Guest guest Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 Dear Ash, Thanks for making it clear that these rules only apply to natural samdharmi relationships -- I presume that it's the same for the " spoiled " Venus rule, as it's mentioned only in the natural samdharmi section of lesson 25. So unless Krushna specifies to the contrary, I'll assume that the 1:7 rule and the spoiled Venus rule DON'T apply when a functional samdharmi relationship is present. Thanks Graham , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Graham, > > I appologise. I re-read the lesson and Yes you are right. > > But I do know for sure that 1:7 position for natural samdharmi > planets means they will not help each other. The loose their natural > samdharmiship if u will. Which was given in 1st part. > > Now this 2nd point is going by quality of Venus. This I would need > clarificaion from Krushnaji. > > Krushnaji can you please clarify this please about Status of Venus > and its relation to being Natural Samdharmi to Shani. > > > Graham, thanks you for bring this finer points out > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Graham Fox " > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > About Saturn not being SD to a Venus 45° from Sun, I took it from > > lesson 25: > > " Similarly, when Venus is in the nakshatra of the Krittika > > constellation, or 43 degrees away from the Sun, or nearer to the > Sun > > within 3 degrees (combust), it will not accept help from Saturn, > > allowing it to act as Samdharmi for it. Venus in the above > > conditions gives a malefic result. When Venus is in the Sun's > > constellation it also gets its power reduced. In Krittika, it > looses > > all of its natural properties. " > > Graham > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Graham and Group, > > > > > > Try not to confuse such things. No where its given that Because > > > Venus is spoilt Shani will not act like natural SD. > > > > > > But you DO have a point. You should be clear when it will NOT > act > > > like SD. So I shall explain herein. > > > > > > Natural Samdharmis will not act as Natural Samdharmis if in > placed > > in > > > Rasi charti in 1:7. > > > > > > 1:7 positions are in opposition so in such case they will not act > > as > > > natural samdharmi. > > > > > > This is also applicable to Venus and Shani, Mars and Moon and > Mars > > > and Sun. > > > > > > This is for NATURAL SAMDHARMIS ONLY. > > > > > > I think now it will be clear. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > , " Graham Fox " > > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash and all, > > > > In the lessons and FAQs, I can't find the rule I mentioned > about > > a > > > > planet being potentially SD to its dispositor in navamsa (but > > not > > > > vice versa), but I've noted this and I think I got it from a > > > message > > > > somewhere. Is it right, or have I misunderstood? If it is > right, > > > > does it also apply to the nodes? > > > > Also, Ash pointed out that in my chart, Venus is spoiled by > > being > > > > 45° from Sun. As per lessons, this prevents Saturn acting as > > it's > > > > natural SD. But it's not clear from lessons if this prevention > > is > > > > also effective for functional SDs: i.e. if for example Saturn > > (or > > > > another planet) is functional SD to Venus, will Venus being > > spoiled > > > > also stop that functional SD from working?. Any help welcome! > > > > Thanks > > > > Graham > > > > , " Graham Fox " > > > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > > > Thank you Ash, > > > > > I was talking about the functional rather than the natural > > > > > euqivalences of Rahu and Ketu. I understand now the rules > > about > > > > > choosing who R/K represent by sign or nakstra dispositors by > > > > looking > > > > > at points. > > > > > So if I understand you correctly, the answer to my 2nd > > question > > > is > > > > > yes (Q: once you've found which planet or planets Rahu or > Ketu > > > > > represent, does it FULLY represent that planet(s), including > > when > > > > > that planet is SD to another?) I think this is what you mean > > when > > > > > you say: > > > > > " If I have said that Rahu and Ketu represents planets A > > > > > or B I have meant its Samdharmi too. " (I take it this means > or > > > > > includes: " R+K will fully represent their planet or planets, > > even > > > > > when that planet is samdharmi to another " . Am I right? > > > > > > > > > > Could you also answer my other question: > > > > > -Can Rahu/Ketu represent their dispositors in navamsha? > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for your help and patience. > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ash Sam > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Graham, > > > > > > > > > > > > Just to answer you quickly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are samdharmi to sign lord and nakshatra > > > > > > lord. Natural nature of Rahu is like Shani and that > > > > > > of Ketu is like mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > Say if Shani represents Guru and Mercury and if Guru > > > > > > has 5 bindus and Mercury has 3 bindus then for " Timing > > > > > > of events " it will act like the points Guru has in the > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > If both planets have similar poitns then you will have > > > > > > mixed results. > > > > > > > > > > > > If Rahu and Ketu are in nakshatra of a planet and > > > > > > rahu/ketu then find out who rahu and ketu are > > > > > > samdahrmi to and see their respective bindus in their > > > > > > respective locations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Basically in KAS you try to find out which planet does > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu act more like to see " Timing of > > > > > > Results " . In the worksheet we do not find points for > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and its aspect are used as per lesson of love > > > > > > marriage to study attraction between male and female. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I have said that Rahu and Ketu represents planets A > > > > > > or B I have meant its Samdharmi to. Samdharmi means > > > > > > similar duty. If a planet cannot give the results due > > > > > > to some reason then its samdharmi can step in or > > > > > > " represent " that planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it will be clear now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Graham Fox <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > Thanks for this clarification, which corresponds to > > > > > > > recent > > > > > > > discussion about what Rahu/Ketu represent, > > > > > > > concluding that the > > > > > > > important thing is to take the planet that has the > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > bindus and use that one for the Samdharmi, unless > > > > > > > both planets have > > > > > > > same bindhus. I still have a couple of questions! > > > > > > > - Can Rahu/Ketu also represent their dispositors in > > > > > > > navamsha? > > > > > > > If so, does an evaluation by points of this > > > > > > > dispositor enter into > > > > > > > the decision (and would it be points in rashi or > > > > > > > points calculated > > > > > > > specially for navamsa?). Or would it simply be an > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > alternative to the dispositor by nakshatra/sign in > > > > > > > rashi? > > > > > > > If Rahu/Ketu get limited to representing a single > > > > > > > other house-ruling > > > > > > > planet, doesn't that restrict too much their > > > > > > > event-giving power, > > > > > > > compared to other planets which have 4/10 rules, > > > > > > > co-occupancy rules, > > > > > > > natural samdharmi, etc? > > > > > > > - So as not to excessively restrict their capacity > > > > > > > to give events to > > > > > > > an equivalence to a single other planet, can we say > > > > > > > that what > > > > > > > Rahu/Ketu " represent " is not quite the same as > > > > > > > " samdharmi " for the > > > > > > > planet which have points? So if, as in my chart, > > > > > > > Ketu " represents " > > > > > > > Jupiter, could it continue to represent Jupiter even > > > > > > > when Jupiter is > > > > > > > a SD to soemthing else? For example, Jupiter is in > > > > > > > navamsa of Sun, > > > > > > > so it can be SD to Sun. Ketu represents Jupiter. So > > > > > > > can Ketu give > > > > > > > results of Sun? I know you made it clear that > > > > > > > " samdharmi of > > > > > > > samdharmi " is not possible between the house-ruling > > > > > > > planets, but is > > > > > > > this case of the nodes different (R or K > > > > > > > representing a planet which > > > > > > > is itself a SD?) > > > > > > > So my 2 questions are: > > > > > > > 1)Can Rahu/Ketu represent their dispositors in > > > > > > > navamsha? (From some > > > > > > > events I've looked at, I would say yes, but I'd like > > > > > > > your opinion). > > > > > > > 2)Can Rahu/Ketu give an event by representing a > > > > > > > planet which itself > > > > > > > can only give the event in its capacity as a > > > > > > > samdharmi? (I haven't > > > > > > > formed an opinion on this one) > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Graham, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your chart Ketu will not act like mercury but > > > > > > > it will act more > > > > > > > > like Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The logic is that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is SD to Mercury and Rahu (Sign lord and > > > > > > > Nakshatra lord) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is in 9th house and Represents Guru. GURU > > > > > > > FOR 9TH HOUSE HAS > > > > > > > 6 > > > > > > > > BINDUS and MERCURY HAS 5 BINDUS FOR 3RD HOUSE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Ketu will act like Guru and so will Rahu in > > > > > > > your chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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