Need clarifications on Upachaya house concept

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

I am new to the Ashtakvarga method. What impressed me about this is

the precise methodology to analyse charts.

 

I read the lessons on the website: http://krushna.sageasita.com

 

Wa again impressed by the thoroughness of the documentation and the

tool (BTW the XLS for analysis is a stroke of genius). I must point

out though that the XLS shows The time zone for India (IST) as -5:30

it is actually +5:30. The XLS does however calculate everything

correctly (It probably check the longitude to determine the offset

from GMT)

 

Some clarifications are request on the following:

1. The H7 analysis generated by the XLS (For marriage etc) is

Planet Points Rank

Me 19 1

Ve 16 2

Su 15 3

Ma 12 4

Mo 6 5

Ju 1 6

Sa (2) 7

 

According to theory, since Moon has less than 12 points, it should

be ignored. But I got married during the Antardasha of Moon.

(Jupiter mahadasha)

 

2. Also tried the 5th house analysis for children etc.

The H5 analysis generated by the XLS is

Planet Points Rank

Ju 18 1

Ma 17 2

Ve 15 3

Me 10 4

Mo 9 5

Su 4 6

Sa 3 7

 

But my son was born during the antardasha of Rahu (Jupiter

Mahadasha).

 

3. As far as the lessons i've read, none of the methods indicate

Rahu/Ketu as the significator for anything (They contribute 0

benefic points so don't figure anywhere)

 

 

Any help will be much appreciated.

 

Regards,

Rupesh

[Guest guest]

Dear Rupesh,

Welcome to the group.

Without having your chart in front of me I cannot comment on your

marriage and timing of the same and also the correctness of your

birth time without having any events.

 

Yes as per the system if the marriage is happy then it will happen in

highest significator or LoD or LoE or planets in House D or E with

greater than 4 bindus.

It is also said in the marriage is unhappy then it will happen in

lowest poitns or low points in the WS or 6th lords antardasha.

 

W.r.t your point about Rahu and Ketu. Refer to lesson on

Samdharmis. Its given that they are samdharmis to the sign lord and

the nakshtra lord. So say if Rahu is at 14 degrees in Aries so Rahu

will be Samdharmi to Mars (sign lord) and Venus (Bharani, nakshatra

lord). Who it will act more like can be seen as per the points mars

and venus have in the SAV for 1st house. Rahu and Ketu in House D or

E are eager to give results in their antra.

 

Say for example if Rahu / ketu was placed in 10th house or 2nd house

then they would be eager to give results of 5th house as 10th house

would be House E and 2nd house would be House D.

 

All good questions.

 

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

, " rupeshkaslay "

<rupeshkaslay> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I am new to the Ashtakvarga method. What impressed me about this is

> the precise methodology to analyse charts.

>

> I read the lessons on the website: http://krushna.sageasita.com

>

> Wa again impressed by the thoroughness of the documentation and the

> tool (BTW the XLS for analysis is a stroke of genius). I must point

> out though that the XLS shows The time zone for India (IST) as -

5:30

> it is actually +5:30. The XLS does however calculate everything

> correctly (It probably check the longitude to determine the offset

> from GMT)

>

> Some clarifications are request on the following:

> 1. The H7 analysis generated by the XLS (For marriage etc) is

> Planet Points Rank

> Me 19 1

> Ve 16 2

> Su 15 3

> Ma 12 4

> Mo 6 5

> Ju 1 6

> Sa (2) 7

>

> According to theory, since Moon has less than 12 points, it should

> be ignored. But I got married during the Antardasha of Moon.

> (Jupiter mahadasha)

>

> 2. Also tried the 5th house analysis for children etc.

> The H5 analysis generated by the XLS is

> Planet Points Rank

> Ju 18 1

> Ma 17 2

> Ve 15 3

> Me 10 4

> Mo 9 5

> Su 4 6

> Sa 3 7

>

> But my son was born during the antardasha of Rahu (Jupiter

> Mahadasha).

>

> 3. As far as the lessons i've read, none of the methods indicate

> Rahu/Ketu as the significator for anything (They contribute 0

> benefic points so don't figure anywhere)

>

>

> Any help will be much appreciated.

>

> Regards,

> Rupesh

[Guest guest]

Dear Rupesh,Welcome to the group.Without having your chart in front of me I cannot comment on your marriage and timing of the same and also the correctness of your birth time without having any events.

Yes as per the system if the marriage is happy then it will happen in highest significator or LoD or LoE or planets in House D or E with greater than 4 bindus.It is also said in the marriage is unhappy then it will happen in lowest poitns or low points in the WS or 6th lords antardasha.

W.r.t your point about Rahu and Ketu. Refer to lesson on Samdharmis. Its given that they are samdharmis to the sign lord and the nakshtra lord. So say if Rahu is at 14 degrees in Aries so Rahu will be Samdharmi to Mars (sign lord) and Venus (Bharani, nakshatra lord). Who it will act more like can be seen as per the points mars and venus have in the SAV for 1st house. Rahu and Ketu in House D or E are eager to give results in their antra.

Say for example if Rahu / ketu was placed in 10th house or 2nd house then they would be eager to give results of 5th house as 10th house would be House E and 2nd house would be House D.

All good questions.

Thanks,Cheers !!!Ashrupeshkaslay <rupeshkaslay wrote:

Hi,I am new to the Ashtakvarga method. What impressed me about this is the precise methodology to analyse charts.I read the lessons on the website: http://krushna.sageasita.comWa again impressed by the thoroughness of the documentation and the tool (BTW the XLS for analysis is a stroke of genius). I must point out though that the XLS shows The time zone for India (IST) as -5:30 it is actually +5:30. The XLS does however calculate everything correctly (It probably check the longitude to determine the offset from GMT)Some clarifications are request on the following:1. The H7 analysis generated by the XLS (For marriage etc) isPlanet Points RankMe 19 1 Ve 16 2 Su 15 3 Ma 12 4 Mo 6 5 Ju 1 6 Sa (2) 7 According to theory, since Moon has less than 12 points, it should be ignored.

But I got married during the Antardasha of Moon. (Jupiter mahadasha)2. Also tried the 5th house analysis for children etc.The H5 analysis generated by the XLS is Planet Points RankJu 18 1 Ma 17 2 Ve 15 3 Me 10 4 Mo 9 5 Su 4 6 Sa 3 7 But my son was born during the antardasha of Rahu (Jupiter Mahadasha).3. As far as the lessons i've read, none of the methods indicate Rahu/Ketu as the significator for anything (They contribute 0 benefic points so don't figure anywhere)Any help will be much appreciated.Regards,Rupesh

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

I think that we should have a rule that indicates the time of

marriage independently of whether the marriage is happy. Happiness

in marriage will be known after a few years of marriage, but the

astrologer will be approached to indicate time of marriage before

the event takes place. (BTW, i've been married for over 5 years.

Happiness in my marriage is as per my expectations, so i wouldn't go

so far as to use the indicators with lower points). If I had

approached an Ashtakvarga astrologer before my marriage, I would not

have been happy with an answer like:

 

If you marriage is happy

predicted date=x

otherwise

predicted date=y

 

 

My TOB: 10:45 AM 6th Jan 75

Place Thane(MH) 72E58 and 19N12

[events to fix birth time if required]

first travelled abroad: April 1997

Returned: May 1998

last travelled abroad: Dec 2000 to Oct 2002

Education: Engineer

One younger sibling: Sister

 

The Analysis for H5 is

Planet Points Rank

Ju 18 1

Ma 17 2

Ve 15 3

Me 10 4

Mo 9 5

Su 4 6

Sa 3 7

Since JU and MA aspect houses A/B/C the likely cadidate should be

VE. I would have guessed antardaasha of Venus for child birth.

 

About Rahu, you are right. Rahu is in 10th. But we need to know why

to consider Rahu as the indicator over VE (in this case) which has a

healthy 15 points. In general when would Rahu/Ketu become the

significator over planets with over 12 points and not aspecting the

A/B/C houses?

 

I admit I have not yet read all the lessons and I may be missing

something here, but a detailed clarification would help (please,

please, please somebody clarify and update the lessons). I've tried

traditional vedic, KP, Systems Approach and have not yet been

satisfied.

 

Ashtakvarga seems promising because of its mathematical and logical

steps. [being an engineer, I have a natural inclination to these

qualities :0)].

 

Regards,

Rupesh

 

, Ash <ashsam73>

wrote:

> Dear Rupesh,

> Welcome to the group.

> Without having your chart in front of me I cannot comment on your

marriage and timing of the same and also the correctness of your

birth time without having any events.

> Yes as per the system if the marriage is happy then it will happen

in highest significator or LoD or LoE or planets in House D or E

with greater than 4 bindus.

> It is also said in the marriage is unhappy then it will happen in

lowest poitns or low points in the WS or 6th lords antardasha.

> W.r.t your point about Rahu and Ketu. Refer to lesson on

Samdharmis. Its given that they are samdharmis to the sign lord and

the nakshtra lord. So say if Rahu is at 14 degrees in Aries so Rahu

will be Samdharmi to Mars (sign lord) and Venus (Bharani, nakshatra

lord). Who it will act more like can be seen as per the points mars

and venus have in the SAV for 1st house. Rahu and Ketu in House D

or E are eager to give results in their antra.

> Say for example if Rahu / ketu was placed in 10th house or 2nd

house then they would be eager to give results of 5th house as 10th

house would be House E and 2nd house would be House D.

> All good questions.

> Thanks,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rupesh,

This is the beauty of this system. If the birth time is accurate

then your life will unfold as per the worksheet and vimshottari dasha.

 

Yes, I think these questions are coming up which I must say are very

logical (being an Engineer myself), and so is Krushnaji.

 

One simple thing, without seeing your chart I said a law about Rahu

and Ketu in House D or E and you said, yes Rahu is in 10th house.

Don't you find it interesting to say in the least.

 

The points in the WS gives us the power of planets. There are not if

then else buts. Its clear and concise. Its based on so many

things. Once you go through the lesson slowly and spend time on it

with concentration you will see so many things.

 

Just take the BAV i.e. Lesson one and just look at the BAV chart or

points distribution and u will begin to observe so many things.

 

In any case I noticed what u were doing in your analysis.

 

U casted the chart in the KAS worksheet, looked at your marriage date

and saw the points that it happened in Moon antra, its less points so

bang.. u came to a conclusion that something is not right.

 

Now carefully read the last 3 lessons I beleive. You have a very

fortunate chart. Moon and Sun (its given in lessons) are luminiaires

and do not take the role of 6th lord. 12th from B yes but not as 6th

lord. So For aquarius lagna and Pisces lagna the 6th lord is moon

and sun.

 

Now second thing, your Moon is in 9th house with 5 bindus and its in

making 5:9 or nav pancham with lagna lord. This is very very

significatant point in your chart. You have the blessing of your

father / Guru.

 

You have Guru in lagna with 7 bindus and agian its making 5:9 with

Moon and Saturn.

 

So your marriage will be due to the blessings. You have shani in the

5th house so there is full delay and also guru in lagna with 7 bindus

aspecting 7th house and itself is the lord of 2nd house so again more

delay however its due to the blessing of your guru/father you married

earlier.

 

After the antra of moon it was sun, mars and rahu who is SD to Sa and

Ma. Mars has 5 bindus in 10th house and Sa has 4. So Ra will act

more like Mars. See the power in the WS for these planets.

 

Rahu gave u child. We should see the conception time and not the

actual birth.

 

All these thing are given in lessons.

 

Have you seen how many sectors of lagna/sun/moon are falling in that

of Shani. Its given in the lesson to find occupation. This shows

your intellegence.

 

Ok, I am out of time.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

, " rupeshkaslay "

<rupeshkaslay> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I think that we should have a rule that indicates the time of

> marriage independently of whether the marriage is happy. Happiness

> in marriage will be known after a few years of marriage, but the

> astrologer will be approached to indicate time of marriage before

> the event takes place. (BTW, i've been married for over 5 years.

> Happiness in my marriage is as per my expectations, so i wouldn't

go

> so far as to use the indicators with lower points). If I had

> approached an Ashtakvarga astrologer before my marriage, I would

not

> have been happy with an answer like:

>

> If you marriage is happy

> predicted date=x

> otherwise

> predicted date=y

>

>

> My TOB: 10:45 AM 6th Jan 75

> Place Thane(MH) 72E58 and 19N12

> [events to fix birth time if required]

> first travelled abroad: April 1997

> Returned: May 1998

> last travelled abroad: Dec 2000 to Oct 2002

> Education: Engineer

> One younger sibling: Sister

>

> The Analysis for H5 is

> Planet Points Rank

> Ju 18 1

> Ma 17 2

> Ve 15 3

> Me 10 4

> Mo 9 5

> Su 4 6

> Sa 3 7

> Since JU and MA aspect houses A/B/C the likely cadidate should be

> VE. I would have guessed antardaasha of Venus for child birth.

>

> About Rahu, you are right. Rahu is in 10th. But we need to know why

> to consider Rahu as the indicator over VE (in this case) which has

a

> healthy 15 points. In general when would Rahu/Ketu become the

> significator over planets with over 12 points and not aspecting the

> A/B/C houses?

>

> I admit I have not yet read all the lessons and I may be missing

> something here, but a detailed clarification would help (please,

> please, please somebody clarify and update the lessons). I've tried

> traditional vedic, KP, Systems Approach and have not yet been

> satisfied.

>

> Ashtakvarga seems promising because of its mathematical and logical

> steps. [being an engineer, I have a natural inclination to these

> qualities :0)].

>

> Regards,

> Rupesh

>

> , Ash

<ashsam73>

> wrote:

> > Dear Rupesh,

> > Welcome to the group.

> > Without having your chart in front of me I cannot comment on your

> marriage and timing of the same and also the correctness of your

> birth time without having any events.

> > Yes as per the system if the marriage is happy then it will

happen

> in highest significator or LoD or LoE or planets in House D or E

> with greater than 4 bindus.

> > It is also said in the marriage is unhappy then it will happen in

> lowest poitns or low points in the WS or 6th lords antardasha.

> > W.r.t your point about Rahu and Ketu. Refer to lesson on

> Samdharmis. Its given that they are samdharmis to the sign lord

and

> the nakshtra lord. So say if Rahu is at 14 degrees in Aries so

Rahu

> will be Samdharmi to Mars (sign lord) and Venus (Bharani, nakshatra

> lord). Who it will act more like can be seen as per the points

mars

> and venus have in the SAV for 1st house. Rahu and Ketu in House D

> or E are eager to give results in their antra.

> > Say for example if Rahu / ketu was placed in 10th house or 2nd

> house then they would be eager to give results of 5th house as 10th

> house would be House E and 2nd house would be House D.

> > All good questions.

> > Thanks,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Rupesh,

Also check your 3:6:10:11 house points. Refer to lesson on

occupation.

Very interesting.

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73> wrote:

>

> Dear Rupesh,

> This is the beauty of this system. If the birth time is accurate

> then your life will unfold as per the worksheet and vimshottari

dasha.

>

> Yes, I think these questions are coming up which I must say are

very

> logical (being an Engineer myself), and so is Krushnaji.

>

> One simple thing, without seeing your chart I said a law about Rahu

> and Ketu in House D or E and you said, yes Rahu is in 10th house.

> Don't you find it interesting to say in the least.

>

> The points in the WS gives us the power of planets. There are not

if

> then else buts. Its clear and concise. Its based on so many

> things. Once you go through the lesson slowly and spend time on it

> with concentration you will see so many things.

>

> Just take the BAV i.e. Lesson one and just look at the BAV chart or

> points distribution and u will begin to observe so many things.

>

> In any case I noticed what u were doing in your analysis.

>

> U casted the chart in the KAS worksheet, looked at your marriage

date

> and saw the points that it happened in Moon antra, its less points

so

> bang.. u came to a conclusion that something is not right.

>

> Now carefully read the last 3 lessons I beleive. You have a very

> fortunate chart. Moon and Sun (its given in lessons) are

luminiaires

> and do not take the role of 6th lord. 12th from B yes but not as

6th

> lord. So For aquarius lagna and Pisces lagna the 6th lord is moon

> and sun.

>

> Now second thing, your Moon is in 9th house with 5 bindus and its

in

> making 5:9 or nav pancham with lagna lord. This is very very

> significatant point in your chart. You have the blessing of your

> father / Guru.

>

> You have Guru in lagna with 7 bindus and agian its making 5:9 with

> Moon and Saturn.

>

> So your marriage will be due to the blessings. You have shani in

the

> 5th house so there is full delay and also guru in lagna with 7

bindus

> aspecting 7th house and itself is the lord of 2nd house so again

more

> delay however its due to the blessing of your guru/father you

married

> earlier.

>

> After the antra of moon it was sun, mars and rahu who is SD to Sa

and

> Ma. Mars has 5 bindus in 10th house and Sa has 4. So Ra will act

> more like Mars. See the power in the WS for these planets.

>

> Rahu gave u child. We should see the conception time and not the

> actual birth.

>

> All these thing are given in lessons.

>

> Have you seen how many sectors of lagna/sun/moon are falling in

that

> of Shani. Its given in the lesson to find occupation. This shows

> your intellegence.

>

> Ok, I am out of time.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

>

> , " rupeshkaslay "

> <rupeshkaslay> wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I think that we should have a rule that indicates the time of

> > marriage independently of whether the marriage is happy.

Happiness

> > in marriage will be known after a few years of marriage, but the

> > astrologer will be approached to indicate time of marriage before

> > the event takes place. (BTW, i've been married for over 5 years.

> > Happiness in my marriage is as per my expectations, so i wouldn't

> go

> > so far as to use the indicators with lower points). If I had

> > approached an Ashtakvarga astrologer before my marriage, I would

> not

> > have been happy with an answer like:

> >

> > If you marriage is happy

> > predicted date=x

> > otherwise

> > predicted date=y

> >

> >

> > My TOB: 10:45 AM 6th Jan 75

> > Place Thane(MH) 72E58 and 19N12

> > [events to fix birth time if required]

> > first travelled abroad: April 1997

> > Returned: May 1998

> > last travelled abroad: Dec 2000 to Oct 2002

> > Education: Engineer

> > One younger sibling: Sister

> >

> > The Analysis for H5 is

> > Planet Points Rank

> > Ju 18 1

> > Ma 17 2

> > Ve 15 3

> > Me 10 4

> > Mo 9 5

> > Su 4 6

> > Sa 3 7

> > Since JU and MA aspect houses A/B/C the likely cadidate should be

> > VE. I would have guessed antardaasha of Venus for child birth.

> >

> > About Rahu, you are right. Rahu is in 10th. But we need to know

why

> > to consider Rahu as the indicator over VE (in this case) which

has

> a

> > healthy 15 points. In general when would Rahu/Ketu become the

> > significator over planets with over 12 points and not aspecting

the

> > A/B/C houses?

> >

> > I admit I have not yet read all the lessons and I may be missing

> > something here, but a detailed clarification would help (please,

> > please, please somebody clarify and update the lessons). I've

tried

> > traditional vedic, KP, Systems Approach and have not yet been

> > satisfied.

> >

> > Ashtakvarga seems promising because of its mathematical and

logical

> > steps. [being an engineer, I have a natural inclination to these

> > qualities :0)].

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rupesh

> >

> > , Ash

> <ashsam73>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Rupesh,

> > > Welcome to the group.

> > > Without having your chart in front of me I cannot comment on

your

> > marriage and timing of the same and also the correctness of your

> > birth time without having any events.

> > > Yes as per the system if the marriage is happy then it will

> happen

> > in highest significator or LoD or LoE or planets in House D or E

> > with greater than 4 bindus.

> > > It is also said in the marriage is unhappy then it will happen

in

> > lowest poitns or low points in the WS or 6th lords antardasha.

> > > W.r.t your point about Rahu and Ketu. Refer to lesson on

> > Samdharmis. Its given that they are samdharmis to the sign lord

> and

> > the nakshtra lord. So say if Rahu is at 14 degrees in Aries so

> Rahu

> > will be Samdharmi to Mars (sign lord) and Venus (Bharani,

nakshatra

> > lord). Who it will act more like can be seen as per the points

> mars

> > and venus have in the SAV for 1st house. Rahu and Ketu in House

D

> > or E are eager to give results in their antra.

> > > Say for example if Rahu / ketu was placed in 10th house or 2nd

> > house then they would be eager to give results of 5th house as

10th

> > house would be House E and 2nd house would be House D.

> > > All good questions.

> > > Thanks,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

[Guest guest]

OK Ash,

 

Will go through the lessons thoroughly and revisit this later.

 

What did you mean when u said:

" You have shani in the 5th house so there is full delay and also

guru in lagna with 7 bindus aspecting 7th house and itself is the

lord of 2nd house so again more delay however its due to the

blessing of your guru/father you married earlier. "

 

 

Does it mean that the planets actually indicated a later date and I

somehow got married earlier? An astrologer who wrote my kundali at

age 1 wrote I would get married at age 24 which matches the facts.

 

Regards,

Rupesh

 

 

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73> wrote:

>

> Dear Rupesh,

> Also check your 3:6:10:11 house points. Refer to lesson on

> occupation.

> Very interesting.

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rupesh,

> > This is the beauty of this system. If the birth time is

accurate

> > then your life will unfold as per the worksheet and vimshottari

> dasha.

> >

> > Yes, I think these questions are coming up which I must say are

> very

> > logical (being an Engineer myself), and so is Krushnaji.

> >

> > One simple thing, without seeing your chart I said a law about

Rahu

> > and Ketu in House D or E and you said, yes Rahu is in 10th

house.

> > Don't you find it interesting to say in the least.

> >

> > The points in the WS gives us the power of planets. There are

not

> if

> > then else buts. Its clear and concise. Its based on so many

> > things. Once you go through the lesson slowly and spend time on

it

> > with concentration you will see so many things.

> >

> > Just take the BAV i.e. Lesson one and just look at the BAV chart

or

> > points distribution and u will begin to observe so many things.

> >

> > In any case I noticed what u were doing in your analysis.

> >

> > U casted the chart in the KAS worksheet, looked at your marriage

> date

> > and saw the points that it happened in Moon antra, its less

points

> so

> > bang.. u came to a conclusion that something is not right.

> >

> > Now carefully read the last 3 lessons I beleive. You have a

very

> > fortunate chart. Moon and Sun (its given in lessons) are

> luminiaires

> > and do not take the role of 6th lord. 12th from B yes but not

as

> 6th

> > lord. So For aquarius lagna and Pisces lagna the 6th lord is

moon

> > and sun.

> >

> > Now second thing, your Moon is in 9th house with 5 bindus and

its

> in

> > making 5:9 or nav pancham with lagna lord. This is very very

> > significatant point in your chart. You have the blessing of

your

> > father / Guru.

> >

> > You have Guru in lagna with 7 bindus and agian its making 5:9

with

> > Moon and Saturn.

> >

> > So your marriage will be due to the blessings. You have shani

in

> the

> > 5th house so there is full delay and also guru in lagna with 7

> bindus

> > aspecting 7th house and itself is the lord of 2nd house so again

> more

> > delay however its due to the blessing of your guru/father you

> married

> > earlier.

> >

> > After the antra of moon it was sun, mars and rahu who is SD to

Sa

> and

> > Ma. Mars has 5 bindus in 10th house and Sa has 4. So Ra will

act

> > more like Mars. See the power in the WS for these planets.

> >

> > Rahu gave u child. We should see the conception time and not

the

> > actual birth.

> >

> > All these thing are given in lessons.

> >

> > Have you seen how many sectors of lagna/sun/moon are falling in

> that

> > of Shani. Its given in the lesson to find occupation. This

shows

> > your intellegence.

> >

> > Ok, I am out of time.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> >

> > , " rupeshkaslay "

> > <rupeshkaslay> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I think that we should have a rule that indicates the time of

> > > marriage independently of whether the marriage is happy.

> Happiness

> > > in marriage will be known after a few years of marriage, but

the

> > > astrologer will be approached to indicate time of marriage

before

> > > the event takes place. (BTW, i've been married for over 5

years.

> > > Happiness in my marriage is as per my expectations, so i

wouldn't

> > go

> > > so far as to use the indicators with lower points). If I had

> > > approached an Ashtakvarga astrologer before my marriage, I

would

> > not

> > > have been happy with an answer like:

> > >

> > > If you marriage is happy

> > > predicted date=x

> > > otherwise

> > > predicted date=y

> > >

> > >

> > > My TOB: 10:45 AM 6th Jan 75

> > > Place Thane(MH) 72E58 and 19N12

> > > [events to fix birth time if required]

> > > first travelled abroad: April 1997

> > > Returned: May 1998

> > > last travelled abroad: Dec 2000 to Oct 2002

> > > Education: Engineer

> > > One younger sibling: Sister

> > >

> > > The Analysis for H5 is

> > > Planet Points Rank

> > > Ju 18 1

> > > Ma 17 2

> > > Ve 15 3

> > > Me 10 4

> > > Mo 9 5

> > > Su 4 6

> > > Sa 3 7

> > > Since JU and MA aspect houses A/B/C the likely cadidate should

be

> > > VE. I would have guessed antardaasha of Venus for child birth.

> > >

> > > About Rahu, you are right. Rahu is in 10th. But we need to

know

> why

> > > to consider Rahu as the indicator over VE (in this case) which

> has

> > a

> > > healthy 15 points. In general when would Rahu/Ketu become the

> > > significator over planets with over 12 points and not

aspecting

> the

> > > A/B/C houses?

> > >

> > > I admit I have not yet read all the lessons and I may be

missing

> > > something here, but a detailed clarification would help

(please,

> > > please, please somebody clarify and update the lessons). I've

> tried

> > > traditional vedic, KP, Systems Approach and have not yet been

> > > satisfied.

> > >

> > > Ashtakvarga seems promising because of its mathematical and

> logical

> > > steps. [being an engineer, I have a natural inclination to

these

> > > qualities :0)].

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rupesh

> > >

> > > , Ash

> > <ashsam73>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Rupesh,

> > > > Welcome to the group.

> > > > Without having your chart in front of me I cannot comment on

> your

> > > marriage and timing of the same and also the correctness of

your

> > > birth time without having any events.

> > > > Yes as per the system if the marriage is happy then it will

> > happen

> > > in highest significator or LoD or LoE or planets in House D or

E

> > > with greater than 4 bindus.

> > > > It is also said in the marriage is unhappy then it will

happen

> in

> > > lowest poitns or low points in the WS or 6th lords antardasha.

> > > > W.r.t your point about Rahu and Ketu. Refer to lesson on

> > > Samdharmis. Its given that they are samdharmis to the sign

lord

> > and

> > > the nakshtra lord. So say if Rahu is at 14 degrees in Aries

so

> > Rahu

> > > will be Samdharmi to Mars (sign lord) and Venus (Bharani,

> nakshatra

> > > lord). Who it will act more like can be seen as per the

points

> > mars

> > > and venus have in the SAV for 1st house. Rahu and Ketu in

House

> D

> > > or E are eager to give results in their antra.

> > > > Say for example if Rahu / ketu was placed in 10th house or

2nd

> > > house then they would be eager to give results of 5th house as

> 10th

> > > house would be House E and 2nd house would be House D.

> > > > All good questions.

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Rupesh,

 

Yes. You would have gotten married later but u have the blessing of your father and Guru. This is a very big thing. Please comment on your marriage then ? Was your father/guru/elders responsible for your marriage and its with their blessings that you married is this true or false.... ?

 

Some member in the past had given a mail on this list and a sort of a challenge and asked to time his marriage date and said if someone can point the correct date he will accept this system and learn it. I had personally timed it and said that he might not marry but in his chart there was a very powerful blessing of his guru/father. He came back to the list and said that he had recently married and he had not intentions and his marriage was only due to his Guru.

 

All that was done blindly and using KAS only.

 

The astrologer who made your birth chart is very wise and astute and he must have also said something similar about your chart. He gave correct time, has he given the reason ?

 

Also go through the archives, so many charts are solved with explanations.

 

There have been cases where someone was very adament that his birth time was right. Krushnaji had asked that gentleman to post the chart to the list. Krushnaji said that with that birth time no events matched. He gave a prediction that after so many months u will have a conception of a child. When that event took place with the rectified time the native came back and acknolwedged it.

 

The worksheet is the final step to time events before the the chart has to be studied.

 

 

Ok, I am out of time ....

 

Cheers !!!

Ashrupeshkaslay <rupeshkaslay wrote:

OK Ash,Will go through the lessons thoroughly and revisit this later.What did you mean when u said:"You have shani in the 5th house so there is full delay and also guru in lagna with 7 bindus aspecting 7th house and itself is the lord of 2nd house so again more delay however its due to the blessing of your guru/father you married earlier."Does it mean that the planets actually indicated a later date and I somehow got married earlier? An astrologer who wrote my kundali at age 1 wrote I would get married at age 24 which matches the facts.Regards,Rupesh , "ashsam73" wrote:> > Dear Rupesh,> Also check your 3:6:10:11 house points. Refer to lesson on > occupation. > Very interesting.> Cheers !!!>

Ash> > , "ashsam73" > wrote:> > > > Dear Rupesh,> > This is the beauty of this system. If the birth time is accurate > > then your life will unfold as per the worksheet and vimshottari > dasha.> > > > Yes, I think these questions are coming up which I must say are > very > > logical (being an Engineer myself), and so is Krushnaji.> > > > One simple thing, without seeing your chart I said a law about Rahu > > and Ketu in House D or E and you said, yes Rahu is in 10th house. > > Don't you find it interesting to say in the least.> > > > The points in the WS gives us the power of planets. There are not > if > > then else buts. Its clear and concise. Its based on so many > > things. Once you go through the lesson slowly

and spend time on it > > with concentration you will see so many things.> > > > Just take the BAV i.e. Lesson one and just look at the BAV chart or > > points distribution and u will begin to observe so many things.> > > > In any case I noticed what u were doing in your analysis.> > > > U casted the chart in the KAS worksheet, looked at your marriage > date > > and saw the points that it happened in Moon antra, its less points > so > > bang.. u came to a conclusion that something is not right.> > > > Now carefully read the last 3 lessons I beleive. You have a very > > fortunate chart. Moon and Sun (its given in lessons) are > luminiaires > > and do not take the role of 6th lord. 12th from B yes but not as > 6th > > lord. So For aquarius lagna and Pisces lagna the 6th lord is moon

> > and sun. > > > > Now second thing, your Moon is in 9th house with 5 bindus and its > in > > making 5:9 or nav pancham with lagna lord. This is very very > > significatant point in your chart. You have the blessing of your > > father / Guru. > > > > You have Guru in lagna with 7 bindus and agian its making 5:9 with > > Moon and Saturn. > > > > So your marriage will be due to the blessings. You have shani in > the > > 5th house so there is full delay and also guru in lagna with 7 > bindus > > aspecting 7th house and itself is the lord of 2nd house so again > more > > delay however its due to the blessing of your guru/father you > married > > earlier.> > > > After the antra of moon it was sun, mars and rahu who is SD to Sa > and > > Ma. Mars

has 5 bindus in 10th house and Sa has 4. So Ra will act > > more like Mars. See the power in the WS for these planets.> > > > Rahu gave u child. We should see the conception time and not the > > actual birth. > > > > All these thing are given in lessons. > > > > Have you seen how many sectors of lagna/sun/moon are falling in > that > > of Shani. Its given in the lesson to find occupation. This shows > > your intellegence.> > > > Ok, I am out of time.> > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash> > > > > > > > , "rupeshkaslay" > > wrote:> > > > > > Hi,> > > > > > I think that we should have a rule that indicates the time of > > > marriage independently of

whether the marriage is happy. > Happiness > > > in marriage will be known after a few years of marriage, but the > > > astrologer will be approached to indicate time of marriage before > > > the event takes place. (BTW, i've been married for over 5 years. > > > Happiness in my marriage is as per my expectations, so i wouldn't > > go > > > so far as to use the indicators with lower points). If I had > > > approached an Ashtakvarga astrologer before my marriage, I would > > not > > > have been happy with an answer like:> > > > > > If you marriage is happy> > > predicted date=x> > > otherwise> > > predicted date=y> > > > > > > > > My TOB: 10:45 AM 6th Jan 75> > > Place Thane(MH) 72E58 and 19N12> > > [events to fix birth

time if required]> > > first travelled abroad: April 1997> > > Returned: May 1998> > > last travelled abroad: Dec 2000 to Oct 2002> > > Education: Engineer> > > One younger sibling: Sister> > > > > > The Analysis for H5 is> > > Planet Points Rank> > > Ju 18 1 > > > Ma 17 2 > > > Ve 15 3 > > > Me 10 4 > > > Mo 9 5 > > > Su 4 6 > > > Sa 3 7 > > > Since JU and MA aspect houses A/B/C the likely cadidate should be > > > VE. I would have guessed antardaasha of Venus for child birth.> > > > > > About Rahu, you are right. Rahu is in 10th. But we need to know > why > > > to consider Rahu as the indicator over VE (in this case) which > has > > a > > > healthy 15 points. In general when would

Rahu/Ketu become the > > > significator over planets with over 12 points and not aspecting > the > > > A/B/C houses?> > > > > > I admit I have not yet read all the lessons and I may be missing > > > something here, but a detailed clarification would help (please, > > > please, please somebody clarify and update the lessons). I've > tried > > > traditional vedic, KP, Systems Approach and have not yet been > > > satisfied.> > > > > > Ashtakvarga seems promising because of its mathematical and > logical > > > steps. [being an engineer, I have a natural inclination to these > > > qualities :0)]. > > > > > > Regards,> > > Rupesh> > > > > > , Ash > > > >

> wrote:> > > > Dear Rupesh,> > > > Welcome to the group.> > > > Without having your chart in front of me I cannot comment on > your > > > marriage and timing of the same and also the correctness of your > > > birth time without having any events. > > > > Yes as per the system if the marriage is happy then it will > > happen > > > in highest significator or LoD or LoE or planets in House D or E > > > with greater than 4 bindus.> > > > It is also said in the marriage is unhappy then it will happen > in > > > lowest poitns or low points in the WS or 6th lords antardasha.> > > > W.r.t your point about Rahu and Ketu. Refer to lesson on > > > Samdharmis. Its given that they are samdharmis to the sign lord > > and > > > the nakshtra lord. So say if Rahu

is at 14 degrees in Aries so > > Rahu > > > will be Samdharmi to Mars (sign lord) and Venus (Bharani, > nakshatra > > > lord). Who it will act more like can be seen as per the points > > mars > > > and venus have in the SAV for 1st house. Rahu and Ketu in House > D > > > or E are eager to give results in their antra.> > > > Say for example if Rahu / ketu was placed in 10th house or 2nd > > > house then they would be eager to give results of 5th house as > 10th > > > house would be House E and 2nd house would be House D.> > > > All good questions.> > > > Thanks,> > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Ash,

 

Mine was a love marriage, so I can claim credit for my own

marriage ;-))

 

Like all Indian fathers he blessed my wedding, but was

not 'responsible' for it.

 

DOn't get me wrong on this, I'm not agruing against anything you've

said. Just that I am having difficulty understanding their logic.

 

I am a member of three other astrology groups. Everyone is an expert

in anaysing charts of famous people and explaining what contributed

to their success / failure. But few people can accurately predict

things that have not happened. And no two people in the group ever

agree on predictions even if they use the same system

 

The Ashtakvarga system seems more mathematical and logical, so looks

like it holds more promise than others.

 

Regards,

Rupesh

 

, Ash <ashsam73>

wrote:

> Dear Rupesh,

>

> Yes. You would have gotten married later but u have the blessing

of your father and Guru. This is a very big thing. Please comment

on your marriage then ? Was your father/guru/elders responsible for

your marriage and its with their blessings that you married is this

true or false.... ?

>

> Some member in the past had given a mail on this list and a sort

of a challenge and asked to time his marriage date and said if

someone can point the correct date he will accept this system and

learn it. I had personally timed it and said that he might not

marry but in his chart there was a very powerful blessing of his

guru/father. He came back to the list and said that he had recently

married and he had not intentions and his marriage was only due to

his Guru.

>

> All that was done blindly and using KAS only.

>

> The astrologer who made your birth chart is very wise and astute

and he must have also said something similar about your chart. He

gave correct time, has he given the reason ?

>

> Also go through the archives, so many charts are solved with

explanations.

>

> There have been cases where someone was very adament that his

birth time was right. Krushnaji had asked that gentleman to post

the chart to the list. Krushnaji said that with that birth time no

events matched. He gave a prediction that after so many months u

will have a conception of a child. When that event took place with

the rectified time the native came back and acknolwedged it.

>

> The worksheet is the final step to time events before the the

chart has to be studied.

>

>

> Ok, I am out of time ....

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>