Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Krushnaji, Ash, Here is my attempt of the chart: Let us see the general makeup of the chart first: Ascendant is in scorpio. Lord of ascendant is Ma placed in 11th. Ma if also the lord of 6th. We can anticipate some problems with respect to 11th house. Asc points are 30 and the points for 7th are also 30. We also see that the points for 3rd house as B are in rising order. He may get unconditional support from his siblings. He should be courageous too. Next, lord of asc, ma and lord of 7th from asc, ve, are in 3:11. Lord of su is me and lord of 7th from su is ju. They are in 2:12. Lord of mo is su and lord of 7th from mo is sa, they are in 4:10. Lord of asc, ma and lord of 9th, mo are in 2:12, so the native does not have blessings of father or guru. Venus is positioned in 9th with benefic jupiter. Ve is also benefic to 9th house. Difference between Venus and Sun is 45 degrees. It does not have any aspect of saturn. Venus is located in pushyami. It does not have any aspect of malefic 6th lord mars. However, ve is in navamsa of mars and hence samdharmi to 6th lord. Ve is spoilt. Hence, the karak for marriage, 12th house matters and children is under influence of 6th lord (NK and FK). Asc and moon fall under navamsa of me. Sun falls under drekhana of me. He should have good knowledge of world affairs. Ve is in trine in rasi chart. Ve Su difference is also more than 43 and Ve is conjunct Jupiter in the chart. Marriages might have been love marriages. Asc also being scorpio and mars having good strength in the chart, this also indicates love marriage. The following information is given: ---------------------------- 1st marriage date: April 27, 1995 1st divorce date: May 12, 1999 (separated April 15, 1998) 2nd marriage date: December 2, 1999 2nd divorce date: April 2, 2002 (separated Oct. 26, 2001) 3rd marriage date: April 30, 2002 3rd marriage separation date: February 24, 2003. ---------------------------- Firstly of all we see that Saturn aspect A, B and C. Hence, there is full delay will the point ve antra starts. 1a. First marriage ----------------- Dasha was mo/ve. 2nd sector. Venus has good strength points and is LoE. Hence it can give the result. It is also the first antra that comes after full delay. Jupiter aspects Sa and hence, causes the marriage to happen in 2nd sector. Note that Ve is in 4th place from 6th lord Ma in navamsa. This is also not healthy for a married life. 1b. First separation -------------------- Dasha was ma/ju. 1st sector. After mo/ve was su antra which is also SD to L6. then ma antra which aspects house A and cannot give results. Then ra antra which is SD to Ma and Ve. Then comes Jupiter. Jupiter has 15 strength points and is not SD to L6. The strong Ju caused the separation to occur. The marriage was not good for the native. 2a. Second marriage ------------------- Dasha was ma/sa 3rd sector Saturn is LoD with 54 points. It is not L6 nor SD to it. It has no bad influences. Hence, this marriage was much better than worse. I think the native might be very upset that his second marriage led to divorce. He was happy with this marriage. 2b. Second separation --------------------- Dasha was ma/ve 1st sector. Since, Ve is spoilt being samdharmi to Lord of 6th, it caused a break a marriage. The first unhappy marriage was caused by Ve. And the second happy marriage was terminated by Ve. The native should have been very upset about this. 3a. Third marriage ------------------ Dasha ma/ve 2nd sector. Although we might not be able to predict this marriage were it a blind chart analysis, but Ve can cause another unhappy marriage (we have seen that in 1a already). This marriage shall also lead to divorce. 3b. Third separation -------------------- Dasha ma/su 3rd sector. Now, Su is the lowest significator for marriage and SD to Lord of 6th. Why would Su give a separation? I could not understand this point. Krushnaji, Ash, can you kindly help me understand this point. Thanks & Regards, Manu , Ash Sam <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manu, > > LoD and LoE do not give malefic results. They always do well. We add 5 points to LoD and LoE in WS. > > Now say if a marriage was done in lowest signfiicator it means that LoD or LoE will clean up the act and do good. > > Yes when you add 5 points BEACUSE THEY ARE EAGER meaning it has more power to deliver the results. > > Now even if points are less as per WS for LoD and LoE it will still try to give results but quality of such an event might not be satisfactory. > > LoD and LoE do not act based on points in the WS but due to lordship. That is why it does not matter for timing of results we use lordship of LoD and LoE so we can say that they are EAGER to give results. > > Now if points are good then happiness from it is also good. > > That is why we say good results happen in strongest significator. > > Say happy marriage is indicated in a chart then strongest significator or LoD or LoE will come forward to give the result. If the strongest significator is not LoD or LoE and it say aspects house A or B or C then its SD will come forward. > > I am finding it hard to explain. I think if we solve some charts based on these phenemons then it will become clear. > > In a chart so many things have to be taken into consideration before going into timing. > > I had given a chart on the list which I had taken permission but no one attempted > Birth details: June 14, 1967, 5.30 pm, Bombay, India. I have not rectified the time but it seems to be in the ball park. > > Please closely study this chart for the antras of marriage and divorse. > > 1st marriage date: April 27, 1995 > 1st divorce date: May 12, 1999 (separated April 15, 1998) > > 2nd marriage date: December 2, 1999 > 2nd divorce date: April 2, 2002 (separated Oct. 26, 2001) > > 3rd marriage date: April 30, 2002 > 3rd marriage separation date: February 24, 2003. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > > Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > I still have some doubts. > Please see my comments below. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > > Dear Manu, > > Because LoD and LoE are eager to give results we are adding > additional 5 points. > Similarly if u study the WS if say a planet is in House D or E with > say > 5 points then we ADD those points to the WS too. > > Now these planets also become eager to give results as they are > tennants in House D or E with > 5 bindus. > So we add their points in the WS. > > MANU: IF A PLANET IS PLACED IN HOUSE D OR E WITH > 4 POINTS AND 5 > POINTS ARE ADDED, THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE, SINCE THE PLANET IS > BENEFIC. IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE FOR LORD OF D OR E. I UNDERSTAND WHAT > YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY THAT THEY ARE EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS. BUT THOSE > 5 POINTS SHALL CAUSE THE PLANET TO HAVE ADDITIONAL STRENGTH WHICH IS > NOT APPROPRIATE IF THE PLANET IS MALEFIC SINCE STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR > IS USED FOR FAVOURABLE PLANETS. > > Also in the WS the total points are considering by considering their > BASIC strength first and then you consider 4:10 and then you ADD 5 > points to LoD and LoE and Planets in House D and E with > 4 bindus > too. > > Then after that you conider the strenght gained or deducted due to > Aspect on House A,B or C. > > MANU: I UNDERSTAND THIS. > > So like that you consider total strength in WS. That gives the > strength of planet. > > From the WS we can time the events. > > If we solve more charts we will get a better idea. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > Manu Batura wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thank you for the explanation. > > > > Please see my comments below. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > LoD and LoE are always eager to give results irrespective of the > > number of points it gets in the WS. > > My understanding was that to distinguish it from other planets we > add > > 5 points as they are eager and yes in quite a few cases it would > make > > it strongest significator. > > > > MANU: IF THEY ARE ALWAYS EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS (BENEFIC OR > MALEFIC), > > THEN WE DO NOT NEED TO DISTINGUISH THEM BY ADDING 5 POINTS. BY > ADDING > > 5 POINTS WE ARE GIVING THEM BENEFIC CHARACTER (SINCE FAVOURABLE > > EVENTS HAPPEN IN STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR). > > > > First you should study the chart and then see if any happiness is > > there from the event and then at the last stage use the WS to time > > events. So there is no contradition. > > > > MANU: LET US SAY WE STUDY A CHART AND WE CONCLUDE THAT HAPPINESS IS > > NOT THERE FOR HOUSE B. AND LET US SAY THAT IN THAT CHART LORD D GET > > HIGH POINTS DUE TO THOSE 5 POINTS EVEN THOUGH IT IS MALEFIC IN > > NATURE, THEN WE SHALL MAKE AN ERROR IF WE DO NOT SELECT THAT > MALEFIC > > LORD D SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS THE STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR (DUE TO > THOSE > > 5 POINTS). > > > > LoD and LoE are eager to give results. If their antras come then > > they will try to give the result on the double such is their > > eagerness. Now say if divorce is there for that one has to marry > > right ... so there is no contradition. > > > > MANU: WOULDN'T A SIMILAR ERROR OCCUR? IF DIVORCE IS THERE THEN WE > > SHALL CONCLUDE THAT THE RESULTS IS NOT FAVOURABLE FOR HOUSE B. WE > > SHALL NOT SELECT LORD D OR E ANTRA JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING > MORE > > POINTS. > > > > Now if LoD and LoE are SD to 6th lord then they will be spoilt. So > > it means that they will try to give result (as LoD or LoE) at the > > same time it will not give pure happiness (SD to 6th lord). > > > > MANU: DO THEY ALSO GET SPOILT IF THEY HAVE 0 POINTS IN THEIR > > ASHTAKAVARGAS? > > > > Say 9th lord or lagna lords antra is running so its eager to give > > result for 4th house. Now assume lagna lord or 9th lord conjoins > 6th > > lord. So its SD to 6th lord. So it will be eager to say give u say > > a house or a car. Lets assume one buys a car. So it fulfills the > > part of furnishing some house or car or some fixed asset now the > 2nd > > part as being SD to 6th lord means the car might have some problems > > or the house that u got might havfe some legal issues .. in short > > some problem or the other will crop up ... and in short not pure > > happiness. > > > > I hope its clear now. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > Manu Batura wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > > > I have a basic question. Please do not mind. > > > > > > Can LoD or LoE, if they are not samdharmi to 6th lord and are not > > > lord of 12th from B, ever have malefic > > > effect on House B. What if they have less than 4 points (say 0 > > > points). > > > > > > Currently, in the WS, if the planet is lord of D or lord of E, we > > > always add 5 points to the planet. > > > We also say that a planet that have more than 12 points is > > favourable > > > (subject to other conditions too). > > > > > > Now these 5 points can make a planet the strongest significator > too > > > in some cases. > > > > > > Given that we say the favourable events happen in the strongest > > > significator and unfavourable events > > > happen in weakest or lord of 6th antra, this seems to be > > > contradictory. > > > > > > If the argument is that we add 5 points because LoD and LoE are > > > always eager to give results and that > > > timing and quanta of results are two different things, then too > it > > > seems invalid. > > > > > > While using the WS, we always say that if a planet is LoD or LoE, > > no > > > matter how many points > > > if gets, it is always eager to give results. Then we have to > judge > > > based on the general makeup of the chart > > > if the event really can happen in that antra. > > > > > > Then what is the reason to add those 5 points? Also why only 5, > why > > > not 4, why not 6? > > > > > > I understand that it might be a law in KAS, but is there any > > > reasoning behind it? > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Manu, Where is Guru in navamsa ? The first seperation should have happened in Rahu antra. Rahu is SD to Mars who is 6th lord. Guru is also 2nd lord and Sun is also SD to 2nd lord.. so problems might have come here during sun antra with a lot of stress and seperation might have happened in moon antra with 10 points. Current running antra is Rahu... again SD to Mars. So here Marriages happening in LoD and LoE and seperation in 6th lords or its SD or in low points. Other points you have convered nicely. Cheers !!! Ash , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > Here is my attempt of the chart: > > Let us see the general makeup of the chart first: > > Ascendant is in scorpio. Lord of ascendant is Ma placed in 11th. > Ma if also the lord of 6th. > > We can anticipate some problems with respect to 11th house. > > Asc points are 30 and the points for 7th are also 30. > > We also see that the points for 3rd house as B are > in rising order. He may get unconditional support from his siblings. > He should be courageous too. > > Next, lord of asc, ma and lord of 7th from asc, ve, are in 3:11. > Lord of su is me and lord of 7th from su is ju. They are in 2:12. > Lord of mo is su and lord of 7th from mo is sa, they are in 4:10. > > Lord of asc, ma and lord of 9th, mo are in 2:12, so the native does > not have blessings of father or guru. > > Venus is positioned in 9th with benefic jupiter. Ve is also benefic > to 9th house. > Difference between Venus and Sun is 45 degrees. It does not have any > aspect of saturn. > Venus is located in pushyami. > It does not have any aspect of malefic 6th lord mars. However, ve is > in navamsa of mars and hence > samdharmi to 6th lord. Ve is spoilt. > > Hence, the karak for marriage, 12th house matters and children is > under influence of 6th lord (NK and FK). > > Asc and moon fall under navamsa of me. Sun falls under drekhana of > me. He should have good knowledge of > world affairs. > > Ve is in trine in rasi chart. Ve Su difference is also more than 43 > and Ve is conjunct Jupiter in the chart. > Marriages might have been love marriages. > Asc also being scorpio and mars having good strength in the chart, > this also indicates love marriage. > > > The following information is given: > ---------------------------- > 1st marriage date: April 27, 1995 > 1st divorce date: May 12, 1999 (separated April 15, 1998) > > 2nd marriage date: December 2, 1999 > 2nd divorce date: April 2, 2002 (separated Oct. 26, 2001) > > 3rd marriage date: April 30, 2002 > 3rd marriage separation date: February 24, 2003. > ---------------------------- > > Firstly of all we see that Saturn aspect A, B and C. Hence, there is > full delay will the point ve antra > starts. > > > 1a. First marriage > ----------------- > > Dasha was mo/ve. 2nd sector. > > Venus has good strength points and is LoE. Hence it can give the > result. It is also the first antra that > comes after full delay. Jupiter aspects Sa and hence, causes the > marriage to happen in 2nd sector. > Note that Ve is in 4th place from 6th lord Ma in navamsa. This is > also not healthy for a married life. > > 1b. First separation > -------------------- > > Dasha was ma/ju. 1st sector. > > After mo/ve was su antra which is also SD to L6. then ma antra which > aspects house A and cannot give results. > Then ra antra which is SD to Ma and Ve. Then comes Jupiter. Jupiter > has 15 strength points and is not SD to L6. > > The strong Ju caused the separation to occur. The marriage was not > good for the native. > > 2a. Second marriage > ------------------- > > Dasha was ma/sa 3rd sector > > Saturn is LoD with 54 points. It is not L6 nor SD to it. It has no > bad influences. Hence, this marriage > was much better than worse. I think the native might be very upset > that his second marriage led to divorce. > He was happy with this marriage. > > > 2b. Second separation > --------------------- > > Dasha was ma/ve 1st sector. > > Since, Ve is spoilt being samdharmi to Lord of 6th, it caused a break > a marriage. The first unhappy marriage was > caused by Ve. And the second happy marriage was terminated by Ve. The > native should have been very upset about this. > > 3a. Third marriage > ------------------ > > Dasha ma/ve 2nd sector. > > Although we might not be able to predict this marriage were it a > blind chart analysis, but Ve can cause > another unhappy marriage (we have seen that in 1a already). This > marriage shall also lead to divorce. > > 3b. Third separation > -------------------- > > Dasha ma/su 3rd sector. > > Now, Su is the lowest significator for marriage and SD to Lord of > 6th. Why would Su give a separation? > I could not understand this point. > > > Krushnaji, Ash, can you kindly help me understand this point. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > , Ash Sam > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Manu, > > > > LoD and LoE do not give malefic results. They always do well. We > add 5 points to LoD and LoE in WS. > > > > Now say if a marriage was done in lowest signfiicator it means that > LoD or LoE will clean up the act and do good. > > > > Yes when you add 5 points BEACUSE THEY ARE EAGER meaning it has > more power to deliver the results. > > > > Now even if points are less as per WS for LoD and LoE it will still > try to give results but quality of such an event might not be > satisfactory. > > > > LoD and LoE do not act based on points in the WS but due to > lordship. That is why it does not matter for timing of results we > use lordship of LoD and LoE so we can say that they are EAGER to give > results. > > > > Now if points are good then happiness from it is also good. > > > > That is why we say good results happen in strongest significator. > > > > Say happy marriage is indicated in a chart then strongest > significator or LoD or LoE will come forward to give the result. If > the strongest significator is not LoD or LoE and it say aspects house > A or B or C then its SD will come forward. > > > > I am finding it hard to explain. I think if we solve some charts > based on these phenemons then it will become clear. > > > > In a chart so many things have to be taken into consideration > before going into timing. > > > > I had given a chart on the list which I had taken permission but no > one attempted > > Birth details: June 14, 1967, 5.30 pm, Bombay, India. I have not > rectified the time but it seems to be in the ball park. > > > > Please closely study this chart for the antras of marriage and > divorse. > > > > 1st marriage date: April 27, 1995 > > 1st divorce date: May 12, 1999 (separated April 15, 1998) > > > > 2nd marriage date: December 2, 1999 > > 2nd divorce date: April 2, 2002 (separated Oct. 26, 2001) > > > > 3rd marriage date: April 30, 2002 > > 3rd marriage separation date: February 24, 2003. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > I still have some doubts. > > Please see my comments below. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > Because LoD and LoE are eager to give results we are adding > > additional 5 points. > > Similarly if u study the WS if say a planet is in House D or E with > > say > 5 points then we ADD those points to the WS too. > > > > Now these planets also become eager to give results as they are > > tennants in House D or E with > 5 bindus. > > So we add their points in the WS. > > > > MANU: IF A PLANET IS PLACED IN HOUSE D OR E WITH > 4 POINTS AND 5 > > POINTS ARE ADDED, THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE, SINCE THE PLANET IS > > BENEFIC. IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE FOR LORD OF D OR E. I UNDERSTAND > WHAT > > YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY THAT THEY ARE EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS. BUT > THOSE > > 5 POINTS SHALL CAUSE THE PLANET TO HAVE ADDITIONAL STRENGTH WHICH > IS > > NOT APPROPRIATE IF THE PLANET IS MALEFIC SINCE STRONGEST > SIGNIFICATOR > > IS USED FOR FAVOURABLE PLANETS. > > > > Also in the WS the total points are considering by considering > their > > BASIC strength first and then you consider 4:10 and then you ADD 5 > > points to LoD and LoE and Planets in House D and E with > 4 bindus > > too. > > > > Then after that you conider the strenght gained or deducted due to > > Aspect on House A,B or C. > > > > MANU: I UNDERSTAND THIS. > > > > So like that you consider total strength in WS. That gives the > > strength of planet. > > > > From the WS we can time the events. > > > > If we solve more charts we will get a better idea. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > Manu Batura wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Thank you for the explanation. > > > > > > Please see my comments below. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > LoD and LoE are always eager to give results irrespective of the > > > number of points it gets in the WS. > > > My understanding was that to distinguish it from other planets we > > add > > > 5 points as they are eager and yes in quite a few cases it would > > make > > > it strongest significator. > > > > > > MANU: IF THEY ARE ALWAYS EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS (BENEFIC OR > > MALEFIC), > > > THEN WE DO NOT NEED TO DISTINGUISH THEM BY ADDING 5 POINTS. BY > > ADDING > > > 5 POINTS WE ARE GIVING THEM BENEFIC CHARACTER (SINCE FAVOURABLE > > > EVENTS HAPPEN IN STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR). > > > > > > First you should study the chart and then see if any happiness is > > > there from the event and then at the last stage use the WS to > time > > > events. So there is no contradition. > > > > > > MANU: LET US SAY WE STUDY A CHART AND WE CONCLUDE THAT HAPPINESS > IS > > > NOT THERE FOR HOUSE B. AND LET US SAY THAT IN THAT CHART LORD D > GET > > > HIGH POINTS DUE TO THOSE 5 POINTS EVEN THOUGH IT IS MALEFIC IN > > > NATURE, THEN WE SHALL MAKE AN ERROR IF WE DO NOT SELECT THAT > > MALEFIC > > > LORD D SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS THE STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR (DUE TO > > THOSE > > > 5 POINTS). > > > > > > LoD and LoE are eager to give results. If their antras come then > > > they will try to give the result on the double such is their > > > eagerness. Now say if divorce is there for that one has to marry > > > right ... so there is no contradition. > > > > > > MANU: WOULDN'T A SIMILAR ERROR OCCUR? IF DIVORCE IS THERE THEN WE > > > SHALL CONCLUDE THAT THE RESULTS IS NOT FAVOURABLE FOR HOUSE B. WE > > > SHALL NOT SELECT LORD D OR E ANTRA JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING > > MORE > > > POINTS. > > > > > > Now if LoD and LoE are SD to 6th lord then they will be spoilt. > So > > > it means that they will try to give result (as LoD or LoE) at the > > > same time it will not give pure happiness (SD to 6th lord). > > > > > > MANU: DO THEY ALSO GET SPOILT IF THEY HAVE 0 POINTS IN THEIR > > > ASHTAKAVARGAS? > > > > > > Say 9th lord or lagna lords antra is running so its eager to give > > > result for 4th house. Now assume lagna lord or 9th lord conjoins > > 6th > > > lord. So its SD to 6th lord. So it will be eager to say give u > say > > > a house or a car. Lets assume one buys a car. So it fulfills the > > > part of furnishing some house or car or some fixed asset now the > > 2nd > > > part as being SD to 6th lord means the car might have some > problems > > > or the house that u got might havfe some legal issues .. in short > > > some problem or the other will crop up ... and in short not pure > > > happiness. > > > > > > I hope its clear now. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > Manu Batura wrote: > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > > > > > I have a basic question. Please do not mind. > > > > > > > > Can LoD or LoE, if they are not samdharmi to 6th lord and are > not > > > > lord of 12th from B, ever have malefic > > > > effect on House B. What if they have less than 4 points (say 0 > > > > points). > > > > > > > > Currently, in the WS, if the planet is lord of D or lord of E, > we > > > > always add 5 points to the planet. > > > > We also say that a planet that have more than 12 points is > > > favourable > > > > (subject to other conditions too). > > > > > > > > Now these 5 points can make a planet the strongest significator > > too > > > > in some cases. > > > > > > > > Given that we say the favourable events happen in the strongest > > > > significator and unfavourable events > > > > happen in weakest or lord of 6th antra, this seems to be > > > > contradictory. > > > > > > > > If the argument is that we add 5 points because LoD and LoE are > > > > always eager to give results and that > > > > timing and quanta of results are two different things, then too > > it > > > > seems invalid. > > > > > > > > While using the WS, we always say that if a planet is LoD or > LoE, > > > no > > > > matter how many points > > > > if gets, it is always eager to give results. Then we have to > > judge > > > > based on the general makeup of the chart > > > > if the event really can happen in that antra. > > > > > > > > Then what is the reason to add those 5 points? Also why only 5, > > why > > > > not 4, why not 6? > > > > > > > > I understand that it might be a law in KAS, but is there any > > > > reasoning behind it? > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Ash, Should we also consider navamsa for Jupiter in libra? Thanks & Regards, Manu , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manu, > > Where is Guru in navamsa ? > > The first seperation should have happened in Rahu antra. Rahu is SD > to Mars who is 6th lord. > > Guru is also 2nd lord and Sun is also SD to 2nd lord.. so problems > might have come here during sun antra with a lot of stress and > seperation might have happened in moon antra with 10 points. > > Current running antra is Rahu... again SD to Mars. > > So here Marriages happening in LoD and LoE and seperation in 6th > lords or its SD or in low points. > > Other points you have convered nicely. > > Cheers !!! > Ash , " Manu Batura " > <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > Here is my attempt of the chart: > > > > Let us see the general makeup of the chart first: > > > > Ascendant is in scorpio. Lord of ascendant is Ma placed in 11th. > > Ma if also the lord of 6th. > > > > We can anticipate some problems with respect to 11th house. > > > > Asc points are 30 and the points for 7th are also 30. > > > > We also see that the points for 3rd house as B are > > in rising order. He may get unconditional support from his > siblings. > > He should be courageous too. > > > > Next, lord of asc, ma and lord of 7th from asc, ve, are in 3:11. > > Lord of su is me and lord of 7th from su is ju. They are in 2:12. > > Lord of mo is su and lord of 7th from mo is sa, they are in 4:10. > > > > Lord of asc, ma and lord of 9th, mo are in 2:12, so the native does > > not have blessings of father or guru. > > > > Venus is positioned in 9th with benefic jupiter. Ve is also benefic > > to 9th house. > > Difference between Venus and Sun is 45 degrees. It does not have > any > > aspect of saturn. > > Venus is located in pushyami. > > It does not have any aspect of malefic 6th lord mars. However, ve > is > > in navamsa of mars and hence > > samdharmi to 6th lord. Ve is spoilt. > > > > Hence, the karak for marriage, 12th house matters and children is > > under influence of 6th lord (NK and FK). > > > > Asc and moon fall under navamsa of me. Sun falls under drekhana of > > me. He should have good knowledge of > > world affairs. > > > > Ve is in trine in rasi chart. Ve Su difference is also more than 43 > > and Ve is conjunct Jupiter in the chart. > > Marriages might have been love marriages. > > Asc also being scorpio and mars having good strength in the chart, > > this also indicates love marriage. > > > > > > The following information is given: > > ---------------------------- > > 1st marriage date: April 27, 1995 > > 1st divorce date: May 12, 1999 (separated April 15, 1998) > > > > 2nd marriage date: December 2, 1999 > > 2nd divorce date: April 2, 2002 (separated Oct. 26, 2001) > > > > 3rd marriage date: April 30, 2002 > > 3rd marriage separation date: February 24, 2003. > > ---------------------------- > > > > Firstly of all we see that Saturn aspect A, B and C. Hence, there > is > > full delay will the point ve antra > > starts. > > > > > > 1a. First marriage > > ----------------- > > > > Dasha was mo/ve. 2nd sector. > > > > Venus has good strength points and is LoE. Hence it can give the > > result. It is also the first antra that > > comes after full delay. Jupiter aspects Sa and hence, causes the > > marriage to happen in 2nd sector. > > Note that Ve is in 4th place from 6th lord Ma in navamsa. This is > > also not healthy for a married life. > > > > 1b. First separation > > -------------------- > > > > Dasha was ma/ju. 1st sector. > > > > After mo/ve was su antra which is also SD to L6. then ma antra > which > > aspects house A and cannot give results. > > Then ra antra which is SD to Ma and Ve. Then comes Jupiter. Jupiter > > has 15 strength points and is not SD to L6. > > > > The strong Ju caused the separation to occur. The marriage was not > > good for the native. > > > > 2a. Second marriage > > ------------------- > > > > Dasha was ma/sa 3rd sector > > > > Saturn is LoD with 54 points. It is not L6 nor SD to it. It has no > > bad influences. Hence, this marriage > > was much better than worse. I think the native might be very upset > > that his second marriage led to divorce. > > He was happy with this marriage. > > > > > > 2b. Second separation > > --------------------- > > > > Dasha was ma/ve 1st sector. > > > > Since, Ve is spoilt being samdharmi to Lord of 6th, it caused a > break > > a marriage. The first unhappy marriage was > > caused by Ve. And the second happy marriage was terminated by Ve. > The > > native should have been very upset about this. > > > > 3a. Third marriage > > ------------------ > > > > Dasha ma/ve 2nd sector. > > > > Although we might not be able to predict this marriage were it a > > blind chart analysis, but Ve can cause > > another unhappy marriage (we have seen that in 1a already). This > > marriage shall also lead to divorce. > > > > 3b. Third separation > > -------------------- > > > > Dasha ma/su 3rd sector. > > > > Now, Su is the lowest significator for marriage and SD to Lord of > > 6th. Why would Su give a separation? > > I could not understand this point. > > > > > > Krushnaji, Ash, can you kindly help me understand this point. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > , Ash Sam > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > LoD and LoE do not give malefic results. They always do well. > We > > add 5 points to LoD and LoE in WS. > > > > > > Now say if a marriage was done in lowest signfiicator it means > that > > LoD or LoE will clean up the act and do good. > > > > > > Yes when you add 5 points BEACUSE THEY ARE EAGER meaning it has > > more power to deliver the results. > > > > > > Now even if points are less as per WS for LoD and LoE it will > still > > try to give results but quality of such an event might not be > > satisfactory. > > > > > > LoD and LoE do not act based on points in the WS but due to > > lordship. That is why it does not matter for timing of results we > > use lordship of LoD and LoE so we can say that they are EAGER to > give > > results. > > > > > > Now if points are good then happiness from it is also good. > > > > > > That is why we say good results happen in strongest significator. > > > > > > Say happy marriage is indicated in a chart then strongest > > significator or LoD or LoE will come forward to give the result. > If > > the strongest significator is not LoD or LoE and it say aspects > house > > A or B or C then its SD will come forward. > > > > > > I am finding it hard to explain. I think if we solve some charts > > based on these phenemons then it will become clear. > > > > > > In a chart so many things have to be taken into consideration > > before going into timing. > > > > > > I had given a chart on the list which I had taken permission but > no > > one attempted > > > Birth details: June 14, 1967, 5.30 pm, Bombay, India. I have not > > rectified the time but it seems to be in the ball park. > > > > > > Please closely study this chart for the antras of marriage and > > divorse. > > > > > > 1st marriage date: April 27, 1995 > > > 1st divorce date: May 12, 1999 (separated April 15, 1998) > > > > > > 2nd marriage date: December 2, 1999 > > > 2nd divorce date: April 2, 2002 (separated Oct. 26, 2001) > > > > > > 3rd marriage date: April 30, 2002 > > > 3rd marriage separation date: February 24, 2003. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > > > I still have some doubts. > > > Please see my comments below. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > Because LoD and LoE are eager to give results we are adding > > > additional 5 points. > > > Similarly if u study the WS if say a planet is in House D or E > with > > > say > 5 points then we ADD those points to the WS too. > > > > > > Now these planets also become eager to give results as they are > > > tennants in House D or E with > 5 bindus. > > > So we add their points in the WS. > > > > > > MANU: IF A PLANET IS PLACED IN HOUSE D OR E WITH > 4 POINTS AND 5 > > > POINTS ARE ADDED, THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE, SINCE THE PLANET IS > > > BENEFIC. IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE FOR LORD OF D OR E. I UNDERSTAND > > WHAT > > > YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY THAT THEY ARE EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS. BUT > > THOSE > > > 5 POINTS SHALL CAUSE THE PLANET TO HAVE ADDITIONAL STRENGTH WHICH > > IS > > > NOT APPROPRIATE IF THE PLANET IS MALEFIC SINCE STRONGEST > > SIGNIFICATOR > > > IS USED FOR FAVOURABLE PLANETS. > > > > > > Also in the WS the total points are considering by considering > > their > > > BASIC strength first and then you consider 4:10 and then you ADD > 5 > > > points to LoD and LoE and Planets in House D and E with > 4 > bindus > > > too. > > > > > > Then after that you conider the strenght gained or deducted due > to > > > Aspect on House A,B or C. > > > > > > MANU: I UNDERSTAND THIS. > > > > > > So like that you consider total strength in WS. That gives the > > > strength of planet. > > > > > > From the WS we can time the events. > > > > > > If we solve more charts we will get a better idea. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > Manu Batura wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Thank you for the explanation. > > > > > > > > Please see my comments below. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > > > LoD and LoE are always eager to give results irrespective of > the > > > > number of points it gets in the WS. > > > > My understanding was that to distinguish it from other planets > we > > > add > > > > 5 points as they are eager and yes in quite a few cases it > would > > > make > > > > it strongest significator. > > > > > > > > MANU: IF THEY ARE ALWAYS EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS (BENEFIC OR > > > MALEFIC), > > > > THEN WE DO NOT NEED TO DISTINGUISH THEM BY ADDING 5 POINTS. BY > > > ADDING > > > > 5 POINTS WE ARE GIVING THEM BENEFIC CHARACTER (SINCE FAVOURABLE > > > > EVENTS HAPPEN IN STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR). > > > > > > > > First you should study the chart and then see if any happiness > is > > > > there from the event and then at the last stage use the WS to > > time > > > > events. So there is no contradition. > > > > > > > > MANU: LET US SAY WE STUDY A CHART AND WE CONCLUDE THAT > HAPPINESS > > IS > > > > NOT THERE FOR HOUSE B. AND LET US SAY THAT IN THAT CHART LORD D > > GET > > > > HIGH POINTS DUE TO THOSE 5 POINTS EVEN THOUGH IT IS MALEFIC IN > > > > NATURE, THEN WE SHALL MAKE AN ERROR IF WE DO NOT SELECT THAT > > > MALEFIC > > > > LORD D SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS THE STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR (DUE TO > > > THOSE > > > > 5 POINTS). > > > > > > > > LoD and LoE are eager to give results. If their antras come > then > > > > they will try to give the result on the double such is their > > > > eagerness. Now say if divorce is there for that one has to > marry > > > > right ... so there is no contradition. > > > > > > > > MANU: WOULDN'T A SIMILAR ERROR OCCUR? IF DIVORCE IS THERE THEN > WE > > > > SHALL CONCLUDE THAT THE RESULTS IS NOT FAVOURABLE FOR HOUSE B. > WE > > > > SHALL NOT SELECT LORD D OR E ANTRA JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE > GETTING > > > MORE > > > > POINTS. > > > > > > > > Now if LoD and LoE are SD to 6th lord then they will be spoilt. > > So > > > > it means that they will try to give result (as LoD or LoE) at > the > > > > same time it will not give pure happiness (SD to 6th lord). > > > > > > > > MANU: DO THEY ALSO GET SPOILT IF THEY HAVE 0 POINTS IN THEIR > > > > ASHTAKAVARGAS? > > > > > > > > Say 9th lord or lagna lords antra is running so its eager to > give > > > > result for 4th house. Now assume lagna lord or 9th lord > conjoins > > > 6th > > > > lord. So its SD to 6th lord. So it will be eager to say give u > > say > > > > a house or a car. Lets assume one buys a car. So it fulfills > the > > > > part of furnishing some house or car or some fixed asset now > the > > > 2nd > > > > part as being SD to 6th lord means the car might have some > > problems > > > > or the house that u got might havfe some legal issues .. in > short > > > > some problem or the other will crop up ... and in short not > pure > > > > happiness. > > > > > > > > I hope its clear now. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manu Batura wrote: > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > > > > > > > I have a basic question. Please do not mind. > > > > > > > > > > Can LoD or LoE, if they are not samdharmi to 6th lord and are > > not > > > > > lord of 12th from B, ever have malefic > > > > > effect on House B. What if they have less than 4 points (say > 0 > > > > > points). > > > > > > > > > > Currently, in the WS, if the planet is lord of D or lord of > E, > > we > > > > > always add 5 points to the planet. > > > > > We also say that a planet that have more than 12 points is > > > > favourable > > > > > (subject to other conditions too). > > > > > > > > > > Now these 5 points can make a planet the strongest > significator > > > too > > > > > in some cases. > > > > > > > > > > Given that we say the favourable events happen in the > strongest > > > > > significator and unfavourable events > > > > > happen in weakest or lord of 6th antra, this seems to be > > > > > contradictory. > > > > > > > > > > If the argument is that we add 5 points because LoD and LoE > are > > > > > always eager to give results and that > > > > > timing and quanta of results are two different things, then > too > > > it > > > > > seems invalid. > > > > > > > > > > While using the WS, we always say that if a planet is LoD or > > LoE, > > > > no > > > > > matter how many points > > > > > if gets, it is always eager to give results. Then we have to > > > judge > > > > > based on the general makeup of the chart > > > > > if the event really can happen in that antra. > > > > > > > > > > Then what is the reason to add those 5 points? Also why only > 5, > > > why > > > > > not 4, why not 6? > > > > > > > > > > I understand that it might be a law in KAS, but is there any > > > > > reasoning behind it? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Manu, Yes, even Guru in libra in Navamsa is spoilt. Cheers !!! Ash , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Should we also consider navamsa for Jupiter in libra? > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Ash, I have doubts about ra causing the first separation. The first marriage happened in Ve significator. It is samdharmi to Lord of 6th. Hence, marriage happened in weak significator. Hence, separation should happen in strong significator. Jupiter seems like a good candidate for this. Kindly let me know if I made a mistake. Thanks & Regards, Manu , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manu, > > Where is Guru in navamsa ? > > The first seperation should have happened in Rahu antra. Rahu is SD > to Mars who is 6th lord. > > Guru is also 2nd lord and Sun is also SD to 2nd lord.. so problems > might have come here during sun antra with a lot of stress and > seperation might have happened in moon antra with 10 points. > > Current running antra is Rahu... again SD to Mars. > > So here Marriages happening in LoD and LoE and seperation in 6th > lords or its SD or in low points. > > Other points you have convered nicely. > > Cheers !!! > Ash , " Manu Batura " > <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > Here is my attempt of the chart: > > > > Let us see the general makeup of the chart first: > > > > Ascendant is in scorpio. Lord of ascendant is Ma placed in 11th. > > Ma if also the lord of 6th. > > > > We can anticipate some problems with respect to 11th house. > > > > Asc points are 30 and the points for 7th are also 30. > > > > We also see that the points for 3rd house as B are > > in rising order. He may get unconditional support from his > siblings. > > He should be courageous too. > > > > Next, lord of asc, ma and lord of 7th from asc, ve, are in 3:11. > > Lord of su is me and lord of 7th from su is ju. They are in 2:12. > > Lord of mo is su and lord of 7th from mo is sa, they are in 4:10. > > > > Lord of asc, ma and lord of 9th, mo are in 2:12, so the native does > > not have blessings of father or guru. > > > > Venus is positioned in 9th with benefic jupiter. Ve is also benefic > > to 9th house. > > Difference between Venus and Sun is 45 degrees. It does not have > any > > aspect of saturn. > > Venus is located in pushyami. > > It does not have any aspect of malefic 6th lord mars. However, ve > is > > in navamsa of mars and hence > > samdharmi to 6th lord. Ve is spoilt. > > > > Hence, the karak for marriage, 12th house matters and children is > > under influence of 6th lord (NK and FK). > > > > Asc and moon fall under navamsa of me. Sun falls under drekhana of > > me. He should have good knowledge of > > world affairs. > > > > Ve is in trine in rasi chart. Ve Su difference is also more than 43 > > and Ve is conjunct Jupiter in the chart. > > Marriages might have been love marriages. > > Asc also being scorpio and mars having good strength in the chart, > > this also indicates love marriage. > > > > > > The following information is given: > > ---------------------------- > > 1st marriage date: April 27, 1995 > > 1st divorce date: May 12, 1999 (separated April 15, 1998) > > > > 2nd marriage date: December 2, 1999 > > 2nd divorce date: April 2, 2002 (separated Oct. 26, 2001) > > > > 3rd marriage date: April 30, 2002 > > 3rd marriage separation date: February 24, 2003. > > ---------------------------- > > > > Firstly of all we see that Saturn aspect A, B and C. Hence, there > is > > full delay will the point ve antra > > starts. > > > > > > 1a. First marriage > > ----------------- > > > > Dasha was mo/ve. 2nd sector. > > > > Venus has good strength points and is LoE. Hence it can give the > > result. It is also the first antra that > > comes after full delay. Jupiter aspects Sa and hence, causes the > > marriage to happen in 2nd sector. > > Note that Ve is in 4th place from 6th lord Ma in navamsa. This is > > also not healthy for a married life. > > > > 1b. First separation > > -------------------- > > > > Dasha was ma/ju. 1st sector. > > > > After mo/ve was su antra which is also SD to L6. then ma antra > which > > aspects house A and cannot give results. > > Then ra antra which is SD to Ma and Ve. Then comes Jupiter. Jupiter > > has 15 strength points and is not SD to L6. > > > > The strong Ju caused the separation to occur. The marriage was not > > good for the native. > > > > 2a. Second marriage > > ------------------- > > > > Dasha was ma/sa 3rd sector > > > > Saturn is LoD with 54 points. It is not L6 nor SD to it. It has no > > bad influences. Hence, this marriage > > was much better than worse. I think the native might be very upset > > that his second marriage led to divorce. > > He was happy with this marriage. > > > > > > 2b. Second separation > > --------------------- > > > > Dasha was ma/ve 1st sector. > > > > Since, Ve is spoilt being samdharmi to Lord of 6th, it caused a > break > > a marriage. The first unhappy marriage was > > caused by Ve. And the second happy marriage was terminated by Ve. > The > > native should have been very upset about this. > > > > 3a. Third marriage > > ------------------ > > > > Dasha ma/ve 2nd sector. > > > > Although we might not be able to predict this marriage were it a > > blind chart analysis, but Ve can cause > > another unhappy marriage (we have seen that in 1a already). This > > marriage shall also lead to divorce. > > > > 3b. Third separation > > -------------------- > > > > Dasha ma/su 3rd sector. > > > > Now, Su is the lowest significator for marriage and SD to Lord of > > 6th. Why would Su give a separation? > > I could not understand this point. > > > > > > Krushnaji, Ash, can you kindly help me understand this point. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > , Ash Sam > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > LoD and LoE do not give malefic results. They always do well. > We > > add 5 points to LoD and LoE in WS. > > > > > > Now say if a marriage was done in lowest signfiicator it means > that > > LoD or LoE will clean up the act and do good. > > > > > > Yes when you add 5 points BEACUSE THEY ARE EAGER meaning it has > > more power to deliver the results. > > > > > > Now even if points are less as per WS for LoD and LoE it will > still > > try to give results but quality of such an event might not be > > satisfactory. > > > > > > LoD and LoE do not act based on points in the WS but due to > > lordship. That is why it does not matter for timing of results we > > use lordship of LoD and LoE so we can say that they are EAGER to > give > > results. > > > > > > Now if points are good then happiness from it is also good. > > > > > > That is why we say good results happen in strongest significator. > > > > > > Say happy marriage is indicated in a chart then strongest > > significator or LoD or LoE will come forward to give the result. > If > > the strongest significator is not LoD or LoE and it say aspects > house > > A or B or C then its SD will come forward. > > > > > > I am finding it hard to explain. I think if we solve some charts > > based on these phenemons then it will become clear. > > > > > > In a chart so many things have to be taken into consideration > > before going into timing. > > > > > > I had given a chart on the list which I had taken permission but > no > > one attempted > > > Birth details: June 14, 1967, 5.30 pm, Bombay, India. I have not > > rectified the time but it seems to be in the ball park. > > > > > > Please closely study this chart for the antras of marriage and > > divorse. > > > > > > 1st marriage date: April 27, 1995 > > > 1st divorce date: May 12, 1999 (separated April 15, 1998) > > > > > > 2nd marriage date: December 2, 1999 > > > 2nd divorce date: April 2, 2002 (separated Oct. 26, 2001) > > > > > > 3rd marriage date: April 30, 2002 > > > 3rd marriage separation date: February 24, 2003. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manu Batura <manubatura> wrote: > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > > > I still have some doubts. > > > Please see my comments below. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > Because LoD and LoE are eager to give results we are adding > > > additional 5 points. > > > Similarly if u study the WS if say a planet is in House D or E > with > > > say > 5 points then we ADD those points to the WS too. > > > > > > Now these planets also become eager to give results as they are > > > tennants in House D or E with > 5 bindus. > > > So we add their points in the WS. > > > > > > MANU: IF A PLANET IS PLACED IN HOUSE D OR E WITH > 4 POINTS AND 5 > > > POINTS ARE ADDED, THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE, SINCE THE PLANET IS > > > BENEFIC. IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE FOR LORD OF D OR E. I UNDERSTAND > > WHAT > > > YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY THAT THEY ARE EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS. BUT > > THOSE > > > 5 POINTS SHALL CAUSE THE PLANET TO HAVE ADDITIONAL STRENGTH WHICH > > IS > > > NOT APPROPRIATE IF THE PLANET IS MALEFIC SINCE STRONGEST > > SIGNIFICATOR > > > IS USED FOR FAVOURABLE PLANETS. > > > > > > Also in the WS the total points are considering by considering > > their > > > BASIC strength first and then you consider 4:10 and then you ADD > 5 > > > points to LoD and LoE and Planets in House D and E with > 4 > bindus > > > too. > > > > > > Then after that you conider the strenght gained or deducted due > to > > > Aspect on House A,B or C. > > > > > > MANU: I UNDERSTAND THIS. > > > > > > So like that you consider total strength in WS. That gives the > > > strength of planet. > > > > > > From the WS we can time the events. > > > > > > If we solve more charts we will get a better idea. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > Manu Batura wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Thank you for the explanation. > > > > > > > > Please see my comments below. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manu, > > > > > > > > LoD and LoE are always eager to give results irrespective of > the > > > > number of points it gets in the WS. > > > > My understanding was that to distinguish it from other planets > we > > > add > > > > 5 points as they are eager and yes in quite a few cases it > would > > > make > > > > it strongest significator. > > > > > > > > MANU: IF THEY ARE ALWAYS EAGER TO GIVE RESULTS (BENEFIC OR > > > MALEFIC), > > > > THEN WE DO NOT NEED TO DISTINGUISH THEM BY ADDING 5 POINTS. BY > > > ADDING > > > > 5 POINTS WE ARE GIVING THEM BENEFIC CHARACTER (SINCE FAVOURABLE > > > > EVENTS HAPPEN IN STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR). > > > > > > > > First you should study the chart and then see if any happiness > is > > > > there from the event and then at the last stage use the WS to > > time > > > > events. So there is no contradition. > > > > > > > > MANU: LET US SAY WE STUDY A CHART AND WE CONCLUDE THAT > HAPPINESS > > IS > > > > NOT THERE FOR HOUSE B. AND LET US SAY THAT IN THAT CHART LORD D > > GET > > > > HIGH POINTS DUE TO THOSE 5 POINTS EVEN THOUGH IT IS MALEFIC IN > > > > NATURE, THEN WE SHALL MAKE AN ERROR IF WE DO NOT SELECT THAT > > > MALEFIC > > > > LORD D SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS THE STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR (DUE TO > > > THOSE > > > > 5 POINTS). > > > > > > > > LoD and LoE are eager to give results. If their antras come > then > > > > they will try to give the result on the double such is their > > > > eagerness. Now say if divorce is there for that one has to > marry > > > > right ... so there is no contradition. > > > > > > > > MANU: WOULDN'T A SIMILAR ERROR OCCUR? IF DIVORCE IS THERE THEN > WE > > > > SHALL CONCLUDE THAT THE RESULTS IS NOT FAVOURABLE FOR HOUSE B. > WE > > > > SHALL NOT SELECT LORD D OR E ANTRA JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE > GETTING > > > MORE > > > > POINTS. > > > > > > > > Now if LoD and LoE are SD to 6th lord then they will be spoilt. > > So > > > > it means that they will try to give result (as LoD or LoE) at > the > > > > same time it will not give pure happiness (SD to 6th lord). > > > > > > > > MANU: DO THEY ALSO GET SPOILT IF THEY HAVE 0 POINTS IN THEIR > > > > ASHTAKAVARGAS? > > > > > > > > Say 9th lord or lagna lords antra is running so its eager to > give > > > > result for 4th house. Now assume lagna lord or 9th lord > conjoins > > > 6th > > > > lord. So its SD to 6th lord. So it will be eager to say give u > > say > > > > a house or a car. Lets assume one buys a car. So it fulfills > the > > > > part of furnishing some house or car or some fixed asset now > the > > > 2nd > > > > part as being SD to 6th lord means the car might have some > > problems > > > > or the house that u got might havfe some legal issues .. in > short > > > > some problem or the other will crop up ... and in short not > pure > > > > happiness. > > > > > > > > I hope its clear now. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manu Batura wrote: > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Ash, > > > > > > > > > > I have a basic question. Please do not mind. > > > > > > > > > > Can LoD or LoE, if they are not samdharmi to 6th lord and are > > not > > > > > lord of 12th from B, ever have malefic > > > > > effect on House B. What if they have less than 4 points (say > 0 > > > > > points). > > > > > > > > > > Currently, in the WS, if the planet is lord of D or lord of > E, > > we > > > > > always add 5 points to the planet. > > > > > We also say that a planet that have more than 12 points is > > > > favourable > > > > > (subject to other conditions too). > > > > > > > > > > Now these 5 points can make a planet the strongest > significator > > > too > > > > > in some cases. > > > > > > > > > > Given that we say the favourable events happen in the > strongest > > > > > significator and unfavourable events > > > > > happen in weakest or lord of 6th antra, this seems to be > > > > > contradictory. > > > > > > > > > > If the argument is that we add 5 points because LoD and LoE > are > > > > > always eager to give results and that > > > > > timing and quanta of results are two different things, then > too > > > it > > > > > seems invalid. > > > > > > > > > > While using the WS, we always say that if a planet is LoD or > > LoE, > > > > no > > > > > matter how many points > > > > > if gets, it is always eager to give results. Then we have to > > > judge > > > > > based on the general makeup of the chart > > > > > if the event really can happen in that antra. > > > > > > > > > > Then what is the reason to add those 5 points? Also why only > 5, > > > why > > > > > not 4, why not 6? > > > > > > > > > > I understand that it might be a law in KAS, but is there any > > > > > reasoning behind it? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Manu, I feel that Rahu who is SD to 6th lord can give the break. Guru would give more stress being the 2nd lord. Marriage happened in LoE and break in SD to 6th lord. Rahu is more like Mars. Cheers !!! Ash , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > I have doubts about ra causing the first separation. > > The first marriage happened in Ve significator. It is samdharmi to > Lord of 6th. Hence, marriage happened in weak significator. > > Hence, separation should happen in strong significator. Jupiter seems > like a good candidate for this. > > Kindly let me know if I made a mistake. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Ash, But, ve is also SD to 6th lord. It would not make sense to have marriage and separation both in planets that SD to 6th lord. There has to be some other explanation. Thanks & Regards, Manu , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manu, > I feel that Rahu who is SD to 6th lord can give the break. Guru > would give more stress being the 2nd lord. > Marriage happened in LoE and break in SD to 6th lord. Rahu is more > like Mars. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Manu Batura " > <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > I have doubts about ra causing the first separation. > > > > The first marriage happened in Ve significator. It is samdharmi to > > Lord of 6th. Hence, marriage happened in weak significator. > > > > Hence, separation should happen in strong significator. Jupiter > seems > > like a good candidate for this. > > > > Kindly let me know if I made a mistake. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Manu, This is what I was trying to explain. Venus is LoE so its eager to give timing. It will give the result but it cant give pure happiness due to the fact that its SD to 6th lord. Also there are other indication for unhappy marriages or multiple marraige in this chart that have been discussed in other mails. So here LoE is giving marraige and breaking in 6th lords antra. I hope this finer thing you can understand. Cheers !!! Ash , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > But, ve is also SD to 6th lord. It would not make sense to have > marriage and separation both in planets that SD to 6th lord. > > There has to be some other explanation. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Dear Ash, One question though. Why didn't mo/su cause the first separation then. Su is also SD to sixth lord and is the weakest significator. Thanks & Regards, Manu , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manu, > This is what I was trying to explain. Venus is LoE so its eager to > give timing. It will give the result but it cant give pure happiness > due to the fact that its SD to 6th lord. > Also there are other indication for unhappy marriages or multiple > marraige in this chart that have been discussed in other mails. > So here LoE is giving marraige and breaking in 6th lords antra. > I hope this finer thing you can understand. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Manu Batura " > <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > But, ve is also SD to 6th lord. It would not make sense to have > > marriage and separation both in planets that SD to 6th lord. > > > > There has to be some other explanation. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Dear Manu, I do not know enough about this native. Sun is weak for 7th house so it might have given problems or we can say that problems might have started. Its also SD to 2nd lord so again it might be a period of a lot of stress. It might have got enhnaced and given seperation in Rahu or Mars antra. Sun is not SD to 6th lord. 6th lord is SD to Sun. Here Mars is in navamsa of Sun and not vice versa. Sun is SD to Venus and not mars. Cheers !!! Ash , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > One question though. Why didn't mo/su cause the first separation > then. Su is also SD to sixth lord and is the weakest significator. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Manu, > > This is what I was trying to explain. Venus is LoE so its eager to > > give timing. It will give the result but it cant give pure > happiness > > due to the fact that its SD to 6th lord. > > Also there are other indication for unhappy marriages or multiple > > marraige in this chart that have been discussed in other mails. > > So here LoE is giving marraige and breaking in 6th lords antra. > > I hope this finer thing you can understand. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " Manu Batura " > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > But, ve is also SD to 6th lord. It would not make sense to have > > > marriage and separation both in planets that SD to 6th lord. > > > > > > There has to be some other explanation. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Manu > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Dear Ash, Isn't su NSD to mars? Thanks & Regards, Manu , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Manu, > > I do not know enough about this native. Sun is weak for 7th house so > it might have given problems or we can say that problems might have > started. Its also SD to 2nd lord so again it might be a period of a > lot of stress. It might have got enhnaced and given seperation in > Rahu or Mars antra. > Sun is not SD to 6th lord. 6th lord is SD to Sun. Here Mars is in > navamsa of Sun and not vice versa. > Sun is SD to Venus and not mars. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Manu Batura " > <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > One question though. Why didn't mo/su cause the first separation > > then. Su is also SD to sixth lord and is the weakest significator. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Manu, > > > This is what I was trying to explain. Venus is LoE so its eager > to > > > give timing. It will give the result but it cant give pure > > happiness > > > due to the fact that its SD to 6th lord. > > > Also there are other indication for unhappy marriages or multiple > > > marraige in this chart that have been discussed in other mails. > > > So here LoE is giving marraige and breaking in 6th lords antra. > > > I hope this finer thing you can understand. > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , " Manu Batura " > > > <manubatura> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > But, ve is also SD to 6th lord. It would not make sense to have > > > > marriage and separation both in planets that SD to 6th lord. > > > > > > > > There has to be some other explanation. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Manu > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Dear Krushnaji and Manu, Yes, true so it means that if Mars is unable to deliver the result so Sun will step in. Here Mars I think can deliver the result. hmmm... but you raise a good point.... maybe Krushnaji can clarify if NSD can be used in this way. Good one... Cheers !!! Ash , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Isn't su NSD to mars? > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2004 Report Share Posted August 28, 2004 hi manu and ash, My name is suhani, a member of .( india) learning astro. while going though my mailbox , i came across this mail about 3 marriages and 3 divorces. If you do not mind ,can you send me the chart with datails ? i will be thnakful to you. hope to have a positive reply. suhani..Manu Batura <manubatura wrote: Dear Ash,One question though. Why didn't mo/su cause the first separation then. Su is also SD to sixth lord and is the weakest significator.Thanks & Regards,Manu , "ashsam73" <ashsam73> wrote:> Dear Manu,> This is what I was trying to explain. Venus is LoE so its eager to > give timing. It will give the result but it cant give pure happiness > due to the fact that its SD to 6th lord.> Also there are other indication for unhappy marriages or multiple > marraige in this chart that have been discussed in other mails.> So here LoE is giving marraige and breaking in 6th lords antra.> I hope this finer thing you can understand. > Cheers !!!> Ash> > --- In , "Manu Batura" > <manubatura> wrote:> > Dear Ash,> > > > But, ve is also SD to 6th lord. It would not make sense to have > > marriage and separation both in planets that SD to 6th lord.> > > > There has to be some other explanation.> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > Manu> > India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2004 Report Share Posted August 28, 2004 Dear Suhani, Please refer to mail 7173. Cheers !!! Ash , suhani aab <suhani_aab> wrote: > hi manu and ash, > My name is suhani, a member of .( india) learning astro. while going though my mailbox , i came across this mail about 3 marriages and 3 divorces. If you do not mind ,can you send me the chart with datails ? i will be thnakful to you. hope to have a positive reply. > suhani.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 Could any one analyse following data as this girl got married and divorced multiple time. Date of Birth January 30th 1966 Time of Birth 14.07 hrs Indian standard time Place of Birth Mumbai This data could be food for astrological thought. thanks in advance , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Suhani, > Please refer to mail 7173. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , suhani aab > <suhani_aab> wrote: > > hi manu and ash, > > My name is suhani, a member of .( india) > learning astro. while going though my mailbox , i came across this > mail about 3 marriages and 3 divorces. If you do not mind ,can you > send me the chart with datails ? i will be thnakful to you. hope to > have a positive reply. > > suhani.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 Dear Ravi, Kindly let me know if I can address you as Ravi? There are a couple of points. Asc and 7th lord are in 2:12, Lord of Mo and Lord of 7th from Moon are also in 2:12. Jupiter is in Asc with more points. It seems likely that the marriage might have happened in Ve antra, Ve being lord of 6th and it is also lord of 12th from B. It also seems that Mo antra might also give marriage. Mo being in 4th place from Ve as lord of 6th. Thanks & Regards, Manu , " ravikris " <ravikris> wrote: > Could any one analyse following data as this girl got married and > divorced multiple time. > > Date of Birth January 30th 1966 > Time of Birth 14.07 hrs Indian standard time > Place of Birth Mumbai > > This data could be food for astrological thought. > > thanks in advance > > > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Suhani, > > Please refer to mail 7173. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , suhani aab > > <suhani_aab> wrote: > > > hi manu and ash, > > > My name is suhani, a member of .( india) > > learning astro. while going though my mailbox , i came across this > > mail about 3 marriages and 3 divorces. If you do not mind ,can you > > send me the chart with datails ? i will be thnakful to you. hope to > > have a positive reply. > > > suhani.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Dear Member The asc seems to be Kumbha and the rasi is Aries Moon is in Aries and Jupitor is in Rishabha with Rahu Guess this will help. regards Ravi , " Manu Batura " <manubatura> wrote: > Dear Ravi, > > Kindly let me know if I can address you as Ravi? > > There are a couple of points. Asc and 7th lord are in 2:12, Lord of > Mo and Lord of 7th from Moon are also in 2:12. > > Jupiter is in Asc with more points. > > It seems likely that the marriage might have happened in Ve antra, Ve > being lord of 6th and it is also lord of 12th from B. > > It also seems that Mo antra might also give marriage. Mo being in 4th > place from Ve as lord of 6th. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu > > > , " ravikris " > <ravikris> wrote: > > Could any one analyse following data as this girl got married and > > divorced multiple time. > > > > Date of Birth January 30th 1966 > > Time of Birth 14.07 hrs Indian standard time > > Place of Birth Mumbai > > > > This data could be food for astrological thought. > > > > thanks in advance > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Suhani, > > > Please refer to mail 7173. > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , suhani aab > > > <suhani_aab> wrote: > > > > hi manu and ash, > > > > My name is suhani, a member of .( > india) > > > learning astro. while going though my mailbox , i came across > this > > > mail about 3 marriages and 3 divorces. If you do not mind ,can > you > > > send me the chart with datails ? i will be thnakful to you. hope > to > > > have a positive reply. > > > > suhani.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Dear Ravi, I am getting lagna at 17Ta25. Degree of Moon is 22Ar54. Please also give some events about the native so that members who attempt the chart can verify the birth time. You are getting Kumbha lagna meaning its Aquarius. Something does not seem to be right. Also please cast the chart using Krushas aynamsa. Details of that you can get from Lessons and KAY calculator in the file section. Cheers !!! Ash , " ravikris " <ravikris> wrote: > Dear Member > The asc seems to be Kumbha and the rasi is Aries > Moon is in Aries and Jupitor is in Rishabha with Rahu > Guess this will help. > regards > Ravi > > , " Manu Batura " > <manubatura> wrote: > > Dear Ravi, > > > > Kindly let me know if I can address you as Ravi? > > > > There are a couple of points. Asc and 7th lord are in 2:12, Lord of > > Mo and Lord of 7th from Moon are also in 2:12. > > > > Jupiter is in Asc with more points. > > > > It seems likely that the marriage might have happened in Ve antra, > Ve > > being lord of 6th and it is also lord of 12th from B. > > > > It also seems that Mo antra might also give marriage. Mo being in > 4th > > place from Ve as lord of 6th. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > > > , " ravikris " > > <ravikris> wrote: > > > Could any one analyse following data as this girl got married and > > > divorced multiple time. > > > > > > Date of Birth January 30th 1966 > > > Time of Birth 14.07 hrs Indian standard time > > > Place of Birth Mumbai > > > > > > This data could be food for astrological thought. > > > > > > thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > Dear Suhani, > > > > Please refer to mail 7173. > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , suhani aab > > > > <suhani_aab> wrote: > > > > > hi manu and ash, > > > > > My name is suhani, a member of .( > > india) > > > > learning astro. while going though my mailbox , i came across > > this > > > > mail about 3 marriages and 3 divorces. If you do not mind ,can > > you > > > > send me the chart with datails ? i will be thnakful to you. > hope > > to > > > > have a positive reply. > > > > > suhani.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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