When will the event (income)happen?

November 10, 2004

Dear Ash and members

I was going thru lesson16 and got confused(see text below): Who are

the powerful significators for a house? i.e., Nautual Significators

or Functional Significators?

If Lord of D or E is as powerful than significators and the period of

Lord of D or E is running, then will they give results for house B or

do we still have to wait for the period of powerful signicators?

Also what happens if Lords of D or E are aspected both by Saturn?

Let's say 11th house is under consideration and Saturn/Venus is

running for Aquarius Lagna. Assume that both Saturn and Venus have

more than 12 points for various houses. Venus is in fourth house and

aspected by Jupiter from 12th house(Capricorn). Both Saturn and

Jupiter are in 12th house in Capricorn.So if 11th house is house " B " ,

then houses A, B, D, E are 6th, 8th, 3rd and 4th house. Now when will

income generating period start i.e., which one third part of

Saturn/Venus?Now when will income generating period start i.e., which

one third part of Saturn/Venus?Jupiter aspects Venus but both Venus

and Saturn aspect 6th house, which is house A. Lords of A(Moon), C

(Mars),D(Mercury) and E(Venus) are in 9th house, 7th house, 5th

house and 4th house respectively. So infact saturn does aspect lord

of house A(Moon) as well as the 6th house itself.However Jupiter also

aspects 6th house and 4th house(house E) and 8th house(house D). So

will Jupiter's influence on House E and its lord Venus, make things

happen in forst one thord period or will Saturn cause delays here?

Bindus> 4 4 4 5 3 6 3

SAV Pt Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa

1 27 14 14 27 13 22 20 6

2 31 34 12 9 12 26 16 10

3 32 22 19 15 21 14 7 15

4 32 20 18 10 9 20 25 15

5 26 19 17 12 10 19 19 14

6 23 24 15 26 15 26 10 15

7 31 21 19 12 11 14 28 20

8 23 22 20 9 20 16 17 12

9 28 23 19 8 12 26 22 17

10 36 38 16 16 18 18 11 16

11 27 22 21 12 16 15 26 16

12 21 18 17 7 25 12 19 11

Thanks and regards

Rajesh.

LESSON 16

Procedure for Placing the Event in the Length of the Bhutki

Up until now, we have understood that any event will occur either

under the influence of the powerful significators in the chart, or in

the sub period of the lords of either House D or House E.

The main period is that of the karaka planet or its Samdharmi. The

sub period of the planets however are of various and different

lengths. It is very important to narrow this time period down in

order to zoom in on the happening of the event itself.

There are several rules for doing this as follows:

1) Look to see if all of the lords of A, B and/or C houses are

aspected by Saturn, or

2) if these lords are placed with Saturn, or

3) if Saturn itself is one of the lords and others too are in its

aspect

This must be seen from the Rashi chart and/or the Navamsha chart as

both of them have equal status.

If rules 1 thru 3 are in effect, then the event will be late or

delayed. This means we have to divide the entire time length of the

sub period into three equal parts. The event will take place in the

third part of this sub period.

4) If such is the case that the lords are aspected by Jupiter also,

or Saturn is in the aspect of Jupiter, then the event will take place

in the 2nd part of the sub period.

5) If ONLY Jupiter alone is aspecting these lords, the events will

take place in the first part of the sub period. This means that

Saturn, the delay causing planet, is not aspecting, or the

significating planet is not having any relation with Saturn (not in

the Navamsha of Saturn or sign or constellation ruled by Saturn).

6) The lord of the sign and the constellation of the sub period lord,

(Significator) are also responsible for either an early event or a

delay in the timing. Slow moving planets will delay the event, while

the faster moving planets will give the result early. (This should be

applied for the length of the time of the sub period only)

7) The Moon is the fastest moving planet and Saturn is the slowest.

The order of speed for the planets from fastest to slowest are: Moon,

Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Rahu/ Ketu and Saturn. Moon, Sun

and Mercury will give the results in the first third of the equally

divided dasha period. Venus and Mars will give the results in the

2nd part, and Rahu, Ketu and Saturn will give the results in the 3rd

part. Jupiter is the exception here in that it will give the result

in the earlier part of the sub period.

8) The Navamsha Lord of the significator lord should also be

considered.

9) If, for example, one lord is fast moving and other is slow moving,

then the timing should be made accordingly and the average value

should then be taken

November 10, 2004

Dear Rajesh,

Please answers below.

Regards,

Manu

, " Rajesh M. Kumaria "

<rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

>

> Dear Ash and members

>

> I was going thru lesson16 and got confused(see text below): Who are

> the powerful significators for a house? i.e., Nautual Significators

> or Functional Significators?

>

Manu: Powerful significators are planets with more points for a

house. Natural and Functional are used with Karakas. Don't mix the

two things. They are different.

>

> If Lord of D or E is as powerful than significators and the period

of

> Lord of D or E is running, then will they give results for house B

or

> do we still have to wait for the period of powerful signicators?

>

Manu: No. LoD and LoE are always eager to give results.

>

> Also what happens if Lords of D or E are aspected both by Saturn?

>

Manu: If you are checking the procedure to determine which 1/3rd part

of antra shall give results, then only LoA, LoB and LoC are used. Not

LoD and LoE.

>

> Let's say 11th house is under consideration and Saturn/Venus is

> running for Aquarius Lagna. Assume that both Saturn and Venus have

> more than 12 points for various houses. Venus is in fourth house

and

> aspected by Jupiter from 12th house(Capricorn). Both Saturn and

> Jupiter are in 12th house in Capricorn.So if 11th house is

house " B " ,

> then houses A, B, D, E are 6th, 8th, 3rd and 4th house. Now when

will

> income generating period start i.e., which one third part of

> Saturn/Venus?Now when will income generating period start i.e.,

which

> one third part of Saturn/Venus?Jupiter aspects Venus but both Venus

> and Saturn aspect 6th house, which is house A. Lords of A(Moon), C

> (Mars),D(Mercury) and E(Venus) are in 9th house, 7th house, 5th

> house and 4th house respectively. So infact saturn does aspect lord

> of house A(Moon) as well as the 6th house itself.However Jupiter

also

> aspects 6th house and 4th house(house E) and 8th house(house D). So

> will Jupiter's influence on House E and its lord Venus, make things

> happen in forst one thord period or will Saturn cause delays here?

>

Manu: You have to use the Navamsa chart also.

>

> Bindus> 4 4 4 5 3 6 3

> SAV Pt Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa

> 1 27 14 14 27 13 22 20 6

> 2 31 34 12 9 12 26 16 10

> 3 32 22 19 15 21 14 7 15

> 4 32 20 18 10 9 20 25 15

> 5 26 19 17 12 10 19 19 14

> 6 23 24 15 26 15 26 10 15

> 7 31 21 19 12 11 14 28 20

> 8 23 22 20 9 20 16 17 12

> 9 28 23 19 8 12 26 22 17

> 10 36 38 16 16 18 18 11 16

> 11 27 22 21 12 16 15 26 16

> 12 21 18 17 7 25 12 19 11

>

> Thanks and regards

>

> Rajesh.

>

LESSON 16

>

> Procedure for Placing the Event in the Length of the Bhutki

>

> Up until now, we have understood that any event will occur either

> under the influence of the powerful significators in the chart, or

in

> the sub period of the lords of either House D or House E.

>

> The main period is that of the karaka planet or its Samdharmi. The

> sub period of the planets however are of various and different

> lengths. It is very important to narrow this time period down in

> order to zoom in on the happening of the event itself.

>

> There are several rules for doing this as follows:

>

> 1) Look to see if all of the lords of A, B and/or C houses are

> aspected by Saturn, or

>

> 2) if these lords are placed with Saturn, or

>

> 3) if Saturn itself is one of the lords and others too are in its

> aspect

>

> This must be seen from the Rashi chart and/or the Navamsha chart as

> both of them have equal status.

>

> If rules 1 thru 3 are in effect, then the event will be late or

> delayed. This means we have to divide the entire time length of the

> sub period into three equal parts. The event will take place in the

> third part of this sub period.

>

> 4) If such is the case that the lords are aspected by Jupiter also,

> or Saturn is in the aspect of Jupiter, then the event will take

place

> in the 2nd part of the sub period.

>

> 5) If ONLY Jupiter alone is aspecting these lords, the events will

> take place in the first part of the sub period. This means that

> Saturn, the delay causing planet, is not aspecting, or the

> significating planet is not having any relation with Saturn (not in

> the Navamsha of Saturn or sign or constellation ruled by Saturn).

>

> 6) The lord of the sign and the constellation of the sub period

lord,

> (Significator) are also responsible for either an early event or a

> delay in the timing. Slow moving planets will delay the event,

while

> the faster moving planets will give the result early. (This should

be

> applied for the length of the time of the sub period only)

>

> 7) The Moon is the fastest moving planet and Saturn is the slowest.

> The order of speed for the planets from fastest to slowest are:

Moon,

> Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Rahu/ Ketu and Saturn. Moon,

Sun

> and Mercury will give the results in the first third of the equally

> divided dasha period. Venus and Mars will give the results in the

> 2nd part, and Rahu, Ketu and Saturn will give the results in the

3rd

> part. Jupiter is the exception here in that it will give the result

> in the earlier part of the sub period.

>

> 8) The Navamsha Lord of the significator lord should also be

> considered.

>

> 9) If, for example, one lord is fast moving and other is slow

moving,

> then the timing should be made accordingly and the average value

> should then be taken

November 11, 2004

Dear Manu

Thanks for your clarifications. Here's what I tried further using

Navamsha chakra, for the native mentioned earlier on.

Navamsa Ascendent(using Krushna Ayanamsha) : Gemini

Venus in Cancer in 2nd house

Sun in Leo in 3rd house

mars and moon in libra in 5th house

ketu in scorpio in 6th house

Saturn® and Mercury in Aquarius in 9th house

Jupiter® in Aries in 11th house

Rahu in Taurus in 12th house

With 11th house as House B, the Lords of A, B, C are Mars(Scorpio),

Mars(Aries) and

Sun(Leo) while houses D and E Lords are Saturn(Capricorn) and

Mercury(Virgo).

Saturn Aspects 3rd Lord Sun and Ketu in Scorpio. Ketu being in

Scorpio wil act like Mars.

So Saturn does aspect lords of A and C here. ALso Jupiter aspects

Sun and Mars & Moon. So Jupiter aspects lords of houses B and

A..since Amrs is both lord of Aries(B) and scorpio(A).

So looks like Saturn's influence on Sun and Ketu are encountered by

jupiter's influence on Sun and Mars in Navamsha.

So does that mean that Saturn is no longer effective in Navamsha and

rashi chakra shows strong jupiter's influence on Venus(lord of D in

rashi) and Hence Venus will be eager to give results in first one -

third of its period? If I am right, then can you please let me know

how to proceed further as far as Sun's transits are concerned in

order to get a better timing here?

Here's the chart and other details, if needed, for the

native.Actually I am the native myself here.

Thanks and Regards

RMK

Natal Chart

July 20, 1961

Time: 21:50:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 80 E 55' 00 " , 26 N 51' 00 "

Lucknow, India

Altitude: 0.00 meters

Lunar Yr-Mo: Plava - Ashadha

Tithi: Sukla Ashtami (Ra) (77.88% left)

Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)

Nakshatra: Chitra (Ma) (34.69% left)

Yoga: Siddha (Ke)

Karana: Vishti (Sa)

Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)

Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Sg)

Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun)

Sunrise: 5:28:21

Sunset: 18:56:36

Janma Ghatis: 40.9022

Ayanamsa: 22-18-30.15

Sidereal Time: 17:36:29

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

Lagna 29 Aq 29' 51.10 " PBha 3 Aq Ge

Sun - PK 5 Cn 23' 16.09 " Push 1 Cn Le

Moon - DK 2 Li 02' 30.54 " Chit 3 Li Li

Mars - BK 20 Le 41' 39.95 " PPha 3 Le Li

Mercury - MK 15 Ge 12' 52.84 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq

Jupiter ® - PiK 10 Cp 32' 24.03 " Srav 1 Cp Ar

Venus - AmK 22 Ta 09' 37.35 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

Saturn ® - GK 4 Cp 08' 19.27 " USha 3 Cp Aq

Rahu - AK 6 Le 24' 26.29 " Makh 2 Le Ta

Ketu 6 Aq 24' 26.29 " Dhan 4 Aq Sc

Maandi 20 Ta 45' 37.33 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

Gulika 10 Ta 30' 07.06 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

Bhava Lagna 10 Pi 09' 00.40 " UBha 3 Pi Li

Hora Lagna 15 Sc 33' 47.09 " Anu 4 Sc Sc

Ghati Lagna 1 Sg 48' 07.15 " Mool 1 Sg Ar

Vighati Lagna 22 Aq 59' 47.45 " PBha 1 Aq Ar

Varnada Lagna 29 Vi 29' 51.10 " Aswi 1 Vi Ta

Sree Lagna 24 Li 37' 35.62 " Visa 2 Li Ta

Dhooma 18 Sc 43' 16.09 " Jye 1 Sc Sg

Vyatipata 11 Le 16' 43.91 " Makh 4 Le Cn

Parivesha 11 Aq 16' 43.91 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

Indra Chapa 18 Ta 43' 16.09 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

Upaketu 5 Ge 23' 16.09 " Mrig 4 Ge Sc

Kaala 27 Ge 09' 07.68 " Puna 3 Ge Ge

Mrityu 10 Aq 48' 44.12 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

Artha Prahara 7 Pi 56' 48.24 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

Yama Ghantaka 5 Ar 03' 07.63 " Aswi 2 Ar Ta

Planet Chara Karakatwa Meaning

Sun PK Son (follower)

Moon DK Spouse (partner)

Mars BK Brother (associate)

Mercury MK Mother (nourisher)

Jupiter PiK Father (authority)

Venus AmK Minister (advisor)

Saturn GK Cousin (rival)

Rahu AK Self

Ashtakavarga of Rasi Chart:

Ar Ta Ge Cn Le Vi Li Sc Sg Cp Aq Pi

As 5 4 6 5 3 5 4 4 4 5 1* 3

Su 6 5 2 4* 5 3 4 6 2 3 4 4

Mo 5 3 4 4 4 4 4* 4 5 5 3 4

Ma 5 2 2 2 4* 3 4 6 5 1 2 3

Me 3 6 5* 4 6 4 2 7 4 3 4 6

Ju 4 4 6 4 5 4 5 5 2 3* 7 7

Ve 4 6* 5 2 5 5 6 5 3 3 5 3

Sa 4 6 3 3 2 0 3 4 4 3* 3 4

Sodhya Pinda Rasi Pinda Graha Pinda

As 168 103 65

Su 164 116 48

Mo 86 46 40

Ma 66 49 17

Me 216 156 60

Ju 162 126 36

Ve 136 94 42

Sa 198 111 87

Planet Shadbala In rupas % Strength IshtaPhala KashtaPhala

Sun 489.11 8.15 163.04 39.92 16.41

Moon 356.61 5.94 99.06 17.26 39.32

Mars 459.30 7.66 153.10 12.40 45.61

Mercury 442.98 7.38 105.47 27.50 32.30

Jupiter 334.63 5.58 85.80 10.30 12.28

Venus 488.74 8.15 148.10 35.78 23.18

Saturn 445.46 7.42 148.49 45.91 2.62

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Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

Mars Mars 1956-12-24 Rah 1957-05-22 Jup 1958-06-09

Sat 1959-05-16 Merc 1960-06-24 Ket 1961-06-21

Ven 1961-11-17 Sun 1963-01-17 Moon 1963-05-25

Rah Rah 1963-12-24 Jup 1966-09-05 Sat 1969-01-29

Merc 1971-12-06 Ket 1974-06-24 Ven 1975-07-13

Sun 1978-07-13 Moon 1979-06-06 Mars 1980-12-05

Jup Jup 1981-12-24 Sat 1984-02-11 Merc 1986-08-24

Ket 1988-11-29 Ven 1989-11-05 Sun 1992-07-06

Moon 1993-04-24 Mars 1994-08-24 Rah 1995-07-31

Sat Sat 1997-12-23 Merc 2000-12-26 Ket 2003-09-05

Ven 2004-10-14 Sun 2007-12-15 Moon 2008-11-26

Mars 2010-06-27 Rah 2011-08-06 Jup 2014-06-12

Merc Merc 2016-12-23 Ket 2019-05-22 Ven 2020-05-18

Sun 2023-03-19 Moon 2024-01-23 Mars 2025-06-24

Rah 2026-06-21 Jup 2029-01-07 Sat 2031-04-15

Ket Ket 2033-12-23 Ven 2034-05-21 Sun 2035-07-21

Moon 2035-11-26 Mars 2036-06-26 Rah 2036-11-23

Jup 2037-12-11 Sat 2038-11-17 Merc 2039-12-27

Ven Ven 2040-12-23 Sun 2044-04-23 Moon 2045-04-24

Mars 2046-12-23 Rah 2048-02-22 Jup 2051-02-22

Sat 2053-10-23 Merc 2056-12-23 Ket 2059-10-24

Sun Sun 2060-12-23 Moon 2061-04-11 Mars 2061-10-11

Rah 2062-02-16 Jup 2063-01-11 Sat 2063-10-30

Merc 2064-10-11 Ket 2065-08-17 Ven 2065-12-23

Moon Moon 2066-12-23 Mars 2067-10-24 Rah 2068-05-24

Jup 2069-11-23 Sat 2071-03-24 Merc 2072-10-23

Ket 2074-03-24 Ven 2074-10-23 Sun 2076-06-23

Ashtottari Dasa (controversial nakshatra dasa):

Mars Merc 1958-03-31 Sat 1959-07-04 Jup 1960-03-30

Rah 1961-08-26 Ven 1962-07-17 Sun 1964-02-05

Moon 1964-07-16 Mars 1965-08-26

Merc Sat 1966-03-31 Jup 1967-10-27 Rah 1970-10-23

Ven 1972-09-12 Sun 1976-01-02 Moon 1976-12-12

Mars 1979-04-24 Merc 1980-07-27

Sat Jup 1983-03-31 Rah 1985-01-01 Ven 1986-02-11

Sun 1988-01-22 Moon 1988-08-12 Mars 1990-01-02

Merc 1990-09-29 Sat 1992-04-26

Jup Rah 1993-03-30 Ven 1995-05-10 Sun 1999-01-19

Moon 2000-02-08 Mars 2002-09-29 Merc 2004-02-25

Sat 2007-02-22 Jup 2008-11-25

Rah Ven 2012-03-30 Sun 2014-07-30 Moon 2015-03-31

Mars 2016-11-28 Merc 2017-10-19 Sat 2019-09-09

Jup 2020-10-19 Rah 2022-11-29

Ven Sun 2024-03-30 Moon 2025-05-30 Mars 2028-04-29

Merc 2029-11-18 Sat 2033-03-10 Jup 2035-02-18

Rah 2038-10-29 Ven 2041-02-28

Sun Moon 2045-03-30 Mars 2046-01-28 Merc 2046-07-10

Sat 2047-06-20 Jup 2048-01-08 Rah 2049-01-28

Ven 2049-09-29 Sun 2050-11-29

Moon Mars 2051-03-30 Merc 2052-05-09 Sat 2054-09-19

Jup 2056-02-08 Rah 2058-09-29 Ven 2060-05-29

Sun 2063-04-30 Moon 2064-02-28

Kalachakra Dasa (Savya group, Paramayush = 100 years):

Pi Pi 1951-09-17 Sc 1952-09-16 Li 1953-05-30

Vi 1955-01-04 Cn 1955-11-29 Le 1958-01-04

Ge 1958-07-06 Ta 1959-05-30 Ar 1961-01-04

Sc Sc 1961-09-16 Li 1962-03-14 Vi 1963-04-27

Cn 1963-12-14 Le 1965-06-02 Ge 1965-10-08

Ta 1966-05-26 Ar 1967-07-09 Pi 1968-01-04

Li Li 1968-09-16 Vi 1971-05-08 Cn 1972-10-31

Le 1976-04-18 Ge 1977-02-14 Ta 1978-08-10

Ar 1981-03-31 Pi 1982-05-27 Aq 1984-01-19

Vi Vi 1984-09-16 Cn 1985-08-30 Le 1987-11-20

Ge 1988-06-01 Ta 1989-05-15 Ar 1991-01-23

Pi 1991-10-21 Aq 1992-11-11 Cp 1993-04-14

Cn Cn 1993-09-16 Le 1998-11-02 Ge 2000-01-22

Ta 2002-04-04 Ar 2006-03-01 Pi 2007-11-15

Aq 2010-04-25 Cp 2011-04-17 Sg 2012-04-07

Le Le 2014-09-16 Ge 2015-01-21 Ta 2015-09-06

Ar 2016-10-16 Pi 2017-04-12 Aq 2017-12-21

Cp 2018-04-02 Sg 2018-07-12 Ar 2019-03-23

Ge Ge 2019-09-16 Ta 2020-09-07 Ar 2022-06-03

Pi 2023-03-07 Aq 2024-04-06 Cp 2024-09-11

Sg 2025-02-17 Ar 2026-03-20 Ta 2026-12-22

Ta Ta 2028-09-16 Ar 2031-10-17 Pi 2033-02-21

Aq 2035-01-26 Cp 2035-11-04 Sg 2036-08-11

Ar 2038-07-16 Ta 2039-11-21 Ge 2042-12-22

Ar Ar 2044-09-16 Pi 2045-04-07 Aq 2046-01-22

Cp 2046-05-19 Sg 2046-09-12 Ar 2047-06-29

Ta 2048-01-19 Ge 2049-04-28 Cn 2050-01-14

Narayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):

Le Cn 1961-07-20 Ge 1961-08-20 Ta 1961-09-19

Ar 1961-10-20 Pi 1961-11-19 Aq 1961-12-20

Cp 1962-01-19 Sg 1962-02-18 Sc 1962-03-21

Li 1962-04-20 Vi 1962-05-21 Le 1962-06-20

Cp Cp 1962-07-21 Aq 1963-07-21 Pi 1964-07-20

Ar 1965-07-20 Ta 1966-07-21 Ge 1967-07-21

Cn 1968-07-20 Le 1969-07-20 Vi 1970-07-21

Li 1971-07-21 Sc 1972-07-20 Sg 1973-07-20

Ge Ge 1974-07-21 Cn 1975-07-21 Le 1976-07-20

Vi 1977-07-20 Li 1978-07-21 Sc 1979-07-21

Sg 1980-07-20 Cp 1981-07-20 Aq 1982-07-21

Pi 1983-07-21 Ar 1984-07-20 Ta 1985-07-20

Sc Ta 1986-07-20 Ar 1987-04-20 Pi 1988-01-19

Aq 1988-10-19 Cp 1989-07-20 Sg 1990-04-20

Sc 1991-01-19 Li 1991-10-20 Vi 1992-07-20

Le 1993-04-20 Cn 1994-01-19 Ge 1994-10-20

Ar Ta 1995-07-21 Ar 1995-11-19 Pi 1996-03-20

Aq 1996-07-20 Cp 1996-11-19 Sg 1997-03-20

Sc 1997-07-20 Li 1997-11-19 Vi 1998-03-21

Le 1998-07-20 Cn 1998-11-19 Ge 1999-03-21

Vi Ge 1999-07-21 Cn 1999-10-20 Le 2000-01-19

Vi 2000-04-20 Li 2000-07-20 Sc 2000-10-19

Sg 2001-01-18 Cp 2001-04-20 Aq 2001-07-20

Pi 2001-10-19 Ar 2002-01-19 Ta 2002-04-20

Aq Cn 2002-07-20 Ge 2002-08-20 Ta 2002-09-19

Ar 2002-10-20 Pi 2002-11-19 Aq 2002-12-20

Cp 2003-01-19 Sg 2003-02-18 Sc 2003-03-21

Li 2003-04-20 Vi 2003-05-21 Le 2003-06-20

Cn Cp 2003-07-21 Aq 2004-04-20 Pi 2005-01-18

Ar 2005-10-19 Ta 2006-07-20 Ge 2007-04-20

Cn 2008-01-19 Le 2008-10-19 Vi 2009-07-20

Li 2010-04-20 Sc 2011-01-19 Sg 2011-10-20

Sg Ge 2012-07-20 Cn 2012-07-20 Le 2012-07-20

Vi 2012-07-20 Li 2012-07-20 Sc 2012-07-20

Sg 2012-07-20 Cp 2012-07-20 Aq 2012-07-20

Pi 2012-07-20 Ar 2012-07-20 Ta 2012-07-20

Ta Ta 2012-07-20 Ar 2013-07-20 Pi 2014-07-20

Aq 2015-07-21 Cp 2016-07-20 Sg 2017-07-20

Sc 2018-07-20 Li 2019-07-20 Vi 2020-07-20

Le 2021-07-20 Cn 2022-07-20 Ge 2023-07-20

Li Ta 2024-07-20 Ar 2025-02-18 Pi 2025-09-19

Aq 2026-04-20 Cp 2026-11-19 Sg 2027-06-20

Sc 2028-01-19 Li 2028-08-19 Vi 2029-03-20

Le 2029-10-19 Cn 2030-05-20 Ge 2030-12-19

Pi Ge 2031-07-20 Cn 2031-08-20 Le 2031-09-19

Vi 2031-10-20 Li 2031-11-19 Sc 2031-12-20

Sg 2032-01-19 Cp 2032-02-18 Aq 2032-03-20

Pi 2032-04-19 Ar 2032-05-20 Ta 2032-06-19

, " Manu Batura "

<manubatura> wrote:

>

> Dear Rajesh,

>

> Please answers below.

>

> Regards,

> Manu

>

> , " Rajesh M.

Kumaria "

> <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash and members

> >

> > I was going thru lesson16 and got confused(see text below): Who

are

> > the powerful significators for a house? i.e., Nautual

Significators

> > or Functional Significators?

> >

>

> Manu: Powerful significators are planets with more points for a

> house. Natural and Functional are used with Karakas. Don't mix the

> two things. They are different.

>

> >

> > If Lord of D or E is as powerful than significators and the

period

> of

> > Lord of D or E is running, then will they give results for house

B

> or

> > do we still have to wait for the period of powerful signicators?

> >

>

> Manu: No. LoD and LoE are always eager to give results.

>

> >

> > Also what happens if Lords of D or E are aspected both by Saturn?

> >

>

> Manu: If you are checking the procedure to determine which 1/3rd

part

> of antra shall give results, then only LoA, LoB and LoC are used.

Not

> LoD and LoE.

>

> >

> > Let's say 11th house is under consideration and Saturn/Venus is

> > running for Aquarius Lagna. Assume that both Saturn and Venus

have

> > more than 12 points for various houses. Venus is in fourth house

> and

> > aspected by Jupiter from 12th house(Capricorn). Both Saturn and

> > Jupiter are in 12th house in Capricorn.So if 11th house is

> house " B " ,

> > then houses A, B, D, E are 6th, 8th, 3rd and 4th house. Now when

> will

> > income generating period start i.e., which one third part of

> > Saturn/Venus?Now when will income generating period start i.e.,

> which

> > one third part of Saturn/Venus?Jupiter aspects Venus but both

Venus

> > and Saturn aspect 6th house, which is house A. Lords of A(Moon), C

> > (Mars),D(Mercury) and E(Venus) are in 9th house, 7th house, 5th

> > house and 4th house respectively. So infact saturn does aspect

lord

> > of house A(Moon) as well as the 6th house itself.However Jupiter

> also

> > aspects 6th house and 4th house(house E) and 8th house(house D).

So

> > will Jupiter's influence on House E and its lord Venus, make

things

> > happen in forst one thord period or will Saturn cause delays here?

> >

>

> Manu: You have to use the Navamsa chart also.

>

> >

> > Bindus> 4 4 4 5 3 6 3

> > SAV Pt Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa

> > 1 27 14 14 27 13 22 20 6

> > 2 31 34 12 9 12 26 16 10

> > 3 32 22 19 15 21 14 7 15

> > 4 32 20 18 10 9 20 25 15

> > 5 26 19 17 12 10 19 19 14

> > 6 23 24 15 26 15 26 10 15

> > 7 31 21 19 12 11 14 28 20

> > 8 23 22 20 9 20 16 17 12

> > 9 28 23 19 8 12 26 22 17

> > 10 36 38 16 16 18 18 11 16

> > 11 27 22 21 12 16 15 26 16

> > 12 21 18 17 7 25 12 19 11

> >

> > Thanks and regards

> >

> > Rajesh.

> >

> > LESSON 16

> >

> > Procedure for Placing the Event in the Length of the Bhutki

> >

> > Up until now, we have understood that any event will occur either

> > under the influence of the powerful significators in the chart,

or

> in

> > the sub period of the lords of either House D or House E.

> >

> > The main period is that of the karaka planet or its Samdharmi.

The

> > sub period of the planets however are of various and different

> > lengths. It is very important to narrow this time period down in

> > order to zoom in on the happening of the event itself.

> >

> > There are several rules for doing this as follows:

> >

> > 1) Look to see if all of the lords of A, B and/or C houses are

> > aspected by Saturn, or

> >

> > 2) if these lords are placed with Saturn, or

> >

> > 3) if Saturn itself is one of the lords and others too are in its

> > aspect

> >

> > This must be seen from the Rashi chart and/or the Navamsha chart

as

> > both of them have equal status.

> >

> > If rules 1 thru 3 are in effect, then the event will be late or

> > delayed. This means we have to divide the entire time length of

the

> > sub period into three equal parts. The event will take place in

the

> > third part of this sub period.

> >

> > 4) If such is the case that the lords are aspected by Jupiter

also,

> > or Saturn is in the aspect of Jupiter, then the event will take

> place

> > in the 2nd part of the sub period.

> >

> > 5) If ONLY Jupiter alone is aspecting these lords, the events

will

> > take place in the first part of the sub period. This means that

> > Saturn, the delay causing planet, is not aspecting, or the

> > significating planet is not having any relation with Saturn (not

in

> > the Navamsha of Saturn or sign or constellation ruled by Saturn).

> >

> > 6) The lord of the sign and the constellation of the sub period

> lord,

> > (Significator) are also responsible for either an early event or

a

> > delay in the timing. Slow moving planets will delay the event,

> while

> > the faster moving planets will give the result early. (This

should

> be

> > applied for the length of the time of the sub period only)

> >

> > 7) The Moon is the fastest moving planet and Saturn is the

slowest.

> > The order of speed for the planets from fastest to slowest are:

> Moon,

> > Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Rahu/ Ketu and Saturn. Moon,

> Sun

> > and Mercury will give the results in the first third of the

equally

> > divided dasha period. Venus and Mars will give the results in

the

> > 2nd part, and Rahu, Ketu and Saturn will give the results in the

> 3rd

> > part. Jupiter is the exception here in that it will give the

result

> > in the earlier part of the sub period.

> >

> > 8) The Navamsha Lord of the significator lord should also be

> > considered.

> >

> > 9) If, for example, one lord is fast moving and other is slow

> moving,

> > then the timing should be made accordingly and the average value

> > should then be taken

November 12, 2004

Dear Rajesh,

When Sa aspects lords of Houes A or LoA and LoB or House B and LoC or House C in Rasi, or LoA,LoB or LoC in Navamsa i.e. all 3 houses or lords are affected then there is full delay i.e. last sector in which the event will take place. Now here the delay causing planet becomes Sa. Now if Sa is aspected by Jupiter then delayed is moderated i.e. say if its in 3rd sector the delay will be moderated in 2nd sector.

Now here Ju is checking delay of Sa but we need to check the status of Guru first. If Guru is in sign of Sa or nakshtra of Sa or if its in libra then it cant check delay of Sa as itself is in the grasp of Sa.

Now there is also a law which says that if the delay causing planet is LoD or LoE or that matter with our example here the delay causing planet is Sa and if Sa's antra comes then it will give the result in the first sector.

I hope this helps,

Cheers !!!

Ash

"Rajesh M. Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000 wrote:

Dear ManuThanks for your clarifications. Here's what I tried further using Navamsha chakra, for the native mentioned earlier on.Navamsa Ascendent(using Krushna Ayanamsha) : GeminiVenus in Cancer in 2nd houseSun in Leo in 3rd housemars and moon in libra in 5th houseketu in scorpio in 6th houseSaturn® and Mercury in Aquarius in 9th houseJupiter® in Aries in 11th houseRahu in Taurus in 12th houseWith 11th house as House B, the Lords of A, B, C are Mars(Scorpio), Mars(Aries) andSun(Leo) while houses D and E Lords are Saturn(Capricorn) and Mercury(Virgo).Saturn Aspects 3rd Lord Sun and Ketu in Scorpio. Ketu being in Scorpio wil act like Mars. So Saturn does aspect lords of A and C here. ALso Jupiter aspects Sun and Mars & Moon. So Jupiter aspects lords

of houses B and A..since Amrs is both lord of Aries(B) and scorpio(A). So looks like Saturn's influence on Sun and Ketu are encountered by jupiter's influence on Sun and Mars in Navamsha.So does that mean that Saturn is no longer effective in Navamsha and rashi chakra shows strong jupiter's influence on Venus(lord of D in rashi) and Hence Venus will be eager to give results in first one -third of its period? If I am right, then can you please let me know how to proceed further as far as Sun's transits are concerned in order to get a better timing here?Here's the chart and other details, if needed, for the native.Actually I am the native myself here.Thanks and RegardsRMKNatal ChartJuly 20, 1961Time: 21:50:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 80 E 55' 00", 26 N 51' 00"Lucknow, IndiaAltitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Plava -

AshadhaTithi: Sukla Ashtami (Ra) (77.88% left)Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)Nakshatra: Chitra (Ma) (34.69% left)Yoga: Siddha (Ke)Karana: Vishti (Sa)Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Sg)Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun)Sunrise: 5:28:21Sunset: 18:56:36Janma Ghatis: 40.9022Ayanamsa: 22-18-30.15Sidereal Time: 17:36:29Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi NavamsaLagna 29 Aq 29' 51.10" PBha 3 Aq GeSun - PK 5 Cn 23' 16.09" Push 1 Cn LeMoon - DK 2 Li 02' 30.54" Chit 3 Li LiMars - BK 20 Le 41' 39.95" PPha 3 Le LiMercury - MK 15 Ge 12' 52.84" Ardr 3 Ge AqJupiter ® - PiK 10 Cp 32' 24.03" Srav 1 Cp ArVenus - AmK 22 Ta 09' 37.35" Rohi 4 Ta CnSaturn ® - GK 4 Cp 08' 19.27" USha 3 Cp AqRahu - AK 6 Le 24' 26.29" Makh 2 Le TaKetu 6 Aq 24' 26.29" Dhan 4 Aq ScMaandi 20 Ta 45' 37.33" Rohi 4 Ta CnGulika 10 Ta 30' 07.06" Rohi 1 Ta ArBhava Lagna 10 Pi 09'

00.40" UBha 3 Pi LiHora Lagna 15 Sc 33' 47.09" Anu 4 Sc ScGhati Lagna 1 Sg 48' 07.15" Mool 1 Sg ArVighati Lagna 22 Aq 59' 47.45" PBha 1 Aq ArVarnada Lagna 29 Vi 29' 51.10" Aswi 1 Vi TaSree Lagna 24 Li 37' 35.62" Visa 2 Li TaDhooma 18 Sc 43' 16.09" Jye 1 Sc SgVyatipata 11 Le 16' 43.91" Makh 4 Le CnParivesha 11 Aq 16' 43.91" Sata 2 Aq CpIndra Chapa 18 Ta 43' 16.09" Rohi 3 Ta GeUpaketu 5 Ge 23' 16.09" Mrig 4 Ge ScKaala 27 Ge 09' 07.68" Puna 3 Ge GeMrityu 10 Aq 48' 44.12" Sata 2 Aq CpArtha Prahara 7 Pi 56' 48.24" UBha 2 Pi ViYama Ghantaka 5 Ar 03' 07.63" Aswi 2 Ar TaPlanet Chara Karakatwa MeaningSun PK Son (follower)Moon DK Spouse (partner)Mars BK Brother (associate)Mercury MK Mother (nourisher)Jupiter PiK Father (authority)Venus AmK Minister (advisor)Saturn GK Cousin (rival)Rahu AK SelfAshtakavarga of Rasi Chart:Ar Ta Ge Cn Le Vi Li Sc Sg Cp Aq PiAs 5 4 6 5 3 5 4 4 4

5 1* 3 Su 6 5 2 4* 5 3 4 6 2 3 4 4 Mo 5 3 4 4 4 4 4* 4 5 5 3 4 Ma 5 2 2 2 4* 3 4 6 5 1 2 3 Me 3 6 5* 4 6 4 2 7 4 3 4 6 Ju 4 4 6 4 5 4 5 5 2 3* 7 7 Ve 4 6* 5 2 5 5 6 5 3 3 5 3 Sa 4 6 3 3 2 0 3 4 4 3* 3 4 Sodhya Pinda Rasi Pinda Graha PindaAs 168 103 65Su 164 116 48Mo 86 46 40Ma 66 49 17Me 216 156 60Ju 162 126 36Ve 136 94 42Sa 198 111 87Planet Shadbala In rupas % Strength IshtaPhala KashtaPhalaSun 489.11 8.15 163.04 39.92 16.41Moon 356.61 5.94 99.06 17.26 39.32Mars 459.30 7.66 153.10 12.40 45.61Mercury 442.98 7.38 105.47 27.50 32.30Jupiter 334.63 5.58 85.80 10.30 12.28Venus 488.74 8.15 148.10 35.78 23.18Saturn 445.46 7.42 148.49 45.91 2.62+--------------+| | |Ve Md |Me || | |Gk | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||As Ke | |Su || | | || | | || | | || | |

||-----------| Rasi |-----------||JuR SaR | |Ma Ra || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||GL AL |HL |Mo | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------++--------------+| |JuR GL |Ra |As || |Gk | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Me SaR | |Ve Md || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Navamsa |-----------|| | |Su || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| |Ke HL |Mo Ma | || | |AL | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------++--------------+|GL | |Gk |Me || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | |

||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ke | |Su Ma || | | || | | || | | || | Hora | ||-----------| |-----------||As JuR | D-2 (Kn) |Ra ||SaR | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| |HL |Mo Ve | || | |Md AL | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------++--------------+|HL |Ma |JuR | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ke | |Su || | | || | | || | | || | Drekkana | ||-----------| |-----------||Ve SaR | D-3 |Ra ||Md AL | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||GL | |As Mo |Gk || | |Me | || | | | || | | | || | | |

|+--------------++--------------+| |JuR |HL | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ma Ke | |Su ||AL | | || | | || | | || | Chaturthamsa | ||-----------| |-----------||SaR | D-4 |Ra Gk || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Me GL |As Ve |Mo | || |Md | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------++--------------+|HL |Mo GL |Su SaR |Ma || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ra Ke | | || | | || | | || | | || | Panchamsa | ||-----------| |-----------||Ve Md | D-5 | ||AL | | || | | || | | || | |

||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Me | |As |JuR Gk || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------++--------------+| |Mo GL |Ra Ke | || | |AL | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ve Md | |Me || | | || | | || | | || | Shashthamsa | ||-----------| |-----------||HL | D-6 |Ma || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||JuR Gk |Su |SaR |As || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------++--------------+|Ke Md |Ve |AL | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Su | |SaR || | | || | | || | | || | Saptamsa | ||-----------|

|-----------||Gk | D-7 |As HL || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ma GL | |Mo |Me JuR || | | |Ra || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------++--------------+| |Mo HL |Su Ma |JuR || | |Ve SaR | || | |Md | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Gk | |As || | | || | | || | | || | Ashtamsa | ||-----------| |-----------||Ra Ke | D-8 |GL || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Me | |AL | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------++--------------+| |Su Ke | | || |Gk | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ma | |Md

|| | | || | | || | | || | Dasamsa | ||-----------| |-----------|| | D-10 |Ve || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||JuR HL |As Me |Mo SaR |AL ||GL | |Ra | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------++--------------+| |As | |Gk || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Su Ra | |Ma Me ||HL | |AL || | | || | | || | Rudramsa | ||-----------| |-----------|| | D-11 |SaR Ke || | |GL || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| |Ve |Mo JuR | || | |Md | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------++--------------+|AL |Ma Ke |JuR HL | || | | | || | | | || | | |

|| | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||SaR | | || | | || | | || | | || | Dwadasamsa | ||-----------| |-----------||As Ve | D-12 | ||Md | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Me GL | |Mo Ra |Su Gk || | | | |=== message truncated ===

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November 13, 2004

Dear Ash

Thanks for these detailed clarifications. I have learned several

important things in last few weeks sofar from lessons and your

replies. Now I am somewhat still entangled here, while Jupiter tries

to control delays caused by Saturn(native's case) and Venus with high

points for varius houses is eager to give good results for 11th

house, being Lord of 'E " house(4th) and Saturn/Venus period has

started from 10/14/2004 for next 3 years. Now Since Jupiter is in

Capricorn and so it will be unable to control delays due to Saturn,

so does it mean that the native will have to wait for last one-third

period of Saturn/Venus to get some good income? If so, then that

means two more years from now, and so what role does Lords of D and E

play here, since Lord of E's antardasha is running here(just started).

can Lord of E control Saturn's delays in its own antardasha?

Hope you can throw some light here.Actually I am the native myself

here and the chart is atached below.

Thanks and regards

Rajesh.

Natal Chart

July 20, 1961

Time: 21:50:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 80 E 55' 00 " , 26 N 51' 00 "

Lucknow, India

Altitude: 0.00 meters

Lunar Yr-Mo: Plava - Ashadha

Tithi: Sukla Ashtami (Ra) (77.88% left)

Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)

Nakshatra: Chitra (Ma) (34.69% left)

Yoga: Siddha (Ke)

Karana: Vishti (Sa)

Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)

Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Sg)

Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun)

Sunrise: 5:28:21

Sunset: 18:56:36

Janma Ghatis: 40.9022

Ayanamsa: 22-18-30.15

Sidereal Time: 17:36:29

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

Lagna 29 Aq 29' 51.10 " PBha 3 Aq Ge

Sun - PK 5 Cn 23' 16.09 " Push 1 Cn Le

Moon - DK 2 Li 02' 30.54 " Chit 3 Li Li

Mars - BK 20 Le 41' 39.95 " PPha 3 Le Li

Mercury - MK 15 Ge 12' 52.84 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq

Jupiter ® - PiK 10 Cp 32' 24.03 " Srav 1 Cp Ar

Venus - AmK 22 Ta 09' 37.35 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

Saturn ® - GK 4 Cp 08' 19.27 " USha 3 Cp Aq

Rahu - AK 6 Le 24' 26.29 " Makh 2 Le Ta

Ketu 6 Aq 24' 26.29 " Dhan 4 Aq Sc

Maandi 20 Ta 45' 37.33 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

Gulika 10 Ta 30' 07.06 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

Bhava Lagna 10 Pi 09' 00.40 " UBha 3 Pi Li

Hora Lagna 15 Sc 33' 47.09 " Anu 4 Sc Sc

Ghati Lagna 1 Sg 48' 07.15 " Mool 1 Sg Ar

Vighati Lagna 22 Aq 59' 47.45 " PBha 1 Aq Ar

Varnada Lagna 29 Vi 29' 51.10 " Aswi 1 Vi Ta

Sree Lagna 24 Li 37' 35.62 " Visa 2 Li Ta

Dhooma 18 Sc 43' 16.09 " Jye 1 Sc Sg

Vyatipata 11 Le 16' 43.91 " Makh 4 Le Cn

Parivesha 11 Aq 16' 43.91 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

Indra Chapa 18 Ta 43' 16.09 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

Upaketu 5 Ge 23' 16.09 " Mrig 4 Ge Sc

Kaala 27 Ge 09' 07.68 " Puna 3 Ge Ge

Mrityu 10 Aq 48' 44.12 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

Artha Prahara 7 Pi 56' 48.24 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

Yama Ghantaka 5 Ar 03' 07.63 " Aswi 2 Ar Ta

+--------------+

| | |Ve Md |Me |

| | |Gk | |

| | | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

|As Ke | |Su |

| | | |

|-----------| Rasi |-----------|

|JuR SaR | |Ma Ra |

| | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

|GL AL |HL |Mo | |

| | | | |

+--------------+

| |JuR GL |Ra |As |

| |Gk | | |

| | | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

|Me SaR | |Ve Md |

| | | |

|-----------| Navamsa |-----------|

| | |Su |

| | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

| | |AL | |

| | | | |

+--------------+

Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

Mars Mars 1956-12-24 Rah 1957-05-22 Jup 1958-06-09

Sat 1959-05-16 Merc 1960-06-24 Ket 1961-06-21

Ven 1961-11-17 Sun 1963-01-17 Moon 1963-05-25

Rah Rah 1963-12-24 Jup 1966-09-05 Sat 1969-01-29

Merc 1971-12-06 Ket 1974-06-24 Ven 1975-07-13

Sun 1978-07-13 Moon 1979-06-06 Mars 1980-12-05

Jup Jup 1981-12-24 Sat 1984-02-11 Merc 1986-08-24

Ket 1988-11-29 Ven 1989-11-05 Sun 1992-07-06

Moon 1993-04-24 Mars 1994-08-24 Rah 1995-07-31

Sat Sat 1997-12-23 Merc 2000-12-26 Ket 2003-09-05

Ven 2004-10-14 Sun 2007-12-15 Moon 2008-11-26

Mars 2010-06-27 Rah 2011-08-06 Jup 2014-06-12

Merc Merc 2016-12-23 Ket 2019-05-22 Ven 2020-05-18

Sun 2023-03-19 Moon 2024-01-23 Mars 2025-06-24

Rah 2026-06-21 Jup 2029-01-07 Sat 2031-04-15

Ket Ket 2033-12-23 Ven 2034-05-21 Sun 2035-07-21

Moon 2035-11-26 Mars 2036-06-26 Rah 2036-11-23

Jup 2037-12-11 Sat 2038-11-17 Merc 2039-12-27

Ven Ven 2040-12-23 Sun 2044-04-23 Moon 2045-04-24

Mars 2046-12-23 Rah 2048-02-22 Jup 2051-02-22

Sat 2053-10-23 Merc 2056-12-23 Ket 2059-10-24

Sun Sun 2060-12-23 Moon 2061-04-11 Mars 2061-10-11

Rah 2062-02-16 Jup 2063-01-11 Sat 2063-10-30

Merc 2064-10-11 Ket 2065-08-17 Ven 2065-12-23

Moon Moon 2066-12-23 Mars 2067-10-24 Rah 2068-05-24

Jup 2069-11-23 Sat 2071-03-24 Merc 2072-10-23

Ket 2074-03-24 Ven 2074-10-23 Sun 2076-06-23

, Ash <ashsam73>

wrote:

> Dear Rajesh,

>

> When Sa aspects lords of Houes A or LoA and LoB or House B and

LoC or House C in Rasi, or LoA,LoB or LoC in Navamsa i.e. all 3

houses or lords are affected then there is full delay i.e. last

sector in which the event will take place. Now here the delay

causing planet becomes Sa. Now if Sa is aspected by Jupiter then

delayed is moderated i.e. say if its in 3rd sector the delay will be

moderated in 2nd sector.

>

> Now here Ju is checking delay of Sa but we need to check the status

of Guru first. If Guru is in sign of Sa or nakshtra of Sa or if its

in libra then it cant check delay of Sa as itself is in the grasp of

Sa.

>

> Now there is also a law which says that if the delay causing planet

is LoD or LoE or that matter with our example here the delay causing

planet is Sa and if Sa's antra comes then it will give the result in

the first sector.

>

> I hope this helps,

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash

>

> " Rajesh M. Kumaria " <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

>

> Dear Manu

>

> Thanks for your clarifications. Here's what I tried further using

> Navamsha chakra, for the native mentioned earlier on.

>

> Navamsa Ascendent(using Krushna Ayanamsha) : Gemini

>

> Venus in Cancer in 2nd house

>

> Sun in Leo in 3rd house

>

> mars and moon in libra in 5th house

>

> ketu in scorpio in 6th house

>

> Saturn® and Mercury in Aquarius in 9th house

>

> Jupiter® in Aries in 11th house

>

> Rahu in Taurus in 12th house

>

> With 11th house as House B, the Lords of A, B, C are Mars(Scorpio),

> Mars(Aries) and

>

> Sun(Leo) while houses D and E Lords are Saturn(Capricorn) and

> Mercury(Virgo).

>

> Saturn Aspects 3rd Lord Sun and Ketu in Scorpio. Ketu being in

> Scorpio wil act like Mars.

>

> So Saturn does aspect lords of A and C here. ALso Jupiter aspects

> Sun and Mars & Moon. So Jupiter aspects lords of houses B and

> A..since Amrs is both lord of Aries(B) and scorpio(A).

>

> So looks like Saturn's influence on Sun and Ketu are encountered by

> jupiter's influence on Sun and Mars in Navamsha.

>

> So does that mean that Saturn is no longer effective in Navamsha

and

> rashi chakra shows strong jupiter's influence on Venus(lord of D in

> rashi) and Hence Venus will be eager to give results in first one -

> third of its period? If I am right, then can you please let me know

> how to proceed further as far as Sun's transits are concerned in

> order to get a better timing here?

>

> Here's the chart and other details, if needed, for the

> native.Actually I am the native myself here.

>

> Thanks and Regards

>

> RMK

>

November 13, 2004

Dear Rajesh,

There is no delay so where is the question of Ju not being able to

control the delay for 11th house. Saturn is not aspecting Mars (LoC)

for 11th house either in Rasi or Navamsa. So there is no delay due

to Sa. Now 11th house is income, friends etc. There is 1 zero due

to Sa in 8th house. So better 11th house results in 2nd sector.

Venus has less points for 3rd, 6th and 10th house. It has highest

points for 11th house. So there either is some change in job or

person will have some changes. You will make good income as compared

to your effort but there will be some stress also. You may feel

things are not going your way. Sa + Ju points are 7 right now.

Are you into some contract type of work ?

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " Rajesh M. Kumaria "

<rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

>

> Dear Ash

> Thanks for these detailed clarifications. I have learned several

> important things in last few weeks sofar from lessons and your

> replies. Now I am somewhat still entangled here, while Jupiter

tries

> to control delays caused by Saturn(native's case) and Venus with

high

> points for varius houses is eager to give good results for 11th

> house, being Lord of 'E " house(4th) and Saturn/Venus period has

> started from 10/14/2004 for next 3 years. Now Since Jupiter is in

> Capricorn and so it will be unable to control delays due to Saturn,

> so does it mean that the native will have to wait for last one-

third

> period of Saturn/Venus to get some good income? If so, then that

> means two more years from now, and so what role does Lords of D and

E

> play here, since Lord of E's antardasha is running here(just

started).

> can Lord of E control Saturn's delays in its own antardasha?

>

> Hope you can throw some light here.Actually I am the native myself

> here and the chart is atached below.

> Thanks and regards

> Rajesh.

>

> Natal Chart

>

> July 20, 1961

> Time: 21:50:00

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 80 E 55' 00 " , 26 N 51' 00 "

> Lucknow, India

> Altitude: 0.00 meters

>

> Lunar Yr-Mo: Plava - Ashadha

> Tithi: Sukla Ashtami (Ra) (77.88% left)

> Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)

> Nakshatra: Chitra (Ma) (34.69% left)

> Yoga: Siddha (Ke)

> Karana: Vishti (Sa)

> Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)

> Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Sg)

> Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun)

>

> Sunrise: 5:28:21

> Sunset: 18:56:36

> Janma Ghatis: 40.9022

>

> Ayanamsa: 22-18-30.15

> Sidereal Time: 17:36:29

>

> Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

>

> Lagna 29 Aq 29' 51.10 " PBha 3 Aq Ge

> Sun - PK 5 Cn 23' 16.09 " Push 1 Cn Le

> Moon - DK 2 Li 02' 30.54 " Chit 3 Li Li

> Mars - BK 20 Le 41' 39.95 " PPha 3 Le Li

> Mercury - MK 15 Ge 12' 52.84 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq

> Jupiter ® - PiK 10 Cp 32' 24.03 " Srav 1 Cp Ar

> Venus - AmK 22 Ta 09' 37.35 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

> Saturn ® - GK 4 Cp 08' 19.27 " USha 3 Cp Aq

> Rahu - AK 6 Le 24' 26.29 " Makh 2 Le Ta

> Ketu 6 Aq 24' 26.29 " Dhan 4 Aq Sc

> Maandi 20 Ta 45' 37.33 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

> Gulika 10 Ta 30' 07.06 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> Bhava Lagna 10 Pi 09' 00.40 " UBha 3 Pi Li

> Hora Lagna 15 Sc 33' 47.09 " Anu 4 Sc Sc

> Ghati Lagna 1 Sg 48' 07.15 " Mool 1 Sg Ar

> Vighati Lagna 22 Aq 59' 47.45 " PBha 1 Aq Ar

> Varnada Lagna 29 Vi 29' 51.10 " Aswi 1 Vi Ta

> Sree Lagna 24 Li 37' 35.62 " Visa 2 Li Ta

> Dhooma 18 Sc 43' 16.09 " Jye 1 Sc Sg

> Vyatipata 11 Le 16' 43.91 " Makh 4 Le Cn

> Parivesha 11 Aq 16' 43.91 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

> Indra Chapa 18 Ta 43' 16.09 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> Upaketu 5 Ge 23' 16.09 " Mrig 4 Ge Sc

> Kaala 27 Ge 09' 07.68 " Puna 3 Ge Ge

> Mrityu 10 Aq 48' 44.12 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

> Artha Prahara 7 Pi 56' 48.24 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

> Yama Ghantaka 5 Ar 03' 07.63 " Aswi 2 Ar Ta

>

> +--------------+

> | | |Ve Md |Me |

> | | |Gk | |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |As Ke | |Su |

> | | | |

> |-----------| Rasi |-----------|

> |JuR SaR | |Ma Ra |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |GL AL |HL |Mo | |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

>

> +--------------+

> | |JuR GL |Ra |As |

> | |Gk | | |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Me SaR | |Ve Md |

> | | | |

> |-----------| Navamsa |-----------|

> | | |Su |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> | | |AL | |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

>

> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

>

> Mars Mars 1956-12-24 Rah 1957-05-22 Jup 1958-06-09

> Sat 1959-05-16 Merc 1960-06-24 Ket 1961-06-21

> Ven 1961-11-17 Sun 1963-01-17 Moon 1963-05-25

> Rah Rah 1963-12-24 Jup 1966-09-05 Sat 1969-01-29

> Merc 1971-12-06 Ket 1974-06-24 Ven 1975-07-13

> Sun 1978-07-13 Moon 1979-06-06 Mars 1980-12-05

> Jup Jup 1981-12-24 Sat 1984-02-11 Merc 1986-08-24

> Ket 1988-11-29 Ven 1989-11-05 Sun 1992-07-06

> Moon 1993-04-24 Mars 1994-08-24 Rah 1995-07-31

> Sat Sat 1997-12-23 Merc 2000-12-26 Ket 2003-09-05

> Ven 2004-10-14 Sun 2007-12-15 Moon 2008-11-26

> Mars 2010-06-27 Rah 2011-08-06 Jup 2014-06-12

> Merc Merc 2016-12-23 Ket 2019-05-22 Ven 2020-05-18

> Sun 2023-03-19 Moon 2024-01-23 Mars 2025-06-24

> Rah 2026-06-21 Jup 2029-01-07 Sat 2031-04-15

> Ket Ket 2033-12-23 Ven 2034-05-21 Sun 2035-07-21

> Moon 2035-11-26 Mars 2036-06-26 Rah 2036-11-23

> Jup 2037-12-11 Sat 2038-11-17 Merc 2039-12-27

> Ven Ven 2040-12-23 Sun 2044-04-23 Moon 2045-04-24

> Mars 2046-12-23 Rah 2048-02-22 Jup 2051-02-22

> Sat 2053-10-23 Merc 2056-12-23 Ket 2059-10-24

> Sun Sun 2060-12-23 Moon 2061-04-11 Mars 2061-10-11

> Rah 2062-02-16 Jup 2063-01-11 Sat 2063-10-30

> Merc 2064-10-11 Ket 2065-08-17 Ven 2065-12-23

> Moon Moon 2066-12-23 Mars 2067-10-24 Rah 2068-05-24

> Jup 2069-11-23 Sat 2071-03-24 Merc 2072-10-23

> Ket 2074-03-24 Ven 2074-10-23 Sun 2076-06-23

>

> , Ash

> wrote:

> > Dear Rajesh,

> >

> > When Sa aspects lords of Houes A or LoA and LoB or House B and

> LoC or House C in Rasi, or LoA,LoB or LoC in Navamsa i.e. all 3

> houses or lords are affected then there is full delay i.e. last

> sector in which the event will take place. Now here the delay

> causing planet becomes Sa. Now if Sa is aspected by Jupiter then

> delayed is moderated i.e. say if its in 3rd sector the delay will

be

> moderated in 2nd sector.

> >

> > Now here Ju is checking delay of Sa but we need to check the

status

> of Guru first. If Guru is in sign of Sa or nakshtra of Sa or if

its

> in libra then it cant check delay of Sa as itself is in the grasp

of

> Sa.

> >

> > Now there is also a law which says that if the delay causing

planet

> is LoD or LoE or that matter with our example here the delay

causing

> planet is Sa and if Sa's antra comes then it will give the result

in

> the first sector.

> >

> > I hope this helps,

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash

> >

> > " Rajesh M. Kumaria " <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Manu

> >

> > Thanks for your clarifications. Here's what I tried further using

> > Navamsha chakra, for the native mentioned earlier on.

> >

> > Navamsa Ascendent(using Krushna Ayanamsha) : Gemini

> >

> > Venus in Cancer in 2nd house

> >

> > Sun in Leo in 3rd house

> >

> > mars and moon in libra in 5th house

> >

> > ketu in scorpio in 6th house

> >

> > Saturn® and Mercury in Aquarius in 9th house

> >

> > Jupiter® in Aries in 11th house

> >

> > Rahu in Taurus in 12th house

> >

> > With 11th house as House B, the Lords of A, B, C are Mars

(Scorpio),

> > Mars(Aries) and

> >

> > Sun(Leo) while houses D and E Lords are Saturn(Capricorn) and

> > Mercury(Virgo).

> >

> > Saturn Aspects 3rd Lord Sun and Ketu in Scorpio. Ketu being in

> > Scorpio wil act like Mars.

> >

> > So Saturn does aspect lords of A and C here. ALso Jupiter aspects

> > Sun and Mars & Moon. So Jupiter aspects lords of houses B and

> > A..since Amrs is both lord of Aries(B) and scorpio(A).

> >

> > So looks like Saturn's influence on Sun and Ketu are encountered

by

> > jupiter's influence on Sun and Mars in Navamsha.

> >

> > So does that mean that Saturn is no longer effective in Navamsha

> and

> > rashi chakra shows strong jupiter's influence on Venus(lord of D

in

> > rashi) and Hence Venus will be eager to give results in first

one -

> > third of its period? If I am right, then can you please let me

know

> > how to proceed further as far as Sun's transits are concerned in

> > order to get a better timing here?

> >

> > Here's the chart and other details, if needed, for the

> > native.Actually I am the native myself here.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> >

> > RMK

> >

November 13, 2004

Dear Ash

Thanks for your analysis. Yes I was in contract work for eight weeks

or so in last sector of Saturn/Ketu, after a long expensive

unemployment period(Saturn/Mercury). Now again looking for new

opportunities for last several weeks. Your previous prediction of

getting job in third sector of Saturn/Ketu was correct(June 2004 to

November2004 period) and infact the job started in August2004. Now

Saturn/Venus has started from Oct14, 2004 and I again entangled in

new job search. Yes things are not going right my way, since I seem

to have missed few good opportunities due to unknown mysterious

reasons.

You are right that Saturn does not aspect Mars(actually I thought

that even of houses A, B or C are aspected by Saturn, then it can

cause delays..i should have focussed on Lords of these houses

rather)...But now Saturn appears to aspect Lord of A(Cancer)Moon in

Rashi and Lord of C(Leo) Sun in Navamsha,as far as 11th house is

concerned..so may this is the reason for delay?

Thanks for your efforts

Rajesh.

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73> wrote:

>

> Dear Rajesh,

>

> There is no delay so where is the question of Ju not being able to

> control the delay for 11th house. Saturn is not aspecting Mars

(LoC)

> for 11th house either in Rasi or Navamsa. So there is no delay due

> to Sa. Now 11th house is income, friends etc. There is 1 zero

due

> to Sa in 8th house. So better 11th house results in 2nd sector.

>

> Venus has less points for 3rd, 6th and 10th house. It has highest

> points for 11th house. So there either is some change in job or

> person will have some changes. You will make good income as

compared

> to your effort but there will be some stress also. You may feel

> things are not going your way. Sa + Ju points are 7 right now.

>

> Are you into some contract type of work ?

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " Rajesh M.

Kumaria "

> <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash

> > Thanks for these detailed clarifications. I have learned several

> > important things in last few weeks sofar from lessons and your

> > replies. Now I am somewhat still entangled here, while Jupiter

> tries

> > to control delays caused by Saturn(native's case) and Venus with

> high

> > points for varius houses is eager to give good results for 11th

> > house, being Lord of 'E " house(4th) and Saturn/Venus period has

> > started from 10/14/2004 for next 3 years. Now Since Jupiter is in

> > Capricorn and so it will be unable to control delays due to

Saturn,

> > so does it mean that the native will have to wait for last one-

> third

> > period of Saturn/Venus to get some good income? If so, then that

> > means two more years from now, and so what role does Lords of D

and

> E

> > play here, since Lord of E's antardasha is running here(just

> started).

> > can Lord of E control Saturn's delays in its own antardasha?

> >

> > Hope you can throw some light here.Actually I am the native

myself

> > here and the chart is atached below.

> > Thanks and regards

> > Rajesh.

> >

> > Natal Chart

> >

> > July 20, 1961

> > Time: 21:50:00

> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > Place: 80 E 55' 00 " , 26 N 51' 00 "

> > Lucknow, India

> > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> >

> > Lunar Yr-Mo: Plava - Ashadha

> > Tithi: Sukla Ashtami (Ra) (77.88% left)

> > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)

> > Nakshatra: Chitra (Ma) (34.69% left)

> > Yoga: Siddha (Ke)

> > Karana: Vishti (Sa)

> > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)

> > Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Sg)

> > Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun)

> >

> > Sunrise: 5:28:21

> > Sunset: 18:56:36

> > Janma Ghatis: 40.9022

> >

> > Ayanamsa: 22-18-30.15

> > Sidereal Time: 17:36:29

> >

> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> >

> > Lagna 29 Aq 29' 51.10 " PBha 3 Aq Ge

> > Sun - PK 5 Cn 23' 16.09 " Push 1 Cn Le

> > Moon - DK 2 Li 02' 30.54 " Chit 3 Li Li

> > Mars - BK 20 Le 41' 39.95 " PPha 3 Le Li

> > Mercury - MK 15 Ge 12' 52.84 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq

> > Jupiter ® - PiK 10 Cp 32' 24.03 " Srav 1 Cp Ar

> > Venus - AmK 22 Ta 09' 37.35 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

> > Saturn ® - GK 4 Cp 08' 19.27 " USha 3 Cp Aq

> > Rahu - AK 6 Le 24' 26.29 " Makh 2 Le Ta

> > Ketu 6 Aq 24' 26.29 " Dhan 4 Aq Sc

> > Maandi 20 Ta 45' 37.33 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

> > Gulika 10 Ta 30' 07.06 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> > Bhava Lagna 10 Pi 09' 00.40 " UBha 3 Pi Li

> > Hora Lagna 15 Sc 33' 47.09 " Anu 4 Sc Sc

> > Ghati Lagna 1 Sg 48' 07.15 " Mool 1 Sg Ar

> > Vighati Lagna 22 Aq 59' 47.45 " PBha 1 Aq Ar

> > Varnada Lagna 29 Vi 29' 51.10 " Aswi 1 Vi Ta

> > Sree Lagna 24 Li 37' 35.62 " Visa 2 Li Ta

> > Dhooma 18 Sc 43' 16.09 " Jye 1 Sc Sg

> > Vyatipata 11 Le 16' 43.91 " Makh 4 Le Cn

> > Parivesha 11 Aq 16' 43.91 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

> > Indra Chapa 18 Ta 43' 16.09 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> > Upaketu 5 Ge 23' 16.09 " Mrig 4 Ge Sc

> > Kaala 27 Ge 09' 07.68 " Puna 3 Ge Ge

> > Mrityu 10 Aq 48' 44.12 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

> > Artha Prahara 7 Pi 56' 48.24 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

> > Yama Ghantaka 5 Ar 03' 07.63 " Aswi 2 Ar Ta

> >

> > +--------------+

> > | | |Ve Md |Me |

> > | | |Gk | |

> > | | | | |

> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > |As Ke | |Su |

> > | | | |

> > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|

> > |JuR SaR | |Ma Ra |

> > | | | |

> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > |GL AL |HL |Mo | |

> > | | | | |

> > +--------------+

> >

> > +--------------+

> > | |JuR GL |Ra |As |

> > | |Gk | | |

> > | | | | |

> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > |Me SaR | |Ve Md |

> > | | | |

> > |-----------| Navamsa |-----------|

> > | | |Su |

> > | | | |

> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > | | |AL | |

> > | | | | |

> > +--------------+

> >

> > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> >

> > Mars Mars 1956-12-24 Rah 1957-05-22 Jup 1958-06-09

> > Sat 1959-05-16 Merc 1960-06-24 Ket 1961-06-21

> > Ven 1961-11-17 Sun 1963-01-17 Moon 1963-05-25

> > Rah Rah 1963-12-24 Jup 1966-09-05 Sat 1969-01-29

> > Merc 1971-12-06 Ket 1974-06-24 Ven 1975-07-13

> > Sun 1978-07-13 Moon 1979-06-06 Mars 1980-12-05

> > Jup Jup 1981-12-24 Sat 1984-02-11 Merc 1986-08-24

> > Ket 1988-11-29 Ven 1989-11-05 Sun 1992-07-06

> > Moon 1993-04-24 Mars 1994-08-24 Rah 1995-07-31

> > Sat Sat 1997-12-23 Merc 2000-12-26 Ket 2003-09-05

> > Ven 2004-10-14 Sun 2007-12-15 Moon 2008-11-26

> > Mars 2010-06-27 Rah 2011-08-06 Jup 2014-06-12

> > Merc Merc 2016-12-23 Ket 2019-05-22 Ven 2020-05-18

> > Sun 2023-03-19 Moon 2024-01-23 Mars 2025-06-24

> > Rah 2026-06-21 Jup 2029-01-07 Sat 2031-04-15

> > Ket Ket 2033-12-23 Ven 2034-05-21 Sun 2035-07-21

> > Moon 2035-11-26 Mars 2036-06-26 Rah 2036-11-23

> > Jup 2037-12-11 Sat 2038-11-17 Merc 2039-12-27

> > Ven Ven 2040-12-23 Sun 2044-04-23 Moon 2045-04-24

> > Mars 2046-12-23 Rah 2048-02-22 Jup 2051-02-22

> > Sat 2053-10-23 Merc 2056-12-23 Ket 2059-10-24

> > Sun Sun 2060-12-23 Moon 2061-04-11 Mars 2061-10-11

> > Rah 2062-02-16 Jup 2063-01-11 Sat 2063-10-30

> > Merc 2064-10-11 Ket 2065-08-17 Ven 2065-12-23

> > Moon Moon 2066-12-23 Mars 2067-10-24 Rah 2068-05-24

> > Jup 2069-11-23 Sat 2071-03-24 Merc 2072-10-23

> > Ket 2074-03-24 Ven 2074-10-23 Sun 2076-06-23

> >

> > , Ash

> <ashsam73>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Rajesh,

> > >

> > > When Sa aspects lords of Houes A or LoA and LoB or House B

and

> > LoC or House C in Rasi, or LoA,LoB or LoC in Navamsa i.e. all 3

> > houses or lords are affected then there is full delay i.e. last

> > sector in which the event will take place. Now here the delay

> > causing planet becomes Sa. Now if Sa is aspected by Jupiter

then

> > delayed is moderated i.e. say if its in 3rd sector the delay will

> be

> > moderated in 2nd sector.

> > >

> > > Now here Ju is checking delay of Sa but we need to check the

> status

> > of Guru first. If Guru is in sign of Sa or nakshtra of Sa or if

> its

> > in libra then it cant check delay of Sa as itself is in the grasp

> of

> > Sa.

> > >

> > > Now there is also a law which says that if the delay causing

> planet

> > is LoD or LoE or that matter with our example here the delay

> causing

> > planet is Sa and if Sa's antra comes then it will give the result

> in

> > the first sector.

> > >

> > > I hope this helps,

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > >

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > " Rajesh M. Kumaria " <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Manu

> > >

> > > Thanks for your clarifications. Here's what I tried further

using

> > > Navamsha chakra, for the native mentioned earlier on.

> > >

> > > Navamsa Ascendent(using Krushna Ayanamsha) : Gemini

> > >

> > > Venus in Cancer in 2nd house

> > >

> > > Sun in Leo in 3rd house

> > >

> > > mars and moon in libra in 5th house

> > >

> > > ketu in scorpio in 6th house

> > >

> > > Saturn® and Mercury in Aquarius in 9th house

> > >

> > > Jupiter® in Aries in 11th house

> > >

> > > Rahu in Taurus in 12th house

> > >

> > > With 11th house as House B, the Lords of A, B, C are Mars

> (Scorpio),

> > > Mars(Aries) and

> > >

> > > Sun(Leo) while houses D and E Lords are Saturn(Capricorn) and

> > > Mercury(Virgo).

> > >

> > > Saturn Aspects 3rd Lord Sun and Ketu in Scorpio. Ketu being in

> > > Scorpio wil act like Mars.

> > >

> > > So Saturn does aspect lords of A and C here. ALso Jupiter

aspects

> > > Sun and Mars & Moon. So Jupiter aspects lords of houses B and

> > > A..since Amrs is both lord of Aries(B) and scorpio(A).

> > >

> > > So looks like Saturn's influence on Sun and Ketu are

encountered

> by

> > > jupiter's influence on Sun and Mars in Navamsha.

> > >

> > > So does that mean that Saturn is no longer effective in

Navamsha

> > and

> > > rashi chakra shows strong jupiter's influence on Venus(lord of

D

> in

> > > rashi) and Hence Venus will be eager to give results in first

> one -

> > > third of its period? If I am right, then can you please let me

> know

> > > how to proceed further as far as Sun's transits are concerned

in

> > > order to get a better timing here?

> > >

> > > Here's the chart and other details, if needed, for the

> > > native.Actually I am the native myself here.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > >

> > > RMK

> > >

November 14, 2004

Dear Rajesh,

Yes, there was a reason why I pointed out 6th, 10th and 3rd. 6th house having low points could indiciate some lack of happiness in job. The reason I asked about contract job is due to the fact that there seems to be good income or will be but could be various changes in job (contract) meaning that change in boss, place of work etc. This can be viewed as change in job. The reason could be any. Some people can get fired or for some people in contracting work maybe their contract ends (or pre maturely ends) and reason could be that client does not have enough budget or its just that the work they hired a contractor is finished. Here I am not looking at this only from timing view point.

Returns (income) for you would be good and you will also have good savings. This resistace you are feeling could be due to the total points of Sa+Ju being less than 8.

Status of Venus is good. Venus is SD to Functional Karak for 11th. ITs in House D with more points for 7th house so eager to give dincharya. ITs also LoD for 12th house so it may give u some travel or might get a contract which requires travel. Its eager to give 11th.

But there is 1 zero and that is causing delay for your 6th house. Now you are running Sa/Ve so 19*20/10 = 38 months period. So each sector is 12 months 20 days. So in the 2nd sector things should ease up and things should flow more smoothly. In the mean time more effort will be required in the 1st sector. Now in the same breath it does not mean that you cannot get anything in 1st sector but more effort will be required.

You might get some news or some prospect on Dec 20 - Dec 23 - 2004. I would love feedback from you regarding these dates.

2nd dates I will give is Jan 11th thru 13th.

The feeback will help me in my learnings.

All the best.

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash

"Rajesh M. Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000 wrote:

Dear AshThanks for your analysis. Yes I was in contract work for eight weeks or so in last sector of Saturn/Ketu, after a long expensive unemployment period(Saturn/Mercury). Now again looking for new opportunities for last several weeks. Your previous prediction of getting job in third sector of Saturn/Ketu was correct(June 2004 to November2004 period) and infact the job started in August2004. Now Saturn/Venus has started from Oct14, 2004 and I again entangled in new job search. Yes things are not going right my way, since I seem to have missed few good opportunities due to unknown mysterious reasons.You are right that Saturn does not aspect Mars(actually I thought that even of houses A, B or C are aspected by Saturn, then it can cause delays..i should have focussed on Lords of these houses rather)...But now Saturn

appears to aspect Lord of A(Cancer)Moon in Rashi and Lord of C(Leo) Sun in Navamsha,as far as 11th house is concerned..so may this is the reason for delay?Thanks for your effortsRajesh. , "ashsam73" wrote:> > Dear Rajesh,> > There is no delay so where is the question of Ju not being able to > control the delay for 11th house. Saturn is not aspecting Mars (LoC) > for 11th house either in Rasi or Navamsa. So there is no delay due > to Sa. Now 11th house is income, friends etc. There is 1 zero due > to Sa in 8th house. So better 11th house results in 2nd sector. > > Venus has less points for 3rd, 6th and 10th house. It has highest > points for 11th house. So there either is some change in job or > person will have some changes. You will make good income as compared > to your effort but there will

be some stress also. You may feel > things are not going your way. Sa + Ju points are 7 right now. > > Are you into some contract type of work ?> > Cheers !!!> Ash> > > , "Rajesh M. Kumaria" > wrote:> > > > Dear Ash> > Thanks for these detailed clarifications. I have learned several > > important things in last few weeks sofar from lessons and your > > replies. Now I am somewhat still entangled here, while Jupiter > tries > > to control delays caused by Saturn(native's case) and Venus with > high > > points for varius houses is eager to give good results for 11th > > house, being Lord of 'E" house(4th) and Saturn/Venus period has > > started from 10/14/2004 for next 3 years. Now Since Jupiter is in > > Capricorn and so it will

be unable to control delays due to Saturn, > > so does it mean that the native will have to wait for last one-> third > > period of Saturn/Venus to get some good income? If so, then that > > means two more years from now, and so what role does Lords of D and > E > > play here, since Lord of E's antardasha is running here(just > started).> > can Lord of E control Saturn's delays in its own antardasha?> > > > Hope you can throw some light here.Actually I am the native myself > > here and the chart is atached below.> > Thanks and regards> > Rajesh.> > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > July 20, 1961> > Time: 21:50:00> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > Place: 80 E 55' 00", 26 N 51' 00"> > Lucknow, India> > Altitude: 0.00 meters> >

> > Lunar Yr-Mo: Plava - Ashadha> > Tithi: Sukla Ashtami (Ra) (77.88% left)> > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)> > Nakshatra: Chitra (Ma) (34.69% left)> > Yoga: Siddha (Ke)> > Karana: Vishti (Sa)> > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)> > Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Sg)> > Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun)> > > > Sunrise: 5:28:21> > Sunset: 18:56:36> > Janma Ghatis: 40.9022> > > > Ayanamsa: 22-18-30.15> > Sidereal Time: 17:36:29> > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> > > > Lagna 29 Aq 29' 51.10" PBha 3 Aq Ge> > Sun - PK 5 Cn 23' 16.09" Push 1 Cn Le> > Moon - DK 2 Li 02' 30.54" Chit 3 Li Li> > Mars - BK 20 Le 41' 39.95" PPha 3 Le Li> > Mercury - MK 15 Ge 12' 52.84" Ardr 3 Ge Aq> > Jupiter ® - PiK 10 Cp 32' 24.03" Srav 1 Cp

Ar> > Venus - AmK 22 Ta 09' 37.35" Rohi 4 Ta Cn> > Saturn ® - GK 4 Cp 08' 19.27" USha 3 Cp Aq> > Rahu - AK 6 Le 24' 26.29" Makh 2 Le Ta> > Ketu 6 Aq 24' 26.29" Dhan 4 Aq Sc> > Maandi 20 Ta 45' 37.33" Rohi 4 Ta Cn> > Gulika 10 Ta 30' 07.06" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> > Bhava Lagna 10 Pi 09' 00.40" UBha 3 Pi Li> > Hora Lagna 15 Sc 33' 47.09" Anu 4 Sc Sc> > Ghati Lagna 1 Sg 48' 07.15" Mool 1 Sg Ar> > Vighati Lagna 22 Aq 59' 47.45" PBha 1 Aq Ar> > Varnada Lagna 29 Vi 29' 51.10" Aswi 1 Vi Ta> > Sree Lagna 24 Li 37' 35.62" Visa 2 Li Ta> > Dhooma 18 Sc 43' 16.09" Jye 1 Sc Sg> > Vyatipata 11 Le 16' 43.91" Makh 4 Le Cn> > Parivesha 11 Aq 16' 43.91" Sata 2 Aq Cp> > Indra Chapa 18 Ta 43' 16.09" Rohi 3 Ta Ge> > Upaketu 5 Ge 23' 16.09" Mrig 4 Ge Sc> > Kaala 27 Ge 09' 07.68" Puna 3 Ge Ge> > Mrityu 10 Aq 48' 44.12" Sata 2

Aq Cp> > Artha Prahara 7 Pi 56' 48.24" UBha 2 Pi Vi> > Yama Ghantaka 5 Ar 03' 07.63" Aswi 2 Ar Ta> > > > +--------------+> > | | |Ve Md |Me |> > | | |Gk | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |As Ke | |Su |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> > |JuR SaR | |Ma Ra |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |GL AL |HL |Mo | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > +--------------+> > > > +--------------+> >

| |JuR GL |Ra |As |> > | |Gk | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Me SaR | |Ve Md |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------| Navamsa |-----------|> > | | |Su |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > | |Ke HL |Mo Ma | |> > | | |AL | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > +--------------+> > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):> > > > Mars Mars 1956-12-24 Rah 1957-05-22 Jup 1958-06-09 > > Sat 1959-05-16 Merc 1960-06-24 Ket 1961-06-21 > > Ven 1961-11-17 Sun 1963-01-17 Moon 1963-05-25 > > Rah Rah 1963-12-24

Jup 1966-09-05 Sat 1969-01-29 > > Merc 1971-12-06 Ket 1974-06-24 Ven 1975-07-13 > > Sun 1978-07-13 Moon 1979-06-06 Mars 1980-12-05 > > Jup Jup 1981-12-24 Sat 1984-02-11 Merc 1986-08-24 > > Ket 1988-11-29 Ven 1989-11-05 Sun 1992-07-06 > > Moon 1993-04-24 Mars 1994-08-24 Rah 1995-07-31 > > Sat Sat 1997-12-23 Merc 2000-12-26 Ket 2003-09-05 > > Ven 2004-10-14 Sun 2007-12-15 Moon 2008-11-26 > > Mars 2010-06-27 Rah 2011-08-06 Jup 2014-06-12 > > Merc Merc 2016-12-23 Ket 2019-05-22 Ven 2020-05-18 > > Sun 2023-03-19 Moon 2024-01-23 Mars 2025-06-24 > > Rah 2026-06-21 Jup 2029-01-07 Sat 2031-04-15 > > Ket Ket 2033-12-23 Ven 2034-05-21 Sun 2035-07-21 > > Moon 2035-11-26 Mars 2036-06-26 Rah 2036-11-23 > > Jup 2037-12-11 Sat 2038-11-17 Merc 2039-12-27 > > Ven Ven 2040-12-23 Sun 2044-04-23 Moon 2045-04-24 > > Mars 2046-12-23 Rah 2048-02-22

Jup 2051-02-22 > > Sat 2053-10-23 Merc 2056-12-23 Ket 2059-10-24 > > Sun Sun 2060-12-23 Moon 2061-04-11 Mars 2061-10-11 > > Rah 2062-02-16 Jup 2063-01-11 Sat 2063-10-30 > > Merc 2064-10-11 Ket 2065-08-17 Ven 2065-12-23 > > Moon Moon 2066-12-23 Mars 2067-10-24 Rah 2068-05-24 > > Jup 2069-11-23 Sat 2071-03-24 Merc 2072-10-23 > > Ket 2074-03-24 Ven 2074-10-23 Sun 2076-06-23 > > > > > > > > , Ash > > > wrote:> > > Dear Rajesh,> > > > > > When Sa aspects lords of Houes A or LoA and LoB or House B and > > LoC or House C in Rasi, or LoA,LoB or LoC in Navamsa i.e. all 3 > > houses or lords are affected then there is full delay i.e. last > > sector in which the event will take place. Now here the delay > > causing planet

becomes Sa. Now if Sa is aspected by Jupiter then > > delayed is moderated i.e. say if its in 3rd sector the delay will > be > > moderated in 2nd sector.> > > > > > Now here Ju is checking delay of Sa but we need to check the > status > > of Guru first. If Guru is in sign of Sa or nakshtra of Sa or if > its > > in libra then it cant check delay of Sa as itself is in the grasp > of > > Sa.> > > > > > Now there is also a law which says that if the delay causing > planet > > is LoD or LoE or that matter with our example here the delay > causing > > planet is Sa and if Sa's antra comes then it will give the result > in > > the first sector.> > > > > > I hope this helps,> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > Ash> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > "Rajesh M. Kumaria" wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear Manu> > > > > > Thanks for your clarifications. Here's what I tried further using > > > Navamsha chakra, for the native mentioned earlier on.> > > > > > Navamsa Ascendent(using Krushna Ayanamsha) : Gemini> > > > > > Venus in Cancer in 2nd house> > > > > > Sun in Leo in 3rd house> > > > > > mars and moon in libra in 5th house> > > > > > ketu in scorpio in 6th house> > > > > > Saturn® and Mercury in Aquarius in 9th house> > > > > > Jupiter® in Aries in 11th house> > > > > > Rahu in Taurus in 12th house> > > > > > With 11th

house as House B, the Lords of A, B, C are Mars> (Scorpio), > > > Mars(Aries) and> > > > > > Sun(Leo) while houses D and E Lords are Saturn(Capricorn) and > > > Mercury(Virgo).> > > > > > Saturn Aspects 3rd Lord Sun and Ketu in Scorpio. Ketu being in > > > Scorpio wil act like Mars. > > > > > > So Saturn does aspect lords of A and C here. ALso Jupiter aspects > > > Sun and Mars & Moon. So Jupiter aspects lords of houses B and > > > A..since Amrs is both lord of Aries(B) and scorpio(A). > > > > > > So looks like Saturn's influence on Sun and Ketu are encountered > by > > > jupiter's influence on Sun and Mars in Navamsha.> > > > > > So does that mean that Saturn is no longer effective in Navamsha > > and > > > rashi chakra shows

strong jupiter's influence on Venus(lord of D > in > > > rashi) and Hence Venus will be eager to give results in first > one -> > > third of its period? If I am right, then can you please let me > know > > > how to proceed further as far as Sun's transits are concerned in > > > order to get a better timing here?> > > > > > Here's the chart and other details, if needed, for the > > > native.Actually I am the native myself here.> > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > > RMK> > > > > > > > >

November 16, 2004

Dear Ash

Thanks for your analysis. I will certianly make more efforts and keep

you posted about any new developments. Did you get the new dates

using Sun's transits (Dec20, 2004/Jan11 2005 dates)? Well I am still

learning the concepts here..actually I lost track of the lesson in

which Sun's transit timing techniques are mentioned. I do not know

which lesson it was...

Thanks

Rajesh.

, Ash <ashsam73>

wrote:

> Dear Rajesh,

> Yes, there was a reason why I pointed out 6th, 10th and 3rd. 6th

house having low points could indiciate some lack of happiness in

job. The reason I asked about contract job is due to the fact that

there seems to be good income or will be but could be various changes

in job (contract) meaning that change in boss, place of work etc.

This can be viewed as change in job. The reason could be any. Some

people can get fired or for some people in contracting work maybe

their contract ends (or pre maturely ends) and reason could be that

client does not have enough budget or its just that the work they

hired a contractor is finished. Here I am not looking at this only

from timing view point.

>

> Returns (income) for you would be good and you will also have good

savings. This resistace you are feeling could be due to the total

points of Sa+Ju being less than 8.

>

> Status of Venus is good. Venus is SD to Functional Karak for

11th. ITs in House D with more points for 7th house so eager to give

dincharya. ITs also LoD for 12th house so it may give u some travel

or might get a contract which requires travel. Its eager to give

11th.

>

> But there is 1 zero and that is causing delay for your 6th house.

Now you are running Sa/Ve so 19*20/10 = 38 months period. So each

sector is 12 months 20 days. So in the 2nd sector things should ease

up and things should flow more smoothly. In the mean time more

effort will be required in the 1st sector. Now in the same breath it

does not mean that you cannot get anything in 1st sector but more

effort will be required.

>

> You might get some news or some prospect on Dec 20 - Dec 23 -

2004. I would love feedback from you regarding these dates.

>

> 2nd dates I will give is Jan 11th thru 13th.

>

> The feeback will help me in my learnings.

>

> All the best.

> Thanks,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> " Rajesh M. Kumaria " <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

>

> Dear Ash

> Thanks for your analysis. Yes I was in contract work for eight

weeks

> or so in last sector of Saturn/Ketu, after a long expensive

> unemployment period(Saturn/Mercury). Now again looking for new

> opportunities for last several weeks. Your previous prediction of

> getting job in third sector of Saturn/Ketu was correct(June 2004 to

> November2004 period) and infact the job started in August2004. Now

> Saturn/Venus has started from Oct14, 2004 and I again entangled in

> new job search. Yes things are not going right my way, since I seem

> to have missed few good opportunities due to unknown mysterious

> reasons.

>

> You are right that Saturn does not aspect Mars(actually I thought

> that even of houses A, B or C are aspected by Saturn, then it can

> cause delays..i should have focussed on Lords of these houses

> rather)...But now Saturn appears to aspect Lord of A(Cancer)Moon in

> Rashi and Lord of C(Leo) Sun in Navamsha,as far as 11th house is

> concerned..so may this is the reason for delay?

> Thanks for your efforts

> Rajesh.

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rajesh,

> >

> > There is no delay so where is the question of Ju not being able

to

> > control the delay for 11th house. Saturn is not aspecting Mars

> (LoC)

> > for 11th house either in Rasi or Navamsa. So there is no delay

due

> > to Sa. Now 11th house is income, friends etc. There is 1 zero

> due

> > to Sa in 8th house. So better 11th house results in 2nd sector.

> >

> > Venus has less points for 3rd, 6th and 10th house. It has highest

> > points for 11th house. So there either is some change in job or

> > person will have some changes. You will make good income as

> compared

> > to your effort but there will be some stress also. You may feel

> > things are not going your way. Sa + Ju points are 7 right now.

> >

> > Are you into some contract type of work ?

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " Rajesh M.

> Kumaria "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash

> > > Thanks for these detailed clarifications. I have learned

several

> > > important things in last few weeks sofar from lessons and your

> > > replies. Now I am somewhat still entangled here, while Jupiter

> > tries

> > > to control delays caused by Saturn(native's case) and Venus

with

> > high

> > > points for varius houses is eager to give good results for 11th

> > > house, being Lord of 'E " house(4th) and Saturn/Venus period has

> > > started from 10/14/2004 for next 3 years. Now Since Jupiter is

in

> > > Capricorn and so it will be unable to control delays due to

> Saturn,

> > > so does it mean that the native will have to wait for last one-

> > third

> > > period of Saturn/Venus to get some good income? If so, then

that

> > > means two more years from now, and so what role does Lords of D

> and

> > E

> > > play here, since Lord of E's antardasha is running here(just

> > started).

> > > can Lord of E control Saturn's delays in its own antardasha?

> > >

> > > Hope you can throw some light here.Actually I am the native

> myself

> > > here and the chart is atached below.

> > > Thanks and regards

> > > Rajesh.

> > >

> > > Natal Chart

> > >

> > > July 20, 1961

> > > Time: 21:50:00

> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > Place: 80 E 55' 00 " , 26 N 51' 00 "

> > > Lucknow, India

> > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > >

> > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Plava - Ashadha

> > > Tithi: Sukla Ashtami (Ra) (77.88% left)

> > > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)

> > > Nakshatra: Chitra (Ma) (34.69% left)

> > > Yoga: Siddha (Ke)

> > > Karana: Vishti (Sa)

> > > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)

> > > Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Sg)

> > > Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun)

> > >

> > > Sunrise: 5:28:21

> > > Sunset: 18:56:36

> > > Janma Ghatis: 40.9022

> > >

> > > Ayanamsa: 22-18-30.15

> > > Sidereal Time: 17:36:29

> > >

> > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> > >

> > > Lagna 29 Aq 29' 51.10 " PBha 3 Aq Ge

> > > Sun - PK 5 Cn 23' 16.09 " Push 1 Cn Le

> > > Moon - DK 2 Li 02' 30.54 " Chit 3 Li Li

> > > Mars - BK 20 Le 41' 39.95 " PPha 3 Le Li

> > > Mercury - MK 15 Ge 12' 52.84 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq

> > > Jupiter ® - PiK 10 Cp 32' 24.03 " Srav 1 Cp Ar

> > > Venus - AmK 22 Ta 09' 37.35 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

> > > Saturn ® - GK 4 Cp 08' 19.27 " USha 3 Cp Aq

> > > Rahu - AK 6 Le 24' 26.29 " Makh 2 Le Ta

> > > Ketu 6 Aq 24' 26.29 " Dhan 4 Aq Sc

> > > Maandi 20 Ta 45' 37.33 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

> > > Gulika 10 Ta 30' 07.06 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> > > Bhava Lagna 10 Pi 09' 00.40 " UBha 3 Pi Li

> > > Hora Lagna 15 Sc 33' 47.09 " Anu 4 Sc Sc

> > > Ghati Lagna 1 Sg 48' 07.15 " Mool 1 Sg Ar

> > > Vighati Lagna 22 Aq 59' 47.45 " PBha 1 Aq Ar

> > > Varnada Lagna 29 Vi 29' 51.10 " Aswi 1 Vi Ta

> > > Sree Lagna 24 Li 37' 35.62 " Visa 2 Li Ta

> > > Dhooma 18 Sc 43' 16.09 " Jye 1 Sc Sg

> > > Vyatipata 11 Le 16' 43.91 " Makh 4 Le Cn

> > > Parivesha 11 Aq 16' 43.91 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

> > > Indra Chapa 18 Ta 43' 16.09 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> > > Upaketu 5 Ge 23' 16.09 " Mrig 4 Ge Sc

> > > Kaala 27 Ge 09' 07.68 " Puna 3 Ge Ge

> > > Mrityu 10 Aq 48' 44.12 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

> > > Artha Prahara 7 Pi 56' 48.24 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

> > > Yama Ghantaka 5 Ar 03' 07.63 " Aswi 2 Ar Ta

> > >

> > > +--------------+

> > > | | |Ve Md |Me |

> > > | | |Gk | |

> > > | | | | |

> > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > |As Ke | |Su |

> > > | | | |

> > > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|

> > > |JuR SaR | |Ma Ra |

> > > | | | |

> > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > |GL AL |HL |Mo | |

> > > | | | | |

> > > +--------------+

> > >

> > > +--------------+

> > > | |JuR GL |Ra |As |

> > > | |Gk | | |

> > > | | | | |

> > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > |Me SaR | |Ve Md |

> > > | | | |

> > > |-----------| Navamsa |-----------|

> > > | | |Su |

> > > | | | |

> > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > | | |AL | |

> > > | | | | |

> > > +--------------+

> > >

> > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > >

> > > Mars Mars 1956-12-24 Rah 1957-05-22 Jup 1958-06-09

> > > Sat 1959-05-16 Merc 1960-06-24 Ket 1961-06-21

> > > Ven 1961-11-17 Sun 1963-01-17 Moon 1963-05-25

> > > Rah Rah 1963-12-24 Jup 1966-09-05 Sat 1969-01-29

> > > Merc 1971-12-06 Ket 1974-06-24 Ven 1975-07-13

> > > Sun 1978-07-13 Moon 1979-06-06 Mars 1980-12-05

> > > Jup Jup 1981-12-24 Sat 1984-02-11 Merc 1986-08-24

> > > Ket 1988-11-29 Ven 1989-11-05 Sun 1992-07-06

> > > Moon 1993-04-24 Mars 1994-08-24 Rah 1995-07-31

> > > Sat Sat 1997-12-23 Merc 2000-12-26 Ket 2003-09-05

> > > Ven 2004-10-14 Sun 2007-12-15 Moon 2008-11-26

> > > Mars 2010-06-27 Rah 2011-08-06 Jup 2014-06-12

> > > Merc Merc 2016-12-23 Ket 2019-05-22 Ven 2020-05-18

> > > Sun 2023-03-19 Moon 2024-01-23 Mars 2025-06-24

> > > Rah 2026-06-21 Jup 2029-01-07 Sat 2031-04-15

> > > Ket Ket 2033-12-23 Ven 2034-05-21 Sun 2035-07-21

> > > Moon 2035-11-26 Mars 2036-06-26 Rah 2036-11-23

> > > Jup 2037-12-11 Sat 2038-11-17 Merc 2039-12-27

> > > Ven Ven 2040-12-23 Sun 2044-04-23 Moon 2045-04-24

> > > Mars 2046-12-23 Rah 2048-02-22 Jup 2051-02-22

> > > Sat 2053-10-23 Merc 2056-12-23 Ket 2059-10-24

> > > Sun Sun 2060-12-23 Moon 2061-04-11 Mars 2061-10-11

> > > Rah 2062-02-16 Jup 2063-01-11 Sat 2063-10-30

> > > Merc 2064-10-11 Ket 2065-08-17 Ven 2065-12-23

> > > Moon Moon 2066-12-23 Mars 2067-10-24 Rah 2068-05-24

> > > Jup 2069-11-23 Sat 2071-03-24 Merc 2072-10-23

> > > Ket 2074-03-24 Ven 2074-10-23 Sun 2076-06-23

> > >

> > > , Ash

> >

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Rajesh,

> > > >

> > > > When Sa aspects lords of Houes A or LoA and LoB or House B

> and

> > > LoC or House C in Rasi, or LoA,LoB or LoC in Navamsa i.e. all 3

> > > houses or lords are affected then there is full delay i.e. last

> > > sector in which the event will take place. Now here the delay

> > > causing planet becomes Sa. Now if Sa is aspected by Jupiter

> then

> > > delayed is moderated i.e. say if its in 3rd sector the delay

will

> > be

> > > moderated in 2nd sector.

> > > >

> > > > Now here Ju is checking delay of Sa but we need to check the

> > status

> > > of Guru first. If Guru is in sign of Sa or nakshtra of Sa or if

> > its

> > > in libra then it cant check delay of Sa as itself is in the

grasp

> > of

> > > Sa.

> > > >

> > > > Now there is also a law which says that if the delay causing

> > planet

> > > is LoD or LoE or that matter with our example here the delay

> > causing

> > > planet is Sa and if Sa's antra comes then it will give the

result

> > in

> > > the first sector.

> > > >

> > > > I hope this helps,

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > >

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > " Rajesh M. Kumaria " wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Manu

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your clarifications. Here's what I tried further

> using

> > > > Navamsha chakra, for the native mentioned earlier on.

> > > >

> > > > Navamsa Ascendent(using Krushna Ayanamsha) : Gemini

> > > >

> > > > Venus in Cancer in 2nd house

> > > >

> > > > Sun in Leo in 3rd house

> > > >

> > > > mars and moon in libra in 5th house

> > > >

> > > > ketu in scorpio in 6th house

> > > >

> > > > Saturn® and Mercury in Aquarius in 9th house

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter® in Aries in 11th house

> > > >

> > > > Rahu in Taurus in 12th house

> > > >

> > > > With 11th house as House B, the Lords of A, B, C are Mars

> > (Scorpio),

> > > > Mars(Aries) and

> > > >

> > > > Sun(Leo) while houses D and E Lords are Saturn(Capricorn) and

> > > > Mercury(Virgo).

> > > >

> > > > Saturn Aspects 3rd Lord Sun and Ketu in Scorpio. Ketu being

in

> > > > Scorpio wil act like Mars.

> > > >

> > > > So Saturn does aspect lords of A and C here. ALso Jupiter

> aspects

> > > > Sun and Mars & Moon. So Jupiter aspects lords of houses B and

> > > > A..since Amrs is both lord of Aries(B) and scorpio(A).

> > > >

> > > > So looks like Saturn's influence on Sun and Ketu are

> encountered

> > by

> > > > jupiter's influence on Sun and Mars in Navamsha.

> > > >

> > > > So does that mean that Saturn is no longer effective in

> Navamsha

> > > and

> > > > rashi chakra shows strong jupiter's influence on Venus(lord

of

> D

> > in

> > > > rashi) and Hence Venus will be eager to give results in first

> > one -

> > > > third of its period? If I am right, then can you please let

me

> > know

> > > > how to proceed further as far as Sun's transits are concerned

> in

> > > > order to get a better timing here?

> > > >

> > > > Here's the chart and other details, if needed, for the

> > > > native.Actually I am the native myself here.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > >

> > > > RMK

> > > >

>

November 17, 2004

Dear Rajesh and list members,

Yes, you are correct. I have used the probable date finder using

suns transit.

There is a file in the file section called Probable Date Finder.doc.

The procedure is there.

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " Rajesh M. Kumaria "

<rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

>

> Dear Ash

> Thanks for your analysis. I will certianly make more efforts and

keep

> you posted about any new developments. Did you get the new dates

> using Sun's transits (Dec20, 2004/Jan11 2005 dates)? Well I am

still

> learning the concepts here..actually I lost track of the lesson in

> which Sun's transit timing techniques are mentioned. I do not know

> which lesson it was...

> Thanks

> Rajesh.

>

> , Ash

> wrote:

> > Dear Rajesh,

> > Yes, there was a reason why I pointed out 6th, 10th and 3rd. 6th

> house having low points could indiciate some lack of happiness in

> job. The reason I asked about contract job is due to the fact that

> there seems to be good income or will be but could be various

changes

> in job (contract) meaning that change in boss, place of work etc.

> This can be viewed as change in job. The reason could be any.

Some

> people can get fired or for some people in contracting work maybe

> their contract ends (or pre maturely ends) and reason could be that

> client does not have enough budget or its just that the work they

> hired a contractor is finished. Here I am not looking at this only

> from timing view point.

> >

> > Returns (income) for you would be good and you will also have

good

> savings. This resistace you are feeling could be due to the total

> points of Sa+Ju being less than 8.

> >

> > Status of Venus is good. Venus is SD to Functional Karak for

> 11th. ITs in House D with more points for 7th house so eager to

give

> dincharya. ITs also LoD for 12th house so it may give u some

travel

> or might get a contract which requires travel. Its eager to give

> 11th.

> >

> > But there is 1 zero and that is causing delay for your 6th

house.

> Now you are running Sa/Ve so 19*20/10 = 38 months period. So each

> sector is 12 months 20 days. So in the 2nd sector things should

ease

> up and things should flow more smoothly. In the mean time more

> effort will be required in the 1st sector. Now in the same breath

it

> does not mean that you cannot get anything in 1st sector but more

> effort will be required.

> >

> > You might get some news or some prospect on Dec 20 - Dec 23 -

> 2004. I would love feedback from you regarding these dates.

> >

> > 2nd dates I will give is Jan 11th thru 13th.

> >

> > The feeback will help me in my learnings.

> >

> > All the best.

> > Thanks,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > " Rajesh M. Kumaria " <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash

> > Thanks for your analysis. Yes I was in contract work for eight

> weeks

> > or so in last sector of Saturn/Ketu, after a long expensive

> > unemployment period(Saturn/Mercury). Now again looking for new

> > opportunities for last several weeks. Your previous prediction of

> > getting job in third sector of Saturn/Ketu was correct(June 2004

to

> > November2004 period) and infact the job started in August2004.

Now

> > Saturn/Venus has started from Oct14, 2004 and I again entangled

in

> > new job search. Yes things are not going right my way, since I

seem

> > to have missed few good opportunities due to unknown mysterious

> > reasons.

> >

> > You are right that Saturn does not aspect Mars(actually I thought

> > that even of houses A, B or C are aspected by Saturn, then it can

> > cause delays..i should have focussed on Lords of these houses

> > rather)...But now Saturn appears to aspect Lord of A(Cancer)Moon

in

> > Rashi and Lord of C(Leo) Sun in Navamsha,as far as 11th house is

> > concerned..so may this is the reason for delay?

> > Thanks for your efforts

> > Rajesh.

> >

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rajesh,

> > >

> > > There is no delay so where is the question of Ju not being able

> to

> > > control the delay for 11th house. Saturn is not aspecting Mars

> > (LoC)

> > > for 11th house either in Rasi or Navamsa. So there is no delay

> due

> > > to Sa. Now 11th house is income, friends etc. There is 1 zero

> > due

> > > to Sa in 8th house. So better 11th house results in 2nd sector.

> > >

> > > Venus has less points for 3rd, 6th and 10th house. It has

highest

> > > points for 11th house. So there either is some change in job or

> > > person will have some changes. You will make good income as

> > compared

> > > to your effort but there will be some stress also. You may feel

> > > things are not going your way. Sa + Ju points are 7 right now.

> > >

> > > Are you into some contract type of work ?

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , " Rajesh M.

> > Kumaria "

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash

> > > > Thanks for these detailed clarifications. I have learned

> several

> > > > important things in last few weeks sofar from lessons and

your

> > > > replies. Now I am somewhat still entangled here, while

Jupiter

> > > tries

> > > > to control delays caused by Saturn(native's case) and Venus

> with

> > > high

> > > > points for varius houses is eager to give good results for

11th

> > > > house, being Lord of 'E " house(4th) and Saturn/Venus period

has

> > > > started from 10/14/2004 for next 3 years. Now Since Jupiter

is

> in

> > > > Capricorn and so it will be unable to control delays due to

> > Saturn,

> > > > so does it mean that the native will have to wait for last

one-

> > > third

> > > > period of Saturn/Venus to get some good income? If so, then

> that

> > > > means two more years from now, and so what role does Lords of

D

> > and

> > > E

> > > > play here, since Lord of E's antardasha is running here(just

> > > started).

> > > > can Lord of E control Saturn's delays in its own antardasha?

> > > >

> > > > Hope you can throw some light here.Actually I am the native

> > myself

> > > > here and the chart is atached below.

> > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > Rajesh.

> > > >

> > > > Natal Chart

> > > >

> > > > July 20, 1961

> > > > Time: 21:50:00

> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 80 E 55' 00 " , 26 N 51' 00 "

> > > > Lucknow, India

> > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > >

> > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Plava - Ashadha

> > > > Tithi: Sukla Ashtami (Ra) (77.88% left)

> > > > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)

> > > > Nakshatra: Chitra (Ma) (34.69% left)

> > > > Yoga: Siddha (Ke)

> > > > Karana: Vishti (Sa)

> > > > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)

> > > > Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Sg)

> > > > Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun)

> > > >

> > > > Sunrise: 5:28:21

> > > > Sunset: 18:56:36

> > > > Janma Ghatis: 40.9022

> > > >

> > > > Ayanamsa: 22-18-30.15

> > > > Sidereal Time: 17:36:29

> > > >

> > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> > > >

> > > > Lagna 29 Aq 29' 51.10 " PBha 3 Aq Ge

> > > > Sun - PK 5 Cn 23' 16.09 " Push 1 Cn Le

> > > > Moon - DK 2 Li 02' 30.54 " Chit 3 Li Li

> > > > Mars - BK 20 Le 41' 39.95 " PPha 3 Le Li

> > > > Mercury - MK 15 Ge 12' 52.84 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq

> > > > Jupiter ® - PiK 10 Cp 32' 24.03 " Srav 1 Cp Ar

> > > > Venus - AmK 22 Ta 09' 37.35 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

> > > > Saturn ® - GK 4 Cp 08' 19.27 " USha 3 Cp Aq

> > > > Rahu - AK 6 Le 24' 26.29 " Makh 2 Le Ta

> > > > Ketu 6 Aq 24' 26.29 " Dhan 4 Aq Sc

> > > > Maandi 20 Ta 45' 37.33 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

> > > > Gulika 10 Ta 30' 07.06 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> > > > Bhava Lagna 10 Pi 09' 00.40 " UBha 3 Pi Li

> > > > Hora Lagna 15 Sc 33' 47.09 " Anu 4 Sc Sc

> > > > Ghati Lagna 1 Sg 48' 07.15 " Mool 1 Sg Ar

> > > > Vighati Lagna 22 Aq 59' 47.45 " PBha 1 Aq Ar

> > > > Varnada Lagna 29 Vi 29' 51.10 " Aswi 1 Vi Ta

> > > > Sree Lagna 24 Li 37' 35.62 " Visa 2 Li Ta

> > > > Dhooma 18 Sc 43' 16.09 " Jye 1 Sc Sg

> > > > Vyatipata 11 Le 16' 43.91 " Makh 4 Le Cn

> > > > Parivesha 11 Aq 16' 43.91 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

> > > > Indra Chapa 18 Ta 43' 16.09 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> > > > Upaketu 5 Ge 23' 16.09 " Mrig 4 Ge Sc

> > > > Kaala 27 Ge 09' 07.68 " Puna 3 Ge Ge

> > > > Mrityu 10 Aq 48' 44.12 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

> > > > Artha Prahara 7 Pi 56' 48.24 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

> > > > Yama Ghantaka 5 Ar 03' 07.63 " Aswi 2 Ar Ta

> > > >

> > > > +--------------+

> > > > | | |Ve Md |Me |

> > > > | | |Gk | |

> > > > | | | | |

> > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > > |As Ke | |Su |

> > > > | | | |

> > > > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|

> > > > |JuR SaR | |Ma Ra |

> > > > | | | |

> > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > > |GL AL |HL |Mo | |

> > > > | | | | |

> > > > +--------------+

> > > >

> > > > +--------------+

> > > > | |JuR GL |Ra |As |

> > > > | |Gk | | |

> > > > | | | | |

> > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > > |Me SaR | |Ve Md |

> > > > | | | |

> > > > |-----------| Navamsa |-----------|

> > > > | | |Su |

> > > > | | | |

> > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > > | | |AL | |

> > > > | | | | |

> > > > +--------------+

> > > >

> > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > >

> > > > Mars Mars 1956-12-24 Rah 1957-05-22 Jup 1958-06-09

> > > > Sat 1959-05-16 Merc 1960-06-24 Ket 1961-06-21

> > > > Ven 1961-11-17 Sun 1963-01-17 Moon 1963-05-25

> > > > Rah Rah 1963-12-24 Jup 1966-09-05 Sat 1969-01-29

> > > > Merc 1971-12-06 Ket 1974-06-24 Ven 1975-07-13

> > > > Sun 1978-07-13 Moon 1979-06-06 Mars 1980-12-05

> > > > Jup Jup 1981-12-24 Sat 1984-02-11 Merc 1986-08-24

> > > > Ket 1988-11-29 Ven 1989-11-05 Sun 1992-07-06

> > > > Moon 1993-04-24 Mars 1994-08-24 Rah 1995-07-31

> > > > Sat Sat 1997-12-23 Merc 2000-12-26 Ket 2003-09-05

> > > > Ven 2004-10-14 Sun 2007-12-15 Moon 2008-11-26

> > > > Mars 2010-06-27 Rah 2011-08-06 Jup 2014-06-12

> > > > Merc Merc 2016-12-23 Ket 2019-05-22 Ven 2020-05-18

> > > > Sun 2023-03-19 Moon 2024-01-23 Mars 2025-06-24

> > > > Rah 2026-06-21 Jup 2029-01-07 Sat 2031-04-15

> > > > Ket Ket 2033-12-23 Ven 2034-05-21 Sun 2035-07-21

> > > > Moon 2035-11-26 Mars 2036-06-26 Rah 2036-11-23

> > > > Jup 2037-12-11 Sat 2038-11-17 Merc 2039-12-27

> > > > Ven Ven 2040-12-23 Sun 2044-04-23 Moon 2045-04-24

> > > > Mars 2046-12-23 Rah 2048-02-22 Jup 2051-02-22

> > > > Sat 2053-10-23 Merc 2056-12-23 Ket 2059-10-24

> > > > Sun Sun 2060-12-23 Moon 2061-04-11 Mars 2061-10-11

> > > > Rah 2062-02-16 Jup 2063-01-11 Sat 2063-10-30

> > > > Merc 2064-10-11 Ket 2065-08-17 Ven 2065-12-23

> > > > Moon Moon 2066-12-23 Mars 2067-10-24 Rah 2068-05-24

> > > > Jup 2069-11-23 Sat 2071-03-24 Merc 2072-10-23

> > > > Ket 2074-03-24 Ven 2074-10-23 Sun 2076-06-23

> > > >

> > > > , Ash

> > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Rajesh,

> > > > >

> > > > > When Sa aspects lords of Houes A or LoA and LoB or House B

> > and

> > > > LoC or House C in Rasi, or LoA,LoB or LoC in Navamsa i.e. all

3

> > > > houses or lords are affected then there is full delay i.e.

last

> > > > sector in which the event will take place. Now here the delay

> > > > causing planet becomes Sa. Now if Sa is aspected by Jupiter

> > then

> > > > delayed is moderated i.e. say if its in 3rd sector the delay

> will

> > > be

> > > > moderated in 2nd sector.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now here Ju is checking delay of Sa but we need to check

the

> > > status

> > > > of Guru first. If Guru is in sign of Sa or nakshtra of Sa or

if

> > > its

> > > > in libra then it cant check delay of Sa as itself is in the

> grasp

> > > of

> > > > Sa.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now there is also a law which says that if the delay

causing

> > > planet

> > > > is LoD or LoE or that matter with our example here the delay

> > > causing

> > > > planet is Sa and if Sa's antra comes then it will give the

> result

> > > in

> > > > the first sector.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope this helps,

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > " Rajesh M. Kumaria " wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Manu

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for your clarifications. Here's what I tried further

> > using

> > > > > Navamsha chakra, for the native mentioned earlier on.

> > > > >

> > > > > Navamsa Ascendent(using Krushna Ayanamsha) : Gemini

> > > > >

> > > > > Venus in Cancer in 2nd house

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun in Leo in 3rd house

> > > > >

> > > > > mars and moon in libra in 5th house

> > > > >

> > > > > ketu in scorpio in 6th house

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn® and Mercury in Aquarius in 9th house

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter® in Aries in 11th house

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu in Taurus in 12th house

> > > > >

> > > > > With 11th house as House B, the Lords of A, B, C are Mars

> > > (Scorpio),

> > > > > Mars(Aries) and

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun(Leo) while houses D and E Lords are Saturn(Capricorn)

and

> > > > > Mercury(Virgo).

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn Aspects 3rd Lord Sun and Ketu in Scorpio. Ketu being

> in

> > > > > Scorpio wil act like Mars.

> > > > >

> > > > > So Saturn does aspect lords of A and C here. ALso Jupiter

> > aspects

> > > > > Sun and Mars & Moon. So Jupiter aspects lords of houses B

and

> > > > > A..since Amrs is both lord of Aries(B) and scorpio(A).

> > > > >

> > > > > So looks like Saturn's influence on Sun and Ketu are

> > encountered

> > > by

> > > > > jupiter's influence on Sun and Mars in Navamsha.

> > > > >

> > > > > So does that mean that Saturn is no longer effective in

> > Navamsha

> > > > and

> > > > > rashi chakra shows strong jupiter's influence on Venus(lord

> of

> > D

> > > in

> > > > > rashi) and Hence Venus will be eager to give results in

first

> > > one -

> > > > > third of its period? If I am right, then can you please let

> me

> > > know

> > > > > how to proceed further as far as Sun's transits are

concerned

> > in

> > > > > order to get a better timing here?

> > > > >

> > > > > Here's the chart and other details, if needed, for the

> > > > > native.Actually I am the native myself here.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > RMK

> > > > >

> >

November 18, 2004

Dear Ash

Thanks for the info. Here's what I found:

1. So Basically the timing technique using Sun's Transits is to

find/identify the Nakshtaras whose Lords are the significators

(natural or functional), or the nakshataras whose Lords are also same

as Lords of D or E or Nakstaras whose Lords are relevant Sam-Dharmi

planets(Sam-Dharmi to natural significators or Lords of D or E).

2. Now when the periods (anatras) of significators or Lords of D or

Lords of E or Sam-Sharmi planets are running(assuming relvant 1/3

period has been identfied) and Sun is passing through the Nakstaras

as mentioned in Step 1, then the things related to the house under

consideration(B) will happen.

Hope I understand it correctly?

Thanks

Rajesh

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73> wrote:

>

> Dear Rajesh and list members,

>

> Yes, you are correct. I have used the probable date finder using

> suns transit.

>

> There is a file in the file section called Probable Date

Finder.doc.

> The procedure is there.

>

> Thanks,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " Rajesh M.

Kumaria "

> <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash

> > Thanks for your analysis. I will certianly make more efforts and

> keep

> > you posted about any new developments. Did you get the new dates

> > using Sun's transits (Dec20, 2004/Jan11 2005 dates)? Well I am

> still

> > learning the concepts here..actually I lost track of the lesson

in

> > which Sun's transit timing techniques are mentioned. I do not

know

> > which lesson it was...

> > Thanks

> > Rajesh.

> >

> > , Ash

> <ashsam73>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Rajesh,

> > > Yes, there was a reason why I pointed out 6th, 10th and 3rd.

6th

> > house having low points could indiciate some lack of happiness in

> > job. The reason I asked about contract job is due to the fact

that

> > there seems to be good income or will be but could be various

> changes

> > in job (contract) meaning that change in boss, place of work

etc.

> > This can be viewed as change in job. The reason could be any.

> Some

> > people can get fired or for some people in contracting work maybe

> > their contract ends (or pre maturely ends) and reason could be

that

> > client does not have enough budget or its just that the work they

> > hired a contractor is finished. Here I am not looking at this

only

> > from timing view point.

> > >

> > > Returns (income) for you would be good and you will also have

> good

> > savings. This resistace you are feeling could be due to the

total

> > points of Sa+Ju being less than 8.

> > >

> > > Status of Venus is good. Venus is SD to Functional Karak for

> > 11th. ITs in House D with more points for 7th house so eager to

> give

> > dincharya. ITs also LoD for 12th house so it may give u some

> travel

> > or might get a contract which requires travel. Its eager to give

> > 11th.

> > >

> > > But there is 1 zero and that is causing delay for your 6th

> house.

> > Now you are running Sa/Ve so 19*20/10 = 38 months period. So

each

> > sector is 12 months 20 days. So in the 2nd sector things should

> ease

> > up and things should flow more smoothly. In the mean time more

> > effort will be required in the 1st sector. Now in the same

breath

> it

> > does not mean that you cannot get anything in 1st sector but more

> > effort will be required.

> > >

> > > You might get some news or some prospect on Dec 20 - Dec 23 -

> > 2004. I would love feedback from you regarding these dates.

> > >

> > > 2nd dates I will give is Jan 11th thru 13th.

> > >

> > > The feeback will help me in my learnings.

> > >

> > > All the best.

> > > Thanks,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > " Rajesh M. Kumaria " <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash

> > > Thanks for your analysis. Yes I was in contract work for eight

> > weeks

> > > or so in last sector of Saturn/Ketu, after a long expensive

> > > unemployment period(Saturn/Mercury). Now again looking for new

> > > opportunities for last several weeks. Your previous prediction

of

> > > getting job in third sector of Saturn/Ketu was correct(June

2004

> to

> > > November2004 period) and infact the job started in August2004.

> Now

> > > Saturn/Venus has started from Oct14, 2004 and I again entangled

> in

> > > new job search. Yes things are not going right my way, since I

> seem

> > > to have missed few good opportunities due to unknown mysterious

> > > reasons.

> > >

> > > You are right that Saturn does not aspect Mars(actually I

thought

> > > that even of houses A, B or C are aspected by Saturn, then it

can

> > > cause delays..i should have focussed on Lords of these houses

> > > rather)...But now Saturn appears to aspect Lord of A(Cancer)

Moon

> in

> > > Rashi and Lord of C(Leo) Sun in Navamsha,as far as 11th house

is

> > > concerned..so may this is the reason for delay?

> > > Thanks for your efforts

> > > Rajesh.

> > >

> > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rajesh,

> > > >

> > > > There is no delay so where is the question of Ju not being

able

> > to

> > > > control the delay for 11th house. Saturn is not aspecting

Mars

> > > (LoC)

> > > > for 11th house either in Rasi or Navamsa. So there is no

delay

> > due

> > > > to Sa. Now 11th house is income, friends etc. There is 1 zero

> > > due

> > > > to Sa in 8th house. So better 11th house results in 2nd

sector.

> > > >

> > > > Venus has less points for 3rd, 6th and 10th house. It has

> highest

> > > > points for 11th house. So there either is some change in job

or

> > > > person will have some changes. You will make good income as

> > > compared

> > > > to your effort but there will be some stress also. You may

feel

> > > > things are not going your way. Sa + Ju points are 7 right

now.

> > > >

> > > > Are you into some contract type of work ?

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > , " Rajesh M.

> > > Kumaria "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash

> > > > > Thanks for these detailed clarifications. I have learned

> > several

> > > > > important things in last few weeks sofar from lessons and

> your

> > > > > replies. Now I am somewhat still entangled here, while

> Jupiter

> > > > tries

> > > > > to control delays caused by Saturn(native's case) and Venus

> > with

> > > > high

> > > > > points for varius houses is eager to give good results for

> 11th

> > > > > house, being Lord of 'E " house(4th) and Saturn/Venus period

> has

> > > > > started from 10/14/2004 for next 3 years. Now Since Jupiter

> is

> > in

> > > > > Capricorn and so it will be unable to control delays due to

> > > Saturn,

> > > > > so does it mean that the native will have to wait for last

> one-

> > > > third

> > > > > period of Saturn/Venus to get some good income? If so, then

> > that

> > > > > means two more years from now, and so what role does Lords

of

> D

> > > and

> > > > E

> > > > > play here, since Lord of E's antardasha is running here

(just

> > > > started).

> > > > > can Lord of E control Saturn's delays in its own antardasha?

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope you can throw some light here.Actually I am the native

> > > myself

> > > > > here and the chart is atached below.

> > > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > > Rajesh.

> > > > >

> > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > >

> > > > > July 20, 1961

> > > > > Time: 21:50:00

> > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > Place: 80 E 55' 00 " , 26 N 51' 00 "

> > > > > Lucknow, India

> > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > >

> > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Plava - Ashadha

> > > > > Tithi: Sukla Ashtami (Ra) (77.88% left)

> > > > > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)

> > > > > Nakshatra: Chitra (Ma) (34.69% left)

> > > > > Yoga: Siddha (Ke)

> > > > > Karana: Vishti (Sa)

> > > > > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)

> > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Sg)

> > > > > Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun)

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunrise: 5:28:21

> > > > > Sunset: 18:56:36

> > > > > Janma Ghatis: 40.9022

> > > > >

> > > > > Ayanamsa: 22-18-30.15

> > > > > Sidereal Time: 17:36:29

> > > > >

> > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> > > > >

> > > > > Lagna 29 Aq 29' 51.10 " PBha 3 Aq Ge

> > > > > Sun - PK 5 Cn 23' 16.09 " Push 1 Cn Le

> > > > > Moon - DK 2 Li 02' 30.54 " Chit 3 Li Li

> > > > > Mars - BK 20 Le 41' 39.95 " PPha 3 Le Li

> > > > > Mercury - MK 15 Ge 12' 52.84 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq

> > > > > Jupiter ® - PiK 10 Cp 32' 24.03 " Srav 1 Cp Ar

> > > > > Venus - AmK 22 Ta 09' 37.35 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

> > > > > Saturn ® - GK 4 Cp 08' 19.27 " USha 3 Cp Aq

> > > > > Rahu - AK 6 Le 24' 26.29 " Makh 2 Le Ta

> > > > > Ketu 6 Aq 24' 26.29 " Dhan 4 Aq Sc

> > > > > Maandi 20 Ta 45' 37.33 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

> > > > > Gulika 10 Ta 30' 07.06 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> > > > > Bhava Lagna 10 Pi 09' 00.40 " UBha 3 Pi Li

> > > > > Hora Lagna 15 Sc 33' 47.09 " Anu 4 Sc Sc

> > > > > Ghati Lagna 1 Sg 48' 07.15 " Mool 1 Sg Ar

> > > > > Vighati Lagna 22 Aq 59' 47.45 " PBha 1 Aq Ar

> > > > > Varnada Lagna 29 Vi 29' 51.10 " Aswi 1 Vi Ta

> > > > > Sree Lagna 24 Li 37' 35.62 " Visa 2 Li Ta

> > > > > Dhooma 18 Sc 43' 16.09 " Jye 1 Sc Sg

> > > > > Vyatipata 11 Le 16' 43.91 " Makh 4 Le Cn

> > > > > Parivesha 11 Aq 16' 43.91 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

> > > > > Indra Chapa 18 Ta 43' 16.09 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> > > > > Upaketu 5 Ge 23' 16.09 " Mrig 4 Ge Sc

> > > > > Kaala 27 Ge 09' 07.68 " Puna 3 Ge Ge

> > > > > Mrityu 10 Aq 48' 44.12 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

> > > > > Artha Prahara 7 Pi 56' 48.24 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

> > > > > Yama Ghantaka 5 Ar 03' 07.63 " Aswi 2 Ar Ta

> > > > >

> > > > > +--------------+

> > > > > | | |Ve Md |Me |

> > > > > | | |Gk | |

> > > > > | | | | |

> > > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > > > |As Ke | |Su |

> > > > > | | | |

> > > > > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|

> > > > > |JuR SaR | |Ma Ra |

> > > > > | | | |

> > > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > > > |GL AL |HL |Mo | |

> > > > > | | | | |

> > > > > +--------------+

> > > > >

> > > > > +--------------+

> > > > > | |JuR GL |Ra |As |

> > > > > | |Gk | | |

> > > > > | | | | |

> > > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > > > |Me SaR | |Ve Md |

> > > > > | | | |

> > > > > |-----------| Navamsa |-----------|

> > > > > | | |Su |

> > > > > | | | |

> > > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > > > | | |AL | |

> > > > > | | | | |

> > > > > +--------------+

> > > > >

> > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars Mars 1956-12-24 Rah 1957-05-22 Jup 1958-06-09

> > > > > Sat 1959-05-16 Merc 1960-06-24 Ket 1961-06-21

> > > > > Ven 1961-11-17 Sun 1963-01-17 Moon 1963-05-25

> > > > > Rah Rah 1963-12-24 Jup 1966-09-05 Sat 1969-01-29

> > > > > Merc 1971-12-06 Ket 1974-06-24 Ven 1975-07-13

> > > > > Sun 1978-07-13 Moon 1979-06-06 Mars 1980-12-05

> > > > > Jup Jup 1981-12-24 Sat 1984-02-11 Merc 1986-08-24

> > > > > Ket 1988-11-29 Ven 1989-11-05 Sun 1992-07-06

> > > > > Moon 1993-04-24 Mars 1994-08-24 Rah 1995-07-31

> > > > > Sat Sat 1997-12-23 Merc 2000-12-26 Ket 2003-09-05

> > > > > Ven 2004-10-14 Sun 2007-12-15 Moon 2008-11-26

> > > > > Mars 2010-06-27 Rah 2011-08-06 Jup 2014-06-12

> > > > > Merc Merc 2016-12-23 Ket 2019-05-22 Ven 2020-05-18

> > > > > Sun 2023-03-19 Moon 2024-01-23 Mars 2025-06-24

> > > > > Rah 2026-06-21 Jup 2029-01-07 Sat 2031-04-15

> > > > > Ket Ket 2033-12-23 Ven 2034-05-21 Sun 2035-07-21

> > > > > Moon 2035-11-26 Mars 2036-06-26 Rah 2036-11-23

> > > > > Jup 2037-12-11 Sat 2038-11-17 Merc 2039-12-27

> > > > > Ven Ven 2040-12-23 Sun 2044-04-23 Moon 2045-04-24

> > > > > Mars 2046-12-23 Rah 2048-02-22 Jup 2051-02-22

> > > > > Sat 2053-10-23 Merc 2056-12-23 Ket 2059-10-24

> > > > > Sun Sun 2060-12-23 Moon 2061-04-11 Mars 2061-10-11

> > > > > Rah 2062-02-16 Jup 2063-01-11 Sat 2063-10-30

> > > > > Merc 2064-10-11 Ket 2065-08-17 Ven 2065-12-23

> > > > > Moon Moon 2066-12-23 Mars 2067-10-24 Rah 2068-05-24

> > > > > Jup 2069-11-23 Sat 2071-03-24 Merc 2072-10-23

> > > > > Ket 2074-03-24 Ven 2074-10-23 Sun 2076-06-23

> > > > >

> > > > > , Ash

> > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Rajesh,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When Sa aspects lords of Houes A or LoA and LoB or House

B

> > > and

> > > > > LoC or House C in Rasi, or LoA,LoB or LoC in Navamsa i.e.

all

> 3

> > > > > houses or lords are affected then there is full delay i.e.

> last

> > > > > sector in which the event will take place. Now here the

delay

> > > > > causing planet becomes Sa. Now if Sa is aspected by Jupiter

> > > then

> > > > > delayed is moderated i.e. say if its in 3rd sector the

delay

> > will

> > > > be

> > > > > moderated in 2nd sector.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now here Ju is checking delay of Sa but we need to check

> the

> > > > status

> > > > > of Guru first. If Guru is in sign of Sa or nakshtra of Sa

or

> if

> > > > its

> > > > > in libra then it cant check delay of Sa as itself is in the

> > grasp

> > > > of

> > > > > Sa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now there is also a law which says that if the delay

> causing

> > > > planet

> > > > > is LoD or LoE or that matter with our example here the

delay

> > > > causing

> > > > > planet is Sa and if Sa's antra comes then it will give the

> > result

> > > > in

> > > > > the first sector.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope this helps,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Rajesh M. Kumaria " wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Manu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for your clarifications. Here's what I tried

further

> > > using

> > > > > > Navamsha chakra, for the native mentioned earlier on.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Navamsa Ascendent(using Krushna Ayanamsha) : Gemini

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Venus in Cancer in 2nd house

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun in Leo in 3rd house

> > > > > >

> > > > > > mars and moon in libra in 5th house

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ketu in scorpio in 6th house

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturn® and Mercury in Aquarius in 9th house

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter® in Aries in 11th house

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rahu in Taurus in 12th house

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With 11th house as House B, the Lords of A, B, C are Mars

> > > > (Scorpio),

> > > > > > Mars(Aries) and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun(Leo) while houses D and E Lords are Saturn(Capricorn)

> and

> > > > > > Mercury(Virgo).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturn Aspects 3rd Lord Sun and Ketu in Scorpio. Ketu

being

> > in

> > > > > > Scorpio wil act like Mars.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So Saturn does aspect lords of A and C here. ALso Jupiter

> > > aspects

> > > > > > Sun and Mars & Moon. So Jupiter aspects lords of houses B

> and

> > > > > > A..since Amrs is both lord of Aries(B) and scorpio(A).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So looks like Saturn's influence on Sun and Ketu are

> > > encountered

> > > > by

> > > > > > jupiter's influence on Sun and Mars in Navamsha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So does that mean that Saturn is no longer effective in

> > > Navamsha

> > > > > and

> > > > > > rashi chakra shows strong jupiter's influence on Venus

(lord

> > of

> > > D

> > > > in

> > > > > > rashi) and Hence Venus will be eager to give results in

> first

> > > > one -

> > > > > > third of its period? If I am right, then can you please

let

> > me

> > > > know

> > > > > > how to proceed further as far as Sun's transits are

> concerned

> > > in

> > > > > > order to get a better timing here?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here's the chart and other details, if needed, for the

> > > > > > native.Actually I am the native myself here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RMK

> > > > > >

> > >

November 19, 2004

Dear Rajesh,

Sun transit is used to narrow the event in the proper sector.

Follow the worksheet. Take the house under focus and see the strong

significators for the house under focus i.e row 17 as per worksheet.

When sun transits those it will give the probable dates for event to

take place.

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " Rajesh M. Kumaria "

<rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

>

> Dear Ash

> Thanks for the info. Here's what I found:

>

> 1. So Basically the timing technique using Sun's Transits is to

> find/identify the Nakshtaras whose Lords are the significators

> (natural or functional), or the nakshataras whose Lords are also

same

> as Lords of D or E or Nakstaras whose Lords are relevant Sam-Dharmi

> planets(Sam-Dharmi to natural significators or Lords of D or E).

>

> 2. Now when the periods (anatras) of significators or Lords of D or

> Lords of E or Sam-Sharmi planets are running(assuming relvant 1/3

> period has been identfied) and Sun is passing through the Nakstaras

> as mentioned in Step 1, then the things related to the house under

> consideration(B) will happen.

>

> Hope I understand it correctly?

>

> Thanks

>

> Rajesh

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rajesh and list members,

> >

> > Yes, you are correct. I have used the probable date finder using

> > suns transit.

> >

> > There is a file in the file section called Probable Date

> Finder.doc.

> > The procedure is there.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " Rajesh M.

> Kumaria "

> > <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash

> > > Thanks for your analysis. I will certianly make more efforts

and

> > keep

> > > you posted about any new developments. Did you get the new

dates

> > > using Sun's transits (Dec20, 2004/Jan11 2005 dates)? Well I am

> > still

> > > learning the concepts here..actually I lost track of the lesson

> in

> > > which Sun's transit timing techniques are mentioned. I do not

> know

> > > which lesson it was...

> > > Thanks

> > > Rajesh.

> > >

> > > , Ash

> > <ashsam73>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Rajesh,

> > > > Yes, there was a reason why I pointed out 6th, 10th and 3rd.

> 6th

> > > house having low points could indiciate some lack of happiness

in

> > > job. The reason I asked about contract job is due to the fact

> that

> > > there seems to be good income or will be but could be various

> > changes

> > > in job (contract) meaning that change in boss, place of work

> etc.

> > > This can be viewed as change in job. The reason could be any.

> > Some

> > > people can get fired or for some people in contracting work

maybe

> > > their contract ends (or pre maturely ends) and reason could be

> that

> > > client does not have enough budget or its just that the work

they

> > > hired a contractor is finished. Here I am not looking at this

> only

> > > from timing view point.

> > > >

> > > > Returns (income) for you would be good and you will also have

> > good

> > > savings. This resistace you are feeling could be due to the

> total

> > > points of Sa+Ju being less than 8.

> > > >

> > > > Status of Venus is good. Venus is SD to Functional Karak for

> > > 11th. ITs in House D with more points for 7th house so eager

to

> > give

> > > dincharya. ITs also LoD for 12th house so it may give u some

> > travel

> > > or might get a contract which requires travel. Its eager to

give

> > > 11th.

> > > >

> > > > But there is 1 zero and that is causing delay for your 6th

> > house.

> > > Now you are running Sa/Ve so 19*20/10 = 38 months period. So

> each

> > > sector is 12 months 20 days. So in the 2nd sector things

should

> > ease

> > > up and things should flow more smoothly. In the mean time more

> > > effort will be required in the 1st sector. Now in the same

> breath

> > it

> > > does not mean that you cannot get anything in 1st sector but

more

> > > effort will be required.

> > > >

> > > > You might get some news or some prospect on Dec 20 - Dec 23 -

> > > 2004. I would love feedback from you regarding these dates.

> > > >

> > > > 2nd dates I will give is Jan 11th thru 13th.

> > > >

> > > > The feeback will help me in my learnings.

> > > >

> > > > All the best.

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > " Rajesh M. Kumaria " <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash

> > > > Thanks for your analysis. Yes I was in contract work for

eight

> > > weeks

> > > > or so in last sector of Saturn/Ketu, after a long expensive

> > > > unemployment period(Saturn/Mercury). Now again looking for

new

> > > > opportunities for last several weeks. Your previous

prediction

> of

> > > > getting job in third sector of Saturn/Ketu was correct(June

> 2004

> > to

> > > > November2004 period) and infact the job started in

August2004.

> > Now

> > > > Saturn/Venus has started from Oct14, 2004 and I again

entangled

> > in

> > > > new job search. Yes things are not going right my way, since

I

> > seem

> > > > to have missed few good opportunities due to unknown

mysterious

> > > > reasons.

> > > >

> > > > You are right that Saturn does not aspect Mars(actually I

> thought

> > > > that even of houses A, B or C are aspected by Saturn, then it

> can

> > > > cause delays..i should have focussed on Lords of these houses

> > > > rather)...But now Saturn appears to aspect Lord of A(Cancer)

> Moon

> > in

> > > > Rashi and Lord of C(Leo) Sun in Navamsha,as far as 11th house

> is

> > > > concerned..so may this is the reason for delay?

> > > > Thanks for your efforts

> > > > Rajesh.

> > > >

> > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rajesh,

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no delay so where is the question of Ju not being

> able

> > > to

> > > > > control the delay for 11th house. Saturn is not aspecting

> Mars

> > > > (LoC)

> > > > > for 11th house either in Rasi or Navamsa. So there is no

> delay

> > > due

> > > > > to Sa. Now 11th house is income, friends etc. There is 1

zero

> > > > due

> > > > > to Sa in 8th house. So better 11th house results in 2nd

> sector.

> > > > >

> > > > > Venus has less points for 3rd, 6th and 10th house. It has

> > highest

> > > > > points for 11th house. So there either is some change in

job

> or

> > > > > person will have some changes. You will make good income as

> > > > compared

> > > > > to your effort but there will be some stress also. You may

> feel

> > > > > things are not going your way. Sa + Ju points are 7 right

> now.

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you into some contract type of work ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Rajesh M.

> > > > Kumaria "

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ash

> > > > > > Thanks for these detailed clarifications. I have learned

> > > several

> > > > > > important things in last few weeks sofar from lessons and

> > your

> > > > > > replies. Now I am somewhat still entangled here, while

> > Jupiter

> > > > > tries

> > > > > > to control delays caused by Saturn(native's case) and

Venus

> > > with

> > > > > high

> > > > > > points for varius houses is eager to give good results

for

> > 11th

> > > > > > house, being Lord of 'E " house(4th) and Saturn/Venus

period

> > has

> > > > > > started from 10/14/2004 for next 3 years. Now Since

Jupiter

> > is

> > > in

> > > > > > Capricorn and so it will be unable to control delays due

to

> > > > Saturn,

> > > > > > so does it mean that the native will have to wait for

last

> > one-

> > > > > third

> > > > > > period of Saturn/Venus to get some good income? If so,

then

> > > that

> > > > > > means two more years from now, and so what role does

Lords

> of

> > D

> > > > and

> > > > > E

> > > > > > play here, since Lord of E's antardasha is running here

> (just

> > > > > started).

> > > > > > can Lord of E control Saturn's delays in its own

antardasha?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope you can throw some light here.Actually I am the

native

> > > > myself

> > > > > > here and the chart is atached below.

> > > > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > > > Rajesh.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > July 20, 1961

> > > > > > Time: 21:50:00

> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > Place: 80 E 55' 00 " , 26 N 51' 00 "

> > > > > > Lucknow, India

> > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Plava - Ashadha

> > > > > > Tithi: Sukla Ashtami (Ra) (77.88% left)

> > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)

> > > > > > Nakshatra: Chitra (Ma) (34.69% left)

> > > > > > Yoga: Siddha (Ke)

> > > > > > Karana: Vishti (Sa)

> > > > > > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)

> > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Sg)

> > > > > > Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunrise: 5:28:21

> > > > > > Sunset: 18:56:36

> > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 40.9022

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22-18-30.15

> > > > > > Sidereal Time: 17:36:29

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lagna 29 Aq 29' 51.10 " PBha 3 Aq Ge

> > > > > > Sun - PK 5 Cn 23' 16.09 " Push 1 Cn Le

> > > > > > Moon - DK 2 Li 02' 30.54 " Chit 3 Li Li

> > > > > > Mars - BK 20 Le 41' 39.95 " PPha 3 Le Li

> > > > > > Mercury - MK 15 Ge 12' 52.84 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq

> > > > > > Jupiter ® - PiK 10 Cp 32' 24.03 " Srav 1 Cp Ar

> > > > > > Venus - AmK 22 Ta 09' 37.35 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

> > > > > > Saturn ® - GK 4 Cp 08' 19.27 " USha 3 Cp Aq

> > > > > > Rahu - AK 6 Le 24' 26.29 " Makh 2 Le Ta

> > > > > > Ketu 6 Aq 24' 26.29 " Dhan 4 Aq Sc

> > > > > > Maandi 20 Ta 45' 37.33 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

> > > > > > Gulika 10 Ta 30' 07.06 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> > > > > > Bhava Lagna 10 Pi 09' 00.40 " UBha 3 Pi Li

> > > > > > Hora Lagna 15 Sc 33' 47.09 " Anu 4 Sc Sc

> > > > > > Ghati Lagna 1 Sg 48' 07.15 " Mool 1 Sg Ar

> > > > > > Vighati Lagna 22 Aq 59' 47.45 " PBha 1 Aq Ar

> > > > > > Varnada Lagna 29 Vi 29' 51.10 " Aswi 1 Vi Ta

> > > > > > Sree Lagna 24 Li 37' 35.62 " Visa 2 Li Ta

> > > > > > Dhooma 18 Sc 43' 16.09 " Jye 1 Sc Sg

> > > > > > Vyatipata 11 Le 16' 43.91 " Makh 4 Le Cn

> > > > > > Parivesha 11 Aq 16' 43.91 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

> > > > > > Indra Chapa 18 Ta 43' 16.09 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> > > > > > Upaketu 5 Ge 23' 16.09 " Mrig 4 Ge Sc

> > > > > > Kaala 27 Ge 09' 07.68 " Puna 3 Ge Ge

> > > > > > Mrityu 10 Aq 48' 44.12 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

> > > > > > Artha Prahara 7 Pi 56' 48.24 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

> > > > > > Yama Ghantaka 5 Ar 03' 07.63 " Aswi 2 Ar Ta

> > > > > >

> > > > > > +--------------+

> > > > > > | | |Ve Md |Me |

> > > > > > | | |Gk | |

> > > > > > | | | | |

> > > > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > > > > |As Ke | |Su |

> > > > > > | | | |

> > > > > > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|

> > > > > > |JuR SaR | |Ma Ra |

> > > > > > | | | |

> > > > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > > > > |GL AL |HL |Mo | |

> > > > > > | | | | |

> > > > > > +--------------+

> > > > > >

> > > > > > +--------------+

> > > > > > | |JuR GL |Ra |As |

> > > > > > | |Gk | | |

> > > > > > | | | | |

> > > > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > > > > |Me SaR | |Ve Md |

> > > > > > | | | |

> > > > > > |-----------| Navamsa |-----------|

> > > > > > | | |Su |

> > > > > > | | | |

> > > > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > > > > | | |AL | |

> > > > > > | | | | |

> > > > > > +--------------+

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mars Mars 1956-12-24 Rah 1957-05-22 Jup 1958-06-09

> > > > > > Sat 1959-05-16 Merc 1960-06-24 Ket 1961-06-21

> > > > > > Ven 1961-11-17 Sun 1963-01-17 Moon 1963-05-25

> > > > > > Rah Rah 1963-12-24 Jup 1966-09-05 Sat 1969-01-29

> > > > > > Merc 1971-12-06 Ket 1974-06-24 Ven 1975-07-13

> > > > > > Sun 1978-07-13 Moon 1979-06-06 Mars 1980-12-05

> > > > > > Jup Jup 1981-12-24 Sat 1984-02-11 Merc 1986-08-24

> > > > > > Ket 1988-11-29 Ven 1989-11-05 Sun 1992-07-06

> > > > > > Moon 1993-04-24 Mars 1994-08-24 Rah 1995-07-31

> > > > > > Sat Sat 1997-12-23 Merc 2000-12-26 Ket 2003-09-05

> > > > > > Ven 2004-10-14 Sun 2007-12-15 Moon 2008-11-26

> > > > > > Mars 2010-06-27 Rah 2011-08-06 Jup 2014-06-12

> > > > > > Merc Merc 2016-12-23 Ket 2019-05-22 Ven 2020-05-18

> > > > > > Sun 2023-03-19 Moon 2024-01-23 Mars 2025-06-24

> > > > > > Rah 2026-06-21 Jup 2029-01-07 Sat 2031-04-15

> > > > > > Ket Ket 2033-12-23 Ven 2034-05-21 Sun 2035-07-21

> > > > > > Moon 2035-11-26 Mars 2036-06-26 Rah 2036-11-23

> > > > > > Jup 2037-12-11 Sat 2038-11-17 Merc 2039-12-27

> > > > > > Ven Ven 2040-12-23 Sun 2044-04-23 Moon 2045-04-24

> > > > > > Mars 2046-12-23 Rah 2048-02-22 Jup 2051-02-22

> > > > > > Sat 2053-10-23 Merc 2056-12-23 Ket 2059-10-24

> > > > > > Sun Sun 2060-12-23 Moon 2061-04-11 Mars 2061-10-11

> > > > > > Rah 2062-02-16 Jup 2063-01-11 Sat 2063-10-30

> > > > > > Merc 2064-10-11 Ket 2065-08-17 Ven 2065-12-23

> > > > > > Moon Moon 2066-12-23 Mars 2067-10-24 Rah 2068-05-24

> > > > > > Jup 2069-11-23 Sat 2071-03-24 Merc 2072-10-23

> > > > > > Ket 2074-03-24 Ven 2074-10-23 Sun 2076-06-23

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Rajesh,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When Sa aspects lords of Houes A or LoA and LoB or

House

> B

> > > > and

> > > > > > LoC or House C in Rasi, or LoA,LoB or LoC in Navamsa i.e.

> all

> > 3

> > > > > > houses or lords are affected then there is full delay

i.e.

> > last

> > > > > > sector in which the event will take place. Now here the

> delay

> > > > > > causing planet becomes Sa. Now if Sa is aspected by

Jupiter

> > > > then

> > > > > > delayed is moderated i.e. say if its in 3rd sector the

> delay

> > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > moderated in 2nd sector.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now here Ju is checking delay of Sa but we need to

check

> > the

> > > > > status

> > > > > > of Guru first. If Guru is in sign of Sa or nakshtra of Sa

> or

> > if

> > > > > its

> > > > > > in libra then it cant check delay of Sa as itself is in

the

> > > grasp

> > > > > of

> > > > > > Sa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now there is also a law which says that if the delay

> > causing

> > > > > planet

> > > > > > is LoD or LoE or that matter with our example here the

> delay

> > > > > causing

> > > > > > planet is Sa and if Sa's antra comes then it will give

the

> > > result

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the first sector.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope this helps,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Rajesh M. Kumaria " wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Manu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for your clarifications. Here's what I tried

> further

> > > > using

> > > > > > > Navamsha chakra, for the native mentioned earlier on.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Navamsa Ascendent(using Krushna Ayanamsha) : Gemini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Venus in Cancer in 2nd house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun in Leo in 3rd house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > mars and moon in libra in 5th house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ketu in scorpio in 6th house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturn® and Mercury in Aquarius in 9th house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter® in Aries in 11th house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rahu in Taurus in 12th house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With 11th house as House B, the Lords of A, B, C are

Mars

> > > > > (Scorpio),

> > > > > > > Mars(Aries) and

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun(Leo) while houses D and E Lords are Saturn

(Capricorn)

> > and

> > > > > > > Mercury(Virgo).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturn Aspects 3rd Lord Sun and Ketu in Scorpio. Ketu

> being

> > > in

> > > > > > > Scorpio wil act like Mars.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So Saturn does aspect lords of A and C here. ALso

Jupiter

> > > > aspects

> > > > > > > Sun and Mars & Moon. So Jupiter aspects lords of houses

B

> > and

> > > > > > > A..since Amrs is both lord of Aries(B) and scorpio(A).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So looks like Saturn's influence on Sun and Ketu are

> > > > encountered

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > jupiter's influence on Sun and Mars in Navamsha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So does that mean that Saturn is no longer effective in

> > > > Navamsha

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > rashi chakra shows strong jupiter's influence on Venus

> (lord

> > > of

> > > > D

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > rashi) and Hence Venus will be eager to give results in

> > first

> > > > > one -

> > > > > > > third of its period? If I am right, then can you please

> let

> > > me

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > how to proceed further as far as Sun's transits are

> > concerned

> > > > in

> > > > > > > order to get a better timing here?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here's the chart and other details, if needed, for the

> > > > > > > native.Actually I am the native myself here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RMK

> > > > > > >

> > > >

November 19, 2004

Dear Rajesh,

You can refer to the following exchange between Krushnaji and Sandy.

You can study all messages in the thread.

/message/186

Cheers !!!

Ash

, " Rajesh M. Kumaria "

<rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

>

> Dear Ash

> Thanks for the info. Here's what I found:

>

> 1. So Basically the timing technique using Sun's Transits is to

> find/identify the Nakshtaras whose Lords are the significators

> (natural or functional), or the nakshataras whose Lords are also

same

> as Lords of D or E or Nakstaras whose Lords are relevant Sam-Dharmi

> planets(Sam-Dharmi to natural significators or Lords of D or E).

>

> 2. Now when the periods (anatras) of significators or Lords of D or

> Lords of E or Sam-Sharmi planets are running(assuming relvant 1/3

> period has been identfied) and Sun is passing through the Nakstaras

> as mentioned in Step 1, then the things related to the house under

> consideration(B) will happen.

>

> Hope I understand it correctly?

>

> Thanks

>

> Rajesh

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rajesh and list members,

> >

> > Yes, you are correct. I have used the probable date finder using

> > suns transit.

> >

> > There is a file in the file section called Probable Date

> Finder.doc.

> > The procedure is there.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " Rajesh M.

> Kumaria "

> > <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash

> > > Thanks for your analysis. I will certianly make more efforts

and

> > keep

> > > you posted about any new developments. Did you get the new

dates

> > > using Sun's transits (Dec20, 2004/Jan11 2005 dates)? Well I am

> > still

> > > learning the concepts here..actually I lost track of the lesson

> in

> > > which Sun's transit timing techniques are mentioned. I do not

> know

> > > which lesson it was...

> > > Thanks

> > > Rajesh.

> > >

> > > , Ash

> > <ashsam73>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Rajesh,

> > > > Yes, there was a reason why I pointed out 6th, 10th and 3rd.

> 6th

> > > house having low points could indiciate some lack of happiness

in

> > > job. The reason I asked about contract job is due to the fact

> that

> > > there seems to be good income or will be but could be various

> > changes

> > > in job (contract) meaning that change in boss, place of work

> etc.

> > > This can be viewed as change in job. The reason could be any.

> > Some

> > > people can get fired or for some people in contracting work

maybe

> > > their contract ends (or pre maturely ends) and reason could be

> that

> > > client does not have enough budget or its just that the work

they

> > > hired a contractor is finished. Here I am not looking at this

> only

> > > from timing view point.

> > > >

> > > > Returns (income) for you would be good and you will also have

> > good

> > > savings. This resistace you are feeling could be due to the

> total

> > > points of Sa+Ju being less than 8.

> > > >

> > > > Status of Venus is good. Venus is SD to Functional Karak for

> > > 11th. ITs in House D with more points for 7th house so eager

to

> > give

> > > dincharya. ITs also LoD for 12th house so it may give u some

> > travel

> > > or might get a contract which requires travel. Its eager to

give

> > > 11th.

> > > >

> > > > But there is 1 zero and that is causing delay for your 6th

> > house.

> > > Now you are running Sa/Ve so 19*20/10 = 38 months period. So

> each

> > > sector is 12 months 20 days. So in the 2nd sector things

should

> > ease

> > > up and things should flow more smoothly. In the mean time more

> > > effort will be required in the 1st sector. Now in the same

> breath

> > it

> > > does not mean that you cannot get anything in 1st sector but

more

> > > effort will be required.

> > > >

> > > > You might get some news or some prospect on Dec 20 - Dec 23 -

> > > 2004. I would love feedback from you regarding these dates.

> > > >

> > > > 2nd dates I will give is Jan 11th thru 13th.

> > > >

> > > > The feeback will help me in my learnings.

> > > >

> > > > All the best.

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > " Rajesh M. Kumaria " <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash

> > > > Thanks for your analysis. Yes I was in contract work for

eight

> > > weeks

> > > > or so in last sector of Saturn/Ketu, after a long expensive

> > > > unemployment period(Saturn/Mercury). Now again looking for

new

> > > > opportunities for last several weeks. Your previous

prediction

> of

> > > > getting job in third sector of Saturn/Ketu was correct(June

> 2004

> > to

> > > > November2004 period) and infact the job started in

August2004.

> > Now

> > > > Saturn/Venus has started from Oct14, 2004 and I again

entangled

> > in

> > > > new job search. Yes things are not going right my way, since

I

> > seem

> > > > to have missed few good opportunities due to unknown

mysterious

> > > > reasons.

> > > >

> > > > You are right that Saturn does not aspect Mars(actually I

> thought

> > > > that even of houses A, B or C are aspected by Saturn, then it

> can

> > > > cause delays..i should have focussed on Lords of these houses

> > > > rather)...But now Saturn appears to aspect Lord of A(Cancer)

> Moon

> > in

> > > > Rashi and Lord of C(Leo) Sun in Navamsha,as far as 11th house

> is

> > > > concerned..so may this is the reason for delay?

> > > > Thanks for your efforts

> > > > Rajesh.

> > > >

> > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rajesh,

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no delay so where is the question of Ju not being

> able

> > > to

> > > > > control the delay for 11th house. Saturn is not aspecting

> Mars

> > > > (LoC)

> > > > > for 11th house either in Rasi or Navamsa. So there is no

> delay

> > > due

> > > > > to Sa. Now 11th house is income, friends etc. There is 1

zero

> > > > due

> > > > > to Sa in 8th house. So better 11th house results in 2nd

> sector.

> > > > >

> > > > > Venus has less points for 3rd, 6th and 10th house. It has

> > highest

> > > > > points for 11th house. So there either is some change in

job

> or

> > > > > person will have some changes. You will make good income as

> > > > compared

> > > > > to your effort but there will be some stress also. You may

> feel

> > > > > things are not going your way. Sa + Ju points are 7 right

> now.

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you into some contract type of work ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Rajesh M.

> > > > Kumaria "

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ash

> > > > > > Thanks for these detailed clarifications. I have learned

> > > several

> > > > > > important things in last few weeks sofar from lessons and

> > your

> > > > > > replies. Now I am somewhat still entangled here, while

> > Jupiter

> > > > > tries

> > > > > > to control delays caused by Saturn(native's case) and

Venus

> > > with

> > > > > high

> > > > > > points for varius houses is eager to give good results

for

> > 11th

> > > > > > house, being Lord of 'E " house(4th) and Saturn/Venus

period

> > has

> > > > > > started from 10/14/2004 for next 3 years. Now Since

Jupiter

> > is

> > > in

> > > > > > Capricorn and so it will be unable to control delays due

to

> > > > Saturn,

> > > > > > so does it mean that the native will have to wait for

last

> > one-

> > > > > third

> > > > > > period of Saturn/Venus to get some good income? If so,

then

> > > that

> > > > > > means two more years from now, and so what role does

Lords

> of

> > D

> > > > and

> > > > > E

> > > > > > play here, since Lord of E's antardasha is running here

> (just

> > > > > started).

> > > > > > can Lord of E control Saturn's delays in its own

antardasha?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope you can throw some light here.Actually I am the

native

> > > > myself

> > > > > > here and the chart is atached below.

> > > > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > > > Rajesh.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > July 20, 1961

> > > > > > Time: 21:50:00

> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > Place: 80 E 55' 00 " , 26 N 51' 00 "

> > > > > > Lucknow, India

> > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Plava - Ashadha

> > > > > > Tithi: Sukla Ashtami (Ra) (77.88% left)

> > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)

> > > > > > Nakshatra: Chitra (Ma) (34.69% left)

> > > > > > Yoga: Siddha (Ke)

> > > > > > Karana: Vishti (Sa)

> > > > > > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)

> > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Sg)

> > > > > > Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunrise: 5:28:21

> > > > > > Sunset: 18:56:36

> > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 40.9022

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22-18-30.15

> > > > > > Sidereal Time: 17:36:29

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lagna 29 Aq 29' 51.10 " PBha 3 Aq Ge

> > > > > > Sun - PK 5 Cn 23' 16.09 " Push 1 Cn Le

> > > > > > Moon - DK 2 Li 02' 30.54 " Chit 3 Li Li

> > > > > > Mars - BK 20 Le 41' 39.95 " PPha 3 Le Li

> > > > > > Mercury - MK 15 Ge 12' 52.84 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq

> > > > > > Jupiter ® - PiK 10 Cp 32' 24.03 " Srav 1 Cp Ar

> > > > > > Venus - AmK 22 Ta 09' 37.35 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

> > > > > > Saturn ® - GK 4 Cp 08' 19.27 " USha 3 Cp Aq

> > > > > > Rahu - AK 6 Le 24' 26.29 " Makh 2 Le Ta

> > > > > > Ketu 6 Aq 24' 26.29 " Dhan 4 Aq Sc

> > > > > > Maandi 20 Ta 45' 37.33 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

> > > > > > Gulika 10 Ta 30' 07.06 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> > > > > > Bhava Lagna 10 Pi 09' 00.40 " UBha 3 Pi Li

> > > > > > Hora Lagna 15 Sc 33' 47.09 " Anu 4 Sc Sc

> > > > > > Ghati Lagna 1 Sg 48' 07.15 " Mool 1 Sg Ar

> > > > > > Vighati Lagna 22 Aq 59' 47.45 " PBha 1 Aq Ar

> > > > > > Varnada Lagna 29 Vi 29' 51.10 " Aswi 1 Vi Ta

> > > > > > Sree Lagna 24 Li 37' 35.62 " Visa 2 Li Ta

> > > > > > Dhooma 18 Sc 43' 16.09 " Jye 1 Sc Sg

> > > > > > Vyatipata 11 Le 16' 43.91 " Makh 4 Le Cn

> > > > > > Parivesha 11 Aq 16' 43.91 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

> > > > > > Indra Chapa 18 Ta 43' 16.09 " Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> > > > > > Upaketu 5 Ge 23' 16.09 " Mrig 4 Ge Sc

> > > > > > Kaala 27 Ge 09' 07.68 " Puna 3 Ge Ge

> > > > > > Mrityu 10 Aq 48' 44.12 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

> > > > > > Artha Prahara 7 Pi 56' 48.24 " UBha 2 Pi Vi

> > > > > > Yama Ghantaka 5 Ar 03' 07.63 " Aswi 2 Ar Ta

> > > > > >

> > > > > > +--------------+

> > > > > > | | |Ve Md |Me |

> > > > > > | | |Gk | |

> > > > > > | | | | |

> > > > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > > > > |As Ke | |Su |

> > > > > > | | | |

> > > > > > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|

> > > > > > |JuR SaR | |Ma Ra |

> > > > > > | | | |

> > > > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > > > > |GL AL |HL |Mo | |

> > > > > > | | | | |

> > > > > > +--------------+

> > > > > >

> > > > > > +--------------+

> > > > > > | |JuR GL |Ra |As |

> > > > > > | |Gk | | |

> > > > > > | | | | |

> > > > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > > > > |Me SaR | |Ve Md |

> > > > > > | | | |

> > > > > > |-----------| Navamsa |-----------|

> > > > > > | | |Su |

> > > > > > | | | |

> > > > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > > > > > | | |AL | |

> > > > > > | | | | |

> > > > > > +--------------+

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mars Mars 1956-12-24 Rah 1957-05-22 Jup 1958-06-09

> > > > > > Sat 1959-05-16 Merc 1960-06-24 Ket 1961-06-21

> > > > > > Ven 1961-11-17 Sun 1963-01-17 Moon 1963-05-25

> > > > > > Rah Rah 1963-12-24 Jup 1966-09-05 Sat 1969-01-29

> > > > > > Merc 1971-12-06 Ket 1974-06-24 Ven 1975-07-13

> > > > > > Sun 1978-07-13 Moon 1979-06-06 Mars 1980-12-05

> > > > > > Jup Jup 1981-12-24 Sat 1984-02-11 Merc 1986-08-24

> > > > > > Ket 1988-11-29 Ven 1989-11-05 Sun 1992-07-06

> > > > > > Moon 1993-04-24 Mars 1994-08-24 Rah 1995-07-31

> > > > > > Sat Sat 1997-12-23 Merc 2000-12-26 Ket 2003-09-05

> > > > > > Ven 2004-10-14 Sun 2007-12-15 Moon 2008-11-26

> > > > > > Mars 2010-06-27 Rah 2011-08-06 Jup 2014-06-12

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Rajesh,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When Sa aspects lords of Houes A or LoA and LoB or

House

> B

> > > > and

> > > > > > LoC or House C in Rasi, or LoA,LoB or LoC in Navamsa i.e.

> all

> > 3

> > > > > > houses or lords are affected then there is full delay

i.e.

> > last

> > > > > > sector in which the event will take place. Now here the

> delay

> > > > > > causing planet becomes Sa. Now if Sa is aspected by

Jupiter

> > > > then

> > > > > > delayed is moderated i.e. say if its in 3rd sector the

> delay

> > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > moderated in 2nd sector.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now here Ju is checking delay of Sa but we need to

check

> > the

> > > > > status

> > > > > > of Guru first. If Guru is in sign of Sa or nakshtra of Sa

> or

> > if

> > > > > its

> > > > > > in libra then it cant check delay of Sa as itself is in

the

> > > grasp

> > > > > of

> > > > > > Sa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now there is also a law which says that if the delay

> > causing

> > > > > planet

> > > > > > is LoD or LoE or that matter with our example here the

> delay

> > > > > causing

> > > > > > planet is Sa and if Sa's antra comes then it will give

the

> > > result

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the first sector.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope this helps,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Rajesh M. Kumaria " wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Manu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for your clarifications. Here's what I tried

> further

> > > > using

> > > > > > > Navamsha chakra, for the native mentioned earlier on.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Navamsa Ascendent(using Krushna Ayanamsha) : Gemini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Venus in Cancer in 2nd house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun in Leo in 3rd house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > mars and moon in libra in 5th house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ketu in scorpio in 6th house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturn® and Mercury in Aquarius in 9th house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter® in Aries in 11th house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rahu in Taurus in 12th house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With 11th house as House B, the Lords of A, B, C are

Mars

> > > > > (Scorpio),

> > > > > > > Mars(Aries) and

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun(Leo) while houses D and E Lords are Saturn

(Capricorn)

> > and

> > > > > > > Mercury(Virgo).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturn Aspects 3rd Lord Sun and Ketu in Scorpio. Ketu

> being

> > > in

> > > > > > > Scorpio wil act like Mars.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So Saturn does aspect lords of A and C here. ALso

Jupiter

> > > > aspects

> > > > > > > Sun and Mars & Moon. So Jupiter aspects lords of houses

B

> > and

> > > > > > > A..since Amrs is both lord of Aries(B) and scorpio(A).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So looks like Saturn's influence on Sun and Ketu are

> > > > encountered

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > jupiter's influence on Sun and Mars in Navamsha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So does that mean that Saturn is no longer effective in

> > > > Navamsha

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > rashi chakra shows strong jupiter's influence on Venus

> (lord

> > > of

> > > > D

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > rashi) and Hence Venus will be eager to give results in

> > first

> > > > > one -

> > > > > > > third of its period? If I am right, then can you please

> let

> > > me

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > how to proceed further as far as Sun's transits are

> > concerned

> > > > in

> > > > > > > order to get a better timing here?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here's the chart and other details, if needed, for the

> > > > > > > native.Actually I am the native myself here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RMK

> > > > > > >

> > > >

January 23, 2005

Dear Ash

Well this mail is just to give you some feedback. I have also atached

my summary spreadsheet below using latest excel worksheet v 5.5 .

Also I will really apreciate if you can throw any further light on my

chart. ALso recently you gave a detailed sequence of steps for

marriage case(in response to Bala Sosale's query)..So it would be of

great help to all, if we can get a detailed rules/sequence of steps

for job search similar to marriage case.

feedback: Well I did get two interviews and had long detailed

discussions with the job prospects which originated in Dec20-23,2004

and Jan 11-13, 2005 time frames as mentioned by you...so you were

right in timing issue... Let's put it this way, I was very close to

getting a job but did not actually get a job. WHat you do think

ofnear future?

Rajesh Kumaria

20thJuly 1961 9:50PM Lucknow, India(26N51, 86E55)

Thanks

Rajesh.

SARVASHTAKAVARGA CHART FOR NATAL

Name Aq Pi Ar Ta Ge Cn

Le Vi Li Sc Sg Cp

Sign # 11 12 1 2 3 4

5 6 7 8 9 10

House 1 2 3 4 5 6

7 8 9 10 11 12

Sun 6 4 4 6 5 2 4

5 3 4 6 2 3 48

Moon 9 2 4 6 3 3 4

4 4 4 4 6 5 49

Mars 7 2 3 5 2 2 2

4 3 4 6 5 1 39

Southern Chart

Mercury 5 4 6 3 6 5 4

6 4 2 7 4 3 54

Northern Chart

Jupiter 12 7 7 4 4 6 4

5 4 5 5 2 3 56

Venus 4 5 3 4 6 5 2

5 5 6 4 4 3 52

Saturn 12 3 4 4 6 3 3

2 0 3 4 4 3 39

Totals 27 31 32 32 26 23

31 23 28 36 27 21 337

HELP

1.2 1.0 1.2 1.2 0.8 1.2 1.2

SIGN VALUES

Ve Click on the green box to your left and

select a planet from the drop down list.

Bindus 4 4 4 5 3 6 3

House SAV Points

House

Hse SAV Pt Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa

L12 FK NK D E 3 6 10

11 Totals

1 27 14 14 12 13 22 20 6

Sa Me Ma Ma Mo 32 23 36

27 101

2 31 22 12 9 12 26 16 10

Sa Ve Ju Ju Su 32 31 27

21 107

3 32 22 19 15 21 14 7 15

Ju Ma Sa Sa Me 26 23 21

27 113

4 32 20 18 10 9 20 25 15

Ma Ju Sa Sa Ve 23 28 27

31 117

5 26 19 17 12 10 19 19 14

Ve Sa Ju Ju Ma 31 36 31

32 110

6 23 24 15 15 15 26 10 15

Me Sa Ma Ma Ju 23 27 32

32 120

7 31 21 19 12 11 14 28 20

Mo Ju Ve Ve Sa 28 21 32

26 125

8 23 22 20 9 20 16 17 12

Su Ma Me Me Sa 36 27 26

23 116

9 28 23 19 8 12 26 22 17

Me Ve Mo Mo Ju 27 31 23

31 127

10 36 27 16 16 18 18 11 16

Ve Me Su Su Ma 21 32 31

23 122

11 27 22 21 12 16 15 26 16

Ma Mo Me Me Ve 27 32 23

28 128

12 21 18 17 7 25 12 19 11

Ju Su Ve Ve Me 31 26 28

36 109

Planet totals 254 207 137 182 228 220

167