Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Krushnaji, Ash, I have a basic question. Please do not mind. Can LoD or LoE, if they are not samdharmi to 6th lord and are not lord of 12th from B, ever have malefic effect on House B. What if they have less than 4 points (say 0 points). Currently, in the WS, if the planet is lord of D or lord of E, we always add 5 points to the planet. We also say that a planet that have more than 12 points is favourable (subject to other conditions too). Now these 5 points can make a planet the strongest significator too in some cases. Given that we say the favourable events happen in the strongest significator and unfavourable events happen in weakest or lord of 6th antra, this seems to be contradictory. If the argument is that we add 5 points because LoD and LoE are always eager to give results and that timing and quanta of results are two different things, then too it seems invalid. While using the WS, we always say that if a planet is LoD or LoE, no matter how many points if gets, it is always eager to give results. Then we have to judge based on the general makeup of the chart if the event really can happen in that antra. Then what is the reason to add those 5 points? Also why only 5, why not 4, why not 6? I understand that it might be a law in KAS, but is there any reasoning behind it? Thanks & Regards, Manu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Manu, LoD and LoE are always eager to give results irrespective of the number of points it gets in the WS. My understanding was that to distinguish it from other planets we add 5 points as they are eager and yes in quite a few cases it would make it strongest significator. First you should study the chart and then see if any happiness is there from the event and then at the last stage use the WS to time events. So there is no contradition. LoD and LoE are eager to give results. If their antras come then they will try to give the result on the double such is their eagerness. Now say if divorce is there for that one has to marry right ... so there is no contradition. Now if LoD and LoE are SD to 6th lord then they will be spoilt. So it means that they will try to give result (as LoD or LoE) at the same time it will not give pure happiness (SD to 6th lord). Say 9th lord or lagna lords antra is running so its eager to give result for 4th house. Now assume lagna lord or 9th lord conjoins 6th lord. So its SD to 6th lord. So it will be eager to say give u say a house or a car. Lets assume one buys a car. So it fulfills the part of furnishing some house or car or some fixed asset now the 2nd part as being SD to 6th lord means the car might have some problems or the house that u got might havfe some legal issues .. in short some problem or the other will crop up ... and in short not pure happiness. I hope its clear now. Cheers !!! Ash Manu Batura <manubatura wrote: Dear Krushnaji, Ash,I have a basic question. Please do not mind.Can LoD or LoE, if they are not samdharmi to 6th lord and are not lord of 12th from B, ever have maleficeffect on House B. What if they have less than 4 points (say 0 points).Currently, in the WS, if the planet is lord of D or lord of E, we always add 5 points to the planet.We also say that a planet that have more than 12 points is favourable(subject to other conditions too).Now these 5 points can make a planet the strongest significator too in some cases.Given that we say the favourable events happen in the strongest significator and unfavourable eventshappen in weakest or lord of 6th antra, this seems to be contradictory.If the argument is that we add 5 points because LoD and LoE are always eager to give results and thattiming and quanta of results are two different things, then too it seems invalid.While using the WS, we always say that if a planet is LoD or LoE, no matter how many points if gets, it is always eager to give results. Then we have to judge based on the general makeup of the chartif the event really can happen in that antra.Then what is the reason to add those 5 points? Also why only 5, why not 4, why not 6?I understand that it might be a law in KAS, but is there any reasoning behind it?Thanks & Regards,Manu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 ed asset now the 2nd part as being SD to 6th lord means the car might have some problems or the house that u got might havfe some legal issues .. in short some problem or the other will crop up ... and in short not pure happiness. I hope its clear now. Cheers !!! Ash , Ash Sam <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manu, > > LoD and LoE are always eager to give results irrespective of the number of points it gets in the WS. > My understanding was that to distinguish it from other planets we add 5 points as they are eager and yes in quite a few cases it would make it strongest significator. > > First you should study the chart and then see if any happiness is there from the event and then at the last stage use the WS to time events. So there is no contradition. > > LoD and LoE are eager to give results. If their antras come then they will try to give the result on the double such is their eagerness. Now say if divorce is there for that one has to marry right ... so there is no contradition. > > > Now if LoD and LoE are SD to 6th lord then they will be spoilt. So it means that they will try to give result (as LoD or LoE) at the same time it will not give pure happiness (SD to 6th lord). > > Say 9th lord or lagna lords antra is running so its eager to give result for 4th house. Now assume lagna lord or 9th lord conjoins 6th lord. So its SD to 6th lord. So it will be eager to say give u say a house or a car. Lets assume one buys a car. So it fulfills the part of furnishing some house or car or some fixed asset now the 2nd part as being SD to 6th lord means the car might have some problems or the house that u got might havfe some legal issues .. in short some problem or the other will crop up ... and in short not pure happiness. > > I hope its clear now. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > I have a basic question. Please do not mind. > > Can LoD or LoE, if they are not samdharmi to 6th lord and are not > lord of 12th from B, ever have malefic > effect on House B. What if they have less than 4 points (say 0 > points). > > Currently, in the WS, if the planet is lord of D or lord of E, we > always add 5 points to the planet. > We also say that a planet that have more than 12 points is favourable > (subject to other conditions too). > > Now these 5 points can make a planet the strongest significator too > in some cases. > > Given that we say the favourable events happen in the strongest > significator and unfavourable events > happen in weakest or lord of 6th antra, this seems to be > contradictory. > > If the argument is that we add 5 points because LoD and LoE are > always eager to give results and that > timing and quanta of results are two different things, then too it > seems invalid. > > While using the WS, we always say that if a planet is LoD or LoE, no > matter how many points > if gets, it is always eager to give results. Then we have to judge > based on the general makeup of the chart > if the event really can happen in that antra. > > Then what is the reason to add those 5 points? Also why only 5, why > not 4, why not 6? > > I understand that it might be a law in KAS, but is there any > reasoning behind it? > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Ash, Thank you for the explanation. Please see my comments below. Thanks & Regards, Manu Dear Manu, LoD and LoE are always eager to give results irrespective of the number of points it gets in the WS. My understanding was that to distinguish it from other planets we add 5 points as they are eager and yes in quite a few cases it would make it strongest significator. MANU: IF THEY ARE ALWAYS EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS (BENEFIC OR MALEFIC), THEN WE DO NOT NEED TO DISTINGUISH THEM BY ADDING 5 POINTS. BY ADDING 5 POINTS WE ARE GIVING THEM BENEFIC CHARACTER (SINCE FAVOURABLE EVENTS HAPPEN IN STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR). First you should study the chart and then see if any happiness is there from the event and then at the last stage use the WS to time events. So there is no contradition. MANU: LET US SAY WE STUDY A CHART AND WE CONCLUDE THAT HAPPINESS IS NOT THERE FOR HOUSE B. AND LET US SAY THAT IN THAT CHART LORD D GET HIGH POINTS DUE TO THOSE 5 POINTS EVEN THOUGH IT IS MALEFIC IN NATURE, THEN WE SHALL MAKE AN ERROR IF WE DO NOT SELECT THAT MALEFIC LORD D SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS THE STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR (DUE TO THOSE 5 POINTS). LoD and LoE are eager to give results. If their antras come then they will try to give the result on the double such is their eagerness. Now say if divorce is there for that one has to marry right ... so there is no contradition. MANU: WOULDN'T A SIMILAR ERROR OCCUR? IF DIVORCE IS THERE THEN WE SHALL CONCLUDE THAT THE RESULTS IS NOT FAVOURABLE FOR HOUSE B. WE SHALL NOT SELECT LORD D OR E ANTRA JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING MORE POINTS. Now if LoD and LoE are SD to 6th lord then they will be spoilt. So it means that they will try to give result (as LoD or LoE) at the same time it will not give pure happiness (SD to 6th lord). MANU: DO THEY ALSO GET SPOILT IF THEY HAVE 0 POINTS IN THEIR ASHTAKAVARGAS? Say 9th lord or lagna lords antra is running so its eager to give result for 4th house. Now assume lagna lord or 9th lord conjoins 6th lord. So its SD to 6th lord. So it will be eager to say give u say a house or a car. Lets assume one buys a car. So it fulfills the part of furnishing some house or car or some fixed asset now the 2nd part as being SD to 6th lord means the car might have some problems or the house that u got might havfe some legal issues .. in short some problem or the other will crop up ... and in short not pure happiness. I hope its clear now. Cheers !!! Ash > > > Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > I have a basic question. Please do not mind. > > Can LoD or LoE, if they are not samdharmi to 6th lord and are not > lord of 12th from B, ever have malefic > effect on House B. What if they have less than 4 points (say 0 > points). > > Currently, in the WS, if the planet is lord of D or lord of E, we > always add 5 points to the planet. > We also say that a planet that have more than 12 points is favourable > (subject to other conditions too). > > Now these 5 points can make a planet the strongest significator too > in some cases. > > Given that we say the favourable events happen in the strongest > significator and unfavourable events > happen in weakest or lord of 6th antra, this seems to be > contradictory. > > If the argument is that we add 5 points because LoD and LoE are > always eager to give results and that > timing and quanta of results are two different things, then too it > seems invalid. > > While using the WS, we always say that if a planet is LoD or LoE, no > matter how many points > if gets, it is always eager to give results. Then we have to judge > based on the general makeup of the chart > if the event really can happen in that antra. > > Then what is the reason to add those 5 points? Also why only 5, why > not 4, why not 6? > > I understand that it might be a law in KAS, but is there any > reasoning behind it? > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Manu, Because LoD and LoE are eager to give results we are adding additional 5 points. Similarly if u study the WS if say a planet is in House D or E with say > 5 points then we ADD those points to the WS too. Now these planets also become eager to give results as they are tennants in House D or E with > 5 bindus. So we add their points in the WS. Also in the WS the total points are considering by considering their BASIC strength first and then you consider 4:10 and then you ADD 5 points to LoD and LoE and Planets in House D and E with > 4 bindus too. Then after that you conider the strenght gained or deducted due to Aspect on House A,B or C. So like that you consider total strength in WS. That gives the strength of planet. From the WS we can time the events. If we solve more charts we will get a better idea. Cheers !!! Ash Manu Batura <manubatura wrote: Dear Ash,Thank you for the explanation.Please see my comments below.Thanks & Regards,ManuDear Manu,LoD and LoE are always eager to give results irrespective of the number of points it gets in the WS. My understanding was that to distinguish it from other planets we add 5 points as they are eager and yes in quite a few cases it would make it strongest significator.MANU: IF THEY ARE ALWAYS EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS (BENEFIC OR MALEFIC), THEN WE DO NOT NEED TO DISTINGUISH THEM BY ADDING 5 POINTS. BY ADDING 5 POINTS WE ARE GIVING THEM BENEFIC CHARACTER (SINCE FAVOURABLE EVENTS HAPPEN IN STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR).First you should study the chart and then see if any happiness is there from the event and then at the last stage use the WS to time events. So there is no contradition.MANU: LET US SAY WE STUDY A CHART AND WE CONCLUDE THAT HAPPINESS IS NOT THERE FOR HOUSE B. AND LET US SAY THAT IN THAT CHART LORD D GET HIGH POINTS DUE TO THOSE 5 POINTS EVEN THOUGH IT IS MALEFIC IN NATURE, THEN WE SHALL MAKE AN ERROR IF WE DO NOT SELECT THAT MALEFIC LORD D SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS THE STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR (DUE TO THOSE 5 POINTS). LoD and LoE are eager to give results. If their antras come then they will try to give the result on the double such is their eagerness. Now say if divorce is there for that one has to marry right ... so there is no contradition.MANU: WOULDN'T A SIMILAR ERROR OCCUR? IF DIVORCE IS THERE THEN WE SHALL CONCLUDE THAT THE RESULTS IS NOT FAVOURABLE FOR HOUSE B. WE SHALL NOT SELECT LORD D OR E ANTRA JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING MORE POINTS. Now if LoD and LoE are SD to 6th lord then they will be spoilt. So it means that they will try to give result (as LoD or LoE) at the same time it will not give pure happiness (SD to 6th lord).MANU: DO THEY ALSO GET SPOILT IF THEY HAVE 0 POINTS IN THEIR ASHTAKAVARGAS?Say 9th lord or lagna lords antra is running so its eager to give result for 4th house. Now assume lagna lord or 9th lord conjoins 6th lord. So its SD to 6th lord. So it will be eager to say give u say a house or a car. Lets assume one buys a car. So it fulfills the part of furnishing some house or car or some fixed asset now the 2nd part as being SD to 6th lord means the car might have some problems or the house that u got might havfe some legal issues .. in short some problem or the other will crop up ... and in short not pure happiness. I hope its clear now.Cheers !!!Ash> > > Manu Batura wrote:> Dear Krushnaji, Ash,> > I have a basic question. Please do not mind.> > Can LoD or LoE, if they are not samdharmi to 6th lord and are not > lord of 12th from B, ever have malefic> effect on House B. What if they have less than 4 points (say 0 > points).> > Currently, in the WS, if the planet is lord of D or lord of E, we > always add 5 points to the planet.> We also say that a planet that have more than 12 points is favourable> (subject to other conditions too).> > Now these 5 points can make a planet the strongest significator too > in some cases.> > Given that we say the favourable events happen in the strongest > significator and unfavourable events> happen in weakest or lord of 6th antra, this seems to be > contradictory.> > If the argument is that we add 5 points because LoD and LoE are > always eager to give results and that> timing and quanta of results are two different things, then too it > seems invalid.> > While using the WS, we always say that if a planet is LoD or LoE, no > matter how many points > if gets, it is always eager to give results. Then we have to judge > based on the general makeup of the chart> if the event really can happen in that antra.> > Then what is the reason to add those 5 points? Also why only 5, why > not 4, why not 6?> > I understand that it might be a law in KAS, but is there any > reasoning behind it?> > Thanks & Regards,> Manu> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Krushnaji, Ash, I still have some doubts. Please see my comments below. Thanks & Regards, Manu Dear Manu, Because LoD and LoE are eager to give results we are adding additional 5 points. Similarly if u study the WS if say a planet is in House D or E with say > 5 points then we ADD those points to the WS too. Now these planets also become eager to give results as they are tennants in House D or E with > 5 bindus. So we add their points in the WS. MANU: IF A PLANET IS PLACED IN HOUSE D OR E WITH > 4 POINTS AND 5 POINTS ARE ADDED, THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE, SINCE THE PLANET IS BENEFIC. IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE FOR LORD OF D OR E. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY THAT THEY ARE EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS. BUT THOSE 5 POINTS SHALL CAUSE THE PLANET TO HAVE ADDITIONAL STRENGTH WHICH IS NOT APPROPRIATE IF THE PLANET IS MALEFIC SINCE STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR IS USED FOR FAVOURABLE PLANETS. Also in the WS the total points are considering by considering their BASIC strength first and then you consider 4:10 and then you ADD 5 points to LoD and LoE and Planets in House D and E with > 4 bindus too. Then after that you conider the strenght gained or deducted due to Aspect on House A,B or C. MANU: I UNDERSTAND THIS. So like that you consider total strength in WS. That gives the strength of planet. From the WS we can time the events. If we solve more charts we will get a better idea. Cheers !!! Ash > > Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Thank you for the explanation. > > Please see my comments below. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > > Dear Manu, > > LoD and LoE are always eager to give results irrespective of the > number of points it gets in the WS. > My understanding was that to distinguish it from other planets we add > 5 points as they are eager and yes in quite a few cases it would make > it strongest significator. > > MANU: IF THEY ARE ALWAYS EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS (BENEFIC OR MALEFIC), > THEN WE DO NOT NEED TO DISTINGUISH THEM BY ADDING 5 POINTS. BY ADDING > 5 POINTS WE ARE GIVING THEM BENEFIC CHARACTER (SINCE FAVOURABLE > EVENTS HAPPEN IN STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR). > > First you should study the chart and then see if any happiness is > there from the event and then at the last stage use the WS to time > events. So there is no contradition. > > MANU: LET US SAY WE STUDY A CHART AND WE CONCLUDE THAT HAPPINESS IS > NOT THERE FOR HOUSE B. AND LET US SAY THAT IN THAT CHART LORD D GET > HIGH POINTS DUE TO THOSE 5 POINTS EVEN THOUGH IT IS MALEFIC IN > NATURE, THEN WE SHALL MAKE AN ERROR IF WE DO NOT SELECT THAT MALEFIC > LORD D SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS THE STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR (DUE TO THOSE > 5 POINTS). > > LoD and LoE are eager to give results. If their antras come then > they will try to give the result on the double such is their > eagerness. Now say if divorce is there for that one has to marry > right ... so there is no contradition. > > MANU: WOULDN'T A SIMILAR ERROR OCCUR? IF DIVORCE IS THERE THEN WE > SHALL CONCLUDE THAT THE RESULTS IS NOT FAVOURABLE FOR HOUSE B. WE > SHALL NOT SELECT LORD D OR E ANTRA JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING MORE > POINTS. > > Now if LoD and LoE are SD to 6th lord then they will be spoilt. So > it means that they will try to give result (as LoD or LoE) at the > same time it will not give pure happiness (SD to 6th lord). > > MANU: DO THEY ALSO GET SPOILT IF THEY HAVE 0 POINTS IN THEIR > ASHTAKAVARGAS? > > Say 9th lord or lagna lords antra is running so its eager to give > result for 4th house. Now assume lagna lord or 9th lord conjoins 6th > lord. So its SD to 6th lord. So it will be eager to say give u say > a house or a car. Lets assume one buys a car. So it fulfills the > part of furnishing some house or car or some fixed asset now the 2nd > part as being SD to 6th lord means the car might have some problems > or the house that u got might havfe some legal issues .. in short > some problem or the other will crop up ... and in short not pure > happiness. > > I hope its clear now. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > > Manu Batura wrote: > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > I have a basic question. Please do not mind. > > > > Can LoD or LoE, if they are not samdharmi to 6th lord and are not > > lord of 12th from B, ever have malefic > > effect on House B. What if they have less than 4 points (say 0 > > points). > > > > Currently, in the WS, if the planet is lord of D or lord of E, we > > always add 5 points to the planet. > > We also say that a planet that have more than 12 points is > favourable > > (subject to other conditions too). > > > > Now these 5 points can make a planet the strongest significator too > > in some cases. > > > > Given that we say the favourable events happen in the strongest > > significator and unfavourable events > > happen in weakest or lord of 6th antra, this seems to be > > contradictory. > > > > If the argument is that we add 5 points because LoD and LoE are > > always eager to give results and that > > timing and quanta of results are two different things, then too it > > seems invalid. > > > > While using the WS, we always say that if a planet is LoD or LoE, > no > > matter how many points > > if gets, it is always eager to give results. Then we have to judge > > based on the general makeup of the chart > > if the event really can happen in that antra. > > > > Then what is the reason to add those 5 points? Also why only 5, why > > not 4, why not 6? > > > > I understand that it might be a law in KAS, but is there any > > reasoning behind it? > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Manu, LoD and LoE do not give malefic results. They always do well. We add 5 points to LoD and LoE in WS. Now say if a marriage was done in lowest signfiicator it means that LoD or LoE will clean up the act and do good. Yes when you add 5 points BEACUSE THEY ARE EAGER meaning it has more power to deliver the results. Now even if points are less as per WS for LoD and LoE it will still try to give results but quality of such an event might not be satisfactory. LoD and LoE do not act based on points in the WS but due to lordship. That is why it does not matter for timing of results we use lordship of LoD and LoE so we can say that they are EAGER to give results. Now if points are good then happiness from it is also good. That is why we say good results happen in strongest significator. Say happy marriage is indicated in a chart then strongest significator or LoD or LoE will come forward to give the result. If the strongest significator is not LoD or LoE and it say aspects house A or B or C then its SD will come forward. I am finding it hard to explain. I think if we solve some charts based on these phenemons then it will become clear. In a chart so many things have to be taken into consideration before going into timing. I had given a chart on the list which I had taken permission but no one attempted Birth details: June 14, 1967, 5.30 pm, Bombay, India. I have not rectified the time but it seems to be in the ball park. Please closely study this chart for the antras of marriage and divorse. 1st marriage date: April 27, 19951st divorce date: May 12, 1999 (separated April 15, 1998) 2nd marriage date: December 2, 19992nd divorce date: April 2, 2002 (separated Oct. 26, 2001) 3rd marriage date: April 30, 20023rd marriage separation date: February 24, 2003. Cheers !!! Ash Manu Batura <manubatura wrote: Dear Krushnaji, Ash,I still have some doubts.Please see my comments below.Thanks & Regards,ManuDear Manu,Because LoD and LoE are eager to give results we are adding additional 5 points.Similarly if u study the WS if say a planet is in House D or E with say > 5 points then we ADD those points to the WS too.Now these planets also become eager to give results as they are tennants in House D or E with > 5 bindus.So we add their points in the WS.MANU: IF A PLANET IS PLACED IN HOUSE D OR E WITH > 4 POINTS AND 5 POINTS ARE ADDED, THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE, SINCE THE PLANET IS BENEFIC. IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE FOR LORD OF D OR E. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY THAT THEY ARE EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS. BUT THOSE 5 POINTS SHALL CAUSE THE PLANET TO HAVE ADDITIONAL STRENGTH WHICH IS NOT APPROPRIATE IF THE PLANET IS MALEFIC SINCE STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR IS USED FOR FAVOURABLE PLANETS.Also in the WS the total points are considering by considering their BASIC strength first and then you consider 4:10 and then you ADD 5 points to LoD and LoE and Planets in House D and E with > 4 bindus too.Then after that you conider the strenght gained or deducted due to Aspect on House A,B or C.MANU: I UNDERSTAND THIS.So like that you consider total strength in WS. That gives the strength of planet.From the WS we can time the events.If we solve more charts we will get a better idea.Cheers !!!Ash> > Manu Batura wrote:> Dear Ash,> > Thank you for the explanation.> > Please see my comments below.> > Thanks & Regards,> Manu> > > Dear Manu,> > LoD and LoE are always eager to give results irrespective of the > number of points it gets in the WS. > My understanding was that to distinguish it from other planets we add > 5 points as they are eager and yes in quite a few cases it would make > it strongest significator.> > MANU: IF THEY ARE ALWAYS EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS (BENEFIC OR MALEFIC), > THEN WE DO NOT NEED TO DISTINGUISH THEM BY ADDING 5 POINTS. BY ADDING > 5 POINTS WE ARE GIVING THEM BENEFIC CHARACTER (SINCE FAVOURABLE > EVENTS HAPPEN IN STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR).> > First you should study the chart and then see if any happiness is > there from the event and then at the last stage use the WS to time > events. So there is no contradition.> > MANU: LET US SAY WE STUDY A CHART AND WE CONCLUDE THAT HAPPINESS IS > NOT THERE FOR HOUSE B. AND LET US SAY THAT IN THAT CHART LORD D GET > HIGH POINTS DUE TO THOSE 5 POINTS EVEN THOUGH IT IS MALEFIC IN > NATURE, THEN WE SHALL MAKE AN ERROR IF WE DO NOT SELECT THAT MALEFIC > LORD D SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS THE STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR (DUE TO THOSE > 5 POINTS). > > LoD and LoE are eager to give results. If their antras come then > they will try to give the result on the double such is their > eagerness. Now say if divorce is there for that one has to marry > right ... so there is no contradition.> > MANU: WOULDN'T A SIMILAR ERROR OCCUR? IF DIVORCE IS THERE THEN WE > SHALL CONCLUDE THAT THE RESULTS IS NOT FAVOURABLE FOR HOUSE B. WE > SHALL NOT SELECT LORD D OR E ANTRA JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING MORE > POINTS. > > Now if LoD and LoE are SD to 6th lord then they will be spoilt. So > it means that they will try to give result (as LoD or LoE) at the > same time it will not give pure happiness (SD to 6th lord).> > MANU: DO THEY ALSO GET SPOILT IF THEY HAVE 0 POINTS IN THEIR > ASHTAKAVARGAS?> > Say 9th lord or lagna lords antra is running so its eager to give > result for 4th house. Now assume lagna lord or 9th lord conjoins 6th > lord. So its SD to 6th lord. So it will be eager to say give u say > a house or a car. Lets assume one buys a car. So it fulfills the > part of furnishing some house or car or some fixed asset now the 2nd > part as being SD to 6th lord means the car might have some problems > or the house that u got might havfe some legal issues .. in short > some problem or the other will crop up ... and in short not pure > happiness. > > I hope its clear now.> > Cheers !!!> Ash> > > > > > Manu Batura wrote:> > Dear Krushnaji, Ash,> > > > I have a basic question. Please do not mind.> > > > Can LoD or LoE, if they are not samdharmi to 6th lord and are not > > lord of 12th from B, ever have malefic> > effect on House B. What if they have less than 4 points (say 0 > > points).> > > > Currently, in the WS, if the planet is lord of D or lord of E, we > > always add 5 points to the planet.> > We also say that a planet that have more than 12 points is > favourable> > (subject to other conditions too).> > > > Now these 5 points can make a planet the strongest significator too > > in some cases.> > > > Given that we say the favourable events happen in the strongest > > significator and unfavourable events> > happen in weakest or lord of 6th antra, this seems to be > > contradictory.> > > > If the argument is that we add 5 points because LoD and LoE are > > always eager to give results and that> > timing and quanta of results are two different things, then too it > > seems invalid.> > > > While using the WS, we always say that if a planet is LoD or LoE, > no > > matter how many points > > if gets, it is always eager to give results. Then we have to judge > > based on the general makeup of the chart> > if the event really can happen in that antra.> > > > Then what is the reason to add those 5 points? Also why only 5, why > > not 4, why not 6?> > > > I understand that it might be a law in KAS, but is there any > > reasoning behind it?> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > Manu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Ash, I think I understood it now. My perception was that LoD and LoE, if they have less points in their ashtakavarga shall be malefic for house B. Will it be correct to also assume that LoD and LoE are always benefic unless they are: 1. Lord of 6th. 2. Aspected by Lord of 6th. 3. Samdharmi to 6th lord. I shall attempt the chart that you posted soon. Seems very interesting. Thanks & Regards, Manu , Ash Sam <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manu, > > LoD and LoE do not give malefic results. They always do well. We add 5 points to LoD and LoE in WS. > > Now say if a marriage was done in lowest signfiicator it means that LoD or LoE will clean up the act and do good. > > Yes when you add 5 points BEACUSE THEY ARE EAGER meaning it has more power to deliver the results. > > Now even if points are less as per WS for LoD and LoE it will still try to give results but quality of such an event might not be satisfactory. > > LoD and LoE do not act based on points in the WS but due to lordship. That is why it does not matter for timing of results we use lordship of LoD and LoE so we can say that they are EAGER to give results. > > Now if points are good then happiness from it is also good. > > That is why we say good results happen in strongest significator. > > Say happy marriage is indicated in a chart then strongest significator or LoD or LoE will come forward to give the result. If the strongest significator is not LoD or LoE and it say aspects house A or B or C then its SD will come forward. > > I am finding it hard to explain. I think if we solve some charts based on these phenemons then it will become clear. > > In a chart so many things have to be taken into consideration before going into timing. > > I had given a chart on the list which I had taken permission but no one attempted > Birth details: June 14, 1967, 5.30 pm, Bombay, India. I have not rectified the time but it seems to be in the ball park. > > Please closely study this chart for the antras of marriage and divorse. > > 1st marriage date: April 27, 1995 > 1st divorce date: May 12, 1999 (separated April 15, 1998) > > 2nd marriage date: December 2, 1999 > 2nd divorce date: April 2, 2002 (separated Oct. 26, 2001) > > 3rd marriage date: April 30, 2002 > 3rd marriage separation date: February 24, 2003. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > > Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > I still have some doubts. > Please see my comments below. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > > Dear Manu, > > Because LoD and LoE are eager to give results we are adding > additional 5 points. > Similarly if u study the WS if say a planet is in House D or E with > say > 5 points then we ADD those points to the WS too. > > Now these planets also become eager to give results as they are > tennants in House D or E with > 5 bindus. > So we add their points in the WS. > > MANU: IF A PLANET IS PLACED IN HOUSE D OR E WITH > 4 POINTS AND 5 > POINTS ARE ADDED, THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE, SINCE THE PLANET IS > BENEFIC. IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE FOR LORD OF D OR E. I UNDERSTAND WHAT > YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY THAT THEY ARE EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS. BUT THOSE > 5 POINTS SHALL CAUSE THE PLANET TO HAVE ADDITIONAL STRENGTH WHICH IS > NOT APPROPRIATE IF THE PLANET IS MALEFIC SINCE STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR > IS USED FOR FAVOURABLE PLANETS. > > Also in the WS the total points are considering by considering their > BASIC strength first and then you consider 4:10 and then you ADD 5 > points to LoD and LoE and Planets in House D and E with > 4 bindus > too. > > Then after that you conider the strenght gained or deducted due to > Aspect on House A,B or C. > > MANU: I UNDERSTAND THIS. > > So like that you consider total strength in WS. That gives the > strength of planet. > > From the WS we can time the events. > > If we solve more charts we will get a better idea. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > Manu Batura wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thank you for the explanation. > > > > Please see my comments below. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > LoD and LoE are always eager to give results irrespective of the > > number of points it gets in the WS. > > My understanding was that to distinguish it from other planets we > add > > 5 points as they are eager and yes in quite a few cases it would > make > > it strongest significator. > > > > MANU: IF THEY ARE ALWAYS EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS (BENEFIC OR > MALEFIC), > > THEN WE DO NOT NEED TO DISTINGUISH THEM BY ADDING 5 POINTS. BY > ADDING > > 5 POINTS WE ARE GIVING THEM BENEFIC CHARACTER (SINCE FAVOURABLE > > EVENTS HAPPEN IN STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR). > > > > First you should study the chart and then see if any happiness is > > there from the event and then at the last stage use the WS to time > > events. So there is no contradition. > > > > MANU: LET US SAY WE STUDY A CHART AND WE CONCLUDE THAT HAPPINESS IS > > NOT THERE FOR HOUSE B. AND LET US SAY THAT IN THAT CHART LORD D GET > > HIGH POINTS DUE TO THOSE 5 POINTS EVEN THOUGH IT IS MALEFIC IN > > NATURE, THEN WE SHALL MAKE AN ERROR IF WE DO NOT SELECT THAT > MALEFIC > > LORD D SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS THE STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR (DUE TO > THOSE > > 5 POINTS). > > > > LoD and LoE are eager to give results. If their antras come then > > they will try to give the result on the double such is their > > eagerness. Now say if divorce is there for that one has to marry > > right ... so there is no contradition. > > > > MANU: WOULDN'T A SIMILAR ERROR OCCUR? IF DIVORCE IS THERE THEN WE > > SHALL CONCLUDE THAT THE RESULTS IS NOT FAVOURABLE FOR HOUSE B. WE > > SHALL NOT SELECT LORD D OR E ANTRA JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING > MORE > > POINTS. > > > > Now if LoD and LoE are SD to 6th lord then they will be spoilt. So > > it means that they will try to give result (as LoD or LoE) at the > > same time it will not give pure happiness (SD to 6th lord). > > > > MANU: DO THEY ALSO GET SPOILT IF THEY HAVE 0 POINTS IN THEIR > > ASHTAKAVARGAS? > > > > Say 9th lord or lagna lords antra is running so its eager to give > > result for 4th house. Now assume lagna lord or 9th lord conjoins > 6th > > lord. So its SD to 6th lord. So it will be eager to say give u say > > a house or a car. Lets assume one buys a car. So it fulfills the > > part of furnishing some house or car or some fixed asset now the > 2nd > > part as being SD to 6th lord means the car might have some problems > > or the house that u got might havfe some legal issues .. in short > > some problem or the other will crop up ... and in short not pure > > happiness. > > > > I hope its clear now. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > Manu Batura wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > > > I have a basic question. Please do not mind. > > > > > > Can LoD or LoE, if they are not samdharmi to 6th lord and are not > > > lord of 12th from B, ever have malefic > > > effect on House B. What if they have less than 4 points (say 0 > > > points). > > > > > > Currently, in the WS, if the planet is lord of D or lord of E, we > > > always add 5 points to the planet. > > > We also say that a planet that have more than 12 points is > > favourable > > > (subject to other conditions too). > > > > > > Now these 5 points can make a planet the strongest significator > too > > > in some cases. > > > > > > Given that we say the favourable events happen in the strongest > > > significator and unfavourable events > > > happen in weakest or lord of 6th antra, this seems to be > > > contradictory. > > > > > > If the argument is that we add 5 points because LoD and LoE are > > > always eager to give results and that > > > timing and quanta of results are two different things, then too > it > > > seems invalid. > > > > > > While using the WS, we always say that if a planet is LoD or LoE, > > no > > > matter how many points > > > if gets, it is always eager to give results. Then we have to > judge > > > based on the general makeup of the chart > > > if the event really can happen in that antra. > > > > > > Then what is the reason to add those 5 points? Also why only 5, > why > > > not 4, why not 6? > > > > > > I understand that it might be a law in KAS, but is there any > > > reasoning behind it? > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Manu, What do you mean when you say LoD and LoE are benefic unless ...... LoD and LoE are not malefic. I do not understand in what context you are considering them ... They are eager to give result i.e timing. The quality is a different matter. I have given u an analogy that if say LoD or LoE gives timing of say buying a car so that PART IS TIMING OF EVENT.. now if the CAR GIVES TROUBLE.. I.E. HAPPINESS (due to say being SD to 3rd lord i.e. 12th from B or 6th lord) then that IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE. If someone asks u a question ... MANU WHEN WILL I GET A CAR ? I think u can time the event... About being SD I had refereed you to the SD mail. Please go through that carefully. Cheers !!! Ash , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > I think I understood it now. My perception was that LoD and LoE, if > they have less points in their ashtakavarga shall be malefic for > house B. > > Will it be correct to also assume that LoD and LoE are always benefic > unless > they are: > 1. Lord of 6th. > 2. Aspected by Lord of 6th. > 3. Samdharmi to 6th lord. > > I shall attempt the chart that you posted soon. Seems very > interesting. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > > > > , Ash Sam > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Manu, > > > > LoD and LoE do not give malefic results. They always do well. We > add 5 points to LoD and LoE in WS. > > > > Now say if a marriage was done in lowest signfiicator it means that > LoD or LoE will clean up the act and do good. > > > > Yes when you add 5 points BEACUSE THEY ARE EAGER meaning it has > more power to deliver the results. > > > > Now even if points are less as per WS for LoD and LoE it will still > try to give results but quality of such an event might not be > satisfactory. > > > > LoD and LoE do not act based on points in the WS but due to > lordship. That is why it does not matter for timing of results we > use lordship of LoD and LoE so we can say that they are EAGER to give > results. > > > > Now if points are good then happiness from it is also good. > > > > That is why we say good results happen in strongest significator. > > > > Say happy marriage is indicated in a chart then strongest > significator or LoD or LoE will come forward to give the result. If > the strongest significator is not LoD or LoE and it say aspects house > A or B or C then its SD will come forward. > > > > I am finding it hard to explain. I think if we solve some charts > based on these phenemons then it will become clear. > > > > In a chart so many things have to be taken into consideration > before going into timing. > > > > I had given a chart on the list which I had taken permission but no > one attempted > > Birth details: June 14, 1967, 5.30 pm, Bombay, India. I have not > rectified the time but it seems to be in the ball park. > > > > Please closely study this chart for the antras of marriage and > divorse. > > > > 1st marriage date: April 27, 1995 > > 1st divorce date: May 12, 1999 (separated April 15, 1998) > > > > 2nd marriage date: December 2, 1999 > > 2nd divorce date: April 2, 2002 (separated Oct. 26, 2001) > > > > 3rd marriage date: April 30, 2002 > > 3rd marriage separation date: February 24, 2003. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > I still have some doubts. > > Please see my comments below. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > Because LoD and LoE are eager to give results we are adding > > additional 5 points. > > Similarly if u study the WS if say a planet is in House D or E with > > say > 5 points then we ADD those points to the WS too. > > > > Now these planets also become eager to give results as they are > > tennants in House D or E with > 5 bindus. > > So we add their points in the WS. > > > > MANU: IF A PLANET IS PLACED IN HOUSE D OR E WITH > 4 POINTS AND 5 > > POINTS ARE ADDED, THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE, SINCE THE PLANET IS > > BENEFIC. IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE FOR LORD OF D OR E. I UNDERSTAND > WHAT > > YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY THAT THEY ARE EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS. BUT > THOSE > > 5 POINTS SHALL CAUSE THE PLANET TO HAVE ADDITIONAL STRENGTH WHICH > IS > > NOT APPROPRIATE IF THE PLANET IS MALEFIC SINCE STRONGEST > SIGNIFICATOR > > IS USED FOR FAVOURABLE PLANETS. > > > > Also in the WS the total points are considering by considering > their > > BASIC strength first and then you consider 4:10 and then you ADD 5 > > points to LoD and LoE and Planets in House D and E with > 4 bindus > > too. > > > > Then after that you conider the strenght gained or deducted due to > > Aspect on House A,B or C. > > > > MANU: I UNDERSTAND THIS. > > > > So like that you consider total strength in WS. That gives the > > strength of planet. > > > > From the WS we can time the events. > > > > If we solve more charts we will get a better idea. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > Manu Batura wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Thank you for the explanation. > > > > > > Please see my comments below. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > LoD and LoE are always eager to give results irrespective of the > > > number of points it gets in the WS. > > > My understanding was that to distinguish it from other planets we > > add > > > 5 points as they are eager and yes in quite a few cases it would > > make > > > it strongest significator. > > > > > > MANU: IF THEY ARE ALWAYS EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS (BENEFIC OR > > MALEFIC), > > > THEN WE DO NOT NEED TO DISTINGUISH THEM BY ADDING 5 POINTS. BY > > ADDING > > > 5 POINTS WE ARE GIVING THEM BENEFIC CHARACTER (SINCE FAVOURABLE > > > EVENTS HAPPEN IN STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR). > > > > > > First you should study the chart and then see if any happiness is > > > there from the event and then at the last stage use the WS to > time > > > events. So there is no contradition. > > > > > > MANU: LET US SAY WE STUDY A CHART AND WE CONCLUDE THAT HAPPINESS > IS > > > NOT THERE FOR HOUSE B. AND LET US SAY THAT IN THAT CHART LORD D > GET > > > HIGH POINTS DUE TO THOSE 5 POINTS EVEN THOUGH IT IS MALEFIC IN > > > NATURE, THEN WE SHALL MAKE AN ERROR IF WE DO NOT SELECT THAT > > MALEFIC > > > LORD D SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS THE STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR (DUE TO > > THOSE > > > 5 POINTS). > > > > > > LoD and LoE are eager to give results. If their antras come then > > > they will try to give the result on the double such is their > > > eagerness. Now say if divorce is there for that one has to marry > > > right ... so there is no contradition. > > > > > > MANU: WOULDN'T A SIMILAR ERROR OCCUR? IF DIVORCE IS THERE THEN WE > > > SHALL CONCLUDE THAT THE RESULTS IS NOT FAVOURABLE FOR HOUSE B. WE > > > SHALL NOT SELECT LORD D OR E ANTRA JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING > > MORE > > > POINTS. > > > > > > Now if LoD and LoE are SD to 6th lord then they will be spoilt. > So > > > it means that they will try to give result (as LoD or LoE) at the > > > same time it will not give pure happiness (SD to 6th lord). > > > > > > MANU: DO THEY ALSO GET SPOILT IF THEY HAVE 0 POINTS IN THEIR > > > ASHTAKAVARGAS? > > > > > > Say 9th lord or lagna lords antra is running so its eager to give > > > result for 4th house. Now assume lagna lord or 9th lord conjoins > > 6th > > > lord. So its SD to 6th lord. So it will be eager to say give u > say > > > a house or a car. Lets assume one buys a car. So it fulfills the > > > part of furnishing some house or car or some fixed asset now the > > 2nd > > > part as being SD to 6th lord means the car might have some > problems > > > or the house that u got might havfe some legal issues .. in short > > > some problem or the other will crop up ... and in short not pure > > > happiness. > > > > > > I hope its clear now. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > Manu Batura wrote: > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > > > > > I have a basic question. Please do not mind. > > > > > > > > Can LoD or LoE, if they are not samdharmi to 6th lord and are > not > > > > lord of 12th from B, ever have malefic > > > > effect on House B. What if they have less than 4 points (say 0 > > > > points). > > > > > > > > Currently, in the WS, if the planet is lord of D or lord of E, > we > > > > always add 5 points to the planet. > > > > We also say that a planet that have more than 12 points is > > > favourable > > > > (subject to other conditions too). > > > > > > > > Now these 5 points can make a planet the strongest significator > > too > > > > in some cases. > > > > > > > > Given that we say the favourable events happen in the strongest > > > > significator and unfavourable events > > > > happen in weakest or lord of 6th antra, this seems to be > > > > contradictory. > > > > > > > > If the argument is that we add 5 points because LoD and LoE are > > > > always eager to give results and that > > > > timing and quanta of results are two different things, then too > > it > > > > seems invalid. > > > > > > > > While using the WS, we always say that if a planet is LoD or > LoE, > > > no > > > > matter how many points > > > > if gets, it is always eager to give results. Then we have to > > judge > > > > based on the general makeup of the chart > > > > if the event really can happen in that antra. > > > > > > > > Then what is the reason to add those 5 points? Also why only 5, > > why > > > > not 4, why not 6? > > > > > > > > I understand that it might be a law in KAS, but is there any > > > > reasoning behind it? > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Ash, When you refer to words " benefic " or " malefic " , what do you actually mean. I understand them as follows: " Benefic " means having good quality. " Malefic " means having bad quality. When you refer to these words are you using the following definitions?: " Benefic " means eager to give results. " Malefic " means not so eager. Thanks & Regards, Manu , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manu, > What do you mean when you say LoD and LoE are benefic unless ...... > LoD and LoE are not malefic. I do not understand in what context you > are considering them ... > They are eager to give result i.e timing. The quality is a different > matter. I have given u an analogy that if say LoD or LoE gives > timing of say buying a car so that PART IS TIMING OF EVENT.. now if > the CAR GIVES TROUBLE.. I.E. HAPPINESS (due to say being SD to 3rd > lord i.e. 12th from B or 6th lord) then that IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE. > If someone asks u a question ... MANU WHEN WILL I GET A CAR ? I > think u can time the event... > > About being SD I had refereed you to the SD mail. Please go through > that carefully. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Manu Batura " > <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > I think I understood it now. My perception was that LoD and LoE, if > > they have less points in their ashtakavarga shall be malefic for > > house B. > > > > Will it be correct to also assume that LoD and LoE are always > benefic > > unless > > they are: > > 1. Lord of 6th. > > 2. Aspected by Lord of 6th. > > 3. Samdharmi to 6th lord. > > > > I shall attempt the chart that you posted soon. Seems very > > interesting. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > , Ash Sam > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > LoD and LoE do not give malefic results. They always do well. > We > > add 5 points to LoD and LoE in WS. > > > > > > Now say if a marriage was done in lowest signfiicator it means > that > > LoD or LoE will clean up the act and do good. > > > > > > Yes when you add 5 points BEACUSE THEY ARE EAGER meaning it has > > more power to deliver the results. > > > > > > Now even if points are less as per WS for LoD and LoE it will > still > > try to give results but quality of such an event might not be > > satisfactory. > > > > > > LoD and LoE do not act based on points in the WS but due to > > lordship. That is why it does not matter for timing of results we > > use lordship of LoD and LoE so we can say that they are EAGER to > give > > results. > > > > > > Now if points are good then happiness from it is also good. > > > > > > That is why we say good results happen in strongest significator. > > > > > > Say happy marriage is indicated in a chart then strongest > > significator or LoD or LoE will come forward to give the result. > If > > the strongest significator is not LoD or LoE and it say aspects > house > > A or B or C then its SD will come forward. > > > > > > I am finding it hard to explain. I think if we solve some charts > > based on these phenemons then it will become clear. > > > > > > In a chart so many things have to be taken into consideration > > before going into timing. > > > > > > I had given a chart on the list which I had taken permission but > no > > one attempted > > > Birth details: June 14, 1967, 5.30 pm, Bombay, India. I have not > > rectified the time but it seems to be in the ball park. > > > > > > Please closely study this chart for the antras of marriage and > > divorse. > > > > > > 1st marriage date: April 27, 1995 > > > 1st divorce date: May 12, 1999 (separated April 15, 1998) > > > > > > 2nd marriage date: December 2, 1999 > > > 2nd divorce date: April 2, 2002 (separated Oct. 26, 2001) > > > > > > 3rd marriage date: April 30, 2002 > > > 3rd marriage separation date: February 24, 2003. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > > > I still have some doubts. > > > Please see my comments below. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > Because LoD and LoE are eager to give results we are adding > > > additional 5 points. > > > Similarly if u study the WS if say a planet is in House D or E > with > > > say > 5 points then we ADD those points to the WS too. > > > > > > Now these planets also become eager to give results as they are > > > tennants in House D or E with > 5 bindus. > > > So we add their points in the WS. > > > > > > MANU: IF A PLANET IS PLACED IN HOUSE D OR E WITH > 4 POINTS AND 5 > > > POINTS ARE ADDED, THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE, SINCE THE PLANET IS > > > BENEFIC. IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE FOR LORD OF D OR E. I UNDERSTAND > > WHAT > > > YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY THAT THEY ARE EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS. BUT > > THOSE > > > 5 POINTS SHALL CAUSE THE PLANET TO HAVE ADDITIONAL STRENGTH WHICH > > IS > > > NOT APPROPRIATE IF THE PLANET IS MALEFIC SINCE STRONGEST > > SIGNIFICATOR > > > IS USED FOR FAVOURABLE PLANETS. > > > > > > Also in the WS the total points are considering by considering > > their > > > BASIC strength first and then you consider 4:10 and then you ADD > 5 > > > points to LoD and LoE and Planets in House D and E with > 4 > bindus > > > too. > > > > > > Then after that you conider the strenght gained or deducted due > to > > > Aspect on House A,B or C. > > > > > > MANU: I UNDERSTAND THIS. > > > > > > So like that you consider total strength in WS. That gives the > > > strength of planet. > > > > > > From the WS we can time the events. > > > > > > If we solve more charts we will get a better idea. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > Manu Batura wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Thank you for the explanation. > > > > > > > > Please see my comments below. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > > > LoD and LoE are always eager to give results irrespective of > the > > > > number of points it gets in the WS. > > > > My understanding was that to distinguish it from other planets > we > > > add > > > > 5 points as they are eager and yes in quite a few cases it > would > > > make > > > > it strongest significator. > > > > > > > > MANU: IF THEY ARE ALWAYS EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS (BENEFIC OR > > > MALEFIC), > > > > THEN WE DO NOT NEED TO DISTINGUISH THEM BY ADDING 5 POINTS. BY > > > ADDING > > > > 5 POINTS WE ARE GIVING THEM BENEFIC CHARACTER (SINCE FAVOURABLE > > > > EVENTS HAPPEN IN STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR). > > > > > > > > First you should study the chart and then see if any happiness > is > > > > there from the event and then at the last stage use the WS to > > time > > > > events. So there is no contradition. > > > > > > > > MANU: LET US SAY WE STUDY A CHART AND WE CONCLUDE THAT > HAPPINESS > > IS > > > > NOT THERE FOR HOUSE B. AND LET US SAY THAT IN THAT CHART LORD D > > GET > > > > HIGH POINTS DUE TO THOSE 5 POINTS EVEN THOUGH IT IS MALEFIC IN > > > > NATURE, THEN WE SHALL MAKE AN ERROR IF WE DO NOT SELECT THAT > > > MALEFIC > > > > LORD D SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS THE STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR (DUE TO > > > THOSE > > > > 5 POINTS). > > > > > > > > LoD and LoE are eager to give results. If their antras come > then > > > > they will try to give the result on the double such is their > > > > eagerness. Now say if divorce is there for that one has to > marry > > > > right ... so there is no contradition. > > > > > > > > MANU: WOULDN'T A SIMILAR ERROR OCCUR? IF DIVORCE IS THERE THEN > WE > > > > SHALL CONCLUDE THAT THE RESULTS IS NOT FAVOURABLE FOR HOUSE B. > WE > > > > SHALL NOT SELECT LORD D OR E ANTRA JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE > GETTING > > > MORE > > > > POINTS. > > > > > > > > Now if LoD and LoE are SD to 6th lord then they will be spoilt. > > So > > > > it means that they will try to give result (as LoD or LoE) at > the > > > > same time it will not give pure happiness (SD to 6th lord). > > > > > > > > MANU: DO THEY ALSO GET SPOILT IF THEY HAVE 0 POINTS IN THEIR > > > > ASHTAKAVARGAS? > > > > > > > > Say 9th lord or lagna lords antra is running so its eager to > give > > > > result for 4th house. Now assume lagna lord or 9th lord > conjoins > > > 6th > > > > lord. So its SD to 6th lord. So it will be eager to say give u > > say > > > > a house or a car. Lets assume one buys a car. So it fulfills > the > > > > part of furnishing some house or car or some fixed asset now > the > > > 2nd > > > > part as being SD to 6th lord means the car might have some > > problems > > > > or the house that u got might havfe some legal issues .. in > short > > > > some problem or the other will crop up ... and in short not > pure > > > > happiness. > > > > > > > > I hope its clear now. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manu Batura wrote: > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > > > > > > > I have a basic question. Please do not mind. > > > > > > > > > > Can LoD or LoE, if they are not samdharmi to 6th lord and are > > not > > > > > lord of 12th from B, ever have malefic > > > > > effect on House B. What if they have less than 4 points (say > 0 > > > > > points). > > > > > > > > > > Currently, in the WS, if the planet is lord of D or lord of > E, > > we > > > > > always add 5 points to the planet. > > > > > We also say that a planet that have more than 12 points is > > > > favourable > > > > > (subject to other conditions too). > > > > > > > > > > Now these 5 points can make a planet the strongest > significator > > > too > > > > > in some cases. > > > > > > > > > > Given that we say the favourable events happen in the > strongest > > > > > significator and unfavourable events > > > > > happen in weakest or lord of 6th antra, this seems to be > > > > > contradictory. > > > > > > > > > > If the argument is that we add 5 points because LoD and LoE > are > > > > > always eager to give results and that > > > > > timing and quanta of results are two different things, then > too > > > it > > > > > seems invalid. > > > > > > > > > > While using the WS, we always say that if a planet is LoD or > > LoE, > > > > no > > > > > matter how many points > > > > > if gets, it is always eager to give results. Then we have to > > > judge > > > > > based on the general makeup of the chart > > > > > if the event really can happen in that antra. > > > > > > > > > > Then what is the reason to add those 5 points? Also why only > 5, > > > why > > > > > not 4, why not 6? > > > > > > > > > > I understand that it might be a law in KAS, but is there any > > > > > reasoning behind it? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Manu, All that is covered in the lessons. Please go through the lessons again. Thank you. Cheers !!! AshManu Batura <manubatura wrote: Dear Ash,When you refer to words "benefic" or "malefic", what do you actually mean.I understand them as follows:"Benefic" means having good quality."Malefic" means having bad quality.When you refer to these words are you using the following definitions?:"Benefic" means eager to give results."Malefic" means not so eager.Thanks & Regards,Manu New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Ash, I have read the lessons a couple of times already, that is why I seek your help. Thanks & Regards, Manu , Ash Sam <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manu, > All that is covered in the lessons. > Please go through the lessons again. > Thank you. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > When you refer to words " benefic " or " malefic " , what do you actually > mean. > > I understand them as follows: > > " Benefic " means having good quality. > " Malefic " means having bad quality. > > When you refer to these words are you using the following > definitions?: > > " Benefic " means eager to give results. > " Malefic " means not so eager. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Manu, Ok, here it goes... When a planet is with more bindus it is benefic for the house it is placed in. Now if that house is House D or E then it also becomes eager to give results. This is for TIMING OF RESULT. Again think of it as a Noble or a nice Tenant. So a Benefic. A planet with less points in a house is Malefic for the house it is placed in HOWEVER its aspect will be BENEFIC. Now this is the basic... After you cast the SAV for a chart which is based on the placment of planet w.r.t. each other and lagna from that you can see the strength that each planet receives in the house it is placed. For planets that have more than 4 bindus are benefic for the place they are situated in but their dristi is malefic. Again this part is given in detail in lesson. From SAV then we start to find the strenght of planet. Now for this we need to consider a lot more factors. First get the Basic strengths, then find mutual coworkers or 4:10 (as per the laws given in lesson), get the aspects on planets, special cases where planets are LoD or LoE and planets in house D and E with more bindus also have to be considered. We also have to make adjustment for aspects of 6th lord and 12th from B. So after considering all this we get Row 17 for each planet for each house. This is their final strength. Now when a planet is LoD or LoE are special. House D and E are special. They are upchayas from both Karak house A and Phal sthan of House B. These houses work through their lords and they are Eager to give result for both A and B being lord of upchayas for Both. Upchaya means growth, heap prosperity. Think over this point. Now these lords are eager beavers and as soon as they get power meaning their antras come they want to deliver on the double. There is nothing malefic or benefic about it. Now keep the same analogy for timing of purchase of venicle and say antra of 9th lord came (LoE) and say 9th lord is in navamsa of 3rd lord (so SD to 12th from B) then what happens ????? Here 2 things. First 9th lord is LoE to 4th house, Second part is that its SD to 12th from B. Now you put this together. So now here the Question is ... When will the jatak purchase a car ? So as LoE it will be eager to give TIMING .. meaning it will give a Car... the 2nd part is SD to 12th from B so the car that is purchases might have some problem or the other.. maybe he takes it off the parking lot.. and the tire gets a puncture or its some how tainted with some problems or the other. This part is due to it being SD to 12th from B or 3rd lord. So here LoE might not have been the highest significator but its still LoE and it bears a special status. Same with LoD and same with planets in House D or E with high bindus. They are eager to give results. Same way, if LoD or LoE and LoA are SD to 6th lord then marriage is spoilt. Yes if no laws of non marritial status apply then person may marry when LoE or LoD's antra comes into play but it will be not be smooth. So here TIMING OF MARRIAGE it will give.... I hope its clear now... Cheers !!! Ash , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > I have read the lessons a couple of times already, that is why I seek > your help. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > > > , Ash Sam > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Manu, > > All that is covered in the lessons. > > Please go through the lessons again. > > Thank you. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > When you refer to words " benefic " or " malefic " , what do you > actually > > mean. > > > > I understand them as follows: > > > > " Benefic " means having good quality. > > " Malefic " means having bad quality. > > > > When you refer to these words are you using the following > > definitions?: > > > > " Benefic " means eager to give results. > > " Malefic " means not so eager. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Ash, Thanks for the detailed explanation. You gave me much more than I expected. Thanks. Let me try to summarise what you said: We add 5 points for LoD or LoE because the strength does increase. The event shall happen. (Like buying a car). But if it has influence of Lord of 6th then there shall be less happiness out of it. Let us not try to classify it as benefic or malefic. It is benefic in the sense that, yes, it gave us the car. And it is malefic in the sense that even after having a car, there is no happiness out of it. I hope I have understood it now. Kindly let me know if I am still lacking in understanding. Don't worry, I shall not ask you to explain again. Thank you so much. Thanks & Regards, Manu , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manu, > > Ok, here it goes... > > When a planet is with more bindus it is benefic for the house it is > placed in. Now if that house is House D or E then it also becomes > eager to give results. This is for TIMING OF RESULT. Again think of > it as a Noble or a nice Tenant. So a Benefic. > > A planet with less points in a house is Malefic for the house it is > placed in HOWEVER its aspect will be BENEFIC. > > Now this is the basic... > > After you cast the SAV for a chart which is based on the placment of > planet w.r.t. each other and lagna from that you can see the strength > that each planet receives in the house it is placed. > > For planets that have more than 4 bindus are benefic for the place > they are situated in but their dristi is malefic. Again this part is > given in detail in lesson. > > From SAV then we start to find the strenght of planet. Now for this > we need to consider a lot more factors. First get the Basic > strengths, then find mutual coworkers or 4:10 (as per the laws given > in lesson), get the aspects on planets, special cases where planets > are LoD or LoE and planets in house D and E with more bindus also > have to be considered. We also have to make adjustment for aspects > of 6th lord and 12th from B. > > So after considering all this we get Row 17 for each planet for each > house. This is their final strength. > > Now when a planet is LoD or LoE are special. House D and E are > special. They are upchayas from both Karak house A and Phal sthan of > House B. These houses work through their lords and they are Eager to > give result for both A and B being lord of upchayas for Both. > > Upchaya means growth, heap prosperity. > > Think over this point. > > Now these lords are eager beavers and as soon as they get power > meaning their antras come they want to deliver on the double. There > is nothing malefic or benefic about it. > > Now keep the same analogy for timing of purchase of venicle and say > antra of 9th lord came (LoE) and say 9th lord is in navamsa of 3rd > lord (so SD to 12th from B) then what happens ????? > > Here 2 things. First 9th lord is LoE to 4th house, Second part is > that its SD to 12th from B. > > Now you put this together. > > So now here the Question is ... When will the jatak purchase a car ? > > So as LoE it will be eager to give TIMING .. meaning it will give a > Car... the 2nd part is SD to 12th from B so the car that is > purchases might have some problem or the other.. maybe he takes it > off the parking lot.. and the tire gets a puncture or its some how > tainted with some problems or the other. This part is due to it > being SD to 12th from B or 3rd lord. > > So here LoE might not have been the highest significator but its > still LoE and it bears a special status. Same with LoD and same > with planets in House D or E with high bindus. They are eager to > give results. > > Same way, if LoD or LoE and LoA are SD to 6th lord then marriage is > spoilt. Yes if no laws of non marritial status apply then person may > marry when LoE or LoD's antra comes into play but it will be not be > smooth. So here TIMING OF MARRIAGE it will give.... > > I hope its clear now... > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > , " Manu Batura " > <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > I have read the lessons a couple of times already, that is why I > seek > > your help. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > > > > > , Ash Sam > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Manu, > > > All that is covered in the lessons. > > > Please go through the lessons again. > > > Thank you. > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > When you refer to words " benefic " or " malefic " , what do you > > actually > > > mean. > > > > > > I understand them as follows: > > > > > > " Benefic " means having good quality. > > > " Malefic " means having bad quality. > > > > > > When you refer to these words are you using the following > > > definitions?: > > > > > > " Benefic " means eager to give results. > > > " Malefic " means not so eager. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! 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Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Manu, Lol.. i know you will.. no worries.. its just that I have a huge presentation tomorrow and I was fighting to find time to write a detailed post... and at the same time prepare for it. Why we add 5 points to LoD or LoE .. i.e. subject to condition if LoD or LoE is not in own hosue with more points then we add those more points.. is to distinguish from other planets. Adding 4 points means it can go either way but adding 5 makes it more positive. LoD or LoE even if they have less points are eager to give results. The addition of extra points is to distinguish it from other planets. Suppose LoD or LoE gets 8 points in WS due to say malefic aspect of some planet then when we add the +5 points it will become 13 so it gives a clear picture so that is to compensate for such things. So its to show relatively or relative power. So many times people ask and I may also have been guilty of this is to ask LoD or LoE sometiems have less than 12 points in WS and it may be due to malefic aspect of planet but LoD and LoE are always eager to give results irrespective of the points they get in WS. Also in addition to this one more thing we do which you have not brought up. If LoD or LoE has 4 bindus and there is another planet in 4th from it with more points then it can still give power to LoD or LoE. Otherwise planet in 10th must have less than 4 bindus. So this is again special treatment thats given only to LoD or LoE. Also keep this scenario in mind. So all these things are to show the difference for LoD and LoE and then from WS we can easily judge. Cheers !!! Ash , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Thanks for the detailed explanation. You gave me much more than I > expected. Thanks. > Let me try to summarise what you said: > > We add 5 points for LoD or LoE because the strength does increase. > The event shall happen. (Like buying a car). > But if it has influence of Lord of 6th then there shall be less > happiness out of it. > > Let us not try to classify it as benefic or malefic. It is benefic in > the sense that, yes, it gave us the car. > And it is malefic in the sense that even after having a car, there is > no happiness out of it. > > I hope I have understood it now. Kindly let me know if I am still > lacking in understanding. > Don't worry, I shall not ask you to explain again. > Thank you so much. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Manu, > > > > Ok, here it goes... > > > > When a planet is with more bindus it is benefic for the house it is > > placed in. Now if that house is House D or E then it also becomes > > eager to give results. This is for TIMING OF RESULT. Again think > of > > it as a Noble or a nice Tenant. So a Benefic. > > > > A planet with less points in a house is Malefic for the house it is > > placed in HOWEVER its aspect will be BENEFIC. > > > > Now this is the basic... > > > > After you cast the SAV for a chart which is based on the placment > of > > planet w.r.t. each other and lagna from that you can see the > strength > > that each planet receives in the house it is placed. > > > > For planets that have more than 4 bindus are benefic for the place > > they are situated in but their dristi is malefic. Again this part > is > > given in detail in lesson. > > > > From SAV then we start to find the strenght of planet. Now for > this > > we need to consider a lot more factors. First get the Basic > > strengths, then find mutual coworkers or 4:10 (as per the laws > given > > in lesson), get the aspects on planets, special cases where planets > > are LoD or LoE and planets in house D and E with more bindus also > > have to be considered. We also have to make adjustment for aspects > > of 6th lord and 12th from B. > > > > So after considering all this we get Row 17 for each planet for > each > > house. This is their final strength. > > > > Now when a planet is LoD or LoE are special. House D and E are > > special. They are upchayas from both Karak house A and Phal sthan > of > > House B. These houses work through their lords and they are Eager > to > > give result for both A and B being lord of upchayas for Both. > > > > Upchaya means growth, heap prosperity. > > > > Think over this point. > > > > Now these lords are eager beavers and as soon as they get power > > meaning their antras come they want to deliver on the double. > There > > is nothing malefic or benefic about it. > > > > Now keep the same analogy for timing of purchase of venicle and say > > antra of 9th lord came (LoE) and say 9th lord is in navamsa of 3rd > > lord (so SD to 12th from B) then what happens ????? > > > > Here 2 things. First 9th lord is LoE to 4th house, Second part is > > that its SD to 12th from B. > > > > Now you put this together. > > > > So now here the Question is ... When will the jatak purchase a car ? > > > > So as LoE it will be eager to give TIMING .. meaning it will give a > > Car... the 2nd part is SD to 12th from B so the car that is > > purchases might have some problem or the other.. maybe he takes it > > off the parking lot.. and the tire gets a puncture or its some how > > tainted with some problems or the other. This part is due to it > > being SD to 12th from B or 3rd lord. > > > > So here LoE might not have been the highest significator but its > > still LoE and it bears a special status. Same with LoD and same > > with planets in House D or E with high bindus. They are eager to > > give results. > > > > Same way, if LoD or LoE and LoA are SD to 6th lord then marriage is > > spoilt. Yes if no laws of non marritial status apply then person > may > > marry when LoE or LoD's antra comes into play but it will be not be > > smooth. So here TIMING OF MARRIAGE it will give.... > > > > I hope its clear now... > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > , " Manu Batura " > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > I have read the lessons a couple of times already, that is why I > > seek > > > your help. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ash Sam > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > All that is covered in the lessons. > > > > Please go through the lessons again. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > When you refer to words " benefic " or " malefic " , what do you > > > actually > > > > mean. > > > > > > > > I understand them as follows: > > > > > > > > " Benefic " means having good quality. > > > > " Malefic " means having bad quality. > > > > > > > > When you refer to these words are you using the following > > > > definitions?: > > > > > > > > " Benefic " means eager to give results. > > > > " Malefic " means not so eager. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! 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