Moon versus Ketu

March 10, 2004

Dear Graham and group -

Because of the very tight aspect to the ascendant, I'd always assumed the indecisive/ sometimes obsessive /worrying side plus attraction for "abroad" (now live in France) would come from there, but maybe an influence on the Moon is more for mental/psychological qualities and ascendant more for body (but I don't have psoriasis either!).

Oddly enough my 19 year old daughter also has this conjunction in the

same 8 degree orb as you do, except that it's in her 6th house and this

only holds true if we consider the Lahiri ayanamsha. She is also very

indecisive, obsessive, worrying and also has skin problems from time

to time. Also had asthma from the age of 2 on which seems to have

disappeared in her Saturn dasa with the right medications.. . .

Would love to travel but is afraid to go on a plane. Has had anxiety disorder ever since she went into her Saturn dasa a few years back. before that she was in her Jupiter dasa and was a totally different personality! Was outgoing, friendly, very much a people type person. . .She is very intelligent and creative, artistic and loves to listen to Jimi Hendrix and led Zeppelin music at full blast (ouch!) and od course play with her computer and watch TV. She goes to a psychologist for weekly therapy visits in order to vent her feelings and it seems to be helping her deal with these depressing issues in her life.

At the same time, I did her chart in Krushna's Ayanamsha. This totally

changes things! Her Moon which was conjunct Ketu in the 6th house in

the Lahiri chart, NOW conjuncts Saturn in her 7th house within a 5 degree

orb. Rahu and Ketu now switch from the 6-12 axis to the 1 - 7 houses (herself

versus other relationships). This pattern also makes sense because

with her Ketu conjunct her Saturn in the 7th house, it has made her a first

rate loner. She loves her solitude and does not care to be with other people

She doesn't want anything to do with relationships nor does she feel comfortable around other people because it entails having to converse and carry on a conversation. Not that she's incapable of this mind you as she can do a fairly good

job of faking it, but she prefers total isolation in spite of the fact that she knows

it's not good for her. She seems to be totally detached in this way. This of course doesn't include her immediate family; just outside friends and relatives. . .And to top it off she's now in her Saturn - Ketu dasa period which reinforces this sense of isolation and wanting to be left alone. She also feels absolutely no ambition whatsoever to do anything in her life, no passion for anything or anyone. . . very quiet, very much to herself as though she's looking at life thru a glass pane window. . .feeling very disconnected at some deep emotional level. And at the same time, she's very emotional. Sort of a paradox.. . .

So both of these placements are accurate on different levels of perception,

each looked at thru their own ayanamshas, but krushna's ayanamsha

seems to be the most accurate here because it syncs in more closely with the beginning of her depression which started shortly after my father's death in Aug of 1997. She went into her Sa-Sa period in March of 1998 a few months afterwards.

If I look at her chart thru the Lahiri ayanamsha her Sa-Sa period didn't start until

May of 1999 and she was already showing symptoms of her anxiety disorder

way before this.

For those of you interested in doing her chart, her birth data is:

Feb 11, 1985

12:23PM

Zone 5:00

West Islip, NY

40n42

73w18

ASC: 28 TAU 52 (Krushna's Ayanamsha)

Some comments below in ():(BTW, will try to dig up a photo to post, but don't have any recent ones as I don't like being photographed -- must mean something!)

All I need is a mug shot, something within the last 2 years at least,

so we have a clue. . .)

Thanks!

Donna

March 11, 2004

Dear Donna,

Interesting comparison! I'll try and have a close look at your

daughter's chart this WE. It certainly seems that the Krushna

ayanamsha is giving clearer results. The Rahu in ascendant sign and

Ketu in 7th makes sense, from what you say. The things about your

daughter that seem to me to be similar to me could then maybe be

partly explained by my Rahu close aspect to first cusp (ascendant

degree), and Ketu's aspect to same degree of 7th.

I've now stuck a very recent mug shot in the photo album...

Best wishes

Graham

, Donna Quinn

<DQuinn12@o...> wrote:

> Dear Graham and group -

>

> Because of the very tight aspect to the ascendant, I'd always

> assumed the indecisive/ sometimes obsessive /worrying side plus

> attraction for " abroad " (now live in France) would come from

there,

> but maybe an influence on the Moon is more for

mental/psychological

> qualities and ascendant more for body (but I don't have psoriasis

> either!).

>

> Oddly enough my 19 year old daughter also has this conjunction in

the

> same 8 degree orb as you do, except that it's in her 6th house and

this

> only holds true if we consider the Lahiri ayanamsha. She is also

very

> indecisive, obsessive, worrying and also has skin problems from

time

> to time. Also had asthma from the age of 2 on which seems to have

> disappeared in her Saturn dasa with the right medications.. . .

> Would love to travel but is afraid to go on a plane. Has had

anxiety disorder ever since she went into her Saturn dasa a few

years back. before that she was in her Jupiter dasa and was a

totally different personality! Was outgoing, friendly, very much a

people type person. . .She is very intelligent and creative,

artistic and loves to listen to Jimi Hendrix and led Zeppelin music

at full blast (ouch!) and od course play with her computer and watch

TV. She goes to a psychologist for weekly therapy visits in order to

vent her feelings and it seems to be helping her deal with these

depressing issues in her life.

>

> At the same time, I did her chart in Krushna's Ayanamsha. This

totally

> changes things! Her Moon which was conjunct Ketu in the 6th house

in

> the Lahiri chart, NOW conjuncts Saturn in her 7th house within a 5

degree

> orb. Rahu and Ketu now switch from the 6-12 axis to the 1 - 7

houses (herself

> versus other relationships). This pattern also makes sense because

> with her Ketu conjunct her Saturn in the 7th house, it has made

her a first

> rate loner. She loves her solitude and does not care to be with

other people

> She doesn't want anything to do with relationships nor does she

feel comfortable around other people because it entails having to

converse and carry on a conversation. Not that she's incapable of

this mind you as she can do a fairly good

> job of faking it, but she prefers total isolation in spite of the

fact that she knows

> it's not good for her. She seems to be totally detached in this

way. This of course doesn't include her immediate family; just

outside friends and relatives. . .And to top it off she's now in

her Saturn - Ketu dasa period which reinforces this sense of

isolation and wanting to be left alone. She also feels absolutely

no ambition whatsoever to do anything in her life, no passion for

anything or anyone. . . very quiet, very much to herself as though

she's looking at life thru a glass pane window. . .feeling very

disconnected at some deep emotional level. And at the same time,

she's very emotional. Sort of a paradox.. . .

>

> So both of these placements are accurate on different levels of

perception,

> each looked at thru their own ayanamshas, but krushna's ayanamsha

> seems to be the most accurate here because it syncs in more

closely with the beginning of her depression which started shortly

after my father's death in Aug of 1997. She went into her Sa-Sa

period in March of 1998 a few months afterwards.

>

> If I look at her chart thru the Lahiri ayanamsha her Sa-Sa period

didn't start until

> May of 1999 and she was already showing symptoms of her anxiety

disorder

> way before this.

>

> For those of you interested in doing her chart, her birth data is:

>

> Feb 11, 1985

> 12:23PM

> Zone 5:00

> West Islip, NY

> 40n42

> 73w18

> ASC: 28 TAU 52 (Krushna's Ayanamsha)

>

> Some comments below in ():

> (BTW, will try to dig up a photo to post, but don't have any

recent

> ones as I don't like being photographed -- must mean something!)

>

> All I need is a mug shot, something within the last 2 years at

least,

> so we have a clue. . .)

>

> Thanks!

> Donna

March 11, 2004

Dear Graham -

> Interesting comparison! I'll try and have a close look at your > daughter's chart this WE. It certainly seems that the Krushna > ayanamsha is giving clearer results. The Rahu in ascendant sign and > Ketu in 7th makes sense, from what you say. The things about your > daughter that seem to me to be similar to me could then maybe be > partly explained by my Rahu close aspect to first cusp (ascendant > degree), and Ketu's aspect to same degree of 7th.

Yeah, it's always good to look at the similarities and see what connects

the dots sometimes.

> I've now stuck a very recent mug shot in the photo album...

See? That wasn't so bad was it? ) You look fine! Now all you have to do is g

to the website and click on any picture. Fill in that information for yourself and

send it to me in a private email, so i can add it to your profile and you'll be all set!

Donna

March 11, 2004

Dear Donna,

What information? All I get is bigger pictures.

Graham

, Donna Quinn

<DQuinn12@o...> wrote:

> Dear Graham -

>

> > Interesting comparison! I'll try and have a close look at your

> > daughter's chart this WE. It certainly seems that the Krushna

> > ayanamsha is giving clearer results. The Rahu in ascendant sign

and

> > Ketu in 7th makes sense, from what you say. The things about

your

> > daughter that seem to me to be similar to me could then maybe be

> > partly explained by my Rahu close aspect to first cusp

(ascendant

> > degree), and Ketu's aspect to same degree of 7th.

>

> Yeah, it's always good to look at the similarities and see what

connects

> the dots sometimes.

>

> > I've now stuck a very recent mug shot in the photo album...

>

> See? That wasn't so bad was it? ) You look fine! Now all you

have to do is g

> to the website and click on any picture. Fill in that information

for yourself and

> send it to me in a private email, so i can add it to your profile

and you'll be all set!

>

> Donna

March 11, 2004

Dear Graham -

>> What information? All I get is bigger pictures.

Click on any photo in the photo gallery. Yes you will g et a larger photo,

but if you scroll down y ou will also see a table that will be filled with profile

information in some photos, and nothing in other photos depending on who

added theirs or not. it includes:

Any information that you would like to include about yourself, such as being the

creator of a website for example or a professional astrologer perhaps. If so, then

leave your website address. Also give your EMAIL address. Then I will fill in on the

bottom table for your photo these things:

BIRTHDATE:

LAGNA:

PROFESSION:

HOBBIES:

STATUS:

Thanks -

Donna

March 11, 2004

Hi Donna,

I've scrolled down all the photos in their bigger versions, found no

tables or other info on anybody. Sorry, maybe I am of below average

intelligence after all!

Graham

, Donna Quinn

<DQuinn12@o...> wrote:

>

> Dear Graham -

>

> >> What information? All I get is bigger pictures.

>

> Click on any photo in the photo gallery. Yes you will g et a

larger photo,

> but if you scroll down y ou will also see a table that will be

filled with profile

> information in some photos, and nothing in other photos depending

on who

> added theirs or not. it includes:

>

> Any information that you would like to include about yourself,

such as being the

> creator of a website for example or a professional astrologer

perhaps. If so, then

> leave your website address. Also give your EMAIL address. Then I

will fill in on the

> bottom table for your photo these things:

>

> BIRTHDATE:

> LAGNA:

> PROFESSION:

> HOBBIES:

> STATUS:

>

> Thanks -

> Donna

March 11, 2004

Ah! it's in the Members section, not the photos section. Will send

you details soon.

Graham

, " Graham Fox "

<fox.graham@w...> wrote:

> Hi Donna,

> I've scrolled down all the photos in their bigger versions, found

no

> tables or other info on anybody. Sorry, maybe I am of below

average

> intelligence after all!

> Graham

> , Donna Quinn

> <DQuinn12@o...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Graham -

> >

> > >> What information? All I get is bigger pictures.

> >

> > Click on any photo in the photo gallery. Yes you will g et a

> larger photo,

> > but if you scroll down y ou will also see a table that will be

> filled with profile

> > information in some photos, and nothing in other photos

depending

> on who

> > added theirs or not. it includes:

> >

> > Any information that you would like to include about yourself,

> such as being the

> > creator of a website for example or a professional astrologer

> perhaps. If so, then

> > leave your website address. Also give your EMAIL address. Then I

> will fill in on the

> > bottom table for your photo these things:

> >

> > BIRTHDATE:

> > LAGNA:

> > PROFESSION:

> > HOBBIES:

> > STATUS:

> >

> > Thanks -

> > Donna

March 12, 2004

Dear Donna,

I find your daughter's chart very hard to evaluate: the nodes are

very close to the border Aries/Taurus, and as you say, both

placements for the nodes seem to be coherent in their own way. As we

said, the 1-7 axis would seem to make sense, but then again if the

nodes are right at the end of 12 and 6, they would be in very tight

aspect to the cusps (ascendant degree) of 12/4/8 (and 1 if we

include the aspect of 2) for Rahu, and 6/10/2 (and 7 if we include

aspect of 2) for Ketu. Plus maybe an aspect of 7 of Rahu. Ketu would

be in same sign and quite close to moon, and Rahu maybe also

aspecting Moon by 7th aspect. Saturn would be " out of reach " of the

nodes, which would make more sense for her skin problem clearing up

in Saturn Dasa.

The AD of her depression starting would be Rahu: representing Mars

Ld of 12th from ascendant. I'm a bit out of my depth, it all seems

ambiguous! Anyone else have any ideas?