Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 Dear Ash, I have to say that in every one of your mails there something new to learn.In this particular case,how did you home into a possible problem in her ovaries?You have given the reason but it could mean so many other things also.I have the chart of a lady who has 0 in her 8th house from Saturn placed exalted in her Lagna.She does not have any such problem and she got married before she was 17.But she had many abortions before she was 24!But it was a passing phase and no permenant damage was done. Also,does low points in SAV for 8th house pose a longevitiy problem? There is a rule that if the planet in the 4th is the 12th Lord to B,then the planet in the 10th place cannot do much good for the matters relating to B.How is this adjusted in the work sheet?Is this about that you have written in one of your earlier mails as follows? "7) Finally you would make adjustment of points got from 12th lord from B. Here if you are studying say 5th house, you would deduct points gained by the lord of 4th house (12th from B=5)." Is it done automatically in the latest W.S? Regards Kaimal - ashsam73 <ashsam73 Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:39 PM *SPAM ALERT* [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Curse and remedy question > Dear Kaimal,> Yes, one also needs to verify chart further. Since the option of 3 > years were given and 3 different dates keeping birth time of 11:40 > makes it very difficult. > > The first question I asked was on marriage. With leo lagna there are > 2 zeores in SAV as well as shani is causing full delay. The lady > also does not have blessings of Guru or Father or mother. Mostly all > points are low for 7th house, 4th, 5th and 12th house. Guru is in > libra and Venus to sun distance is 45.somethign degree and venus in > nak of rahu. So marriage should be delayed to about 30 years..> > With Virgo lagna there is only 1 zero in the 8th and no delay due to > shani .. still there is slight delay due to shani as its giving a > zero to 8th. > > The other events I tried to time blindly based on Ashtakvarg points > and most are in the vicinity. But with rectification as you know is > most difficult and for that one needs a thorough knowledge of a > system. I am a student. > > > The way I try to rectify chart (upto now) is by timing event. > The Logic I follow is that If birth time is right then it follows > that all events should match of life. > > I tried to see if she was prone to cancer, and the answer was that > yes she had some benign tumour. The area was Ovaries that also I had > given as shani was giving 0 points to 8th house. Marriage time also > matches as she married in Guru antra which is LoD or 4th lord however > with low points. Child birth also match. I said first child would > be conceived just after marriage i.e in Guru antra itself. Check the > points of Guru for 11th house. Next antra was that of Shani and > shani has low points for 11th house. So no child. Here I had > predicted a childbirth due to fact that shani is karak (6thlord) and > samdharmi to Venus who has highest points however shani does have low > point. At this time I also would need to see the chart of her > husband but in any case I was wrong here but if you go by points then > you will notice that shani has low points for 11th house. Next antra > of mercury has high points for 11th house so it gave second child.> > Cast the points and see also compare the chart between virgo and leo > and then for all 3 years and all 3 dates.> > Body marks, birth marks etc can also be used but I have not persued > the chart further. Again physical features and tall/short/medium, > round/flat etc must be understood keeping in mind desha/kaal/paatra > principle and these are all relative. > > These are all with virgo lagna. The same can be done for all 3 years > and all 3 dates and all major periods of her life verifiried with her > appearance etc... its a long and tedious task and one need many more > events of life to verify and this task may take lots of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 Dear Ash, Thanks for the 2 mails.Yes,I certinly need that push from you to keep the momentum going!So let me churn my mind and intellect and see whether I can make some sense out of the Chart as a whole.But this verification of birth time is a complex task and I may need your guidance.I will make an effort and come back to you.Here I am using KAS only. Regards Kaimal - ashsam73 Friday, March 12, 2004 10:44 PM *SPAM ALERT* Re: Moon - Rahu - Ketu Dear Kaimal and Group,First thing one must do is verify if the birth time is right. That is the of of the first step in the start of an analysis. If the birth time is wrong everything may go wrong. So one must deligently verfy some events rather than take the time given blindly. For that one must be confident of whatever system that they follow. That is the reason on this list you will see in the preface section Krushnaji has asked to give details of events of life. You will also notice other senior persons will first verify the events and if you go through the archives you will also see some anylasis where persons have been very sure of their birth time but the evnets had not matched and Krushnaji told them that the birth time is not accurate and despite the insistance of the native and with the rectified time Krushaji had prediced an event about 14 months down the road about the native would become a father.After 14 months or so the native came back to the list and confirmed that his wife was pregnant. These exchanges are all in the archives. Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 Hi Ash, This is a loaded question. J I don’t know what Krushna will say, but here are a few of my thoughts on your question… I think that the Moon conjoining Rahu ultimately results in spoiling the Moon…to what degree is what needs to be ascertained. This association makes one both a bit psychic and a bit hysterical or irrational, while Moon conjoining Ketu may bring about a separative influence to the individual – at times even spiritual. But the degree of impact for either condition manifestations (whether mild or severe) needs to be ascertained and thoroughly evaluated, to enable us to judge the magnitude of these effects, and therefore the impact in any given chart. So with Moon conjoining Ketu and aspecting Rahu, OR the Moon conjoining Rahu and aspecting Ketu, I think we have to seriously consider quite a few things…Like perhaps the sign and the house that these placements are occurring in, for determining the results. This enables us to get an idea of what conditions these associations/aspects are occurring under - and where they will have an impact. (Like Ra/Mo posited in the 6th will have adverse results for one’s marriage – but the magnitude of disturbance will be dependent on the lord of the sign and the lord of the constellation, and linked to their respective planetary conditions.) So as well, we need to have a good look into their respective constellations and dispositors, and evaluate both their positions and conditions to evaluate the condition under which the Moon and nodes are being housed. The positions of these lords (disposition and nakshatra lords) can help us determine the magnitude of the effect, while the houses and signs can help us determine where these are likely to manifest. In addition to this, we should also take into consideration the power of the Moon – and for the conjunction - the orbital distance for the lunar impact of Rahu and/or Ketu. Just my 2 cents… All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com ashsam73 [ashsam73] Tuesday, March 09, 2004 12:40 AM To: Moon - Rahu - Ketu Dear Krushnaji, I was thinking on this matter and would like your insights and guidance on this matter. What is the difference when Moon is conjoining Rahu as compared to when Moon is conjoining Ketu (which means rahu is 180 degrees opposite Moon) ? Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 Hi Sandy, Welcome back to the list and I hope you are feeling better. As always your mails have very good points. Here are some thoughts and to give you some background on why I asked this question. I agree with you that Rahu with Moon makes the persons very indecicive, moody, temperamental, obscessive basically in short changing rather afflicting the mind. Similarly Rahu also changes quality of Guru and Mars also. This part I understand. With Guru its called chandal yog and with Mars it can give problems in child birth etc etc ....... Regarding strength too I understand, and as per KAS also the degree difference between Moon and Rahu i.e. if its < 15 degrees then results are worst and more than 15 degrees it is still affected but the affliction is to a lesser degree. In a chart I have also seen that 3rd lord who was Moon in his mahadasha death did not happen and that was a chart discussed and Krushnaji mentioned to check the status of Moon and lo and behold Moon was conjoining with Rahu < 3 degrees. So such an auspicious event like death also Moon was unable to give. I agree with you that when Rahu and Moon are in 6th house then person may be obscessive about work thereby reducing the quality of Marriage. Also Rahu in nakshatra of 6th lord and afflicting moon will make a person very Cruel and cold. Now my question was more in terms of difference between conjoining v/s aspecting. What I am thinking of is that Rahus spoils Moon. So what is the difference when 1) Rahu is conjoining Moon v/s 2) Ketu is conjoining Moon (which means Rahu is 180 degrees opposite Moon). v/s 3) Rahu in 5th, 9th, 7th (covered in point 2), 12th from Moon Is the effect same or is there a difference. Like is the Moon spoilt more when it conjoins Rahu or when it is aspected by Rahu. Also degree of aspect i.e if they are exact trines then they come together in navamsa or in rasi if they are very close then pretty much in all d charts this moon will get affected. What are these subtle differences (between conjoing or aspecting) and what is it doing to moon subtly. After that next is Ketu. What is Ketu doing to moon. Or is it because Rahu is 180 degrees opposite that we consider this effect. Also Ketu with Moon makes a person having short temper. Is this due to Ketu or due to Rahu who again is 180 degrees away ? Cheers !!! Ash , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> wrote: > Hi Ash, > > > > This is a loaded question. :-) I don't know what Krushna will say, but > here are a few of my thoughts on your question. > > > > I think that the Moon conjoining Rahu ultimately results in spoiling the > Moon.to what degree is what needs to be ascertained. This association > makes one both a bit psychic and a bit hysterical or irrational, while > Moon conjoining Ketu may bring about a separative influence to the > individual - at times even spiritual. But the degree of impact for > either condition manifestations (whether mild or severe) needs to be > ascertained and thoroughly evaluated, to enable us to judge the > magnitude of these effects, and therefore the impact in any given chart. > > > > So with Moon conjoining Ketu and aspecting Rahu, OR the Moon conjoining > Rahu and aspecting Ketu, I think we have to seriously consider quite a > few things.Like perhaps the sign and the house that these placements are > occurring in, for determining the results. This enables us to get an > idea of what conditions these associations/aspects are occurring under - > and where they will have an impact. (Like Ra/Mo posited in the 6th will > have adverse results for one's marriage - but the magnitude of > disturbance will be dependent on the lord of the sign and the lord of > the constellation, and linked to their respective planetary conditions.) > > > > So as well, we need to have a good look into their respective > constellations and dispositors, and evaluate both their positions and > conditions to evaluate the condition under which the Moon and nodes are > being housed. The positions of these lords (disposition and nakshatra > lords) can help us determine the magnitude of the effect, while the > houses and signs can help us determine where these are likely to > manifest. In addition to this, we should also take into consideration > the power of the Moon - and for the conjunction - the orbital distance > for the lunar impact of Rahu and/or Ketu. > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > All the Best, > > Sandy Crowther > > http://www.jupitersweb.com <http://www.jupitersweb.com%20/> > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73] > Tuesday, March 09, 2004 12:40 AM > > Moon - Rahu - Ketu > > > > Dear Krushnaji, > > I was thinking on this matter and would like your insights and > guidance on this matter. > > What is the difference when Moon is conjoining Rahu as compared to > when Moon is conjoining Ketu (which means rahu is 180 degrees > opposite Moon) ? > > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > _____ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 Dear Ash and Sandy, Interesting discussion! Before meeting KAS, I'd always been taught and read that the nodes don't really have an opposition aspect: as they are like two sides of a (generally rather bad) coin, I considered it enough to take only the conjunction into account. I still find this new logic of a 7th aspect as well as the conjunction a bit confusing, as I would have thought they would have negated temselves in that case, but I'll think on it. By the way Ash, I have Ketu conjunct Moon in 3rd house in Gemini (10° orb), and I really don't think I have a short temper, BUT IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE... Best wishes Graham , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Hi Sandy, > Welcome back to the list and I hope you are feeling better. > > As always your mails have very good points. Here are some thoughts > and to give you some background on why I asked this question. > > I agree with you that Rahu with Moon makes the persons very > indecicive, moody, temperamental, obscessive basically in short > changing rather afflicting the mind. > > Similarly Rahu also changes quality of Guru and Mars also. This > part I understand. With Guru its called chandal yog and with Mars it > can give problems in child birth etc etc ....... > > > Regarding strength too I understand, and as per KAS also the degree > difference between Moon and Rahu i.e. if its < 15 degrees then > results are worst and more than 15 degrees it is still affected but > the affliction is to a lesser degree. > > In a chart I have also seen that 3rd lord who was Moon in his > mahadasha death did not happen and that was a chart discussed and > Krushnaji mentioned to check the status of Moon and lo and behold > Moon was conjoining with Rahu < 3 degrees. So such an auspicious > event like death also Moon was unable to give. > > I agree with you that when Rahu and Moon are in 6th house then person > may be obscessive about work thereby reducing the quality of > Marriage. > > Also Rahu in nakshatra of 6th lord and afflicting moon will make a > person very Cruel and cold. > > Now my question was more in terms of difference between conjoining > v/s aspecting. What I am thinking of is that Rahus spoils Moon. > So what is the difference when > > 1) Rahu is conjoining Moon > v/s > 2) Ketu is conjoining Moon (which means Rahu is 180 degrees opposite > Moon). > v/s > 3) Rahu in 5th, 9th, 7th (covered in point 2), 12th from Moon > > Is the effect same or is there a difference. Like is the Moon spoilt > more when it conjoins Rahu or when it is aspected by Rahu. > > Also degree of aspect i.e if they are exact trines then they come > together in navamsa or in rasi if they are very close then pretty > much in all d charts this moon will get affected. > > What are these subtle differences (between conjoing or aspecting) and > what is it doing to moon subtly. > > After that next is Ketu. What is Ketu doing to moon. Or is it > because Rahu is 180 degrees opposite that we consider this effect. > > Also Ketu with Moon makes a person having short temper. Is this due > to Ketu or due to Rahu who again is 180 degrees away ? > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , " Sandy Crowther " > <sandy@t...> wrote: > > Hi Ash, > > > > > > > > This is a loaded question. :-) I don't know what Krushna will say, > but > > here are a few of my thoughts on your question. > > > > > > > > I think that the Moon conjoining Rahu ultimately results in > spoiling the > > Moon.to what degree is what needs to be ascertained. This > association > > makes one both a bit psychic and a bit hysterical or irrational, > while > > Moon conjoining Ketu may bring about a separative influence to the > > individual - at times even spiritual. But the degree of impact for > > either condition manifestations (whether mild or severe) needs to be > > ascertained and thoroughly evaluated, to enable us to judge the > > magnitude of these effects, and therefore the impact in any given > chart. > > > > > > > > So with Moon conjoining Ketu and aspecting Rahu, OR the Moon > conjoining > > Rahu and aspecting Ketu, I think we have to seriously consider > quite a > > few things.Like perhaps the sign and the house that these > placements are > > occurring in, for determining the results. This enables us to get an > > idea of what conditions these associations/aspects are occurring > under - > > and where they will have an impact. (Like Ra/Mo posited in the 6th > will > > have adverse results for one's marriage - but the magnitude of > > disturbance will be dependent on the lord of the sign and the lord > of > > the constellation, and linked to their respective planetary > conditions.) > > > > > > > > So as well, we need to have a good look into their respective > > constellations and dispositors, and evaluate both their positions > and > > conditions to evaluate the condition under which the Moon and nodes > are > > being housed. The positions of these lords (disposition and > nakshatra > > lords) can help us determine the magnitude of the effect, while the > > houses and signs can help us determine where these are likely to > > manifest. In addition to this, we should also take into > consideration > > the power of the Moon - and for the conjunction - the orbital > distance > > for the lunar impact of Rahu and/or Ketu. > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > > > > All the Best, > > > > Sandy Crowther > > > > http://www.jupitersweb.com <http://www.jupitersweb.com%20/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73] > > Tuesday, March 09, 2004 12:40 AM > > > > Moon - Rahu - Ketu > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, > > > > I was thinking on this matter and would like your insights and > > guidance on this matter. > > > > What is the difference when Moon is conjoining Rahu as compared to > > when Moon is conjoining Ketu (which means rahu is 180 degrees > > opposite Moon) ? > > > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 Dear Graham and Sandy, As per VA also this combination of Rahu and moon is called shakti yog. It fires up the mind makes one obscessive after his aim. What we are saying here is that this combination makes one indecicive and such people also act whimsical especially near pournima or amavashya (new moon or full moon night) and crazy or mad after their aim. From what I have heard a lot of saints or spiritual people I beleive have this combination. Graham, yes nodes have aspect, its in the lesson of love marriage where we check aspect of Rahu of male on Mars of female when finding attraction. Ketu also has aspect but I have not seen it used in KAS but I am still learning so maybe sometime in future somethign may come up where it might be used but so far its not been used but it does have aspect. The aspects are 5,7,9 and 2. There are again different schools of thoughts who say that Ketu is the headless body so he cant see so he cant aspect. So I just want to avoid controversies so am mentioning that too. Graham, you brought out the point. Now you have 3 nakshatras in Gemini, first 6deg40 is of Mars, then of Rahu himself and then of Guru. This will also have affect on nature of Moon just as Sandy said. Yes, its turning out to be an interesting discussion. Lets see what Margarita and other members have to say and Krushnaji too. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Graham Fox " <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > Dear Ash and Sandy, > Interesting discussion! Before meeting KAS, I'd always been taught > and read that the nodes don't really have an opposition aspect: as > they are like two sides of a (generally rather bad) coin, I > considered it enough to take only the conjunction into account. I > still find this new logic of a 7th aspect as well as the conjunction > a bit confusing, as I would have thought they would have negated > temselves in that case, but I'll think on it. > By the way Ash, I have Ketu conjunct Moon in 3rd house in Gemini > (10° orb), and I really don't think I have a short temper, BUT IF > YOU WANT TO ARGUE... > Best wishes > Graham > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Hi Sandy, > > Welcome back to the list and I hope you are feeling better. > > > > As always your mails have very good points. Here are some > thoughts > > and to give you some background on why I asked this question. > > > > I agree with you that Rahu with Moon makes the persons very > > indecicive, moody, temperamental, obscessive basically in short > > changing rather afflicting the mind. > > > > Similarly Rahu also changes quality of Guru and Mars also. This > > part I understand. With Guru its called chandal yog and with Mars > it > > can give problems in child birth etc etc ....... > > > > > > Regarding strength too I understand, and as per KAS also the > degree > > difference between Moon and Rahu i.e. if its < 15 degrees then > > results are worst and more than 15 degrees it is still affected > but > > the affliction is to a lesser degree. > > > > In a chart I have also seen that 3rd lord who was Moon in his > > mahadasha death did not happen and that was a chart discussed and > > Krushnaji mentioned to check the status of Moon and lo and behold > > Moon was conjoining with Rahu < 3 degrees. So such an auspicious > > event like death also Moon was unable to give. > > > > I agree with you that when Rahu and Moon are in 6th house then > person > > may be obscessive about work thereby reducing the quality of > > Marriage. > > > > Also Rahu in nakshatra of 6th lord and afflicting moon will make a > > person very Cruel and cold. > > > > Now my question was more in terms of difference between conjoining > > v/s aspecting. What I am thinking of is that Rahus spoils > Moon. > > So what is the difference when > > > > 1) Rahu is conjoining Moon > > v/s > > 2) Ketu is conjoining Moon (which means Rahu is 180 degrees > opposite > > Moon). > > v/s > > 3) Rahu in 5th, 9th, 7th (covered in point 2), 12th from Moon > > > > Is the effect same or is there a difference. Like is the Moon > spoilt > > more when it conjoins Rahu or when it is aspected by Rahu. > > > > Also degree of aspect i.e if they are exact trines then they come > > together in navamsa or in rasi if they are very close then pretty > > much in all d charts this moon will get affected. > > > > What are these subtle differences (between conjoing or aspecting) > and > > what is it doing to moon subtly. > > > > After that next is Ketu. What is Ketu doing to moon. Or is it > > because Rahu is 180 degrees opposite that we consider this effect. > > > > Also Ketu with Moon makes a person having short temper. Is this > due > > to Ketu or due to Rahu who again is 180 degrees away ? > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , " Sandy Crowther " > > <sandy@t...> wrote: > > > Hi Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a loaded question. :-) I don't know what Krushna will > say, > > but > > > here are a few of my thoughts on your question. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that the Moon conjoining Rahu ultimately results in > > spoiling the > > > Moon.to what degree is what needs to be ascertained. This > > association > > > makes one both a bit psychic and a bit hysterical or irrational, > > while > > > Moon conjoining Ketu may bring about a separative influence to > the > > > individual - at times even spiritual. But the degree of impact > for > > > either condition manifestations (whether mild or severe) needs > to be > > > ascertained and thoroughly evaluated, to enable us to judge the > > > magnitude of these effects, and therefore the impact in any > given > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > So with Moon conjoining Ketu and aspecting Rahu, OR the Moon > > conjoining > > > Rahu and aspecting Ketu, I think we have to seriously consider > > quite a > > > few things.Like perhaps the sign and the house that these > > placements are > > > occurring in, for determining the results. This enables us to > get an > > > idea of what conditions these associations/aspects are occurring > > under - > > > and where they will have an impact. (Like Ra/Mo posited in the > 6th > > will > > > have adverse results for one's marriage - but the magnitude of > > > disturbance will be dependent on the lord of the sign and the > lord > > of > > > the constellation, and linked to their respective planetary > > conditions.) > > > > > > > > > > > > So as well, we need to have a good look into their respective > > > constellations and dispositors, and evaluate both their > positions > > and > > > conditions to evaluate the condition under which the Moon and > nodes > > are > > > being housed. The positions of these lords (disposition and > > nakshatra > > > lords) can help us determine the magnitude of the effect, while > the > > > houses and signs can help us determine where these are likely to > > > manifest. In addition to this, we should also take into > > consideration > > > the power of the Moon - and for the conjunction - the orbital > > distance > > > for the lunar impact of Rahu and/or Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > > > > > > > > All the Best, > > > > > > Sandy Crowther > > > > > > http://www.jupitersweb.com <http://www.jupitersweb.com%20/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73] > > > Tuesday, March 09, 2004 12:40 AM > > > > > > Moon - Rahu - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, > > > > > > I was thinking on this matter and would like your insights and > > > guidance on this matter. > > > > > > What is the difference when Moon is conjoining Rahu as compared > to > > > when Moon is conjoining Ketu (which means rahu is 180 degrees > > > opposite Moon) ? > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 Dear Ash, Graham, and Group, Thanks for the “welcome back”…I’m feeling great, thank you. With respect to your question Ash, in my experience I would have to say that the conjunction takes precedence over any other aspect and therefore has a more definitive impact – irrespective of whether or not the planetary energies involve the nodes, or any other planets. My brain cells work this way (when they are working J). I’ll use an analogy to simplify things, that Graham may better relate to also. If two people are in the same room (conjunction) and have totally different natures, they are highly likely to get on each other’s nerves, and therefore they impact each other very effectively (can be for good or for bad). Because of the tight proximity of the size of the room (orb), they may have high intensity impact on each other (tight orb/small room), or a mild degree of space to get away (wide orb/large room) – but irrespective of that they will impact each other more so by virtue of being in the same room, and the impact is felt more than the energy that they receive from the guy across the hall (7th). So if the energies are either down the hall (5th/9th) or across the hall (7th) they are still in alignment to have an effect - simply because they must meet up with each other in the bathroom, kitchen, and/or dining room, but there is a bit more ‘wiggle room’ to maintain some sense of individuality when there is a bit of distance that separates them. Now being close ‘roomies’ (conjunctions) and having interactions with a nasty property manager living in the building (dispositor) and an equally nasty landlord (nakshatra lord) – well – matters certainly can quickly go from bad to worse, and the situation can get intolerable. So IMHO, I think the effect is more intense when the conjunction takes place, even though effects will still be felt by the other parties living in the 5th, 7th, and 9th, whom these ‘roomies’ they must share their kitchen and bath privileges with. So they can all get on each others nerves, but the ‘roommates’ (conjunctions) have the most intensified effects, and therefore I feel that the energy is reflected more profoundly by the close planetary energies of their roommate over their fellow dorm partners. I hope I understood you correctly this time J and that this made some sense…If not – I’ll leave it to another to step in. Others may also have different views…Thanks. All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com Graham Fox [fox.graham] Tuesday, March 09, 2004 6:05 PM To: Re: Moon - Rahu - Ketu Dear Ash and Sandy, Interesting discussion! Before meeting KAS, I'd always been taught and read that the nodes don't really have an opposition aspect: as they are like two sides of a (generally rather bad) coin, I considered it enough to take only the conjunction into account. I still find this new logic of a 7th aspect as well as the conjunction a bit confusing, as I would have thought they would have negated temselves in that case, but I'll think on it. By the way Ash, I have Ketu conjunct Moon in 3rd house in Gemini (10° orb), and I really don't think I have a short temper, BUT IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE... Best wishes Graham , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Hi Sandy, > Welcome back to the list and I hope you are feeling better. > > As always your mails have very good points. Here are some thoughts > and to give you some background on why I asked this question. > > I agree with you that Rahu with Moon makes the persons very > indecicive, moody, temperamental, obscessive basically in short > changing rather afflicting the mind. > > Similarly Rahu also changes quality of Guru and Mars also. This > part I understand. With Guru its called chandal yog and with Mars it > can give problems in child birth etc etc ........ > > > Regarding strength too I understand, and as per KAS also the degree > difference between Moon and Rahu i.e. if its < 15 degrees then > results are worst and more than 15 degrees it is still affected but > the affliction is to a lesser degree. > > In a chart I have also seen that 3rd lord who was Moon in his > mahadasha death did not happen and that was a chart discussed and > Krushnaji mentioned to check the status of Moon and lo and behold > Moon was conjoining with Rahu < 3 degrees. So such an auspicious > event like death also Moon was unable to give. > > I agree with you that when Rahu and Moon are in 6th house then person > may be obscessive about work thereby reducing the quality of > Marriage. > > Also Rahu in nakshatra of 6th lord and afflicting moon will make a > person very Cruel and cold. > > Now my question was more in terms of difference between conjoining > v/s aspecting. What I am thinking of is that Rahus spoils Moon. > So what is the difference when > > 1) Rahu is conjoining Moon > v/s > 2) Ketu is conjoining Moon (which means Rahu is 180 degrees opposite > Moon). > v/s > 3) Rahu in 5th, 9th, 7th (covered in point 2), 12th from Moon > > Is the effect same or is there a difference. Like is the Moon spoilt > more when it conjoins Rahu or when it is aspected by Rahu. > > Also degree of aspect i.e if they are exact trines then they come > together in navamsa or in rasi if they are very close then pretty > much in all d charts this moon will get affected. > > What are these subtle differences (between conjoing or aspecting) and > what is it doing to moon subtly. > > After that next is Ketu. What is Ketu doing to moon. Or is it > because Rahu is 180 degrees opposite that we consider this effect. > > Also Ketu with Moon makes a person having short temper. Is this due > to Ketu or due to Rahu who again is 180 degrees away ? > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > --- In , " Sandy Crowther " > <sandy@t...> wrote: > > Hi Ash, > > > > > > > > This is a loaded question. :-) I don't know what Krushna will say, > but > > here are a few of my thoughts on your question. > > > > > > > > I think that the Moon conjoining Rahu ultimately results in > spoiling the > > Moon.to what degree is what needs to be ascertained. This > association > > makes one both a bit psychic and a bit hysterical or irrational, > while > > Moon conjoining Ketu may bring about a separative influence to the > > individual - at times even spiritual. But the degree of impact for > > either condition manifestations (whether mild or severe) needs to be > > ascertained and thoroughly evaluated, to enable us to judge the > > magnitude of these effects, and therefore the impact in any given > chart. > > > > > > > > So with Moon conjoining Ketu and aspecting Rahu, OR the Moon > conjoining > > Rahu and aspecting Ketu, I think we have to seriously consider > quite a > > few things.Like perhaps the sign and the house that these > placements are > > occurring in, for determining the results. This enables us to get an > > idea of what conditions these associations/aspects are occurring > under - > > and where they will have an impact. (Like Ra/Mo posited in the 6th > will > > have adverse results for one's marriage - but the magnitude of > > disturbance will be dependent on the lord of the sign and the lord > of > > the constellation, and linked to their respective planetary > conditions.) > > > > > > > > So as well, we need to have a good look into their respective > > constellations and dispositors, and evaluate both their positions > and > > conditions to evaluate the condition under which the Moon and nodes > are > > being housed. The positions of these lords (disposition and > nakshatra > > lords) can help us determine the magnitude of the effect, while the > > houses and signs can help us determine where these are likely to > > manifest. In addition to this, we should also take into > consideration > > the power of the Moon - and for the conjunction - the orbital > distance > > for the lunar impact of Rahu and/or Ketu. > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > > > > All the Best, > > > > Sandy Crowther > > > > http://www.jupitersweb.com <http://www.jupitersweb.com%20/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73] > > Tuesday, March 09, 2004 12:40 AM > > To: > > Moon - Rahu - Ketu > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, > > > > I was thinking on this matter and would like your insights and > > guidance on this matter. > > > > What is the difference when Moon is conjoining Rahu as compared to > > when Moon is conjoining Ketu (which means rahu is 180 degrees > > opposite Moon) ? > > > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 Hello Ash, I agree with you about the obsessuive nature of Rahu on the Moon. It all depends of course on the closeness of the conjunction and perhaps also on the strength of the Moon (full, waxing, waning) but I have not studied this. In my opinion (but I can be wrong) I feel that Rahu spoils the Moon when conjunct rather than the Sun. But Ketu spoils the Sun. Perhaps I have not studied enough charts to have a firm opinion on this and of course we also have to look at the birthchart as a whole. I have not seen aspects of the nodes have an impact in the birthchart but Krushna uses the aspects of Rahu together with Mars and Saturn to determine compatibility between girl's and boy's chart for marriage. I think this is very valuable and I find it to be correct in the charts I've studied. Best regards Margarita ashsam73 wrote: >Dear Graham and Sandy, > >As per VA also this combination of Rahu and moon is called shakti >yog. It fires up the mind makes one obscessive after his aim. What >we are saying here is that this combination makes one indecicive and >such people also act whimsical especially near pournima or amavashya >(new moon or full moon night) and crazy or mad after their aim. > > >From what I have heard a lot of saints or spiritual people I beleive >have this combination. > >Graham, yes nodes have aspect, its in the lesson of love marriage >where we check aspect of Rahu of male on Mars of female when finding >attraction. Ketu also has aspect but I have not seen it used in KAS >but I am still learning so maybe sometime in future somethign may >come up where it might be used but so far its not been used but it >does have aspect. The aspects are 5,7,9 and 2. > >There are again different schools of thoughts who say that Ketu is >the headless body so he cant see so he cant aspect. So I just want >to avoid controversies so am mentioning that too. > >Graham, you brought out the point. Now you have 3 nakshatras in >Gemini, first 6deg40 is of Mars, then of Rahu himself and then of >Guru. This will also have affect on nature of Moon just as Sandy >said. > >Yes, its turning out to be an interesting discussion. Lets see what >Margarita and other members have to say and Krushnaji too. > >Thanking you, >Cheers !!! >Ash > > > > > > , " Graham Fox " ><fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > Dear Ash and Sandy, > > Interesting discussion! Before meeting KAS, I'd always been taught > > and read that the nodes don't really have an opposition aspect: as > > they are like two sides of a (generally rather bad) coin, I > > considered it enough to take only the conjunction into account. I > > still find this new logic of a 7th aspect as well as the >conjunction > > a bit confusing, as I would have thought they would have negated > > temselves in that case, but I'll think on it. > > By the way Ash, I have Ketu conjunct Moon in 3rd house in Gemini > > (10° orb), and I really don't think I have a short temper, BUT IF > > YOU WANT TO ARGUE... > > Best wishes > > Graham > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Hi Sandy, > > > Welcome back to the list and I hope you are feeling better. > > > > > > As always your mails have very good points. Here are some > > thoughts > > > and to give you some background on why I asked this question. > > > > > > I agree with you that Rahu with Moon makes the persons very > > > indecicive, moody, temperamental, obscessive basically in short > > > changing rather afflicting the mind. > > > > > > Similarly Rahu also changes quality of Guru and Mars also. This > > > part I understand. With Guru its called chandal yog and with >Mars > > it > > > can give problems in child birth etc etc ....... > > > > > > > > > Regarding strength too I understand, and as per KAS also the > > degree > > > difference between Moon and Rahu i.e. if its < 15 degrees then > > > results are worst and more than 15 degrees it is still affected > > but > > > the affliction is to a lesser degree. > > > > > > In a chart I have also seen that 3rd lord who was Moon in his > > > mahadasha death did not happen and that was a chart discussed and > > > Krushnaji mentioned to check the status of Moon and lo and behold > > > Moon was conjoining with Rahu < 3 degrees. So such an auspicious > > > event like death also Moon was unable to give. > > > > > > I agree with you that when Rahu and Moon are in 6th house then > > person > > > may be obscessive about work thereby reducing the quality of > > > Marriage. > > > > > > Also Rahu in nakshatra of 6th lord and afflicting moon will make >a > > > person very Cruel and cold. > > > > > > Now my question was more in terms of difference between >conjoining > > > v/s aspecting. What I am thinking of is that Rahus spoils > > Moon. > > > So what is the difference when > > > > > > 1) Rahu is conjoining Moon > > > v/s > > > 2) Ketu is conjoining Moon (which means Rahu is 180 degrees > > opposite > > > Moon). > > > v/s > > > 3) Rahu in 5th, 9th, 7th (covered in point 2), 12th from Moon > > > > > > Is the effect same or is there a difference. Like is the Moon > > spoilt > > > more when it conjoins Rahu or when it is aspected by Rahu. > > > > > > Also degree of aspect i.e if they are exact trines then they come > > > together in navamsa or in rasi if they are very close then pretty > > > much in all d charts this moon will get affected. > > > > > > What are these subtle differences (between conjoing or aspecting) > > and > > > what is it doing to moon subtly. > > > > > > After that next is Ketu. What is Ketu doing to moon. Or is it > > > because Rahu is 180 degrees opposite that we consider this effect. > > > > > > Also Ketu with Moon makes a person having short temper. Is this > > due > > > to Ketu or due to Rahu who again is 180 degrees away ? > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sandy Crowther " > > > <sandy@t...> wrote: > > > > Hi Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a loaded question. :-) I don't know what Krushna will > > say, > > > but > > > > here are a few of my thoughts on your question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that the Moon conjoining Rahu ultimately results in > > > spoiling the > > > > Moon.to what degree is what needs to be ascertained. This > > > association > > > > makes one both a bit psychic and a bit hysterical or >irrational, > > > while > > > > Moon conjoining Ketu may bring about a separative influence to > > the > > > > individual - at times even spiritual. But the degree of impact > > for > > > > either condition manifestations (whether mild or severe) needs > > to be > > > > ascertained and thoroughly evaluated, to enable us to judge the > > > > magnitude of these effects, and therefore the impact in any > > given > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So with Moon conjoining Ketu and aspecting Rahu, OR the Moon > > > conjoining > > > > Rahu and aspecting Ketu, I think we have to seriously consider > > > quite a > > > > few things.Like perhaps the sign and the house that these > > > placements are > > > > occurring in, for determining the results. This enables us to > > get an > > > > idea of what conditions these associations/aspects are >occurring > > > under - > > > > and where they will have an impact. (Like Ra/Mo posited in the > > 6th > > > will > > > > have adverse results for one's marriage - but the magnitude of > > > > disturbance will be dependent on the lord of the sign and the > > lord > > > of > > > > the constellation, and linked to their respective planetary > > > conditions.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So as well, we need to have a good look into their respective > > > > constellations and dispositors, and evaluate both their > > positions > > > and > > > > conditions to evaluate the condition under which the Moon and > > nodes > > > are > > > > being housed. The positions of these lords (disposition and > > > nakshatra > > > > lords) can help us determine the magnitude of the effect, while > > the > > > > houses and signs can help us determine where these are likely to > > > > manifest. In addition to this, we should also take into > > > consideration > > > > the power of the Moon - and for the conjunction - the orbital > > > distance > > > > for the lunar impact of Rahu and/or Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the Best, > > > > > > > > Sandy Crowther > > > > > > > > http://www.jupitersweb.com <http://www.jupitersweb.com%20/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73] > > > > Tuesday, March 09, 2004 12:40 AM > > > > > > > > Moon - Rahu - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, > > > > > > > > I was thinking on this matter and would like your insights and > > > > guidance on this matter. > > > > > > > > What is the difference when Moon is conjoining Rahu as compared > > to > > > > when Moon is conjoining Ketu (which means rahu is 180 degrees > > > > opposite Moon) ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 Dear Graham, Ash, Kaimal, Margarita, and Group, While we are hashing out the nodes, nodal aspects, etc, I think that everything that has been said amongst all participants appears to be uniform amongst us. Graham, with respect to the nodal 2nd aspect, I have heard of it, but have not researched it enough to form an opinion of the impact one way or another, and therefore didn’t mention it. (One more thing on my list of things ‘to do’. J) Graham, with respect to your chart – I had a minute, and quickly ran it. And no, you don’t appear to be either a ‘saint or a psychopath’. J Upon a brief glance, I just wanted to give you a few of my thoughts with respect to your Ke/Mo conjunction – which is not at all tight – but close enough for impact. (The room you both share can be tense, but is not that small - with an 8 degree orb). J First, I’d like to cover a few of the qualities of Ketu, as opposed to qualities that Rahu exhibits. Ketu, in my experience, is not nearly as damaging, obsessive, or materialistically desirous as Rahu. While Rahu qualities show the wild and tricky side of ourselves, Ketu reflects more of a detachment or separation of our nature – often reflecting flashes of insights and higher states of consciousness. Rahu can be obsessive, impulsive, manipulative, eccentric, hard to contain – and these are not traits I would assign to Ketu…not even close. So it’s important to establish the differences. (But others may have different opinions). Graham, in your chart, the fact that you have Ketu conjoining Moon in the 3rd in Gemini, with their respective panchadha (compound relationships) being hosted by Mercury – who is neutral to Moon and enemy to Ketu – enables us to see indecisiveness from this. Why? Me/Mo is a mind factor, with moon in Nakshatra of Jupiter (good qualities with no restrictions or limitations), therefore taking the ‘higher’ road. The Mo/Ke is occurring in the 3rd house of communications in an air sign - (sensitive to change) – with Gemini reflecting the ‘dual’ side of your nature. The plus factors in all of this show that you are likely to have good mediator skills - because you are able to see both sides of the coin in intellectual discussions - and at the same time, are affected, impacted, and swayed by communications – often resulting in indecisiveness. So in my opinion, being both balanced and indecisiveness is more reflective of this particular Ke/Mo combo in your chart – especially given the fact that Ketu is posited on the bhava Madhya (cusp) of your third, and therefore tightly influencing the communications and absorptions of what you hear. I didn’t run your KAS worksheet (out of time), but given the fact that the nodes tightly impact the cusps of all the odd numbered houses, it would be interesting to see how Ketu has impacted your sibling relations with respect to communications (if you have siblings), along with how you may have been impacted - even in early life - with respect to communicating, or even if you have had any difficult experiences with dexterity or mobility issues– especially with respect to the arms/shoulders. Then Ketu aspecting the 7th, 9th, and 11th can give more detailed info about relationships, dharma, and gains – taking into consideration everything that we have previously discussed in other emails…so this brief observation is just the tip of the iceberg – with so much more to factor in for the details. So to me, the fact that the nodal involvement is tightly conjunct the odd numbered bhava madhyas (cusps) in your chart with only 11 minutes of separation, will strongly show the impact the nodes have on the significations of the houses (environment). The naisargika (natural) relationship between the Moon and the Nodes is that of enmity – so whenever we have these combinations, some difficulty is certainly present. But how much and to what degree is determined by a synthesis and integration of thoroughly evaluating other relevant factors as well. Just my 2 cents…J I rushed because I’m supposed to be somewhere else right now - Hope I didn’t make too many careless errors…L All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com Graham Fox [fox.graham] Wednesday, March 10, 2004 5:35 AM *SPAM ALERT* Re: Moon - Rahu - Ketu Dear Sandy, Ash, Kaimal and all, I find Sandy's analogies very helpful: a conjunction would also seem to me to take precedence over an aspect. What worries me a bit is this 7th aspect of the nodes in KAS -- I still think that would tend to cancel out the conjunction, if it happened, as Rahu is sort of an opposite of Ketu (both being being negative, but in different ways). I notice Sandy doesn't mention the 2nd aspect, which indeed I'd never heard of until exploring KAS. My modest experience suggests that Ketu too has aspects (conjunction, 5 and 9, anyway -- I haven't looked into the 2nd aspect properly). I've also heard that Rahu/Moon close conjunctions can give extreme mentalities: perhaps saints, but also psychopaths and " false prophets " (e.g. Charles Manson). Of course many other factors (house, orb, dispositors etc) would have to be taken into account. For information, my Ketu is in nakshatra of Rahu in Gemini in 3rd, 8° from Moon in Punarvasu (Jupiter), also in 3rd. My Rahu is in naksh. of Ketu in Sag., 12° from the Sun in naksh. of Venus (so, Sun and Rahu in 9th). (Born 8th January 1955 at 13h38'30 " at Yan Kit, Singapore, 103°58E, 1°21N, GMT -7h30). I'm not a saint or a psychopath, I don't think I have a short temper, but I do find I'm indecisive and sometimes get too carried away by often short-lived enthusiasms. I haven't noticed if this happens more near full or new moons. I'll try and observe! Best wishes Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 Dear Sandy, Many thanks for all your work with Donna, and for your very interesting and often remarkably accurate remarks about my chart. Because of the very tight aspect to the ascendant, I'd always assumed the indecisive/ sometimes obsessive /worrying side plus attraction for " abroad " (now live in France) would come from there, but maybe an influence on the Moon is more for mental/psychological qualities and ascendant more for body (but I don't have psoriasis either!). Some comments below in (): (BTW, will try to dig up a photo to post, but don't have any recent ones as I don't like being photographed -- must mean something!) > > First, I'd like to cover a few of the qualities of Ketu, as opposed to > qualities that Rahu exhibits. Ketu, in my experience, is not nearly as > damaging, obsessive, or materialistically desirous as Rahu. While Rahu > qualities show the wild and tricky side of ourselves, Ketu reflects more > of a detachment or separation of our nature – often reflecting flashes > of insights and higher states of consciousness. Rahu can be obsessive, > impulsive, manipulative, eccentric, hard to contain – and these are not > traits I would assign to Ketu…not even close. So it's important to > establish the differences. (But others may have different opinions). > (I can be obsessive, impulsive at times but also quite careful, maybe occasionally manipulative, hard to judge yoursel on that one! I would say I'm rather detached and have definitely often separated from places, jobs, people...)> > > Graham, in your chart, the fact that you have Ketu conjoining Moon in > the 3rd in Gemini, with their respective panchadha (compound > relationships) being hosted by Mercury – who is neutral to Moon and > enemy to Ketu – enables us to see indecisiveness from this. Why? Me/Mo > is a mind factor, with moon in Nakshatra of Jupiter (good qualities with > no restrictions or limitations), therefore taking the `higher' road. The > Mo/Ke is occurring in the 3rd house of communications in an air sign - > (sensitive to change) – with Gemini reflecting the `dual' side of your > nature. The plus factors in all of this show that you are likely to have > good mediator skills - because you are able to see both sides of the > coin in intellectual discussions - and at the same time, are affected, > impacted, and swayed by communications – often resulting in > indecisiveness. > >(I think that's broadly the case) > > So in my opinion, being both balanced and indecisiveness is more > reflective of this particular Ke/Mo combo in your chart – especially > given the fact that Ketu is posited on the bhava Madhya (cusp) of your > third, and therefore tightly influencing the communications and > absorptions of what you hear. I didn't run your KAS worksheet (out of > time), but given the fact that the nodes tightly impact the cusps of all > the odd numbered houses, it would be interesting to see how Ketu has > impacted your sibling relations with respect to communications (if you > have siblings), along with how you may have been impacted - even in > early life - with respect to communicating, or even if you have had any > difficult experiences with dexterity or mobility issues– especially with > respect to the arms/shoulders. Then Ketu aspecting the 7th, 9th, and > 11th can give more detailed info about relationships, dharma, and gains > – taking into consideration everything that we have previously discussed > in other emails…so this brief observation is just the tip of the iceberg > – with so much more to factor in for the details. > (I have a brother, who I get on quite well with in a detached, separated sort of way. He's had more Ketu-type events in his life than me: erratic behaviour, general crises. My events have been more Rahu, I think -- live abroad, out of place in England, a bit of a worrier, restless. I've never had any particular dexterity problems, learnt to play the flute and piano OK and I don't look at the keys too much when typing, no arm injuries or problems, broken thumb when about 5, good at languages, enjoy communicating in general)> > > So to me, the fact that the nodal involvement is tightly conjunct the > odd numbered bhava madhyas (cusps) in your chart with only 11 minutes of > separation, will strongly show the impact the nodes have on the > significations of the houses (environment). The naisargika (natural) > relationship between the Moon and the Nodes is that of enmity – so > whenever we have these combinations, some difficulty is certainly > present. But how much and to what degree is determined by a synthesis > and integration of thoroughly evaluating other relevant factors as well. > Just my 2 cents…:-) > (at least ten bucks, I'd say! Thanks again - Graham)> > >> > <http://www.jupitersweb.com> http://www.jupitersweb.com > > > > > > Graham Fox [fox.graham@w...] > Wednesday, March 10, 2004 5:35 AM > > *SPAM ALERT* Re: Moon - Rahu - Ketu > > > > Dear Sandy, Ash, Kaimal and all, > I find Sandy's analogies very helpful: a conjunction would also seem > to me to take precedence over an aspect. What worries me a bit is > this 7th aspect of the nodes in KAS -- I still think that would tend > to cancel out the conjunction, if it happened, as Rahu is sort of an > opposite of Ketu (both being being negative, but in different ways). > I notice Sandy doesn't mention the 2nd aspect, which indeed I'd > never heard of until exploring KAS. My modest experience suggests > that Ketu too has aspects (conjunction, 5 and 9, anyway -- I haven't > looked into the 2nd aspect properly). I've also heard that Rahu/Moon > close conjunctions can give extreme mentalities: perhaps saints, but > also psychopaths and " false prophets " (e.g. Charles Manson). Of > course many other factors (house, orb, dispositors etc) would have > to be taken into account. > For information, my Ketu is in nakshatra of Rahu in Gemini in 3rd, > 8° from Moon in Punarvasu (Jupiter), also in 3rd. My Rahu is in > naksh. of Ketu in Sag., 12° from the Sun in naksh. of Venus (so, Sun > and Rahu in 9th). (Born 8th January 1955 at 13h38'30 " at Yan Kit, > Singapore, 103°58E, 1°21N, GMT -7h30). I'm not a saint or a > psychopath, I don't think I have a short temper, but I do find I'm > indecisive and sometimes get too carried away by often short-lived > enthusiasms. I haven't noticed if this happens more near full or new > moons. I'll try and observe! > Best wishes > Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 Dear Graham, I just casted your chart. Interesting chart I must say. You are lucky. You have the blessings of your guru. Also Lagna and 7th lords are in 5:9. However Karak for marriage is Venus and its distance to Sun is 45 degrees and Shani is getting power and turning very malefic by taking points and becoming SD to 6th lord. Venus again is in navamsa of Virgo so SD to 6th lord and in neecha sthan. Sa is SD to Me as well as in Navamsa of mercury. Moon has gone into 3rd house and is lord of 4th house. SAV points of 4th house is also less i.e. 27. Its again with Ketu i.e. inflenced by Rahu so spoiled further. This will keep you away from Home. Sa/Ke - Might have got first job. Sa/Su - Might have come close to someone or relationship / marriage. Lagna/3rd lords are in 3:11 so relationship with sibblings are good. This you have given in your mail. Relationship with father also must be good rather you must get along great with him and must be close to him. You would also get along with your partners. I am not too sure with your marriage. Guru is aspecting Venus and Venus to Sun distance is 45 degrees however this venus is not aspected by Shani in rasi or navamsa. Guru checks this venus. So thi may give marriage. Shani is getting very malefic due to 6th lord in your chart so periods of Shani might be more tense for your marriage. I feel you Sa/Sun might be a period where you might have come close to someone or marry. I would be very curious to know what the facts are. The period of Sa/Sun is 1979/07 thru 1980/06. Also now 6th lord is in 10th and lagna points are high with Moon and Ketu at about 10 degrees so you would be alergic to authority and you would not like being told what to do or bossed around. Also your lagna points are high i.e. 32 so again you must be adament and very hard working. Moon in navamsa of Mars. Average intellegence and more service oriented. Will have to work hard for your income. More work less money. Savings will be little. Might have changed jobs in Sa/Ma antra i.e. between 1982/01 thru 1983/02. I would appreciate your comments as it will help me learn. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash , " Graham Fox " <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > Dear Sandy, > Many thanks for all your work with Donna, and for your very > interesting and often remarkably accurate remarks about my chart. > Because of the very tight aspect to the ascendant, I'd always > assumed the indecisive/ sometimes obsessive /worrying side plus > attraction for " abroad " (now live in France) would come from there, > but maybe an influence on the Moon is more for mental/psychological > qualities and ascendant more for body (but I don't have psoriasis > either!). Some comments below in (): > (BTW, will try to dig up a photo to post, but don't have any recent > ones as I don't like being photographed -- must mean something!) > > > > First, I'd like to cover a few of the qualities of Ketu, as > opposed to > > qualities that Rahu exhibits. Ketu, in my experience, is not > nearly as > > damaging, obsessive, or materialistically desirous as Rahu. While > Rahu > > qualities show the wild and tricky side of ourselves, Ketu > reflects more > > of a detachment or separation of our nature – often reflecting > flashes > > of insights and higher states of consciousness. Rahu can be > obsessive, > > impulsive, manipulative, eccentric, hard to contain – and these > are not > > traits I would assign to Ketu…not even close. So it's important to > > establish the differences. (But others may have different > opinions). > > > (I can be obsessive, impulsive at times but also quite careful, > maybe occasionally manipulative, hard to judge yoursel on that one! > I would say I'm rather detached and have definitely often separated > from places, jobs, people...)> > > > > Graham, in your chart, the fact that you have Ketu conjoining Moon > in > > the 3rd in Gemini, with their respective panchadha (compound > > relationships) being hosted by Mercury – who is neutral to Moon and > > enemy to Ketu – enables us to see indecisiveness from this. Why? > Me/Mo > > is a mind factor, with moon in Nakshatra of Jupiter (good > qualities with > > no restrictions or limitations), therefore taking the `higher' > road. The > > Mo/Ke is occurring in the 3rd house of communications in an air > sign - > > (sensitive to change) – with Gemini reflecting the `dual' side of > your > > nature. The plus factors in all of this show that you are likely > to have > > good mediator skills - because you are able to see both sides of > the > > coin in intellectual discussions - and at the same time, are > affected, > > impacted, and swayed by communications – often resulting in > > indecisiveness. > > > >(I think that's broadly the case) > > > > So in my opinion, being both balanced and indecisiveness is more > > reflective of this particular Ke/Mo combo in your chart – > especially > > given the fact that Ketu is posited on the bhava Madhya (cusp) of > your > > third, and therefore tightly influencing the communications and > > absorptions of what you hear. I didn't run your KAS worksheet (out > of > > time), but given the fact that the nodes tightly impact the cusps > of all > > the odd numbered houses, it would be interesting to see how Ketu > has > > impacted your sibling relations with respect to communications (if > you > > have siblings), along with how you may have been impacted - even in > > early life - with respect to communicating, or even if you have > had any > > difficult experiences with dexterity or mobility issues– > especially with > > respect to the arms/shoulders. Then Ketu aspecting the 7th, 9th, > and > > 11th can give more detailed info about relationships, dharma, and > gains > > – taking into consideration everything that we have previously > discussed > > in other emails…so this brief observation is just the tip of the > iceberg > > – with so much more to factor in for the details. > > > (I have a brother, who I get on quite well with in a detached, > separated sort of way. He's had more Ketu-type events in his life > than me: erratic behaviour, general crises. My events have been more > Rahu, I think -- live abroad, out of place in England, a bit of a > worrier, restless. I've never had any particular dexterity problems, > learnt to play the flute and piano OK and I don't look at the keys > too much when typing, no arm injuries or problems, broken thumb when > about 5, good at languages, enjoy communicating in general)> > > > > So to me, the fact that the nodal involvement is tightly conjunct > the > > odd numbered bhava madhyas (cusps) in your chart with only 11 > minutes of > > separation, will strongly show the impact the nodes have on the > > significations of the houses (environment). The naisargika > (natural) > > relationship between the Moon and the Nodes is that of enmity – so > > whenever we have these combinations, some difficulty is certainly > > present. But how much and to what degree is determined by a > synthesis > > and integration of thoroughly evaluating other relevant factors as > well. > > Just my 2 cents…:-) > > > (at least ten bucks, I'd say! Thanks again - Graham)> > > > >> > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com> http://www.jupitersweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham Fox [fox.graham@w...] > > Wednesday, March 10, 2004 5:35 AM > > > > *SPAM ALERT* Re: Moon - Rahu - > Ketu > > > > > > > > Dear Sandy, Ash, Kaimal and all, > > I find Sandy's analogies very helpful: a conjunction would also > seem > > to me to take precedence over an aspect. What worries me a bit is > > this 7th aspect of the nodes in KAS -- I still think that would > tend > > to cancel out the conjunction, if it happened, as Rahu is sort of > an > > opposite of Ketu (both being being negative, but in different > ways). > > I notice Sandy doesn't mention the 2nd aspect, which indeed I'd > > never heard of until exploring KAS. My modest experience suggests > > that Ketu too has aspects (conjunction, 5 and 9, anyway -- I > haven't > > looked into the 2nd aspect properly). I've also heard that > Rahu/Moon > > close conjunctions can give extreme mentalities: perhaps saints, > but > > also psychopaths and " false prophets " (e.g. Charles Manson). Of > > course many other factors (house, orb, dispositors etc) would have > > to be taken into account. > > For information, my Ketu is in nakshatra of Rahu in Gemini in 3rd, > > 8° from Moon in Punarvasu (Jupiter), also in 3rd. My Rahu is in > > naksh. of Ketu in Sag., 12° from the Sun in naksh. of Venus (so, > Sun > > and Rahu in 9th). (Born 8th January 1955 at 13h38'30 " at Yan Kit, > > Singapore, 103°58E, 1°21N, GMT -7h30). I'm not a saint or a > > psychopath, I don't think I have a short temper, but I do find I'm > > indecisive and sometimes get too carried away by often short- lived > > enthusiasms. I haven't noticed if this happens more near full or > new > > moons. I'll try and observe! > > Best wishes > > Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Hi to all A very interesting point when it comes to rahu and ketu, as very seldom, we have definite rule for their interpretation. Firstly, rahu, Saturn and venus are few planets, which can bless material prosperity (I have yet to see a chart, which concludes Jupiter as true significator of wealth). Secondly, Rahu/ketu have tremendous malefic resultants. Since the are the only karmic planets, their results are often binding (good or bad). In my opinion, for rahu/ketu- They are benefic only when (a) in conjunction/aspect (influenced) by yogakarka planet and (b) positioned in Kendra/trine. Both the conditions have to be fulfilled, and if yes, then it works as yogakarka planet for that chart. Thirdly, rahu's transit over natal sun, mercury, venus is often positive growth cycle and ketu's one is corrective cycle. (I have tested this with atleast 100 charts) I have compiled notes on rahu/ketu, which might not be in line with KAS, but may share with you all, if this is permitted. Regards/Prafulla Thursday, March 11, 2004 1:05 AM Digest Number 1075 There are 10 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. RE: Moon - Rahu - Ketu " Sandy Crowther " <sandy 2. Re: Moon - Rahu - Ketu " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 3. Re: Moon - Rahu - Ketu " Graham Fox " <fox.graham 4. Re: Moon - Rahu - Ketu " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 5. RE: Re: Moon - Rahu - Ketu " Sandy Crowther " <sandy 6. Re: *SPAM ALERT* Re: Moon - Rahu - Ketu SRCKaimal <srckaimal 7. *SPAM ALERT* Re: Moon - Rahu - Ketu " Graham Fox " <fox.graham 8. Re: Re: Moon - Rahu - Ketu margarita lettens <dmlettens 9. Re: Moon - Rahu - Ketu " Sandy Crowther " <sandy 10. Re: Krushna's FAQ Corner! Donna Quinn <DQuinn12 ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Tue, 9 Mar 2004 16:04:16 -0500 " Sandy Crowther " <sandy RE: Moon - Rahu - Ketu Hi Ash, This is a loaded question. :-) I don't know what Krushna will say, but here are a few of my thoughts on your question. I think that the Moon conjoining Rahu ultimately results in spoiling the Moon.to what degree is what needs to be ascertained. This association makes one both a bit psychic and a bit hysterical or irrational, while Moon conjoining Ketu may bring about a separative influence to the individual - at times even spiritual. But the degree of impact for either condition manifestations (whether mild or severe) needs to be ascertained and thoroughly evaluated, to enable us to judge the magnitude of these effects, and therefore the impact in any given chart. So with Moon conjoining Ketu and aspecting Rahu, OR the Moon conjoining Rahu and aspecting Ketu, I think we have to seriously consider quite a few things.Like perhaps the sign and the house that these placements are occurring in, for determining the results. This enables us to get an idea of what conditions these associations/aspects are occurring under - and where they will have an impact. (Like Ra/Mo posited in the 6th will have adverse results for one's marriage - but the magnitude of disturbance will be dependent on the lord of the sign and the lord of the constellation, and linked to their respective planetary conditions.) So as well, we need to have a good look into their respective constellations and dispositors, and evaluate both their positions and conditions to evaluate the condition under which the Moon and nodes are being housed. The positions of these lords (disposition and nakshatra lords) can help us determine the magnitude of the effect, while the houses and signs can help us determine where these are likely to manifest. In addition to this, we should also take into consideration the power of the Moon - and for the conjunction - the orbital distance for the lunar impact of Rahu and/or Ketu. Just my 2 cents. All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com <http://www.jupitersweb.com%20/> -----Original Message----- ashsam73 [ashsam73] Tuesday, March 09, 2004 12:40 AM Moon - Rahu - Ketu Dear Krushnaji, I was thinking on this matter and would like your insights and guidance on this matter. What is the difference when Moon is conjoining Rahu as compared to when Moon is conjoining Ketu (which means rahu is 180 degrees opposite Moon) ? Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Dear Ash, Thanks very much for your detailed analysis of my chart. Here are my comments (in brackets) >You are lucky. You have the blessings of your guru. Also Lagna and 7th lords are in 5:9. (but lord of 1st in 12th…) >However Karak for marriage is Venus and its distance to Sun is 45 degrees and Shani is getting power and turning very malefic by taking points and becoming SD to 6th lord. Venus again is in navamsa of Virgo so SD to 6th lord and in neecha sthan. Sa is SD to Me as well as in Navamsa of mercury. (Saturn is indeed in Mercury's sign in D9, but the D9 doesn't seem very coherent to me. If we move the ayanamsha just 5', Saturn is in Taurus in D9, same dispositor as in rashi. I'll have to think, maybe even adjust birth time again, though I'm pretty sure about it. My military hospital birth certificate says 13h35, I've rectified it to 13h38'30 " based on three traditional Western techniques of rectification (i.e. not dependent on ayanamsha value), and the chart has generally worked well. Also in D9, Mercury and Ketu are in 6th, yet Sa/Me and Sa/Ke were only periods of close partners and cohabitation, finishing with Venus AD, debilitated as you point out: would this make more sense if Me + Ke were in 7th in D9? Apart from navamsa placing, Saturn is 10th from Mercury with fewer AV points, so from that point of view it would be Mercury SD to Saturn. So apart from navamsha placing, surely Sa is not otherwise SD to Mercury?) >Moon has gone into 3rd house and is lord of 4th house. SAV points of 4th house is also less i.e. 27. Its again with Ketu i.e. inflenced by Rahu so spoiled further. This will keep you away from Home. (Yes, this has come up in previous messages; I admit I don't understand the predominance of the opposition of Rahu over the conjuction of Ketu. Remember Rahu very closely aspects my ascendant degree, which could account for the Rahu-like features) >Sa/Ke - Might have got first job. (No – first student holiday job in Sa/Me, first proper job in Sa/Ve) >Sa/Su - Might have come close to someone or relationship / marriage. (No, as I said Sa/Me and Sa/Ke – also tail end of Sa/Sa, just before) >Lagna/3rd lords are in 3:11 so relationship with sibblings are good. This you have given in your mail. Relationship with father also must be good rather you must get along great with him and must be close to him. (We get on not too badly now, he's nearly 80 and my mother died in February 2000, but he still gets on my nerves, I'm afraid. Got on rather badly with him in childhood and most of adult life. Why did you think we got on well? I was definitely closer to mother. There's a rule my teacher Denis Labouré taught me, that if natural signifier of a relative is in ascendant of D12, there will be friction with that person, it seems true for me and my father.) >You would also get along with your partners. (I haven't had many, and once I didn't get on with them, we broke up. But I get on well with people I've shared houses and flats with, who aren't partners. Also get on well, nearly always, with work partners.) >I am not too sure with your marriage. Guru is aspecting Venus and Venus to Sun distance is 45 degrees however this venus is not aspected by Shani in rasi or navamsa. Guru checks this venus. So thi may give marriage. Shani is getting very malefic due to 6th lord in your chart so periods of Shani might be more tense for your marriage. (Is this 6th lord reference because of Saturn being in Mercury's sign Gemini in navamsha? I can't see another connection. I'm not married, had a couple of girlfriends when I was 17/18, then realised I was more homosexual and my girlfriends were really just friends, lived with a man my own age for 18 months in Sa/Me and Sa/Ke, then broke with him in Sa/Ve. No more cohabitation with partners, sexual partners only very intermittently since then.) >I feel you Sa/Sun might be a period where you might have come close to someone or marry. I would be very curious to know what the facts are. The period of Sa/Sun is 1979/07 thru 1980/06. (No, no lasting partners in that period. Important professional partnerships with two women friends, though, both of whom I was very attracted to in a Platonic sort of way, and who are still good friends today. Why did you think this period might give marriage or similar?). >Also now 6th lord is in 10th and lagna points are high with Moon and Ketu at about 10 degrees so you would be alergic to authority and you would not like being told what to do or bossed around. Also your lagna points are high i.e. 32 so again you must be adament and very hard working. Moon in navamsa of Mars. Average intellegence and more service oriented. Will have to work hard for your income. More work less money. Savings will be little. (I don't like being bossed around, of course, but I think I put up with it better than many people when it happens. I've nearly always managed to find work where I'm not bossed around, some maybe I am allergic to it. Denis Labouré, at my first consultation with him, told me something similar, but for a different reason: Sun in ascendant of D12 means you need independence in your work. I can be hard-working, but am slow to get going and waste a lot of time and effort. I wouldn't say I'm particularly adamant, except when I really set my heart on something or some achievement, then I nearly always get it – so maybe that is adamant! I would modestly suggest that I'm of somewhat above average intelligence, though I still get into a muddle with things like mental arithmetic, Vedic astrology, etc! Language skills good.) >Might have changed jobs in Sa/Ma antra i.e. between 1982/01 thru 1983/02. (No, I was in the middle of Ph.D. studies with a grant at the time, only doing occasional odd bits of translation and so on to top up grant. I did have a very major job change in Merc/Mars, autumn 1997). Thanks very much for your comments, Ash, which have helped me learn as well! The main thing I don't understand is the navamsa. I'll let you know if I have more thoughts. Very best wishes Graham , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Graham, > I just casted your chart. Interesting chart I must say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Correction -- regarding attitude to authority at work, I should have written " Sun in ascendant of D10 " makes you want to be independent in your work. Sorry Graham , " Graham Fox " <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > Dear Ash, > Thanks very much for your detailed analysis of my chart. Here are my > comments (in brackets) > >You are lucky. You have the blessings of your guru. Also Lagna and > 7th lords are in 5:9. > (but lord of 1st in 12th…) > >However Karak for marriage is Venus and its distance to Sun is 45 > degrees and Shani is getting power and turning very malefic by taking > points and becoming SD to 6th lord. Venus again is in navamsa of > Virgo so SD to 6th lord and in neecha sthan. Sa is SD to Me as well > as in Navamsa of mercury. > (Saturn is indeed in Mercury's sign in D9, but the D9 doesn't > seem very coherent to me. If we move the ayanamsha just 5', Saturn > is in Taurus in D9, same dispositor as in rashi. I'll have to think, > maybe even adjust birth time again, though I'm pretty sure about it. > My military hospital birth certificate says 13h35, I've rectified it > to 13h38'30 " based on three traditional Western techniques of > rectification (i.e. not dependent on ayanamsha value), and the chart > has generally worked well. Also in D9, Mercury and Ketu are in 6th, > yet Sa/Me and Sa/Ke were only periods of close partners and > cohabitation, finishing with Venus AD, debilitated as you point out: > would this make more sense if Me + Ke were in 7th in D9? Apart from > navamsa placing, Saturn is 10th from Mercury with fewer AV points, > so from that point of view it would be Mercury SD to Saturn. So > apart from navamsha placing, surely Sa is not otherwise SD to > Mercury?) > > >Moon has gone into 3rd house and is lord of 4th house. SAV points of > 4th house is also less i.e. 27. Its again with Ketu i.e. inflenced > by Rahu so spoiled further. This will keep you away from Home. > (Yes, this has come up in previous messages; I admit I don't > understand the predominance of the opposition of Rahu over the > conjuction of Ketu. Remember Rahu very closely aspects my ascendant > degree, which could account for the Rahu-like features) > > >Sa/Ke - Might have got first job. > (No – first student holiday job in Sa/Me, first proper job in > Sa/Ve) > >Sa/Su - Might have come close to someone or relationship / marriage. > (No, as I said Sa/Me and Sa/Ke – also tail end of Sa/Sa, just > before) > > >Lagna/3rd lords are in 3:11 so relationship with sibblings are good. > This you have given in your mail. Relationship with father also must > be good rather you must get along great with him and must be close to > him. > (We get on not too badly now, he's nearly 80 and my mother died > in February 2000, but he still gets on my nerves, I'm afraid. Got on > rather badly with him in childhood and most of adult life. Why did > you think we got on well? I was definitely closer to mother. There's > a rule my teacher Denis Labouré taught me, that if natural signifier > of a relative is in ascendant of D12, there will be friction with > that person, it seems true for me and my father.) > > >You would also get along with your partners. > (I haven't had many, and once I didn't get on with them, we broke > up. But I get on well with people I've shared houses and flats with, > who aren't partners. Also get on well, nearly always, with work > partners.) > > >I am not too sure with your marriage. Guru is aspecting Venus and > Venus to Sun distance is 45 degrees however this venus is not > aspected by Shani in rasi or navamsa. Guru checks this venus. So > thi may give marriage. Shani is getting very malefic due to 6th lord > in your chart so periods of Shani might be more tense for your > marriage. > (Is this 6th lord reference because of Saturn being in Mercury's > sign Gemini in navamsha? I can't see another connection. I'm not > married, had a couple of girlfriends when I was 17/18, then realised > I was more homosexual and my girlfriends were really just friends, > lived with a man my own age for 18 months in Sa/Me and Sa/Ke, then > broke with him in Sa/Ve. No more cohabitation with partners, sexual > partners only very intermittently since then.) > > >I feel you Sa/Sun might be a period where you might have come close > to someone or marry. I would be very curious to know what the facts > are. The period of Sa/Sun is 1979/07 thru 1980/06. > (No, no lasting partners in that period. Important professional > partnerships with two women friends, though, both of whom I was very > attracted to in a Platonic sort of way, and who are still good > friends today. Why did you think this period might give marriage or > similar?). > > >Also now 6th lord is in 10th and lagna points are high with Moon and > Ketu at about 10 degrees so you would be alergic to authority and you > would not like being told what to do or bossed around. Also your > lagna points are high i.e. 32 so again you must be adament and very > hard working. Moon in navamsa of Mars. Average intellegence and > more service oriented. Will have to work hard for your income. More > work less money. Savings will be little. > (I don't like being bossed around, of course, but I think I put > up with it better than many people when it happens. I've nearly > always managed to find work where I'm not bossed around, some maybe > I am allergic to it. Denis Labouré, at my first consultation with > him, told me something similar, but for a different reason: Sun in > ascendant of D12 means you need independence in your work. > I can be hard-working, but am slow to get going and waste a lot of > time and effort. I wouldn't say I'm particularly adamant, except > when I really set my heart on something or some achievement, then I > nearly always get it – so maybe that is adamant! I would modestly > suggest that I'm of somewhat above average intelligence, though I > still get into a muddle with things like mental arithmetic, Vedic > astrology, etc! Language skills good.) > > >Might have changed jobs in Sa/Ma antra i.e. between 1982/01 thru > 1983/02. > (No, I was in the middle of Ph.D. studies with a grant at the > time, only doing occasional odd bits of translation and so on to top > up grant. I did have a very major job change in Merc/Mars, autumn > 1997). > Thanks very much for your comments, Ash, which have helped me learn > as well! The main thing I don't understand is the navamsa. I'll let > you know if I have more thoughts. > Very best wishes > Graham > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Graham, > > I just casted your chart. Interesting chart I must say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Dear Kaimal, All the answers are in the lessons and all laws are given. One needs to study the chart in complete light first even before going to the points. See overall chart what its telling you. There are laws given for cancer. Kaimal, one must try to understand what the points are telling us. Here looking at overall chart.. seeing so many factors I came to the conclusion about her cancer and maybe with ovaries. 8th house denotes so many things. Of body parts it shows ovaries. Refer to lesson 4. I am going to ask you some questions instead of giving you direct answer so that your thoughts start to churn. 1) What is the meaning or the essence if a house gets 0 points ? 2) Low points for any house in SAV what does it mean ? 3) What kind of event is death ? Is it auspicious or unauspicious as per this system. Lastly about the girl you said the chart you have seen who married at 17 and had abortions till age of 24 but no permenant damange... for that I shall ask you a question 1) Is 8th house responsible for that ? 2) What might be 0 showing for 8th house and are ovaries the only thing 8th house shows ? Lastly is the information given about the girl enough to say confidently that because there is a zero in the 8th house so that means it must have ovarian cancer ? Please study the lessons and tell me, I am sure you yourself will begin to see the reason. Cheers !!! Ash , SRCKaimal <srckaimal@a...> wrote: > Dear Ash, > I have to say that in every one of your mails there something new to learn.In this particular case,how did you home into a possible problem in her ovaries?You have given the reason but it could mean so many other things also.I have the chart of a lady who has 0 in her 8th house from Saturn placed exalted in her Lagna.She does not have any such problem and she got married before she was 17.But she had many abortions before she was 24!But it was a passing phase and no permenant damage was done. > Also,does low points in SAV for 8th house pose a longevitiy problem? > There is a rule that if the planet in the 4th is the 12th Lord to B,then the planet in the 10th place cannot do much good for the matters relating to B.How is this adjusted in the work sheet?Is this about that you have written in one of your earlier mails as follows? > " 7) Finally you would make adjustment of points got from 12th lord > from B. Here if you are studying say 5th house, you would deduct > points gained by the lord of 4th house (12th from B=5). " > > Is it done automatically in the latest W.S? > > > Regards > Kaimal > > > > - > ashsam73 <ashsam73> > > Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:39 PM > *SPAM ALERT* [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Curse and remedy question > > > > Dear Kaimal, > > Yes, one also needs to verify chart further. Since the option of 3 > > years were given and 3 different dates keeping birth time of 11:40 > > makes it very difficult. > > > > The first question I asked was on marriage. With leo lagna there are > > 2 zeores in SAV as well as shani is causing full delay. The lady > > also does not have blessings of Guru or Father or mother. Mostly all > > points are low for 7th house, 4th, 5th and 12th house. Guru is in > > libra and Venus to sun distance is 45.somethign degree and venus in > > nak of rahu. So marriage should be delayed to about 30 years.. > > > > With Virgo lagna there is only 1 zero in the 8th and no delay due to > > shani .. still there is slight delay due to shani as its giving a > > zero to 8th. > > > > The other events I tried to time blindly based on Ashtakvarg points > > and most are in the vicinity. But with rectification as you know is > > most difficult and for that one needs a thorough knowledge of a > > system. I am a student. > > > > > > The way I try to rectify chart (upto now) is by timing event. > > The Logic I follow is that If birth time is right then it follows > > that all events should match of life. > > > > I tried to see if she was prone to cancer, and the answer was that > > yes she had some benign tumour. The area was Ovaries that also I had > > given as shani was giving 0 points to 8th house. Marriage time also > > matches as she married in Guru antra which is LoD or 4th lord however > > with low points. Child birth also match. I said first child would > > be conceived just after marriage i.e in Guru antra itself. Check the > > points of Guru for 11th house. Next antra was that of Shani and > > shani has low points for 11th house. So no child. Here I had > > predicted a childbirth due to fact that shani is karak (6thlord) and > > samdharmi to Venus who has highest points however shani does have low > > point. At this time I also would need to see the chart of her > > husband but in any case I was wrong here but if you go by points then > > you will notice that shani has low points for 11th house. Next antra > > of mercury has high points for 11th house so it gave second child. > > > > Cast the points and see also compare the chart between virgo and leo > > and then for all 3 years and all 3 dates. > > > > Body marks, birth marks etc can also be used but I have not persued > > the chart further. Again physical features and tall/short/medium, > > round/flat etc must be understood keeping in mind desha/kaal/paatra > > principle and these are all relative. > > > > These are all with virgo lagna. The same can be done for all 3 years > > and all 3 dates and all major periods of her life verifiried with her > > appearance etc... its a long and tedious task and one need many more > > events of life to verify and this task may take lots of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Dear Kaimal and Group, First thing one must do is verify if the birth time is right. That is the of of the first step in the start of an analysis. If the birth time is wrong everything may go wrong. So one must deligently verfy some events rather than take the time given blindly. For that one must be confident of whatever system that they follow. That is the reason on this list you will see in the preface section Krushnaji has asked to give details of events of life. You will also notice other senior persons will first verify the events and if you go through the archives you will also see some anylasis where persons have been very sure of their birth time but the evnets had not matched and Krushnaji told them that the birth time is not accurate and despite the insistance of the native and with the rectified time Krushaji had prediced an event about 14 months down the road about the native would become a father. After 14 months or so the native came back to the list and confirmed that his wife was pregnant. These exchanges are all in the archives. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , SRCKaimal <srckaimal@a...> wrote: > Dear Ash, > I have to say that in every one of your mails there something new to learn.In this particular case,how did you home into a possible problem in her ovaries?You have given the reason but it could mean so many other things also.I have the chart of a lady who has 0 in her 8th house from Saturn placed exalted in her Lagna.She does not have any such problem and she got married before she was 17.But she had many abortions before she was 24!But it was a passing phase and no permenant damage was done. > Also,does low points in SAV for 8th house pose a longevitiy problem? > There is a rule that if the planet in the 4th is the 12th Lord to B,then the planet in the 10th place cannot do much good for the matters relating to B.How is this adjusted in the work sheet?Is this about that you have written in one of your earlier mails as follows? > " 7) Finally you would make adjustment of points got from 12th lord > from B. Here if you are studying say 5th house, you would deduct > points gained by the lord of 4th house (12th from B=5). " > > Is it done automatically in the latest W.S? > > > Regards > Kaimal > > > > - > ashsam73 <ashsam73> > > Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:39 PM > *SPAM ALERT* [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Curse and remedy question > > > > Dear Kaimal, > > Yes, one also needs to verify chart further. Since the option of 3 > > years were given and 3 different dates keeping birth time of 11:40 > > makes it very difficult. > > > > The first question I asked was on marriage. With leo lagna there are > > 2 zeores in SAV as well as shani is causing full delay. The lady > > also does not have blessings of Guru or Father or mother. Mostly all > > points are low for 7th house, 4th, 5th and 12th house. Guru is in > > libra and Venus to sun distance is 45.somethign degree and venus in > > nak of rahu. So marriage should be delayed to about 30 years.. > > > > With Virgo lagna there is only 1 zero in the 8th and no delay due to > > shani .. still there is slight delay due to shani as its giving a > > zero to 8th. > > > > The other events I tried to time blindly based on Ashtakvarg points > > and most are in the vicinity. But with rectification as you know is > > most difficult and for that one needs a thorough knowledge of a > > system. I am a student. > > > > > > The way I try to rectify chart (upto now) is by timing event. > > The Logic I follow is that If birth time is right then it follows > > that all events should match of life. > > > > I tried to see if she was prone to cancer, and the answer was that > > yes she had some benign tumour. The area was Ovaries that also I had > > given as shani was giving 0 points to 8th house. Marriage time also > > matches as she married in Guru antra which is LoD or 4th lord however > > with low points. Child birth also match. I said first child would > > be conceived just after marriage i.e in Guru antra itself. Check the > > points of Guru for 11th house. Next antra was that of Shani and > > shani has low points for 11th house. So no child. Here I had > > predicted a childbirth due to fact that shani is karak (6thlord) and > > samdharmi to Venus who has highest points however shani does have low > > point. At this time I also would need to see the chart of her > > husband but in any case I was wrong here but if you go by points then > > you will notice that shani has low points for 11th house. Next antra > > of mercury has high points for 11th house so it gave second child. > > > > Cast the points and see also compare the chart between virgo and leo > > and then for all 3 years and all 3 dates. > > > > Body marks, birth marks etc can also be used but I have not persued > > the chart further. Again physical features and tall/short/medium, > > round/flat etc must be understood keeping in mind desha/kaal/paatra > > principle and these are all relative. > > > > These are all with virgo lagna. The same can be done for all 3 years > > and all 3 dates and all major periods of her life verifiried with her > > appearance etc... its a long and tedious task and one need many more > > events of life to verify and this task may take lots of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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