Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Dear Dadhi, You are absolutely right. Death is a complex topic. We need to see so many things. Death can also be due to so many factors. First we need to get to understand basics and master those of this system. We still have to receive detailed lesson on topic of death. That is what I wrote in the first post that you gave to identify which family member died. There are so many other topics covered that we can practice on to learn the basics of the system. If you have any charts with data that has many life events like job, marriage, children, relationships, divorse, change of jobs, career, travels etc etc etc.. you can give it then we can try to see how things fit in. In that way we can practice the basics and try to understand what the chart and points are telling us. Your other chart that you gave on the list I have not forgotton. We will take it up when we get into Divisional charts. The reason being that when a lady marries in lowest significator then there are problems. In which area they will manifest you can see more clearly with D charts. Here 11th house and 5th house represent so many things then to get a more clear picture you can get from DCharts. Cheers !!! Ash , " Dadhi " <denis@d...> wrote: > > For Dadhi's second question I would have been a bit unorhtodox and > > plumped for Sa/Ju, but since he tells us it was beginning of March > > it must have been Sa/Ra! A bit too easy, Dadhi, no? But now we > > should try to pinpoint the date... > > > > Sometimes it seems to be very easy, but it is not so. My experience is that death is not an easy thing to predict. As far as I remember, even BV Raman said somewhere that this is not an easy part of jyotish. I think that we can use these examples to sharpen our understanding of KAS. > > Here, death happened in Sa/Ma period. > > Sorry for one wrong, but minor information - the death of the grandmother did not happen at the beggining of March, but around the middle. I have found it out later. (At the time of her death I was visiting India, so I had the wrong information). > > Now, I've the exact date of death and if you are enthusiastic, please try to find out, let's say, between 10-20 of March 2000, the exact day of death. > > If you think it is easy, or you want more excersises, I can give you additional dates of deaths in my family.... > > All the best, > Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Dear Dadhi, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that death or predicting it are easy. It was my fault for not noticing that Mars, as well as Rahu, was another possible AD with a bit of March in it. I mistakenly thought you'd given us 3 choices, only one of which was possible (Rahu). That was what I meant by " easy " . Sorry if I gave the wrong impression, and for not doing my homework properly. From a quick look, I can't see anything obvious to pinpoint the date between the 10th and 20th of March, I'll have a another look when I get back from work tonight. Thanks for these examples. Graham , " Dadhi " <denis@d...> wrote: > > For Dadhi's second question I would have been a bit unorhtodox and > > plumped for Sa/Ju, but since he tells us it was beginning of March > > it must have been Sa/Ra! A bit too easy, Dadhi, no? But now we > > should try to pinpoint the date... > > > > Sometimes it seems to be very easy, but it is not so. My experience is that death is not an easy thing to predict. As far as I remember, even BV Raman said somewhere that this is not an easy part of jyotish. I think that we can use these examples to sharpen our understanding of KAS. > > Here, death happened in Sa/Ma period. > > Sorry for one wrong, but minor information - the death of the grandmother did not happen at the beggining of March, but around the middle. I have found it out later. (At the time of her death I was visiting India, so I had the wrong information). > > Now, I've the exact date of death and if you are enthusiastic, please try to find out, let's say, between 10-20 of March 2000, the exact day of death. > > If you think it is easy, or you want more excersises, I can give you additional dates of deaths in my family.... > > All the best, > Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Dear Ash and Dadhi, I have a doubt in this regard. My understanding is that the samdharmi planets shall come forward for the triggering the event only when karak planet (or planet placed in A) is aspecting A/B/C. In this case since, Ma does not aspect A/B/C, I disregarded Sa in this case. Is this the correct thing to do? If we do otherwise, we will find that the mahadasha lord will start triggering so many houses at once enabling the mahadasha to give results related to many areas in life. For instance, in this case, Sa mahadasha will trigger hs1, hs2, hs3, hs5, hs6, hs7, hs9, hs11, and hs12. Now that seems too much! Kindly help. Thanks & Regards, Manu , " Dadhi " <denis@d...> wrote: > Dear Manu and members, > > > Here are some doubts and my attempt: > > > > First of all, Sa Mahadasha only triggers hs2, hs3 and hs6. > > For this event, hs12 should trigger, so I don't know why this event > > happened in Sa Mahadasha. > > > Since grandmother's lagna is 5th house, then MD for death should be of Ma or SD. Here, Sa is SD to Ma ( Sa in Sc in D-9) and will come and help Ma. > > > > Answering from antras, neither ma, nor ra trigger hs12. And as per my > > data, sa/ju started only after 2003/5 so that is out of question. > > > > A more likely antra would be sa/mo that does trigger 12th and > > possible year seems to be 1998 (first sector). > > > Yes, Sa/Ju started after 2003/5, so Ju antra is not relevant. Antra of Ma is correct answer.....March, 2000. > > > > I would again need help I guess. > > > > There is another reasoning. sa/ma can give the event since, it > > triggers hs11 and it also implies that the death was due to accident. > > > Death was not due to incident. It was natural. > > Thank you for the attempt.... > > All the best, > Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Hello Dadhi, Well here goes... I think the death of maternal grandmother could have been either morning of 14th or morning of 18th. I'm trying to work it out taking house 7 for grandmother (4 from 4), as for this case (perhaps not for others) that seems to work most simply, for the MD and AD rules. Otherwise, I've tried to follow KAS reasoning: - House B to trigger would probably be 2, or maybe 6 - Sun must be going through sign and NK of planet strong in WS for house B, but not those of AD Ld or Ld of 12 from B. Ma is strongest for 2 but is AD Ld. That leaves Ju Sa and Me for H2 and Sa Ju Mo for H6, or maybe Ra or Ke for H2(both SD to Ma by sign or NK); - Maybe similar rule applies to moon? Or maybe moon should transit house B or planet strong in WS for B? - On morning 14th, Su is in Aqu in NK of Ju; Mo is in Gem (House B) in NK of Rahu - On morning 18th, Su in Aqu in NK of Sa; Mo in Leo in NK Ke, transiting natal Jupiter. Just a try! Best wishes Graham , " Dadhi " <denis@d...> wrote: > > For Dadhi's second question I would have been a bit unorhtodox and > > plumped for Sa/Ju, but since he tells us it was beginning of March > > it must have been Sa/Ra! A bit too easy, Dadhi, no? But now we > > should try to pinpoint the date... > > > > Sometimes it seems to be very easy, but it is not so. My experience is that death is not an easy thing to predict. As far as I remember, even BV Raman said somewhere that this is not an easy part of jyotish. I think that we can use these examples to sharpen our understanding of KAS. > > Here, death happened in Sa/Ma period. > > Sorry for one wrong, but minor information - the death of the grandmother did not happen at the beggining of March, but around the middle. I have found it out later. (At the time of her death I was visiting India, so I had the wrong information). > > Now, I've the exact date of death and if you are enthusiastic, please try to find out, let's say, between 10-20 of March 2000, the exact day of death. > > If you think it is easy, or you want more excersises, I can give you additional dates of deaths in my family.... > > All the best, > Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Dear Manu, Yes you are absolutely correct, very good. If Main lord aspects house A or B or C then he himself cannot give results his samdharmi will step forward unless the planet is acting as SD and is coming forward. i.e if say its a powerful SD to say the strongest significator and that planet is aspecting A or B or C house then the planet can act as SD and try to give result. Now about MD, its shows karaktwa. Shani is NK for 5th and 4th house and also see for which house Shani is FK for. Also check if Shani is in any house with more than 4 bindus. If Shani is more than 4 bindus in any house then he will also act as Karak for the house its placed in. So major focus on life will be related to those events. Cheers !!! Ash , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: > Dear Ash and Dadhi, > > I have a doubt in this regard. > > My understanding is that the samdharmi planets shall come forward for > the triggering the event only when karak planet (or planet placed in > A) is aspecting A/B/C. In this case since, Ma does not aspect A/B/C, > I disregarded Sa in this case. Is this the correct thing to do? > > If we do otherwise, we will find that the mahadasha lord will start > triggering so many houses at once enabling the mahadasha to give > results related to many areas in life. For instance, in this case, Sa > mahadasha will trigger hs1, hs2, hs3, hs5, hs6, hs7, hs9, hs11, and > hs12. Now that seems too much! > > Kindly help. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > , " Dadhi " <denis@d...> > wrote: > > Dear Manu and members, > > > > > Here are some doubts and my attempt: > > > > > > First of all, Sa Mahadasha only triggers hs2, hs3 and hs6. > > > For this event, hs12 should trigger, so I don't know why this > event > > > happened in Sa Mahadasha. > > > > > > Since grandmother's lagna is 5th house, then MD for death should be > of Ma or SD. Here, Sa is SD to Ma ( Sa in Sc in D-9) and will come > and help Ma. > > > > > > > Answering from antras, neither ma, nor ra trigger hs12. And as > per my > > > data, sa/ju started only after 2003/5 so that is out of question. > > > > > > A more likely antra would be sa/mo that does trigger 12th and > > > possible year seems to be 1998 (first sector). > > > > > > Yes, Sa/Ju started after 2003/5, so Ju antra is not relevant. Antra > of Ma is correct answer.....March, 2000. > > > > > > > I would again need help I guess. > > > > > > There is another reasoning. sa/ma can give the event since, it > > > triggers hs11 and it also implies that the death was due to > accident. > > > > > > Death was not due to incident. It was natural. > > > > Thank you for the attempt.... > > > > All the best, > > Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Hi Ash -- Isn't Saturn rather NK for 3rd and 4th houses? Thanks Graham , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manu, > > Yes you are absolutely correct, very good. If Main lord aspects > house A or B or C then he himself cannot give results his samdharmi > will step forward unless the planet is acting as SD and is coming > forward. i.e if say its a powerful SD to say the strongest > significator and that planet is aspecting A or B or C house then the > planet can act as SD and try to give result. > > Now about MD, its shows karaktwa. Shani is NK for 5th and 4th house > and also see for which house Shani is FK for. Also check if Shani is > in any house with more than 4 bindus. If Shani is more than 4 bindus > in any house then he will also act as Karak for the house its placed > in. So major focus on life will be related to those events. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , " Manu Batura " > <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Ash and Dadhi, > > > > I have a doubt in this regard. > > > > My understanding is that the samdharmi planets shall come forward > for > > the triggering the event only when karak planet (or planet placed > in > > A) is aspecting A/B/C. In this case since, Ma does not aspect > A/B/C, > > I disregarded Sa in this case. Is this the correct thing to do? > > > > If we do otherwise, we will find that the mahadasha lord will start > > triggering so many houses at once enabling the mahadasha to give > > results related to many areas in life. For instance, in this case, > Sa > > mahadasha will trigger hs1, hs2, hs3, hs5, hs6, hs7, hs9, hs11, and > > hs12. Now that seems too much! > > > > Kindly help. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > , " Dadhi " > <denis@d...> > > wrote: > > > Dear Manu and members, > > > > > > > Here are some doubts and my attempt: > > > > > > > > First of all, Sa Mahadasha only triggers hs2, hs3 and hs6. > > > > For this event, hs12 should trigger, so I don't know why this > > event > > > > happened in Sa Mahadasha. > > > > > > > > > Since grandmother's lagna is 5th house, then MD for death should > be > > of Ma or SD. Here, Sa is SD to Ma ( Sa in Sc in D-9) and will come > > and help Ma. > > > > > > > > > > Answering from antras, neither ma, nor ra trigger hs12. And as > > per my > > > > data, sa/ju started only after 2003/5 so that is out of > question. > > > > > > > > A more likely antra would be sa/mo that does trigger 12th and > > > > possible year seems to be 1998 (first sector). > > > > > > > > > Yes, Sa/Ju started after 2003/5, so Ju antra is not relevant. > Antra > > of Ma is correct answer.....March, 2000. > > > > > > > > > > I would again need help I guess. > > > > > > > > There is another reasoning. sa/ma can give the event since, it > > > > triggers hs11 and it also implies that the death was due to > > accident. > > > > > > > > > Death was not due to incident. It was natural. > > > > > > Thank you for the attempt.... > > > > > > All the best, > > > Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Dear Graham, Yes, you are right. My appologies. Cheers !!! Ash , " Graham Fox " <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > Hi Ash -- Isn't Saturn rather NK for 3rd and 4th houses? > Thanks > Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 Dear Dadhi, I presume that since you haven't answered, I was wrong about the date of your maternal grandmother's death (see message 6379: " I think the death of maternal grandmother could have been either morning of 14th or morning of 18th " ). Could you just confirm? Thanks Graham , " Graham Fox " <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > Hello Dadhi, > Well here goes... I think the death of maternal grandmother could > have been either morning of 14th or morning of 18th. I'm trying to > work it out taking house 7 for grandmother (4 from 4), as for this > case (perhaps not for others) that seems to work most simply, for > the MD and AD rules. Otherwise, I've tried to follow KAS reasoning: > - House B to trigger would probably be 2, or maybe 6 > - Sun must be going through sign and NK of planet strong in WS for > house B, but not those of AD Ld or Ld of 12 from B. Ma is strongest > for 2 but is AD Ld. That leaves Ju Sa and Me for H2 and Sa Ju Mo > for H6, or maybe Ra or Ke for H2(both SD to Ma by sign or NK); > - Maybe similar rule applies to moon? Or maybe moon should transit > house B or planet strong in WS for B? > - On morning 14th, Su is in Aqu in NK of Ju; Mo is in Gem (House B) > in NK of Rahu > - On morning 18th, Su in Aqu in NK of Sa; Mo in Leo in NK Ke, > transiting natal Jupiter. > Just a try! > Best wishes > Graham > > , " Dadhi " > <denis@d...> wrote: > > > For Dadhi's second question I would have been a bit unorhtodox > and > > > plumped for Sa/Ju, but since he tells us it was beginning of > March > > > it must have been Sa/Ra! A bit too easy, Dadhi, no? But now we > > > should try to pinpoint the date... > > > > > > > > Sometimes it seems to be very easy, but it is not so. My > experience is that death is not an easy thing to predict. As far as > I remember, even BV Raman said somewhere that this is not an easy > part of jyotish. I think that we can use these examples to sharpen > our understanding of KAS. > > > > Here, death happened in Sa/Ma period. > > > > Sorry for one wrong, but minor information - the death of the > grandmother did not happen at the beggining of March, but around the > middle. I have found it out later. (At the time of her death I was > visiting India, so I had the wrong information). > > > > Now, I've the exact date of death and if you are enthusiastic, > please try to find out, let's say, between 10-20 of March 2000, the > exact day of death. > > > > If you think it is easy, or you want more excersises, I can give > you additional dates of deaths in my family.... > > > > All the best, > > Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 >Well here goes... I think the death of maternal grandmother could >have been either morning of 14th or morning of 18th. I'm trying to >Just a try! Dear Graham, Sorry for late answer. I was busy.... Reg. death, good try, but one thing is important: Su can not be in Aq on 14th or 18th. Anyway, neither 14th or 18th is right. All the best, Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 Dadhi -- Quite right, sorry for that blunder, it's using circular transit charts catches me out, I'm used to my own with Aries rising. Thanks for information -- maybe someone else would like to try. I really don't know how things should be narrowed down that closely in the KAS. Best wishes Graham , " Dadhi " <denis@d...> wrote: > > >Well here goes... I think the death of maternal grandmother could > >have been either morning of 14th or morning of 18th. I'm trying to > >Just a try! > > > > Dear Graham, > > Sorry for late answer. I was busy.... > > Reg. death, good try, but one thing is important: Su can not be in Aq on 14th or 18th. > > Anyway, neither 14th or 18th is right. > > All the best, > Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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