only then be uniquely evaluated for each of us as individuals.

Freedom of choice.

 

 

 

 

All the Best,

 

Sandy Crowther

 

http://www.jupitersweb.com <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

 

 

 

 

 

Peter

[petermay]

Sunday, February 08, 2004

2:19 AM

To:

 

Re:

Remedies

 

 

Hi All,

There has just been a long

discussion on the effct of remedies such as Mantras, Kavatches and gemstones on

another list " Astrophecy " the final conclusion was that none of them

really worked although there is no possibility of proving or disproving it. The

final suggestion was that curing situations etc. was best done by getting down

to it and making sure that the things worked out for you.

 

Peter S

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Mark,

I gave away western astrology because it had turned so psychological and I place no value at all on psychological values.

I still howewver look at other types of astrology such as Vedic, Uranian, and MaHaBote.

Peter S

[Guest guest]



Hi Sandy,

There is only one answer to your last letter. That is I agree entirely.

 

Peter S