Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Dear Ash, Manu and members.... > Manu has answered your question w.r.t. Sa being SD to Ve. They are> natural samdharmis. In Vedic Astrology these planets are yogakaraks> for each other. In KAS we consider them as natural Samdharmis.> Similarly for Mars and Moon and Mars and Sun. Thanks for this basic point. I just overlooked it, thinking only about functional SD. > Observe closely, Moon is with 3 bindus and Shani is with 2 bindus.> Here Moon in Malefic and if you go back to the conversation w.r.t> SD's of 4:10 here Boss is malefic as well as the subordinate is> malefic. They will help each other give malefic results. OK. > Here MOON will NOT HELP SHANI Give THE MOST AUSPICIOUS RESULT OF> DEATH. Here take off the points of Moon. Death is most auspicious.> > If you take off the points of Moon from Shani, Shani is left with 16> points. Guru however has 21 points so is strongest. Also Guru is> LoE for 6th as B so again eager to give results.> > Here we are talking off the points of Moon that shani gets for the> event of death because the points of Moon i.e. 15 points which we> added to Shani is the help that Moon gives shani for more malefic> results.> > I hope its clear. It is presented so nicely. Thank you. So, is the rule here in KAS that when both boss and subordinate are malefic, like in my case (Sa and Mo), then boss will not get points from subordinate ? If you have more time, I would like to see your attempt regarding death of my other grandmother (mother's mother). She died in period of: 1. Sa/Ma 2. Sa/Ra 3. Sa/Ju It was beggining of March. What would you say ? All the best, and thank you for giving nice explanations. Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Dear Dadhi, Think of it this way. When planet in 4th is with more points than planet in 10th AND planet is 10th is with less points i.e. 1,2,3 bindus then the 2 planets become samdhamri. For LoD or LoE the planet in 10th can have 4 bindus and planet in 4th from it can have 5,6,7 or 8 then too they become SD. That is the law. Now, SAMDHARMI means SAM = Similar and Dharmi = Duty. So what is the similar duty here. Both are malefic so both will HELP each other for similar things i.e. more malefic things. So for MAlefic things add the points that is the law. For death it is most auspicious event, do u think moon will help Shani give " MOST BENEFIC " event of death ? That is the reason we talk off those 15 points, as they are the strength given by Moon to HELP Shani give malefic result. However both are Samdharmi as per law i.e. both help each other.... for " what " that is different... I hope its clear. W.r.t your other question I shall answer later when I have some more free time. Cheers !!! Ash --- Dadhi <denis wrote: > Dear Ash, Manu and members.... > > > > Manu has answered your question w.r.t. Sa being SD > to Ve. They are > > natural samdharmis. In Vedic Astrology these > planets are yogakaraks > > for each other. In KAS we consider them as > natural Samdharmis. > > Similarly for Mars and Moon and Mars and Sun. > > > Thanks for this basic point. I just overlooked it, > thinking only about functional SD. > > > > Observe closely, Moon is with 3 bindus and Shani > is with 2 bindus. > > Here Moon in Malefic and if you go back to the > conversation w.r.t > > SD's of 4:10 here Boss is malefic as well as the > subordinate is > > malefic. They will help each other give malefic > results. > > > OK. > > > > Here MOON will NOT HELP SHANI Give THE MOST > AUSPICIOUS RESULT OF > > DEATH. Here take off the points of Moon. Death > is most auspicious. > > > > If you take off the points of Moon from Shani, > Shani is left with 16 > > points. Guru however has 21 points so is > strongest. Also Guru is > > LoE for 6th as B so again eager to give results. > > > > Here we are talking off the points of Moon that > shani gets for the > > event of death because the points of Moon i.e. 15 > points which we > > added to Shani is the help that Moon gives shani > for more malefic > > results. > > > > I hope its clear. > > > It is presented so nicely. Thank you. So, is the > rule here in KAS that when both boss and subordinate > are malefic, like in my case (Sa and Mo), then boss > will not get points from subordinate ? > > If you have more time, I would like to see your > attempt regarding death of my other grandmother > (mother's mother). She died in period of: > > 1. Sa/Ma > 2. Sa/Ra > 3. Sa/Ju > > It was beggining of March. > > What would you say ? > > All the best, and thank you for giving nice > explanations. > Dadhi > Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam./tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Dear Ash, Dadhi, Here are some doubts and my attempt: First of all, Sa Mahadasha only triggers hs2, hs3 and hs6. For this event, hs12 should trigger, so I don't know why this event happened in Sa Mahadasha. Answering from antras, neither ma, nor ra trigger hs12. And as per my data, sa/ju started only after 2003/5 so that is out of question. A more likely antra would be sa/mo that does trigger 12th and possible year seems to be 1998 (first sector). I would again need help I guess. There is another reasoning. sa/ma can give the event since, it triggers hs11 and it also implies that the death was due to accident. Will wait for your reply. Thanks & Regards, Manu , Ash Sam <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Dadhi, > Think of it this way. When planet in 4th is with more > points than planet in 10th AND planet is 10th is with > less points i.e. 1,2,3 bindus then the 2 planets > become samdhamri. For LoD or LoE the planet in 10th > can have 4 bindus and planet in 4th from it can have > 5,6,7 or 8 then too they become SD. > That is the law. > > Now, SAMDHARMI means SAM = Similar and Dharmi = Duty. > > So what is the similar duty here. Both are malefic so > both will HELP each other for similar things i.e. more > malefic things. > > So for MAlefic things add the points that is the law. > For death it is most auspicious event, do u think moon > will help Shani give " MOST BENEFIC " event of death ? > > That is the reason we talk off those 15 points, as > they are the strength given by Moon to HELP Shani give > malefic result. > > However both are Samdharmi as per law i.e. both help > each other.... for " what " that is different... > > I hope its clear. > > W.r.t your other question I shall answer later when I > have some more free time. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > --- Dadhi <denis@d...> wrote: > > Dear Ash, Manu and members.... > > > > > > > Manu has answered your question w.r.t. Sa being SD > > to Ve. They are > > > natural samdharmis. In Vedic Astrology these > > planets are yogakaraks > > > for each other. In KAS we consider them as > > natural Samdharmis. > > > Similarly for Mars and Moon and Mars and Sun. > > > > > > Thanks for this basic point. I just overlooked it, > > thinking only about functional SD. > > > > > > > Observe closely, Moon is with 3 bindus and Shani > > is with 2 bindus. > > > Here Moon in Malefic and if you go back to the > > conversation w.r.t > > > SD's of 4:10 here Boss is malefic as well as the > > subordinate is > > > malefic. They will help each other give malefic > > results. > > > > > > OK. > > > > > > > Here MOON will NOT HELP SHANI Give THE MOST > > AUSPICIOUS RESULT OF > > > DEATH. Here take off the points of Moon. Death > > is most auspicious. > > > > > > If you take off the points of Moon from Shani, > > Shani is left with 16 > > > points. Guru however has 21 points so is > > strongest. Also Guru is > > > LoE for 6th as B so again eager to give results. > > > > > > Here we are talking off the points of Moon that > > shani gets for the > > > event of death because the points of Moon i.e. 15 > > points which we > > > added to Shani is the help that Moon gives shani > > for more malefic > > > results. > > > > > > I hope its clear. > > > > > > It is presented so nicely. Thank you. So, is the > > rule here in KAS that when both boss and subordinate > > are malefic, like in my case (Sa and Mo), then boss > > will not get points from subordinate ? > > > > If you have more time, I would like to see your > > attempt regarding death of my other grandmother > > (mother's mother). She died in period of: > > > > 1. Sa/Ma > > 2. Sa/Ra > > 3. Sa/Ju > > > > It was beggining of March. > > > > What would you say ? > > > > All the best, and thank you for giving nice > > explanations. > > Dadhi > > > > > > > Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam./tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Dear Dadhi, Here is my attempt. I would think that your Grandmother expired in 1st 1/3rd sector of Rahu antra in Shani main as per your choices. Rahu = Venus. Venus has 13 points for 12th. Mars I feel cant give results due to it being SD to Mercury who is 10th from 5th i.e. Karak for life. As for MD being Shani it might not be natural death. Shani is NK for 4th and 5th and FK for 12th and 11th house. So there might have been hospitilization or some long term illness. Rahu's first 1/3rd sector is from 2000-Jul-13 thru 2001-Jun-25. You have given death happened in March. So I would say in the first 4 days of March the event might have happened i.e. 1st thru 4th March 2001. Looking forward to your reply. Cheers !!! Ash , " Dadhi " <denis@d...> wrote: > Dear Ash, Manu and members.... > > > > Manu has answered your question w.r.t. Sa being SD to Ve. They are > > natural samdharmis. In Vedic Astrology these planets are yogakaraks > > for each other. In KAS we consider them as natural Samdharmis. > > Similarly for Mars and Moon and Mars and Sun. > > > Thanks for this basic point. I just overlooked it, thinking only about functional SD. > > > > Observe closely, Moon is with 3 bindus and Shani is with 2 bindus. > > Here Moon in Malefic and if you go back to the conversation w.r.t > > SD's of 4:10 here Boss is malefic as well as the subordinate is > > malefic. They will help each other give malefic results. > > > OK. > > > > Here MOON will NOT HELP SHANI Give THE MOST AUSPICIOUS RESULT OF > > DEATH. Here take off the points of Moon. Death is most auspicious. > > > > If you take off the points of Moon from Shani, Shani is left with 16 > > points. Guru however has 21 points so is strongest. Also Guru is > > LoE for 6th as B so again eager to give results. > > > > Here we are talking off the points of Moon that shani gets for the > > event of death because the points of Moon i.e. 15 points which we > > added to Shani is the help that Moon gives shani for more malefic > > results. > > > > I hope its clear. > > > It is presented so nicely. Thank you. So, is the rule here in KAS that when both boss and subordinate are malefic, like in my case (Sa and Mo), then boss will not get points from subordinate ? > > If you have more time, I would like to see your attempt regarding death of my other grandmother (mother's mother). She died in period of: > > 1. Sa/Ma > 2. Sa/Ra > 3. Sa/Ju > > It was beggining of March. > > What would you say ? > > All the best, and thank you for giving nice explanations. > Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Thanks Ash for reference to Krushna's message on house for mother. I notice he seems quite open minded, and while prefering 3 for mother and 9 for father, he doesn't exclude absolutely the possibility of 4 representing mother and indeed 10 representing father. Just to suggest a way out of the problem raised by Manu about Sa MD triggering death of maternal grandmother: - If maternal grandmother is represented by H7 (4 from 4), then Sa MD Ld = Ld 9 (3rd from 7, triggering 8 from 7) as well as being SD to Ve (Ld of 1 triggering 6 which is 12 from 7) - so MD Ld could trigger death of maternal grandmother (if H7) by triggering either 6 or 2. Also, since Krushna does mention the North Indian approach of taking 4 for mother and 10 for father, I would just like to go back to the death of Dadhi's paternal grandmother, and point out that one of the very striking things in the transits over Dadhi's chart on 19 Feb is the very (5-10') applying conjunction of transiting retrograde Ju (Ld 8) to natal Venus. This was one of the things that led me to look in the direction of uncle/aunt (House 6, Libra). But notice that Venus is also Ld of 1, i.e. 4 from 10 (mother of father for some North Indian and most Western astrologers). The AD Ld is Jupiter (also the transiting planet conjunct natal Ve) Mercury is E for 12 and D for 8 (from 1 as perhaps representing paternal grandma). Ju is in navamsa of Mercury, and so can be SD for Mercury. (The D12 positions of Jupiter are also interesting: 8 from Venus and aspecting house 7). Jupiter is however very weak in WS for house 8, but is much stronger than Mercury for house 12, so maybe could substitute for Mercury to give effect of 12 (end of person represented by hse 1), and its transit would then also fit into the picture. Just a hypothesis! Must dash out now! Best wishes Graham , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: > Dear Ash, Dadhi, > > Here are some doubts and my attempt: > > First of all, Sa Mahadasha only triggers hs2, hs3 and hs6. > For this event, hs12 should trigger, so I don't know why this event > happened in Sa Mahadasha. > > Answering from antras, neither ma, nor ra trigger hs12. And as per my > data, sa/ju started only after 2003/5 so that is out of question. > > A more likely antra would be sa/mo that does trigger 12th and > possible year seems to be 1998 (first sector). > > I would again need help I guess. > > There is another reasoning. sa/ma can give the event since, it > triggers hs11 and it also implies that the death was due to accident. > > Will wait for your reply. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > > > , Ash Sam > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Dadhi, > > Think of it this way. When planet in 4th is with more > > points than planet in 10th AND planet is 10th is with > > less points i.e. 1,2,3 bindus then the 2 planets > > become samdhamri. For LoD or LoE the planet in 10th > > can have 4 bindus and planet in 4th from it can have > > 5,6,7 or 8 then too they become SD. > > That is the law. > > > > Now, SAMDHARMI means SAM = Similar and Dharmi = Duty. > > > > So what is the similar duty here. Both are malefic so > > both will HELP each other for similar things i.e. more > > malefic things. > > > > So for MAlefic things add the points that is the law. > > For death it is most auspicious event, do u think moon > > will help Shani give " MOST BENEFIC " event of death ? > > > > That is the reason we talk off those 15 points, as > > they are the strength given by Moon to HELP Shani give > > malefic result. > > > > However both are Samdharmi as per law i.e. both help > > each other.... for " what " that is different... > > > > I hope its clear. > > > > W.r.t your other question I shall answer later when I > > have some more free time. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > --- Dadhi <denis@d...> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, Manu and members.... > > > > > > > > > > Manu has answered your question w.r.t. Sa being SD > > > to Ve. They are > > > > natural samdharmis. In Vedic Astrology these > > > planets are yogakaraks > > > > for each other. In KAS we consider them as > > > natural Samdharmis. > > > > Similarly for Mars and Moon and Mars and Sun. > > > > > > > > > Thanks for this basic point. I just overlooked it, > > > thinking only about functional SD. > > > > > > > > > > Observe closely, Moon is with 3 bindus and Shani > > > is with 2 bindus. > > > > Here Moon in Malefic and if you go back to the > > > conversation w.r.t > > > > SD's of 4:10 here Boss is malefic as well as the > > > subordinate is > > > > malefic. They will help each other give malefic > > > results. > > > > > > > > > OK. > > > > > > > > > > Here MOON will NOT HELP SHANI Give THE MOST > > > AUSPICIOUS RESULT OF > > > > DEATH. Here take off the points of Moon. Death > > > is most auspicious. > > > > > > > > If you take off the points of Moon from Shani, > > > Shani is left with 16 > > > > points. Guru however has 21 points so is > > > strongest. Also Guru is > > > > LoE for 6th as B so again eager to give results. > > > > > > > > Here we are talking off the points of Moon that > > > shani gets for the > > > > event of death because the points of Moon i.e. 15 > > > points which we > > > > added to Shani is the help that Moon gives shani > > > for more malefic > > > > results. > > > > > > > > I hope its clear. > > > > > > > > > It is presented so nicely. Thank you. So, is the > > > rule here in KAS that when both boss and subordinate > > > are malefic, like in my case (Sa and Mo), then boss > > > will not get points from subordinate ? > > > > > > If you have more time, I would like to see your > > > attempt regarding death of my other grandmother > > > (mother's mother). She died in period of: > > > > > > 1. Sa/Ma > > > 2. Sa/Ra > > > 3. Sa/Ju > > > > > > It was beggining of March. > > > > > > What would you say ? > > > > > > All the best, and thank you for giving nice > > > explanations. > > > Dadhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > > http://antispam./tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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