Guest guest Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Dear Graham, In your chart Ketu will not act like mercury but it will act more like Guru. The logic is that Ketu is SD to Mercury and Rahu (Sign lord and Nakshatra lord) Rahu is in 9th house and Represents Guru. GURU FOR 9TH HOUSE HAS 6 BINDUS and MERCURY HAS 5 BINDUS FOR 3RD HOUSE. So Ketu will act like Guru and so will Rahu in your chart. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Dear Ash, Thanks for this clarification, which corresponds to recent discussion about what Rahu/Ketu represent, concluding that the important thing is to take the planet that has the most bindus and use that one for the Samdharmi, unless both planets have same bindhus. I still have a couple of questions! - Can Rahu/Ketu also represent their dispositors in navamsha? If so, does an evaluation by points of this dispositor enter into the decision (and would it be points in rashi or points calculated specially for navamsa?). Or would it simply be an additional alternative to the dispositor by nakshatra/sign in rashi? If Rahu/Ketu get limited to representing a single other house-ruling planet, doesn't that restrict too much their event-giving power, compared to other planets which have 4/10 rules, co-occupancy rules, natural samdharmi, etc? - So as not to excessively restrict their capacity to give events to an equivalence to a single other planet, can we say that what Rahu/Ketu " represent " is not quite the same as " samdharmi " for the planet which have points? So if, as in my chart, Ketu " represents " Jupiter, could it continue to represent Jupiter even when Jupiter is a SD to soemthing else? For example, Jupiter is in navamsa of Sun, so it can be SD to Sun. Ketu represents Jupiter. So can Ketu give results of Sun? I know you made it clear that " samdharmi of samdharmi " is not possible between the house-ruling planets, but is this case of the nodes different (R or K representing a planet which is itself a SD?) So my 2 questions are: 1)Can Rahu/Ketu represent their dispositors in navamsha? (From some events I've looked at, I would say yes, but I'd like your opinion). 2)Can Rahu/Ketu give an event by representing a planet which itself can only give the event in its capacity as a samdharmi? (I haven't formed an opinion on this one) Thanks Graham , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Graham, > > In your chart Ketu will not act like mercury but it will act more > like Guru. > > The logic is that > > Ketu is SD to Mercury and Rahu (Sign lord and Nakshatra lord) > > Rahu is in 9th house and Represents Guru. GURU FOR 9TH HOUSE HAS 6 > BINDUS and MERCURY HAS 5 BINDUS FOR 3RD HOUSE. > > So Ketu will act like Guru and so will Rahu in your chart. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Dear Graham, Just to answer you quickly. Rahu and Ketu are samdharmi to sign lord and nakshatra lord. Natural nature of Rahu is like Shani and that of Ketu is like mars. Say if Shani represents Guru and Mercury and if Guru has 5 bindus and Mercury has 3 bindus then for " Timing of events " it will act like the points Guru has in the worksheet. If both planets have similar poitns then you will have mixed results. If Rahu and Ketu are in nakshatra of a planet and rahu/ketu then find out who rahu and ketu are samdahrmi to and see their respective bindus in their respective locations. Basically in KAS you try to find out which planet does Rahu and Ketu act more like to see " Timing of Results " . In the worksheet we do not find points for Rahu and Ketu. Rahu and its aspect are used as per lesson of love marriage to study attraction between male and female. If I have said that Rahu and Ketu represents planets A or B I have meant its Samdharmi to. Samdharmi means similar duty. If a planet cannot give the results due to some reason then its samdharmi can step in or " represent " that planet. I think it will be clear now. Cheers !!! Ash --- Graham Fox <fox.graham wrote: > Dear Ash, > Thanks for this clarification, which corresponds to > recent > discussion about what Rahu/Ketu represent, > concluding that the > important thing is to take the planet that has the > most > bindus and use that one for the Samdharmi, unless > both planets have > same bindhus. I still have a couple of questions! > - Can Rahu/Ketu also represent their dispositors in > navamsha? > If so, does an evaluation by points of this > dispositor enter into > the decision (and would it be points in rashi or > points calculated > specially for navamsa?). Or would it simply be an > additional > alternative to the dispositor by nakshatra/sign in > rashi? > If Rahu/Ketu get limited to representing a single > other house-ruling > planet, doesn't that restrict too much their > event-giving power, > compared to other planets which have 4/10 rules, > co-occupancy rules, > natural samdharmi, etc? > - So as not to excessively restrict their capacity > to give events to > an equivalence to a single other planet, can we say > that what > Rahu/Ketu " represent " is not quite the same as > " samdharmi " for the > planet which have points? So if, as in my chart, > Ketu " represents " > Jupiter, could it continue to represent Jupiter even > when Jupiter is > a SD to soemthing else? For example, Jupiter is in > navamsa of Sun, > so it can be SD to Sun. Ketu represents Jupiter. So > can Ketu give > results of Sun? I know you made it clear that > " samdharmi of > samdharmi " is not possible between the house-ruling > planets, but is > this case of the nodes different (R or K > representing a planet which > is itself a SD?) > So my 2 questions are: > 1)Can Rahu/Ketu represent their dispositors in > navamsha? (From some > events I've looked at, I would say yes, but I'd like > your opinion). > 2)Can Rahu/Ketu give an event by representing a > planet which itself > can only give the event in its capacity as a > samdharmi? (I haven't > formed an opinion on this one) > Thanks > Graham > > , > " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Graham, > > > > In your chart Ketu will not act like mercury but > it will act more > > like Guru. > > > > The logic is that > > > > Ketu is SD to Mercury and Rahu (Sign lord and > Nakshatra lord) > > > > Rahu is in 9th house and Represents Guru. GURU > FOR 9TH HOUSE HAS > 6 > > BINDUS and MERCURY HAS 5 BINDUS FOR 3RD HOUSE. > > > > So Ketu will act like Guru and so will Rahu in > your chart. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 Thank you Ash, I was talking about the functional rather than the natural euqivalences of Rahu and Ketu. I understand now the rules about choosing who R/K represent by sign or nakstra dispositors by looking at points. So if I understand you correctly, the answer to my 2nd question is yes (Q: once you've found which planet or planets Rahu or Ketu represent, does it FULLY represent that planet(s), including when that planet is SD to another?) I think this is what you mean when you say: " If I have said that Rahu and Ketu represents planets A or B I have meant its Samdharmi too. " (I take it this means or includes: " R+K will fully represent their planet or planets, even when that planet is samdharmi to another " . Am I right? Could you also answer my other question: -Can Rahu/Ketu represent their dispositors in navamsha? Many thanks for your help and patience. Graham , Ash Sam <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Graham, > > Just to answer you quickly. > > Rahu and Ketu are samdharmi to sign lord and nakshatra > lord. Natural nature of Rahu is like Shani and that > of Ketu is like mars. > > Say if Shani represents Guru and Mercury and if Guru > has 5 bindus and Mercury has 3 bindus then for " Timing > of events " it will act like the points Guru has in the > worksheet. > > If both planets have similar poitns then you will have > mixed results. > > If Rahu and Ketu are in nakshatra of a planet and > rahu/ketu then find out who rahu and ketu are > samdahrmi to and see their respective bindus in their > respective locations. > > Basically in KAS you try to find out which planet does > Rahu and Ketu act more like to see " Timing of > Results " . In the worksheet we do not find points for > Rahu and Ketu. > > Rahu and its aspect are used as per lesson of love > marriage to study attraction between male and female. > > If I have said that Rahu and Ketu represents planets A > or B I have meant its Samdharmi to. Samdharmi means > similar duty. If a planet cannot give the results due > to some reason then its samdharmi can step in or > " represent " that planet. > > I think it will be clear now. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > --- Graham Fox <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thanks for this clarification, which corresponds to > > recent > > discussion about what Rahu/Ketu represent, > > concluding that the > > important thing is to take the planet that has the > > most > > bindus and use that one for the Samdharmi, unless > > both planets have > > same bindhus. I still have a couple of questions! > > - Can Rahu/Ketu also represent their dispositors in > > navamsha? > > If so, does an evaluation by points of this > > dispositor enter into > > the decision (and would it be points in rashi or > > points calculated > > specially for navamsa?). Or would it simply be an > > additional > > alternative to the dispositor by nakshatra/sign in > > rashi? > > If Rahu/Ketu get limited to representing a single > > other house-ruling > > planet, doesn't that restrict too much their > > event-giving power, > > compared to other planets which have 4/10 rules, > > co-occupancy rules, > > natural samdharmi, etc? > > - So as not to excessively restrict their capacity > > to give events to > > an equivalence to a single other planet, can we say > > that what > > Rahu/Ketu " represent " is not quite the same as > > " samdharmi " for the > > planet which have points? So if, as in my chart, > > Ketu " represents " > > Jupiter, could it continue to represent Jupiter even > > when Jupiter is > > a SD to soemthing else? For example, Jupiter is in > > navamsa of Sun, > > so it can be SD to Sun. Ketu represents Jupiter. So > > can Ketu give > > results of Sun? I know you made it clear that > > " samdharmi of > > samdharmi " is not possible between the house-ruling > > planets, but is > > this case of the nodes different (R or K > > representing a planet which > > is itself a SD?) > > So my 2 questions are: > > 1)Can Rahu/Ketu represent their dispositors in > > navamsha? (From some > > events I've looked at, I would say yes, but I'd like > > your opinion). > > 2)Can Rahu/Ketu give an event by representing a > > planet which itself > > can only give the event in its capacity as a > > samdharmi? (I haven't > > formed an opinion on this one) > > Thanks > > Graham > > > > , > > " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Graham, > > > > > > In your chart Ketu will not act like mercury but > > it will act more > > > like Guru. > > > > > > The logic is that > > > > > > Ketu is SD to Mercury and Rahu (Sign lord and > > Nakshatra lord) > > > > > > Rahu is in 9th house and Represents Guru. GURU > > FOR 9TH HOUSE HAS > > 6 > > > BINDUS and MERCURY HAS 5 BINDUS FOR 3RD HOUSE. > > > > > > So Ketu will act like Guru and so will Rahu in > > your chart. > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 Dear Ash and all, In the lessons and FAQs, I can't find the rule I mentioned about a planet being potentially SD to its dispositor in navamsa (but not vice versa), but I've noted this and I think I got it from a message somewhere. Is it right, or have I misunderstood? If it is right, does it also apply to the nodes? Also, Ash pointed out that in my chart, Venus is spoiled by being 45° from Sun. As per lessons, this prevents Saturn acting as it's natural SD. But it's not clear from lessons if this prevention is also effective for functional SDs: i.e. if for example Saturn (or another planet) is functional SD to Venus, will Venus being spoiled also stop that functional SD from working?. Any help welcome! Thanks Graham , " Graham Fox " <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > Thank you Ash, > I was talking about the functional rather than the natural > euqivalences of Rahu and Ketu. I understand now the rules about > choosing who R/K represent by sign or nakstra dispositors by looking > at points. > So if I understand you correctly, the answer to my 2nd question is > yes (Q: once you've found which planet or planets Rahu or Ketu > represent, does it FULLY represent that planet(s), including when > that planet is SD to another?) I think this is what you mean when > you say: > " If I have said that Rahu and Ketu represents planets A > or B I have meant its Samdharmi too. " (I take it this means or > includes: " R+K will fully represent their planet or planets, even > when that planet is samdharmi to another " . Am I right? > > Could you also answer my other question: > -Can Rahu/Ketu represent their dispositors in navamsha? > > Many thanks for your help and patience. > Graham > > > , Ash Sam > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Graham, > > > > Just to answer you quickly. > > > > Rahu and Ketu are samdharmi to sign lord and nakshatra > > lord. Natural nature of Rahu is like Shani and that > > of Ketu is like mars. > > > > Say if Shani represents Guru and Mercury and if Guru > > has 5 bindus and Mercury has 3 bindus then for " Timing > > of events " it will act like the points Guru has in the > > worksheet. > > > > If both planets have similar poitns then you will have > > mixed results. > > > > If Rahu and Ketu are in nakshatra of a planet and > > rahu/ketu then find out who rahu and ketu are > > samdahrmi to and see their respective bindus in their > > respective locations. > > > > Basically in KAS you try to find out which planet does > > Rahu and Ketu act more like to see " Timing of > > Results " . In the worksheet we do not find points for > > Rahu and Ketu. > > > > Rahu and its aspect are used as per lesson of love > > marriage to study attraction between male and female. > > > > If I have said that Rahu and Ketu represents planets A > > or B I have meant its Samdharmi to. Samdharmi means > > similar duty. If a planet cannot give the results due > > to some reason then its samdharmi can step in or > > " represent " that planet. > > > > I think it will be clear now. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > --- Graham Fox <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > Thanks for this clarification, which corresponds to > > > recent > > > discussion about what Rahu/Ketu represent, > > > concluding that the > > > important thing is to take the planet that has the > > > most > > > bindus and use that one for the Samdharmi, unless > > > both planets have > > > same bindhus. I still have a couple of questions! > > > - Can Rahu/Ketu also represent their dispositors in > > > navamsha? > > > If so, does an evaluation by points of this > > > dispositor enter into > > > the decision (and would it be points in rashi or > > > points calculated > > > specially for navamsa?). Or would it simply be an > > > additional > > > alternative to the dispositor by nakshatra/sign in > > > rashi? > > > If Rahu/Ketu get limited to representing a single > > > other house-ruling > > > planet, doesn't that restrict too much their > > > event-giving power, > > > compared to other planets which have 4/10 rules, > > > co-occupancy rules, > > > natural samdharmi, etc? > > > - So as not to excessively restrict their capacity > > > to give events to > > > an equivalence to a single other planet, can we say > > > that what > > > Rahu/Ketu " represent " is not quite the same as > > > " samdharmi " for the > > > planet which have points? So if, as in my chart, > > > Ketu " represents " > > > Jupiter, could it continue to represent Jupiter even > > > when Jupiter is > > > a SD to soemthing else? For example, Jupiter is in > > > navamsa of Sun, > > > so it can be SD to Sun. Ketu represents Jupiter. So > > > can Ketu give > > > results of Sun? I know you made it clear that > > > " samdharmi of > > > samdharmi " is not possible between the house-ruling > > > planets, but is > > > this case of the nodes different (R or K > > > representing a planet which > > > is itself a SD?) > > > So my 2 questions are: > > > 1)Can Rahu/Ketu represent their dispositors in > > > navamsha? (From some > > > events I've looked at, I would say yes, but I'd like > > > your opinion). > > > 2)Can Rahu/Ketu give an event by representing a > > > planet which itself > > > can only give the event in its capacity as a > > > samdharmi? (I haven't > > > formed an opinion on this one) > > > Thanks > > > Graham > > > > > > , > > > " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > Dear Graham, > > > > > > > > In your chart Ketu will not act like mercury but > > > it will act more > > > > like Guru. > > > > > > > > The logic is that > > > > > > > > Ketu is SD to Mercury and Rahu (Sign lord and > > > Nakshatra lord) > > > > > > > > Rahu is in 9th house and Represents Guru. GURU > > > FOR 9TH HOUSE HAS > > > 6 > > > > BINDUS and MERCURY HAS 5 BINDUS FOR 3RD HOUSE. > > > > > > > > So Ketu will act like Guru and so will Rahu in > > > your chart. > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Graham, Actually technically its in proportion. So in ratio. So if Rahu say rep Guru with 5 bindus and Merc with 3 bindus then proportion will be 62.5% like Guru and 37.5% like Mercury. So overall it will be " MORE " like Guru. I do not think Rahu becomes Samdharmi to navamsa depositer. I stand to be corrected on this point. I am not 100% sure. Krushnaji and Margarita, can you please let us know if Does Rahu and Ketu become SD to navamsa lord they are placed in. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " Graham Fox " <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > Thank you Ash, > I was talking about the functional rather than the natural > euqivalences of Rahu and Ketu. I understand now the rules about > choosing who R/K represent by sign or nakstra dispositors by looking > at points. > So if I understand you correctly, the answer to my 2nd question is > yes (Q: once you've found which planet or planets Rahu or Ketu > represent, does it FULLY represent that planet(s), including when > that planet is SD to another?) I think this is what you mean when > you say: > " If I have said that Rahu and Ketu represents planets A > or B I have meant its Samdharmi too. " (I take it this means or > includes: " R+K will fully represent their planet or planets, even > when that planet is samdharmi to another " . Am I right? > > Could you also answer my other question: > -Can Rahu/Ketu represent their dispositors in navamsha? > > Many thanks for your help and patience. > Graham > > > , Ash Sam > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Graham, > > > > Just to answer you quickly. > > > > Rahu and Ketu are samdharmi to sign lord and nakshatra > > lord. Natural nature of Rahu is like Shani and that > > of Ketu is like mars. > > > > Say if Shani represents Guru and Mercury and if Guru > > has 5 bindus and Mercury has 3 bindus then for " Timing > > of events " it will act like the points Guru has in the > > worksheet. > > > > If both planets have similar poitns then you will have > > mixed results. > > > > If Rahu and Ketu are in nakshatra of a planet and > > rahu/ketu then find out who rahu and ketu are > > samdahrmi to and see their respective bindus in their > > respective locations. > > > > Basically in KAS you try to find out which planet does > > Rahu and Ketu act more like to see " Timing of > > Results " . In the worksheet we do not find points for > > Rahu and Ketu. > > > > Rahu and its aspect are used as per lesson of love > > marriage to study attraction between male and female. > > > > If I have said that Rahu and Ketu represents planets A > > or B I have meant its Samdharmi to. Samdharmi means > > similar duty. If a planet cannot give the results due > > to some reason then its samdharmi can step in or > > " represent " that planet. > > > > I think it will be clear now. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > --- Graham Fox <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > Thanks for this clarification, which corresponds to > > > recent > > > discussion about what Rahu/Ketu represent, > > > concluding that the > > > important thing is to take the planet that has the > > > most > > > bindus and use that one for the Samdharmi, unless > > > both planets have > > > same bindhus. I still have a couple of questions! > > > - Can Rahu/Ketu also represent their dispositors in > > > navamsha? > > > If so, does an evaluation by points of this > > > dispositor enter into > > > the decision (and would it be points in rashi or > > > points calculated > > > specially for navamsa?). Or would it simply be an > > > additional > > > alternative to the dispositor by nakshatra/sign in > > > rashi? > > > If Rahu/Ketu get limited to representing a single > > > other house-ruling > > > planet, doesn't that restrict too much their > > > event-giving power, > > > compared to other planets which have 4/10 rules, > > > co-occupancy rules, > > > natural samdharmi, etc? > > > - So as not to excessively restrict their capacity > > > to give events to > > > an equivalence to a single other planet, can we say > > > that what > > > Rahu/Ketu " represent " is not quite the same as > > > " samdharmi " for the > > > planet which have points? So if, as in my chart, > > > Ketu " represents " > > > Jupiter, could it continue to represent Jupiter even > > > when Jupiter is > > > a SD to soemthing else? For example, Jupiter is in > > > navamsa of Sun, > > > so it can be SD to Sun. Ketu represents Jupiter. So > > > can Ketu give > > > results of Sun? I know you made it clear that > > > " samdharmi of > > > samdharmi " is not possible between the house-ruling > > > planets, but is > > > this case of the nodes different (R or K > > > representing a planet which > > > is itself a SD?) > > > So my 2 questions are: > > > 1)Can Rahu/Ketu represent their dispositors in > > > navamsha? (From some > > > events I've looked at, I would say yes, but I'd like > > > your opinion). > > > 2)Can Rahu/Ketu give an event by representing a > > > planet which itself > > > can only give the event in its capacity as a > > > samdharmi? (I haven't > > > formed an opinion on this one) > > > Thanks > > > Graham > > > > > > , > > > " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > Dear Graham, > > > > > > > > In your chart Ketu will not act like mercury but > > > it will act more > > > > like Guru. > > > > > > > > The logic is that > > > > > > > > Ketu is SD to Mercury and Rahu (Sign lord and > > > Nakshatra lord) > > > > > > > > Rahu is in 9th house and Represents Guru. GURU > > > FOR 9TH HOUSE HAS > > > 6 > > > > BINDUS and MERCURY HAS 5 BINDUS FOR 3RD HOUSE. > > > > > > > > So Ketu will act like Guru and so will Rahu in > > > your chart. > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 Dear Graham and Group, Try not to confuse such things. No where its given that Because Venus is spoilt Shani will not act like natural SD. But you DO have a point. You should be clear when it will NOT act like SD. So I shall explain herein. Natural Samdharmis will not act as Natural Samdharmis if in placed in Rasi charti in 1:7. 1:7 positions are in opposition so in such case they will not act as natural samdharmi. This is also applicable to Venus and Shani, Mars and Moon and Mars and Sun. This is for NATURAL SAMDHARMIS ONLY. I think now it will be clear. Cheers !!! Ash , " Graham Fox " <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > Dear Ash and all, > In the lessons and FAQs, I can't find the rule I mentioned about a > planet being potentially SD to its dispositor in navamsa (but not > vice versa), but I've noted this and I think I got it from a message > somewhere. Is it right, or have I misunderstood? If it is right, > does it also apply to the nodes? > Also, Ash pointed out that in my chart, Venus is spoiled by being > 45° from Sun. As per lessons, this prevents Saturn acting as it's > natural SD. But it's not clear from lessons if this prevention is > also effective for functional SDs: i.e. if for example Saturn (or > another planet) is functional SD to Venus, will Venus being spoiled > also stop that functional SD from working?. Any help welcome! > Thanks > Graham > , " Graham Fox " > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > Thank you Ash, > > I was talking about the functional rather than the natural > > euqivalences of Rahu and Ketu. I understand now the rules about > > choosing who R/K represent by sign or nakstra dispositors by > looking > > at points. > > So if I understand you correctly, the answer to my 2nd question is > > yes (Q: once you've found which planet or planets Rahu or Ketu > > represent, does it FULLY represent that planet(s), including when > > that planet is SD to another?) I think this is what you mean when > > you say: > > " If I have said that Rahu and Ketu represents planets A > > or B I have meant its Samdharmi too. " (I take it this means or > > includes: " R+K will fully represent their planet or planets, even > > when that planet is samdharmi to another " . Am I right? > > > > Could you also answer my other question: > > -Can Rahu/Ketu represent their dispositors in navamsha? > > > > Many thanks for your help and patience. > > Graham > > > > > > , Ash Sam > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Graham, > > > > > > Just to answer you quickly. > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are samdharmi to sign lord and nakshatra > > > lord. Natural nature of Rahu is like Shani and that > > > of Ketu is like mars. > > > > > > Say if Shani represents Guru and Mercury and if Guru > > > has 5 bindus and Mercury has 3 bindus then for " Timing > > > of events " it will act like the points Guru has in the > > > worksheet. > > > > > > If both planets have similar poitns then you will have > > > mixed results. > > > > > > If Rahu and Ketu are in nakshatra of a planet and > > > rahu/ketu then find out who rahu and ketu are > > > samdahrmi to and see their respective bindus in their > > > respective locations. > > > > > > Basically in KAS you try to find out which planet does > > > Rahu and Ketu act more like to see " Timing of > > > Results " . In the worksheet we do not find points for > > > Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > Rahu and its aspect are used as per lesson of love > > > marriage to study attraction between male and female. > > > > > > If I have said that Rahu and Ketu represents planets A > > > or B I have meant its Samdharmi to. Samdharmi means > > > similar duty. If a planet cannot give the results due > > > to some reason then its samdharmi can step in or > > > " represent " that planet. > > > > > > I think it will be clear now. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > --- Graham Fox <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thanks for this clarification, which corresponds to > > > > recent > > > > discussion about what Rahu/Ketu represent, > > > > concluding that the > > > > important thing is to take the planet that has the > > > > most > > > > bindus and use that one for the Samdharmi, unless > > > > both planets have > > > > same bindhus. I still have a couple of questions! > > > > - Can Rahu/Ketu also represent their dispositors in > > > > navamsha? > > > > If so, does an evaluation by points of this > > > > dispositor enter into > > > > the decision (and would it be points in rashi or > > > > points calculated > > > > specially for navamsa?). Or would it simply be an > > > > additional > > > > alternative to the dispositor by nakshatra/sign in > > > > rashi? > > > > If Rahu/Ketu get limited to representing a single > > > > other house-ruling > > > > planet, doesn't that restrict too much their > > > > event-giving power, > > > > compared to other planets which have 4/10 rules, > > > > co-occupancy rules, > > > > natural samdharmi, etc? > > > > - So as not to excessively restrict their capacity > > > > to give events to > > > > an equivalence to a single other planet, can we say > > > > that what > > > > Rahu/Ketu " represent " is not quite the same as > > > > " samdharmi " for the > > > > planet which have points? So if, as in my chart, > > > > Ketu " represents " > > > > Jupiter, could it continue to represent Jupiter even > > > > when Jupiter is > > > > a SD to soemthing else? For example, Jupiter is in > > > > navamsa of Sun, > > > > so it can be SD to Sun. Ketu represents Jupiter. So > > > > can Ketu give > > > > results of Sun? I know you made it clear that > > > > " samdharmi of > > > > samdharmi " is not possible between the house-ruling > > > > planets, but is > > > > this case of the nodes different (R or K > > > > representing a planet which > > > > is itself a SD?) > > > > So my 2 questions are: > > > > 1)Can Rahu/Ketu represent their dispositors in > > > > navamsha? (From some > > > > events I've looked at, I would say yes, but I'd like > > > > your opinion). > > > > 2)Can Rahu/Ketu give an event by representing a > > > > planet which itself > > > > can only give the event in its capacity as a > > > > samdharmi? (I haven't > > > > formed an opinion on this one) > > > > Thanks > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > , > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > Dear Graham, > > > > > > > > > > In your chart Ketu will not act like mercury but > > > > it will act more > > > > > like Guru. > > > > > > > > > > The logic is that > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is SD to Mercury and Rahu (Sign lord and > > > > Nakshatra lord) > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is in 9th house and Represents Guru. GURU > > > > FOR 9TH HOUSE HAS > > > > 6 > > > > > BINDUS and MERCURY HAS 5 BINDUS FOR 3RD HOUSE. > > > > > > > > > > So Ketu will act like Guru and so will Rahu in > > > > your chart. > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 Dear Ash, About Saturn not being SD to a Venus 45° from Sun, I took it from lesson 25: " Similarly, when Venus is in the nakshatra of the Krittika constellation, or 43 degrees away from the Sun, or nearer to the Sun within 3 degrees (combust), it will not accept help from Saturn, allowing it to act as Samdharmi for it. Venus in the above conditions gives a malefic result. When Venus is in the Sun's constellation it also gets its power reduced. In Krittika, it looses all of its natural properties. " Graham , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Graham and Group, > > Try not to confuse such things. No where its given that Because > Venus is spoilt Shani will not act like natural SD. > > But you DO have a point. You should be clear when it will NOT act > like SD. So I shall explain herein. > > Natural Samdharmis will not act as Natural Samdharmis if in placed in > Rasi charti in 1:7. > > 1:7 positions are in opposition so in such case they will not act as > natural samdharmi. > > This is also applicable to Venus and Shani, Mars and Moon and Mars > and Sun. > > This is for NATURAL SAMDHARMIS ONLY. > > I think now it will be clear. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " Graham Fox " > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > Dear Ash and all, > > In the lessons and FAQs, I can't find the rule I mentioned about a > > planet being potentially SD to its dispositor in navamsa (but not > > vice versa), but I've noted this and I think I got it from a > message > > somewhere. Is it right, or have I misunderstood? If it is right, > > does it also apply to the nodes? > > Also, Ash pointed out that in my chart, Venus is spoiled by being > > 45° from Sun. As per lessons, this prevents Saturn acting as it's > > natural SD. But it's not clear from lessons if this prevention is > > also effective for functional SDs: i.e. if for example Saturn (or > > another planet) is functional SD to Venus, will Venus being spoiled > > also stop that functional SD from working?. Any help welcome! > > Thanks > > Graham > > , " Graham Fox " > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > Thank you Ash, > > > I was talking about the functional rather than the natural > > > euqivalences of Rahu and Ketu. I understand now the rules about > > > choosing who R/K represent by sign or nakstra dispositors by > > looking > > > at points. > > > So if I understand you correctly, the answer to my 2nd question > is > > > yes (Q: once you've found which planet or planets Rahu or Ketu > > > represent, does it FULLY represent that planet(s), including when > > > that planet is SD to another?) I think this is what you mean when > > > you say: > > > " If I have said that Rahu and Ketu represents planets A > > > or B I have meant its Samdharmi too. " (I take it this means or > > > includes: " R+K will fully represent their planet or planets, even > > > when that planet is samdharmi to another " . Am I right? > > > > > > Could you also answer my other question: > > > -Can Rahu/Ketu represent their dispositors in navamsha? > > > > > > Many thanks for your help and patience. > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > , Ash Sam > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > Dear Graham, > > > > > > > > Just to answer you quickly. > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are samdharmi to sign lord and nakshatra > > > > lord. Natural nature of Rahu is like Shani and that > > > > of Ketu is like mars. > > > > > > > > Say if Shani represents Guru and Mercury and if Guru > > > > has 5 bindus and Mercury has 3 bindus then for " Timing > > > > of events " it will act like the points Guru has in the > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > > If both planets have similar poitns then you will have > > > > mixed results. > > > > > > > > If Rahu and Ketu are in nakshatra of a planet and > > > > rahu/ketu then find out who rahu and ketu are > > > > samdahrmi to and see their respective bindus in their > > > > respective locations. > > > > > > > > Basically in KAS you try to find out which planet does > > > > Rahu and Ketu act more like to see " Timing of > > > > Results " . In the worksheet we do not find points for > > > > Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > Rahu and its aspect are used as per lesson of love > > > > marriage to study attraction between male and female. > > > > > > > > If I have said that Rahu and Ketu represents planets A > > > > or B I have meant its Samdharmi to. Samdharmi means > > > > similar duty. If a planet cannot give the results due > > > > to some reason then its samdharmi can step in or > > > > " represent " that planet. > > > > > > > > I think it will be clear now. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > --- Graham Fox <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > Thanks for this clarification, which corresponds to > > > > > recent > > > > > discussion about what Rahu/Ketu represent, > > > > > concluding that the > > > > > important thing is to take the planet that has the > > > > > most > > > > > bindus and use that one for the Samdharmi, unless > > > > > both planets have > > > > > same bindhus. I still have a couple of questions! > > > > > - Can Rahu/Ketu also represent their dispositors in > > > > > navamsha? > > > > > If so, does an evaluation by points of this > > > > > dispositor enter into > > > > > the decision (and would it be points in rashi or > > > > > points calculated > > > > > specially for navamsa?). Or would it simply be an > > > > > additional > > > > > alternative to the dispositor by nakshatra/sign in > > > > > rashi? > > > > > If Rahu/Ketu get limited to representing a single > > > > > other house-ruling > > > > > planet, doesn't that restrict too much their > > > > > event-giving power, > > > > > compared to other planets which have 4/10 rules, > > > > > co-occupancy rules, > > > > > natural samdharmi, etc? > > > > > - So as not to excessively restrict their capacity > > > > > to give events to > > > > > an equivalence to a single other planet, can we say > > > > > that what > > > > > Rahu/Ketu " represent " is not quite the same as > > > > > " samdharmi " for the > > > > > planet which have points? So if, as in my chart, > > > > > Ketu " represents " > > > > > Jupiter, could it continue to represent Jupiter even > > > > > when Jupiter is > > > > > a SD to soemthing else? For example, Jupiter is in > > > > > navamsa of Sun, > > > > > so it can be SD to Sun. Ketu represents Jupiter. So > > > > > can Ketu give > > > > > results of Sun? I know you made it clear that > > > > > " samdharmi of > > > > > samdharmi " is not possible between the house-ruling > > > > > planets, but is > > > > > this case of the nodes different (R or K > > > > > representing a planet which > > > > > is itself a SD?) > > > > > So my 2 questions are: > > > > > 1)Can Rahu/Ketu represent their dispositors in > > > > > navamsha? (From some > > > > > events I've looked at, I would say yes, but I'd like > > > > > your opinion). > > > > > 2)Can Rahu/Ketu give an event by representing a > > > > > planet which itself > > > > > can only give the event in its capacity as a > > > > > samdharmi? (I haven't > > > > > formed an opinion on this one) > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Graham, > > > > > > > > > > > > In your chart Ketu will not act like mercury but > > > > > it will act more > > > > > > like Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > The logic is that > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is SD to Mercury and Rahu (Sign lord and > > > > > Nakshatra lord) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is in 9th house and Represents Guru. GURU > > > > > FOR 9TH HOUSE HAS > > > > > 6 > > > > > > BINDUS and MERCURY HAS 5 BINDUS FOR 3RD HOUSE. > > > > > > > > > > > > So Ketu will act like Guru and so will Rahu in > > > > > your chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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