Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Dear Krushnaji, Ash, I took up a chart from to practice. I am confused about something and request your input. This chart was of Michelle in old post. June 10, 1960 4:35 am (england) 2W15, 53N30 GMT Lagna I get is 23 Ta 17 Marraige date was March 1 1980. Here Mars is LoE and highest significator in worsheet aspects B for marriage so could not give the result. The samdharmi planets Sun, Ve also cannot give since both aspect B and Venus has 11pts in WS. Saturn is samdharmi to mars since in Scorpoi navamsa, has 17pts so he came forward. But Saturn also aspects A. So why did he give it? If I had to choose I would have thought Sun/Sa. I see the delay that Saturn gave in the sub period ie. last1/3 sector. But why did it come as an early marraige, would saturn not cause delay? Saturn periods: Ve/Sa - 4/1977-6/1980 (17-20yrs) Sun/Sa - 4/1987-4/1988 (27yrs) Mo/Sa - 9/1994-4/1996 (34yrs+) Regards, Puneet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Dear Puneet, I have taken DST as 1hr and got the same ascendant as yours. The marriage happened in ve/sa. A few points, ma CAN give the result even if it aspects B. LoE and LoD are always eager to give results even if they aspect A, B or C and ma is LoE. Similarly, sun can also give results since it is LoD. Saturn gave the result since it is samdharmi to Mars. When a planet gives results due to samdharmiship, we do not consider its aspects to A, B, or C. Sa gave the results for Mars since, Mars and Mer antras were later. If Mars antra was sooner than Sa, it would have given the results. Now, why the 3rd sector. There are no zeros in the chart so delay cannot be because of them. I think because the karyesh, sa himself is placed in Sa sign. The karyesh in delay causing planet like Sa causes delay to 3rd sector. Krushnaji and Ash may be able to provide more help. Thanks & Regards, Manu , " pjoshi1975 " <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > I took up a chart from to practice. I am confused about something and > request your input. This chart was of Michelle in old post. > June 10, 1960 > 4:35 am > (england) 2W15, 53N30 GMT > Lagna I get is 23 Ta 17 > > Marraige date was March 1 1980. > > Here Mars is LoE and highest significator in worsheet aspects B for > marriage so could not give the result. The samdharmi planets Sun, Ve > also cannot give since both aspect B and Venus has 11pts in WS. > Saturn is samdharmi to mars since in Scorpoi navamsa, has 17pts so he > came forward. But Saturn also aspects A. So why did he give it? > > If I had to choose I would have thought Sun/Sa. I see the delay that > Saturn gave in the sub period ie. last1/3 sector. But why did it > come as an early marraige, would saturn not cause delay? > > Saturn periods: > Ve/Sa - 4/1977-6/1980 (17-20yrs) > Sun/Sa - 4/1987-4/1988 (27yrs) > Mo/Sa - 9/1994-4/1996 (34yrs+) > > Regards, > Puneet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Dear Manu and Puneet, Manu has given a very nice answer. There is no delay. So earliest marriage might be done when person may be 20-21. So marriage might have happened at 20. Cheers !!! Ash , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: > Dear Puneet, > > I have taken DST as 1hr and got the same ascendant as yours. > > The marriage happened in ve/sa. > > A few points, > > ma CAN give the result even if it aspects B. LoE and LoD are always > eager to give results even if they > aspect A, B or C and ma is LoE. > > Similarly, sun can also give results since it is LoD. > > Saturn gave the result since it is samdharmi to Mars. When a planet > gives results due to samdharmiship, > we do not consider its aspects to A, B, or C. > > Sa gave the results for Mars since, Mars and Mer antras were later. > If Mars antra was sooner than Sa, it would > have given the results. > > Now, why the 3rd sector. There are no zeros in the chart so delay > cannot be because of them. > I think because the karyesh, sa himself is placed in Sa sign. The > karyesh in delay causing planet like Sa > causes delay to 3rd sector. > > Krushnaji and Ash may be able to provide more help. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > , " pjoshi1975 " > <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > I took up a chart from to practice. I am confused about something > and > > request your input. This chart was of Michelle in old post. > > June 10, 1960 > > 4:35 am > > (england) 2W15, 53N30 GMT > > Lagna I get is 23 Ta 17 > > > > Marraige date was March 1 1980. > > > > Here Mars is LoE and highest significator in worsheet aspects B for > > marriage so could not give the result. The samdharmi planets Sun, > Ve > > also cannot give since both aspect B and Venus has 11pts in WS. > > Saturn is samdharmi to mars since in Scorpoi navamsa, has 17pts so > he > > came forward. But Saturn also aspects A. So why did he give it? > > > > If I had to choose I would have thought Sun/Sa. I see the delay > that > > Saturn gave in the sub period ie. last1/3 sector. But why did it > > come as an early marraige, would saturn not cause delay? > > > > Saturn periods: > > Ve/Sa - 4/1977-6/1980 (17-20yrs) > > Sun/Sa - 4/1987-4/1988 (27yrs) > > Mo/Sa - 9/1994-4/1996 (34yrs+) > > > > Regards, > > Puneet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Thanks Manu, Ash Finer points are becoming clearer with practice of more charts. Thanks again. I'm going into archives so will be coming with more questions... Puneet , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manu and Puneet, > Manu has given a very nice answer. > There is no delay. So earliest marriage might be done when person > may be 20-21. > So marriage might have happened at 20. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Manu Batura " > <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Puneet, > > > > I have taken DST as 1hr and got the same ascendant as yours. > > > > The marriage happened in ve/sa. > > > > A few points, > > > > ma CAN give the result even if it aspects B. LoE and LoD are always > > eager to give results even if they > > aspect A, B or C and ma is LoE. > > > > Similarly, sun can also give results since it is LoD. > > > > Saturn gave the result since it is samdharmi to Mars. When a planet > > gives results due to samdharmiship, > > we do not consider its aspects to A, B, or C. > > > > Sa gave the results for Mars since, Mars and Mer antras were later. > > If Mars antra was sooner than Sa, it would > > have given the results. > > > > Now, why the 3rd sector. There are no zeros in the chart so delay > > cannot be because of them. > > I think because the karyesh, sa himself is placed in Sa sign. The > > karyesh in delay causing planet like Sa > > causes delay to 3rd sector. > > > > Krushnaji and Ash may be able to provide more help. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > , " pjoshi1975 " > > <sunnyjoshi25> wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > > > I took up a chart from to practice. I am confused about something > > and > > > request your input. This chart was of Michelle in old post. > > > June 10, 1960 > > > 4:35 am > > > (england) 2W15, 53N30 GMT > > > Lagna I get is 23 Ta 17 > > > > > > Marraige date was March 1 1980. > > > > > > Here Mars is LoE and highest significator in worsheet aspects B > for > > > marriage so could not give the result. The samdharmi planets Sun, > > Ve > > > also cannot give since both aspect B and Venus has 11pts in WS. > > > Saturn is samdharmi to mars since in Scorpoi navamsa, has 17pts > so > > he > > > came forward. But Saturn also aspects A. So why did he give it? > > > > > > If I had to choose I would have thought Sun/Sa. I see the delay > > that > > > Saturn gave in the sub period ie. last1/3 sector. But why did it > > > come as an early marraige, would saturn not cause delay? > > > > > > Saturn periods: > > > Ve/Sa - 4/1977-6/1980 (17-20yrs) > > > Sun/Sa - 4/1987-4/1988 (27yrs) > > > Mo/Sa - 9/1994-4/1996 (34yrs+) > > > > > > Regards, > > > Puneet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Hi Puneet and Ash, You may be interested to kow that Tex Michelles husband from the marriage you are looking at died on April 10th this year (2004). If you wish t look at the chart the time of death was between (9:00am and 9:30am). Peter S - " pjoshi1975 " <sunnyjoshi25 Tuesday, August 03, 2004 2:01 AM Chart - why early marriage? > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > I took up a chart from to practice. I am confused about something and > request your input. This chart was of Michelle in old post. > June 10, 1960 > 4:35 am > (england) 2W15, 53N30 GMT > Lagna I get is 23 Ta 17 > > Marraige date was March 1 1980. > > Here Mars is LoE and highest significator in worsheet aspects B for > marriage so could not give the result. The samdharmi planets Sun, Ve > also cannot give since both aspect B and Venus has 11pts in WS. > Saturn is samdharmi to mars since in Scorpoi navamsa, has 17pts so he > came forward. But Saturn also aspects A. So why did he give it? > > If I had to choose I would have thought Sun/Sa. I see the delay that > Saturn gave in the sub period ie. last1/3 sector. But why did it > come as an early marraige, would saturn not cause delay? > > Saturn periods: > Ve/Sa - 4/1977-6/1980 (17-20yrs) > Sun/Sa - 4/1987-4/1988 (27yrs) > Mo/Sa - 9/1994-4/1996 (34yrs+) > > Regards, > Puneet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Hi Peter, Nice to hear from you. Hope all is well. I will take note of the info you provided. Not quite studying death at this stage but it will be good to keep for future reference. Thanks, Puneet , " Peter " <maypeter@o...> wrote: > Hi Puneet and Ash, > You may be interested to kow that Tex Michelles husband from the marriage > you are looking at died on April 10th this year (2004). If you wish t look > at the chart the time of death was between (9:00am and 9:30am). > > Peter S > - > " pjoshi1975 " <sunnyjoshi25> > > Tuesday, August 03, 2004 2:01 AM > Chart - why early marriage? > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > I took up a chart from to practice. I am confused about something and > > request your input. This chart was of Michelle in old post. > > June 10, 1960 > > 4:35 am > > (england) 2W15, 53N30 GMT > > Lagna I get is 23 Ta 17 > > > > Marraige date was March 1 1980. > > > > Here Mars is LoE and highest significator in worsheet aspects B for > > marriage so could not give the result. The samdharmi planets Sun, Ve > > also cannot give since both aspect B and Venus has 11pts in WS. > > Saturn is samdharmi to mars since in Scorpoi navamsa, has 17pts so he > > came forward. But Saturn also aspects A. So why did he give it? > > > > If I had to choose I would have thought Sun/Sa. I see the delay that > > Saturn gave in the sub period ie. last1/3 sector. But why did it > > come as an early marraige, would saturn not cause delay? > > > > Saturn periods: > > Ve/Sa - 4/1977-6/1980 (17-20yrs) > > Sun/Sa - 4/1987-4/1988 (27yrs) > > Mo/Sa - 9/1994-4/1996 (34yrs+) > > > > Regards, > > Puneet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Dear Peter, What was the time in Tex chart. Was he Sagittarius lagna or Scorpio lagna. ? Cheers !!! Ash , " Peter " <maypeter@o...> wrote: > Hi Puneet and Ash, > You may be interested to kow that Tex Michelles husband from the marriage > you are looking at died on April 10th this year (2004). If you wish t look > at the chart the time of death was between (9:00am and 9:30am). > > Peter S > - > " pjoshi1975 " <sunnyjoshi25> > > Tuesday, August 03, 2004 2:01 AM > Chart - why early marriage? > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > I took up a chart from to practice. I am confused about something and > > request your input. This chart was of Michelle in old post. > > June 10, 1960 > > 4:35 am > > (england) 2W15, 53N30 GMT > > Lagna I get is 23 Ta 17 > > > > Marraige date was March 1 1980. > > > > Here Mars is LoE and highest significator in worsheet aspects B for > > marriage so could not give the result. The samdharmi planets Sun, Ve > > also cannot give since both aspect B and Venus has 11pts in WS. > > Saturn is samdharmi to mars since in Scorpoi navamsa, has 17pts so he > > came forward. But Saturn also aspects A. So why did he give it? > > > > If I had to choose I would have thought Sun/Sa. I see the delay that > > Saturn gave in the sub period ie. last1/3 sector. But why did it > > come as an early marraige, would saturn not cause delay? > > > > Saturn periods: > > Ve/Sa - 4/1977-6/1980 (17-20yrs) > > Sun/Sa - 4/1987-4/1988 (27yrs) > > Mo/Sa - 9/1994-4/1996 (34yrs+) > > > > Regards, > > Puneet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Hi Ash, I haven't got Tex's birthdate handy but I will get it and let you have it in about 2 days time. Peter S Original Message ----- " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 Tuesday, August 03, 2004 11:00 AM Re: Chart - why early marriage? > Dear Peter, > What was the time in Tex chart. Was he Sagittarius lagna or Scorpio > lagna. ? > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Peter " > <maypeter@o...> wrote: > > Hi Puneet and Ash, > > You may be interested to kow that Tex Michelles husband from the > marriage > > you are looking at died on April 10th this year (2004). If you wish > t look > > at the chart the time of death was between (9:00am and 9:30am). > > > > Peter S > > - > > " pjoshi1975 " <sunnyjoshi25> > > > > Tuesday, August 03, 2004 2:01 AM > > Chart - why early marriage? > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > > > I took up a chart from to practice. I am confused about something > and > > > request your input. This chart was of Michelle in old post. > > > June 10, 1960 > > > 4:35 am > > > (england) 2W15, 53N30 GMT > > > Lagna I get is 23 Ta 17 > > > > > > Marraige date was March 1 1980. > > > > > > Here Mars is LoE and highest significator in worsheet aspects B > for > > > marriage so could not give the result. The samdharmi planets Sun, > Ve > > > also cannot give since both aspect B and Venus has 11pts in WS. > > > Saturn is samdharmi to mars since in Scorpoi navamsa, has 17pts > so he > > > came forward. But Saturn also aspects A. So why did he give it? > > > > > > If I had to choose I would have thought Sun/Sa. I see the delay > that > > > Saturn gave in the sub period ie. last1/3 sector. But why did it > > > come as an early marraige, would saturn not cause delay? > > > > > > Saturn periods: > > > Ve/Sa - 4/1977-6/1980 (17-20yrs) > > > Sun/Sa - 4/1987-4/1988 (27yrs) > > > Mo/Sa - 9/1994-4/1996 (34yrs+) > > > > > > Regards, > > > Puneet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Dear Peter, Ash, Puneet, The dasha on the date of the event is ma/me. Ma rules houses 7 and 12. Sa being in sco in navamsa, it is samdharmi to Ma. Hence, House A for the event could be 7, 9, 10, or 12. Corresponding house B could be one of: 12th, 2nd, 3th or 5th. Me rules houses 2 and 5 and is located in 2. Hence, house B for the event can be 12th, 8th, 5th, 9th. Death of husband is an 2nd, 8th and 12th house matter. Focusing house B on 12th, we find Me is LoE with 17 strength points. Hence, it can give the results. Focusing on house 2, we find me has 24 strength points, although ju and ma are more likely candidates for the event. Focusing on house 8, we find that me has maximum strength of 25 and is LoD. Again it can cause the event. The event seems to match the planet configuration. I think I still need to learn this type analysis in greater detail. This seems very cursory. Thanks & Regards, Manu , " Peter " <maypeter@o...> wrote: > Hi Ash, > I haven't got Tex's birthdate handy but I will get it and let you have it in > about 2 days time. > > Peter S > > > Original Message ----- > " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> > > Tuesday, August 03, 2004 11:00 AM > Re: Chart - why early marriage? > > > > Dear Peter, > > What was the time in Tex chart. Was he Sagittarius lagna or Scorpio > > lagna. ? > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " Peter " > > <maypeter@o...> wrote: > > > Hi Puneet and Ash, > > > You may be interested to kow that Tex Michelles husband from the > > marriage > > > you are looking at died on April 10th this year (2004). If you wish > > t look > > > at the chart the time of death was between (9:00am and 9:30am). > > > > > > Peter S > > > - > > > " pjoshi1975 " <sunnyjoshi25> > > > > > > Tuesday, August 03, 2004 2:01 AM > > > Chart - why early marriage? > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > > > > > I took up a chart from to practice. I am confused about something > > and > > > > request your input. This chart was of Michelle in old post. > > > > June 10, 1960 > > > > 4:35 am > > > > (england) 2W15, 53N30 GMT > > > > Lagna I get is 23 Ta 17 > > > > > > > > Marraige date was March 1 1980. > > > > > > > > Here Mars is LoE and highest significator in worsheet aspects B > > for > > > > marriage so could not give the result. The samdharmi planets Sun, > > Ve > > > > also cannot give since both aspect B and Venus has 11pts in WS. > > > > Saturn is samdharmi to mars since in Scorpoi navamsa, has 17pts > > so he > > > > came forward. But Saturn also aspects A. So why did he give it? > > > > > > > > If I had to choose I would have thought Sun/Sa. I see the delay > > that > > > > Saturn gave in the sub period ie. last1/3 sector. But why did it > > > > come as an early marraige, would saturn not cause delay? > > > > > > > > Saturn periods: > > > > Ve/Sa - 4/1977-6/1980 (17-20yrs) > > > > Sun/Sa - 4/1987-4/1988 (27yrs) > > > > Mo/Sa - 9/1994-4/1996 (34yrs+) > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Puneet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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