cancellation of samdharmi - Some more points listed

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Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Graham,

 

Graham, you brought out some very good points. I would need to think

more about this and would like to clear this concept that you have

raised both about Natural Samdarmi and Functional samdharmi.

I need to think more on this.

 

I also do not have the following answers and some of these additional

questions come up in this discussion expanding the NSD based on

Quality of a planet as a criteria for being Natural Samdharmi.

 

I am listing the questions that hopefully Krushnaji will clarify when

he gets some time.

 

1) This also raises some additional questions in my mind with respect

to say Moon and Mars. What is moon is very close to Rahu... and its

spoilt .. does it continue to remain natural samdahrmi to Mars ?

 

2) Does Sun get afflicted by Ketu. If so what if Ketu is very close

to sun in degrees and afflicts it.. does this sun continue to remain

SD to Mars ?

 

3) Are Rahu and Ketu samdharmi to the lord of Navamsa they are placed

in ?

 

4) Similar thinking based on Functional samdharmi. If Venus and

Saturn are in 1 sign and if this Venus is spoilt due to say being < 3

degrees from Sun or more than 43 degrees away from Sun then in such a

case can such a spoilt venus depute its functional samdharmi. Or can

any planet even be Samdharmi to such a spoilt planet or come forward

if such a venus is unable to give results ?

 

Thanks Graham for this good discussion,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, " Graham Fox "

<fox.graham@w...> wrote:

> Dear Ash,

> Thanks for making it clear that these rules only apply to natural

> samdharmi relationships -- I presume that it's the same for

> the " spoiled " Venus rule, as it's mentioned only in the natural

> samdharmi section of lesson 25. So unless Krushna specifies to the

> contrary, I'll assume that the 1:7 rule and the spoiled Venus rule

> DON'T apply when a functional samdharmi relationship is present.

> Thanks

> Graham

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73> wrote:

> > Dear Graham,

> >

> > I appologise. I re-read the lesson and Yes you are right.

> >

> > But I do know for sure that 1:7 position for natural samdharmi

> > planets means they will not help each other. The loose their

> natural

> > samdharmiship if u will. Which was given in 1st part.

> >

> > Now this 2nd point is going by quality of Venus. This I would

> need

> > clarificaion from Krushnaji.

> >

> > Krushnaji can you please clarify this please about Status of

Venus

> > and its relation to being Natural Samdharmi to Shani.

> >

> >

> > Graham, thanks you for bring this finer points out

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " Graham Fox "

> > <fox.graham@w...> wrote:

> > > Dear Ash,

> > > About Saturn not being SD to a Venus 45° from Sun, I took it

> from

> > > lesson 25:

> > > " Similarly, when Venus is in the nakshatra of the Krittika

> > > constellation, or 43 degrees away from the Sun, or nearer to

the

> > Sun

> > > within 3 degrees (combust), it will not accept help from

Saturn,

> > > allowing it to act as Samdharmi for it. Venus in the above

> > > conditions gives a malefic result. When Venus is in the Sun's

> > > constellation it also gets its power reduced. In Krittika, it

> > looses

> > > all of its natural properties. "

> > > Graham

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > <ashsam73> wrote:

> > > > Dear Graham and Group,

> > > >

> > > > Try not to confuse such things. No where its given that

> Because

> > > > Venus is spoilt Shani will not act like natural SD.

> > > >

> > > > But you DO have a point. You should be clear when it will

NOT

> > act

> > > > like SD. So I shall explain herein.

> > > >

> > > > Natural Samdharmis will not act as Natural Samdharmis if in

> > placed

> > > in

> > > > Rasi charti in 1:7.

> > > >

> > > > 1:7 positions are in opposition so in such case they will not

> act

> > > as

> > > > natural samdharmi.

> > > >

> > > > This is also applicable to Venus and Shani, Mars and Moon and

> > Mars

> > > > and Sun.

> > > >

> > > > This is for NATURAL SAMDHARMIS ONLY.

> > > >

> > > > I think now it will be clear.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Graham Fox "

> > > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Ash and all,

> > > > > In the lessons and FAQs, I can't find the rule I mentioned

> > about

> > > a

> > > > > planet being potentially SD to its dispositor in navamsa

> (but

> > > not

> > > > > vice versa), but I've noted this and I think I got it from

a

> > > > message

> > > > > somewhere. Is it right, or have I misunderstood? If it is

> > right,

> > > > > does it also apply to the nodes?

> > > > > Also, Ash pointed out that in my chart, Venus is spoiled by

> > > being

> > > > > 45° from Sun. As per lessons, this prevents Saturn acting

as

> > > it's

> > > > > natural SD. But it's not clear from lessons if this

> prevention

> > > is

> > > > > also effective for functional SDs: i.e. if for example

> Saturn

> > > (or

> > > > > another planet) is functional SD to Venus, will Venus being

> > > spoiled

> > > > > also stop that functional SD from working?. Any help

welcome!

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Graham

> > > > > , " Graham

> Fox "

> > > > > <fox.graham@w...> wrote:

> > > > > > Thank you Ash,

> > > > > > I was talking about the functional rather than the

natural

> > > > > > euqivalences of Rahu and Ketu. I understand now the rules

> > > about

> > > > > > choosing who R/K represent by sign or nakstra dispositors

> by

> > > > > looking

> > > > > > at points.

> > > > > > So if I understand you correctly, the answer to my 2nd

> > > question

> > > > is

> > > > > > yes (Q: once you've found which planet or planets Rahu or

> > Ketu

> > > > > > represent, does it FULLY represent that planet(s),

> including

> > > when

> > > > > > that planet is SD to another?) I think this is what you

> mean

> > > when

> > > > > > you say:

> > > > > > " If I have said that Rahu and Ketu represents planets A

> > > > > > or B I have meant its Samdharmi too. " (I take it this

> means

> > or

> > > > > > includes: " R+K will fully represent their planet or

> planets,

> > > even

> > > > > > when that planet is samdharmi to another " . Am I right?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Could you also answer my other question:

> > > > > > -Can Rahu/Ketu represent their dispositors in navamsha?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many thanks for your help and patience.

> > > > > > Graham

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Ash Sam

> > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Graham,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Just to answer you quickly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are samdharmi to sign lord and nakshatra

> > > > > > > lord. Natural nature of Rahu is like Shani and that

> > > > > > > of Ketu is like mars.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Say if Shani represents Guru and Mercury and if Guru

> > > > > > > has 5 bindus and Mercury has 3 bindus then for " Timing

> > > > > > > of events " it will act like the points Guru has in the

> > > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If both planets have similar poitns then you will have

> > > > > > > mixed results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If Rahu and Ketu are in nakshatra of a planet and

> > > > > > > rahu/ketu then find out who rahu and ketu are

> > > > > > > samdahrmi to and see their respective bindus in their

> > > > > > > respective locations.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Basically in KAS you try to find out which planet does

> > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu act more like to see " Timing of

> > > > > > > Results " . In the worksheet we do not find points for

> > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rahu and its aspect are used as per lesson of love

> > > > > > > marriage to study attraction between male and female.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If I have said that Rahu and Ketu represents planets A

> > > > > > > or B I have meant its Samdharmi to. Samdharmi means

> > > > > > > similar duty. If a planet cannot give the results due

> > > > > > > to some reason then its samdharmi can step in or

> > > > > > > " represent " that planet.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think it will be clear now.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- Graham Fox <fox.graham@w...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > > > Thanks for this clarification, which corresponds to

> > > > > > > > recent

> > > > > > > > discussion about what Rahu/Ketu represent,

> > > > > > > > concluding that the

> > > > > > > > important thing is to take the planet that has the

> > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > bindus and use that one for the Samdharmi, unless

> > > > > > > > both planets have

> > > > > > > > same bindhus. I still have a couple of questions!

> > > > > > > > - Can Rahu/Ketu also represent their dispositors in

> > > > > > > > navamsha?

> > > > > > > > If so, does an evaluation by points of this

> > > > > > > > dispositor enter into

> > > > > > > > the decision (and would it be points in rashi or

> > > > > > > > points calculated

> > > > > > > > specially for navamsa?). Or would it simply be an

> > > > > > > > additional

> > > > > > > > alternative to the dispositor by nakshatra/sign in

> > > > > > > > rashi?

> > > > > > > > If Rahu/Ketu get limited to representing a single

> > > > > > > > other house-ruling

> > > > > > > > planet, doesn't that restrict too much their

> > > > > > > > event-giving power,

> > > > > > > > compared to other planets which have 4/10 rules,

> > > > > > > > co-occupancy rules,

> > > > > > > > natural samdharmi, etc?

> > > > > > > > - So as not to excessively restrict their capacity

> > > > > > > > to give events to

> > > > > > > > an equivalence to a single other planet, can we say

> > > > > > > > that what

> > > > > > > > Rahu/Ketu " represent " is not quite the same as

> > > > > > > > " samdharmi " for the

> > > > > > > > planet which have points? So if, as in my chart,

> > > > > > > > Ketu " represents "

> > > > > > > > Jupiter, could it continue to represent Jupiter even

> > > > > > > > when Jupiter is

> > > > > > > > a SD to soemthing else? For example, Jupiter is in

> > > > > > > > navamsa of Sun,

> > > > > > > > so it can be SD to Sun. Ketu represents Jupiter. So

> > > > > > > > can Ketu give

> > > > > > > > results of Sun? I know you made it clear that

> > > > > > > > " samdharmi of

> > > > > > > > samdharmi " is not possible between the house-ruling

> > > > > > > > planets, but is

> > > > > > > > this case of the nodes different (R or K

> > > > > > > > representing a planet which

> > > > > > > > is itself a SD?)

> > > > > > > > So my 2 questions are:

> > > > > > > > 1)Can Rahu/Ketu represent their dispositors in

> > > > > > > > navamsha? (From some

> > > > > > > > events I've looked at, I would say yes, but I'd like

> > > > > > > > your opinion).

> > > > > > > > 2)Can Rahu/Ketu give an event by representing a

> > > > > > > > planet which itself

> > > > > > > > can only give the event in its capacity as a

> > > > > > > > samdharmi? (I haven't

> > > > > > > > formed an opinion on this one)

> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > Graham

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > <ashsam73> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Graham,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In your chart Ketu will not act like mercury but

> > > > > > > > it will act more

> > > > > > > > > like Guru.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The logic is that

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ketu is SD to Mercury and Rahu (Sign lord and

> > > > > > > > Nakshatra lord)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rahu is in 9th house and Represents Guru. GURU

> > > > > > > > FOR 9TH HOUSE HAS

> > > > > > > > 6

> > > > > > > > > BINDUS and MERCURY HAS 5 BINDUS FOR 3RD HOUSE.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So Ketu will act like Guru and so will Rahu in

> > > > > > > > your chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanking you,

> > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >