Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 Dear Krushnaji and List, I had an opportunity to ask Krushnaji about this topic and wanted to share some hints that Krushnaji gave me. I am trying to frame them in 1 email with some guidance that was given and some hints from past emails. Death is the last topic and probably the most complex and we must wait for a detailed lesson. There are many factors to consider. For that first we must understand what points are telling us and must have good graps of the system. 1) Events that impact the native can be seen from the natives chart. 2) Sometimes even mother and fathers if their deaths do not impact the natvie might not be seen clearly. 3) About father in law, mother in law etc might not be clearly seen in natives chart for that the chart of wife/husband must be checked. 4) We also must be clear if the person is real father/mother of the native and his or her death impacts the native. 5) Sometimes even brother and sisters death cant be clearly seen in the chart of the native if it does not affect or impact the native. To study the technicalities w.r.t. to death and using KAS for that we must wait for the lesson. From the little hints that we have had in the past here are some things. 1) Mahadasha is important as it shows Karaktwa and reason for death. 8th house is for death. So Karak for death (reason) is 3rd house. So IF death happens in 3rd lords MD or its SD then it might be natural death. The definition of natural death might become more clear when we get lesson. 2) AD for death is generally the strongest significator in WS or Row 17 in WS for 8th house or LoD or LoE i.e. lagna lord of 5th lord or planets in lagna or 5th house with more bindus (>4). 3) If death happens due to Accident then death is due to matters of 7th house. So Karak for 7th house is 2nd. So MD might be 2nd lord or its SD. 4) Death due to hanging or imprisonment might be due to 12th house. Its Karak might be 7th lord or its SD so in MD of 7th lord or its SD might show that reason. Now coming back to the reference of Dadhis charts that he gave I do not know how much impact the 2 deaths had on Dadhi himself as we are studying his chart. Coming to practicality of finding death. Its my opinion that it serves no purpose except to verify the correctness of birth time. It is better that we study charts of people who are already dead. Krushnaji, Please point out if I have misunderstood or missed any important point. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 Dear Ash, the death of any person is indicated by 8th house (house B). House 'C' indicates the type of result. House C is always house 12th from the person. For Father 9th house denotes father. and house C for his death is 8th, which also indicates hereditary property. (Death of the father Ha = 11th Hb 4th and Hc = 8th house) For mother indicated by 3rd house, and house C for death of mother is 2nd house, which is house of wealth for the jatak. From this we can say that the the death of father or mother have some effect on the life of chart owner. For other relatives say grand father or grand grand father is not indicated. Other wise we can go upto eve and Adam. krushna --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Krushnaji and List, I had an opportunity to ask Krushnaji about this topic and wanted to share some hints that Krushnaji gave me. I am trying to frame them in 1 email with some guidance that was given and some hints from past emails. Death is the last topic and probably the most complex and we must wait for a detailed lesson. There are many factors to consider. For that first we must understand what points are telling us and must have good graps of the system. 1) Events that impact the native can be seen from the natives chart. 2) Sometimes even mother and fathers if their deaths do not impact the natvie might not be seen clearly. 3) About father in law, mother in law etc might not be clearly seen in natives chart for that the chart of wife/husband must be checked. 4) We also must be clear if the person is real father/mother of the native and his or her death impacts the native. 5) Sometimes even brother and sisters death cant be clearly seen in the chart of the native if it does not affect or impact the native. To study the technicalities w.r.t. to death and using KAS for that we must wait for the lesson. From the little hints that we have had in the past here are some things. 1) Mahadasha is important as it shows Karaktwa and reason for death. 8th house is for death. So Karak for death (reason) is 3rd house. So IF death happens in 3rd lords MD or its SD then it might be natural death. The definition of natural death might become more clear when we get lesson. 2) AD for death is generally the strongest significator in WS or Row 17 in WS for 8th house or LoD or LoE i.e. lagna lord of 5th lord or planets in lagna or 5th house with more bindus (>4). 3) If death happens due to Accident then death is due to matters of 7th house. So Karak for 7th house is 2nd. So MD might be 2nd lord or its SD. 4) Death due to hanging or imprisonment might be due to 12th house. Its Karak might be 7th lord or its SD so in MD of 7th lord or its SD might show that reason. Now coming back to the reference of Dadhis charts that he gave I do not know how much impact the 2 deaths had on Dadhi himself as we are studying his chart. Coming to practicality of finding death. Its my opinion that it serves no purpose except to verify the correctness of birth time. It is better that we study charts of people who are already dead. Krushnaji, Please point out if I have misunderstood or missed any important point. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 Thank you Krushna and Ash for clarifying things on this subject. There is a lot to think about. I quite agree with Ash that predicting death is not what we should be doing, but that deaths can sometimes maybe help with rectifying a chart. Thank you Krushna for making it clear that we can go wrong if we use derived houses for memebers of the family: it seems we should stop at parents. With a view to rectification of ascendant, I would still be interested if anyone has an idea about my question concerning which house/houses might be being activated when someone enters a new MD/AD and suddenly finds themselves going to a funeral of friend or family almost every week -- as is the case with my friend since entering Sa/Sa. Many thanks for any possible help. Graham , krushna jugalkalani <krushanain> wrote: > Dear Ash, > the death of any person is indicated by 8th > house (house B). House 'C' indicates the type of > result. House C is always house 12th from the person. > For Father 9th house denotes father. and house > C for his death is 8th, which also indicates > hereditary property. (Death of the father Ha = 11th Hb > 4th and Hc = 8th house) > For mother indicated by 3rd house, and house C > for death of mother is 2nd house, which is house of > wealth for the jatak. > From this we can say that the the death of > father or mother have some effect on the life of chart > owner. > For other relatives say grand father or grand > grand father is not indicated. Other wise we can go > upto eve and Adam. > krushna > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji and List, > > I had an opportunity to ask Krushnaji about this topic > and wanted to > share some hints that Krushnaji gave me. I am trying > to frame them > in 1 email with some guidance that was given and some > hints from past > emails. > > Death is the last topic and probably the most complex > and we must > wait for a detailed lesson. There are many factors to > consider. For > that first we must understand what points are telling > us and must > have good graps of the system. > > 1) Events that impact the native can be seen from the > natives chart. > 2) Sometimes even mother and fathers if their deaths > do not impact > the natvie might not be seen clearly. > 3) About father in law, mother in law etc might not be > clearly seen > in natives chart for that the chart of wife/husband > must be checked. > 4) We also must be clear if the person is real > father/mother of the > native and his or her death impacts the native. > 5) Sometimes even brother and sisters death cant be > clearly seen in > the chart of the native if it does not affect or > impact the native. > > To study the technicalities w.r.t. to death and using > KAS for that we > must wait for the lesson. > > From the little hints that we have had in the past > here are some > things. > > 1) Mahadasha is important as it shows Karaktwa and > reason for death. > > 8th house is for death. So Karak for death (reason) > is 3rd house. > So IF death happens in 3rd lords MD or its SD then it > might be > natural death. The definition of natural death might > become more > clear when we get lesson. > > 2) AD for death is generally the strongest > significator in WS or Row > 17 in WS for 8th house or LoD or LoE i.e. lagna lord > of 5th lord or > planets in lagna or 5th house with more bindus (>4). > > 3) If death happens due to Accident then death is due > to matters of > 7th house. So Karak for 7th house is 2nd. So MD > might be 2nd lord > or its SD. > > 4) Death due to hanging or imprisonment might be due > to 12th house. > Its Karak might be 7th lord or its SD so in MD of 7th > lord or its SD > might show that reason. > > > Now coming back to the reference of Dadhis charts that > he gave I do > not know how much impact the 2 deaths had on Dadhi > himself as we are > studying his chart. > > Coming to practicality of finding death. Its my > opinion that it > serves no purpose except to verify the correctness of > birth time. It > is better that we study charts of people who are > already dead. > > Krushnaji, Please point out if I have misunderstood or > missed any > important point. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 Dear Graham, If happiness is less from Friends (11th house) or Family (2nd house) maybe those houses might reflect low points. Is Shani 9th lord or SD to 9th lord. Cheers !!! Ash , " Graham Fox " <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > Thank you Krushna and Ash for clarifying things on this subject. > There is a lot to think about. I quite agree with Ash that > predicting death is not what we should be doing, but that deaths can > sometimes maybe help with rectifying a chart. > Thank you Krushna for making it clear that we can go wrong if we use > derived houses for memebers of the family: it seems we should stop > at parents. > With a view to rectification of ascendant, I would still be > interested if anyone has an idea about my question concerning which > house/houses might be being activated when someone enters a new > MD/AD and suddenly finds themselves going to a funeral of friend or > family almost every week -- as is the case with my friend since > entering Sa/Sa. > Many thanks for any possible help. > Graham > > , krushna jugalkalani > <krushanain> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > the death of any person is indicated by 8th > > house (house B). House 'C' indicates the type of > > result. House C is always house 12th from the person. > > For Father 9th house denotes father. and house > > C for his death is 8th, which also indicates > > hereditary property. (Death of the father Ha = 11th Hb > > 4th and Hc = 8th house) > > For mother indicated by 3rd house, and house C > > for death of mother is 2nd house, which is house of > > wealth for the jatak. > > From this we can say that the the death of > > father or mother have some effect on the life of chart > > owner. > > For other relatives say grand father or grand > > grand father is not indicated. Other wise we can go > > upto eve and Adam. > > krushna > > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji and List, > > > > I had an opportunity to ask Krushnaji about this topic > > and wanted to > > share some hints that Krushnaji gave me. I am trying > > to frame them > > in 1 email with some guidance that was given and some > > hints from past > > emails. > > > > Death is the last topic and probably the most complex > > and we must > > wait for a detailed lesson. There are many factors to > > consider. For > > that first we must understand what points are telling > > us and must > > have good graps of the system. > > > > 1) Events that impact the native can be seen from the > > natives chart. > > 2) Sometimes even mother and fathers if their deaths > > do not impact > > the natvie might not be seen clearly. > > 3) About father in law, mother in law etc might not be > > clearly seen > > in natives chart for that the chart of wife/husband > > must be checked. > > 4) We also must be clear if the person is real > > father/mother of the > > native and his or her death impacts the native. > > 5) Sometimes even brother and sisters death cant be > > clearly seen in > > the chart of the native if it does not affect or > > impact the native. > > > > To study the technicalities w.r.t. to death and using > > KAS for that we > > must wait for the lesson. > > > > From the little hints that we have had in the past > > here are some > > things. > > > > 1) Mahadasha is important as it shows Karaktwa and > > reason for death. > > > > 8th house is for death. So Karak for death (reason) > > is 3rd house. > > So IF death happens in 3rd lords MD or its SD then it > > might be > > natural death. The definition of natural death might > > become more > > clear when we get lesson. > > > > 2) AD for death is generally the strongest > > significator in WS or Row > > 17 in WS for 8th house or LoD or LoE i.e. lagna lord > > of 5th lord or > > planets in lagna or 5th house with more bindus (>4). > > > > 3) If death happens due to Accident then death is due > > to matters of > > 7th house. So Karak for 7th house is 2nd. So MD > > might be 2nd lord > > or its SD. > > > > 4) Death due to hanging or imprisonment might be due > > to 12th house. > > Its Karak might be 7th lord or its SD so in MD of 7th > > lord or its SD > > might show that reason. > > > > > > Now coming back to the reference of Dadhis charts that > > he gave I do > > not know how much impact the 2 deaths had on Dadhi > > himself as we are > > studying his chart. > > > > Coming to practicality of finding death. Its my > > opinion that it > > serves no purpose except to verify the correctness of > > birth time. It > > is better that we study charts of people who are > > already dead. > > > > Krushnaji, Please point out if I have misunderstood or > > missed any > > important point. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 Dear Krushnaji, Thank you very much for your answer. Cheers !!! Ash , krushna jugalkalani <krushanain> wrote: > Dear Ash, > the death of any person is indicated by 8th > house (house B). House 'C' indicates the type of > result. House C is always house 12th from the person. > For Father 9th house denotes father. and house > C for his death is 8th, which also indicates > hereditary property. (Death of the father Ha = 11th Hb > 4th and Hc = 8th house) > For mother indicated by 3rd house, and house C > for death of mother is 2nd house, which is house of > wealth for the jatak. > From this we can say that the the death of > father or mother have some effect on the life of chart > owner. > For other relatives say grand father or grand > grand father is not indicated. Other wise we can go > upto eve and Adam. > krushna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 Dear Ash, For ascendant Gemini, the most likely in my opinion and according to time given by mother, Shani is indeed 9th lord, in 7th. (Female, born Casablanca, Morocco (33N35/O7W36) on 27th August 1959 at 2h45 am according to her mother -- or just possibly, if her mother was confusing her with another child, at 3h15 (i.e. probably quarter TO 3 but possibly quarter PAST 3.) Her only child (daughter) born 30/9/86. Older brother died suddenly from heart attack, abroad, 23/7/98.) You recently referred to a discussion between Krushna and Denis Labouré concerning the death in an accident of Denis' father. I've looked, but I haven't been able to find those messages. Do you have their numbers? Also, is there any rationale for the 7th being the house for accidental death, or is it just " one of those things " ? Many thanks Graham , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Graham, > If happiness is less from Friends (11th house) or Family (2nd house) > maybe those houses might reflect low points. > Is Shani 9th lord or SD to 9th lord. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Graham Fox " > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > Thank you Krushna and Ash for clarifying things on this subject. > > There is a lot to think about. I quite agree with Ash that > > predicting death is not what we should be doing, but that deaths > can > > sometimes maybe help with rectifying a chart. > > Thank you Krushna for making it clear that we can go wrong if we > use > > derived houses for memebers of the family: it seems we should stop > > at parents. > > With a view to rectification of ascendant, I would still be > > interested if anyone has an idea about my question concerning which > > house/houses might be being activated when someone enters a new > > MD/AD and suddenly finds themselves going to a funeral of friend or > > family almost every week -- as is the case with my friend since > > entering Sa/Sa. > > Many thanks for any possible help. > > Graham > > > > , krushna > jugalkalani > > <krushanain> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > the death of any person is indicated by 8th > > > house (house B). House 'C' indicates the type of > > > result. House C is always house 12th from the person. > > > For Father 9th house denotes father. and house > > > C for his death is 8th, which also indicates > > > hereditary property. (Death of the father Ha = 11th Hb > > > 4th and Hc = 8th house) > > > For mother indicated by 3rd house, and house C > > > for death of mother is 2nd house, which is house of > > > wealth for the jatak. > > > From this we can say that the the death of > > > father or mother have some effect on the life of chart > > > owner. > > > For other relatives say grand father or grand > > > grand father is not indicated. Other wise we can go > > > upto eve and Adam. > > > krushna > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji and List, > > > > > > I had an opportunity to ask Krushnaji about this topic > > > and wanted to > > > share some hints that Krushnaji gave me. I am trying > > > to frame them > > > in 1 email with some guidance that was given and some > > > hints from past > > > emails. > > > > > > Death is the last topic and probably the most complex > > > and we must > > > wait for a detailed lesson. There are many factors to > > > consider. For > > > that first we must understand what points are telling > > > us and must > > > have good graps of the system. > > > > > > 1) Events that impact the native can be seen from the > > > natives chart. > > > 2) Sometimes even mother and fathers if their deaths > > > do not impact > > > the natvie might not be seen clearly. > > > 3) About father in law, mother in law etc might not be > > > clearly seen > > > in natives chart for that the chart of wife/husband > > > must be checked. > > > 4) We also must be clear if the person is real > > > father/mother of the > > > native and his or her death impacts the native. > > > 5) Sometimes even brother and sisters death cant be > > > clearly seen in > > > the chart of the native if it does not affect or > > > impact the native. > > > > > > To study the technicalities w.r.t. to death and using > > > KAS for that we > > > must wait for the lesson. > > > > > > From the little hints that we have had in the past > > > here are some > > > things. > > > > > > 1) Mahadasha is important as it shows Karaktwa and > > > reason for death. > > > > > > 8th house is for death. So Karak for death (reason) > > > is 3rd house. > > > So IF death happens in 3rd lords MD or its SD then it > > > might be > > > natural death. The definition of natural death might > > > become more > > > clear when we get lesson. > > > > > > 2) AD for death is generally the strongest > > > significator in WS or Row > > > 17 in WS for 8th house or LoD or LoE i.e. lagna lord > > > of 5th lord or > > > planets in lagna or 5th house with more bindus (>4). > > > > > > 3) If death happens due to Accident then death is due > > > to matters of > > > 7th house. So Karak for 7th house is 2nd. So MD > > > might be 2nd lord > > > or its SD. > > > > > > 4) Death due to hanging or imprisonment might be due > > > to 12th house. > > > Its Karak might be 7th lord or its SD so in MD of 7th > > > lord or its SD > > > might show that reason. > > > > > > > > > Now coming back to the reference of Dadhis charts that > > > he gave I do > > > not know how much impact the 2 deaths had on Dadhi > > > himself as we are > > > studying his chart. > > > > > > Coming to practicality of finding death. Its my > > > opinion that it > > > serves no purpose except to verify the correctness of > > > birth time. It > > > is better that we study charts of people who are > > > already dead. > > > > > > Krushnaji, Please point out if I have misunderstood or > > > missed any > > > important point. > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 Dear Graham, 7th house denotes accident and its Karak is 2nd house. These houses are called Marak houses for this reason as they can cause death. In KAS its considered in this way. I did not understand your comment about " one of those things " ? Cheers !!! Ash , " Graham Fox " <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > Dear Ash, > For ascendant Gemini, the most likely in my opinion and according to > time given by mother, Shani is indeed 9th lord, in 7th. > (Female, born Casablanca, Morocco (33N35/O7W36) on 27th August 1959 > at 2h45 am according to her mother -- or just possibly, if her > mother was confusing her with another child, at 3h15 (i.e. probably > quarter TO 3 but possibly quarter PAST 3.) Her only child (daughter) > born 30/9/86. Older brother died suddenly from heart attack, abroad, > 23/7/98.) > You recently referred to a discussion between Krushna and Denis > Labouré concerning the death in an accident of Denis' father. I've > looked, but I haven't been able to find those messages. Do you have > their numbers? Also, is there any rationale for the 7th being the > house for accidental death, or is it just " one of those things " ? > Many thanks > Graham > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Graham, > > If happiness is less from Friends (11th house) or Family (2nd > house) > > maybe those houses might reflect low points. > > Is Shani 9th lord or SD to 9th lord. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " Graham Fox " > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > Thank you Krushna and Ash for clarifying things on this subject. > > > There is a lot to think about. I quite agree with Ash that > > > predicting death is not what we should be doing, but that deaths > > can > > > sometimes maybe help with rectifying a chart. > > > Thank you Krushna for making it clear that we can go wrong if we > > use > > > derived houses for memebers of the family: it seems we should > stop > > > at parents. > > > With a view to rectification of ascendant, I would still be > > > interested if anyone has an idea about my question concerning > which > > > house/houses might be being activated when someone enters a new > > > MD/AD and suddenly finds themselves going to a funeral of friend > or > > > family almost every week -- as is the case with my friend since > > > entering Sa/Sa. > > > Many thanks for any possible help. > > > Graham > > > > > > , krushna > > jugalkalani > > > <krushanain> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > the death of any person is indicated by 8th > > > > house (house B). House 'C' indicates the type of > > > > result. House C is always house 12th from the person. > > > > For Father 9th house denotes father. and house > > > > C for his death is 8th, which also indicates > > > > hereditary property. (Death of the father Ha = 11th Hb > > > > 4th and Hc = 8th house) > > > > For mother indicated by 3rd house, and house C > > > > for death of mother is 2nd house, which is house of > > > > wealth for the jatak. > > > > From this we can say that the the death of > > > > father or mother have some effect on the life of chart > > > > owner. > > > > For other relatives say grand father or grand > > > > grand father is not indicated. Other wise we can go > > > > upto eve and Adam. > > > > krushna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji and List, > > > > > > > > I had an opportunity to ask Krushnaji about this topic > > > > and wanted to > > > > share some hints that Krushnaji gave me. I am trying > > > > to frame them > > > > in 1 email with some guidance that was given and some > > > > hints from past > > > > emails. > > > > > > > > Death is the last topic and probably the most complex > > > > and we must > > > > wait for a detailed lesson. There are many factors to > > > > consider. For > > > > that first we must understand what points are telling > > > > us and must > > > > have good graps of the system. > > > > > > > > 1) Events that impact the native can be seen from the > > > > natives chart. > > > > 2) Sometimes even mother and fathers if their deaths > > > > do not impact > > > > the natvie might not be seen clearly. > > > > 3) About father in law, mother in law etc might not be > > > > clearly seen > > > > in natives chart for that the chart of wife/husband > > > > must be checked. > > > > 4) We also must be clear if the person is real > > > > father/mother of the > > > > native and his or her death impacts the native. > > > > 5) Sometimes even brother and sisters death cant be > > > > clearly seen in > > > > the chart of the native if it does not affect or > > > > impact the native. > > > > > > > > To study the technicalities w.r.t. to death and using > > > > KAS for that we > > > > must wait for the lesson. > > > > > > > > From the little hints that we have had in the past > > > > here are some > > > > things. > > > > > > > > 1) Mahadasha is important as it shows Karaktwa and > > > > reason for death. > > > > > > > > 8th house is for death. So Karak for death (reason) > > > > is 3rd house. > > > > So IF death happens in 3rd lords MD or its SD then it > > > > might be > > > > natural death. The definition of natural death might > > > > become more > > > > clear when we get lesson. > > > > > > > > 2) AD for death is generally the strongest > > > > significator in WS or Row > > > > 17 in WS for 8th house or LoD or LoE i.e. lagna lord > > > > of 5th lord or > > > > planets in lagna or 5th house with more bindus (>4). > > > > > > > > 3) If death happens due to Accident then death is due > > > > to matters of > > > > 7th house. So Karak for 7th house is 2nd. So MD > > > > might be 2nd lord > > > > or its SD. > > > > > > > > 4) Death due to hanging or imprisonment might be due > > > > to 12th house. > > > > Its Karak might be 7th lord or its SD so in MD of 7th > > > > lord or its SD > > > > might show that reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now coming back to the reference of Dadhis charts that > > > > he gave I do > > > > not know how much impact the 2 deaths had on Dadhi > > > > himself as we are > > > > studying his chart. > > > > > > > > Coming to practicality of finding death. Its my > > > > opinion that it > > > > serves no purpose except to verify the correctness of > > > > birth time. It > > > > is better that we study charts of people who are > > > > already dead. > > > > > > > > Krushnaji, Please point out if I have misunderstood or > > > > missed any > > > > important point. > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 Dear Ash, I just meant is there a reason in relation to another house, or to a general meaning of the 7th house. I thought the 8th or the 6th were associated with accidents, and of course, I can't see how they can be connected to 7th as death by accident. I know about Maraka 2 and 7 houses and their lords, and find they often work, but it's the first time I've heard that the 7th was specifically associated with accidents: that's why I asked if there was a reason. Thanks anyway! Graham , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Graham, > 7th house denotes accident and its Karak is 2nd house. > These houses are called Marak houses for this reason as they can > cause death. In KAS its considered in this way. > I did not understand your comment about " one of those things " ? > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Graham Fox " > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > For ascendant Gemini, the most likely in my opinion and according > to > > time given by mother, Shani is indeed 9th lord, in 7th. > > (Female, born Casablanca, Morocco (33N35/O7W36) on 27th August 1959 > > at 2h45 am according to her mother -- or just possibly, if her > > mother was confusing her with another child, at 3h15 (i.e. probably > > quarter TO 3 but possibly quarter PAST 3.) Her only child > (daughter) > > born 30/9/86. Older brother died suddenly from heart attack, > abroad, > > 23/7/98.) > > You recently referred to a discussion between Krushna and Denis > > Labouré concerning the death in an accident of Denis' father. I've > > looked, but I haven't been able to find those messages. Do you have > > their numbers? Also, is there any rationale for the 7th being the > > house for accidental death, or is it just " one of those things " ? > > Many thanks > > Graham > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Graham, > > > If happiness is less from Friends (11th house) or Family (2nd > > house) > > > maybe those houses might reflect low points. > > > Is Shani 9th lord or SD to 9th lord. > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , " Graham Fox " > > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > > Thank you Krushna and Ash for clarifying things on this > subject. > > > > There is a lot to think about. I quite agree with Ash that > > > > predicting death is not what we should be doing, but that > deaths > > > can > > > > sometimes maybe help with rectifying a chart. > > > > Thank you Krushna for making it clear that we can go wrong if > we > > > use > > > > derived houses for memebers of the family: it seems we should > > stop > > > > at parents. > > > > With a view to rectification of ascendant, I would still be > > > > interested if anyone has an idea about my question concerning > > which > > > > house/houses might be being activated when someone enters a new > > > > MD/AD and suddenly finds themselves going to a funeral of > friend > > or > > > > family almost every week -- as is the case with my friend since > > > > entering Sa/Sa. > > > > Many thanks for any possible help. > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > , krushna > > > jugalkalani > > > > <krushanain> wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > the death of any person is indicated by 8th > > > > > house (house B). House 'C' indicates the type of > > > > > result. House C is always house 12th from the person. > > > > > For Father 9th house denotes father. and house > > > > > C for his death is 8th, which also indicates > > > > > hereditary property. (Death of the father Ha = 11th Hb > > > > > 4th and Hc = 8th house) > > > > > For mother indicated by 3rd house, and house C > > > > > for death of mother is 2nd house, which is house of > > > > > wealth for the jatak. > > > > > From this we can say that the the death of > > > > > father or mother have some effect on the life of chart > > > > > owner. > > > > > For other relatives say grand father or grand > > > > > grand father is not indicated. Other wise we can go > > > > > upto eve and Adam. > > > > > krushna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji and List, > > > > > > > > > > I had an opportunity to ask Krushnaji about this topic > > > > > and wanted to > > > > > share some hints that Krushnaji gave me. I am trying > > > > > to frame them > > > > > in 1 email with some guidance that was given and some > > > > > hints from past > > > > > emails. > > > > > > > > > > Death is the last topic and probably the most complex > > > > > and we must > > > > > wait for a detailed lesson. There are many factors to > > > > > consider. For > > > > > that first we must understand what points are telling > > > > > us and must > > > > > have good graps of the system. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Events that impact the native can be seen from the > > > > > natives chart. > > > > > 2) Sometimes even mother and fathers if their deaths > > > > > do not impact > > > > > the natvie might not be seen clearly. > > > > > 3) About father in law, mother in law etc might not be > > > > > clearly seen > > > > > in natives chart for that the chart of wife/husband > > > > > must be checked. > > > > > 4) We also must be clear if the person is real > > > > > father/mother of the > > > > > native and his or her death impacts the native. > > > > > 5) Sometimes even brother and sisters death cant be > > > > > clearly seen in > > > > > the chart of the native if it does not affect or > > > > > impact the native. > > > > > > > > > > To study the technicalities w.r.t. to death and using > > > > > KAS for that we > > > > > must wait for the lesson. > > > > > > > > > > From the little hints that we have had in the past > > > > > here are some > > > > > things. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Mahadasha is important as it shows Karaktwa and > > > > > reason for death. > > > > > > > > > > 8th house is for death. So Karak for death (reason) > > > > > is 3rd house. > > > > > So IF death happens in 3rd lords MD or its SD then it > > > > > might be > > > > > natural death. The definition of natural death might > > > > > become more > > > > > clear when we get lesson. > > > > > > > > > > 2) AD for death is generally the strongest > > > > > significator in WS or Row > > > > > 17 in WS for 8th house or LoD or LoE i.e. lagna lord > > > > > of 5th lord or > > > > > planets in lagna or 5th house with more bindus (>4). > > > > > > > > > > 3) If death happens due to Accident then death is due > > > > > to matters of > > > > > 7th house. So Karak for 7th house is 2nd. So MD > > > > > might be 2nd lord > > > > > or its SD. > > > > > > > > > > 4) Death due to hanging or imprisonment might be due > > > > > to 12th house. > > > > > Its Karak might be 7th lord or its SD so in MD of 7th > > > > > lord or its SD > > > > > might show that reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now coming back to the reference of Dadhis charts that > > > > > he gave I do > > > > > not know how much impact the 2 deaths had on Dadhi > > > > > himself as we are > > > > > studying his chart. > > > > > > > > > > Coming to practicality of finding death. Its my > > > > > opinion that it > > > > > serves no purpose except to verify the correctness of > > > > > birth time. It > > > > > is better that we study charts of people who are > > > > > already dead. > > > > > > > > > > Krushnaji, Please point out if I have misunderstood or > > > > > missed any > > > > > important point. > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 Dear Graham, Just to clarify. 1) 7th house is for accident. 2nd house is karak. That is for the EVENT of accident. 2) Death is 8th house matter and its Karak is 3rd house. That is for the EVENT of Death. 3) 6th house is for Health and recovery. Karak for that is Lagna. Now if there is an Accident and death then it means that 7th house is triggering first. After that for Death you study 8th house and if chance of recovery you study 6th house and base your analysis and judgement accordingly. There also may be chance that person survives in that case 7th may have low points, 8th ALSO may have low points and 6th may have high points along with some other points in that case, there may be accident but person will NOT DIE and if injured he will recover quickly. In that way you can analyse. But seperate each event in that way you will not mix event. Marak sthan is 2nd and 7th. Maybe for this reason its called Marak in vedic astrology or something " THAT CAN KILL " but not necessarily KILL. For death its 8th house. I think this will clear matters further. Very good question though. Cheers !!! Ash --- Graham Fox <fox.graham wrote: > Dear Ash, > I just meant is there a reason in relation to > another house, or to a > general meaning of the 7th house. I thought the 8th > or the 6th were > associated with accidents, and of course, I can't > see how they can > be connected to 7th as death by accident. I know > about Maraka 2 and > 7 houses and their lords, and find they often work, > but it's the > first time I've heard that the 7th was specifically > associated with > accidents: that's why I asked if there was a reason. > Thanks anyway! > Graham > > , > " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Graham, > > 7th house denotes accident and its Karak is 2nd > house. > > These houses are called Marak houses for this > reason as they can > > cause death. In KAS its considered in this way. > > I did not understand your comment about " one of > those things " ? > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , > " Graham Fox " > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > For ascendant Gemini, the most likely in my > opinion and > according > > to > > > time given by mother, Shani is indeed 9th lord, > in 7th. > > > (Female, born Casablanca, Morocco (33N35/O7W36) > on 27th August > 1959 > > > at 2h45 am according to her mother -- or just > possibly, if her > > > mother was confusing her with another child, at > 3h15 (i.e. > probably > > > quarter TO 3 but possibly quarter PAST 3.) Her > only child > > (daughter) > > > born 30/9/86. Older brother died suddenly from > heart attack, > > abroad, > > > 23/7/98.) > > > You recently referred to a discussion between > Krushna and Denis > > > Labouré concerning the death in an accident of > Denis' father. > I've > > > looked, but I haven't been able to find those > messages. Do you > have > > > their numbers? Also, is there any rationale for > the 7th being > the > > > house for accidental death, or is it just " one > of those things " ? > > > Many thanks > > > Graham > > > > > > , > " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > Dear Graham, > > > > If happiness is less from Friends (11th house) > or Family (2nd > > > house) > > > > maybe those houses might reflect low points. > > > > Is Shani 9th lord or SD to 9th lord. > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > --- In > , " Graham > Fox " > > > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > > > Thank you Krushna and Ash for clarifying > things on this > > subject. > > > > > There is a lot to think about. I quite agree > with Ash that > > > > > predicting death is not what we should be > doing, but that > > deaths > > > > can > > > > > sometimes maybe help with rectifying a > chart. > > > > > Thank you Krushna for making it clear that > we can go wrong > if > > we > > > > use > > > > > derived houses for memebers of the family: > it seems we > should > > > stop > > > > > at parents. > > > > > With a view to rectification of ascendant, I > would still be > > > > > interested if anyone has an idea about my > question > concerning > > > which > > > > > house/houses might be being activated when > someone enters a > new > > > > > MD/AD and suddenly finds themselves going to > a funeral of > > friend > > > or > > > > > family almost every week -- as is the case > with my friend > since > > > > > entering Sa/Sa. > > > > > Many thanks for any possible help. > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , krushna > > > > jugalkalani > > > > > <krushanain> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > the death of any person is > indicated by 8th > > > > > > house (house B). House 'C' indicates the > type of > > > > > > result. House C is always house 12th from > the person. > > > > > > For Father 9th house denotes > father. and house > > > > > > C for his death is 8th, which also > indicates > > > > > > hereditary property. (Death of the father > Ha = 11th Hb > > > > > > 4th and Hc = 8th house) > > > > > > For mother indicated by 3rd house, > and house C > > > > > > for death of mother is 2nd house, which is > house of > > > > > > wealth for the jatak. > > > > > > From this we can say that the the > death of > > > > > > father or mother have some effect on the > life of chart > > > > > > owner. > > > > > > For other relatives say grand > father or grand > > > > > > grand father is not indicated. Other wise > we can go > > > > > > upto eve and Adam. > > > > > > krushna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji and List, > > > > > > > > > > > > I had an opportunity to ask Krushnaji > about this topic > > > > > > and wanted to > > > > > > share some hints that Krushnaji gave me. > I am trying > > > > > > to frame them > > > > > > in 1 email with some guidance that was > given and some > > > > > > hints from past > > > > > > emails. > > > > > > > > > > > > Death is the last topic and probably the > most complex > > > > > > and we must > > > > > > wait for a detailed lesson. There are > many factors to > > > > > > consider. For > > > > > > that first we must understand what points > are telling > > > > > > us and must > > > > > > have good graps of the system. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Events that impact the native can be > seen from the > > > > > > natives chart. > > > > > > 2) Sometimes even mother and fathers if > their deaths > > > > > > do not impact > > > > > > the natvie might not be seen clearly. > > > > > > 3) About father in law, mother in law etc > might === message truncated === Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Thank you Ash for this clear explanation. Graham , Ash Sam <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Graham, > Just to clarify. > > 1) 7th house is for accident. 2nd house is karak. > That is for the EVENT of accident. > > 2) Death is 8th house matter and its Karak is 3rd > house. That is for the EVENT of Death. > > 3) 6th house is for Health and recovery. Karak for > that is Lagna. > > Now if there is an Accident and death then it means > that 7th house is triggering first. After that for > Death you study 8th house and if chance of recovery > you study 6th house and base your analysis and > judgement accordingly. > > There also may be chance that person survives in that > case 7th may have low points, 8th ALSO may have low > points and 6th may have high points along with some > other points in that case, there may be accident but > person will NOT DIE and if injured he will recover > quickly. > > In that way you can analyse. But seperate each event > in that way you will not mix event. > > Marak sthan is 2nd and 7th. Maybe for this reason its > called Marak in vedic astrology or something " THAT CAN > KILL " but not necessarily KILL. For death its 8th > house. > > I think this will clear matters further. > > Very good question though. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > --- Graham Fox <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > I just meant is there a reason in relation to > > another house, or to a > > general meaning of the 7th house. I thought the 8th > > or the 6th were > > associated with accidents, and of course, I can't > > see how they can > > be connected to 7th as death by accident. I know > > about Maraka 2 and > > 7 houses and their lords, and find they often work, > > but it's the > > first time I've heard that the 7th was specifically > > associated with > > accidents: that's why I asked if there was a reason. > > Thanks anyway! > > Graham > > > > , > > " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Graham, > > > 7th house denotes accident and its Karak is 2nd > > house. > > > These houses are called Marak houses for this > > reason as they can > > > cause death. In KAS its considered in this way. > > > I did not understand your comment about " one of > > those things " ? > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , > > " Graham Fox " > > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > For ascendant Gemini, the most likely in my > > opinion and > > according > > > to > > > > time given by mother, Shani is indeed 9th lord, > > in 7th. > > > > (Female, born Casablanca, Morocco (33N35/O7W36) > > on 27th August > > 1959 > > > > at 2h45 am according to her mother -- or just > > possibly, if her > > > > mother was confusing her with another child, at > > 3h15 (i.e. > > probably > > > > quarter TO 3 but possibly quarter PAST 3.) Her > > only child > > > (daughter) > > > > born 30/9/86. Older brother died suddenly from > > heart attack, > > > abroad, > > > > 23/7/98.) > > > > You recently referred to a discussion between > > Krushna and Denis > > > > Labouré concerning the death in an accident of > > Denis' father. > > I've > > > > looked, but I haven't been able to find those > > messages. Do you > > have > > > > their numbers? Also, is there any rationale for > > the 7th being > > the > > > > house for accidental death, or is it just " one > > of those things " ? > > > > Many thanks > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > , > > " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > Dear Graham, > > > > > If happiness is less from Friends (11th house) > > or Family (2nd > > > > house) > > > > > maybe those houses might reflect low points. > > > > > Is Shani 9th lord or SD to 9th lord. > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " Graham > > Fox " > > > > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Thank you Krushna and Ash for clarifying > > things on this > > > subject. > > > > > > There is a lot to think about. I quite agree > > with Ash that > > > > > > predicting death is not what we should be > > doing, but that > > > deaths > > > > > can > > > > > > sometimes maybe help with rectifying a > > chart. > > > > > > Thank you Krushna for making it clear that > > we can go wrong > > if > > > we > > > > > use > > > > > > derived houses for memebers of the family: > > it seems we > > should > > > > stop > > > > > > at parents. > > > > > > With a view to rectification of ascendant, I > > would still be > > > > > > interested if anyone has an idea about my > > question > > concerning > > > > which > > > > > > house/houses might be being activated when > > someone enters a > > new > > > > > > MD/AD and suddenly finds themselves going to > > a funeral of > > > friend > > > > or > > > > > > family almost every week -- as is the case > > with my friend > > since > > > > > > entering Sa/Sa. > > > > > > Many thanks for any possible help. > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , krushna > > > > > jugalkalani > > > > > > <krushanain> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > the death of any person is > > indicated by 8th > > > > > > > house (house B). House 'C' indicates the > > type of > > > > > > > result. House C is always house 12th from > > the person. > > > > > > > For Father 9th house denotes > > father. and house > > > > > > > C for his death is 8th, which also > > indicates > > > > > > > hereditary property. (Death of the father > > Ha = 11th Hb > > > > > > > 4th and Hc = 8th house) > > > > > > > For mother indicated by 3rd house, > > and house C > > > > > > > for death of mother is 2nd house, which is > > house of > > > > > > > wealth for the jatak. > > > > > > > From this we can say that the the > > death of > > > > > > > father or mother have some effect on the > > life of chart > > > > > > > owner. > > > > > > > For other relatives say grand > > father or grand > > > > > > > grand father is not indicated. Other wise > > we can go > > > > > > > upto eve and Adam. > > > > > > > krushna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji and List, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had an opportunity to ask Krushnaji > > about this topic > > > > > > > and wanted to > > > > > > > share some hints that Krushnaji gave me. > > I am trying > > > > > > > to frame them > > > > > > > in 1 email with some guidance that was > > given and some > > > > > > > hints from past > > > > > > > emails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Death is the last topic and probably the > > most complex > > > > > > > and we must > > > > > > > wait for a detailed lesson. There are > > many factors to > > > > > > > consider. For > > > > > > > that first we must understand what points > > are telling > > > > > > > us and must > > > > > > > have good graps of the system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Events that impact the native can be > > seen from the > > > > > > > natives chart. > > > > > > > 2) Sometimes even mother and fathers if > > their deaths > > > > > > > do not impact > > > > > > > the natvie might not be seen clearly. > > > > > > > 3) About father in law, mother in law etc > > might > === message truncated === > > > > > Search - Find what you're looking for faster > http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Dear graham Fox, When a death occures in Tripad or Panchak Nakshtra or the funeral made in those nakshtra, there three or five death occures. Tripad Nakshtra: Krutica, Punarvasu, Uttara, Vishakha, U. Shada, Pu. Bhadrapada. (total Six)Ruled by Sun and Guru. Panchak Nakshtra: second half of Dhanistha, Sattarka, Pu.bhadrapada,U. Bhadrapada, Revati ( Total 4.5)Last five nakshtras. krushna --- Graham Fox <fox.graham wrote: Thank you Krushna and Ash for clarifying things on this subject. There is a lot to think about. I quite agree with Ash that predicting death is not what we should be doing, but that deaths can sometimes maybe help with rectifying a chart. Thank you Krushna for making it clear that we can go wrong if we use derived houses for memebers of the family: it seems we should stop at parents. With a view to rectification of ascendant, I would still be interested if anyone has an idea about my question concerning which house/houses might be being activated when someone enters a new MD/AD and suddenly finds themselves going to a funeral of friend or family almost every week -- as is the case with my friend since entering Sa/Sa. Many thanks for any possible help. Graham , krushna jugalkalani <krushanain> wrote: > Dear Ash, > the death of any person is indicated by 8th > house (house B). House 'C' indicates the type of > result. House C is always house 12th from the person. > For Father 9th house denotes father. and house > C for his death is 8th, which also indicates > hereditary property. (Death of the father Ha = 11th Hb > 4th and Hc = 8th house) > For mother indicated by 3rd house, and house C > for death of mother is 2nd house, which is house of > wealth for the jatak. > From this we can say that the the death of > father or mother have some effect on the life of chart > owner. > For other relatives say grand father or grand > grand father is not indicated. Other wise we can go > upto eve and Adam. > krushna > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji and List, > > I had an opportunity to ask Krushnaji about this topic > and wanted to > share some hints that Krushnaji gave me. I am trying > to frame them > in 1 email with some guidance that was given and some > hints from past > emails. > > Death is the last topic and probably the most complex > and we must > wait for a detailed lesson. There are many factors to > consider. For > that first we must understand what points are telling > us and must > have good graps of the system. > > 1) Events that impact the native can be seen from the > natives chart. > 2) Sometimes even mother and fathers if their deaths > do not impact > the natvie might not be seen clearly. > 3) About father in law, mother in law etc might not be > clearly seen > in natives chart for that the chart of wife/husband > must be checked. > 4) We also must be clear if the person is real > father/mother of the > native and his or her death impacts the native. > 5) Sometimes even brother and sisters death cant be > clearly seen in > the chart of the native if it does not affect or > impact the native. > > To study the technicalities w.r.t. to death and using > KAS for that we > must wait for the lesson. > > From the little hints that we have had in the past > here are some > things. > > 1) Mahadasha is important as it shows Karaktwa and > reason for death. > > 8th house is for death. So Karak for death (reason) > is 3rd house. > So IF death happens in 3rd lords MD or its SD then it > might be > natural death. The definition of natural death might > become more > clear when we get lesson. > > 2) AD for death is generally the strongest > significator in WS or Row > 17 in WS for 8th house or LoD or LoE i.e. lagna lord > of 5th lord or > planets in lagna or 5th house with more bindus (>4). > > 3) If death happens due to Accident then death is due > to matters of > 7th house. So Karak for 7th house is 2nd. So MD > might be 2nd lord > or its SD. > > 4) Death due to hanging or imprisonment might be due > to 12th house. > Its Karak might be 7th lord or its SD so in MD of 7th > lord or its SD > might show that reason. > > > Now coming back to the reference of Dadhis charts that > he gave I do > not know how much impact the 2 deaths had on Dadhi > himself as we are > studying his chart. > > Coming to practicality of finding death. Its my > opinion that it > serves no purpose except to verify the correctness of > birth time. It > is better that we study charts of people who are > already dead. > > Krushnaji, Please point out if I have misunderstood or > missed any > important point. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Dear Krushna, Thank you very much for this answer, which I will investigate. Do you mean Sun in Tripad or Panchak, or perhaps the Moon? Many thanks Graham , krushna jugalkalani <krushanain> wrote: > Dear graham Fox, > When a death occures in Tripad or Panchak > Nakshtra or the funeral made in those nakshtra, there > three or five death occures. > Tripad Nakshtra: Krutica, Punarvasu, Uttara, > Vishakha, U. Shada, Pu. Bhadrapada. (total Six)Ruled > by Sun and Guru. > Panchak Nakshtra: second half of Dhanistha, > Sattarka, Pu.bhadrapada,U. Bhadrapada, Revati ( Total > 4.5)Last five nakshtras. > krushna > > > --- Graham Fox <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > Thank you Krushna and Ash for clarifying things on > this subject. > There is a lot to think about. I quite agree with Ash > that > predicting death is not what we should be doing, but > that deaths can > sometimes maybe help with rectifying a chart. > Thank you Krushna for making it clear that we can go > wrong if we use > derived houses for memebers of the family: it seems we > should stop > at parents. > With a view to rectification of ascendant, I would > still be > interested if anyone has an idea about my question > concerning which > house/houses might be being activated when someone > enters a new > MD/AD and suddenly finds themselves going to a funeral > of friend or > family almost every week -- as is the case with my > friend since > entering Sa/Sa. > Many thanks for any possible help. > Graham > > , > krushna jugalkalani > <krushanain> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > the death of any person is indicated by 8th > > house (house B). House 'C' indicates the type of > > result. House C is always house 12th from the > person. > > For Father 9th house denotes father. and > house > > C for his death is 8th, which also indicates > > hereditary property. (Death of the father Ha = 11th > Hb > > 4th and Hc = 8th house) > > For mother indicated by 3rd house, and house > C > > for death of mother is 2nd house, which is house of > > wealth for the jatak. > > From this we can say that the the death of > > father or mother have some effect on the life of > chart > > owner. > > For other relatives say grand father or grand > > grand father is not indicated. Other wise we can go > > upto eve and Adam. > > krushna > > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji and List, > > > > I had an opportunity to ask Krushnaji about this > topic > > and wanted to > > share some hints that Krushnaji gave me. I am > trying > > to frame them > > in 1 email with some guidance that was given and > some > > hints from past > > emails. > > > > Death is the last topic and probably the most > complex > > and we must > > wait for a detailed lesson. There are many factors > to > > consider. For > > that first we must understand what points are > telling > > us and must > > have good graps of the system. > > > > 1) Events that impact the native can be seen from > the > > natives chart. > > 2) Sometimes even mother and fathers if their deaths > > do not impact > > the natvie might not be seen clearly. > > 3) About father in law, mother in law etc might not > be > > clearly seen > > in natives chart for that the chart of wife/husband > > must be checked. > > 4) We also must be clear if the person is real > > father/mother of the > > native and his or her death impacts the native. > > 5) Sometimes even brother and sisters death cant be > > clearly seen in > > the chart of the native if it does not affect or > > impact the native. > > > > To study the technicalities w.r.t. to death and > using > > KAS for that we > > must wait for the lesson. > > > > From the little hints that we have had in the past > > here are some > > things. > > > > 1) Mahadasha is important as it shows Karaktwa and > > reason for death. > > > > 8th house is for death. So Karak for death (reason) > > is 3rd house. > > So IF death happens in 3rd lords MD or its SD then > it > > might be > > natural death. The definition of natural death > might > > become more > > clear when we get lesson. > > > > 2) AD for death is generally the strongest > > significator in WS or Row > > 17 in WS for 8th house or LoD or LoE i.e. lagna lord > > of 5th lord or > > planets in lagna or 5th house with more bindus (>4). > > > > 3) If death happens due to Accident then death is > due > > to matters of > > 7th house. So Karak for 7th house is 2nd. So MD > > might be 2nd lord > > or its SD. > > > > 4) Death due to hanging or imprisonment might be due > > to 12th house. > > Its Karak might be 7th lord or its SD so in MD of > 7th > > lord or its SD > > might show that reason. > > > > > > Now coming back to the reference of Dadhis charts > that > > he gave I do > > not know how much impact the 2 deaths had on Dadhi > > himself as we are > > studying his chart. > > > > Coming to practicality of finding death. Its my > > opinion that it > > serves no purpose except to verify the correctness > of > > birth time. It > > is better that we study charts of people who are > > already dead. > > > > Krushnaji, Please point out if I have misunderstood > or > > missed any > > important point. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Dear Graham, it is Moon Nakshtra krushna --- Graham Fox <fox.graham wrote: Dear Krushna, Thank you very much for this answer, which I will investigate. Do you mean Sun in Tripad or Panchak, or perhaps the Moon? Many thanks Graham , krushna jugalkalani <krushanain> wrote: > Dear graham Fox, > When a death occures in Tripad or Panchak > Nakshtra or the funeral made in those nakshtra, there > three or five death occures. > Tripad Nakshtra: Krutica, Punarvasu, Uttara, > Vishakha, U. Shada, Pu. Bhadrapada. (total Six)Ruled > by Sun and Guru. > Panchak Nakshtra: second half of Dhanistha, > Sattarka, Pu.bhadrapada,U. Bhadrapada, Revati ( Total > 4.5)Last five nakshtras. > krushna > > > --- Graham Fox <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > Thank you Krushna and Ash for clarifying things on > this subject. > There is a lot to think about. I quite agree with Ash > that > predicting death is not what we should be doing, but > that deaths can > sometimes maybe help with rectifying a chart. > Thank you Krushna for making it clear that we can go > wrong if we use > derived houses for memebers of the family: it seems we > should stop > at parents. > With a view to rectification of ascendant, I would > still be > interested if anyone has an idea about my question > concerning which > house/houses might be being activated when someone > enters a new > MD/AD and suddenly finds themselves going to a funeral > of friend or > family almost every week -- as is the case with my > friend since > entering Sa/Sa. > Many thanks for any possible help. > Graham > > , > krushna jugalkalani > <krushanain> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > the death of any person is indicated by 8th > > house (house B). House 'C' indicates the type of > > result. House C is always house 12th from the > person. > > For Father 9th house denotes father. and > house > > C for his death is 8th, which also indicates > > hereditary property. (Death of the father Ha = 11th > Hb > > 4th and Hc = 8th house) > > For mother indicated by 3rd house, and house > C > > for death of mother is 2nd house, which is house of > > wealth for the jatak. > > From this we can say that the the death of > > father or mother have some effect on the life of > chart > > owner. > > For other relatives say grand father or grand > > grand father is not indicated. Other wise we can go > > upto eve and Adam. > > krushna > > > > > > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji and List, > > > > I had an opportunity to ask Krushnaji about this > topic > > and wanted to > > share some hints that Krushnaji gave me. I am > trying > > to frame them > > in 1 email with some guidance that was given and > some > > hints from past > > emails. > > > > Death is the last topic and probably the most > complex > > and we must > > wait for a detailed lesson. There are many factors > to > > consider. For > > that first we must understand what points are > telling > > us and must > > have good graps of the system. > > > > 1) Events that impact the native can be seen from > the > > natives chart. > > 2) Sometimes even mother and fathers if their deaths > > do not impact > > the natvie might not be seen clearly. > > 3) About father in law, mother in law etc might not > be > > clearly seen > > in natives chart for that the chart of wife/husband > > must be checked. > > 4) We also must be clear if the person is real > > father/mother of the > > native and his or her death impacts the native. > > 5) Sometimes even brother and sisters death cant be > > clearly seen in > > the chart of the native if it does not affect or > > impact the native. > > > > To study the technicalities w.r.t. to death and > using > > KAS for that we > > must wait for the lesson. > > > > From the little hints that we have had in the past > > here are some > > things. > > > > 1) Mahadasha is important as it shows Karaktwa and > > reason for death. > > > > 8th house is for death. So Karak for death (reason) > > is 3rd house. > > So IF death happens in 3rd lords MD or its SD then > it > > might be > > natural death. The definition of natural death > might > > become more > > clear when we get lesson. > > > > 2) AD for death is generally the strongest > > significator in WS or Row > > 17 in WS for 8th house or LoD or LoE i.e. lagna lord > > of 5th lord or > > planets in lagna or 5th house with more bindus (>4). > > > > 3) If death happens due to Accident then death is > due > > to matters of > > 7th house. So Karak for 7th house is 2nd. So MD > > might be 2nd lord > > or its SD. > > > > 4) Death due to hanging or imprisonment might be due > > to 12th house. > > Its Karak might be 7th lord or its SD so in MD of > 7th > > lord or its SD > > might show that reason. > > > > > > Now coming back to the reference of Dadhis charts > that > > he gave I do > > not know how much impact the 2 deaths had on Dadhi > > himself as we are > > studying his chart. > > > > Coming to practicality of finding death. Its my > > opinion that it > > serves no purpose except to verify the correctness > of > > birth time. It > > is better that we study charts of people who are > > already dead. > > > > Krushnaji, Please point out if I have misunderstood > or > > missed any > > important point. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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