Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 Hello Manu, Sateesh, Ash and all, Coming back to this problem of precession rates in dating periods. I recently observed that there are errors in the ayanamsha chart in chapter 6 of files, and Margarita pointed out that this doesn't matter as everyone uses programs. This is true, but if they want to pinpoint dates really closely as Sateesh recently did (perhaps unwisely?), I hope they also will check the Excel Krushna ayanamsha sheet, as the rates of precession accelerate quite fast, and programs do not account for this. In fact, there is some very interesting stuff on the web from dissident astronomers about precession, saying it doesn't actually exist as most astronomers think. These new people (see " binary research " , etc on web) develop the ideas of Sri Yukteswar, that our solar system is in fact revolving around another star, maybe Siruius, maybe an invisible " dwarf " , and that this is waht accounts for the shifting positions of the fixed stars, the zodiacal " ages " and the yuga. The orbit around this other star would be elliptical, and the rate would vary between about 50 " /year at the farthest point from the other star to 1°/year at the closest. We are currently approaching, therefore accelerating. See for example: www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/calculations/precession.shtml or do a google on " Binary research " . I find it interesting that the Krushna ayanamasha excel sheet is one of the rare (only?) astrological tools available which seems to take this current acceleration of " precession " into account. If we want to be strict, it means checking the ayanamsha for the day of birth with the sheet, and adjusting our programs specially for each chart. I also notice that the rate of acceleration given in this excel sheet is much faster than that given even by those astronomers who want to prove the point that the acceleration is important (in the excel sheet, it's about 0.01 " per 9 years, whereas on the web site mentioned above there's a chart showing approx 0.005 " per 20-odd years). Does anyone know how this excel chart of accelerating values was calculated? Do you use it in practice? Many thanks for any information. (The articles on the web on precession/binary research are very interesting -- it seems to be a very muddled area in astronomy where there is a MAJOR battle of ideas going on, with ancient Indian ideas beginning to be accepted as showing greater coherence than the accepted astromnomical dogmas. Usually in astrology -- sidereal and tropical -- we just behave as if the problem doesn't exist.) Best wishes to all Graham , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: > I got 2/18. That is very true Graham, precesion rate calculations are > so very different. But I see no reason why that should be the case. I > can understand that there might be difference of opinion on starting > dates but why should there be any for rate of precision? This is > confusing to me. > > Regards, > Manu > > , " Graham Fox " > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > Hello Sateesh and Dadhi, > > I'd already noticed with a demo version of GJ that the moon was > > slightly out compared to other programs. I get 17/2 for Sateesh's > Ra- > > Mo with PL6, using Lahiri + 1°01. If you use the Krushna ayanamsha > > table calculator, with shifting rate of precession, 20/2 is > > doubtless right. There seems to be so much doubt about precise rate > > of precession, even among astronomers, and since our programs are > > all calculated in tropical and converted back, I don't think > > pinpointing dasha starts to the very day is very reliable -- best > to > > allow a margin of a few days, no? > > Best wishes > > Graham > > , " Dadhi " > > <denis@d...> wrote: > > > Dear Sateesh, > > > > > > Using Parashara Lights 4.03, Rahu-Moon starts on 20th of February > > (also Rahu-Mo-Mo etc.) > > > > > > All the best, > > > Dadhi > > > > > > > > > - > > > Sateesh Batas > > > > > > Saturday, January 31, 2004 11:29 AM > > > Request - software for Moon > > antra > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Using GJ 2.26, I have my Rahu-Moon antra starting on 13th Feb. > > > > > > Using JHL, it starts on 18th Feb. > > > > > > Could anyone with different softwares to these let me know when > > the Moon antra starts according to those programs? > > > > > > Please drill down to the lowest level you can, e.g. if your > > software has 5 levels of dasa, please look at > > > Rahu-Moon-Moon-Moon-Moon, rather than just Rahu-Moon (as this > > view may throw off the " true " start date, due to rounding off). > > > > > > Thanks - Sateesh. > > > > > > Apr 15,1973 > > > Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1 > > > Hounslow, England > > > Longitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29 > > > > > > Lagna using Krushna's ayanamsa - 28:56 Virgo - and Virgo rises > > in Navamsa too > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: > 31/01/2004 > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ --- > - > > ----------- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 Dear Graham Fox, The values given in the Ayanansha Sheet is rounded up the last Sec of the Ayanansha Value. If the last Sec is having more then .5 sec it is rounded to next. thanks krushna , " Graham Fox " <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > Hello Manu, Sateesh, Ash and all, > Coming back to this problem of precession rates in dating periods. I > recently observed that there are errors in the ayanamsha chart in > chapter 6 of files, and Margarita pointed out that this doesn't > matter as everyone uses programs. This is true, but if they want to > pinpoint dates really closely as Sateesh recently did (perhaps > unwisely?), I hope they also will check the Excel Krushna ayanamsha > sheet, as the rates of precession accelerate quite fast, and > programs do not account for this. > In fact, there is some very interesting stuff on the web from > dissident astronomers about precession, saying it doesn't actually > exist as most astronomers think. These new people (see " binary > research " , etc on web) develop the ideas of Sri Yukteswar, that our > solar system is in fact revolving around another star, maybe > Siruius, maybe an invisible " dwarf " , and that this is waht accounts > for the shifting positions of the fixed stars, the zodiacal " ages " > and the yuga. The orbit around this other star would be elliptical, > and the rate would vary between about 50 " /year at the farthest point > from the other star to 1°/year at the closest. We are currently > approaching, therefore accelerating. See for example: > www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/calculations/precession.shtml > or do a google on " Binary research " . > I find it interesting that the Krushna ayanamasha excel sheet is one > of the rare (only?) astrological tools available which seems to take > this current acceleration of " precession " into account. If we want > to be strict, it means checking the ayanamsha for the day of birth > with the sheet, and adjusting our programs specially for each chart. > I also notice that the rate of acceleration given in this excel > sheet is much faster than that given even by those astronomers who > want to prove the point that the acceleration is important (in the > excel sheet, it's about 0.01 " per 9 years, whereas on the web site > mentioned above there's a chart showing approx 0.005 " per 20-odd > years). > Does anyone know how this excel chart of accelerating values was > calculated? Do you use it in practice? > Many thanks for any information. > (The articles on the web on precession/binary research are very > interesting -- it seems to be a very muddled area in astronomy where > there is a MAJOR battle of ideas going on, with ancient Indian ideas > beginning to be accepted as showing greater coherence than the > accepted astromnomical dogmas. Usually in astrology -- sidereal and > tropical -- we just behave as if the problem doesn't exist.) > Best wishes to all > Graham > > > , " Manu Batura " > <manubatura> wrote: > > I got 2/18. That is very true Graham, precesion rate calculations > are > > so very different. But I see no reason why that should be the > case. I > > can understand that there might be difference of opinion on > starting > > dates but why should there be any for rate of precision? This is > > confusing to me. > > > > Regards, > > Manu > > > > , " Graham Fox " > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > Hello Sateesh and Dadhi, > > > I'd already noticed with a demo version of GJ that the moon was > > > slightly out compared to other programs. I get 17/2 for > Sateesh's > > Ra- > > > Mo with PL6, using Lahiri + 1°01. If you use the Krushna > ayanamsha > > > table calculator, with shifting rate of precession, 20/2 is > > > doubtless right. There seems to be so much doubt about precise > rate > > > of precession, even among astronomers, and since our programs > are > > > all calculated in tropical and converted back, I don't think > > > pinpointing dasha starts to the very day is very reliable -- > best > > to > > > allow a margin of a few days, no? > > > Best wishes > > > Graham > > > , " Dadhi " > > > <denis@d...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sateesh, > > > > > > > > Using Parashara Lights 4.03, Rahu-Moon starts on 20th of > February > > > (also Rahu-Mo-Mo etc.) > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > Dadhi > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Sateesh Batas > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 31, 2004 11:29 AM > > > > Request - software for > Moon > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Using GJ 2.26, I have my Rahu-Moon antra starting on 13th > Feb. > > > > > > > > Using JHL, it starts on 18th Feb. > > > > > > > > Could anyone with different softwares to these let me know > when > > > the Moon antra starts according to those programs? > > > > > > > > Please drill down to the lowest level you can, e.g. if your > > > software has 5 levels of dasa, please look at > > > > Rahu-Moon-Moon-Moon-Moon, rather than just Rahu-Moon (as > this > > > view may throw off the " true " start date, due to rounding off). > > > > > > > > Thanks - Sateesh. > > > > > > > > Apr 15,1973 > > > > Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1 > > > > Hounslow, England > > > > Longitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29 > > > > > > > > Lagna using Krushna's ayanamsa - 28:56 Virgo - and Virgo > rises > > > in Navamsa too > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: > > 31/01/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- - > --- > > - > > > ----------- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 Dear Krushna, Thank you very much for this information. Could I ask you what you consider to be roughly the acceleration rates for the precession value over a longer period of time? Do you agree with these " new " astronomers, who contest the current " orthodox " astronomical view, and who say it would vary from about 1° in 72 years (50 " /year) at the " bottom " of the cycle (probably when the sidereal and tropical zodiacs were the same in about 366 AD) to 1° in 60 years (1°/year) at the " top " of the cycle, probably some 12000 to 12900 years later? So we would now be just a little way up the " accelerating " half of the cycle. Do you also feel that it is advisable to always use the values given in the Excel Krushna Ayanamsha sheet, rather than counting on values produced by a computer program (simply on the basis of Lahiri -1°01' or Lahiri -1°0'55 " )? Many thanks if you have time to reply. Graham , " krushanain " <krushanain> wrote: > Dear Graham Fox, > The values given in the Ayanansha Sheet is rounded up the > last Sec of the Ayanansha Value. If the last Sec is having more > then .5 sec it is rounded to next. > thanks > krushna > > > , " Graham Fox " > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > Hello Manu, Sateesh, Ash and all, > > Coming back to this problem of precession rates in dating periods. > I > > recently observed that there are errors in the ayanamsha chart in > > chapter 6 of files, and Margarita pointed out that this doesn't > > matter as everyone uses programs. This is true, but if they want to > > pinpoint dates really closely as Sateesh recently did (perhaps > > unwisely?), I hope they also will check the Excel Krushna ayanamsha > > sheet, as the rates of precession accelerate quite fast, and > > programs do not account for this. > > In fact, there is some very interesting stuff on the web from > > dissident astronomers about precession, saying it doesn't actually > > exist as most astronomers think. These new people (see " binary > > research " , etc on web) develop the ideas of Sri Yukteswar, that our > > solar system is in fact revolving around another star, maybe > > Siruius, maybe an invisible " dwarf " , and that this is waht accounts > > for the shifting positions of the fixed stars, the zodiacal " ages " > > and the yuga. The orbit around this other star would be elliptical, > > and the rate would vary between about 50 " /year at the farthest > point > > from the other star to 1°/year at the closest. We are currently > > approaching, therefore accelerating. See for example: > > www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/calculations/precession.shtml > > or do a google on " Binary research " . > > I find it interesting that the Krushna ayanamasha excel sheet is > one > > of the rare (only?) astrological tools available which seems to > take > > this current acceleration of " precession " into account. If we want > > to be strict, it means checking the ayanamsha for the day of birth > > with the sheet, and adjusting our programs specially for each > chart. > > I also notice that the rate of acceleration given in this excel > > sheet is much faster than that given even by those astronomers who > > want to prove the point that the acceleration is important (in the > > excel sheet, it's about 0.01 " per 9 years, whereas on the web site > > mentioned above there's a chart showing approx 0.005 " per 20-odd > > years). > > Does anyone know how this excel chart of accelerating values was > > calculated? Do you use it in practice? > > Many thanks for any information. > > (The articles on the web on precession/binary research are very > > interesting -- it seems to be a very muddled area in astronomy > where > > there is a MAJOR battle of ideas going on, with ancient Indian > ideas > > beginning to be accepted as showing greater coherence than the > > accepted astromnomical dogmas. Usually in astrology -- sidereal and > > tropical -- we just behave as if the problem doesn't exist.) > > Best wishes to all > > Graham > > > > > > , " Manu Batura " > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > I got 2/18. That is very true Graham, precesion rate calculations > > are > > > so very different. But I see no reason why that should be the > > case. I > > > can understand that there might be difference of opinion on > > starting > > > dates but why should there be any for rate of precision? This is > > > confusing to me. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Manu > > > > > > , " Graham Fox " > > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > > Hello Sateesh and Dadhi, > > > > I'd already noticed with a demo version of GJ that the moon was > > > > slightly out compared to other programs. I get 17/2 for > > Sateesh's > > > Ra- > > > > Mo with PL6, using Lahiri + 1°01. If you use the Krushna > > ayanamsha > > > > table calculator, with shifting rate of precession, 20/2 is > > > > doubtless right. There seems to be so much doubt about precise > > rate > > > > of precession, even among astronomers, and since our programs > > are > > > > all calculated in tropical and converted back, I don't think > > > > pinpointing dasha starts to the very day is very reliable -- > > best > > > to > > > > allow a margin of a few days, no? > > > > Best wishes > > > > Graham > > > > , " Dadhi " > > > > <denis@d...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sateesh, > > > > > > > > > > Using Parashara Lights 4.03, Rahu-Moon starts on 20th of > > February > > > > (also Rahu-Mo-Mo etc.) > > > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > Dadhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Sateesh Batas > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 31, 2004 11:29 AM > > > > > Request - software for > > Moon > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > Using GJ 2.26, I have my Rahu-Moon antra starting on 13th > > Feb. > > > > > > > > > > Using JHL, it starts on 18th Feb. > > > > > > > > > > Could anyone with different softwares to these let me know > > when > > > > the Moon antra starts according to those programs? > > > > > > > > > > Please drill down to the lowest level you can, e.g. if your > > > > software has 5 levels of dasa, please look at > > > > > Rahu-Moon-Moon-Moon-Moon, rather than just Rahu-Moon (as > > this > > > > view may throw off the " true " start date, due to rounding off). > > > > > > > > > > Thanks - Sateesh. > > > > > > > > > > Apr 15,1973 > > > > > Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1 > > > > > Hounslow, England > > > > > Longitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29 > > > > > > > > > > Lagna using Krushna's ayanamsa - 28:56 Virgo - and Virgo > > rises > > > > in Navamsa too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: > > > 31/01/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------- --- > - > > --- > > > - > > > > ----------- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 Dear Graham, Sateesh and Manu, We should be checking the program ayanamsa with the one in the excel spreadsheet as given by Krushnaji. I do not know the algorithm that has been followed in different program. As Sateesh has pointed out and you have observed there can be some error creeping in nutations of Moon. Moon is very important in VA as we all know. That as you know determines the start of Vimshottari dasha. The difference in days that Sateesh is talking about might be due to that. The ayanamsa difference of some minute difference in seconds might change things by few hours however the errors creeping in finding the " exact " degree of moon cannot be overlooked. Cheers !!! Ash , " Graham Fox " <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > Dear Krushna, > Thank you very much for this information. > Could I ask you what you consider to be roughly the acceleration > rates for the precession value over a longer period of time? Do you > agree with these " new " astronomers, who contest the > current " orthodox " astronomical view, and who say it would vary from > about 1° in 72 years (50 " /year) at the " bottom " of the cycle > (probably when the sidereal and tropical zodiacs were the same in > about 366 AD) to 1° in 60 years (1°/year) at the " top " of the cycle, > probably some 12000 to 12900 years later? So we would now be just a > little way up the " accelerating " half of the cycle. > Do you also feel that it is advisable to always use the values given > in the Excel Krushna Ayanamsha sheet, rather than counting on values > produced by a computer program (simply on the basis of Lahiri -1° 01' > or Lahiri -1°0'55 " )? > Many thanks if you have time to reply. > Graham > > , " krushanain " > <krushanain> wrote: > > Dear Graham Fox, > > The values given in the Ayanansha Sheet is rounded up > the > > last Sec of the Ayanansha Value. If the last Sec is having more > > then .5 sec it is rounded to next. > > thanks > > krushna > > > > > > , " Graham Fox " > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > Hello Manu, Sateesh, Ash and all, > > > Coming back to this problem of precession rates in dating > periods. > > I > > > recently observed that there are errors in the ayanamsha chart > in > > > chapter 6 of files, and Margarita pointed out that this doesn't > > > matter as everyone uses programs. This is true, but if they want > to > > > pinpoint dates really closely as Sateesh recently did (perhaps > > > unwisely?), I hope they also will check the Excel Krushna > ayanamsha > > > sheet, as the rates of precession accelerate quite fast, and > > > programs do not account for this. > > > In fact, there is some very interesting stuff on the web from > > > dissident astronomers about precession, saying it doesn't > actually > > > exist as most astronomers think. These new people (see " binary > > > research " , etc on web) develop the ideas of Sri Yukteswar, that > our > > > solar system is in fact revolving around another star, maybe > > > Siruius, maybe an invisible " dwarf " , and that this is waht > accounts > > > for the shifting positions of the fixed stars, the > zodiacal " ages " > > > and the yuga. The orbit around this other star would be > elliptical, > > > and the rate would vary between about 50 " /year at the farthest > > point > > > from the other star to 1°/year at the closest. We are currently > > > approaching, therefore accelerating. See for example: > > > www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/calculations/precession.shtml > > > or do a google on " Binary research " . > > > I find it interesting that the Krushna ayanamasha excel sheet is > > one > > > of the rare (only?) astrological tools available which seems to > > take > > > this current acceleration of " precession " into account. If we > want > > > to be strict, it means checking the ayanamsha for the day of > birth > > > with the sheet, and adjusting our programs specially for each > > chart. > > > I also notice that the rate of acceleration given in this excel > > > sheet is much faster than that given even by those astronomers > who > > > want to prove the point that the acceleration is important (in > the > > > excel sheet, it's about 0.01 " per 9 years, whereas on the web > site > > > mentioned above there's a chart showing approx 0.005 " per 20- odd > > > years). > > > Does anyone know how this excel chart of accelerating values was > > > calculated? Do you use it in practice? > > > Many thanks for any information. > > > (The articles on the web on precession/binary research are very > > > interesting -- it seems to be a very muddled area in astronomy > > where > > > there is a MAJOR battle of ideas going on, with ancient Indian > > ideas > > > beginning to be accepted as showing greater coherence than the > > > accepted astromnomical dogmas. Usually in astrology -- sidereal > and > > > tropical -- we just behave as if the problem doesn't exist.) > > > Best wishes to all > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > , " Manu Batura " > > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > > I got 2/18. That is very true Graham, precesion rate > calculations > > > are > > > > so very different. But I see no reason why that should be the > > > case. I > > > > can understand that there might be difference of opinion on > > > starting > > > > dates but why should there be any for rate of precision? This > is > > > > confusing to me. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > , " Graham Fox " > > > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > > > Hello Sateesh and Dadhi, > > > > > I'd already noticed with a demo version of GJ that the moon > was > > > > > slightly out compared to other programs. I get 17/2 for > > > Sateesh's > > > > Ra- > > > > > Mo with PL6, using Lahiri + 1°01. If you use the Krushna > > > ayanamsha > > > > > table calculator, with shifting rate of precession, 20/2 is > > > > > doubtless right. There seems to be so much doubt about > precise > > > rate > > > > > of precession, even among astronomers, and since our > programs > > > are > > > > > all calculated in tropical and converted back, I don't think > > > > > pinpointing dasha starts to the very day is very reliable -- > > > best > > > > to > > > > > allow a margin of a few days, no? > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > Graham > > > > > , " Dadhi " > > > > > <denis@d...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sateesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Using Parashara Lights 4.03, Rahu-Moon starts on 20th of > > > February > > > > > (also Rahu-Mo-Mo etc.) > > > > > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Dadhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Sateesh Batas > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 31, 2004 11:29 AM > > > > > > Request - software > for > > > Moon > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Using GJ 2.26, I have my Rahu-Moon antra starting on > 13th > > > Feb. > > > > > > > > > > > > Using JHL, it starts on 18th Feb. > > > > > > > > > > > > Could anyone with different softwares to these let me > know > > > when > > > > > the Moon antra starts according to those programs? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please drill down to the lowest level you can, e.g. if > your > > > > > software has 5 levels of dasa, please look at > > > > > > Rahu-Moon-Moon-Moon-Moon, rather than just Rahu-Moon (as > > > this > > > > > view may throw off the " true " start date, due to rounding > off). > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks - Sateesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > Apr 15,1973 > > > > > > Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1 > > > > > > Hounslow, England > > > > > > Longitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29 > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna using Krushna's ayanamsa - 28:56 Virgo - and Virgo > > > rises > > > > > in Navamsa too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > > Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: > > > > 31/01/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- - > --- > > - > > > --- > > > > - > > > > > ----------- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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