Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Hi Ash Many thanks for clarifications and guidance notes. I am confused on two issues: a. while adding for points for planet in D or E, is there any exceptions for not considering the points for planets placed there. Eg. In my chart, for H1- moon (with 5 points) is in D with more than 4 points, but the points have not been added for 7b. Likewise, I was looking at H11, points for venus was skipped. b. if a planet (not the lord of D or E), aspects its own house, then also will it carry malefic aspect. In my humble opinion, NO. else, the house aspected by its own lord will be weak; and at many places in lessons, this aspect has been positively rated and in normal astrology this is fortifying aspect (Shri Krushna ji may clarify this). For example in H1, Jupiter lost -11 points twice due to single aspect firstly by aspecting its own sign pisces and then being aspected by its positioning lord moon. Otherwise, on strength parameter, Jupiter is exalted in most divisional charts (I understand that exaltations have no role in Shri Krushna ji's theory). I appreciate the fact that, this theory brings lots of fine tuned indicators for a planet to fructify results, but will it negate the strength, where a house is aspected by its own house lord, or a sign is aspected by its own dispositor. Please excuse me if I am sounded argumentative. I am not. I am just readings lessons and seeing how can the strength be worked out in line with the interpretative essence of lessons. Warm regards/Prafulla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Dear Prafulla, Don't worry you are not sounding argumantative. You are seeking clarifications which is very good. Without questions you cannot learn. Ok now I think I understand your questions. 1) Your lagna is Leo. So 12th from B is Moon and B is lagna. There is a rule that 12th lord from a house is malefic so if its lord goes into House D or E then its points we cannot add as +5. So despite moon is with 5 bindus and its in House E but its 12th lord for lagna. So for Lagna we cannot consider +5 i.e. benefic points. Similarly for Venus in your chart for 11th. Venus is 12th from 11th house lord. This has been given in lessons. 2) About aspects etc. This system you find planets real strength. For that refer to initial lessons. If Moon is with 6 bindus in capricorn then IT WILL ASPECT CANCER WITH -6. So it will reduce strengh of 2nd house. But such things are all considered in the worksheet. Even in Vedic astrology its given that exalatation signs of planets from 7th from it is their debilitation points. Here consider planet with > 4 bindus exalted then it will send malefic dristi to ALL houses it aspects unless it is LoD or LoE. Its it LoD or LoE it will not harm the house. Now you have said exaltation signs have no significance in this system i.e KAS. That is not a true statmement. Please refer to Lesson 26. But for timing of results and quality are 2 seperate things. Marriage and quality of marriage are 2 different things. This is not clearly given in any books. When a planet has Multiplication Factor of 1.4 for example Sun in aries then it gets full backing of sign so QUANTUM of results is high.. BUT RESULT SHOULD HAPPEN FIRST that is given by the WS. This part will come with practice. In time when u solve more charts this will get clear. There is a very detailed purpose and use of Lesson 26. So everything is considered but Lesson 26 u dont need to apply to answer someones question " When will I marry ? " . That answer you will get from WS. When will I get a job if that question is asked and Quality of Job are 2 different things that is mostly mixed up. Now for your chart see timing of results for particular event. You will get your answer. So we do use every aspect of Vedic Astrolgy. In fact you need to first know Vedic Astrology to learn this system. With this system you can time events and lots of things that are given in VA become more clear. For D charts we have not got lesson on it. D charts give hidden strength of planet. Each house in represents so many things and D charts make it clear. So first we get idea from Rasi and Navamsa. Both have equal status. My suggestion is not to mix systems. KAS is a complete system. To find strength of each and every planet for all 12 houses at a glance. Hope that clarifies your doubts, Cheers !!! Ash --- Prafulla Gang <prafulla.gang wrote: > > > Hi Ash > > Many thanks for clarifications and guidance notes. I > am confused on two > issues: > > a. while adding for points for planet in D or E, > is there any > exceptions for not considering the points for > planets placed there. Eg. > In my chart, for H1- moon (with 5 points) is in D > with more than 4 > points, but the points have not been added for 7b. > Likewise, I was > looking at H11, points for venus was skipped. > > b. if a planet (not the lord of D or E), aspects > its own house, then > also will it carry malefic aspect. In my humble > opinion, NO. else, the > house aspected by its own lord will be weak; and at > many places in > lessons, this aspect has been positively rated and > in normal astrology > this is fortifying aspect (Shri Krushna ji may > clarify this). For > example in H1, Jupiter lost -11 points twice due to > single aspect > firstly by aspecting its own sign pisces and then > being aspected by its > positioning lord moon. Otherwise, on strength > parameter, Jupiter is > exalted in most divisional charts (I understand that > exaltations have no > role in Shri Krushna ji's theory). > > > I appreciate the fact that, this theory brings lots > of fine tuned > indicators for a planet to fructify results, but > will it negate the > strength, where a house is aspected by its own house > lord, or a sign is > aspected by its own dispositor. > > Please excuse me if I am sounded argumentative. I am > not. I am just > readings lessons and seeing how can the strength be > worked out in line > with the interpretative essence of lessons. > > Warm regards/Prafulla > > Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Hi Ash Many thanks for detailed note. Now I understood for 12th house lord effects for 7b. I am working backwards for events and applying KAS. Except for aspect on own sign, it seems working well. I did apply on navamsa as well. and am applying this alongwith few other systems to work around fine tuned approach. Yes, the technique will certainly work well in experienced hands. Actually, the probelm is my own, where I left astrology for past 5 years and since then i am just a passive reader. Yesterday, was the most involved day, where on Holiday, I utilized with KAS on atleast 10 charts and tried to identify the results. Somehow, while doing astrology 5 years back, I used to work on SA along with Jemini. The dasa system was always a confusion to me for wanting of ayanamsa correction. In my life events, i always followed in past, the local BrahmPakshi Panchang, which gives me difference of dasa by 65 days for now. and I could work around more on transit, constellation based systems and fine tuned readings on D charts using Nadi Jyotish theories. Well, In this forum, the agenda is not to discuss the contradictions, as many a times the contradictions may be there due to my own lack of complete understanding of any specific system . Now a interesting issue u have raised is of weightage factor. If the factor is zero like for me for Sun; then does it mean that sun will be helpless to perform at all for any house, even where it has more than 12 points. If so, then being lagna lord, it will weaken the entire chart (as lagna lord's weakness is the pivotal issue for any planet to perform). I will try to see KAS in totality, but the question of aspect on its own house will remain a hanging issue, till I could analyse more charts. Other list members, may please share their experiences. i know, i am asking too much from Donna, but if she can expand the spreadsheet from not only from lagna, but also from moon sign, sun sign and navamsa chart for the prupose of comparative analysis. This will be a great tool. Also, in this modified spreadsheet, what will be weightage factor from each one as well !! and then we can very well conclude the samdharmi planets related effects/posibility. warm regards/Prafulla , Ash Sam H<ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Prafulla, > Don't worry you are not sounding argumantative. You > are seeking clarifications which is very good. > Without questions you cannot learn. > > Ok now I think I understand your questions. > > 1) Your lagna is Leo. So 12th from B is Moon and B is > lagna. There is a rule that 12th lord from a house is > malefic so if its lord goes into House D or E then its > points we cannot add as +5. > So despite moon is with 5 bindus and its in House E > but its 12th lord for lagna. So for Lagna we cannot > consider +5 i.e. benefic points. > Similarly for Venus in your chart for 11th. Venus is > 12th from 11th house lord. This has been given in > lessons. > > 2) About aspects etc. This system you find planets > real strength. For that refer to initial lessons. If > Moon is with 6 bindus in capricorn then IT WILL ASPECT > CANCER WITH -6. So it will reduce strengh of 2nd > house. But such things are all considered in the > worksheet. Even in Vedic astrology its given that > exalatation signs of planets from 7th from it is their > debilitation points. > Here consider planet with > 4 bindus exalted then it > will send malefic dristi to ALL houses it aspects > unless it is LoD or LoE. Its it LoD or LoE it will > not harm the house. > > Now you have said exaltation signs have no > significance in this system i.e KAS. That is not a > true statmement. Please refer to Lesson 26. But for > timing of results and quality are 2 seperate things. > Marriage and quality of marriage are 2 different > things. This is not clearly given in any books. When > a planet has Multiplication Factor of 1.4 for example > Sun in aries then it gets full backing of sign so > QUANTUM of results is high.. BUT RESULT SHOULD HAPPEN > FIRST that is given by the WS. This part will come > with practice. In time when u solve more charts this > will get clear. There is a very detailed purpose and > use of Lesson 26. So everything is considered but > Lesson 26 u dont need to apply to answer someones > question " When will I marry ? " . That answer you will > get from WS. When will I get a job if that question > is asked and Quality of Job are 2 different things > that is mostly mixed up. > > Now for your chart see timing of results for > particular event. You will get your answer. > > So we do use every aspect of Vedic Astrolgy. In fact > you need to first know Vedic Astrology to learn this > system. With this system you can time events and lots > of things that are given in VA become more clear. > > For D charts we have not got lesson on it. D charts > give hidden strength of planet. Each house in > represents so many things and D charts make it clear. > So first we get idea from Rasi and Navamsa. Both have > equal status. > > My suggestion is not to mix systems. KAS is a > complete system. To find strength of each and every > planet for all 12 houses at a glance. > > Hope that clarifies your doubts, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <prafulla.gang@r...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Ash > > > > Many thanks for clarifications and guidance notes. I > > am confused on two > > issues: > > > > a. while adding for points for planet in D or E, > > is there any > > exceptions for not considering the points for > > planets placed there. Eg. > > In my chart, for H1- moon (with 5 points) is in D > > with more than 4 > > points, but the points have not been added for 7b. > > Likewise, I was > > looking at H11, points for venus was skipped. > > > > b. if a planet (not the lord of D or E), aspects > > its own house, then > > also will it carry malefic aspect. In my humble > > opinion, NO. else, the > > house aspected by its own lord will be weak; and at > > many places in > > lessons, this aspect has been positively rated and > > in normal astrology > > this is fortifying aspect (Shri Krushna ji may > > clarify this). For > > example in H1, Jupiter lost -11 points twice due to > > single aspect > > firstly by aspecting its own sign pisces and then > > being aspected by its > > positioning lord moon. Otherwise, on strength > > parameter, Jupiter is > > exalted in most divisional charts (I understand that > > exaltations have no > > role in Shri Krushna ji's theory). > > > > > > I appreciate the fact that, this theory brings lots > > of fine tuned > > indicators for a planet to fructify results, but > > will it negate the > > strength, where a house is aspected by its own house > > lord, or a sign is > > aspected by its own dispositor. > > > > Please excuse me if I am sounded argumentative. I am > > not. I am just > > readings lessons and seeing how can the strength be > > worked out in line > > with the interpretative essence of lessons. > > > > Warm regards/Prafulla > > > > > > > > > Search - Find what you're looking for faster > http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Dear Prafulla, The Multiplication Factor is in Lesson 26. No where its given or for any house its NEVER 0. So your Sun is not Zero. That is incorrect. These Multiplication factor is derived based on lot of things. Again in your text you have confused event from quality. You said Sun will weak due to multiplication factor. This is precicely I say not to confused timing from quality. You said Sun will be weak, .. weak for what ???? giving results.. or quality... or happiness from event..... Start from Lesson 1 and try to understand the essensce. Even jaimini said Dara is 4th house.. in our system its LoD. Upapada is arudha of 12th and 12th is LoE in our system etc etc... Each and everything is considered and we just use 1 dasha i.e. Vimshottari dashsa starting from moon. Donna has given the Multiplication factor just over the bindus in the Sarva sheet. Another thing, start from Lesson 1. Do not confuse other system or other dashas. Keep that aside. Use that if u are more confident to verify results. But learn all aspects of this system in full starting from Lesson 1. Then the essense of system will come out and u will begin to see the depth. Here in this system its all based on numbers. Numbers are numbers and you do not have to stretch 2 ends to justify the event. That is the simplicty of this system. Now with worksheet this is made even more easy. Cheers !!! Ash , " Prafulla Gang " <prafulla.gang@r...> wrote: > Hi Ash > > Many thanks for detailed note. Now I understood for 12th house lord > effects for 7b. > > I am working backwards for events and applying KAS. Except for > aspect on own sign, it seems working well. I did apply on navamsa as > well. and am applying this alongwith few other systems to work > around fine tuned approach. Yes, the technique will certainly work > well in experienced hands. Actually, the probelm is my own, where I > left astrology for past 5 years and since then i am just a passive > reader. Yesterday, was the most involved day, where on Holiday, I > utilized with KAS on atleast 10 charts and tried to identify the > results. > > Somehow, while doing astrology 5 years back, I used to work on SA > along with Jemini. The dasa system was always a confusion to me for > wanting of ayanamsa correction. In my life events, i always followed > in past, the local BrahmPakshi Panchang, which gives me difference > of dasa by 65 days for now. and I could work around more on transit, > constellation based systems and fine tuned readings on D charts > using Nadi Jyotish theories. Well, In this forum, the agenda is not > to discuss the contradictions, as many a times the contradictions > may be there due to my own lack of complete understanding of any > specific system . > > Now a interesting issue u have raised is of weightage factor. If the > factor is zero like for me for Sun; then does it mean that sun will > be helpless to perform at all for any house, even where it has more > than 12 points. If so, then being lagna lord, it will weaken the > entire chart (as lagna lord's weakness is the pivotal issue for any > planet to perform). > > > I will try to see KAS in totality, but the question of aspect on its > own house will remain a hanging issue, till I could analyse more > charts. Other list members, may please share their experiences. > > i know, i am asking too much from Donna, but if she can expand the > spreadsheet from not only from lagna, but also from moon sign, sun > sign and navamsa chart for the prupose of comparative analysis. This > will be a great tool. Also, in this modified spreadsheet, what will > be weightage factor from each one as well !! and then we can very > well conclude the samdharmi planets related effects/posibility. > > warm regards/Prafulla > > > , Ash Sam > H<ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Prafulla, > > Don't worry you are not sounding argumantative. You > > are seeking clarifications which is very good. > > Without questions you cannot learn. > > > > Ok now I think I understand your questions. > > > > 1) Your lagna is Leo. So 12th from B is Moon and B is > > lagna. There is a rule that 12th lord from a house is > > malefic so if its lord goes into House D or E then its > > points we cannot add as +5. > > So despite moon is with 5 bindus and its in House E > > but its 12th lord for lagna. So for Lagna we cannot > > consider +5 i.e. benefic points. > > Similarly for Venus in your chart for 11th. Venus is > > 12th from 11th house lord. This has been given in > > lessons. > > > > 2) About aspects etc. This system you find planets > > real strength. For that refer to initial lessons. If > > Moon is with 6 bindus in capricorn then IT WILL ASPECT > > CANCER WITH -6. So it will reduce strengh of 2nd > > house. But such things are all considered in the > > worksheet. Even in Vedic astrology its given that > > exalatation signs of planets from 7th from it is their > > debilitation points. > > Here consider planet with > 4 bindus exalted then it > > will send malefic dristi to ALL houses it aspects > > unless it is LoD or LoE. Its it LoD or LoE it will > > not harm the house. > > > > Now you have said exaltation signs have no > > significance in this system i.e KAS. That is not a > > true statmement. Please refer to Lesson 26. But for > > timing of results and quality are 2 seperate things. > > Marriage and quality of marriage are 2 different > > things. This is not clearly given in any books. When > > a planet has Multiplication Factor of 1.4 for example > > Sun in aries then it gets full backing of sign so > > QUANTUM of results is high.. BUT RESULT SHOULD HAPPEN > > FIRST that is given by the WS. This part will come > > with practice. In time when u solve more charts this > > will get clear. There is a very detailed purpose and > > use of Lesson 26. So everything is considered but > > Lesson 26 u dont need to apply to answer someones > > question " When will I marry ? " . That answer you will > > get from WS. When will I get a job if that question > > is asked and Quality of Job are 2 different things > > that is mostly mixed up. > > > > Now for your chart see timing of results for > > particular event. You will get your answer. > > > > So we do use every aspect of Vedic Astrolgy. In fact > > you need to first know Vedic Astrology to learn this > > system. With this system you can time events and lots > > of things that are given in VA become more clear. > > > > For D charts we have not got lesson on it. D charts > > give hidden strength of planet. Each house in > > represents so many things and D charts make it clear. > > So first we get idea from Rasi and Navamsa. Both have > > equal status. > > > > My suggestion is not to mix systems. KAS is a > > complete system. To find strength of each and every > > planet for all 12 houses at a glance. > > > > Hope that clarifies your doubts, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <prafulla.gang@r...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Ash > > > > > > Many thanks for clarifications and guidance notes. I > > > am confused on two > > > issues: > > > > > > a. while adding for points for planet in D or E, > > > is there any > > > exceptions for not considering the points for > > > planets placed there. Eg. > > > In my chart, for H1- moon (with 5 points) is in D > > > with more than 4 > > > points, but the points have not been added for 7b. > > > Likewise, I was > > > looking at H11, points for venus was skipped. > > > > > > b. if a planet (not the lord of D or E), aspects > > > its own house, then > > > also will it carry malefic aspect. In my humble > > > opinion, NO. else, the > > > house aspected by its own lord will be weak; and at > > > many places in > > > lessons, this aspect has been positively rated and > > > in normal astrology > > > this is fortifying aspect (Shri Krushna ji may > > > clarify this). For > > > example in H1, Jupiter lost -11 points twice due to > > > single aspect > > > firstly by aspecting its own sign pisces and then > > > being aspected by its > > > positioning lord moon. Otherwise, on strength > > > parameter, Jupiter is > > > exalted in most divisional charts (I understand that > > > exaltations have no > > > role in Shri Krushna ji's theory). > > > > > > > > > I appreciate the fact that, this theory brings lots > > > of fine tuned > > > indicators for a planet to fructify results, but > > > will it negate the > > > strength, where a house is aspected by its own house > > > lord, or a sign is > > > aspected by its own dispositor. > > > > > > Please excuse me if I am sounded argumentative. I am > > > not. I am just > > > readings lessons and seeing how can the strength be > > > worked out in line > > > with the interpretative essence of lessons. > > > > > > Warm regards/Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Search - Find what you're looking for faster > > http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Dear Prafulla, If you'd like to experiment with the WS treating Sun or Moon as lagna, surely you just have to choose the number of the Sun/Moon sign in the lagna sign box, and the WS will do the rest. I can't see why Donna would need to to be mobilised for this! Thanks for your questions, as they've also helped me clarify things, through Ash's answers. Graham , " Prafulla Gang " <prafulla.gang@r...> wrote: > Hi Ash > > Many thanks for detailed note. Now I understood for 12th house lord > effects for 7b. > > I am working backwards for events and applying KAS. Except for > aspect on own sign, it seems working well. I did apply on navamsa as > well. and am applying this alongwith few other systems to work > around fine tuned approach. Yes, the technique will certainly work > well in experienced hands. Actually, the probelm is my own, where I > left astrology for past 5 years and since then i am just a passive > reader. Yesterday, was the most involved day, where on Holiday, I > utilized with KAS on atleast 10 charts and tried to identify the > results. > > Somehow, while doing astrology 5 years back, I used to work on SA > along with Jemini. The dasa system was always a confusion to me for > wanting of ayanamsa correction. In my life events, i always followed > in past, the local BrahmPakshi Panchang, which gives me difference > of dasa by 65 days for now. and I could work around more on transit, > constellation based systems and fine tuned readings on D charts > using Nadi Jyotish theories. Well, In this forum, the agenda is not > to discuss the contradictions, as many a times the contradictions > may be there due to my own lack of complete understanding of any > specific system . > > Now a interesting issue u have raised is of weightage factor. If the > factor is zero like for me for Sun; then does it mean that sun will > be helpless to perform at all for any house, even where it has more > than 12 points. If so, then being lagna lord, it will weaken the > entire chart (as lagna lord's weakness is the pivotal issue for any > planet to perform). > > > I will try to see KAS in totality, but the question of aspect on its > own house will remain a hanging issue, till I could analyse more > charts. Other list members, may please share their experiences. > > i know, i am asking too much from Donna, but if she can expand the > spreadsheet from not only from lagna, but also from moon sign, sun > sign and navamsa chart for the prupose of comparative analysis. This > will be a great tool. Also, in this modified spreadsheet, what will > be weightage factor from each one as well !! and then we can very > well conclude the samdharmi planets related effects/posibility. > > warm regards/Prafulla > > > , Ash Sam > H<ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Prafulla, > > Don't worry you are not sounding argumantative. You > > are seeking clarifications which is very good. > > Without questions you cannot learn. > > > > Ok now I think I understand your questions. > > > > 1) Your lagna is Leo. So 12th from B is Moon and B is > > lagna. There is a rule that 12th lord from a house is > > malefic so if its lord goes into House D or E then its > > points we cannot add as +5. > > So despite moon is with 5 bindus and its in House E > > but its 12th lord for lagna. So for Lagna we cannot > > consider +5 i.e. benefic points. > > Similarly for Venus in your chart for 11th. Venus is > > 12th from 11th house lord. This has been given in > > lessons. > > > > 2) About aspects etc. This system you find planets > > real strength. For that refer to initial lessons. If > > Moon is with 6 bindus in capricorn then IT WILL ASPECT > > CANCER WITH -6. So it will reduce strengh of 2nd > > house. But such things are all considered in the > > worksheet. Even in Vedic astrology its given that > > exalatation signs of planets from 7th from it is their > > debilitation points. > > Here consider planet with > 4 bindus exalted then it > > will send malefic dristi to ALL houses it aspects > > unless it is LoD or LoE. Its it LoD or LoE it will > > not harm the house. > > > > Now you have said exaltation signs have no > > significance in this system i.e KAS. That is not a > > true statmement. Please refer to Lesson 26. But for > > timing of results and quality are 2 seperate things. > > Marriage and quality of marriage are 2 different > > things. This is not clearly given in any books. When > > a planet has Multiplication Factor of 1.4 for example > > Sun in aries then it gets full backing of sign so > > QUANTUM of results is high.. BUT RESULT SHOULD HAPPEN > > FIRST that is given by the WS. This part will come > > with practice. In time when u solve more charts this > > will get clear. There is a very detailed purpose and > > use of Lesson 26. So everything is considered but > > Lesson 26 u dont need to apply to answer someones > > question " When will I marry ? " . That answer you will > > get from WS. When will I get a job if that question > > is asked and Quality of Job are 2 different things > > that is mostly mixed up. > > > > Now for your chart see timing of results for > > particular event. You will get your answer. > > > > So we do use every aspect of Vedic Astrolgy. In fact > > you need to first know Vedic Astrology to learn this > > system. With this system you can time events and lots > > of things that are given in VA become more clear. > > > > For D charts we have not got lesson on it. D charts > > give hidden strength of planet. Each house in > > represents so many things and D charts make it clear. > > So first we get idea from Rasi and Navamsa. Both have > > equal status. > > > > My suggestion is not to mix systems. KAS is a > > complete system. To find strength of each and every > > planet for all 12 houses at a glance. > > > > Hope that clarifies your doubts, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <prafulla.gang@r...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Ash > > > > > > Many thanks for clarifications and guidance notes. I > > > am confused on two > > > issues: > > > > > > a. while adding for points for planet in D or E, > > > is there any > > > exceptions for not considering the points for > > > planets placed there. Eg. > > > In my chart, for H1- moon (with 5 points) is in D > > > with more than 4 > > > points, but the points have not been added for 7b. > > > Likewise, I was > > > looking at H11, points for venus was skipped. > > > > > > b. if a planet (not the lord of D or E), aspects > > > its own house, then > > > also will it carry malefic aspect. In my humble > > > opinion, NO. else, the > > > house aspected by its own lord will be weak; and at > > > many places in > > > lessons, this aspect has been positively rated and > > > in normal astrology > > > this is fortifying aspect (Shri Krushna ji may > > > clarify this). For > > > example in H1, Jupiter lost -11 points twice due to > > > single aspect > > > firstly by aspecting its own sign pisces and then > > > being aspected by its > > > positioning lord moon. Otherwise, on strength > > > parameter, Jupiter is > > > exalted in most divisional charts (I understand that > > > exaltations have no > > > role in Shri Krushna ji's theory). > > > > > > > > > I appreciate the fact that, this theory brings lots > > > of fine tuned > > > indicators for a planet to fructify results, but > > > will it negate the > > > strength, where a house is aspected by its own house > > > lord, or a sign is > > > aspected by its own dispositor. > > > > > > Please excuse me if I am sounded argumentative. I am > > > not. I am just > > > readings lessons and seeing how can the strength be > > > worked out in line > > > with the interpretative essence of lessons. > > > > > > Warm regards/Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Search - Find what you're looking for faster > > http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Dear Ash, There's something I don't understand about this multiplication factor question. In Lesson 26, as you say, the factor is never 0. But in the " Sign values " above the bindus in the sarva sheet of WS, Donna's Sun's factor is given as 0, although Ch 26 gives the factor for a Sun in Aquarius as 0.5. Also, her moon in Cancer should get a factor of 1.2, but in her WS it gets 0.5. Have I misunderstood something, or am I looking in the wrong place? Thanks Graham , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Prafulla, > The Multiplication Factor is in Lesson 26. No where its given or for > any house its NEVER 0. So your Sun is not Zero. That is incorrect. > > These Multiplication factor is derived based on lot of things. > > Again in your text you have confused event from quality. You said > Sun will weak due to multiplication factor. This is precicely I say > not to confused timing from quality. > > You said Sun will be weak, .. weak for what ???? giving results.. or > quality... or happiness from event..... > > Start from Lesson 1 and try to understand the essensce. Even jaimini > said Dara is 4th house.. in our system its LoD. Upapada is arudha of > 12th and 12th is LoE in our system etc etc... > > Each and everything is considered and we just use 1 dasha i.e. > Vimshottari dashsa starting from moon. > > Donna has given the Multiplication factor just over the bindus in the > Sarva sheet. > > Another thing, start from Lesson 1. Do not confuse other system or > other dashas. Keep that aside. Use that if u are more confident to > verify results. But learn all aspects of this system in full > starting from Lesson 1. Then the essense of system will come out and > u will begin to see the depth. > > Here in this system its all based on numbers. Numbers are numbers > and you do not have to stretch 2 ends to justify the event. That is > the simplicty of this system. > > Now with worksheet this is made even more easy. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " > <prafulla.gang@r...> wrote: > > Hi Ash > > > > Many thanks for detailed note. Now I understood for 12th house lord > > effects for 7b. > > > > I am working backwards for events and applying KAS. Except for > > aspect on own sign, it seems working well. I did apply on navamsa > as > > well. and am applying this alongwith few other systems to work > > around fine tuned approach. Yes, the technique will certainly work > > well in experienced hands. Actually, the probelm is my own, where I > > left astrology for past 5 years and since then i am just a passive > > reader. Yesterday, was the most involved day, where on Holiday, I > > utilized with KAS on atleast 10 charts and tried to identify the > > results. > > > > Somehow, while doing astrology 5 years back, I used to work on SA > > along with Jemini. The dasa system was always a confusion to me for > > wanting of ayanamsa correction. In my life events, i always > followed > > in past, the local BrahmPakshi Panchang, which gives me difference > > of dasa by 65 days for now. and I could work around more on > transit, > > constellation based systems and fine tuned readings on D charts > > using Nadi Jyotish theories. Well, In this forum, the agenda is not > > to discuss the contradictions, as many a times the contradictions > > may be there due to my own lack of complete understanding of any > > specific system . > > > > Now a interesting issue u have raised is of weightage factor. If > the > > factor is zero like for me for Sun; then does it mean that sun will > > be helpless to perform at all for any house, even where it has more > > than 12 points. If so, then being lagna lord, it will weaken the > > entire chart (as lagna lord's weakness is the pivotal issue for any > > planet to perform). > > > > > > I will try to see KAS in totality, but the question of aspect on > its > > own house will remain a hanging issue, till I could analyse more > > charts. Other list members, may please share their experiences. > > > > i know, i am asking too much from Donna, but if she can expand the > > spreadsheet from not only from lagna, but also from moon sign, sun > > sign and navamsa chart for the prupose of comparative analysis. > This > > will be a great tool. Also, in this modified spreadsheet, what will > > be weightage factor from each one as well !! and then we can very > > well conclude the samdharmi planets related effects/posibility. > > > > warm regards/Prafulla > > > > > > , Ash Sam > > H<ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > Don't worry you are not sounding argumantative. You > > > are seeking clarifications which is very good. > > > Without questions you cannot learn. > > > > > > Ok now I think I understand your questions. > > > > > > 1) Your lagna is Leo. So 12th from B is Moon and B is > > > lagna. There is a rule that 12th lord from a house is > > > malefic so if its lord goes into House D or E then its > > > points we cannot add as +5. > > > So despite moon is with 5 bindus and its in House E > > > but its 12th lord for lagna. So for Lagna we cannot > > > consider +5 i.e. benefic points. > > > Similarly for Venus in your chart for 11th. Venus is > > > 12th from 11th house lord. This has been given in > > > lessons. > > > > > > 2) About aspects etc. This system you find planets > > > real strength. For that refer to initial lessons. If > > > Moon is with 6 bindus in capricorn then IT WILL ASPECT > > > CANCER WITH -6. So it will reduce strengh of 2nd > > > house. But such things are all considered in the > > > worksheet. Even in Vedic astrology its given that > > > exalatation signs of planets from 7th from it is their > > > debilitation points. > > > Here consider planet with > 4 bindus exalted then it > > > will send malefic dristi to ALL houses it aspects > > > unless it is LoD or LoE. Its it LoD or LoE it will > > > not harm the house. > > > > > > Now you have said exaltation signs have no > > > significance in this system i.e KAS. That is not a > > > true statmement. Please refer to Lesson 26. But for > > > timing of results and quality are 2 seperate things. > > > Marriage and quality of marriage are 2 different > > > things. This is not clearly given in any books. When > > > a planet has Multiplication Factor of 1.4 for example > > > Sun in aries then it gets full backing of sign so > > > QUANTUM of results is high.. BUT RESULT SHOULD HAPPEN > > > FIRST that is given by the WS. This part will come > > > with practice. In time when u solve more charts this > > > will get clear. There is a very detailed purpose and > > > use of Lesson 26. So everything is considered but > > > Lesson 26 u dont need to apply to answer someones > > > question " When will I marry ? " . That answer you will > > > get from WS. When will I get a job if that question > > > is asked and Quality of Job are 2 different things > > > that is mostly mixed up. > > > > > > Now for your chart see timing of results for > > > particular event. You will get your answer. > > > > > > So we do use every aspect of Vedic Astrolgy. In fact > > > you need to first know Vedic Astrology to learn this > > > system. With this system you can time events and lots > > > of things that are given in VA become more clear. > > > > > > For D charts we have not got lesson on it. D charts > > > give hidden strength of planet. Each house in > > > represents so many things and D charts make it clear. > > > So first we get idea from Rasi and Navamsa. Both have > > > equal status. > > > > > > My suggestion is not to mix systems. KAS is a > > > complete system. To find strength of each and every > > > planet for all 12 houses at a glance. > > > > > > Hope that clarifies your doubts, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <prafulla.gang@r...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ash > > > > > > > > Many thanks for clarifications and guidance notes. I > > > > am confused on two > > > > issues: > > > > > > > > a. while adding for points for planet in D or E, > > > > is there any > > > > exceptions for not considering the points for > > > > planets placed there. Eg. > > > > In my chart, for H1- moon (with 5 points) is in D > > > > with more than 4 > > > > points, but the points have not been added for 7b. > > > > Likewise, I was > > > > looking at H11, points for venus was skipped. > > > > > > > > b. if a planet (not the lord of D or E), aspects > > > > its own house, then > > > > also will it carry malefic aspect. In my humble > > > > opinion, NO. else, the > > > > house aspected by its own lord will be weak; and at > > > > many places in > > > > lessons, this aspect has been positively rated and > > > > in normal astrology > > > > this is fortifying aspect (Shri Krushna ji may > > > > clarify this). For > > > > example in H1, Jupiter lost -11 points twice due to > > > > single aspect > > > > firstly by aspecting its own sign pisces and then > > > > being aspected by its > > > > positioning lord moon. Otherwise, on strength > > > > parameter, Jupiter is > > > > exalted in most divisional charts (I understand that > > > > exaltations have no > > > > role in Shri Krushna ji's theory). > > > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate the fact that, this theory brings lots > > > > of fine tuned > > > > indicators for a planet to fructify results, but > > > > will it negate the > > > > strength, where a house is aspected by its own house > > > > lord, or a sign is > > > > aspected by its own dispositor. > > > > > > > > Please excuse me if I am sounded argumentative. I am > > > > not. I am just > > > > readings lessons and seeing how can the strength be > > > > worked out in line > > > > with the interpretative essence of lessons. > > > > > > > > Warm regards/Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Search - Find what you're looking for faster > > > http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Dear Donna, Prafulla and Graham, No both of you are right. There seems to be some slight change of EXCEL REFERENCE VALUE. I was also going through the worksheet when Prafulla said about Sun getting 0. Then I saw that part. Yes, both of you have a very fine eye and u all are following the system well. Donna, there is a slight problem in reference value. It seems like the Multiplication factor's refernces are starting at the wrong cell value. Good one.. Cheers !!! Ash --- Graham Fox <fox.graham wrote: > Dear Ash, > There's something I don't understand about this > multiplication > factor question. In Lesson 26, as you say, the > factor is never 0. > But in the " Sign values " above the bindus in the > sarva sheet of WS, > Donna's Sun's factor is given as 0, although Ch 26 > gives the factor > for a Sun in Aquarius as 0.5. Also, her moon in > Cancer should get a > factor of 1.2, but in her WS it gets 0.5. Have I > misunderstood > something, or am I looking in the wrong place? > Thanks > Graham > , > " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Prafulla, > > The Multiplication Factor is in Lesson 26. No > where its given or > for > > any house its NEVER 0. So your Sun is not Zero. > That is > incorrect. > > > > These Multiplication factor is derived based on > lot of things. > > > > Again in your text you have confused event from > quality. You said > > Sun will weak due to multiplication factor. This > is precicely I > say > > not to confused timing from quality. > > > > You said Sun will be weak, .. weak for what ???? > giving results.. > or > > quality... or happiness from event..... > > > > Start from Lesson 1 and try to understand the > essensce. Even > jaimini > > said Dara is 4th house.. in our system its LoD. > Upapada is arudha > of > > 12th and 12th is LoE in our system etc etc... > > > > Each and everything is considered and we just use > 1 dasha i.e. > > Vimshottari dashsa starting from moon. > > > > Donna has given the Multiplication factor just > over the bindus in > the > > Sarva sheet. > > > > Another thing, start from Lesson 1. Do not > confuse other system > or > > other dashas. Keep that aside. Use that if u are > more confident > to > > verify results. But learn all aspects of this > system in full > > starting from Lesson 1. Then the essense of > system will come out > and > > u will begin to see the depth. > > > > Here in this system its all based on numbers. > Numbers are numbers > > and you do not have to stretch 2 ends to justify > the event. That > is > > the simplicty of this system. > > > > Now with worksheet this is made even more easy. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > , > " Prafulla Gang " > > <prafulla.gang@r...> wrote: > > > Hi Ash > > > > > > Many thanks for detailed note. Now I understood > for 12th house > lord > > > effects for 7b. > > > > > > I am working backwards for events and applying > KAS. Except for > > > aspect on own sign, it seems working well. I did > apply on > navamsa > > as > > > well. and am applying this alongwith few other > systems to work > > > around fine tuned approach. Yes, the technique > will certainly > work > > > well in experienced hands. Actually, the probelm > is my own, > where I > > > left astrology for past 5 years and since then i > am just a > passive > > > reader. Yesterday, was the most involved day, > where on Holiday, > I > > > utilized with KAS on atleast 10 charts and tried > to identify the > > > results. > > > > > > Somehow, while doing astrology 5 years back, I > used to work on > SA > > > along with Jemini. The dasa system was always a > confusion to me > for > > > wanting of ayanamsa correction. In my life > events, i always > > followed > > > in past, the local BrahmPakshi Panchang, which > gives me > difference > > > of dasa by 65 days for now. and I could work > around more on > > transit, > > > constellation based systems and fine tuned > readings on D charts > > > using Nadi Jyotish theories. Well, In this > forum, the agenda is > not > > > to discuss the contradictions, as many a times > the > contradictions > > > may be there due to my own lack of complete > understanding of any > > > specific system . > > > > > > Now a interesting issue u have raised is of > weightage factor. If > > the > > > factor is zero like for me for Sun; then does it > mean that sun > will > > > be helpless to perform at all for any house, > even where it has > more > > > than 12 points. If so, then being lagna lord, it > will weaken the > > > entire chart (as lagna lord's weakness is the > pivotal issue for > any > > > planet to perform). > > > > > > > > > I will try to see KAS in totality, but the > question of aspect on > > its > > > own house will remain a hanging issue, till I > could analyse more > > > charts. Other list members, may please share > their experiences. > > > > > > i know, i am asking too much from Donna, but if > she can expand > the > > > spreadsheet from not only from lagna, but also > from moon sign, > sun > > > sign and navamsa chart for the prupose of > comparative analysis. > > This > > > will be a great tool. Also, in this modified > spreadsheet, what > will > > > be weightage factor from each one as well !! and > then we can > very > > > well conclude the samdharmi planets related > effects/posibility. > > > > > > warm regards/Prafulla > > > > > > > > > , > Ash Sam > > > H<ashsam73> wrote: > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > Don't worry you are not sounding > argumantative. You > > > > are seeking clarifications which is very good. > > === message truncated === Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Dear Graham - > If you'd like to experiment with the WS treating Sun or Moon as > lagna, surely you just have to choose the number of the Sun/Moon > sign in the lagna sign box, and the WS will do the rest. I can't see > why Donna would need to to be mobilised for this! You're a man after my own heart! . .) Thanks! Donna > Thanks for your questions, as they've also helped me clarify things, > through Ash's answers.> Graham> , "Prafulla Gang" > <prafulla.gang@r...> wrote:> > Hi Ash> > > > Many thanks for detailed note. Now I understood for 12th house > lord > > effects for 7b.> > > > I am working backwards for events and applying KAS. Except for > > aspect on own sign, it seems working well. I did apply on navamsa > as > > well. and am applying this alongwith few other systems to work > > around fine tuned approach. Yes, the technique will certainly work > > well in experienced hands. Actually, the probelm is my own, where > I > > left astrology for past 5 years and since then i am just a passive > > reader. Yesterday, was the most involved day, where on Holiday, I > > utilized with KAS on atleast 10 charts and tried to identify the > > results.> > > > Somehow, while doing astrology 5 years back, I used to work on SA > > along with Jemini. The dasa system was always a confusion to me > for > > wanting of ayanamsa correction. In my life events, i always > followed > > in past, the local BrahmPakshi Panchang, which gives me difference > > of dasa by 65 days for now. and I could work around more on > transit, > > constellation based systems and fine tuned readings on D charts > > using Nadi Jyotish theories. Well, In this forum, the agenda is > not > > to discuss the contradictions, as many a times the contradictions > > may be there due to my own lack of complete understanding of any > > specific system .> > > > Now a interesting issue u have raised is of weightage factor. If > the > > factor is zero like for me for Sun; then does it mean that sun > will > > be helpless to perform at all for any house, even where it has > more > > than 12 points. If so, then being lagna lord, it will weaken the > > entire chart (as lagna lord's weakness is the pivotal issue for > any > > planet to perform).> > > > > > I will try to see KAS in totality, but the question of aspect on > its > > own house will remain a hanging issue, till I could analyse more > > charts. Other list members, may please share their experiences.> > > > i know, i am asking too much from Donna, but if she can expand the > > spreadsheet from not only from lagna, but also from moon sign, sun > > sign and navamsa chart for the prupose of comparative analysis. > This > > will be a great tool. Also, in this modified spreadsheet, what > will > > be weightage factor from each one as well !! and then we can very > > well conclude the samdharmi planets related effects/posibility.> > > > warm regards/Prafulla > > > > > > , Ash Sam > > H<ashsam73> wrote:> > > Dear Prafulla,> > > Don't worry you are not sounding argumantative. You> > > are seeking clarifications which is very good. > > > Without questions you cannot learn.> > > > > > Ok now I think I understand your questions.> > > > > > 1) Your lagna is Leo. So 12th from B is Moon and B is> > > lagna. There is a rule that 12th lord from a house is> > > malefic so if its lord goes into House D or E then its> > > points we cannot add as +5.> > > So despite moon is with 5 bindus and its in House E> > > but its 12th lord for lagna. So for Lagna we cannot> > > consider +5 i.e. benefic points.> > > Similarly for Venus in your chart for 11th. Venus is> > > 12th from 11th house lord. This has been given in> > > lessons.> > > > > > 2) About aspects etc. This system you find planets> > > real strength. For that refer to initial lessons. If> > > Moon is with 6 bindus in capricorn then IT WILL ASPECT> > > CANCER WITH -6. So it will reduce strengh of 2nd> > > house. But such things are all considered in the> > > worksheet. Even in Vedic astrology its given that> > > exalatation signs of planets from 7th from it is their> > > debilitation points.> > > Here consider planet with > 4 bindus exalted then it> > > will send malefic dristi to ALL houses it aspects> > > unless it is LoD or LoE. Its it LoD or LoE it will> > > not harm the house. > > > > > > Now you have said exaltation signs have no> > > significance in this system i.e KAS. That is not a> > > true statmement. Please refer to Lesson 26. But for> > > timing of results and quality are 2 seperate things. > > > Marriage and quality of marriage are 2 different> > > things. This is not clearly given in any books. When> > > a planet has Multiplication Factor of 1.4 for example> > > Sun in aries then it gets full backing of sign so> > > QUANTUM of results is high.. BUT RESULT SHOULD HAPPEN> > > FIRST that is given by the WS. This part will come> > > with practice. In time when u solve more charts this> > > will get clear. There is a very detailed purpose and> > > use of Lesson 26. So everything is considered but> > > Lesson 26 u dont need to apply to answer someones> > > question "When will I marry ?". That answer you will> > > get from WS. When will I get a job if that question> > > is asked and Quality of Job are 2 different things> > > that is mostly mixed up. > > > > > > Now for your chart see timing of results for> > > particular event. You will get your answer.> > > > > > So we do use every aspect of Vedic Astrolgy. In fact> > > you need to first know Vedic Astrology to learn this> > > system. With this system you can time events and lots> > > of things that are given in VA become more clear.> > > > > > For D charts we have not got lesson on it. D charts> > > give hidden strength of planet. Each house in> > > represents so many things and D charts make it clear. > > > So first we get idea from Rasi and Navamsa. Both have> > > equal status. > > > > > > My suggestion is not to mix systems. KAS is a> > > complete system. To find strength of each and every> > > planet for all 12 houses at a glance.> > > > > > Hope that clarifies your doubts,> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash> > > > > > > > > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <prafulla.gang@r...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ash> > > > > > > > Many thanks for clarifications and guidance notes. I> > > > am confused on two> > > > issues:> > > > > > > > a. while adding for points for planet in D or E,> > > > is there any> > > > exceptions for not considering the points for> > > > planets placed there. Eg.> > > > In my chart, for H1- moon (with 5 points) is in D> > > > with more than 4> > > > points, but the points have not been added for 7b.> > > > Likewise, I was> > > > looking at H11, points for venus was skipped.> > > > > > > > b. if a planet (not the lord of D or E), aspects> > > > its own house, then> > > > also will it carry malefic aspect. In my humble> > > > opinion, NO. else, the> > > > house aspected by its own lord will be weak; and at> > > > many places in> > > > lessons, this aspect has been positively rated and> > > > in normal astrology> > > > this is fortifying aspect (Shri Krushna ji may> > > > clarify this). For> > > > example in H1, Jupiter lost -11 points twice due to> > > > single aspect> > > > firstly by aspecting its own sign pisces and then> > > > being aspected by its> > > > positioning lord moon. Otherwise, on strength> > > > parameter, Jupiter is> > > > exalted in most divisional charts (I understand that> > > > exaltations have no> > > > role in Shri Krushna ji's theory). > > > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate the fact that, this theory brings lots> > > > of fine tuned> > > > indicators for a planet to fructify results, but> > > > will it negate the> > > > strength, where a house is aspected by its own house> > > > lord, or a sign is> > > > aspected by its own dispositor.> > > > > > > > Please excuse me if I am sounded argumentative. I am> > > > not. I am just> > > > readings lessons and seeing how can the strength be> > > > worked out in line> > > > with the interpretative essence of lessons.> > > > > > > > Warm regards/Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Search - Find what you're looking for faster> > > http://search.> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Dear Donna, Thanks for the quip, and a great big thanks for all your work. Until Ash pointed it out, I hadn't even noticed that the multiplication factors had been included, this new worksheet is great! All the best Graham , Donna Quinn <DQuinn12@o...> wrote: > > Dear Graham - > > > If you'd like to experiment with the WS treating Sun or Moon as > > lagna, surely you just have to choose the number of the Sun/Moon > > sign in the lagna sign box, and the WS will do the rest. I can't see > > why Donna would need to to be mobilised for this! > > You're a man after my own heart! . .) > > Thanks! > Donna > > > > Thanks for your questions, as they've also helped me clarify things, > > through Ash's answers. > > Graham > > , " Prafulla Gang " > > <prafulla.gang@r...> wrote: > > > Hi Ash > > > > > > Many thanks for detailed note. Now I understood for 12th house > > lord > > > effects for 7b. > > > > > > I am working backwards for events and applying KAS. Except for > > > aspect on own sign, it seems working well. I did apply on navamsa > > as > > > well. and am applying this alongwith few other systems to work > > > around fine tuned approach. Yes, the technique will certainly work > > > well in experienced hands. Actually, the probelm is my own, where > > I > > > left astrology for past 5 years and since then i am just a passive > > > reader. Yesterday, was the most involved day, where on Holiday, I > > > utilized with KAS on atleast 10 charts and tried to identify the > > > results. > > > > > > Somehow, while doing astrology 5 years back, I used to work on SA > > > along with Jemini. The dasa system was always a confusion to me > > for > > > wanting of ayanamsa correction. In my life events, i always > > followed > > > in past, the local BrahmPakshi Panchang, which gives me difference > > > of dasa by 65 days for now. and I could work around more on > > transit, > > > constellation based systems and fine tuned readings on D charts > > > using Nadi Jyotish theories. Well, In this forum, the agenda is > > not > > > to discuss the contradictions, as many a times the contradictions > > > may be there due to my own lack of complete understanding of any > > > specific system . > > > > > > Now a interesting issue u have raised is of weightage factor. If > > the > > > factor is zero like for me for Sun; then does it mean that sun > > will > > > be helpless to perform at all for any house, even where it has > > more > > > than 12 points. If so, then being lagna lord, it will weaken the > > > entire chart (as lagna lord's weakness is the pivotal issue for > > any > > > planet to perform). > > > > > > > > > I will try to see KAS in totality, but the question of aspect on > > its > > > own house will remain a hanging issue, till I could analyse more > > > charts. Other list members, may please share their experiences. > > > > > > i know, i am asking too much from Donna, but if she can expand the > > > spreadsheet from not only from lagna, but also from moon sign, sun > > > sign and navamsa chart for the prupose of comparative analysis. > > This > > > will be a great tool. Also, in this modified spreadsheet, what > > will > > > be weightage factor from each one as well !! and then we can very > > > well conclude the samdharmi planets related effects/posibility. > > > > > > warm regards/Prafulla > > > > > > > > > , Ash Sam > > > H<ashsam73> wrote: > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > Don't worry you are not sounding argumantative. You > > > > are seeking clarifications which is very good. > > > > Without questions you cannot learn. > > > > > > > > Ok now I think I understand your questions. > > > > > > > > 1) Your lagna is Leo. So 12th from B is Moon and B is > > > > lagna. There is a rule that 12th lord from a house is > > > > malefic so if its lord goes into House D or E then its > > > > points we cannot add as +5. > > > > So despite moon is with 5 bindus and its in House E > > > > but its 12th lord for lagna. So for Lagna we cannot > > > > consider +5 i.e. benefic points. > > > > Similarly for Venus in your chart for 11th. Venus is > > > > 12th from 11th house lord. This has been given in > > > > lessons. > > > > > > > > 2) About aspects etc. This system you find planets > > > > real strength. For that refer to initial lessons. If > > > > Moon is with 6 bindus in capricorn then IT WILL ASPECT > > > > CANCER WITH -6. So it will reduce strengh of 2nd > > > > house. But such things are all considered in the > > > > worksheet. Even in Vedic astrology its given that > > > > exalatation signs of planets from 7th from it is their > > > > debilitation points. > > > > Here consider planet with > 4 bindus exalted then it > > > > will send malefic dristi to ALL houses it aspects > > > > unless it is LoD or LoE. Its it LoD or LoE it will > > > > not harm the house. > > > > > > > > Now you have said exaltation signs have no > > > > significance in this system i.e KAS. That is not a > > > > true statmement. Please refer to Lesson 26. But for > > > > timing of results and quality are 2 seperate things. > > > > Marriage and quality of marriage are 2 different > > > > things. This is not clearly given in any books. When > > > > a planet has Multiplication Factor of 1.4 for example > > > > Sun in aries then it gets full backing of sign so > > > > QUANTUM of results is high.. BUT RESULT SHOULD HAPPEN > > > > FIRST that is given by the WS. This part will come > > > > with practice. In time when u solve more charts this > > > > will get clear. There is a very detailed purpose and > > > > use of Lesson 26. So everything is considered but > > > > Lesson 26 u dont need to apply to answer someones > > > > question " When will I marry ? " . That answer you will > > > > get from WS. When will I get a job if that question > > > > is asked and Quality of Job are 2 different things > > > > that is mostly mixed up. > > > > > > > > Now for your chart see timing of results for > > > > particular event. You will get your answer. > > > > > > > > So we do use every aspect of Vedic Astrolgy. In fact > > > > you need to first know Vedic Astrology to learn this > > > > system. With this system you can time events and lots > > > > of things that are given in VA become more clear. > > > > > > > > For D charts we have not got lesson on it. D charts > > > > give hidden strength of planet. Each house in > > > > represents so many things and D charts make it clear. > > > > So first we get idea from Rasi and Navamsa. Both have > > > > equal status. > > > > > > > > My suggestion is not to mix systems. KAS is a > > > > complete system. To find strength of each and every > > > > planet for all 12 houses at a glance. > > > > > > > > Hope that clarifies your doubts, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <prafulla.gang@r...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ash > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for clarifications and guidance notes. I > > > > > am confused on two > > > > > issues: > > > > > > > > > > a. while adding for points for planet in D or E, > > > > > is there any > > > > > exceptions for not considering the points for > > > > > planets placed there. Eg. > > > > > In my chart, for H1- moon (with 5 points) is in D > > > > > with more than 4 > > > > > points, but the points have not been added for 7b. > > > > > Likewise, I was > > > > > looking at H11, points for venus was skipped. > > > > > > > > > > b. if a planet (not the lord of D or E), aspects > > > > > its own house, then > > > > > also will it carry malefic aspect. In my humble > > > > > opinion, NO. else, the > > > > > house aspected by its own lord will be weak; and at > > > > > many places in > > > > > lessons, this aspect has been positively rated and > > > > > in normal astrology > > > > > this is fortifying aspect (Shri Krushna ji may > > > > > clarify this). For > > > > > example in H1, Jupiter lost -11 points twice due to > > > > > single aspect > > > > > firstly by aspecting its own sign pisces and then > > > > > being aspected by its > > > > > positioning lord moon. Otherwise, on strength > > > > > parameter, Jupiter is > > > > > exalted in most divisional charts (I understand that > > > > > exaltations have no > > > > > role in Shri Krushna ji's theory). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate the fact that, this theory brings lots > > > > > of fine tuned > > > > > indicators for a planet to fructify results, but > > > > > will it negate the > > > > > strength, where a house is aspected by its own house > > > > > lord, or a sign is > > > > > aspected by its own dispositor. > > > > > > > > > > Please excuse me if I am sounded argumentative. I am > > > > > not. I am just > > > > > readings lessons and seeing how can the strength be > > > > > worked out in line > > > > > with the interpretative essence of lessons. > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards/Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Search - Find what you're looking for faster > > > > http://search. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Hi Ash, Donna and list members I have reasonably understood the KAS for aspect theory. However, I request list members to share their experiences, where house is aspected by its own lord. See, if such planet (not being D or E) has helped the native or planet/house aspected. Thanks Ash once again for yr assistance and BIG thanks to Donna for quick fix to sheet. regards/Prafulla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Dear Prafulla, Ashta means 8. Here you study Each house and Planet from 8 different angle and find the COMBINED effect. That is given in worksheet. When you just seperate aspect of planet in his / her own house you are ONLY CONSIDERING 1 ANGLE. What happens to other 7 ??? That is not correct. I think you are mixing up systems here. The actual and overall strength you will get from the Worksheet. Please go through so many solved examples to see timing of events that are done in the archives. A planet does not only work for 1 house. During a planets antra its affecting all 12 houses together. Some good experiencs may be experienced for a house and some malefic results for another house all during the same antra. Cheers !!! Ash --- Prafulla Gang <prafulla.gang wrote: > Hi Ash, Donna and list members > > I have reasonably understood the KAS for aspect > theory. However, I > request list members to share their experiences, > where house is > aspected by its own lord. See, if such planet (not > being D or E) has > helped the native or planet/house aspected. > > Thanks Ash once again for yr assistance and BIG > thanks to Donna for > quick fix to sheet. > > regards/Prafulla > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 Thanks Graham!. . . ) > Dear Donna, > Thanks for the quip, and a great big thanks for all your work. Until > Ash pointed it out, I hadn't even noticed that the multiplication > factors had been included, this new worksheet is great! > All the best > Graham > , Donna Quinn > <DQuinn12@o...> wrote: > > > > Dear Graham - > > > > > If you'd like to experiment with the WS treating Sun or Moon as > > > lagna, surely you just have to choose the number of the Sun/Moon > > > sign in the lagna sign box, and the WS will do the rest. I can't > see > > > why Donna would need to to be mobilised for this! > > > > You're a man after my own heart! . .) > > > > Thanks! > > Donna > > > > > > > Thanks for your questions, as they've also helped me clarify > things, > > > through Ash's answers. > > > Graham > > > , " Prafulla Gang " > > > <prafulla.gang@r...> wrote: > > > > Hi Ash > > > > > > > > Many thanks for detailed note. Now I understood for 12th house > > > lord > > > > effects for 7b. > > > > > > > > I am working backwards for events and applying KAS. Except for > > > > aspect on own sign, it seems working well. I did apply on > navamsa > > > as > > > > well. and am applying this alongwith few other systems to work > > > > around fine tuned approach. Yes, the technique will certainly > work > > > > well in experienced hands. Actually, the probelm is my own, > where > > > I > > > > left astrology for past 5 years and since then i am just a > passive > > > > reader. Yesterday, was the most involved day, where on > Holiday, I > > > > utilized with KAS on atleast 10 charts and tried to identify > the > > > > results. > > > > > > > > Somehow, while doing astrology 5 years back, I used to work on > SA > > > > along with Jemini. The dasa system was always a confusion to > me > > > for > > > > wanting of ayanamsa correction. In my life events, i always > > > followed > > > > in past, the local BrahmPakshi Panchang, which gives me > difference > > > > of dasa by 65 days for now. and I could work around more on > > > transit, > > > > constellation based systems and fine tuned readings on D > charts > > > > using Nadi Jyotish theories. Well, In this forum, the agenda > is > > > not > > > > to discuss the contradictions, as many a times the > contradictions > > > > may be there due to my own lack of complete understanding of > any > > > > specific system . > > > > > > > > Now a interesting issue u have raised is of weightage factor. > If > > > the > > > > factor is zero like for me for Sun; then does it mean that sun > > > will > > > > be helpless to perform at all for any house, even where it has > > > more > > > > than 12 points. If so, then being lagna lord, it will weaken > the > > > > entire chart (as lagna lord's weakness is the pivotal issue > for > > > any > > > > planet to perform). > > > > > > > > > > > > I will try to see KAS in totality, but the question of aspect > on > > > its > > > > own house will remain a hanging issue, till I could analyse > more > > > > charts. Other list members, may please share their experiences. > > > > > > > > i know, i am asking too much from Donna, but if she can expand > the > > > > spreadsheet from not only from lagna, but also from moon sign, > sun > > > > sign and navamsa chart for the prupose of comparative > analysis. > > > This > > > > will be a great tool. Also, in this modified spreadsheet, what > > > will > > > > be weightage factor from each one as well !! and then we can > very > > > > well conclude the samdharmi planets related effects/posibility. > > > > > > > > warm regards/Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ash Sam > > > > H<ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > Don't worry you are not sounding argumantative. You > > > > > are seeking clarifications which is very good. > > > > > Without questions you cannot learn. > > > > > > > > > > Ok now I think I understand your questions. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Your lagna is Leo. So 12th from B is Moon and B is > > > > > lagna. There is a rule that 12th lord from a house is > > > > > malefic so if its lord goes into House D or E then its > > > > > points we cannot add as +5. > > > > > So despite moon is with 5 bindus and its in House E > > > > > but its 12th lord for lagna. So for Lagna we cannot > > > > > consider +5 i.e. benefic points. > > > > > Similarly for Venus in your chart for 11th. Venus is > > > > > 12th from 11th house lord. This has been given in > > > > > lessons. > > > > > > > > > > 2) About aspects etc. This system you find planets > > > > > real strength. For that refer to initial lessons. If > > > > > Moon is with 6 bindus in capricorn then IT WILL ASPECT > > > > > CANCER WITH -6. So it will reduce strengh of 2nd > > > > > house. But such things are all considered in the > > > > > worksheet. Even in Vedic astrology its given that > > > > > exalatation signs of planets from 7th from it is their > > > > > debilitation points. > > > > > Here consider planet with > 4 bindus exalted then it > > > > > will send malefic dristi to ALL houses it aspects > > > > > unless it is LoD or LoE. Its it LoD or LoE it will > > > > > not harm the house. > > > > > > > > > > Now you have said exaltation signs have no > > > > > significance in this system i.e KAS. That is not a > > > > > true statmement. Please refer to Lesson 26. But for > > > > > timing of results and quality are 2 seperate things. > > > > > Marriage and quality of marriage are 2 different > > > > > things. This is not clearly given in any books. When > > > > > a planet has Multiplication Factor of 1.4 for example > > > > > Sun in aries then it gets full backing of sign so > > > > > QUANTUM of results is high.. BUT RESULT SHOULD HAPPEN > > > > > FIRST that is given by the WS. This part will come > > > > > with practice. In time when u solve more charts this > > > > > will get clear. There is a very detailed purpose and > > > > > use of Lesson 26. So everything is considered but > > > > > Lesson 26 u dont need to apply to answer someones > > > > > question " When will I marry ? " . That answer you will > > > > > get from WS. When will I get a job if that question > > > > > is asked and Quality of Job are 2 different things > > > > > that is mostly mixed up. > > > > > > > > > > Now for your chart see timing of results for > > > > > particular event. You will get your answer. > > > > > > > > > > So we do use every aspect of Vedic Astrolgy. In fact > > > > > you need to first know Vedic Astrology to learn this > > > > > system. With this system you can time events and lots > > > > > of things that are given in VA become more clear. > > > > > > > > > > For D charts we have not got lesson on it. D charts > > > > > give hidden strength of planet. Each house in > > > > > represents so many things and D charts make it clear. > > > > > So first we get idea from Rasi and Navamsa. Both have > > > > > equal status. > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion is not to mix systems. KAS is a > > > > > complete system. To find strength of each and every > > > > > planet for all 12 houses at a glance. > > > > > > > > > > Hope that clarifies your doubts, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <prafulla.gang@r...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for clarifications and guidance notes. I > > > > > > am confused on two > > > > > > issues: > > > > > > > > > > > > a. while adding for points for planet in D or E, > > > > > > is there any > > > > > > exceptions for not considering the points for > > > > > > planets placed there. Eg. > > > > > > In my chart, for H1- moon (with 5 points) is in D > > > > > > with more than 4 > > > > > > points, but the points have not been added for 7b. > > > > > > Likewise, I was > > > > > > looking at H11, points for venus was skipped. > > > > > > > > > > > > b. if a planet (not the lord of D or E), aspects > > > > > > its own house, then > > > > > > also will it carry malefic aspect. In my humble > > > > > > opinion, NO. else, the > > > > > > house aspected by its own lord will be weak; and at > > > > > > many places in > > > > > > lessons, this aspect has been positively rated and > > > > > > in normal astrology > > > > > > this is fortifying aspect (Shri Krushna ji may > > > > > > clarify this). For > > > > > > example in H1, Jupiter lost -11 points twice due to > > > > > > single aspect > > > > > > firstly by aspecting its own sign pisces and then > > > > > > being aspected by its > > > > > > positioning lord moon. Otherwise, on strength > > > > > > parameter, Jupiter is > > > > > > exalted in most divisional charts (I understand that > > > > > > exaltations have no > > > > > > role in Shri Krushna ji's theory). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate the fact that, this theory brings lots > > > > > > of fine tuned > > > > > > indicators for a planet to fructify results, but > > > > > > will it negate the > > > > > > strength, where a house is aspected by its own house > > > > > > lord, or a sign is > > > > > > aspected by its own dispositor. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please excuse me if I am sounded argumentative. I am > > > > > > not. I am just > > > > > > readings lessons and seeing how can the strength be > > > > > > worked out in line > > > > > > with the interpretative essence of lessons. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards/Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Search - Find what you're looking for faster > > > > > http://search. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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